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Speaker 1: I guess I grew up. Hey, everybody, welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of The Hunting Collective in a brand new year.

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Speaker 1: We made it to one, and we also made it

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Speaker 1: an episode one hundred and sixty. I'm feeling pretty good,

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Speaker 1: Phil the Engineer, How are you feeling, buddy? I feel great.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's there's a sunlight streaming through a window

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Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna keep a lot of old things

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Speaker 1: are you do you want to talk about how you're feeling?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to just skip over that? If anyone

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Speaker 1: But there's so much that we can talk about, so

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Speaker 1: Bring them in and show them how this thing enriches

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Speaker 1: be doing? I think a lot of it In terms

430
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Speaker 1: of this learning to hunt is what are you What

431
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: are you comfortable with? Like we talked about the beginning

432
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: of this, what are you comfortable with? Are you comfortable

433
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Speaker 1: with a single tag and the pressure that comes with

434
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Speaker 1: you know, the kind of the singular opportunity to kill

435
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: an elk? I mean you only have to say you

436
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: only have one tag for this for the season, um?

437
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: Or do you want to get more time behind a

438
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: rifle shotgun in the in the squirrel woods or chasing rabbits? Um?

439
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: That I'll give you a better understanding of killing an

440
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: animal taking the meat. It's it's more fun, Certainly, the

441
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: opportunities are more plentiful. So if you're looking for that, man,

442
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: if you're looking to just get outside and experience what

443
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: it's like to be out there and be be killing animals,

444
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: um and taking their meat and eating it, certainly I

445
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: would say, um, that's the exploration for you. But if

446
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: you're okay with you know the big game hunt, which

447
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: is exactly that. It's big man, It's it's every time

448
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: you pull the rifle up, it's it's a singular opportunity

449
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: to fill your You're probably your one tag, I would

450
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,239
Speaker 1: think in that case. So that's a decision you have

451
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: to make. Certainly less pressure on a scorrel hunt. So

452
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: if you're looking for more of a less pressure filled situation,

453
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: I'd go there. But it depends on your mindset. Feel

454
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: do you feel like turkey hunting is any pre any

455
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: pressure about, you know, having a single turkey tag? Would

456
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: you rather what we talked about ducks before, we talked

457
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: about rabbits, We talked about all kinds of stuff in

458
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: the past. Any any opinion there are you're just waiting

459
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: for me to shut up so you can go out

460
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: and uh no, no, definitely not not the ladder at

461
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: least not too much. Um I I just it's just

462
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: it's tough until I actually like, like, just from standing

463
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: from a distance and looking in, I'd say that, like

464
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, it looks like a lot of fun. I

465
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: think duck hunting looks like a lot of fun. Um.

466
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: The more stories I hear about big game hunting. I

467
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: feel like I would like to work up to it,

468
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: and it's something that honestly from the outset doesn't like

469
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: appeal to me. Maybe it will down the road, but

470
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: like you know, obviously I'll try it, but just start

471
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: starting out. I think I think Turkey, turkey and duck hunting,

472
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: like just just look fun. It looks like a like

473
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: a low stress good time if you want it to

474
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: be um so good. Yeah I can't. Oh, man, I

475
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: hope you love turkey. You still have my Colonel Tom Kelly.

476
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: It's still Hill on my nightstand. Ben, Okay, I'm not

477
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: asking you for the reason that I was putting together

478
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: the new th HD studio at my house and I

479
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: was like, it wasn't here, and I've got it. I've panicked.

480
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: I panicked. So get get your reading the tenth Legion

481
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 1: if you haven't already cracked it open, crack it open um.

482
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: And I can't tell you, man, how this is. I mean,

483
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: I have sons and I will take them hunting for

484
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: the first time sometime soon. But until that time comes, Phil,

485
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: you are I am your father. I'm your I'm your

486
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: big thirty year old boy. Yeah, I am your father.

487
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: If you know what I mean, this little Star Wars reference.

488
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: You're feeling it, you're feeling it all right, Well, we'll

489
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,719
Speaker 1: appreciate you listen listening to this, and again when you

490
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: hear the story from Armando, my good from Armando coming up.

491
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: There are ways to prevent this tragedy that we're gonna

492
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: hear here about, and there are ways to learn from it.

493
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: It's it's I waded in my own mind. Is this

494
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: something worthy of a podcast? Somebody died? Yeah, it was

495
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 1: disrespectful to the person and their family who we do

496
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: not know. On somebody I've ever met, or or and

497
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: I don't know them. But again, if if this person's

498
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: death can mean anything to us, and all the people

499
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: that have have perished in hunting accidents can can mean

500
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: anything to us, it's to help us learn and to

501
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: be aware of what's happening, what's happening with other people,

502
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: what's happening with ourselves. I really do think awareness and

503
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: understanding that these gun safety rules, these n RAY gun

504
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: safety rules are not you know, they're not only when

505
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: you're new, they're every single day you go a field

506
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: of the firearm. So hopefully that this is something everyone

507
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: can take from this. We're gonna have a lot of

508
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: fun with Rmando, he's one of my favorite people. A

509
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: lot of laughs, but they're too Towards the end, we're

510
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: gonna get serious. We're gonna talk about something it's very

511
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: important to me and should be very important to all

512
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: of you. As we get into the new year, everybody

513
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: set a goal. I know I've had you guys do

514
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: silly shit like drawl pictures of Phil's voice face and

515
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: make poems and sing songs. We're still going to do

516
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: all that, I promise, But if you all want to

517
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: do something for me and fulfill this year, pledge to

518
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: take someone out and teach them what we do. Or

519
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: pledge to yourself to learn enough this year to be

520
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: to find a way to give yourself the knowledge based

521
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: required to take someone out. If we all do that,

522
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: it will have been a good year. The number of

523
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: people that listen to this podcasts all take out a

524
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 1: new hunter. It will have been a good year for hunting,

525
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: and we will be growing this thing in the right way.

526
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: So now, my good friend Hunting Guide Wonderful. I think

527
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: he might be in the mafia. There's no way to know.

528
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: His name is Romando Benda Toozi Armando, How is it going, buddy,

529
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, thank you and yourself been Oh I'm

530
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: doing just fine, just fine. It's a new year, a

531
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: lot to talk about. But it's been long overdue to

532
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: have you on this here podcast, So thanks for doing it.

533
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: Oh it's my pleasure. Now you have some You have

534
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: the distinct opportunity to tell some stories from the good

535
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: old days that not a lot of people that come

536
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: on this show have. So a distinct opportunity to tell

537
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: some old stories about how I used to be, pre beard, young, pubescent,

538
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: early days. Uh, do you want to reveal anything about

539
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: my character, you know, to pre two thousand ten bub days? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

540
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: you tell the people what it was like to know

541
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: me when I just had a goatee and I was

542
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: the other but a pup. Yeah. So I had the

543
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: pleasure of of hosting Rob Bob up on a bear

544
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: Hunt in oh nine, and we decided to do it

545
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: again in and is like, you know, I know this

546
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: good kid, he works at the n r A. He's

547
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: new in the business. You know, maybe we we get

548
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 1: him up and give him a shot. And I'm like,

549
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, what, what the hell? Someone gave me a shot.

550
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: Why not, so I get to meet little old Benny,

551
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: Little Benny, Little Benny. He had three three hairs on

552
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: his chin, baby face. I didn't even think you were

553
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: shaving it. Um, but you had just started at the

554
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: n r A, and we drove you up to the

555
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: Domain Shannon up in northern Quebec. And uh, what I remember,

556
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: like it was yesterday, was when you pulled out that

557
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: cannon that you brought us a gun, thirty five whale,

558
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like it was it was a single

559
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: shot Thompson center break action thirty five whale and with

560
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: the shortest barrel you could possibly get built to wreck

561
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: your shoulder. We all figured out real quick that you've

562
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 1: never done a bear hunt before, and maybe you there

563
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a fear factor in your

564
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: choice of gun, Like all right, but you know what,

565
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: I think it turned out really well. You you took

566
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: a good bear. I ended up killing my first bear

567
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: with a bow on that trip. If you didn't remember

568
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: that you did, and um, I'm happy to say it

569
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: was the start of a few adventures we did together

570
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: and a pretty cool friendship over the years. Um Me

571
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: being the older one, I guess I took the the

572
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: that that drunk distant uncle and you're the nephew. I

573
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I always thought. I always thought, because

574
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: you know Armando Vento toes, they always sounds so wonderfully

575
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: Italian and wonderfully uh, wonderfully Canadian, wonderfully Quebec that you know,

576
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: you would be my constltieri at time, and your wonderful

577
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: wife and your children, you know, often spent time with

578
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: me and took me in as someone who didn't know

579
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Speaker 1: anything about anything. I'm happy to say. I'm happy to

580
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: say for those that don't know. When you decided to

581
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: leave UM the n r A, I believe at the time,

582
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: and you were gonna go to the media company, we

583
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: sat and had dinner and talked about that and I

584
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: give you my opinion. And when you decided to go

585
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: to Yeddi, you called and we talked about that, and

586
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: I gave you my opinion on that. And I'm happy

587
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: to say that your life is working out real well

588
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: and that both of our our common understandings are working

589
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: out for you. UM and both of those companies were

590
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: very lucky to have you, in my opinion, And I'm

591
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: not just saying that because you're my friend. You know,

592
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't usually beat around the bush, so um, yeah,

593
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm really glad how that worked out for you. And uh,

594
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: and you come a long way from that little three

595
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: three haired three chin haired dude that I met in

596
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: thirty five whalen and a smile that gun man. Oh

597
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: my god, I think the bear died from a heart attack.

598
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: I think when he heard thirty five whale and I'm

599
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: twenty yards away, what are you trying to do to me? Yeah,

600
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: I had some learnings to do, as I still do.

