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Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics on this election eve,
Speaker 1: with final polls and predictions out, final arguments by the
Speaker 1: candidates on the trail. We're joined by Jessica Taylor of
Speaker 1: The Cook Reports. Straight Ahead, we'll check in with Maryland
Speaker 1: centered Ben Cardon on his way to see President Biden
Speaker 1: tonight at a rally for Democrats on the very same
Speaker 1: night Donald Trump is stumping in Ohio. We'll talk with
Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Ryan tigue beckwith on voters splitting the ballot, and
Speaker 1: we'll run it all past the panel. Bloomberg Politics contributors
Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Genie Schanzano are with us for the hour.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you set for everything that may happen
Speaker 1: tomorrow as we lay out the possible scenarios here for
Speaker 1: what could be by the way, not just tomorrow, but
Speaker 1: days ahead, figuring out what in the world happened in
Speaker 1: the mid term campaign. The mid term elections polls open
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. So today was the last full day of
Speaker 1: campaigning and followed a weekend very busy one on the
Speaker 1: trail with Donald Trump out there, President Biden out there too.
Speaker 1: This election isn't a referendumous at choice. It's a choice
Speaker 1: between two fundamentally different visions of America. I've set from
Speaker 1: the beginning. My objective when I ran was the building
Speaker 1: a conifer in the bottom up, in the middle out
Speaker 1: And I tell you what, it's a fundamental shift. It's
Speaker 1: working compared to the mega mega Republican trickle down economics.
Speaker 1: Yet it's not supposed to matter. Based on the polls,
Speaker 1: we're seeing Republicans set to win the House, and it
Speaker 1: looks like the Senate too, and that's where we begin
Speaker 1: with Jessica Taylor. Things have changed a lot since we
Speaker 1: started talking with Jessica a few months ago, Senate and
Speaker 1: Governor's editor for the Cook Political Report. She's with us
Speaker 1: now on election. Even Jessica, the momentum has been in
Speaker 1: the Republican direction. Now it seems for weeks will Democrats
Speaker 1: both lose chambers tomorrow. The House is a farm looked
Speaker 1: further gone in the Senate. The Senate is still very
Speaker 1: I think we're still going to be very, very close.
Speaker 1: But Democrats wish this election had been held about a
Speaker 1: month ago, and I think they could have kept the
Speaker 1: Senate at that point. But the closure it gets to
Speaker 1: election day, the more worried um Democrats that I've talked
Speaker 1: to have gotten and the more bullish Republicans strategist that
Speaker 1: I talked to have gotten. So we changed our range
Speaker 1: from you know, a cup back in September we said Democrats,
Speaker 1: we had a range of anything from Democrats picking up
Speaker 1: one seat, two Republicans picking up two seats um and
Speaker 1: right now we have changed it to just no net change,
Speaker 1: which would mean that Democrats continue to keep the Senate.
Speaker 1: But it's fifty again. Vice President Harris is the deciding vote,
Speaker 1: up to a Republican gain of three seats. So there
Speaker 1: are a couple of different scenarios in there. We could happen,
Speaker 1: We could see happen, but three out of four of
Speaker 1: those could be could be Republican slepping the Senate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Well we're talking about the Senate. You
Speaker 1: consider Pennsylvania and Georgia too close to call. One could
Speaker 1: go to recount, what could go to run off? How
Speaker 1: long will it be before we know who controls the Senate?
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be on election night.
Speaker 1: All the we could see candidates channel Trump had come
Speaker 1: out there in and declare victor read it's I don't
Speaker 1: think the ballots are going to be as lopsided as
Speaker 1: they were amidst the pandemic two years ago. But you
Speaker 1: have places it can't even start to count mail in
Speaker 1: ballot until election day. Um. So the states that have
Speaker 1: other laws where they can at least start hearing them
Speaker 1: and counting them, we know those results even more. We
Speaker 1: know that Democrats are more likely to vote early or
Speaker 1: to vote absentee, whereas Republicans usually turn out on election day.
Speaker 1: And if we're seeing big turnout. That's something that could
Speaker 1: benefit Republicans. It could be a couple of days, maybe
Speaker 1: even a week um to fully know if Pennsylvania is
Speaker 1: really really close. It was in the UM and the
Speaker 1: and then the Republican primary there the Senate was decided
Speaker 1: by less than a thousand votes between Dr Oz and
Speaker 1: David McCormick there, and you're right, Georgia, it could go.
Speaker 1: If no candidate gets over, then it could. It will
Speaker 1: go to a run off. That's on December six, a
Speaker 1: month earlier than we saw two years years ago, so
Speaker 1: only maybe ruining one holiday and that other one. So
Speaker 1: that's the and that's the question. And I think the
Speaker 1: scenario changes based on whether it's that race is for
Speaker 1: Senate control. It could be deja vu again that it
Speaker 1: comes down to Georgia there, and that's not a scenario
Speaker 1: that Democrats like in their favor. But I also think
Speaker 1: you have, of course the Republican nominee, their football star
Speaker 1: Herschel Walker, who has been a weaker candidate. He benefits
Speaker 1: from having the Governor Bryant Hemp on the ballot. That
Speaker 1: actually could help him. The Republicans hope get above fifty
Speaker 1: and the runoff question is moved, right, but well you're
Speaker 1: also the governor's editor. As I mentioned, we're talking about
Speaker 1: the Senate here, this being a mid term cycle with
Speaker 1: with no presidential election, Jessica, how important will governors be
Speaker 1: as voters work their way down the ballots and states
Speaker 1: like Georgia, governor should be more important. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: very important, and I hope that voters have realized in
Speaker 1: the past, you know, two years, how to three years,
Speaker 1: how important they have been because we saw them making
Speaker 1: critical decisions during COVID. Really those decisions affected you more
Speaker 1: closely than national decisions did, based on where you were,
Speaker 1: based on how many people were getting vaccines, if areas
Speaker 1: were shut down, if schools were shut down, a lot
Speaker 1: of different things in there. And then the governor's races
Speaker 1: also took on an extra mportance. I think this summer
Speaker 1: when the Supreme Court jobs decision overturned Robe Wade and
Speaker 1: sent the question back to the state. So in many answers,
Speaker 1: if there were they trigger law on the books for
Speaker 1: such as such as there is in Michigan. The Democratic
Speaker 1: governor there, Gretchen Whitmer, due to block that um. In Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: uh to the Democratic Governor Tony Tony Evers, who is
Speaker 1: very in danger, even more so than wimmer Um, said
Speaker 1: that he, you know, it would be an eight eight
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds law that would go back into effects and
Speaker 1: the would even criminal is doctors for doing the procedure.
