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Speaker 1: It's Sunday, September twenty eighth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the Road Forward.

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Speaker 1: This past week, the nation watched as Charlie Kirk's life

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Speaker 1: was remembered and honored. The country witnessed goodness and beauty,

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Speaker 1: where in the wake of senseless violence and politicized killing,

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Speaker 1: the right chose not to riot, but instead to worship

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Speaker 1: the One True and Living God. Worship is our weapon,

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Speaker 1: and its power was felt all across the nation and

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Speaker 1: around the world. We have the most powerful leaders of

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Speaker 1: the most powerful country on the planet proclaiming the gospel

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Speaker 1: of Christ's lordship and salvation. There's truly no better picture

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Speaker 1: of Romans Chapter eight, verse twenty eight. And that's our

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Speaker 1: scripture reading this morning. All things God works together for

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Speaker 1: the good of those who love Him and who are

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Speaker 1: called according to His purpose. As always, we want to

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Speaker 1: be an encouragement and a source of comfort for our

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Speaker 1: listeners and our viewers to hold fast to the Gospel

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Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ and the unchanging Word of God. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ryan helphin Bay and I'll be filling in for doctor

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Speaker 1: Tim Clinton. I'll be your host. Today on the show,

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Speaker 1: we have doctor Zach Clinton, Amy Robbins, William Wolfe, and

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Speaker 1: Virgil Walker.

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Speaker 2: Come saw Him, Come with us Christ Love Sworthy.

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Speaker 3: being a part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is doctor Zach Clinton, who is actually

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Speaker 1: at the American Association of Christian Counselor's World Conference at

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Speaker 1: the Gaylord Opryland Resort in Nashville. Doctor Zach Clinton, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: It's great to see you, sir Ryan, my friend.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 4: to just joining you. I'm telling you, God is doing

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Speaker 4: something special in this place you mentioned at Gaylord Operland Hotel, Nashville, Tennessee,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five United World Conference, seven thousand pastors, counselors, coaches, clinicians,

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Speaker 4: Strong God, His presence has fallen all over this place

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Speaker 4: and our hope in prayer. I was talking to my

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Speaker 4: dad just last night about this. What do we hope

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Speaker 4: that people walk away with? It wouldn't be that they

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Speaker 4: rejoice in what happened here, but it would be that

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Speaker 4: they rejoice and who God is. They can walk away

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Speaker 4: with a better understanding of who he is. I think

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Speaker 4: that we've done our job.

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Speaker 1: A men, I would be remissed. You know, so much

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Speaker 1: of what the nation is still thinking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: still fresh on the impression on the minds of young

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Speaker 1: people everywhere. Is what transpired last week at the National

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Speaker 1: Memorial there for Charles James Kirk, a friend of yours,

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine, a friend of so many and

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Speaker 1: your father and I we were there, were there many

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Speaker 1: of our friends with the National Faith Advisory Board and

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Speaker 1: with Turning Point Turning Point Faith, the Standing for Freedom Center.

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Speaker 1: We had many fellows in those early days when we

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Speaker 1: were starting this organization with Charlie Kirk. Just your thoughts,

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Speaker 1: your impression about what you saw, what you think the

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Speaker 1: nation is feeling right now in the wake of this

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Speaker 1: sort of this tragic moment, but also a pivotal moment,

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Speaker 1: a turning point. Many people are calling it right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, I heard somebody say that maybe Charlie

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Speaker 4: didn't understand why he named a turning point up front,

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Speaker 4: but it was almost prophetic in nature, because I do

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Speaker 4: believe that this is a turning point in our nation.

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Speaker 4: I think we've seen this over the last year or

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Speaker 4: two as well. Yes, there's a mental health disaster that

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Speaker 4: we're in. That's kind of why we gather to continue

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Speaker 4: to train and counsel and equip all of these mental

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Speaker 4: health experts around the globe. But also there's a hunger

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Speaker 4: for holiness. There's a bit of revival going on. And

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Speaker 4: what we saw on Sunday to see an administration that

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Speaker 4: was bold enough to present the Gospel every single one

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Speaker 4: of them in some way, shape or form, I don't

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Speaker 4: know if I ever would have seen that across my lifetime.