601
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, it definitely is. You know when I remember

602
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: when we met, we uh connected on movie quotes and

603
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: just you know, sometimes when you meet somebody you just

604
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: know right You're like, ah, it's my guy. It's gonna

605
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: be my guy right here. And you're always been incredibly

606
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: loyal and just a good person. You've raised I've known

607
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: your children since I think they were I don't even

608
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: know anymore, five six, seven years old. Josh was nine

609
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: when you met him, and Livy was to not Yeah,

610
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: she would not go near me for a while. I

611
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: always like to say that she was maybe in love

612
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: with me, but probably just the two year old. This

613
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: weird guy always saying it around. Uh, Livy, Livy's got

614
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: Livy's got some some character in her, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah,

615
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: that was pretty me. Even thinking about having kids and

616
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: now married with two kids. I I feel, I feel

617
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: where you were in life at that way back when.

618
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: Isn't it awesome? Though? It's wonderful. Yeah, we just to

619
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: see the little things. But we know the other day,

620
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: I know you do a lot of waterfowl hunting and

621
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: guide in these days. Um, the other day I was

622
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: at a buddy's house and we were we shot a

623
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: few geese and it was it was no big hunt.

624
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: It was cool enough that we were pretty close to

625
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: his house so the kids could watch us, you know,

626
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: shooting geese as they passed over. And my little little

627
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: guy got to plug a goose and chase the feathers

628
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: around in the yard and you know, chop wings off

629
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: with a hatchet, and you know, see and help me

630
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: hang the goose up and see what a fully plucked

631
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: goose looks like. It's just I mean those experiences. To me,

632
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: that would have been a really quick and easy thing

633
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: to do. You know, it would have been no big deal.

634
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: But to watch him experience that and then you know,

635
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: chasing feathers that are flying around the wind and have

636
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: the best time in his life. If that doesn't ground

637
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: you and and level things off, I don't know what will.

638
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: So I know you were telling me that your kids

639
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: are growing up and you missed the days when you

640
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: just had a little sidekick running around. Oh yeah, like Josh. Well,

641
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, Josh has been following me around, um since

642
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: he was like six years old. I took him up

643
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: on his first trip. And he's at that age now

644
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: where it's girls and uh, girls, and I'd like to

645
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: say something else, but it's just it's girls. But he's

646
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: a good kid. He's in college. He wants to be

647
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: a policeman. Um. And Livy is in high school now

648
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: and she she still comes along. She likes to turkey

649
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: hunt with me. Um. You know it's important, I think

650
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: at all. It's it's very important to get your kids out.

651
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: Let him try. They'll come around. You know, you kind

652
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: of force it on them, like I see you with

653
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: your kid. He's he's an truly in love with the outdoors,

654
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: which is awesome. It's at some point it may it

655
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: may um straight from that, but ultimately they'll come back

656
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: to it and you'll be happy you did it. And

657
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: they grew up way too fast. I know that's the thing, man,

658
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: I would do. I I am in that little buddy

659
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: phase with my my older son. He just is everywhere

660
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: I go. He seems to just want to do everything

661
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I do. And I remember that with my dad. You

662
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: know you've met my dad, Like I still feel kind

663
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: of that way if he was living around, if he

664
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: was living around these parts, I would still kind of

665
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: feel that way about hanging out with him. But but definitely, ah,

666
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: I'll miss this time when it's gone. And I know

667
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: that now. You know in the moment that I'll miss

668
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: this time when when whether it's football or um anything football, hunting,

669
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: plucking a goose. Um. He's excited for turkey season this year.

670
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: We were in the store the other day and he's like,

671
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: pie turkey call by as a son, I have a

672
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: thousand turkey calls. He said, one for me and you

673
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: to use. I was like, all right, perfect, I bought.

674
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: I bought a couple of turkey calls. So he he

675
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: felt like he had some ownership or something. So it's

676
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: just so just just to give you a little quick

677
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: story about turkey calls. I tried forever to master a

678
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: diaphragm a mouth call, and all I could do was

679
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: get like a gag sound coming out, you know, it

680
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: just it didn't work. Livy popped one in her mouth

681
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: and within I don't know five seconds, she was she

682
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: was clucking away, and I was like, what in the hell.

683
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it motivated me or it

684
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: made me mine up, but that's that night. I ended

685
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: up finally making some turkey sounds out of that, out

686
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: of that diaphragm. But she puts it in her mouth

687
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: and she'll look at me and it's like, what the hell. Yeah,

688
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: you just never know you'd like him, You like him

689
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: to have that, like have this this idea that they're

690
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: going to be better than you, and there's there's nothing

691
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: you can do. Maybe slow that down, you know, the teaching,

692
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: teaching him for a while before they teach you. Uh,

693
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: that was so much. Yeah, it's just a good it's

694
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: such a you know, when you have something that you

695
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: love as much as we love at the outdoors, you

696
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: know we should probably tell people what you have done

697
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: and what you do for a living. But now when

698
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: you have have this love. You know, you'd like desperately

699
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: want them to come along. It's never gonna be perfect. Um.

700
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know if i'd want my kid to

701
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: do exactly what I do because I started out just

702
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: hunting with my dad. And he was telling me the

703
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: other day, He's like, I didn't know anything we started hunting,

704
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, I was just doing what I knew how

705
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: to do. Um, I don't know if I want my

706
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: kid to have anything but that experience. You know, it's

707
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 1: just a pretty normal hunting experience with his dad. Would

708
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: be would be just fine with me. Nothing, nothing too fancy.

709
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, Well we should. You know, when

710
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: I met you, you were you were doing a lot

711
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: of bear guiding. You were doing you know, like I said,

712
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: Domaine Shannon, is that still around? That that's about stiff.

713
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: I still my my daughter and I we go up

714
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: every spring to Walleye Fish. I don't really do the

715
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: bear hunts there. I haven't been a while, um, for

716
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: no other reason, just that, you know, other opportunities presented themselves.

717
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: And sure, um, in time, you know, you you make decisions,

718
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: you go for the owners are are still dear friends

719
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: of mine. And I mean I don't miss I don't

720
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: miss an opening, an opening weekend. For while, iye fishing

721
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: with Livy Um when I met you. Also, I had

722
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 1: the bars back then. Yeah, I remember that. I remember thinking,

723
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 1: like I remember thinking, this guy's like I was watching

724
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: last night, I was up watching Good Fellows. I'm like,

725
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: this guy's a good fellow. This guy's like, this guy

726
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: is he is, he owns the bar. I remember, you know,

727
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: you had like it's such a warm energy in Quebec

728
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: where we went, you know, and you had walking in

729
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: your bar. Everybody loves you, you love everybody, like it

730
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: was just it just felt like this guy, this guy

731
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: is a good fellow. I think I'm not not quite

732
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: but um yeah, the bar of life, I'm you know

733
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: what it did. It's time. It allowed me to to

734
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: do a lot and it was fun. Um. But you

735
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: know in life, you like you did, you turn the

736
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: page and you go forward with other things. Right, that's right,

737
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: that's right. Well, you know over the years, you've you know,

738
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: guided for for bears up in northern Quebec. You in Saskatchewan.

739
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: You were telling me I got in for bears and

740
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: I know there's a white tail and waterfowl opportunities over there.

741
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: You've you've kind of branched out into some waterfowl there

742
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: locally around where you are. Give people just it's just

743
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: a rundown on how you came to hunting and um

744
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: just because I'll tell you this, and when I met

745
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: you too, I remember thinking, this guy is a hunting guy,

746
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: like you're like, you got style, you got flash, you

747
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: own a bar downtown, like this guy is. This guy

748
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: is not a rural hunting guy like you have. And

749
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: now you're in real estate, like you just have this

750
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: air about you of someone that's cool and maybe even

751
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: urban if I would put it, that's probably a bad

752
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: way to put it. But like you just you just

753
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: it's it's not something that I expected the two sides

754
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: of you. So give people like how you came to

755
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: be in the outdoors and guiding folks. Well, I've I've,

756
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: believe it or not, I've I've been fishing since I'm

757
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: like three years old with my grandfather. Um in my family,

758
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: be at my mom's side, my dad's side, my wife,

759
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: anybody in her side. I'm the only person who hunts.

760
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: And I started hunting when I was like twenty two

761
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: or twenty three. Years old. UM, my friend door neighbor

762
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: and his uncle, his uncle Tony. He invited me. He's like,

763
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, kid, you want to come? And I said, yeah, sure,

764
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: so let's try. And he took me deer hunting and

765
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: I seem to enjoy it. It was okay. Um. He

766
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: gave me my first gun and then he took me

767
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: out um on a on a bird hunt, and that

768
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: triggered something inside me. And I've been I've been, you know,

769
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: in love with water of foul hunting ever since. Um,

770
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: the big game, you know, like everyone in my area.

771
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: It's like you you hunt deer, you hunt moose. I mean,

772
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: I've done it. I worked at Safari nordic Um prior

773
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: to meeting you. That's a caribou operation. That's unfortunately the

774
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: Quebec Caribou um hunting no longer exists. Um. I worked

775
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: there for two years as in sales, which allowed me

776
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: to meet so many people. We were running like twelve

777
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: clients through their season. I met some fantastic people. I met,

778
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: you know, the TV guys. I met Ralph, I met

779
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: Michael Woodell, Jim Shocky, I mean all the all the

780
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: big wigs. I met Rob Bob we should clarify shot

781
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: out to Bob, I haven't talked to him for a

782
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: long time. When a wonderful Um. But yeah, actually I

783
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: read I read an article of his in the s

784
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: CI magazine the last issue. I was giggling all by

785
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: my off every time I see Oh Bob, Rob, Yeah, man,

786
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: that that's an interesting time in your life, one that

787
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: I kind of met you at the tail end of

788
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: and when I was telling you before we got on

789
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: that I wanted to talk about and if only if,

790
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: like I think, to start to understand the culture of

791
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: where you live, um, and kind of the way hunting

792
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: was looked at back then. I mean, we say back then,

793
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: it's not that long ago. Um. Back then there was

794
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: such an energy around caribou hunting in that side and

795
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: really the Rust Belt, really people on the East Coast

796
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: in the United States were coming up in droves to

797
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: hunt caribou. Um in the northern Quebec Herds. M hm,

798
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: yeah we um so Partner Dick at the time was

799
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: the biggest caribou operation in Quebec. Um. There were plenty

800
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: of good ones, you know, like people would call I mean,

801
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: I was, I was the director of sales at the time.