Speaker 1: He said that he would essentially pardon, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: those people that do so. You have a lot of
Speaker 1: different scenarios happening here and in the abortion question. Jessica
Speaker 1: Taylor with us from the Cook Political Report. Lastly, Jessica,
Speaker 1: what what's the house projection here? We've we've heard from
Speaker 1: uh quite a quite a spread here. Does does Cook
Speaker 1: have a number? Is it fifteen? Is it twenty? For
Speaker 1: Republican seats in the House. So our final call from
Speaker 1: uh my colleague David Wasserman, who is our House editor,
Speaker 1: is at this point. But if it's a wave night,
Speaker 1: that could go up to thirty or so. Got it. Jessica,
Speaker 1: thanks for being with us. I wish you luck in
Speaker 1: your coverage tomorrow and come back and see us again
Speaker 1: soon here on Bloomberg Sound On. She's the Senate and
Speaker 1: Governor's editor for the Cook Political Report. You offully busy tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington as we bring in our
Speaker 1: panel on this night before. Genie Schanzano is here and
Speaker 1: so is Rick Davis with me in studio here at
Speaker 1: Bloomberg in Washington, d C. Fifteen to twenty. I wonder
Speaker 1: how that sounds to both of Eugenie, what's your thought?
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because some are already suggesting that that'd
Speaker 1: be a pretty darn good night for Democrats when you
Speaker 1: look at say, Donald Trump losing forty right in the
Speaker 1: last minute. I am one of those people. I am
Speaker 1: one of those people. I think if Democrats can keep
Speaker 1: the losses in the low twenties, that is a good
Speaker 1: night historically for the president's party. Um, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: much better to win. I know Rick Davis is going
Speaker 1: to counter if you lose, you can't be celebrating it.
Speaker 1: But you know, historically, as you mentioned forty sixty, that's
Speaker 1: what we've been looking at. In the modern era, with
Speaker 1: the president's approval rating the way it is, with inflation
Speaker 1: the way it is, and all the other factors working
Speaker 1: against Democrats, a loss of you know, the low twenties
Speaker 1: is okay night for the Democrats, and it robs Kevin
Speaker 1: McCarthy of a huge majority that he needs to try
Speaker 1: to push forward some of the policies they want. So
Speaker 1: for Democrats that would be good. Do you see the
Speaker 1: Senate going to I think it turns and I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we're looking probably at I'm estimating
Speaker 1: a fifty two but which you know, hopefully I am
Speaker 1: wrong on that um but that that's what we're probably
Speaker 1: looking at at this point. And you know, that's probably
Speaker 1: in keeping with history, if it's any guide here, that's
Speaker 1: probably what we're going to see. We're throwing numbers around here, Rick,
Speaker 1: But basically, what Genie is telling us his Republicans own
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill after tomorrow. Genie is making me very happy.
Speaker 1: He's like, she's she's got all my talking points. She's
Speaker 1: obviously been listening all your long. We don't even Republican
Speaker 1: dominance of Washington. Yeah. Look, I mean, twenty new Republican
Speaker 1: House members, and like, he can't get done what he
Speaker 1: wants to get done. Plus he had five a margin
Speaker 1: of five, and they got a lot done primarily because
Speaker 1: they had in the presidency. So Joe Biden is gonna
Speaker 1: be vetoing a lot of legislation. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think that that's probably the case. I think that there'll
Speaker 1: be a lot of investigations. I think there'll be a
Speaker 1: lot of oversight. I think they'll they'll they'll be um
Speaker 1: some pressure on, you know, financial issues like the budget
Speaker 1: and the debt ceiling and things like that that otherwise
Speaker 1: by didn't have too much of last time around. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think that that you've got that's a
Speaker 1: plenty in your side. You know, a margin of twenty
Speaker 1: is the number to do whatever you want to do
Speaker 1: to accomplish. I don't want to put numbers in your mouth.
Speaker 1: I think it could be bigger than that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you could come out of the early part
Speaker 1: of the night with just coming through the Northeast potentially
Speaker 1: with five or six pickups, or even up the mid
Speaker 1: Atlantic before Florida, before you know, Pennsylvania, before Michigan. Um,
Speaker 1: so I think you have the potential. Really, as Jessica
Speaker 1: said to Ye, I wouldn't call it a wave, but
Speaker 1: I mean, to thirty new Republican House members is ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen less than historical average. And I'm not sure
Speaker 1: we're bucking history here. I mean, it feels like history.