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Speaker 4: It's sad that it had to happen in the way

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Speaker 4: that it did. And I'll say this, Charlie, like you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: was a friend to all of us. And Charlie is

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Speaker 4: somebody who unwaveringly was devoted to standing on truth, and

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Speaker 4: truth can be offensive sometimes, and I just want to

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Speaker 4: remind people that while fear is contagious, so is faith.

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Speaker 4: Billy Graham says this that courage is contagious when a

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Speaker 4: brave man takes his stand as fines of others are

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Speaker 4: often stiff, and I think that we're being that. My

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Speaker 4: prayer for the church, though, is that it wouldn't just

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Speaker 4: be an upscale in voices, but that we would choose

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Speaker 4: more like Christ. And because that's what I think Charlie

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Speaker 4: Kirk really lived by it.

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Speaker 5: He absolutely did.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's interesting you had mentioned Charlie naming

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Speaker 1: it turning point and not maybe fully understanding why. But

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Speaker 1: in the full providence of God, in the unfolding of time,

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Speaker 1: it became clear that Charlie would be the catalyst for

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Speaker 1: a turning point. You know, on Sunday, the nation was

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Speaker 1: united in the name of Jesus Christ, the name that

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Speaker 1: is above every name. I'm seeing people who are not

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Speaker 1: Christians making declarations of faith and of trust in Jesus

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Speaker 1: Christ in the Gospel, which is fantastic. People were united.

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Speaker 1: Your theme, the theme of your conference right now for

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Speaker 1: these seven thousand Christian councilors is united. Wow, what are

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Speaker 1: the odds of that? This is a unified brother? So

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Speaker 1: why did you pick that title?

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Speaker 4: You know, hear this, a lot of people will say, well,

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Speaker 4: they probably chose it because of what's happened over the

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Speaker 4: last couple of weeks. This title of being united actually

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Speaker 4: was brought about back in twenty twenty two. So all

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Speaker 4: of like the graphics. All of the themes are decided

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Speaker 4: years in advance as we pray over what we believe

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Speaker 4: that God wants that theme to be and again, in

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Speaker 4: his divine providence, he wanted that theme to be right here,

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Speaker 4: right now, for such a time as this, And there

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Speaker 4: couldn't be a better theme because we have people from

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Speaker 4: all over again with different belief systems, but at the

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Speaker 4: same time, one thing that we have in common is

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Speaker 4: the name of Jesus Christ that we are going to

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Speaker 4: advocate for, that we're going to provide awareness of, and

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Speaker 4: that we're going to continue to give access to in

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Speaker 4: this line of mental health care. And so what it

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Speaker 4: means to be united to me is simply this that

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Speaker 4: there is honestly power in partnership. There's comfort and couraging community,

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Speaker 4: and that resilience is rooted in relationship. When we stand together,

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Speaker 4: we simply stand stronger.

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Speaker 1: A man, you know, you've got a lot lot of

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Speaker 1: things going on that AACC is a critical partner in.

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Speaker 5: That includes the White House, that includes.

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Speaker 1: Many of the cabinet secretaries, agencies in the federal government.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of touch on some of these

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Speaker 1: things right now. Programs that are coming out I know

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Speaker 1: about walking Worthy and some of these other things, so

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Speaker 1: I would love to just kind of extrapolate on what

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, so two big ones that stick out to me

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Speaker 4: are Walkworthy and then helping our heroes flourish campaign walk

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Speaker 4: Worthy though. First, dear friend of mine Joshua Brum who

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Speaker 4: has a testimony as it relates to pornography and sexual addiction,

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Speaker 4: actually working in that industry, building his way up to

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Speaker 4: becoming Performer of the Year over a thousand films in

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Speaker 4: the adult film industry, was radically transformed by the good

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Speaker 4: News of the Gospel. Now for the last decade he's

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Speaker 4: devoted his life to helping people seek and find help

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Speaker 4: when it comes to sexual purity and integrity. So this

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Speaker 4: is a new and initiative and division of ours at

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Speaker 4: the AACC. One of the greatest issues in the church,

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Speaker 4: you know this Ryan is pornography, sexual addiction. So it

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Speaker 4: is we help equip resources for the church to do

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Speaker 4: that very thing. Helping our heroes flourish is really around

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Speaker 4: helping those who risk it all and put themselves on

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Speaker 4: the line each and every day. For our veterans, our

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Speaker 4: first responders active due to active duty military and their families.