802
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: And all this was when I had the bar, So

803
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. When the bar allowed me to

804
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: do a lot of things. So uh, you know, I

805
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of three time, so I was able

806
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: to build my my sales I don't want to see,

807
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: you know, technique, but that's the only way to say it,

808
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: to build my my sales technique. Um. And we were

809
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: running like those were the heydays. Let's say, oh six,

810
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: oh seven, oh eight, o nine, we were averaging that

811
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: about clients per per season. Then I left the company

812
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: in oh nine, and that's when I mean it's just coincidence.

813
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: Like oh ten, the number started dwindling, eleven even less,

814
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: and it just started getting progressively harder and hardert for

815
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: nordiqu went out of business. Um, A lot of the

816
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: others went out of business. And I think the last

817
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: time I was up there was right about five years ago,

818
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: right like just before they closed the hunt. They closed

819
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: it for the biologists. You know, they claimed that the

820
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: the herd took such a massive hit and a decline

821
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: in numbers that they ultimately said it's due to hunting,

822
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: So we're going to close down the hunting. Um I'm

823
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: not you know, I'm not versed in the politics side

824
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: of it. Obviously the world we live in, you know,

825
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: that has something to do with it. So more than that,

826
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. But it was a fantastic industry here

827
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: in Quebec that people came, not just from the East

828
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: coast like the West coast Mexico, from Europe. I I

829
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: met people from We had guides working for us from Australia.

830
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: Um Matt one of Jim Shocky's guides, he's he was

831
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: on He used to work for Safari Nordic and that's

832
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: where I met him. He was you know, people just

833
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: wanted to to live that experience. And I say it today,

834
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: it's too bad that it's closed. But if you ever

835
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to go up into the Arctic and

836
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: experience that, it's an experience like no other. I mean

837
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: we all say, yeah, there's the the Africa's and the

838
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: Argentina's and this, but there's some in about that Arctic.

839
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: I mean I was fortunate enough to go up like

840
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: five times and no, no, no time was like nothing

841
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: was ever duplicated. It was always something new, something. I

842
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: mean the last time I went up there, I had

843
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: the privilege of hosting Blake Sheldon Um and his group,

844
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: and it was it was pretty awesome. But that aside,

845
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: I got to go quad writing in the Arctic, through rivers,

846
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: places that no one's ever walked before, and I was

847
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: I was writing a quad um, doing miles and miles

848
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: and miles each day to go kill tarm again, and

849
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: like just something that every person should have tried to experience,

850
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: especially if you're a hunter. It's just it was magical.

851
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: And the fact that that's over really really sucks. You know,

852
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: there's no nice way to put it. It just sucks. Yeah,

853
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: and there's you know, we certainly could have biologists on that.

854
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: We'll talk about you know, exactly why this all went down.

855
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: But when when you you certainly look at the from

856
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: the early nineteen seventies through the ninety nineties and in

857
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: in the early two thousand, you know when you were

858
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: kind of like like you said, you're kind of there

859
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: at the tail end of it, maybe the precipice, and

860
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: then you know, as it started to fall down. But

861
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: from the seventies of the nineties, you know, que back

862
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: caribou were I mean, they were in a special place

863
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: in the heart of American hunters. They really were. I mean,

864
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: there was such a it was accessible, Um, it was affordable,

865
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: and like you said, it was an adventure. It was.

866
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: It was an adventure. I never I never got to

867
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: go do it myself, but I know my dad did.

868
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: Um and I knew that you did. And I had,

869
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, seen the country, um bear hunting with you, you

870
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, further south obviously, but understanding the culture around it,

871
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: and then even seeing you know, the hotel what was

872
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: the pit stop hotel that you guys had people flying

873
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, come into when they flew to the Hilton.

874
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: The Hilton, Yeah, the Hilton there. Uh, it was just

875
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: full of hunters man as this. It was a cool scene.

876
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: It just felt like a pretty timeless thing. And then

877
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: you you know, two bull hunts for a lot of

878
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: outfitters was like you know what, I don't know what

879
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: you guys charged, but bucks guys could drive across the

880
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: border in Buffalo, they could drive across the border in Champagne,

881
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: you know the windsor they could they could do something.

882
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, at least where I came from. That was awesome. Um.

883
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: And they were you know in places like the southwest

884
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: of Kuju Act. They were in a place called the barons.

885
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: Um they could really see what you just described, which

886
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: is a flying camp on a on a lake in

887
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: some of the most amazing country. Um. And it didn't

888
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: feel all that far off, you know, which is important.

889
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: It was it honestly was actually uh, I just looked

890
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: at it was the last time I was up, so

891
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: I think they closed it right at Yeah, that was

892
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: when the hunt was over. Yeah, there's two there's so

893
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: there's I was just looking. There's two herds. There was

894
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: a leaf River herd, and then there was the George

895
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: Ever heard, right, Yeah, and they were you know which

896
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: the George Ever heard at a shorter migration moving along

897
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: that Quebec Labrador border border. But you know, at its height,

898
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: maybe it was eight thousand animals in that herd, and

899
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: to see even a quarter of that, half of that,

900
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: a tenth of that I'm moving across the landscape, you know,

901
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: must have been amazing. And now you know today maybe

902
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: it's five or six or seven thousand cariboo. Um. So

903
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: it's it's just interesting too. Again, I don't think we're

904
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: I'm not in a position nor I don't I think

905
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: you are to really go into you know, the population

906
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: dynamics here. I'm sure predation, winner kill, global warming, over hunting,

907
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: all of those things probably went into this. UM. But

908
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: as much as I know about it, there's not There's

909
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: not a bunch of biologist saying it was one thing. Um. No,

910
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: it was it was it was a collective of a

911
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: few different things. I know, like the Oh the Oh

912
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: nine season, we started seeing a lot of sick caribool

913
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: A lot of them had that mange. Yeah. UM, I'm

914
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: sure that that factors in. Uh. You know, UM, But

915
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm not a biologist. I don't know

916
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: what it is. All I know is um it it

917
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: really like closing that it really really really hurt um

918
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: an industry that a lot of people had every dollar

919
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: they had invested in. You know. UM. I was president

920
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: at the time of Safari Club chapter here in Montreal,

921
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: and I remember when I got to UM Torino No

922
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: in Vegas in I think you were there that that

923
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: year that I met with you. UM. One of the

924
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: outfitters from Quebec had left me a voicemail and he's like,

925
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: I need you to come by my booth. I absolutely

926
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: want to see you. And he was one of the

927
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: oldest outfitters here. UM and the man like he literally

928
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: broke down in tears, like is there anything you guys

929
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: could do? And I told him, I go, listen, I go.

930
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: It's it's not a legal matter. When the biologists do

931
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: their tests and there's you know, our our argument doesn't

932
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: hold water against the biologists. Basically what they say goes

933
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to the well being of a species

934
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: or or you know. So. I but to to see

935
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: a man who for fifty years ran a top notch

936
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: operation and fed his family and gave jobs and brought

937
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: money because it brought a lot of money to kuduac,

938
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: the hotels in Montreal, um, the restaurants. I mean, it

939
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: just annihilated a very very big industry and it's it's

940
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: too bad. I hope probably not. But I would love

941
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: for one day for for even if it's open on

942
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: a limited you know, a limited matter like a draw

943
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,479
Speaker 1: tiger or whatever, but just for for to give people

944
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go up and experience it would be

945
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Yeah. I remember my friend Andrew McKeen uh

946
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: went up there and reported on it for Outdoor Life

947
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: and wrote a really good story and I remember reading it.

948
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: You know, this would have been like two years ago

949
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: probably and just man feeling really sad because they're they're

950
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: haven't gone north, you know, to north in the northern

951
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: parts of the Northwest territories in the Mackenzie Mountains, these

952
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: towns like yellow Knife and some other towns. Once you

953
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: get far reaching into the northern Canada, um and into

954
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: the territories, they rely on these They rely on this economy.

955
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean it is their economy at some level. Um.

956
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: If you go there, you can see why there's not

957
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: a lot of tourism opportunities, I mean their outposts, um,

958
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: and they rely on this, but there was I just

959
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: was looking at a two thousand sixteen report Quebec's provincial

960
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: Department of Parks and Wildlife. They said, recent documentary documentary

961
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: analysis has clear clearly revealed that the main threats to

962
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: the long term survival of migratory caribou populations are over

963
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: exploitation through hunting and poaching, the expansion of occupation of

964
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: the territory and the attendant industrial activities, as well as

965
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: climate change. So basically all the things we listed, Um,

966
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, wolves certainly are are are in there. Um.

967
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: They talk a lot about the fickle nature the yo

968
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: yo nature of population dynamics within caribou herds, my specifically

969
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: migratory caribou herds, and that report that I read a

970
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: little bit, Um, there's evidence of YO young populations over

971
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: the last two hundred years. UM. And they respond weather

972
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: and predator numbers and so many other things. So maybe

973
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: there is hope that that can get going again, and

974
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: hope that we've learned something from it. Um. We certainly

975
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: learned to cherish it. I would imagine you would agree, Oh,

976
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: you better believe it. Those are, honestly, buddy, those are

977
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: some of my some of the best days ever spent

978
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: up there. And you know what, I'm not gonna lie.

979
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: You know, people every day people say, oh, you love

980
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: your job. You love your job. I loved working at

981
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: Safari and Radique. When I met people at the hotel,

982
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: it allowed me to meet so many people, and like indirectly,

983
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 1: it it led me to even become your friend, because

984
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: if I don't meet I don't meet Rob Bob, I

985
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: never meet you. You know what. I'm so not just

986
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: not just the the hunting factor of it, like everything

987
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: about it was awesome, UM. And I if they would

988
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: ever open up again, and I had the opportunity to

989
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: go work there again. I mean, I jump on it,

990
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I just felt like a

991
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: moment in time that was important, um, for hunting and

992
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: for you know, like like I said, when I was

993
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: with you at that hotel, it just felt like it

994
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: just I was like, man, this feels this feels pretty special.