Speaker 1: It feels like every other mid term for the party
Speaker 1: out of power gets she lacked, has Barack Obama like
Speaker 1: to put it, And I think these Democrats are gonna
Speaker 1: go close to the sixty was that was a record, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna see that tomorrow. You see the Senate
Speaker 1: flipping like Jeanie does too. Yeah. Well, look, I mean
Speaker 1: it's kind of like what Jessica said. I mean, like
Speaker 1: every poll in the last two weeks has been favorable
Speaker 1: to Republicans. The economy, uh, and Biden's administration. When you
Speaker 1: look at independent voters, it's less than thirty percent approval,
Speaker 1: less than thirty percent. So if you expect independence to
Speaker 1: break your way on the number one issue and your
Speaker 1: party in power the president has a twenty eight percent
Speaker 1: approval rating, you're probably pushing a big rock up a hill.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think Republicans are going to
Speaker 1: get the breaks that you get when you have momentum
Speaker 1: coming into election day. The Senate is interesting to me
Speaker 1: because they're so close to call, like eight Senate races
Speaker 1: that are toss ups right now. That's a really pretty
Speaker 1: high number. John Fetterman, of course, out over the weekend
Speaker 1: with President Biden, with President Obama, My God, every president,
Speaker 1: it seemed was walking around here three or more at
Speaker 1: least with Donald Trump as well. Of course, this is
Speaker 1: the lieutenant governor who suffered a stroke in May, and
Speaker 1: his health main is still a major issue on the
Speaker 1: trip by January. I'm gonna keep feeling better and better,
Speaker 1: but but Dr Oz will still be a fraud. Well,
Speaker 1: Doctor Oz actually was out there with Donald Trump in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania that same nime. We'll bring change to Washington so
Speaker 1: they treat us the way we deserve y'all in we
Speaker 1: all win. God bless you. I love to get both
Speaker 1: of your reads on this. We've been talking about this
Speaker 1: race for the better part of a year, certainly since
Speaker 1: the primary. Uh, Genie, it's uh what it's within a
Speaker 1: point here. This is arguably the state that's going to
Speaker 1: decide the balance of power. Are you still looking at
Speaker 1: it that way? Yeah? I think we are, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's why everybody to your point, descended on Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: this weekend, and it has been a fight, particularly for
Speaker 1: the suburbs. And you know, here's the reality. As much
Speaker 1: as I would like to make Rick Davis happy today
Speaker 1: and think that I am right about this, the reality
Speaker 1: is these polls are so close that if there is
Speaker 1: a huge turn out, particularly among African Americans, particularly among
Speaker 1: young people, then it could work in the democrats favor
Speaker 1: and some of these tight races and there could be
Speaker 1: a very different night. We simply don't know. And that's
Speaker 1: why you had Barack Obama and Joe Biden out there
Speaker 1: trying to weave together a coalition based on the issue
Speaker 1: of democracy, based on the issue of abortion, based on
Speaker 1: the issue of character. And I think if the Senate
Speaker 1: holds democratic, it will be a fifty fifty And if
Speaker 1: that happens, the number one reason will be character of
Speaker 1: these candidates that Donald Trump largely pushed forward. And number
Speaker 1: two will be Donald Trump himself saying for the last
Speaker 1: few days and certainly we're hearing it right to this minute,
Speaker 1: that he's going to announce for presidency. Those are the
Speaker 1: kinds of things supposed. Yeah, I'm very that's the best
Speaker 1: thing that could happen to the Democrats. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess that. I mean, jeez, you know, leave it
Speaker 1: to Donald Trump to take the attention away from the
Speaker 1: candidates who actually running. But tonight does it matter? If
Speaker 1: that happens tonight, we can get into this more later,
Speaker 1: But I mean the dice essentially cast here, isn't it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the dies cast. I've never seen anything happen the night
Speaker 1: before an election that actually had a material believe me.
Speaker 1: And I've tried so many different things now, I've never
Speaker 1: tried a Donald Trump announces for president the night of
Speaker 1: an election. Uh. That would definitely make history. But I
Speaker 1: can't imagine he would get in the way of what
Speaker 1: will otherwise be a declaration of victory by him. Virtually
Speaker 1: all the nominees that he endorsed are running in this
Speaker 1: general election, and a lot of them are going to
Speaker 1: get elected. So why get in the way of declaring
Speaker 1: victory tonight or tomorrow night for him by stepping on
Speaker 1: his own story. There was concern inside the campaign about
Speaker 1: having him not share a stage so much with Donald
Speaker 1: Trump but with Doug Mastriano over the weekend. It's, of course,
Speaker 1: the Republican nominee for governor. It looks like he will
Speaker 1: likely lose based on the numbers we're seeing now, but
Speaker 1: he of course has been, you know, a steadfast supporter
Speaker 1: of Trump, an election denier, and he was on stage two.
Speaker 1: Failure is not an option. We have to win the
Speaker 1: future for our children and our freedom is at stake.
Speaker 1: But I know in three days there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: new day in p a is I mean, is that
Speaker 1: baggage for doctor Oz or our voters in Pennsylvania? Rick,
Speaker 1: Are Republicans in Pennsylvania able to draw the line between
Speaker 1: the two? Yeah, they will draw the line between the two.
Speaker 1: I mean indication that you know, uh Oz has coat tails, right,
Speaker 1: which would drag in Mastriano and and in Mastriano is
Speaker 1: not obviously driving any vote, right, I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: got enough money and enough attention, uh to have any
Speaker 1: power around the vote, So he'll he'll be sort of
Speaker 1: left behind by voters. And that's the ballot splitting that
Speaker 1: we could see in multiple states, Genie, we can you know,
Speaker 1: we expect maybe to see that. For instance, in Georgia
Speaker 1: you may have yeah, yeah, or people don't vote down ballot,
Speaker 1: that's a possibility as well. But I think the you know,
Speaker 1: Ozz appearing on stage with Mastriano, that is problematic for
Speaker 1: Oz because Oz is the last few days been trying
Speaker 1: to sell himself as a moderate to attract these very
Speaker 1: important suburban, moderate independent voters, and appearing on stage with
Speaker 1: Mastriano and also Donald Trump. He's walking a very fine
Speaker 1: line and that's a difficult thing for him to swallow.