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Speaker 4: How can we train up in army of clinicians and

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Speaker 4: coaches to provide the resource and shrink the gap between

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Speaker 4: those seeking help in those offering christ centered biblical care

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Speaker 4: two great ideals.

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Speaker 1: I do want to touch a touch on this because

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Speaker 1: you know you you being a biblically trained counselor understanding

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Speaker 1: the science also behind how the human mind works, right,

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Speaker 1: there's some intricacies there. Often times we hear about post

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Speaker 1: traumatic stress disorder, it's a syndrome. Tell us a little

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Speaker 1: bit about that. I mean, I think I think people

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Speaker 1: But if these guys are on the front lines, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about people who are in combat situations, but

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Speaker 1: then also first responders, people that are facing mass shooter events.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about natural disasters, fires where there's a dramatic

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Speaker 1: people who we lost and never recovered. How big is

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Speaker 1: PTSD when it comes to the mental health field?

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Speaker 4: PTSD is massive, Brian. I think the reality is that

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Speaker 4: trauma has almost become a buzzword in culture and society.

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Speaker 4: People will say that anything that they experience is traumatic

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Speaker 4: in some way, shape or the form. But being able

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Speaker 4: to realize what trauma does. Trauma really almost compartmentalizes the brain,

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Speaker 4: and sometimes it puts us in this state of implicit

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Speaker 4: memory where it's like when we're experienced with something, when

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Speaker 4: we're triggered in some way, shape or form, what ends

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Speaker 4: up happening is it's not like we're just remembering a moment.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like we're re experiencing that moment all over

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Speaker 4: again in this particular time. Vander Kulk has an incredible

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Speaker 4: book on trauma called The Body Keeps the Score the

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Speaker 4: brain mind body connection and so providing opportunity for people

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Speaker 4: to come so learn how to experience, explore, and express

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Speaker 4: their emotions, to unpackage trauma because if we don't process it,

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Speaker 4: it will resurface later in life. And so not suppress

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Speaker 4: do that in relationship, I think that's how we'll see

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Speaker 4: kind of a detox of trauma in our world today.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely tell us a little bit too. Curriculum. There is a.

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Speaker 1: You have a global center at Liberty University right now

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Speaker 1: on human flourishing, and so I just if you wanted

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Speaker 1: to speak into that a little bit, I'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear more about that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, keep flourishing something that I wrote my dissertation

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Speaker 4: around it. But I'll tell you that it's not new age.

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Speaker 4: It's not something that just came up with last year.

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Speaker 4: This goes all the way back to ancient Biblical times.

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Speaker 4: In the Old Testament it was referred to as Shalom wholeness, peace, unity,

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Speaker 4: and the New Testament machiros blessedness, the abundant life. So

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Speaker 4: this is something that God designed for his people. Now,

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Speaker 4: pain and distractions and the devil he's been doing the

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Speaker 4: same things, the same tactics from the very beginning, delusion, destruction,

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Speaker 4: deception to deter and distract us from God's original design

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Speaker 4: for creation and children. But can we train up an

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Speaker 4: army of people. That's why we came out with the

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Speaker 4: Human Flourishing Coaching program to remind people it's not just

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Speaker 4: about preventing human suffering. It's about promoting things like flourishing,

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Speaker 4: like resilience, so no matter what we go through, we

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Speaker 4: might be able to define it as good and push

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Speaker 1: Okay, final thing before a sendoff, Doctor Zach Clinton. Favorite

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Speaker 1: Bible verse for us today.

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Speaker 4: My favorite Bible verse that I've been reflecting on right

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Speaker 4: now in this season. Firstessalonians four Versus eleven to twelve.

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Speaker 4: To make it your aim or ambition to live a

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Speaker 4: just as you've been instructed, why so that you might

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Speaker 4: win the respective outsiders and not grow dependent on anybody.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Ryan, It's great to be here with you.

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Speaker 5: Joining me now is Virgil Walker.

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Speaker 1: Virgil is a contributor and writer with the Standing for

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Speaker 1: Freedom Center. He's also co host of the Just Thinking podcast,

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Speaker 1: author of numerous books.

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Speaker 5: Virgil, Welcome to study the Road Forward. Great to see you.

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Speaker 10: Oh it's good to be with you, Ryan. Thanks for

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Speaker 10: having me.