995
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: It feels like something. This feels like a moment in

996
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: hunting history that will all look back on and be like, man,

997
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: it was cool to be up here. And and I

998
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: guess that's evidence by all of the you know, all

999
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: the celebrities and big name folks that came through there, um,

1000
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: you know, and that I watched on TV and read

1001
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: about in magazines and and that's no longer. Um, you know,

1002
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: there's still migratory here's in Alaska that we can hunt.

1003
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: There's there's a bunch of things that can happen. But

1004
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: it just felt like, you know, where you were at

1005
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: that time and what you were doing definitely meant something,

1006
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, for a lot of people. All Right, Well,

1007
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: you know, moving on from that, I do I kind

1008
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: of this has inspired me kind of return to that

1009
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: at some point in ine and and think about you know,

1010
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: from a from a science and biology and ecology perspective,

1011
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: what happened? Because what what a like what a case study?

1012
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: That hurt is both in its cyclical nature and its

1013
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: fickle nature, and you know how accessible it was for

1014
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: hunters and what it meant to guys like you in

1015
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: the whole industry over time. So it feels it feels

1016
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: do you feel like that crippled, I mean that completely

1017
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: wiped out an industry? Did that cripple hunting in Quebec

1018
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: in a way? Or you feel like it's still with

1019
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: waterfowl and bears and all the other things that are available,

1020
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: still vibrant. The bears, the spring bears. Up until COVID

1021
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: was still a very very big industry for Americans to

1022
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: come up and hunt everything else like not really um,

1023
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: the waterfowl maybe a little bit, but nothing like the

1024
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: caribou or the spring bear. Spring bear hunting is still

1025
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: very very popular for um for Americans to come up

1026
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: and do. UM. They usually like like you experienced that

1027
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: you combo it up with like walleye fishing and um

1028
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: people left to sightsee Montreal, Montreal is awesome. UM, so

1029
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: you know, believe it or not, depending the groups. I

1030
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: would book that came up in to bear hunt, I'd

1031
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: try and and work them that they arrived the week

1032
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: of the Grand Prix, which is the busiest time in Montreal,

1033
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: and it's like if you've never experienced big city life

1034
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: and the parties and this and that. So I'd get

1035
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: my hunters to fly in like on the Friday overnight

1036
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: Friday Saturday, and then we drive up Sunday morning to

1037
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: camp and whatever condition we'd be in after two nights

1038
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: of Grand Prix downtown. But that industry, I mean that

1039
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: that we didn't have that the summer either. And I mean,

1040
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: like everyone else, I'm not I'm not saying we're you

1041
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: know that we suffered more than anyone else. Everyone else suffered, Um,

1042
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: but the tourism industry and in a hole, Um, it's

1043
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: something that that a lot of people live on, and

1044
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: uh we all suffered in that that caribou hunt. It

1045
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: hurt a lot of people. Yeah yeah, I mean you know,

1046
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: and then you have the what what COVID has done

1047
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: over time and and you know it's not a good

1048
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: it's really something we we did it first Light our company.

1049
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: First Light, we looked at how can we help outfitters

1050
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: and and in time. You know, we we donated a

1051
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: percentage of sales to some organizations and gave people discounts

1052
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: if they booked, you know, showed us that they booked

1053
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: with an outfitter this last year. So, I mean, there's

1054
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: such so many things we can do, um, especially when

1055
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: restrictions are lifted, you know how it is now. I mean,

1056
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: so many outfitters had to cancel haunts from last year

1057
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 1: then this year, and so they're they're way backlogged on

1058
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: on folks that either had already paid um. You know.

1059
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: And I was talking to a few outfitters up there,

1060
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: including Jim Shocky. He was telling me that, you know,

1061
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: they the work doesn't stop. You can't stop maintaining and

1062
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: spending the money on the camps and spending the money

1063
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: on on all the infrastructure you need to get those

1064
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: clients up there. You can't just leave it alone. UM.

1065
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: And so you still have sunk cost with no income,

1066
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: no revenue. UM. So it's a tough time for that industry,

1067
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: your industry really well. I'll tell you this in UM

1068
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: I hunted bear for the first time and like maybe

1069
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: five years this year because the outfitters that I deal

1070
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: with here in Quebec. We had no clients, and he

1071
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: still ran all sixty five baits to keep it just

1072
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: like you said, you mean, you got to keep it

1073
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: consistent and keep it going. And you know, um the

1074
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: owner called me up. He's like, you know, they lifted

1075
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: the restrictions to travel, like for us, it was the

1076
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: island of Montreal was the hardest hit. So for a

1077
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: while there they didn't encourage us to leave the Island

1078
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: of Montreal, you know what I mean. Um, So he's like, well,

1079
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: they lifted that restriction, why didn't you come up? So

1080
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: I went up and and I hunted bear and I

1081
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: mean the guy kept his morale and his attitude was

1082
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: was great. But he incured the same amount of costs

1083
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: minus perhaps the food costs or um some of the

1084
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: employee costs, but debating the gas the time it you know,

1085
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: you can't just stop. You gotta keep it going. You

1086
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: gotta up keep your your blinds and you gotta upkeep

1087
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: your trails. And um. So that that's what happened here

1088
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: and in Saskatchewan, um, where I do most of my

1089
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: booking since two thousand and ten. Um, like clothes, like

1090
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to invest the money for the

1091
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: bird season and if we don't have it, well it'll

1092
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: be an extra X amount of dollars in the red column,

1093
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: and same one for the deer season. Um, and you know,

1094
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: we were blessed, Thank the Lord. I put together a

1095
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: couple of little meeting greets here in Montreal when I

1096
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: saw that the American clients it wasn't gonna happen, and

1097
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: I ended up booking like three weeks worth of waterfowl hunters,

1098
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: which was really good. Um. He kept us busy and

1099
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: we ended up selling all eight deer tags even though

1100
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: we didn't have a single American client. We just you know,

1101
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: we're we're booked solid with all the carryovers, and three

1102
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: quarters of two has already booked up. As far as

1103
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: deer hunting goes, I will say this and and it

1104
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: shows I've always said, you know, like you go into

1105
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: a hunting camp, and I think you and I have

1106
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: have said this. You and I could have never met

1107
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: and probably would have never crossed paths. You went to

1108
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: hunting camp and a lot of times you build a bond,

1109
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: you build friendships, you build relationships. I will say this

1110
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: on those eight clients that had given deposits, some had

1111
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: paid in full because a lot of the hunters they

1112
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: pay in full at the end of their trip for

1113
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: the following year. You know. Uh, not a one called

1114
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: and said, well, would send me back my money? Too bad?

1115
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: You know, we're conceling. Not one. They all said, we

1116
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: want to do our part to keep you guys afloat,

1117
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: keep the deposit, just transfer us over the next year,

1118
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: which I found that very noble. Um. When you when

1119
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: when you see people like they know a lot of

1120
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: these businesses if if they lose that income one year,

1121
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: a year and a half, they'll go out of business. Um.

1122
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: So I found that really really cool. And I mean

1123
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: we were blessed. We were blessed that we we still

1124
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: we still sold eighty tags, um two Quebeckers. The owner

1125
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: of my Saskatchewan outfit is from Montreal. Um, So you know,

1126
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: I gave it an opportunity to eighty Quebeckers who wouldn't

1127
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: normally have come hunt out west because we are booked

1128
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: up with American clients every year. Gave them the opportunity

1129
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: to come and experience it. And it was it was

1130
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: still a pretty good season. We had a good time,

1131
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. I mean that's the thing too, is

1132
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: it's so for so many people, my dad included. I

1133
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: don't book as many outfit a hunts, but I'm sure

1134
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, I sure would love to have the time

1135
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: to do it. You know. That's such it's it's it's

1136
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: a loss. There's like a sense of loss. People look

1137
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: forward those trips every year to come with you guys

1138
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: and to come up there and have those adventures. Um.

1139
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: They look forward to getting out of town and and

1140
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: le either loading up the truck drive across the border

1141
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: or flying in and bringing their their firearms and their bows.

1142
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: And they look forward to that. And so I think

1143
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: a lot of it's the relationship, it's a sum of

1144
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: it's also that you know, COVID took that away from him,

1145
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: and they want to get it back as soon as possible.

1146
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: You know, next year, I'm coming, no matter what, you know.

1147
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: So I I've seen that, and of all the losses

1148
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: of COVID, you know, certainly every hunting outfit or I

1149
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: talked to has kind of said the same thing. Out

1150
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: of Buddy and Kodiak that was telling me that he's

1151
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: taken out more local folks than ever. Um, it's kind

1152
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: of the same as you just said. So it's good

1153
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: to see that that at some level, even though you

1154
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: still have that sunken cost and these are not been

1155
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: good times, it's still you know, marries up the fact

1156
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: that people really need these outlets, They really need these

1157
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: type of hunts that are out of town, that are

1158
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: away from where they are, and and that are that

1159
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: feel like adventure, no matter what, no matter what. It

1160
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: was nice to see. You know, one of my fellow

1161
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: guides in Saskatchewan, Nicholas, he had just purchased with his

1162
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: wife a fishing camp in northern Saskatchewan, and you know,

1163
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: it was going to be his first year of operation.

1164
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: He was all excited and Covid like beat the ship

1165
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: out of him, right. He lost all his clients, and

1166
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: there too, he was, you know, like his clients were cool.

1167
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: They they said, you know, we know you guys are

1168
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: new in business. Not a one asked for their money back,

1169
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: which it goes to say, I mean, you know, I'm Italian,

1170
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: like you said, I'm old school. I look at these

1171
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: things loyalty and stuff like that, and I just I

1172
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: find it really really really nice to see, especially like

1173
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: when you see all the bullshit in the world. You know,

1174
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: it's nice to see people backing each other up like that.

1175
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: I like that, you know, Yeah, well that's you know,

1176
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: that's that's when I first met you. I'm like, you know,

1177
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: this guy is he's got every all the characteristics of

1178
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: the alliens. Yeah. Yeah, You're really stereotypical, is what you are.

1179
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: You treat, but you treat people would respect, you have loyalty,

1180
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: like you know, it just feels like that. That's when

1181
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: you have that relationship. And like you said, when you

1182
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: share hunting with somebody, it seems easier to get along.

