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Speaker 2: Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening. Ela body here,

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Speaker 2: you are listening to episode two hundred and fifty five

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Speaker 2: of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast. Reconnect with everyone from

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Speaker 2: your favorite athletes to top experts and industry CEOs about

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Speaker 1: trail for five minutes and they hop back up and

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Speaker 1: run again. There's usually a handful of sleep stations that

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Speaker 1: are inside aid stations. If you want to sleep there,

443
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Speaker 1: you can. But the goal is really just pushing the

444
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Speaker 1: humid limits of endurance and how fast can we get

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Speaker 1: from point A to point B in two hundred and

446
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Speaker 1: fifty miles? And so this was my first go at it.

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Speaker 1: It happened on May fifth in Arizona. It was basically

448
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Speaker 1: a two of Arizona point to point from Phoenix to

449
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Speaker 1: flag Staff. And it took me eighty seven hours to

450
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Speaker 1: complete it. And I probably slept maybe just under three

451
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Speaker 1: hours total, sometimes on a rock, sometimes in the back

452
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Speaker 1: of a car.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the goal is to move as fast as

454
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Speaker 3: you can. Man.

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Speaker 2: I feel as though it's so funny because like you

456
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Speaker 2: started talking and you were noting that the two hundred

457
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Speaker 2: mile races are a new thing. But it's like we

458
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Speaker 2: again two hundred and fifty like, I don't feel like

459
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Speaker 2: they should even be in the same category, because it's

460
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Speaker 2: almost as though we're saying that those fifty miles are

461
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Speaker 2: kind of irrelevant, and fifty miles is anything but irrelevant.

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Speaker 3: Sally, right, I know it's crazy. I know.

463
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Speaker 1: I hit the two hundred mile mark and I'm really

464
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Speaker 1: fifty more miles and my watch consequently was two hundred

465
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Speaker 1: and sixty two miles of the finish line, and so

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is like, actually like three hundred miles, Like,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: Actually? Very rude, very rude.

469
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Speaker 2: And so how does the the did you call it

470
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Speaker 2: the World Series?

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Speaker 3: So it's the Grand Slam of Grand Slam.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, different sport here, Okay, how does that Grand Slam

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Speaker 2: work then?

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Speaker 3: For you?

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Speaker 1: So the Grand Slam is completing four of these two hundreds.

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Speaker 1: There's Cocoonona two fifteen in Arizona, the next one is

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Speaker 1: Tahoe two hundred northern California, then Bigfoot two hundred in Washington,

478
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Speaker 1: and then it ends with Moab two forty in Utah.

479
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Speaker 1: None of them are two hundred miles. So Lake Tayloe

480
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Speaker 1: is like two hundred and nine, Bigfoot is two hundred

481
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Speaker 1: and six or seven, and then Moab is two forty.

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Speaker 3: And one's Tahoe. Tahoe is in fifty three days the

483
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Speaker 3: end of July. Crazy. How does that make you feel, Sally? Yeah,

484
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Speaker 3: I'm excited. My goal for this year was to learn

485
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Speaker 3: the distance, so we launched a YouTube channel. We have

486
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Speaker 3: a series.

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Speaker 1: There's like a fifteen episode series called Training for a

488
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Speaker 1: two hundred, and it's really just like my journey of

489
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Speaker 1: learning how to train, learning how these races work, and

490
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Speaker 1: we're going to continue to do that this year.

491
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Speaker 3: So I'm very much a rookie.

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Speaker 1: I don't go into the races thinking like because I've

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Speaker 1: done hundreds, you know, my whole career, that I know

494
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Speaker 1: what I'm doing because they are run very differently. But

495
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Speaker 1: I am having a lot of fun. I love just

496
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Speaker 1: being a student of the sport. I think it's so

497
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Speaker 1: important to always be learning, and this has been a

498
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Speaker 1: really exciting way to just learn a new It's really

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Speaker 1: a new event.

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Speaker 3: Ye, I mean, your excitement's contagious.

501
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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever asked this on the show before,

502
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Speaker 2: But how are your feet?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, my feet are good. Last week was my

504
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: was my first full week where I could actually put

505
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Speaker 3: on real shoes and start training again. The first two

506
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Speaker 3: weeks were were pretty bad, so I'm just so grateful

507
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Speaker 3: for them to heal. But the one wound on the

508
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Speaker 3: back of my.

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Speaker 1: Right foot, it was it was it was pretty gnarly

510
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Speaker 1: and it's I mean, this is where social media is great.