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Speaker 1: I know you were with me just last week last

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Speaker 1: Sunday in Phoenix, honoring paying tribute to the life of

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. Certainly there to ultimately exalt the name that

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Speaker 1: is above every name, the name at which every niche

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Speaker 1: about tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the

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Speaker 1: glory of God the Father. We're there to exalt Jesus.

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Speaker 1: There's a turning point that has come, I think in

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Speaker 1: the United States. But the question right now that looms

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Speaker 1: large among many evangelicals that have been watching, I think,

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Speaker 1: some with hope, some with frustration about what we've seen

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Speaker 1: in the evangelical world going all the way back to

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, social justice theory, critical race theory,

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Speaker 1: all this stuff kind of going into the large denominations,

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Speaker 1: the PCA, the Southern Baptist convention. Think about what happened

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Speaker 1: in COVID, the Floyd you know, riots that were happening

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Speaker 1: all across the country, BLM, all of that. The question

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Speaker 1: is this a turning point for evangelicalism? And I think

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Speaker 1: this is the thesis and everybody's asking it. You and

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Speaker 1: I have talked about it.

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Speaker 5: Which way is it? Keller? Is it Tim Keller?

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Speaker 1: Is it more this cultural engagement kind of thing, or

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Speaker 1: is it a new kind of paradigm, one that's been

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Speaker 1: with us actually for a really long time, but one

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Speaker 1: that has been dismissed by the intelligentsia of the evangelical world,

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Speaker 1: and that is Charlie Kirk. You know Charlie Kirk, which

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Speaker 1: is a kind of robust conservative political engagement that is

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Speaker 1: no holds barred when it comes to truth, any topic,

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Speaker 1: nothing is off limits. We'll talk about any political issue.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and we'll take a strong position and we'll

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Speaker 1: give you the gospel.

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Speaker 5: How about that? How about them apples? What's going on?

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Speaker 5: In your view? Is there kind of a reappraisal happening?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: No, I think in your opening you kind of traced

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Speaker 6: it out from you know, at twenty sixteen on and

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Speaker 6: what we saw was this slide into a more a

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Speaker 6: softening stance on issue as it relates to gender, as

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Speaker 6: it relates to ethnicity, you know, as it relates to

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Speaker 6: homosexuality and marriage, all.

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Speaker 10: Of these issues.

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Speaker 6: The church felt very embarrassed about declaring God's word. They

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Speaker 6: felt embarrassed about saying what God said in his word

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Speaker 6: about these subjects. And so the idea was, hey, let's

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Speaker 6: soften those stances. Let's kind of model more comfortable, you know,

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Speaker 6: a more accommodating approach to addressing these issues. And when

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Speaker 6: that takes place, what happens is the truth ultimately gets shielded.

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Speaker 6: The truth ultimately does it come out. And so we

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Speaker 6: had the Tim Keller's that whole methodology really begun to

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Speaker 6: have impact, and we saw an inflection point with it

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Speaker 6: right around twenty twenty with George Floyd and the Social

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Speaker 6: justice movement. What's transpired since is we've watched all the

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Speaker 6: wickedness that followed. Right, We've watched BLM take money off

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Speaker 6: of the backs of dead black men and utilize it

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Speaker 6: to buy houses in white secluded areas. We've witnessed the decay,

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Speaker 6: the absolute decay, and the ill intent of some of

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Speaker 6: these organizations as they've siphoned off money and done and

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Speaker 6: really robbed the communities in which they claimed that they

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Speaker 6: were supporting the help. What we also witness is is

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Speaker 6: Charlie and his example, And we, like you said, this

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Speaker 6: past week, got a chance to memorialize that and think

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Speaker 6: about that and consider what he did and demonstrated for us,

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Speaker 6: all which was to speak rightly, to speak clearly, to

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Speaker 6: speak directly based upon what God's word says about these issues,

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Speaker 6: but to do so with the compassion of of a

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Speaker 6: of a lover of God, with the compassion of someone

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Speaker 6: who loves God, who loves people and wants to be

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Speaker 6: clear about the truth. And when doing so had a

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Speaker 6: massive impact, and we got a chance to witness it

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Speaker 6: for first hand at his memorial after his death.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, Virgil that you know I know that

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Speaker 1: there are many institutions out there that have kind of

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Speaker 1: perpetuated the false narrative.