1183
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: It just seems like easier because you have a shared

1184
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: value system, you kind of understand each other and you

1185
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: like the same stuff. Um, that's a lot easier. M.

1186
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: We always talked about having you on and it's probably

1187
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: my fault more than anything, and for not having to

1188
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: come and just talk, talk some ship and have a

1189
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: good time. But you sent me a message recently, UM

1190
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: with a pretty pretty impactful story. I guess it's it's

1191
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: hard to describe it. I wasn't there. I don't know,

1192
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: but I'm sure impactful is a good way to start

1193
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: with it. UM. Something from a from a human perspective,

1194
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: from a guide perspective, from a hunting perspective that you

1195
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: hope never happens. Um, And I you know, hesitate to

1196
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: force you to talk a whole lot about it, but

1197
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: I know you want to share some stuff and there

1198
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: was some learning. So if you want to give people

1199
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: just kind of a rundown of what happened, and hopefully

1200
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: we can talk about it and we can learn some

1201
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: things from from the shop. Um. So my my my

1202
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: main occupation. You know, I'm a real estate agent, but

1203
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: I've been a waterfowl guide now for like five years

1204
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: and I've been a waterfowl hunter for for twenty years.

1205
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: I've been blessed. I've made some awesome relationships I've had,

1206
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: I have some awesome mentors. Um. You know, here in Quebec,

1207
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: I got a guy like Roger Glodzoo, who was like

1208
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: a legend here. He's he's taught me in his own

1209
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: way because his character is very special. Um. You know,

1210
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: Bill Safe, I could pick up a phone and I'll

1211
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: get a guy like like a guy like Tony Vandermore

1212
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: who runs probably one of the biggest operations in the US.

1213
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,439
Speaker 1: He'll take the time to give you advice or talk

1214
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like it says a lot for me with

1215
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: some of the relationships I've built over the years. Um.

1216
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: And it also it also goes to show that a

1217
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: lot of us, especially waterfowlers, I mean, we all do it.

1218
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: We we we we look at stuff in in in

1219
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: a light way many times that we don't realize sometimes

1220
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: like the dangers or the risks that we take until

1221
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 1: things hit home. Um. When I first started hunting with

1222
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: with Bill Safe in New York. Bill does a a

1223
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: speech every morning with his clients. And it doesn't matter

1224
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: if you've find and I mean, Benny, you've been there,

1225
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: you've heard this speech. I just had like a really

1226
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: warm nostalgic moment when you said that dude's name, because

1227
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about him for a long time. But

1228
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: what a wonderful guy man. Yeah, and I mean the

1229
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: guy and he's he's he grew me up. You know,

1230
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: he's known me since I'm a kid. And it doesn't

1231
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: matter that he knows I guide, he knows I do

1232
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: all this. I hear that speech every morning. If I

1233
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: hunt with him five days in a row, I hear

1234
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: it five days in a row and we laugh, you know,

1235
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: like shoot a bird in the pocket and if you

1236
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: fall off the boat. I mean, we all laugh about it,

1237
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day that that speech

1238
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: hits home. And when I go waterfowl hunting here in Quebec,

1239
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: even though I'm wearing waiters, and when I'm on the boat,

1240
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm maybe one of the only guys, or if you're

1241
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: with one of the only guys that's wearing a life

1242
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: jacket in that boat. I see the other guys. They

1243
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: they take unnecessary risk. And when I guide for waterfowl

1244
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: in Saskatchewan, um, I take the ten minutes every morning,

1245
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 1: even if it's the same guys five days in a row,

1246
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: and I go over the safety. You know, don't shoot

1247
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: this way, don't do that, don't do this, don't do that.

1248
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: And you know what most people, I want to say,

1249
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: listen a lot, don't a lot laugh about it. Um,

1250
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: And it's all funding games until unfortunately someone gets hurt

1251
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: or worse. Um. You know, I've taken guys friends of

1252
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: mine one thing that maybe shouldn't have been in the blind,

1253
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: but because they're your friends, you say, well whatever, you know,

1254
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: it's all good. And for the longest time, like my

1255
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: biggest fear or my biggest speech was guys, whatever you

1256
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: do don't shoot my dog because it's not you know,

1257
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: it's not gonna go over too well with me. Um.

1258
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: You know that because we don't think further than that, right.

1259
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: So I came back from from guiding deers I was.

1260
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: I was away for five weeks in Saskatchewan. I was

1261
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: guiding deer hunters and I was itching to go on

1262
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: a on a waterfall hunt. And like I said, I'm blessed.

1263
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: I know a lot of really good guides here in Quebec.

1264
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't guide in Quebec. I don't have the time

1265
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: or the where the resources to go and do it.

1266
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: I live in the city. Um, so I just I book,

1267
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, those eight ten hunts locally here and then

1268
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: I go with my friends. These guys have become my friends.

1269
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 1: And this one particular morning he called me up. He's like, dude,

1270
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: the snow geese are tight. You want to come in?

1271
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: And he knew I wanted to get my dog, Maverick.

1272
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to try and get him up to a

1273
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: thousand retrieves for the season. We're like right at nine.

1274
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, okay, you know, it'll be fun

1275
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: if you could get fifty sixty retrieves it will be good.

1276
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: So I went and I went alone, myself and the dog,

1277
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: and we were six guys that had never met each other. Um,

1278
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: actually I'm lying. Two of them said they knew me

1279
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: from a hunt last year. When he makes like you know,

1280
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: the guys, they mix up groups. If you're two and

1281
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: he has a group of three, they always try and

1282
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: be six seven guys for it to be to be

1283
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: worth the money to go out in the time. I

1284
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: mean snow goose hunting here is uh, you do a

1285
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: set up every morning and it could be like eight

1286
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: nine a thousand, a thousand full body decoys. So it's

1287
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: you don't want to do it in two guys, You're

1288
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: you're happy when you're eight nine guys doing it. Um,

1289
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: a great bunch of guys. You know. We all looked

1290
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: at each other and we got in our blinds and

1291
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: because of COVID, we're actually four or five ft apart

1292
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: instead of being huddled one against the other, which is

1293
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: kind of cool. It's comfortable. And I started to chatting

1294
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: with the guy next to me, kind of Benny, like

1295
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: you'll you'll know this thing. Like at one point I

1296
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: looked at him and like, did we just become best friends.

1297
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 1: Like the guy was super cool. We exchanged phone numbers

1298
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: and Facebook and you know, like it just clicked and

1299
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: and and it's really nice to see. Um. So Max,

1300
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: the guide he does his speech, and it's funny because

1301
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, like there's certain things that he says his

1302
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: speech in French, but if you translate him, it sounds

1303
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: exactly what I say in English, or what Bill will

1304
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: say or what you know. Um, but all of us,

1305
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, like we stress safety guys. You don't do this,

1306
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: do this, do this, do this. And and then we

1307
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: sat down and we started getting ready to hunt. Um So,

1308
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: about a half hour in, I looked to my left

1309
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: and I see a couple of smells coming and like

1310
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: we're six guys in the blind and there's two gears

1311
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: coming into decoy. And even though I been like five weeks,

1312
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: I hadn't shot my gun. I knew my dog had

1313
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: not retrieved in five weeks. So I kind of wanted to,

1314
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: you know, just worry about him and not worry about

1315
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: annihilating these two geese with six or seven of us

1316
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: shooting at him. So I turned to the guy Dave

1317
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: next to me, and I'm like, okay, dude, I'm gonna

1318
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna work the dog. I'm not even gonna

1319
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: shoot on this. And he's like, yeah, okay, cool. So

1320
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: when I died in Saskatchewan, we're not allowed we're not

1321
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: allowed to shoot with the clients. So force of habit,

1322
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: I get on my knees next to my dog and

1323
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: I hold his collar. Um, you know, And I mean,

1324
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like an asshole, because there's

1325
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: always that one guy who will shoot a bird in

1326
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: the decoys or whatever. And if my dog is running

1327
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: around in there, like I said, I don't want anybody

1328
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 1: shooting my dog, you know what I mean. Um. So

1329
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: I'm holding Maverick and I'm watching these two birds. I'm

1330
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: watching these two birds and like boom boom boom boom

1331
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: boom boo boom, the guns are going off and I'm

1332
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 1: hearing behind me, I'm hearing no no. So I'm laughing.

1333
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: I go, look at these guys. I would have, you know,

1334
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: and not because I'm better than anybody, but they were

1335
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: just they were to my right. I would have got

1336
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: up and it would have been boom boom and it

1337
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: would have been finished. I go, seven guys, only one

1338
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: bird felt so I opened the door and I sent

1339
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: my dog. Right During all this shooting, I had felt

1340
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: like a bit of commotion behind me. I didn't really

1341
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: pay much attention to it, because you know the force

1342
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: of habit, you know, during the waterfall season, I do

1343
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: this every day. As I stand up, I turned around and, um,

1344
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: you do like I did like a double take, you know.

1345
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: I looked, and I looked again, and I didn't see Dave.

1346
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: I didn't see him. He wasn't next to me anymore.

1347
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: But I did see the third guy. And the third

1348
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: guy is like sitting on his key stirt and he's

1349
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: staring at me with this look of horror. And I'm like,

1350
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't know if I could swear

1351
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: in here, but I said, what the fund just happened?

1352
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: I turned around and I see Dave is laying flat

1353
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: on his face, and like, I froze for a split second,

1354
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: and I jumped up and I'm screamed to the guide.

1355
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, call nine one one. This is not good.

1356
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: He gets up. As he's dialing nine one one, He's

1357
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: running out of the field because I'm gonna get my truck.

1358
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my truck. I jumped down. I call

1359
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: nine one one on my phone and and um, another

1360
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: one of the guys comes over and I says, do it.

1361
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: Hold on my phone and I'm trying to I'm trying

1362
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: to see, like did he just get hit in the

1363
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,600
Speaker 1: head or whatever. And the gentleman next to me and

1364
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: he's like, I fell, I fell. My gun went off.