511
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Speaker 1: I had doctors, nurses, like wound care nurses reach out

512
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Speaker 1: to me and say, like, you have an ulcer, like,

513
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Speaker 1: here's what you need to order, here's like what you

514
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Speaker 1: need to do. Like all these people told me how

515
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Speaker 1: to treat it. So it was amazing. So I was

516
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Speaker 1: on Amazon on my way home and ordered all this

517
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Speaker 1: like special all these special products and had to had

518
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Speaker 1: like three day, three times a day. I had to

519
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Speaker 1: treat it, change out the bandages and and yeah, it's

520
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: you can't speed up, you know, the process of a

521
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Speaker 1: wound as much as you want to. But it did

522
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Speaker 1: teach me to be very patient, so I was still

523
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Speaker 1: able to train. I just wore really weird stuff on

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Speaker 1: my feet. Like so I've been training since Monday after

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Speaker 1: the race. The race ended on a Thursday night, no

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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon. I think it was took me three and

527
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Speaker 1: a half days, so but I was back training that Monday,

528
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Speaker 1: but just mainly just like mobility, strength training and doing

529
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Speaker 1: the stair mill.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I said, there were two things that I wanted to

532
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Speaker 2: note about laying the foundation. We talked about the logistics

533
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Speaker 2: of your last race. I don't want to get too

534
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Speaker 2: far into your backstory because, like I said, you've been

535
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Speaker 2: on the show and we talked about it before. But

536
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Speaker 2: I do want to just give a little bit of

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Speaker 2: context for those who may be new to you, so

538
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Speaker 2: that they can understand that this isn't your first rodeo

539
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: and that you didn't just start doing this yesterday. So

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Speaker 2: can you just give us, let's say, like an abridged

541
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Speaker 2: summary of when you started, when you tag your first

542
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Speaker 2: hundred and a timeline there so we can put the

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Speaker 2: pieces together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I started running ultras in well. I started training for

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Speaker 1: them in two thousand and nine, ran my first one

547
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Speaker 1: in April of twenty.

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Speaker 3: Ten with a one in three year old.

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Speaker 1: I loved him so much that year that I piled

550
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Speaker 1: on all the races and injured myself. So I took

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Speaker 1: all of twenty eleven off, came back in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: In twenty thirteen and tried to figure out a way

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Speaker 1: to make a career of it, and the end of

554
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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, right at the beginning of twenty fourteen, was

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Speaker 1: contacted by Nike and signed my first pro contract.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, as you hear, this isn't something that you

557
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: just started doing. And before when you mentioned that you

558
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Speaker 2: needed to lay the foundation to get into this, I

559
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: was thinking about how that is clearly applicable, not just

560
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: here within racing in your case or in anybody else

561
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Speaker 2: who claims to be or wants to be an endurance athlete,

562
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Speaker 2: but it really is the case in everything. And you

563
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 2: saw firsthand what happened when you try to overdo it,

564
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: when you tried to jump into the deep end without

565
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Speaker 2: truly giving yourself what you needed to do so without

566
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Speaker 2: equipping to this level. So you've seen it both ways,

567
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: and you've seen how it can feel if you go

568
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Speaker 2: to extreme and then what you are capable of on

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Speaker 2: the inverse of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when I first started, I mean I

571
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Speaker 1: loved it so much. It was like, oh my gosh,

572
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Speaker 1: sports incredible. And then I had no guide. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there was no books on there on how to train

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Speaker 1: for ultras. There was nothing. I mean, in two thousand

575
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Speaker 1: and nine, twenty ten, it was you were really figuring

576
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Speaker 1: it out for yourself, and looking back, like a lot

577
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Speaker 1: of the training programs or if you just copied someone,

578
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Speaker 1: it was like really odd training. And so I think

579
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Speaker 1: that I just watched what people did online and it

580
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Speaker 1: just seemed like we'll race these things all the time.

581
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Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, i'll do that too,

582
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Speaker 1: without really giving respect to you know, that proper build.

583
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Speaker 1: And so I learned my lesson, you know, right away,

584
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Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, I'd been an athlete my

585
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Speaker 1: old life as a soccer player, and I understood what

586
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Speaker 1: it means to train season in, season out, how long

587
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: it takes to build to be the best. It's never overnight.

588
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Speaker 1: But you know, even now, when I look back where

589
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: I was in twenty nine, twenty ten to today, social

590
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: media is way more rampant than what it was, and

591
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Speaker 1: I think that we can get really like stressed out.

592
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Not even with running. I see a lot of people

593
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Speaker 1: lose steam and get frustrated because of a timetable. You know,

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Speaker 1: they get in and they try something and they're like, dude,

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Speaker 1: I'm struggling.

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Speaker 3: I'm not good at this.

597
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Speaker 1: I'm not as fast or i'm not as fit or

598
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Speaker 1: I'm not seeing results, And the more you talk to them,

599
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Speaker 1: you're like, dude, you've literally been in this for six months.

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Speaker 1: Like you aren't supposed to see results right away. Like

601
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Speaker 1: in fact, you as an individual, it might take you

602
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Speaker 1: a couple of years. Look at your background, like who

603
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: are you uniquely? Like did you play sports in high school? No?

604
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Speaker 3: I did you know? I played the violin?

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Speaker 1: Well, you are going to be have a way different

606
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Speaker 1: foundation than someone that was a basketball player for you know,

607
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Speaker 1: middle school, June, you know, in high school and is

608
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Speaker 1: now wanting to run like that. You're just you just

609
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: have a different you know, path, And I think it's

610
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Speaker 1: so much it's much easier when you look at where

611
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Speaker 1: you've come from and what you want to accomplish and

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Speaker 1: allow yourself to patiently build, knowing you know, I am

613
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Speaker 1: going to get there, but I want to lay this big, wide,

614
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Speaker 1: strong foundation first and see how how much I can grow.