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Speaker 5: I mean they become the centers. You know, this is

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Speaker 5: the official position.

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Speaker 1: We're going to pay our writers to promote these ideas

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Speaker 1: and disseminate them broadly. We're going to use the largest

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Speaker 1: pulpits in America, in the conservative evangelical world to be

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Speaker 1: kind of the bully pulpits for globalism, for wokeism, for

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Speaker 1: you know, any other kind of isms that you can name.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they are on their heels a

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Speaker 1: little bit? Do you think that they're going to be

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Speaker 1: in retreat. Do you think they're going to try and

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Speaker 1: pivot now and sort of accept what people now commonly understand.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there will be a paradigm shift or

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Speaker 1: do you think they're going to double down?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: No, I think these are people who have their feet

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Speaker 6: firmly planted in mid air.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 10: These are people who are following the winds of change. Uh.

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Speaker 6: And so they'll try to embrace what Charlie Kirk has done.

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Speaker 6: They'll try to embrace uh, or at least walk away.

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Speaker 6: They'll they'll begin walking away slowly kind of kind of

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Speaker 6: I think of that that that meme where the guy

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Speaker 6: kind of walks back into the bushes and kind of

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Speaker 6: high sea.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it'll be it'll be that.

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Speaker 6: Kind of approach to all of the social justice issues

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Speaker 6: that they so proudly proclaimed previously.

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Speaker 10: Right, what ends up happening in that instance?

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Speaker 6: And that's kind of in our conversation days ago that

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Speaker 6: we were having that's a That's a part of my

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Speaker 6: concern is that we'll have all these people who will

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Speaker 6: be heroes, who will cape up for the cause because

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Speaker 6: they recognize that this is the winning move. The winning

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Speaker 6: move has always been the winning move. And it's not

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Speaker 6: simply because Charlie did it. It's because Christ did it.

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Speaker 6: And that is to tell the truth, be clear about

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Speaker 6: the truth, love people in the midst of it.

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Speaker 10: But but but be a declarer of the truth.

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Speaker 6: Point to the like, point to God uh, and and

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Speaker 6: call and call people to repentance and faith and the

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Speaker 6: One true and Living God. My concern is that they'll

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Speaker 6: that they'll cape up for that cause for a season

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Speaker 6: uh and then when the when the winds of change

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Speaker 6: begin to flow, they'll begin to move in a different direction.

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Speaker 6: That's why I loved what you said the other day.

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Speaker 6: I guess I don't know if you were it was

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Speaker 6: when you were here talking together, but you say, you

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Speaker 6: need to decide what where you're going to stand. Are

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Speaker 6: you going to live, fight and die on truth? How

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Speaker 6: are you going Are you willing to go out on

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Speaker 6: your shield?

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Speaker 10: Is that? Are you willing to do that?

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Speaker 6: Because that's that's what our day and our time requires,

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Speaker 6: it requires men who are willing to go out to

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Speaker 6: die on their shield, to die on the basis of truth.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're welcome to stand on this rock. You're welcome

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Speaker 1: to come to it, even if you come to it late,

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Speaker 1: but come to it just the same. If you'll come

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Speaker 1: to this rock, you're welcome to it. But you better

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Speaker 1: stand here, you better stay here, you better build here,

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Speaker 1: you better fight here, and be willing to die on

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Speaker 1: this rock. There are a lot of people that I

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Speaker 1: think when the flood roters come, they swim over to

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Speaker 1: that rock. And when the flood waters are rising, they're

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Speaker 1: looking for the higher ground and they want to get

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Speaker 1: to it. But as soon as as soon as the

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Speaker 1: coast is clear, as soon as the danger dissipates, as

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Speaker 1: soon as tomorrow, the sun rises just the same and

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Speaker 1: there is no more dark looming clouds, there is no

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Speaker 1: more rain. All of a sudden, those summer soldiers, those

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Speaker 1: summer what do they call them, the sunshine patriots. You know,

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Speaker 1: they go right back to what they were doing before.

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Speaker 1: They're they're not winter soldiers. And Charlie, Charlie was in

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Speaker 1: the dog days. Charlie was on campus when it was unpopular.

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Speaker 1: There was a time when Charlie wasn't drawing those crowds.

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Speaker 1: There was a time when Charlie didn't have the fanatical

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Speaker 1: support or the social media followers.