1365
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: My gun went off. I fell, And and I guess

1366
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: in in in the moment, you're trying to understand what

1367
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: this guy is saying. But at the same time, I

1368
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: was trying to look at what's wrong with Dave, um,

1369
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: because you know, this is not something you expect to

1370
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: happen anyway. Um. I look on the back of Dave's jacket.

1371
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't see any blood anywhere, and I'm like, maybe

1372
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: he got hit in the head. I mean, I had

1373
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: my back to all of this because I was on

1374
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: my knees, you know, UM, handling my dog. Nine one

1375
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: one comes on. I started talking with and and when

1376
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 1: you call it one on, I guess it's an operator

1377
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 1: at first for us here and go back, and uh

1378
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: so I'm like, dude, I go I'm trying to feel

1379
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: for a pulse. I can't feel for a pulse. There's

1380
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: no blood. I mean, I don't I don't know what's

1381
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,839
Speaker 1: going on. And he's like, is this a hunting accident?

1382
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 1: And I must saying yeah. He goes okay because the

1383
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: the other guide was on the phone. I guess they were.

1384
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: The two dispatchers were one next to each other, so

1385
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: that he was aware of what was going on, so

1386
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: he transferred me over to a paramedic. Um. So Dave

1387
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: is lying next to me on his on his stomach.

1388
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: I'm trying to feel for a pulse. I don't feel

1389
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: for a pulse, and there's there's no blood. It's not

1390
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: like in the movies. And he's not talking or moving

1391
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: at all at this point, like he's just totally lifeless. Right,

1392
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: And on the back of his jacket, I see three holes.

1393
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: But again, we all watched movies and you know the

1394
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: blood spraying everywhere. There's none of that. So I'm still

1395
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: hopeful that he just got hit in the head with

1396
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: the barrel of a gun when this this other gentleman

1397
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: fell right. Um, I mean, Benny, you knew me when

1398
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: I was fat, I was I was a bigger guy then. Um,

1399
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: So just just to pointing, you know, and adrenaline. Uh,

1400
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 1: this guy, Dave was bigger than I was, and I

1401
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: was on my knees and I don't know how I

1402
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 1: did it, but I lifted him up and I just

1403
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: turned him over onto his back. At wish point, I

1404
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: saw that, you know, like he had like a big

1405
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: blood but coalgulated blood in his nose and his tongue

1406
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: was sticking out, and the nurses trying to walk me

1407
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,679
Speaker 1: through this. So I mean, I clean out his nose.

1408
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: This poor bustard has any chance to fucking breathe. He's

1409
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: not gonna breathe with his nose jammed up like. So

1410
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: I cleaned out his nose and try and put his

1411
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 1: tongue back in his mouth, and I started, I started

1412
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: doing CPR on him, and you know, my hats off

1413
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: to that paramedics. She she stayed on the phone with

1414
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 1: me and like she was counting and I was counting,

1415
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 1: and um, I don't know how long. This went on

1416
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,759
Speaker 1: for maybe ten minutes. And all the while I would,

1417
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, I would do three sessions and check for

1418
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: a pulse, three sessions and check for a pulse in

1419
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: three sessions. Anyway, Um, when the cops, the cops finally arrived.

1420
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 1: They they they took over. It's you know that part.

1421
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: They don't let you stay around and assist them. They

1422
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,520
Speaker 1: grab you and they moved out of the way. Yeah. Um.

1423
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 1: And then you know, the paramedics showed up and they

1424
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: tied him up to a defibrillator and they tried to

1425
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: revive them. But at that point, just like I had,

1426
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: I had seen when when I first took his pulse,

1427
01:15:50,280 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: he wasn't breathing. But my, my, my actions, I was

1428
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: told after the fact by by all the police officers

1429
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: and the paramedics, UM, and even the investigators after the fact,

1430
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: my my ten minutes of pumping on his chest had

1431
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: at least given him a fighting chance to maybe be defibrillated.

1432
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, did did you feel, I mean, when

1433
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: you flipped them over, did you see like was their

1434
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: trauma on his chest? Is that where that the shot

1435
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: went through? Was it all in his face or the

1436
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: shot from how I from how I was explained when

1437
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: the guy so after the fact that just just I'll

1438
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: go forward and then I'll go back, just to give

1439
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: you an idea after the fact, after c S I,

1440
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: we'll call him c S I, because they were there

1441
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: the old fucking day, and they barred us from getting

1442
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: our stuff. His gun, believe it or not, even though

1443
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: they had investigated, his gun still had a fucking shell

1444
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: in it. So he had gotten two shots off. And

1445
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: what I think happened is the guy next to him

1446
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: either and I, like I said, I didn't see it,

1447
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna assume either as he was standing up

1448
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: had his safety off and when he fell back, had

1449
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: his finger on the trigger and shot, or as he

1450
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: shot he lost his footing and he shot him like

1451
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: right straight under his shoulder blade. And at that distance.

1452
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: The reason there was no blood is I mean he

1453
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: took the whole blunt of the shot, the wad everything

1454
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: went in and basically almost like sealed the hole as

1455
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: it went in. That's why there was no blood. Um.

1456
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: And I guess like when you when you when your

1457
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: lung shot a deer or whatever and you find him

1458
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: the all the blood is sticking out of his nose

1459
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: and his tongue is dangling out. Well, that's exactly what

1460
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: it looked like. H um. And uh yeah, So that

1461
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: poor man, that poor man he kept you know, while

1462
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: I was doing the the CPR. He you know, is

1463
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: he alive? Is he alive, and it was just that

1464
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: he's an older man. You know, I don't want this

1465
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: fucking guy to get even have a heart attack and

1466
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: and and die. And you see he's in like he's

1467
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 1: in shock, you know. I mean, I'm not better than

1468
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: anybody else. But but we were seven guys there, and

1469
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: I was the only guy that that was on him.

1470
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: You know, um that that everyone else was handling it

1471
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: the way you handle yourself during during trauma. But like

1472
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: I said, I mean that, you know, in life, you've

1473
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 1: got a man up. You do you do man ship

1474
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 1: when it's time to be a man. And I've always

1475
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: I've always lived my life like that. I'm not gonna

1476
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: let you know my fears or whatever or my disgustedness

1477
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: of COVID or worried about getting a little blood stopped

1478
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: me from helping somebody. Never never, never, never, it will

1479
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: never happen. I just assumed not be alive if I

1480
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: have to live my life that way. Um. So that

1481
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: poor man when when the cops came, he just he

1482
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: collapsed and they rushed him to the hospital too. You know,

1483
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: m he's dead, but that this other guy is his

1484
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: life is never going to be the same accident. It

1485
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: was a accident. Like the cops, they they bring you

1486
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: in and you know it's they do their their whole spield.

1487
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: They gotta they got a job to do. And I

1488
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: caught two really good cops and I kept my kept

1489
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 1: my composure for for most of the interview. But at

1490
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: one point, you know, I guess it affected me as well.

1491
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: Right Ah, my friends that hunt with me, Like when

1492
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: you hunted with me, you sat next to me right

1493
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: so up until I called my friend Seragio, who up

1494
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: until ten o'clock the evening before, canceled on me. Um

1495
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: Sergio usually is the one who stands right next to me,

1496
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: and and I'm like, fuck, this could have been you,

1497
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: or it could have been Josh, could have been my son.

1498
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: How the fund do I call? How do I call

1499
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: your wife and tell her this happened because I invited

1500
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: your husband on a hunt? You know what I mean? Well,

1501
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: going back to what you were saying about how to

1502
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: act in this, I don't think anybody really knows how

1503
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: they're gonna respond to something like this, But I would

1504
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: want you there if I could pick you know, if

1505
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: I had, if I had a top five, I would

1506
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: You'd be in there. So I mean, I think that

1507
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: guy was lucky to have have you there, even though

1508
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: he didn't make it. Um on that level. But I

1509
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: guess the other the other point is like that is

1510
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean it It makes me stop and pause because

1511
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: we talk. We've talked on this show, and we've talked

1512
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: within our company about uh wilderness medicine. We just did

1513
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: a book about survival, right, We did a book about

1514
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 1: how to survive in in you know, far flung places

1515
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: or in when you're alone. But we rarely talk about

1516
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: and this happens in other types of of bird hunting

1517
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: as well, upland hunting. As you well know, this is

1518
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: a thing. You know, you're walking in line with a

1519
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: bunch of guys with shotguns. Um, here you're in close

1520
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: quarters with a bunch of shotguns and a bunch of

1521
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: individuals you don't know, and there's a certain level of trust.

1522
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 1: Accidents happen. But boy, this is man, this is that's tough.

1523
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: Even without ever meeting Dave or or knowing him, it's

1524
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: tough for me to hear man is a hunter knowing

1525
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: this is this, this could happen. Um, it happens more

1526
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: than we'd like it to. It does and you know, um,

1527
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: my friend who who is the guide. It's funny how people,

1528
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: you know, some people are just any excuse to to

1529
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 1: shoot on you or whatever. Since then, I haven't really

1530
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 1: heard much buzz, but like on some of our our

1531
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: local social media pages or whatever, you know, you'll hear

1532
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 1: you always hear that that stupid comment. Well, it's the

1533
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: guide and this guide is absolutely probably, if not in

1534
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:55,839
Speaker 1: my opinion, the best waterfowl guide in Quebec and security wise,

1535
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 1: he does everything by the book. I try and and

1536
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 1: and and be the same way. When I'm in Saskatchewan,

1537
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: Bill does it when he is there. Claudio will do it.

1538
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: In Alberta. H an accident happens. Man. Unfortunately we were

1539
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: involved in a sport or an activity where our accidents

1540
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: don't forgive um. That evening, when I got home and

1541
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: I called Clothe, my boss and Saskatchewan, he was still

1542
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: he was still in camp. I needed I needed to

1543
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: talk to him about a couple of things, and you know,

1544
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring him up to speed because for

1545
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: sure someone was going to call and tell him that

1546
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: I was there and involved. I made a point to

1547
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: tell him, I'm like, you know what, dude, I don't

1548
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: care how much money they pay next year. I truly don't.