Speaker 1: He did it, We're gonna have to see if it
Speaker 1: paid off. You know, we famously remember young Ken did
Speaker 1: not do that, He did not hug close to Trump,
Speaker 1: and he won. So if Oz doesn't win, we're going
Speaker 1: to be looking at this weekend to see did this
Speaker 1: rally and his appearance with these two uh you know,
Speaker 1: these two Republicans impact turn out amongst independence and support
Speaker 1: for him. We're going to connect in a moment with
Speaker 1: Senator Ben Cardon, who's going to be taking part in
Speaker 1: a pretty big rally tonight involving President Biden, you know,
Speaker 1: closing arguments. As I mentioned in Bowie Maryland. Before we
Speaker 1: do though, just to get for both of you in
Speaker 1: terms of the House goes, you're gonna be watching early
Speaker 1: tomorrow a couple of important races in Virginia. Well, Abigail
Speaker 1: span Burger and uh Ellen, Laura tell us what's going
Speaker 1: to happen the rest of the night. Rick, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they are a strong indication, right, these are flipper districts.
Speaker 1: Both of them are slightly Biden districts by three percent
Speaker 1: and six percent and um and and and if you
Speaker 1: are having anything close to a red wave, they go
Speaker 1: down um early in the evening. And I would say
Speaker 1: watch out for Virginia ten too, because if it is
Speaker 1: a red wave, Wexler goes down in the same pile
Speaker 1: that the other Democrats will and and that will be
Speaker 1: the first indication at a plus six plus eight democratic
Speaker 1: district is going Republican. And and then Katie bar the door.
Speaker 1: You're at thirty or forty. So if we see those
Speaker 1: two lose, those Democratic incumbents lose the early hours tomorrow, Genie,
Speaker 1: it's trouble for Democrats. It could look like a wave.
Speaker 1: On the other one, I would watch. An addition to
Speaker 1: Virginia ten would be Indiana one. If we see that flip,
Speaker 1: that is going to signify something of a tsunami on
Speaker 1: the Republican side. Experts here on how to watch this
Speaker 1: take place tomorrow, Rick and Genie or with us for
Speaker 1: the hour. As we now bring in Senator Ben Carton,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, democrat from Maryland is not up for reelection.
Speaker 1: Here on his way to see President Biden at an
Speaker 1: event in Bowie. Senator, welcome back to Bloomberg it's good
Speaker 1: to be with you, particularly at this time when the
Speaker 1: nation is so focused on the mid term elections. Well,
Speaker 1: you're on your way, in fact, to a rally with
Speaker 1: President Biden later on tonight. God Love Bowie state, is
Speaker 1: the President an asset, senator or a liability at this
Speaker 1: stage of the campaign. Oh, it's an asset. His record
Speaker 1: is very much appreciated by the people of Maryland. I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna find that the results on tomorrow would
Speaker 1: be very positive in regards to the Democrats and response
Speaker 1: to what President by has done. It's interesting he started
Speaker 1: this campaign cycle in Montgomery County, Maryland, is ending it
Speaker 1: in Prince George's County, Maryland. So we're very proud of
Speaker 1: President Biden and the fact that he has been in
Speaker 1: Maryland so frequently. I see West Moore is up by
Speaker 1: something like thirty points in the race for governor. I
Speaker 1: think five thirty eight gives him uh out of a hundred,
Speaker 1: which is got to be a pretty good feeling going
Speaker 1: into a race. Is it nice to not be running, though,
Speaker 1: to to be able to to to rally and and
Speaker 1: act as as surrogate and not have to worry about
Speaker 1: your own campaign, Well, quite frankly it is. I love campaigning,
Speaker 1: but particularly now I can campaign and not worry for
Speaker 1: my own election, but can really focus on where I
Speaker 1: can help other candidates. So I've been spending my time
Speaker 1: not only in Maryland, but in other parts of the
Speaker 1: country in order to help Democrats. Poll show a real
Speaker 1: uphill climb for Democrats on Capitol Hill as opposed to
Speaker 1: in the state of Maryland, House and Senate were told
Speaker 1: could turn Republican. Do you believe these numbers? Well, we
Speaker 1: know the traditional thoughts about mid term elections for the
Speaker 1: the party that where the president is in power. So
Speaker 1: we recognize the historic trends here. Well, we think we
Speaker 1: have a good story to tell. We think has been
Speaker 1: receptive to the voters around the country. So we have
Speaker 1: great candidates running for the United States Senate, for Congress,
Speaker 1: so and governor. We're we're optimistic that we're gonna beat
Speaker 1: some of the projections. Well, you know, Republicans say they're
Speaker 1: better equipped to manage the economy with inflation being the
Speaker 1: big issue in the campaign. You don't need me to
Speaker 1: tell you that. Uh. This, of course, though, is a
Speaker 1: global problem where it's hold. The feed is busy hiking
Speaker 1: interest rates. How if Democrats allowed Republicans to own that issue.
Speaker 1: You just passed the Inflation Reduction Act. Centator, Well, I
Speaker 1: think President Biden has a really strong record. But the
Speaker 1: truth is that American families are hurting through no fault
Speaker 1: of President Biden or the actions in Congress. It is
Speaker 1: a global situation, as you pointed out, particularly before and
Speaker 1: you crane and energy crisis. But the facts are that
Speaker 1: people are upset. They're upset about their energy costs, they're
Speaker 1: upset about their food costs, they're upset about being able
Speaker 1: to afford the essentials of life. And we fully understand
Speaker 1: that and at times that could very well have a
Speaker 1: negative impact on the party in power. So we recognize
Speaker 1: the risk factors here. Life isn't always fair, elections aren't
Speaker 1: always fair, but the voters get the last say. Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because you know, the Democrats have accused Republicans of,
Speaker 1: you know, being the dog that caught the car when
Speaker 1: it comes to Roe. V Wade, Are you going to
Speaker 1: say the same thing about inflation when Kevin McCarthy or
Speaker 1: someone else is in charge. Well, no, I believe in
Speaker 1: being very partisans on elections. Again, so many Democrats elected
Speaker 1: as possible when when elections are over, you've got to govern,
Speaker 1: whether you're in the majority or the minority. So I
Speaker 1: am hopeful that once the election results are in, we're
Speaker 1: gonna find a new sense of purpose and we get
Speaker 1: things done. Why is west More up more and thirty points,
Speaker 1: but other Democrats around the country are locked in such
Speaker 1: tight racist Senator, I think Westmore's message is one that
Speaker 1: resonates with the people of Maryland. I think people in
Speaker 1: this country. Uh. He says that we're all in this
Speaker 1: together and want to leave no one behind. He wants
Speaker 1: to invest in areas to improve education and opportunity for
Speaker 1: all Marylanders. Uh. It's a very strong message. He's a
Speaker 1: charismatic speaker. He gives hope, he's a visionary for our future,
Speaker 1: and he's type of leader I think Mariland Marylanders want
Speaker 1: to see. I'm gonna ask you lastly about two things
Speaker 1: that are very close to your heart. One would be workers,
Speaker 1: the other crabs temporary worker visas. Senator. Of course, huge
Speaker 1: for the seafood industry. Which party can get more workers here,
Speaker 1: more manpower to responsibly far Maryland crabs. Well, we are
Speaker 1: very proud that President Biden has used all the discretion.
