WEBVTT - Jayson Stark reveals award picks

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we have Pennsylvania's finest with us, the great Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Famer Jason Stark, joining us right now. Jason, great

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on. Good to see you, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can see the look on your face. To me, the

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<v Speaker 1>look is I just took a deep breath and finished

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<v Speaker 1>putting out my epic article about my thoughts on awards.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you feel now that you put quote

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<v Speaker 1>penda paper and it's released to the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a relief to actually get that thing written.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a relief to actually read the comments because

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<v Speaker 2>you guys know how this works. When you make picks.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like ninety nine percent of America disagrees with

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<v Speaker 2>every pick. Like there's sniping about how could you leave

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<v Speaker 2>how could you put this guy in the tenth slot

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<v Speaker 2>in your al MVP. Right, So that's kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>fun of it, the debate. But it's overwhelming how people

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<v Speaker 2>react to every little picky. Why we do this.

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<v Speaker 3>We won't react to your ninth and tenth pick. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to just react to the standard ones, but as

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<v Speaker 3>soon because it's fresh. When the when the article came out,

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<v Speaker 3>did you ever did you get any comments that you

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<v Speaker 3>were like, dang it, How could I have forgotten that

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<v Speaker 3>point even though it may not have swayed? Why you

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<v Speaker 3>made the pick? Did anybody make any solid points? Or

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<v Speaker 3>was it just like? How on earth could you not

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<v Speaker 3>put Ellie Daya Cruz in here? Mom shot wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? All right, Well we're just going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>who won. I would say nobody has raised anything that

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't thought about, because I'll be honest, man, I

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<v Speaker 2>give this so much thought. I really try to think

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<v Speaker 2>about everything, so I'm ready for that stuff. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even have an actual vote on al MVP. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was hard to sleep for a few nights there

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<v Speaker 2>just thinking it through because I really wanted to vote

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<v Speaker 2>for cal Raleigh. I wanted to pick that guy. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get there. I thought I would, but when I

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<v Speaker 2>really looked at it, I couldn't get there. And I

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<v Speaker 2>feel awful about that part. So that's not a thought

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<v Speaker 2>process situation. That's just purely my emotions as someone who

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<v Speaker 2>appreciates something special, something historic, something great, but didn't vote

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<v Speaker 2>for that guy who did that thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Why couldn't you get there? And how close did you

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<v Speaker 3>get there? Like what factors made you get that close?

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<v Speaker 3>But why couldn't you quite get there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wasn't a catcher for a living. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably one of your criteria. But I actually went

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<v Speaker 2>into the process thinking I'm going to pick cal Raleigh.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to make sure I talk myself into cal Raleigh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I couldn't do it. See, when we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about history, it's a lot easier to follow history when

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<v Speaker 2>you're counting home runs. Cal Rawly has hit sixty home runs.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know it. It's a special number in the

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<v Speaker 2>history of the game. It's a special number in our lifetimes.

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<v Speaker 2>We know what sixty homers means. But there are other

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<v Speaker 2>ways to make history. And you know, are we numb

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<v Speaker 2>to how good at baseball Aaron Judges. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy with a two to ten OPS plus. He is

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<v Speaker 2>literally twice as good as the average player in his sport.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I started looking at the gap between Judge

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<v Speaker 2>and the next best hitter in his league, this was staggering.

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<v Speaker 2>Man on base he's sixty five points ahead. Slugging, he's

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<v Speaker 2>almost ninety points ahead OPS one hundred and seventy seven

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<v Speaker 2>points ahead of cal Raley. And I went back and

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<v Speaker 2>this took a long time. I thought to myself, how

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<v Speaker 2>often could anybody have done this? Like? Who has had

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<v Speaker 2>this season? So I went back. This is the ninety

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<v Speaker 2>fifth season of MVP voting. In all that time, Eric,

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<v Speaker 2>only two guys have had that big margin over the

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<v Speaker 2>next best player in their league. I'm thinking you've heard

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<v Speaker 2>of them. Ted Williams is one, Barry Bonds is the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's a form of history we don't keep track of.