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Speaker 3: But that's hard, it's hard to communicate that, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: To believe in that when you open up, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe like Instagram or TikTok, and it's like everything you

618
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: see is hard hitting and and everything is just like

619
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Speaker 1: strong and fast and muscular and like, you know, go go,

620
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Speaker 1: go go. So you know, you don't see a it's

621
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Speaker 1: not exciting to post like a year of aerobic based training.

622
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Speaker 1: Nobody talks about that, Like spending a whole year aerobic

623
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Speaker 1: base training. That's so freaking boring. But it's like that's

624
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: like the most powerful thing you can do putting in

625
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Speaker 1: that groundwork. So yeah, I've learned my lesson many times.

626
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've made every mistake in the book.

627
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Speaker 2: I'm not definitely not above anything, you know, And the

628
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: forward to your book, I'm going to read something that

629
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: Nick writes. He writes, there's an unpopular opinion about heart,

630
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: and the truth is it's all relative. What is easy

631
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: for you now was hard at some point in your past.

632
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: What is hard for you now should be easier for

633
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Speaker 2: you at some point in the future. That's growth, and

634
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: growth is a choice. It's never by chance. And so

635
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: for you now to have the opportunity to offer someone

636
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: a piece of advice who might be going through their

637
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: own version of your twenty eleven, that moment where they

638
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: do have to pull back, they do have to make

639
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: the choice that strong isn't how they vision.

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00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: What advice do you offer them. You know, there's a

641
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: couple things that I like to say.

642
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: The biggest one is just believe in yourself and realize

643
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: that nobody gets to be you. And I know, innately

644
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of hard because you know, I talk a

645
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: lot just every day on social media, people send these

646
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: amazing messages. I get emails and and through my website

647
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: and people share some pretty intense stories. But you know,

648
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: you interact with people who just don't like being themselves,

649
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: and they it's so easy for them to list all

650
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Speaker 1: the reasons they can't do something, and it could be like,

651
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Speaker 1: you know, well, you know, I'm too big, or I'm

652
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: too weak, I'm too petite, I'm like you know, so

653
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: they list all the reasons they can't do something and

654
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: are so good at tearing themselves down that it's hard

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Speaker 1: to tell somebody who has that view of themselves believe

656
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: in yourself. I mean, what does that even mean to

657
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: someone that's really struggling with even appreciating who they are uniquely?

658
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: And but that is like what I always lead with is, first,

659
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Speaker 1: do you understand that apart from what you're seeing all

660
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Speaker 1: around you, do you know that no one else can

661
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: feel what you feel? And can live your life and

662
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: go after the things that you love for you, no

663
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: one can do that for you. And there's just one you,

664
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: and there's so many things that make you unique that

665
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Speaker 1: you get to paint this masterpiece, you get to write

666
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Speaker 1: this story, You get to go on a journey that

667
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Speaker 1: you create that is full of all the things that

668
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Speaker 1: you love and that you're passionate about, regardless of what

669
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Speaker 1: people have told you in your past. You know, the

670
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Speaker 1: way it was supposed to be is that like from

671
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Speaker 1: the time you were a child, the things that set

672
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: your heart on fire, those natural interests that you had.

673
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: You know, we all have different things that we're good at.

674
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Speaker 1: You even you know people some people say I'm not

675
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Speaker 1: good in anything, but it's like, no, you are. And

676
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a sport. But like, if

677
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Speaker 1: you believe that you are here for a purpose, like

678
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Speaker 1: going after your dreams, things that you love, it does

679
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Speaker 1: make it a little bit easier because you actually believe

680
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Speaker 1: that even though I can't see the finish line, even

681
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: though I can't see the light at the end of

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Speaker 1: the tunnel, like if I just keep going, I'm going

683
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Speaker 1: to discover that. And so I think for when people

684
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Speaker 1: are pursuing you know, let's say a five K goal

685
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: or getting a new job, or even like a relationship.

686
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: It's like number first and foremost, believe in what is

687
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: you're doing. But two, you're not supposed to have all

688
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: the answers. And if you were, you would have been

689
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: born with a book that told you how to do everything.

690
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Speaker 1: And no one has it figured out. And so even

691
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: the greats that you're admiring, or those people that you

692
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: look up to, or those heroes, they all had to

693
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: start where you start. They all had to be awkward

694
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: and fail and really miss the mark over and over again.

695
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Speaker 1: And they too have those days of low self esteem

696
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: and disbelief and hard days, just like you do. Because

697
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: we're all human. And so I really tackled just the

698
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Speaker 1: mental side first. I really think that our mental perspective

699
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: is so much more powerful than Okay, well how fast

700
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Speaker 1: can you run a mile? And how strong are your quads?

701
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: And like, give me, you know, how long can you hold

702
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: that plank? For? I mean, anyone can build up into that.