Speaker 1: He has to increase states to be worker. Visa said
Speaker 1: that we have the seafood industry has what it needs.
Speaker 1: So I think Democrats have delivered in regards to seasonal workers.
Speaker 1: Congress needs to respond. And here's where we need to
Speaker 1: have Democrats and Republicans working together. But to modernize our
Speaker 1: immigration laws and provide an adequate number of worker pieces.
Speaker 1: I'll take a dozen large right now. Senator, I'm figuring
Speaker 1: you feel the same way. If you know what the
Speaker 1: weather was today, I think people who wanted to be
Speaker 1: outside eating steve crabs. I agree with you. I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in d C. I'm ready for it, but I
Speaker 1: need I need some vinegar and spices on the side.
Speaker 1: How do you take it? Well, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I'm a somewhat of a purist, but so but it's
Speaker 1: a it's it's a great tradition in our state. Only
Speaker 1: Maryland knows how to make a crab gig or how
Speaker 1: that air crab. So we're very proud of our role
Speaker 1: in regard to the Maryland crabs. There's no such thing
Speaker 1: as a Democratic crab or a Republican one. Senator, Well,
Speaker 1: you know they're blue crabs. I stand correct it, Senator
Speaker 1: Ben Cardon, Democrat from Maryland, are regards to the President
Speaker 1: and booie State. While we're at it, coming up Ryan
Speaker 1: take Back with on ballot splitting tomorrow. I'm Joe Matthew
Speaker 1: and Washington. This is Bloomberg. It's a pretty impressive number
Speaker 1: for a mid term election cycle. More than forty million
Speaker 1: people have already voted early votes that of course have
Speaker 1: been controversial in themselves, at least in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: concept following the campaign with a lot of election deniers,
Speaker 1: including Donald Trump, suggesting that they are somehow compromised. Carry
Speaker 1: Lake would tell you that Ryan take Beckwarth joins us
Speaker 1: now Bloomberg News National Politics Report. Has been an awfully
Speaker 1: busy guy and sure will be for the next couple
Speaker 1: of days here. Ryan, You've been very helpful helping us
Speaker 1: understand some of the trends across the country in this cycle.
Speaker 1: What does that forty million number tell you? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that shows that early voting is here to stay.
Speaker 1: We're really only have three or four states left in
Speaker 1: which there's no option to either early vote in person
Speaker 1: or by mail, and one of those is Connecticut, where
Speaker 1: they're going to be voting on that in November. So
Speaker 1: I think, well, we pretty much should get used to
Speaker 1: this being the pattern. What we have seen, like in
Speaker 1: recent days is some in Arizona, some Republicans now suggesting that, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe you should get out an early vote, um after
Speaker 1: they have spent a lot of time telling people that
Speaker 1: they should vote only an election day, which I think
Speaker 1: as an indicator they're a little nervous about this. Well,
Speaker 1: we've also seen it in some states, uh, fairly split
Speaker 1: between Democrats and Republicans. Right, this is not this is
Speaker 1: not just a progressive trend. No, and and actually it's
Speaker 1: long been older voters who really appreciate the option to
Speaker 1: vote by mail and to early vote. Uh. And you
Speaker 1: can see if you look at the information from the
Speaker 1: US Elections Project that older voters are in fact the
Speaker 1: ones who have taken the most advantage of the early
Speaker 1: voting UM. But I do think that we're seeing more
Speaker 1: of a part of and split now with these early
Speaker 1: votes are really democratic and they banked a lot of these.
Speaker 1: The question is whether there's a real surge of people
Speaker 1: showing up an election day Republicans that offsets that. Well,
Speaker 1: that said, of course, it is also gonna take us
Speaker 1: a little bit longer to find out who the heck
Speaker 1: won some of these races. UH, A state like Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: for instances, not begin counting the early votes until the
Speaker 1: polls closed, right that's gonna start at eight o'clock, which
Speaker 1: could mean days before we know right now, it's not
Speaker 1: the counting even, it's the processing. So when you vote
Speaker 1: by mail, you have to put it in in a
Speaker 1: special envelope and sign it, and they have to they
Speaker 1: have to take it out of that envelope, they have
Speaker 1: to double check that your signature matches and all of that.
Speaker 1: That takes time to do that. The counting is pretty
Speaker 1: fast once you're done with that, but they don't allow
Speaker 1: them to begin processing them like they do in some
Speaker 1: other states, like Florida. So that's why in some states
Speaker 1: so they have vote by mail, they immediately have results
Speaker 1: when the polls closed because they can just click tabulate
Speaker 1: on those machines. But in Pennsylvania, it's going to take
Speaker 1: them awhile to unpack those and flay them Latin, run
Speaker 1: them through the machine confirmed the signature. So we may
Speaker 1: not know Pennsylvania um, other than the governor's race. We
Speaker 1: may not know until Saturday, So how does Ryan T.