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<v Speaker 2>But wow, right that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that is and that's what we're doing. We're comparing

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<v Speaker 3>they're not. You're not comparing Aaron Judge to the average

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<v Speaker 3>player or cal Raley to the average player. You're comparing

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<v Speaker 3>them to cal Rally to Aaron Judge. But yeah, what

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<v Speaker 3>that's exactly right. What is your decision because in your

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<v Speaker 3>article you said, I'm not going to make my vote

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<v Speaker 3>until the season is over. Cal gets to sixty three?

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<v Speaker 3>What say you, mister Stark?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I had to write this column for today, and

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<v Speaker 2>right now, this minute, I think I wouldn't change my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>But stuff can always happen that changes my mind. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'll know it if I see it. I'll know what

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<v Speaker 2>if I feel it. Right now, I think that I

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<v Speaker 2>got this right. I can tell you that if cal

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<v Speaker 2>Raley was in the National League and I was debating

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<v Speaker 2>Raleigh versus o'tani or Schwoerber or Soto or whoever else

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<v Speaker 2>you want to put as the main competition, I would

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<v Speaker 2>have gone cal Raleigh in the National League. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get to make that choice.

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<v Speaker 5>Interesting. I love all your answers. They're so intricate, and

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<v Speaker 5>you have a smile on your face when you do it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just incredible. I kind of wish you can go

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<v Speaker 5>down the line and ask, like other ballplayers what they

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<v Speaker 5>thought to kind of not sway you one way or another,

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<v Speaker 5>but the feel like this is what these ballplayers feel like.

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<v Speaker 5>Now on contraria, another guy Christopher Sanchez, he's one in

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<v Speaker 5>the nl CY Young No, what say you there?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the answer is no. You know, I picked

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Skins. And if you're asking me, is there a

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<v Speaker 2>case for Christopher Sanchez? There is definitely a case. But

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<v Speaker 2>what is it? Where would you look at Sanchez versus

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<v Speaker 2>schemes and say the answer is Sanchez other than what

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball Reference wins above replacement and that is essentially a tie.

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<v Speaker 2>Last I looked they were separated by what was it

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<v Speaker 2>a tenth of a point? On under a point? That's

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<v Speaker 2>a tie. Look at everything else, e er strikeouts, strikeout,

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<v Speaker 2>ray Whip. Tell me where Christopher Sanchez would get your

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<v Speaker 2>vote over Paul Skins.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, no, I wanted to hear what you had

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<v Speaker 5>to say to that. That's why I was being funny.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, think about this debate.

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<v Speaker 2>If Paul Skins pitched for a normal team, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he pitched for a team where he could actually win

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<v Speaker 2>a game where he gave up more than one run

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<v Speaker 2>that did not happen to him this year, what would

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<v Speaker 2>he have been like eighteen and three. We wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>blink twice. But because he's ten to ten, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be the first starting pitcher to ever win this award

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<v Speaker 2>without having a winning record. But how exactly is that

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<v Speaker 2>his fault?

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<v Speaker 3>Felix Hernandez almost almost did it, But yeah he was.

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<v Speaker 3>He was kind of in the same situation American League,

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<v Speaker 3>Cy Young. Is it cut and dry or should we

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<v Speaker 3>look a little bit deeper into the other two candidates?

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<v Speaker 3>I really only think there's one. It's Scooble and Crochet

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<v Speaker 3>with Todd's Yankee love to Max freed in the back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, Crochet is amazing. I love watching that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is the first year where I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>actually had a chance to talk to him, and I

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<v Speaker 2>really I love the way he thinks about not just pitching,

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<v Speaker 2>but being a number one that's really important to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He really accepts that responsibility. But there's something about Tarrek

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<v Speaker 2>scubel Man that just separates him from everybody else. And

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<v Speaker 2>when I watch him, here's that thing. He's that rare

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<v Speaker 2>guy in our sport who has no fear of the bat.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't fear anyone or anything, and all he does

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<v Speaker 2>is fill up the strike zone and nobody can hit him.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is the most simple way to explain

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<v Speaker 2>that he throws the highest percentage of pitches inside the

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<v Speaker 2>strike zone of any starting pitcher in the sport, and

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<v Speaker 2>yet the contact rate against pitches he throws in the

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<v Speaker 2>strike zone is the lowest of any starting pitcher in

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<v Speaker 2>the sport. Who does that? I can find anybody like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some Randy Johnson had some close calls, and Pedro

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<v Speaker 2>had some close calls. But in the twenty I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's twenty two years at sports Info Solutions has kept this.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find anyone with that higher percentage of pitches

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<v Speaker 2>in the zone and that lower contact rate in the zone.