1549
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: And if you're my client and you're hearing this, I'm sorry,

1550
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't care how much money you pay if you

1551
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: don't have the the head, or the intelligence or the

1552
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: decency to listen and to try and be safe. When

1553
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: you're in a blind with three, four or five other people,

1554
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: you yourself, you could be your family member. Then you

1555
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: know what, get back in your car, go away from

1556
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: me in the car, and we'll refund your money if

1557
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: you want to go home. But there ain't no Mallard.

1558
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 1: As much as I live killing Millards. Ain't no Millard

1559
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: worth my life or my dog or yours or anybody

1560
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: else's for that matter. Um and and and it's unfortunate.

1561
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:26,560
Speaker 1: It takes something like this to open your eyes as onto,

1562
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, to being secure and being safe. I went

1563
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 1: on my my after the fact that I told my

1564
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 1: wife I wasn't gonna go hunting anymore. And I mean,

1565
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, Rosa, she's as tough as they come, as

1566
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: far as wives go. Or she backs me up and

1567
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,759
Speaker 1: everything I want to do. And so she was relieved,

1568
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: like she wasn't she was scared when I called her

1569
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: that day, and like everyone else, she thought something happened

1570
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: to Maverick. And when I told her no, unfortunately, some

1571
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: other guys paid the price for an accident. Like she

1572
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: was in panic. Um. I got invited on a hunt

1573
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: and I and I ended up going with another another

1574
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: guide and it was with some guys that I hunted

1575
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: with before, so it put me a little bit. Maybe

1576
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: it made my getting back into it a little bit easier,

1577
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: right because I know the guy next to me is

1578
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:19,839
Speaker 1: it's very, very aware of his surroundings and doesn't take needless,

1579
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: needless chances. And then like last week was the first

1580
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: time I went back on a hunt in one of

1581
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 1: those a frame style blinds, like where that accident happened,

1582
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: and the guy who invited me knew and he forced

1583
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: me to go. He goes, you need to get back

1584
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: on track and back. So he sat next to me

1585
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: and he put his hand on my shoulder and it

1586
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: was like it was you know, it was I know,

1587
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: I know we're all big, tough guys, but I'm here

1588
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: if if there's anything, and I'm like, no, no, this

1589
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: will be okay. And you know that you could be

1590
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 1: as tough as you want, but that that transition to

1591
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 1: get back into. It's important that you do it if

1592
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: you want to keep doing it, but it's import you

1593
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: do with the right people. And uh, you know, like

1594
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: life is short and could be taken at any time,

1595
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: and as water fowlers, as hunters, as a small game hunters,

1596
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: deer hunters. I've heard stories of guys shooting because they

1597
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: saw a bush move, like Jesus Christ. Is that dear

1598
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: worth having that on your conscience forever? You know, Well,

1599
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: there's certain types of these accidents that we focus on,

1600
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: whether it's just because of frequency or you know, you

1601
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: talk about places like Wisconsin, in Michigan, there's always a

1602
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: handful of people that that die in hunting accidents. You know,

1603
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: in the opening day a rifle season like this is

1604
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: a it happens. I don't have numbers in my head.

1605
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: I don't have a list of statistics here, but it happens.

1606
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: We hear about it, we know it, especially here at

1607
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: this company. We we try to address it when we can.

1608
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: Um but this, you know, when you told me about this,

1609
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,679
Speaker 1: I have always said of folks around me, I'm always

1610
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: more worried about safety in a duct blind. I don't

1611
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: think duck blind was at the top, but I think

1612
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: in an upland situation was always my top worry. When

1613
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: you're walking around and birds can flush any direction and

1614
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: people might not know you're there, even if you're wearing orange,

1615
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: even if you're communicating. When you're walking in aligned with

1616
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 1: someone and there's so much unknown, you really have to

1617
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 1: trust that person beside you, um, you know, to be

1618
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: as as sound as they can. Um. It's waterfowl season

1619
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: in many many places here, Like I said, we were

1620
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: just out, you know, hunting geese and doing things and

1621
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 1: this when you told me this, it just made me

1622
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: think that my life, my son's life, these things I

1623
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: could not imagine being on either end of this obviously, um,

1624
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: and even your end of it. What it would make

1625
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 1: you think about what, you know, what's worth and and

1626
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: strangely enough, as you as you mentioned there, man, like

1627
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 1: in a time of COVID, it kind of makes you

1628
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: think about because we're all thinking about death a little

1629
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: more than we used to. There's a ticker on the

1630
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: news that says how many people are dying of a thing,

1631
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, um, And so we're all kind of thinking

1632
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: about our immortality a little bit. Then a little more

1633
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: than normal when something like this happens. I'm sure that

1634
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: that's unavoidable, you know, has to be. And it's just

1635
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: what do you do next? You know, how can you

1636
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: prevent this from happening again and be an agent of

1637
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: change to make sure maybe you do save someone's life

1638
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: just by giving a speech and being really serious about

1639
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: it next time. Maybe maybe someone's life to save. Maybe not,

1640
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: but um, you certainly, you certainly have a chance. Well

1641
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: I agree with you. UM, I believe you know, when

1642
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: it's your time, it's your time. That's why that's about

1643
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: to tell my wife so she should leave me alone

1644
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: when I wanted to go back out. Um, this is

1645
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, I could leave the house today and get

1646
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: it by a car and it's your timement's your time.

1647
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: But having said that, we need to put a lot

1648
01:27:55,360 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 1: more emphasis on on being safe. Usually in those a frames,

1649
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: it's usually way safer than when when we when we

1650
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 1: hunt in coffins, um, layoff lines and you know, I mean, look,

1651
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: it happened. I hope to god it never happens to

1652
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: anybody ever again, will it? Probably? Unfortunately? Um, But you know,

1653
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 1: if you you got to try and put as as

1654
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 1: as as much on your side as possible by by

1655
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: making people aware. You take your safety when you're standing up,

1656
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, and make sure your footing is sure. If

1657
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: you've never shot a gun with a three and a

1658
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 1: half inch magnum before and don't know what kind of

1659
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: recoil you're gonna get that I've seen it put guys

1660
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 1: back on their on their asses after they shoot, you know. Um,

1661
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: all of these factors help. Is it foolproof? No, it's not.

1662
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: It'll you know, it'll never be. But I know that

1663
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 1: for myself and for a lot of the guys around me. Um,

1664
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm taking this very very tragic event and and I'm

1665
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: gonna turn it as positive as I can, especially when

1666
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with clients, and you know, believe me, I'd

1667
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: rather to be angry with me for yelling at him

1668
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: for clicking their safety off, then learn forbid shooting the

1669
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: guy or you know what I mean, or hurting or

1670
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: I'd much rather they be angry with me and then

1671
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: have to live with that. You know. Yeah, there's nothing

1672
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: worth that too. And when you think, when I think

1673
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: over my waterfowl hunting experience, I've been in pitlines on

1674
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 1: the edge of marshes that in the in the in

1675
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,919
Speaker 1: January or December, where everything's frozen. The metal rails are frozen.

1676
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: You have waiters on that you just jumped in the

1677
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: water to go pull some some decoys. They get slippery.

1678
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: You have to lean your gun up against a metal rack,

1679
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't have something, uh something that holds

1680
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: your gun, it can slide where the other. You know,

1681
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: trigger control is essential. I've shot I've been in uh

1682
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, roving boat blinds, hunting sea ducks, in in

1683
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: on the edge of the Potomac River. Um. I've been

1684
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: in layout blinds in the middle of the channel in

1685
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 1: Maine where I'm floating there by myself. Uh So I

1686
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: start to like replay all of those scenarios, and each

1687
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 1: of them has their its own, um, cautionary tale in

1688
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: terms of what might happen if you don't understand trigger

1689
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: control and you don't understand when that safety has to

1690
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 1: be on, and even beyond that, you're putting yourself into

1691
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: in a relatively dangerous situation. Um. And it's just good

1692
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: to recognize that. I think if people can hear your

1693
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 1: story and just recognize, yes, we don't want to think

1694
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: about the danger in these situations. We want to have

1695
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 1: a good time, but man, like some level of awareness,

1696
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, some intense level of awareness of what is

1697
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: actually happening there, even though it's fun and exciting and intense,

1698
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: is so important. It's it's you know. And never let

1699
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: that social pressure of being, like you said, yelling at

1700
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 1: your clients for being the dickhead and the blind. Never

1701
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 1: let that social pressure stop you from um speaking up

1702
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 1: or or acting the way that you feel as the safest. Look.

1703
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 1: There's there's a guide the guides with the guides here

1704
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: in Quebec. His name is Dmitri, and he huntsled with

1705
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: me a lot all the time. And when he used

1706
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: to see me and Steve with our our life jackets

1707
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 1: on in the morning, and I used to tell him, Dmitri,

1708
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: you should wear a life jacket. And they finally, after

1709
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 1: all this last season, he started wearing his life jacket

1710
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: even when we when we get off the big boat

1711
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: and go onto the little boat. And one morning this

1712
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 1: year he looked at me and he was like, you

1713
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 1: know what, bro, because I'm so glad I listened to you.

1714
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: I go why he goes, because I zigged when I

1715
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: should have zagged with the boat the other day, and

1716
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 1: the boat flipped over, and it was a part of

1717
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 1: the march that was a little too deep, and that

1718
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 1: life jacket just kept me afloat enough to to to

1719
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: to wait those ten feet to get to where I

1720
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 1: could have got out. He goes, all I thought of

1721
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: was you. I'm like, wow, I don't know, bro, you

1722
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: got You're on a boat. I mean, I swim very well,

1723
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: but not with not with waiters and twenty pounds of

1724
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: almo in my pockets, and I don't swim. I don't

1725
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: know anybody who could swim well in that situation, you

1726
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, there's so much, so

1727
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: you just like you can review all that in your mind.

1728
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: But I appreciate you sharing it. I understand that. You know,

1729
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to make light of anything that happened there.

1730
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: We want to just kind of tell the story, let

1731
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: people learn from it. Um. Like you said, accidents happen

1732
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 1: and to people's lives, and at some level, your life

1733
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,759
Speaker 1: is to be changed for a long time. And uh,

1734
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: it's just that's unfortunate, but it's you know, I appreciate

1735
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: you sharing because I do think people can learn something

1736
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 1: from it and as we talked about it in the

1737
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 1: very beginning. I'm teaching a young boy to understand the outdoors,

1738
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: and um, you know, stories like this are key to

1739
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: helping him and me understand that process, um, you know,

1740
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: and when to have heightened sense and when to relax.