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Speaker 5: There were a lot of naysayers.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of people that were dismissing them,

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Speaker 1: even when I was telling Virgil, you know some evangelic leaders. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But you've got to understand something. Charlie's changed on a

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Speaker 1: lot of these positions. I know, you know he took

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Speaker 1: the faithful marriage position, but he wasn't always that way

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Speaker 1: him personally. He was, but I'm just saying from a

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Speaker 1: platform he was not going to major on let me

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Speaker 1: defend traditional marriage. There was a period of time where

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Speaker 1: he wasn't doing that, and I was trying to explain

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Speaker 1: to them, look at the content he's making, would you

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Speaker 1: consider it now? And there were a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that were dismissive and a lot of people that were

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Speaker 1: not willing to give it a fair hearing. And now

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Speaker 1: only now are they willing to pay attention. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they're willing to listen in the way

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Speaker 1: of or learn in the way of Hey, maybe we

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Speaker 1: should adopt this new position final thoughts.

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Speaker 5: What would you say to those guys.

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Speaker 6: Today, Yeah, I'd say what you and I and others

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Speaker 6: have been saying, and that is that they need to

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Speaker 6: bow to the need the by their need to the

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Speaker 6: cross of Christ, to be consistent about the truth of

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Speaker 6: his word, the declaration of that truth to the culture,

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Speaker 6: and be willing to take whatever arrows the world sends

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Speaker 6: your way. Right, our ultimate goal is to stand on

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Speaker 6: the foundation of God's rock, on the rock of truth,

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Speaker 6: and knowing that that regardless of the outcome, whether we

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Speaker 6: live or die, we die in the Lord.

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Speaker 1: Whether we live or whether we die, we die in

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Speaker 1: the Lord. That passage out of Romans chapter fourteen, verse

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Speaker 1: eight that rings true, and Charlie did die a witness

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Speaker 1: for the Lord. Thank you so much, Virgil for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all you're doing at Redeemer out there, Redeemer Church

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Speaker 1: there in Gilbert, Arizona, and certainly for the Standing for

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Speaker 7: seven to two Patriot and make the switch today.

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Speaker 3: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 3: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 3: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now is William Wolfe. William is the executive

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Speaker 1: director of the Center for Baptist Leadership, as well as

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Speaker 1: a contributor to the Stating for Freedom Center.

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Speaker 5: William, Welcome to Sunday the Road Forward. Great to see you.

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Speaker 11: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, I was with you just last Sunday. It's been

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Speaker 1: a week. It's amazing how much can change in a week.

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Speaker 1: I think the nation and particularly the evangelical world has

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Speaker 1: been rocked by the assassination the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 1: who we lost on September the tenth. You know, it's interesting, William,

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Speaker 1: in the sort of the twist of it all. And

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Speaker 1: I haven't really talked about this much, but just I

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Speaker 1: think about all the vitriol, the hatred, the celebration sort

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Speaker 1: of in the aftermath of all of this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: everyone from Jimmy Kimmel to even people like David Brooks,

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Speaker 1: so called conservative commentator at the New York Times. Everybody

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Speaker 1: kind of finding a way to excuse their hatred, their animosity,

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Speaker 1: their antipathy towards Charlie and what he represented. I think

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Speaker 1: there is a moment right now where Christians and Conservatives

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Speaker 1: need to understand the art of pursuit. We're grateful for

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Speaker 1: Erica Kirk, her courage in her heart of forgiveness. It's

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Speaker 1: not up to Erica to wield the sword. It's up

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Speaker 1: to the state. It's not up to Erica to vindicate

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Speaker 1: her husband. She gives that to the Lord, but it's

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Speaker 1: up to us. I believe as Christians, of people of

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Speaker 1: faith and a people of goodwill, to see to it

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Speaker 1: that evil does not go unpunished. And I believe wholeheartedly

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Speaker 1: William that isn't just those who committed the crime, it's

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Speaker 1: those who celebrate the loss of life.

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Speaker 5: Those people should not go unpunished.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree entirely, Ryan. It was a wonderful, powerful

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Speaker 11: service out there in Phoenix, Arizona last Sunday. But we

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Speaker 11: are in a very perilous time, a precarious time. I

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Speaker 11: know that it's been about two and a half weeks now,

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Speaker 11: and you can't do things immediately, but the left keeps coming.