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<v Speaker 2>He's amazing to me. And it all starts with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Jason, give us something else that you really enjoyed writing about,

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<v Speaker 1>award Wise within the article, tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>Who the American League Manager of the Year is. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have an answer for you on that one. I've

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<v Speaker 2>changed my mind seven times this month. What's What's what's

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<v Speaker 2>the right answer?

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<v Speaker 4>M guys? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Todd Kratz, Do you guys have an answer?

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<v Speaker 5>I would say I would go I'm just drawing a

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<v Speaker 5>blank here, but I go with the Mariners manager the

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<v Speaker 5>way the way they Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good pick. And I think John Schneider is

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<v Speaker 1>a good pick too with the Jays. Kratz, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta go with your first ever roommate we snored together.

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<v Speaker 5>This is why, this is why he can never vote

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<v Speaker 5>on anything, because.

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<v Speaker 2>It actually don't don't we think the answer is steven

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<v Speaker 2>vote if they complete this comeback, and that would mean

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<v Speaker 2>it would be the first year in the history of

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<v Speaker 2>manager the year voting that the same two guys won

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<v Speaker 2>two years in a row. I mean, I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>where it would wind up. But it's impossible, always impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>Manager of the Year never been more impossible than this.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, all right, we'll give it to us. You got

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<v Speaker 3>one vote this year. You're n L m VP.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got n L m VP, and you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get me to give this up. He's not allowed.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you give us the top What what you see

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<v Speaker 3>as the domineering traits of the guys that are in

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<v Speaker 3>the top five for the n L m VP.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I did write a lot about that show. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Otani guy just amazing to me how good he is

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<v Speaker 2>at so many things before we even get into the

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<v Speaker 2>pitching part where he's got a higher strikeout rate than

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Skein's. Okay, so there's that. But then when you

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<v Speaker 2>start ticking through the other candidates, kylesh Schwarber, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>metric that measures Kyle Schwarber. I'm always afraid that my

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<v Speaker 2>fellow voters are hung up on wins above replacement when

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<v Speaker 2>they vote, and that's all they look at. And so

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<v Speaker 2>no DH is ever going to be that guy who

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<v Speaker 2>blows you away in the winds above replacement column. And

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<v Speaker 2>yet the value of Kyle Schwarber exceeds is wins above replacement,

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<v Speaker 2>It exceeds fifty six homers. He's the man on that team,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best teams in the sport, and we

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<v Speaker 2>should all keep that in mind. I looked long and

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<v Speaker 2>hard about Juan Soto because he's having a year between

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<v Speaker 2>the on base, the power, and all the stolen bases

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<v Speaker 2>that only Barry Bonds has had. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly where he lands on the ballot, but it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be high no matter what happens to the Mets.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Herald Perdomo is a guy. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>clear now. We don't talk talk about him enough. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's not true in this show, but if you

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<v Speaker 2>ask me who's the most underrated player in baseball right

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<v Speaker 2>now today as we're talking, I think he's the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd probably start with those four guys. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>never easy to vote of these awards. That's a great call.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Perdomo's the most underrated player in the sport

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<v Speaker 1>right now for what he's putting together. I got one

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<v Speaker 1>more for you on the awards, and we'll finish with

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<v Speaker 1>the clinching scenarios for you. I love that you do

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<v Speaker 1>the LVP and the sayyuk. I know it's not always

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<v Speaker 1>easy to put that together, but hey, we're analyzing the league,

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<v Speaker 1>the good and the bad. I'll mostly leave it for

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<v Speaker 1>people to actually check out the article. But can you'd

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<v Speaker 1>give me one out of the four that you picked out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? The lvps were especially hard this year, and I

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<v Speaker 2>could not settle on an American League Least Valuable Player.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I had a few that I did the

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<v Speaker 2>work on, including reaching out to executives on their team,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because so of course they all talk me

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<v Speaker 2>out of it. And then I made this incredible discovery

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<v Speaker 2>that the starting center fielder in the All Star Game

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<v Speaker 2>for the American League, jave Baiez, has been the worst