1741
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: And man, that's a tough that's a tough equation. But this,

1742
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: this is helpful. Yeah, for sure. If I could tell

1743
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: people or anybody like you know guides, I mean, all

1744
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 1: of us we have that that attitude like uh, take

1745
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 1: off of the boat in the middle of the night,

1746
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: no lights on and don't worry and we're good. It

1747
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 1: takes a little thing, buddy, to bring your to bring

1748
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: reality back into perspective. And yeah, you know, not, like

1749
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not perfect, far from it. I'm sure

1750
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: I've done things that if I if I really sit

1751
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: down and analyze it, or like maybe that was if

1752
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have I shouldn't have took that shot, or

1753
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have spun around in the blind and shot

1754
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 1: him back, or you know what I mean. But we've

1755
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,879
Speaker 1: got to try and control the controllable to some degree.

1756
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: And I think, um like footing or how you control

1757
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: your gun or hold your gun. That's controllable stuff. You know,

1758
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: when you load your gun is a big one too.

1759
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: You know, then you keep your action open. You know,

1760
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: when it's closed, whether it's in battery or not. Like

1761
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: understanding those little little moments and in hunting can be

1762
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 1: can be a life or death thing at the end

1763
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 1: of the day. So the pressure should be on us

1764
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: to do it right and to understand that we need

1765
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: to hold others to account at some level. Right, it's

1766
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 1: hard to be. Like you said, the social pressure is real.

1767
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:16,759
Speaker 1: You don't want to be the dude, you know, telling

1768
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 1: your friends to quit this and quit that. And you

1769
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 1: know that's a hard thing to do sometimes. And I

1770
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: recognize that. So when it's your friends, when it's your friends,

1771
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: it's the hardest, just the hardest, man, it really is.

1772
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 1: And that's that's and and you know what that's when

1773
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: something is going to go wrong when it's your friends. Yeah, yeah,

1774
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 1: so that's that's good man. Well, I appreciate it. I

1775
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: definitely we were talking about the other day. I definitely

1776
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 1: want to make it up Skatchewan man. I'd love to

1777
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: make it back to quell back and uh then hunt

1778
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: bears either way. Um, where can people find your your

1779
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: guiding and and what do you want to tell them

1780
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 1: about that part of it? Well, listen, I'm you know,

1781
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on social media Armando and Ditozi on on

1782
01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: Facebook or Safari Dude on Instagram. UM. The outfit I

1783
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 1: guide for is called Great Great outfit Ter um or

1784
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 1: Western Trophy. They both linked to each other. Benny, you

1785
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 1: know you're for sure coming up this year. As soon

1786
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:16,719
Speaker 1: as they opened those borders, we've we It's been five

1787
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: years that we haven't hunted together, and we're do you

1788
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 1: We're we're do. We're do for a good heart to heart.

1789
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: The last one we had was in Vegas on those

1790
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 1: awesome chairs when you worked at Yet. Do you remember

1791
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 1: those chairs were just like I just you know you

1792
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 1: go through like traiteous season and that that those chairs

1793
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:39,799
Speaker 1: could save a man's life. Yeah, Rosa really wanted those chairs.

1794
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 1: She really wanted them. I don't get as many free

1795
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: chairs as I used to. Yeah, man, you know, hopefully

1796
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: we can I record all my heart to hearts now,

1797
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: hopefully you can get get together in camp and man,

1798
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: I would love to see your family again and spend

1799
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,839
Speaker 1: some time up there. Man. I, like I said, I'm

1800
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 1: grateful that you came on and it's been too long,

1801
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:05,759
Speaker 1: and um man, best your family until to those involved

1802
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 1: in that tragedy. Tragedy, I wish you weren't here to

1803
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 1: talk about that, um and that wasn't kind of the ending.

1804
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 1: But just anybody out there, if you want to, you'll

1805
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: go with a wonderful person who values the outdoors the

1806
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 1: way that I do. And you all do this. This

1807
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: guy right here we're talking to is is one of

1808
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 1: the tops in the in the outdoors or just in

1809
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: the in Canada, but it doesn't matter where. Uh. He

1810
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: can speak French to you, he can quote step brothers

1811
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: to you. He can do anything you need. Armando, All right,

1812
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 1: Armando man, we'll talk to you soon. I really really

1813
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on and telling stories. Bro, this

1814
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: was awesome, you know. Uh. For for those that want

1815
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 1: to know more about Benny and before he had hair

1816
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,600
Speaker 1: on his chest, you can look me up. I'll be

1817
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 1: glad to share some stories. Uh. No, seriously, but thank you.

1818
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 1: That's a danger this proposition. I'm so happy for you

1819
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: and and how far you've come in this life. Uh,

1820
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: and I'm grateful to have been a part of it,

1821
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: and I look forward to many more adventures together. Buddy.

1822
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: Hopefully I get drawn to come to the Montana and

1823
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 1: kill an elk this year with you. But you're for

1824
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: sure coming to Quebec, so you've at either Quebec or

1825
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 1: likely Saskatchewan. We'll have some fun there. I want you

1826
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: to meet clothed and we'll kill birds and go catch

1827
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: some fish and we'll have a good time. Uh. And

1828
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: until then, God bless you, buddy, get my best to

1829
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 1: the wife and the kids, and we'll talk again soon. Yeah,

1830
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: right back at your man to see you later. That's it.

1831
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 1: That's all another episode in the books. Thank you to

1832
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 1: Armando into Tozie for sharing himself a little bit and

1833
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: also his story his tragedy from the duck Blind. Like

1834
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 1: as I said before we heard it, Um, it was uncomfortable,

1835
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: it was, but it was important. Um. And I'm sad

1836
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 1: for the family of the man who died, and I'm

1837
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: sad for everyone involved, but we can all learn from it.

1838
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 1: So let's just do that. And Um, over the next

1839
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, we're gonna be really putting some nails

1840
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 1: in the Phil's first hunt. We're gonna like figure out

1841
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: exactly what it's gonna be we're gonna set some dates.

1842
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna stick to it. Phil, We're not gonna let

1843
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: We're not gonna let all the pressures in our life

1844
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: of family and job get in the way of your

1845
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 1: first hunting adventures. So, um you ready? I am ready

1846
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 1: see that? All right? Well, I expect it's the next

1847
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 1: week on the show. I'll expect to be playing some

1848
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: sort of voicemail from Eric Hall encouraging this and given

1849
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 1: us ideas. We're gonna need you. Eric, call anybody else

1850
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: in the cult that we al kay Cock, anybody listening really, um,

1851
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 1: Mike Peterson, all of our beloved, beloved THHC members please

1852
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: help us out here. Um. Well, before he gets to

1853
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 1: the end of the show, I um, I have a

1854
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 1: new favorite song, Phil. You've heard it? I have, yeah.

1855
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,840
Speaker 1: Christopher Peters wrote in UM that he's a long time listener,

1856
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: first time writer. I just wanted to share with you

1857
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 1: this song as I thought you may enjoy the subject matter.

1858
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: The song is called White Claw, Wasted and des by

1859
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: one of my favorite artists named Kayla Ray the song

1860
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: He linked it below. He also said, for for Phil,

1861
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: I didn't start hunting until I was an adult. I

1862
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: was twenty one, nine years ago. I think you're going

1863
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,719
Speaker 1: to enjoy it, and I can't wait to hear about

1864
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 1: your first hunt. Thanks for a consistently great show, Chris Peters,

1865
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 1: Thanks Chris, uh white Claw Wasted. I listened to it. Phil,

1866
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 1: you listen to it. I got it. I have an

1867
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 1: idea I don't. I'm sure Kayla Ray does not listened

1868
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,839
Speaker 1: to this show. I am sure of it. I'm surprised

1869
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: that anyone does. But Kaylea, if you're listening, and I'm

1870
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,719
Speaker 1: gonna send you all kinds of messages on every platform.

1871
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: Me and Phil very much wants you just sing the

1872
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 1: new theme song, the one theme song four the Hunting

1873
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 1: Collector for t HC. We we want you to. We

1874
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: want to write original song and have you sing it.

1875
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 1: It would be glorious. All you listeners could could get

1876
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 1: involved in this. I needed to be Kayla Ray, so

1877
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,759
Speaker 1: we we're gonna respect her and wait for her to

1878
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 1: to jump on board with this idea. But Phil is

1879
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 1: gonna play for you a little bit of white Claw

1880
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 1: Wasted on the way out um of this episode. So

1881
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see you next week for episode one

1882
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,799
Speaker 1: sixty one. Enjoy a little bit of white claw wasted.

1883
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: Because you can't judge a man by the size of

1884
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 1: his can. Phil you really can't say bye goodbye. He's

1885
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 1: are going to get white clone wasted. It's a hard

1886
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:52,679
Speaker 1: silch or not boody. He can just taste it. Kate

1887
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 1: June's are hard on a white clone man by the

1888
01:40:56,160 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: size of his kate. He knows all the black punk's

1889
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 1: greatest hits it up the girls when you're working for

1890
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 1: just the tipsy isn't what he can because he's a

1891
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 1: white cloone man. He don't overcompensate with no told boy

1892
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be very fair, and all boys holding hands

1893
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 1: with his cane. He's a white cloone man and he's

1894
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 1: gonna get white cloon wasted. It's a hard selt or not,

1895
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 1: but he can just taste it. He can't judge the

1896
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 1: herd on a white clow man by the size of

1897
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 1: his cane. The maid lies around his as judge approve

1898
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:54,600
Speaker 1: of better clothes gone by, but he'll do it again.

1899
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 1: He's a white clone man and it's gonna get white

1900
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 1: clone waist. It's hard self or not, but he can

1901
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:10,759
Speaker 1: just taste it. Don't judge your hard on a white

1902
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 1: clone man by the size of his cane. Say you

1903
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 1: can't judge the herd on a white clone man by

1904
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: the size of his cave.