703
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: We can all build physical strength. I mean it's amazing

704
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: that even a nine year old person can build muscle

705
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: in the gym like we were made to be physically strong,

706
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: but helping someone with their mental game, that's what we

707
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: lead with. We lead with like where is your heart pointed?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: And how do you see yourself when you look in

710
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: the mirror? Do you look in the mirror and rip

711
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: yourself to shreds? And if you do, where that come from?

712
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: I guarantee it didn't start with you. You know, it

713
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: started with a loss or hurt or like something that

714
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Speaker 1: somebody said, or just this lie that you believed because

715
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Speaker 1: you obsessed over it on social media.

716
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Speaker 3: It was never true.

717
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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's kind of like my messaging is always

718
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: kind of tackles that, you know, I always I write

719
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,120
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720
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Speaker 1: talking about running, but I'm like rarely talking about running.

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756
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757
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758
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm a big believer and too much

760
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: as given, much as required, Like, I don't take my

761
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: platform lightly. And I think that for any time we're

762
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Speaker 1: given an audience, when we're given this opportunity to connect

763
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: with a multitude of people, And this is just you know,

764
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: a personal you know, belief that I have. I just

765
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: I think that the more that we make it about ourselves,

766
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: the more dangerous of a position that we are putting

767
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: ourselves in. Because at the end of the day, I

768
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: am just as human as every person next to me.

769
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: I am capable of saying and doing things that are

770
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: hurtful and things that are that you know that I

771
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: wish I could take back. I mean, I'm just as imperfect.

772
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: There is nothing innately more superior, great about me. And

773
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: so I don't take my platform lightly, and I think

774
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: that really valuing. I really value people's time. So when

775
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: people take the time to write me this really long

776
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: email and they're pouring out their heart, and I don't

777
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: take that lightly.

778
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Speaker 3: It is it.

779
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: Over like the years, especially the past couple of years,

780
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: it's been hard, you know, because the amount of messages

781
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: that come in, It's like I can't always get back

782
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: to everybody. I can't always give, you know, a verbose response,

783
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: and so you know, I've done my best. Like more

784
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: and more as we create content, I'm like, how can

785
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: I take the overall message or the overall reason why

786
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: people reach out to me and turn that into response

787
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: for them, turn that into content that really touches on

788
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: these on these points.

789
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Speaker 3: And so that's that's really where I'm I'm.

790
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Speaker 1: Going, you know, in these next few years, is just

791
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: I really want to create content, and and even just

792
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: the decisions I make with with racing and adventuring and

793
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: some of these bigger projects that I'm doing, it's well,

794
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: what is the what's the overall like purpose of this?

795
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: Like how can we reach people in like a greater

796
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: way than I don't need to highlight things about like

797
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: my medals or like my accomplishments because they they're so fleeting,

798
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: and you know, but I do think it's like so

799
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: awesome when I go to an event and I meet

800
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: someone who says, you know, I finally signed up for

801
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: a five K I've wanted to do one for years,

802
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: and I just I want to say thank you because

803
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: you know whatever this post or that video or something

804
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: you said that it made me think I could try.

805
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: You know, like that's man, that that's that's a career

806
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: that's fulfilling, is knowing we can impact people. And kind

807
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: of just going back to what I had said earlier,

808
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: it's why we wanted to build the Choose Strong community

809
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: and not you know, the Salem McCray community or the

810
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Salad Cray podcast or the Salm Cray book.

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Speaker 3: It was like, what is what can I do with.

812
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Speaker 1: My career that when I'm gone, that it still continues,

813
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: that there's still a lasting impact that other people carry

814
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: on and spread for themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And what I'm hearing you say here is that

816
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: you know the intention behind what you're doing, and just

817
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: because you may not be able to within your capacity,

818
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: respond to every single person that reaches out to you.

819
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 2: That does not mean that you don't want the world

820
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: for them, And so to know that and then use

821
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: that to inform the decisions that you make moving forward

822
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: is exemplary of the heart that you have and the

823
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: determination that you have to help others beyond your example

824
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: of physical greatness, but also with what you can do

825
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Speaker 2: with your heart.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

827
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think so many of our issues, even

828
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: in today's world, I mean a lot of it comes

829
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Speaker 1: back to just the heart of a person, the heart

830
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Speaker 1: of an individual, which I think, unfortunately has been ignored.

831
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Speaker 1: You know, we want to throw everyone into a group.

832
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: We want to throw everyone into a mass and be like, well,

833
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: you belong in this group, and you belong in this

834
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: group because you said this, or you look like this,

835
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: or you do this, and it's like, man, we're missing

836
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: out on the heart, the unique heart of the individual

837
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: and who people are individually. And I want to continue

838
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: to kind of send that message like who you are

839
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: uniquely is so precious and that is how we should

840
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: live our life as unique individuals and to graciously and

841
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: lovingly see each other that way too. We're in a

842
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: hard space right now where we don't always do that.