Speaker 1: Beck With tackle this? Then tomorrow? What are you watching
Speaker 1: in the early hours, Ryan, I think tomorrow should be
Speaker 1: pretty quiet. It's an election day. Those are usually pretty
Speaker 1: boring during the day, But once the polls closed and
Speaker 1: we start to get a sense of where the votes
Speaker 1: are headed, I am really on high alert for similar
Speaker 1: efforts to where someone decides that this isn't right, our
Speaker 1: side should be winning or whatever. Particularly looking at the
Speaker 1: city of Detroit, there's election denier's running for multiple statewide
Speaker 1: positions in Michigan who have already kind of indicated that
Speaker 1: they may contest it if they lose. Uh So I'll
Speaker 1: be watching that closely tomorrow. Fascinating. Stay with us, Ryan,
Speaker 1: We look forward to talking with you again, whether it's
Speaker 1: tomorrow the day after. Ryan T. Beck With find his
Speaker 1: work on the terminal. He has been just doing incredible
Speaker 1: work here tracking the so called deniers and exactly what
Speaker 1: will happen to them tomorrow night. We'll find out on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: hopefully in a conversation with Ryan. I'd love to follow
Speaker 1: up there. As we reassembled our panel. Rick and Jeanie
Speaker 1: are with us considering the impact of early voting or
Speaker 1: at least the phenomenon of early voting. Uh. Rick, Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and carry Laker telling people there's something wrong here.
Speaker 1: But a lot of Republicans are are enjoying this as
Speaker 1: an option. And as Ryan said, it's here to stay.
Speaker 1: Why not embrace it? Yeah, why not embrace it? I'm
Speaker 1: totally with you. Uh, A lot of Republican strategists and
Speaker 1: operatives I know all around the country just scratch your head.
Speaker 1: If I can get a vote, you know, early, I
Speaker 1: can count that vote. It's in my pocket. I can
Speaker 1: focus on other voters, take them off the list, don't
Speaker 1: have to call them ten times on election day. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's a good thing. And these are the laws, right,
Speaker 1: and people regardless of whether they were on the books
Speaker 1: before COVID or after. Uh, it's a real convenience item
Speaker 1: for voters. And we've always tried to find ways of
Speaker 1: spurring higher voter turnout. And there's a lot of evidence
Speaker 1: in the last three election cycles that we are having
Speaker 1: record voter turnout, not in small part because we've made
Speaker 1: it easier for people to vote. That's a good thing. Right.
Speaker 1: This was a democratic uh sort of idea, at least
Speaker 1: it was framed in GIE but As Ryan points out,
Speaker 1: a lot of older retirees who might vote Republican really
Speaker 1: like this option as well. Is this the future of voting?
Speaker 1: I think it is. I think early voting mail in
Speaker 1: balloting any way to make it easier for people to
Speaker 1: exercise this right. I have to tell you, I was
Speaker 1: telling Rick earlier, this is the first year I've ever
Speaker 1: early voted by mail. I've always gone to the polls,
Speaker 1: and I really relish the idea. Couldn't do it this year,
Speaker 1: so I early voted. It's convenient, and it does give
Speaker 1: people an option that they don't have for people who
Speaker 1: are working, people who are elderly, people who can't get
Speaker 1: to the polls on that day. So I do think
Speaker 1: we're going to see more and more of this. And
Speaker 1: to Rick's point, from a campaign perspective, it allows the
Speaker 1: candidates and the campaigns to focus on voters they may
Speaker 1: not wise be able to focus on, and that is
Speaker 1: a boon for any campaign. Donald Trump telling people not
Speaker 1: to vote may have cost them the Georgia Senate both
Speaker 1: of those seats. In he shouldn't be repeating that we
Speaker 1: have seen that movie because it's popular for both parties.
Speaker 1: Though Ricky can't I mean, how do you tell who's
Speaker 1: this who who these forty million votes are favoring? Well
Speaker 1: in Arizona is pretty easy, right, because you track votes
Speaker 1: by counties and by precincts, and you actually get updates
Speaker 1: from the Registrar's office on a regular basis, so as
Speaker 1: they can hold the ballot then, but on who returned one,
Speaker 1: who returned one? Or where they live? Right, what's their
Speaker 1: zip code? Because like everything, we live in the places
Speaker 1: we have common political interests, right, and so you know,
Speaker 1: you can pretty much bracket any community in Arizona and
Speaker 1: most other states that aren't you know, vote by registration
Speaker 1: and know uh where the Republicans live, where the Democrats live,
Speaker 1: and what the tendencies are. Would say that things are
Speaker 1: pretty even the rightness day like Arizona. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: at least in terms of the early vote. The reality
Speaker 1: is early votes should be substantial in the Democratic favor.
Speaker 1: That's the typical Arizona voting pattern. Uh. We've seen in
Speaker 1: the last two cycles though, that Republicans started taking advantage
Speaker 1: of early voting, uh maybe even starting around COVID, and
Speaker 1: they've adopted it. So talking them out of it is
Speaker 1: just adding a hurdle to election day. Uh. And the
Speaker 1: other thing I would say is it does make it
Speaker 1: a little easier to count, right, I mean, like if
Speaker 1: you're able to get to it first. Yeah. Absolutely. We
Speaker 1: had to do this because while it is the final countdown, Genior,
Speaker 1: you're ready from coming across the table here like you
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe. I have one more opportunity to talk to
Speaker 1: these two about some important trends. You're including some of
Speaker 1: what we heard from Donald Trump and might here tonight.
Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Son on with Joe
Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It was almost the biggest applause
Speaker 1: line of the night for Donald Trump. That would be
Speaker 1: when he decided to swear it doesn't take a lot.
Speaker 1: And I realized today as I'm preparing for the show
Speaker 1: and I'm bleeping the former president of the United States
Speaker 1: once again, I've never had to bleep a crowd before.