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Speaker 11: We've seen now an attack on an ice facility is

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Speaker 11: since the assassination of Charlie Kirk and other left wing

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Speaker 11: violent attacks, and this is a problem we have to

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Speaker 11: take seriously and put an end to because the left

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Speaker 11: will not listen to our words because they think our

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Speaker 11: words are violence, and they are meeting that with their

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Speaker 11: own violence.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: Since September the tenth, I counted five active shooter events,

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Speaker 1: all perpetrated by leftists, all perpetrated. You know, we've heard

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Speaker 1: oftentimes that both sides kind of argument. Both sides have

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Speaker 1: their violence, both sides have their vitriol, both sides have

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Speaker 1: their assassins. I'm not seeing that, William. I'm seeing this

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Speaker 1: as a one sided kind of issue. There is a

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Speaker 1: side that celebrates and champions and promotes life. There's a

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Speaker 1: side that seeks to still kill and destroy from life.

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Speaker 1: It's called the culture of death. When it comes to say,

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Speaker 1: people like Jimmy Kimmel from his platform, trying to turn

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Speaker 1: this into some kind of joke. And notice, Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 1: would never dare make fun of those on the left,

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Speaker 1: even even at the you know, even at the slightest

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Speaker 1: faux pas public you know, mistakes that they would make

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration. I'm thinking of Kamala Harris and Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden tripping down a set of stairs. Things like that.

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Speaker 1: Would not take an opportunity to ever jab but in

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Speaker 1: the in the worst moment, would would would seek to

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Speaker 1: poke fun through this tragedy at Charlie Kirk, at President Trump,

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Speaker 1: at those around the country to make fun of. He

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Speaker 1: was essentially censored. He was given an ultimatum. He was

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Speaker 1: then anseled by the parent company of ABC, Disney Bob

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Speaker 1: Eye Girl of that, and then subsequently they wanted to

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Speaker 1: put him back on. Were it not for Sinclair broadcasting

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Speaker 1: in the syndication channels, he would be broadcast all throughout

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Speaker 1: the country. What are your thoughts to that?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean my thoughts are that the left plays

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Speaker 11: hardball and the right rolls over over and over and

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Speaker 11: over again. And that's part of the reason while we

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Speaker 11: are in the mess that we are in. I'm thankful

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Speaker 11: that Sinclair held their ground. But Jimmy Kimmel is back,

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Speaker 11: and if you saw the reaction, this is what was

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Speaker 11: really remarkable. The media, the Democrats, the left, the whole

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Speaker 11: institutional left in America cared far more that a failing

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Speaker 11: unfunny late night hosts suffered legitimate consequences for his speech

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Speaker 11: than they did that Charlie Kirk's life was taken from

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Speaker 11: him for his which shows you this is not a

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Speaker 11: bull size problem. The left essentially has monopoly on political

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Speaker 11: violence in America, and they're not at all afraid to

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Speaker 11: use force to get their way, even when they're trying

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Speaker 11: to boost somebody as terrible as Jimmy Kimmel.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you see what is the way forward?

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Speaker 1: And so obviously we can fold our hands, we can

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Speaker 1: shake our heads, we can be shocked, we can be

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Speaker 1: agitated by this. But what do you what would you

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Speaker 1: say in terms of a conservative base that's out there,

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Speaker 1: a Christian evangelical base, one that that can absolutely get

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Speaker 1: up off the couch, can absolutely get out into the

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Speaker 1: public arena, and can do things that are constructive, do

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Speaker 1: things that are strategic, do things that would secure a victory.

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Speaker 1: What are some action steps that you might suggest even

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 11: Sure, I mean this is one of the most basic

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Speaker 11: things you can ever do. But Christians, Evangelicals, conservatives of

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Speaker 11: all stripes across America should be burning down the phone

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Speaker 11: lines of their elected representatives, state, local, and federal saying,

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Speaker 11: do something to protect us because it's getting dangerous out there.

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Speaker 11: It's getting violent out there, and the right our Republican

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Speaker 11: leaders need to act swiftly and seriously to protect American

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Speaker 11: citizens from left wing terrorism in this country. So make calls, pray,

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Speaker 11: rally if you can and where you can, but we

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Speaker 11: need to demand action in particular.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I was with Charlie Kirk just

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Speaker 1: a few days before he died. I was in South

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Speaker 1: Korea and we were speaking to a group of young conservatives, Christians,

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Speaker 1: those who love America, love freedom. They want religious liberty,

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Speaker 1: they want freedom of conscience, conscientious protection rights, all of that,

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Speaker 1: the right to free assembly, the right to a free press.