843
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: You know, we have so many labels for people. Oh

844
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: you voted for this person, or you like this, Okay, no, cancel, done,

845
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: You're gone. It's like whoa like that person might be

846
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: super awesome, or that person might encourage you. That person

847
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: could be your next best friend, you know, and that's

848
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: someone that you could need someday. And I think we

849
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: need each other. And I think that we each individually

850
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: serve a purpose in this world. And I think if

851
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: we forget that, it's easy to lose sight of our

852
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: own life. I mean, you hear a lot of people

853
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: that are trying to find purpose in this world and

854
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: in their life. And I think as a culture, people

855
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: are more depressed and lost and they've ever been in

856
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: the history of human mankind. And yeah, so we need

857
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: more people that are out there encouraging others and pointing

858
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: out like the good and each other, pointing out the

859
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: strength and each other and telling each other, yeah, we

860
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: can do this and we can be strong. And that's

861
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: like where our tagline came from. Strong mind, strong bodies,

862
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: Strong love. Was like, let's let's kind of talk about that,

863
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: you know.

864
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot of compassion here now, speaking of compassion,

865
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: how are you going to have compassion for yourself fifty

866
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: three days out to Tahoe?

867
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Speaker 3: What does compassion look like towing that.

868
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Speaker 2: Starting line for yet another adventure, considering what you've only

869
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: just recently been through.

870
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Speaker 1: Yeah, today, you know, doing this podcast, like, I feel

871
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: really good, I feel strong, and I know that that

872
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: is really just a direct result of how many years

873
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: I've been in this. So I remember the time in

874
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Speaker 1: my life when one hundred miles was like a big

875
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: scary distance to me. Recovering from one hundred miles was huge,

876
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: like that took a very long time, and it was

877
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: just this wow, Like that distance, Well, a one hundred

878
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: mile race was part of my training leading up to Cocadona.

879
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: I did it literally in the middle of a training block.

880
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: I didn't taper for it. I didn't I didn't do

881
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: a long recovery for it. Went why back into training

882
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: the day after, and I remember celebrating that now our

883
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: bodies are so resilient, our bodies are so adaptable, and

884
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: it's incredible what we can do when we build.

885
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: Up to that.

886
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: That took me ten years to be able to feel

887
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: that way. That wasn't just a direct result of like,

888
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, six months of training was a long time

889
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: to where my body was like, yeah, one hundred miles

890
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: just doesn't hit the same way anymore. So as I

891
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: lead up into Tahoe, when I think fifty three days,

892
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, that's a really long time before I

893
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: get there. But one of the things I've expressed with

894
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: the community is like, I'd love to take people on

895
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: the ride with my learning journey, and every race I

896
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: do something different. So the race coming up Tahoe two hundred,

897
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to try different strategies. I'm going to approach

898
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: the race differently now that I have one under my belt,

899
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: Like I've learned a little bit, I'm going to use

900
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: some of that knowledge. I definitely have a lot of

901
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: enthusiasm for.

902
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: It, enthusiasm being the guiding light in this Wow. It's

903
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: just truly so impressive and clearly takes like a certain

904
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: level of resilience. We've talked so much today about the

905
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: power of community and how you've had this unique opportunity

906
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: through pursuing your passions to inspire others. When you seek

907
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: for inspiration beyond what you know to be true within yourself,

908
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: what do you look to.

909
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that I look to for inspiration,

910
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: and I think some of the more most natural ones

911
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: are you know, I've been a mom for a while now.

912
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: My kids are fifteen and seventeen, and they definitely inspire

913
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: me while I'm racing, especially when I'm hitting low points,

914
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: and they are genuinely my greatest fans, and which just

915
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: warms my heart because a lot of times teenagers are

916
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: not the biggest fans of their parents, so.

917
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: Which is totally fine.

918
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the season, you know, like it,

919
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: it's like that part of independence is like, yeah, I'm

920
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: going to be as far away from you as possible, mom.

921
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: But my kids are like pretty amazing at encouraging me

922
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: and remembering me, and so when I hit those hard

923
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: patches in racing or training, I remember them and know

924
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: that they're watching, and that really inspires me to keep

925
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: going and show them this is what it looks like,

926
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, moving and chasing goals and trying to get

927
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: the best out of ourselves. So that's a big one.

928
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: And then you know, the second thing, and probably the first.

929
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: All it has been so consistent my life is just faith.

930
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's been some really rough times I've had

931
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: just life in general, but you know, holding on to

932
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: faith and falling into prayer each day, and that's that's

933
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: really been a strong foundation in my life. And when

934
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: I feel lost or when I feel like I just

935
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what to do. I mean,

936
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: I just think that is has been like the guiding

937
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: light in my life. And then of course community. I

938
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: have some amazing friends around me, an incredible husband who

939
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: who supports me and all my endeavors, and I do

940
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: feel so blessed to have that, because I know a

941
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: lot of people don't have people that support.

942
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 3: Them and all that they do, and so really grateful

943
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: for that.

944
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: He talks so beautifully about, you know, the impact that

945
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: losing your mother had on you in your writing and

946
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 2: of course in our previous conversations and in your book,

947
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: you wrote, I choose strong because if Mama could do

948
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: that in the face of death, I could too, could

949
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: do it with the abundance of life in my chest.