Speaker 1: So the speech he made was total. You know what,
Speaker 1: I won't use it because my wife always is she
Speaker 1: always is darling, don't use the word book, So I'm
Speaker 1: not going to use it. Intelligence first, one of his
Speaker 1: favorite words there. But this isn't a play. Please don't
Speaker 1: use that word see please. It almost has a rhythm
Speaker 1: to it as we reassemble the panel, Rick and Genie
Speaker 1: or with us of course Bloomberg Politics contributors. Really, I
Speaker 1: never had to bleep a crowd before. But that wasn't
Speaker 1: the real applause line of the night. It was the
Speaker 1: stay tuned, stay tuned to tomorrow night in the great
Speaker 1: state of Ohio. Stay tuned, we have a big we
Speaker 1: have a big rally there for j D We have
Speaker 1: a big, big, big rally. Stay tuned tomorrow night in Ohio.
Speaker 1: After he added another very it was very, very very
Speaker 1: very probably going to announce for the White House? Does
Speaker 1: he do that tonight, Jeanie, I heave a voting. Let
Speaker 1: us hope he does. I would love to see it.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see if it really up ends the campaign.
Speaker 1: I don't think he will because it makes little sense.
Speaker 1: But then again, can't predict what Donald Trump is going
Speaker 1: to do. We talked about this last week, and they
Speaker 1: were seeing the four of November at that point, and
Speaker 1: I think I asked you at the time, Rick, if
Speaker 1: it was actually beneficial to clear the field as opposed
Speaker 1: to deal with the financial implications of announcing now do
Speaker 1: you feel any differently tonight? Only that maybe his lawyers
Speaker 1: met with him and said, hey, the indictment is pending
Speaker 1: any time now, and sooner you're a candidate, the more
Speaker 1: likely as you'll slip the legal not um. But I
Speaker 1: would really be curious to see um j D kiss
Speaker 1: my gluteus maximus Trump on the stage when he announces
Speaker 1: for president tonight. That would really be entertaining. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's one way to interrupt the news flow here. I
Speaker 1: mean that would be the front page headline to mar
Speaker 1: Ginie instead of j D. Vance poised to win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: poor j D. He's going there to get some support,
Speaker 1: get some more votes tomorrow, and he's you know, it'll
Speaker 1: be stunning at Donald Trump puts his own interest ahead
Speaker 1: of somebody else. A lot of people made a big
Speaker 1: deal about the he's got a nickname. Now, by the way,
Speaker 1: how did rond to sanctimonious play with you guys? I
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty good. Anytime you can insert yourself
Speaker 1: in a commercial with God, you're probably over reaching a
Speaker 1: little bit. But but you know, look, so I don't
Speaker 1: know how Donald Trump tests out the nicknames. He might
Speaker 1: have one for each of you. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: this one really actually they loved it. He was reading
Speaker 1: poll numbers on Friday night. Rondo Sanctimonia said, Mike Pence
Speaker 1: at seven. Oh, Mike's doing better than I thought. Liz Cheney,
Speaker 1: there's no way she's at four. There's no way, Rhonda sanctimonious.
Speaker 1: Uh did he come up with that? In the day
Speaker 1: after this? This you know, given by God ad came
Speaker 1: out on the eighth day. Are there other ones out there?
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder? But this is the ad if
Speaker 1: you didn't see this that apparently inspired the nickname. This
Speaker 1: came out on Friday, a Rhonda Santis campaign ad on
Speaker 1: the eighth day. And on the eighth day, God looked
Speaker 1: down on his planned paradise and said, I need a
Speaker 1: protect her. So God made a fighter. Black and white footage,
Speaker 1: God said, I need somebody willing to get up before
Speaker 1: dawn kiss his family. Good buy travel thousands of miles
Speaker 1: for no other reason than to serve the people, to
Speaker 1: save their job, their livelihoods, their liberty, their happiness. Of
Speaker 1: course he doesn't travel thousands of miles. He was a
Speaker 1: little closer to the office, right, Rick, Did you ever
Speaker 1: think about invoking God and I mean, he's so the
Speaker 1: anointed one. He's according to Donald Trump, to sanctimonious. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: this is a stretch. I think that he's carving new
Speaker 1: ground on sort of what people are willing to buy
Speaker 1: in the package of he's my governor. I like him
Speaker 1: a lot. But did God really make santis on the
Speaker 1: eighth day? Was that God? Or? By the way, how
Speaker 1: come we're getting hurricanes if we've got God on his
Speaker 1: right side? True enough? That didn't sound as much like
Speaker 1: God to me. Remember this is Paul Harvey. He kind
Speaker 1: of had the voice of God, Genie, I guess. But
Speaker 1: are they trying to by the way, Paul Harvey, you know,
Speaker 1: god fearing evangelical. He was incredibly popular among evangelical Christians
Speaker 1: and conservatives. Not an accident. They made a sound like him, right, No,
Speaker 1: it's not. And and if if we didn't know this
Speaker 1: was real, Joe, I would think you would stayed up
Speaker 1: all night or this was some kind of snl skit.
Speaker 1: You know, I have to burst one bubble, which is
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump did not come up with a de
Speaker 1: sanctimonious monitor. Because I like to do research for you, Joe.
Speaker 1: It was actually Roger Stone who posted it on telegram. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he came up with and he warned Ron to
Speaker 1: Sanctimonious not to try to run against Trump and he
Speaker 1: would regret it. And Trump has invoked it. It's a
Speaker 1: little shocking. He took away from the candidates the other
Speaker 1: night to talk about himself, but he did. But this
Speaker 1: run the Sanctimonious ad invoking God ten times that God
Speaker 1: made him governor. It's it's too much to believe until
Speaker 1: you watch it. And it's the most viral video that's
Speaker 1: we've seen this this cycle. So they did something right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it worked, then, Rick, this is just good politics. Well,
Speaker 1: just because it's viral doesn't mean it's having a positive
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're talking about it almost as
Speaker 1: if it is a joke. Genie's right. I mean when
Speaker 1: I first saw it, I thought, oh, somebody made this up.