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Speaker 1: Much of the media that they receive from the United

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Speaker 1: States is essentially the Deep State exported. It's those that

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Speaker 1: are friendly what we call the Enamedia, CNN, MSNBC, those

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Speaker 1: types of propagated platforms are being pumped in and Charlie

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Speaker 1: was speaking courage to them. And one of the interesting

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Speaker 1: things I will say about South Korea, of all the things,

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Speaker 1: they're not getting everything right right now. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of concern about freedom and free and fair elections. But

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Speaker 1: one of the things that Charlie noticed is, Wow, it

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Speaker 1: looks like crime is really a choice. And when we

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Speaker 1: say that, I were like, oh yeah, the choice for

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Speaker 1: citizens not to commit crime. No, no, no, no, not just that,

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Speaker 1: the choice for those in authority, those that have legal

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Speaker 1: authority and jurisdiction, the choice of them to adjudicate to

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Speaker 1: prosecute crime. We let a lot of crime go unpunished,

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Speaker 1: Irena Zerutzka as a prime example. This is one of

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Speaker 1: those things that we need to see some bold action.

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Speaker 1: I got about one more minute, But what's your response

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Speaker 1: to that? In terms of the United States right now,

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Speaker 1: it's almost like it's one of the largest outdoor shooting ranges.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're exactly right.

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Speaker 11: Crime is a choice. The questions in front of us

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Speaker 11: are not difficult or complicated or complex policy questions. They're

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Speaker 11: ones of political will. And the American people elected Donald

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Speaker 11: Trump to make this country great again and to make

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Speaker 11: it safe again. And I'll put it like this, the

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Speaker 11: left is essentially at this point in America like a

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Speaker 11: spoiled braddy, violent child having a temper tantrum. They will

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Speaker 11: not listen to you saying please stop. We need the government,

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Speaker 11: not private citizens. The government to use their force that

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Speaker 11: they are tasked to use by us and by God

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Speaker 11: to put an end to this, because that's the only

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Speaker 11: way that it will come to an end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree. It is for the

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Speaker 1: government Romans Chapter thirteen to not wield the sword in vain,

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Speaker 1: to promote public righteousness, to promote the good, to promote

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Speaker 1: beautiful and true, but to also be a terror to evildoers.

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Speaker 1: They need to be afraid of the sword of justice

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Speaker 1: that is absolutely sorely needed in the United States today.

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Speaker 1: William Well, thank you so much for all you're doing

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Speaker 1: at the Center for Baptist Leadership and for jumping on

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Speaker 1: Sunday The Road Forward this morning.

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Speaker 5: God bless you.

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Speaker 10: Thanks Ryan.

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Speaker 3: For more encouragement and to stay connected. Follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 3: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and x. We love being a

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Speaker 3: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thank you for watching Sunday The Road Forward. As

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Speaker 1: we bring this time to a close, let's not forget

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Speaker 1: the truth that anchors us all In all things, Yes,

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Speaker 1: all things, God works for the good of those who

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Speaker 1: love Him and who are called according to His purpose.

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Speaker 1: That means, even in the face of darkness, even when

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Speaker 1: evil seems to advance. Even when the battle feels overwhelming,

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Speaker 1: God is still moving, he's still working, and he's still

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Speaker 1: accomplishing his plan. Evil wants us silent, evil wants us fearful.

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Speaker 5: But the people of.

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Speaker 1: God are not called to shrink back. We are called

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Speaker 1: to stand, to speak, to shine light into the shadows,

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Speaker 1: and to proclaim that the victory is already one because

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Speaker 1: it belongs to Jesus. Every trial is temporary, every scheme

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Speaker 1: of the enemy will fail, and every faithful act of

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Speaker 1: courage echoes into eternity. Where do we go from here?

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Speaker 1: Remember this, The war between good and evil is real,

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Speaker 1: but our God has won the victory. Walk boldly, live faithfully,

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Speaker 1: and never forget.

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Speaker 5: Who is on your side. Until next time, God bless you.