950
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: I chose strong that day, and I've chosen strong ever since.

951
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: It was the choice that changed everything. Now knowing that,

952
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: knowing that you have the capability to choose strong, and

953
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: that ebbs and flows and what it looks like regularly,

954
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: what do you do on the days when strength truly

955
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: does not feel like an option, And what advice do

956
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: you have to offer on that front.

957
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you kind of said it right there

958
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: in the statement, I realized.

959
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: And in that book, I mean, it's.

960
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: A two part memoir. So that's the first book and

961
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: it just covers four to eighteen. So the first eighteen

962
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: years of my life I learned at a really young age.

963
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: It did a lot of growing up at a young age,

964
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: and I learned that if I got so wrapped up

965
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: in my feelings and got so wrapped up in what

966
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: I was feeling in that moment, I experienced a lot

967
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: of scary moments.

968
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: You know.

969
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: I struggled with whether or not I should continue on

970
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: in life and if it was even worth it. It was,

971
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, bad news and bad experience one after the

972
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: other for several years. It was like there was no

973
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel. And as a

974
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: kid and you're growing and you're looking around you and

975
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: you're just like, my life sucks compared to everyone else's, Like,

976
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: it's easy just to get so wrapped up in yourself

977
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: and how you are feeling and even dramatize it to

978
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: an extreme. And I know that I had a lot

979
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: of days that were like that, and now as an adult,

980
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: like I look back and I remember Little Sally and

981
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: all that I had went through and all that I

982
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: had overcome, and I realized that the more that I

983
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: focus on wanting a feeling, especially in those low moments

984
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: where I'm just feeling low, focusing on the feeling sometimes

985
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: paralyzes me. It paralyzes me because it's hard to really

986
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: understand that that feeling's going to end, that that feeling

987
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: is maybe fleeting in the moment, or even if it

988
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: lasts for several days, that I can then choose to

989
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: step out of the feeling and into just what is true.

990
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: And that's what I reach for. I just want the

991
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: truth of the situation. I want the truth of my life,

992
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: and I have to go back to what is most

993
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: basic and true, and the truth is when I wake

994
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: up in the morning, I'm given another chance to live.

995
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: And there have been many stories in my life and

996
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: you'll read that in the book where I didn't know

997
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: that it was going to be the worst day of

998
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: my life. I didn't know that that horrible thing was

999
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: going to happen, because some days were freaking amazing, you know,

1000
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: like I didn't know that was me the best day

1001
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: of my life, or this amazing thing was going to happen.

1002
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: You just don't know how life is going to be.

1003
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: You can't change what happened the day before. You don't

1004
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: have any control what happened the next day. But you know,

1005
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: waking up and feeling all the feels and just staying

1006
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: in the feelings is it's difficult. It's difficult to overcome that.

1007
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: And I realized that what was going on in my

1008
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: mind was really powerful, and I could just choose to

1009
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: put those feelings down and go after what I knew

1010
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: to be true. And so it was I'm not going

1011
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: to think about how I feel. I'm just going to

1012
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: get out of bed. I'm not going to think about

1013
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: all the things that are making me sad and frustrated.

1014
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to put on my shoes and get in

1015
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: the sunshine. I'm not going to think about you know,

1016
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: these people are what happened to me, and like how

1017
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: like I feel like a victim of this and it

1018
00:51:59,239 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: just isn't fair.

1019
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 3: Life isn't fair.

1020
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: But I do know there's a job waiting for me,

1021
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: and I'm going to go do my job and I'm

1022
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: going to make a paycheck, and I'm going to get

1023
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: to soccer training and I'm going to train really hard,

1024
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: like I'm going to grab onto the things that I

1025
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: know to be true that I can actually do instead

1026
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: of like chase these feelings of like I just want

1027
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: to feel better. And eventually it was just a lot

1028
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: of years of doing that. It was a lot of

1029
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: days of just chasing what I knew to be true

1030
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: and what I knew to be good and whether or

1031
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: not I could see the light at the end of

1032
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: the tunnel.

1033
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: I eventually was there.

1034
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. It's doing the best you can

1035
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: with what you have. And I so appreciate your transparency

1036
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: and your odd honesty. It really is refreshing to hear

1037
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: that despite the feelings that may linger of frustration and wondering,

1038
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: if you are worthy that if you just focus on

1039
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: what is within your control at any given moment, then

1040
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 2: there is possibility there when all possibility does feel completely lost.

1041
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's definitely easier said than done. I mean,

1042
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: I think you know to the listeners, and we've all

1043
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:15,479
Speaker 1: been in those moments, especially when we're alone where it's like, man,

1044
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: it just seems dark and hopeless, and this is like

1045
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: one frustration after the other, and I hate this and

1046
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: I've just I think there's little things that we can do,

1047
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: Like I've I've had those moments where I'm like, you know,

1048
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put on my shoes and walk out

1049
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: and breathe fresh air. And sometimes it's like I've I

1050
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: do these things too where I'm like, Okay, I'm going

1051
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: to interact to something. You could go to a copyouse

1052
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: and like talk to the barista, like go and sit

1053
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: down and like be a friend to somebody, hold the

1054
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: door open for someone. My kids and I we do

1055
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: this thing. I we live here in southern California. We

1056
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: have a really big homeless community around us, and I

1057
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: think it's really easy to be just so negative and

1058
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: about it. But I've taught my kids, like you know,

1059
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: there's choosing kindness and doing things that are kind for people.