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<v Speaker 2>offensive player in the American League since that day. This

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<v Speaker 2>guy has walked one time since June twenty fourth guys,

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<v Speaker 2>one time. He's got a fifty to two to one

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<v Speaker 2>strikeout to walk ratio and a weighted runs created plus

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<v Speaker 2>since the break. Are you ready? Of thirty two thirty two,

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<v Speaker 2>the average player in his league is three times better

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<v Speaker 2>than he's been in the second half. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to pick on him, even though I've given him

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<v Speaker 2>this award before. But when his team is in the

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<v Speaker 2>midst of this epical collapse, picking Hobby Baiaz kind of

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<v Speaker 2>makes him the symbol of that collapse. Not to say

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<v Speaker 2>he's waiting for it, but that's how I got there.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of scenarios going on this weekend here, which

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<v Speaker 5>one you more intrigued on? I mean, you know the

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<v Speaker 5>Yankees and the Blue Jays. You know, whoever loses is

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<v Speaker 5>gonna find his way to be the top team in

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<v Speaker 5>the AL.

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<v Speaker 2>You got the Tigers, you got the Red Sox.

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<v Speaker 5>One of those teams could be essentially kicked to the

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<v Speaker 5>curb if they lose two out of three and Houston wins.

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<v Speaker 5>Talk to me about this weekend and what you think, man,

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<v Speaker 5>this is this is gonna be a fun, fun weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Se you guys root for chaos? I do, yeah, big time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have an article on the athletics site just

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<v Speaker 2>posted talking about the potential tiebreaker chaos, And so I

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<v Speaker 2>did this just because I was confused myself. So I

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<v Speaker 2>started writing down on every possible scenario, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>came to me we could have a four way tie.

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<v Speaker 2>There aren't four spots left, but the Guardians, the Tigers,

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Sox, and the Astros could all wind up

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<v Speaker 2>with the same record. And I thought I knew how

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<v Speaker 2>everything worked, but I wasn't a hundred percent sure at

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<v Speaker 2>a check with Major League Baseball on that. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, couldn't you see the Astros sweeping the

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<v Speaker 2>Angels in Anaheim? I could? Couldn't you see the Tigers

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<v Speaker 2>and Guardians both winning two or three this weekend, which

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<v Speaker 2>would mean the Red Sox would win one out of three.

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<v Speaker 2>If that happens, they all have the same record. So

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<v Speaker 2>you want to know how we'd sorted out. I figured

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<v Speaker 2>it out. First thing we do, we would break the

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<v Speaker 2>tie in the Al Central. The Guardians hold that tie

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<v Speaker 2>breaker won the season series from the Tigers. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we've got a three way tie with the Reds, Tigers,

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<v Speaker 2>and Astros, but only for two spots, the two and

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<v Speaker 2>three wild card spots. The Astros would go home. And

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's based on mutual head to head records

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<v Speaker 2>against each other. But I'm going to give you a

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<v Speaker 2>rule of thumb as we head into this weekend. This

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<v Speaker 2>is tiebreakers in fifteen seconds in the American League, the

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<v Speaker 2>Astros lose every possible tiebreaker in the National League, the

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<v Speaker 2>Reds win every possible tiebreaker. I have a much longer

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<v Speaker 2>article that explains every possibility here, but just keep that

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<v Speaker 2>in your head because that'll help you sort this out.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, quick answer from you on this one. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you regret writing the article part way through the year

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<v Speaker 3>about cal Raley and me being parallel players or has

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<v Speaker 3>it really come to fruition like you thought it was

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<v Speaker 3>going to.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I thought at the time it was almost

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<v Speaker 2>impossible to separate you guys. I'm thinking now he may

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<v Speaker 2>have done that about you. You still think you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are bonded.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're still together. I think we have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot in common. We both have big butts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Betted power threats.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a different award category Jason hasn't gotten yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe one day, Jason. This was awesome. Great to catch

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<v Speaker 1>up with you. Glad you got the article out for

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<v Speaker 1>the world to absorb and attack and do whatever they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy the final weekend. I am with you. My favorite

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<v Speaker 1>team in baseball is chaos, so this is perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>us this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love it, guys. Always fun to appear on

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<v Speaker 2>foul territory