Speaker 1: But the fact that it was quote sent out by
Speaker 1: his wife brings it pretty close to home. Right. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like he can say, hey, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: she was doing. I mean I would have never agreed
Speaker 1: to that. We should note, yes, his wife tweeted that,
Speaker 1: uh tweeting today Elon Musk, I didn't think this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a daily thing, guys, but I guess it's
Speaker 1: gonna be for a minute. Uh. This is the new
Speaker 1: owner of Twitter, of course, the richest man in the world,
Speaker 1: Testless SpaceX and so on quote. Shared power curbs the
Speaker 1: worst excesses of both parties. Therefore, I recommend voting for
Speaker 1: a Republican Congress given the presidency as democratic unquote to
Speaker 1: his more than one ten million followers, is Elon Musk
Speaker 1: aiming to be the most important endorsement in politics? Is
Speaker 1: that what this new platform has for him? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think he is. He's pushed Kathy Griffin off the office Twitter,
Speaker 1: and you know, and and you know, just as one example,
Speaker 1: what does it do when you have divided government? You
Speaker 1: know it a lot of people believe what he is saying.
Speaker 1: But the reality is it makes it harder for voters
Speaker 1: to know who to hold accountable. When you have divided government.
Speaker 1: It makes democracy harder because as people go to vote
Speaker 1: in four who do they hold accountable for what has
Speaker 1: or hasn't happened. And so it works to the politicians,
Speaker 1: it works to the people in government, It works to
Speaker 1: the people who are in office. It doesn't work so
Speaker 1: well for voters. And that's where one of the fallacies
Speaker 1: of this argument that divided government is a good thing. Well,
Speaker 1: you know Wall Street always said gridlock is good Rick
Speaker 1: or the market's going to love that idea. Well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna see changing things. Just stop doing things, watch do
Speaker 1: nothing for a while and let the rest of the country,
Speaker 1: you know, take care of itself. And look, that's always
Speaker 1: been um one theory of government, right, the less they do,
Speaker 1: the better off the country. Is the power of the
Speaker 1: market systems and what we can accompl Shawn, our own. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're not a nanny society, right, we don't expect to
Speaker 1: be taken care of. And sometimes the government overreaches into
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. So sure, absolutely it could be
Speaker 1: uh one of those sort of impacts. But Genie could
Speaker 1: be right too. I mean, you know, people want to
Speaker 1: get things done. We've gotten used to, especially during this
Speaker 1: COVID period, government intervening and virtually every aspect of our lives.
Speaker 1: What happens when I go cold Turkey for the next
Speaker 1: two years. If Republicans win in the Senate, in the House,
Speaker 1: there may be a few pieces of legislation that the
Speaker 1: president would be willing to sign, but probably not many,
Speaker 1: and so the question is, you know, how's the country
Speaker 1: going to react to that? And at that point, if
Speaker 1: we're trying to climb out of a recession with a
Speaker 1: rising unemployment rate, Genie, you're not going to get any
Speaker 1: stimulus money to fix it, are you. You're not. I mean,
Speaker 1: government will go into a certain extent grind to a
Speaker 1: halt unless a miracle occurs and Republicans and the President
Speaker 1: can agree to pass legislation. And of course then you
Speaker 1: defer power to the states and you get vastly different
Speaker 1: policies out of these fifty very different states. If you
Speaker 1: get anything at all, and you get a patchwork of government,
Speaker 1: you get a patchwork of policies. If people want change,
Speaker 1: governmental division of power is not the way to get it.
Speaker 1: If they want things to remain the same, He's absolutely right,
Speaker 1: go divide your vote. If people were already concerned about
Speaker 1: Elon Musk owning and running this thing Twitter, he could
Speaker 1: have tweeted that as just a member of the universe,
Speaker 1: But as the owner of Twitter, how much of an
Speaker 1: impact might that have? And is that any different than
Speaker 1: the head of any media company doing this, or the
Speaker 1: head of a fortune company endorsing a candidate or a party. Look,
Speaker 1: as chief Twitter, he has sort of a higher you know,
Speaker 1: profiled and he even had with his original hundred million
Speaker 1: Twitter followers, right, and so certainly for the moment, there's
Speaker 1: no question that eyes are on Elon Musk and and
Speaker 1: he has influenced now whether or not he's really using it.
Speaker 1: You tweeting the night before the election, Um, it really
Speaker 1: ways raises questions, right, Who's who's he really trying to
Speaker 1: motivate here? Right? Is anybody going to change their vote
Speaker 1: based on what they read by him today? Um? And uh?
Speaker 1: And I'd say that he was being more political than
Speaker 1: persuasive and so having fun though, right, we'll see. I
Speaker 1: think he's trying to buy influence, right, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: if you're the head of Twitter and you see what's
Speaker 1: going on on Capitol Hill, you're about to go under
Speaker 1: the gun. Right, whether Republicans or Democrats win in the
Speaker 1: House and Senate, big tech is going to be on
Speaker 1: the hot seat. And that includes Elon Musk and the twitters.
Speaker 1: Wow to me as well, career a little bit of favor.
Speaker 1: Now you have the chance, Jennie, you see motivate Democrats
Speaker 1: to get out tomorrow because they're so upset about everything
Speaker 1: Elon Must does right now, Well that could be too
Speaker 1: And you know there's always a question whether you know
Speaker 1: these endorsements like go per win for your Elon Musk
Speaker 1: speaking out matter And I think we're going to have
Speaker 1: to see that. Tomorrow night, the next time we talked,
Speaker 1: the polls will be just about to close, and I'll
Speaker 1: be walking down the hall into the studio with Rick
Speaker 1: and Genie for special coverage. I hope you come along.
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