1060
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 1: It has like the greatest impact on your heart because

1061
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 1: anyone can be mean, anyone can turn to blind eye

1062
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: and turn a cold shoulder to someone. And so we

1063
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: and I don't really ever share this, but we try

1064
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: to do something like once a week for someone. So

1065
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: like last week, we saw this guy, you know, sitting

1066
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: in the freezing cold it's about to rain, and my

1067
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: son grabbed a blanket from our car and brought it

1068
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: out to him. And we have this thing where I say,

1069
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: whenever you do something for someone or you have to

1070
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: ask their name and you tell them your name, and

1071
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: you tell them it's so good to meet them, and

1072
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, leave them with a kind word. And so

1073
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: that's become routine. We've done that for years, ever since

1074
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: my kids were little. But I really believe that sometimes

1075
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: the best way to get out of ourselves and like

1076
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: the sadness and the darkness that we're feeling, or the

1077
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: hopelessness or that beating each other ourselves up, is to

1078
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: turn outward and reach out to people you know around you.

1079
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's just being kind and maybe even taking

1080
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: the bigger step of like okay, I can go and

1081
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: like do something with such great intention now now reevaluate

1082
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: how you feel, you know after you do that, and

1083
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: it's really powerful. And I think that that's that's it's

1084
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: so simple, it's so simple to be kind, but it's

1085
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: amazing when you give kindness how it like fills your

1086
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: heart and you're like, yeah, there's there's more going on

1087
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: out there than what's going on inside of me.

1088
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, putting that energy out into the world.

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Speaker 2: Your kids are some lucky kids to have an example

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Speaker 2: like you to lead that way and to show them

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Speaker 2: how impactful a little bit of kindness can truly be. Now,

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Speaker 2: why did you decide to make this a two part memoir?

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Speaker 1: You know, the first part of my life is something

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Speaker 1: that I've only shared in bits and pieces, you know,

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Speaker 1: as as I as I've been in the sport for

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Speaker 1: a long time, there's a few things that and some

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Speaker 1: of it is like comical to me. But like I've

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Speaker 1: I'm known for a couple of things, and one of

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Speaker 1: them is strength training as a runner.

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Speaker 3: I came in.

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Speaker 1: It was very unpopular when I When I came in,

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Speaker 1: I had got a lot of criticism and pushed back

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00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: from it, but I like loved it. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I'm here to stay and I got huge thighs

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Speaker 1: and I love to lift heavy.

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Speaker 3: So but it's.

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Speaker 1: Such a like in my mind, I'm like, it's such

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Speaker 1: a superficial thing. And then the other thing is like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I think that, uh, you know, I get interviewed

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Speaker 1: a lot, and people, you know, they like to talk

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00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: about mindset with me as probably the number one thing

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Speaker 1: that that people talk about with me is like this

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Speaker 1: strong mindset, where does that come from? And and pushing

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Speaker 1: through these tough things and you've done these gnarly races

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Speaker 1: and and some of them have been like pretty painful.

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Speaker 1: So it's always like this topic, and I've always wanted

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Speaker 1: to share the foundation of my strength and where that

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Speaker 1: comes from, and really share in a way that people

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Speaker 1: understand that it's not something special about me. It's not

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Speaker 1: something that's like this like I'm on another level or

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Speaker 1: you know, something extraordinary. It really is just was laid

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Speaker 1: in the foundation in me as a child. Has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with lifting weights in a gym. It has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with like my athleticism or because I'm

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Speaker 1: a professional athlete.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to break.

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Speaker 1: Up the book into two parts because it is such

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Speaker 1: a separate part of who I am and that most

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Speaker 1: people don't understand that. When I present the second book,

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Speaker 1: which is more of like me as a mom turning

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00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: a professional runner and like my running today, like that

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00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: one's going to be very heavy on the running. But

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Speaker 1: the two they go hand in hand, but the first

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Speaker 1: book needed to stand alone. It needed to stand alone

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00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: because it is hard hitting. I'll be honest, if anyone

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00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: listening is going to read my book, it is not

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Speaker 1: a book about running, but I do talk about running

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Speaker 1: in there. But I am very much talking to the

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00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: reader all throughout the book, but it is in a.

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Speaker 3: Really intense way and it's very human.

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Speaker 1: I think it was important to me that I got

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Speaker 1: down on that very human raw level and help people

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Speaker 1: understand that. You know, I spent over you know, like

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Speaker 1: first fifteen years, well, first twenty years of my life

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00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: just battling a lot of very difficult situations in my life,

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Speaker 1: and I really do identify and I can understand with

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00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: a lot of different people for that reason. And when

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00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: I write even today, it's a lot of it comes

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00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: from that time in my life and really wanting people

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00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: to understand, like you can overcome so much and even

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00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: if you are coming from a space where you've been

1152
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: oppressed or abused or hurt or totally lost for years

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00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: and years and years, there still is hope for you.

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Speaker 1: And I think that being an ultra runner, you talk

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00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: about enduring for so long, and like how long can

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00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: you handle this?

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Speaker 3: How long can you take this?

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00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there are a lot of

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00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: years in my life where I was like, is this

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00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: ever going in?

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00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: Is it ever going to get better?

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Speaker 1: And so I love making that just my message to people,

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00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: and that really is what that book is. It's hard

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: at times to read, but I think the overall messaging

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00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: is one of hope and it's one that I really

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00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: hope encourages people from all walks of life. That it

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00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: wasn't like I just had this one hard experience in

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Speaker 1: my life and it only lasted six months and then

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00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: it was over. It's like, no, it was like almost

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Speaker 1: two decades that I lived through and pushed through. And

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Speaker 1: if you would have told me when I was a

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Speaker 1: kid that I would be doing what I was, what

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Speaker 1: I'm doing today with two children and a supportive husband,

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Speaker 1: I mean I would have it would have been I

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01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: would have laughed. I wouldn't have believed. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's why life is so beautiful. You know you're in

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01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: the storm, but you have no idea of the beauty

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01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: that awaits you on the other side of that storm.

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Speaker 1: And I certainly didn't. I certainly didn't. I didn't believe

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Speaker 1: in it really crawled my way through it, and so

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Speaker 1: I just felt like that book had to stand alone

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01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: because originally the book was over five hundred pages, and

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01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: we went back and forth with that. I'm like, how

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01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: many people were to read a five hundred page book.

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Speaker 1: Let's get started on that. But also like the two

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Speaker 1: seasons of my life from all the way uptime, like

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Speaker 1: twenty and then twenty to present, they're very different and

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01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: the focus is very different.

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Speaker 3: So I just felt, Okay, I'm going to split the

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Speaker 3: book up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean, I think I can speak for

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Speaker 2: all that We're gruateful that you're sharing your story, the

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: gritty parts, the tough parts, the highs and.

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Speaker 3: The lows, all of them make you who you are.

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Speaker 2: And through the work that you do opening up and

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Speaker 2: getting vulnerable about your experiences, that allows others to feel

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Speaker 2: less alone in their difficult journeys and then also is

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Speaker 2: inspiring for so many to go after the things that

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Speaker 2: at one point, just like you, you did not feel

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Speaker 2: to be possible. Now writing the book, any big takeaways

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Speaker 2: you want.

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Speaker 3: To share about that process with us before I start

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01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 3: to let you go. Yeah, yeah, writing the book it

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01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 3: took me a long time.

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Speaker 1: I started I want to say almost twenty years ago,

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Speaker 1: and I realized that I needed to just get to

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Speaker 1: a better place emotionally mentally before I told Before I

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01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: told those stories, and I did put the book on

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01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 1: the shelf for many years because I was fearful of

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Speaker 1: telling those stories. I didn't know where it fit in

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01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: my life or if it was even necessary to share.

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Speaker 3: But as I've grown older.

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Speaker 1: And more and traveled more and more, realize like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: there's so many people all over the world that have

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01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: gone not only through similar experiences, but are looking for

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01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: that encouragement and hope in the darkness, I guess, and

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01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: out of the way that they have they themselves are in.

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01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you meet people that are just in rough

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: spots and you want to give them an encouraging word.

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Speaker 3: And so that's what this book is. You know, Sally,

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Speaker 3: you're such a bright light.

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Speaker 2: And the second that I shared the photo of us

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Speaker 2: from when I got to see you a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, the DMS came pouring. They were like, when's

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Speaker 2: Sally coming on the show? And I'm like, well, first

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Speaker 2: of them all. You must be a new hurdler because

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Speaker 2: you missed round one.

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Speaker 3: But don't you worry round who's trending, it's loading.

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Speaker 2: So I'm so grateful that you and I were finally

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01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: able not only to catch Black up properly, but also

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Speaker 2: carve some time to bring this convo to the hurdlers

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Speaker 2: back to the feed.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited for you in this big chapter.

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Speaker 2: I am so nervously anxious but also excited to follow

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Speaker 2: you in these next three races.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to see what you do, and I'm

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Speaker 3: going to be cheering you on one hundred percent of

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Speaker 3: the way. Thank you so much, Emily really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: For those that for those that don't follow along with

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01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: you just yet, they're missing out. How do they do that?

1241
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: How do they catch up with you? If they can

1242
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: even try?

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Speaker 1: You can follow me on Instagram at yellow Runner, and

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01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: when you click my link tree in there you can

1245
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: see all the other things for my podcast, YouTube and

1246
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: my app. It's my book. It's all in there. It's

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01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: all in there. I'm over at Emily Body and at

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Speaker 1: Hurdle Podcast. Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys next time.