WEBVTT - I Know This Much Is True (Part 3) 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:05.680 So we are deep in the middle of a story 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:09.200 about anger and sadness. But do not worry. We are 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:11.920 here for you. We're all in this together. Friends. I'm 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.040 Dana Schwartz. This is Popcorn Book Club from My Heart Radio, 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.160 and as always I am joined by Jennifer Wright, Crawmadan, 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:22.080 Qua Tiantran and Melissa Hunter. Today we're continuing on our 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.480 discussion of I Know This Much Is True by Wally Lamb, 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.080 now a series on HBO. This week we finally get 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:34.120 a peek into Domenico's memoirs and they are something Oh 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.159 my stupid wife who I love, Oh my god, my 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:42.040 soulmate never gave me any sons. So my line ends 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:47.000 with me and my stupid daughter, who is annoying and 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.320 is a burden upon me. This is part three of 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.960 our conversation, So if you haven't listened to parts one 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.560 and two yet, go ahead and start there. Don't worry. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.160 This episode will be waiting for you when you catch up. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:03.640 Trust me, we're not going anywhere. We've talked about. Thomas 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.080 sort of has that that origin of what dominic usus 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:11.440 is schizophrenia. The summer after freshman year, Thomas then drops 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.640 out of school is drafted, fails the psychiatric exam of 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.399 the draft. They go to McDonald and that's really where 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:23.000 Dominic I think, Let's allows himself to see for the 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:28.399 first time how um, how affected his brother has become 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.840 by his his mental disorder. And and they mentioned that 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.440 that's when when Thomas is committed for the first time. 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.520 But we sort of get a series of incidents. We 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:41.240 get I think he literally has a tinfoil on his 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:47.319 head watching TV. He's he's talking erratically, he dates um, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:53.800 Angie does his system. And there's a strange event where 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.320 where Angie I'm so sorry that I'm gonna say these words, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.680 where Angie talks about how she breaks up with him 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:05.960 because he's weird, because he comes while she reads the 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:13.119 stories of murdered saints, like the violent stories and murdered saints, uh, 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.440 which she just thinks, it's like, oh, that's so gross 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.400 and weird, but it's clearly a symptom, a sign of 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:24.840 his h descended to mental illness. I'm wondering if Angie 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:29.200 just didn't even have the language for how traumatic that was. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.480 So like gross and weird was the only thing that 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:38.000 she could use to describe how like disturbing and traumatic. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:45.560 That must have been to the experiencing that. Yeah, and 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.360 I think it's interesting that Angie says I just want 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:56.560 a normal boyfriend and then starts dating Leo. It's also 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:00.520 like if anyone has if you guys have sisters, um, 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.400 the idea that like, yeah, like I'm competitive with my sister, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.320 and like if you're competitive with your older sister, you're like, oh, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.160 she has a boyfriend, I'll get a boyfriend, I'll date. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:17.120 She didn't that, she didn't do it for tones, No, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.240 there was it was that. And she said when she 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.880 first met Dominic that he had a hot body or 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.880 something to that effect, like when they were having dinner 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:32.200 with their parents. Angie. I honestly think that it makes 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.400 sense that Angie together in a way because they are 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:40.200 both very chaotic, except she is a benign chaoic Eleo 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:47.560 is literally evil. Yeah. Yeah, she's chaotic neutral, Yeah, she 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.400 is chaotic neutral. And Um, so she says that Dominic 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.680 has a hot body and then dates his twin brother 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:02.560 yeah yeah, and then moves on to his Dominic's best friend, 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.920 Like she's just trying to get in with her sister, 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.760 like trying to find a way to like be in 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.000 competition with her is so interesting when you compare it 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.440 to the relationship between Dominic and Thomas as well, because 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:23.880 your competitiveness between Dominic and Thomas, it just Thomas can't 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:30.960 really function in the same way that and she can. Yea, yeah, yeah, 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.279 I will say that Angie definitely does know how to 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.960 lean in because she was like, I can't have Dominic, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.840 how can I get close? Yeah, she like dried one 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.279 bath that She's like, no, no, no, this this experiment failed. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.840 Let's redo the variables. And she's like, Leo, this is in. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.160 This is my way in. She saw him and you're 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:56.200 a good man Charlotte Brown and he played Snoopy. I 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:01.400 can we just say a side note? I love this comedic. Uh, 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.320 the story of that Leo is an actor, it's like 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.839 an aspiring actor. And how he's like when he visits 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:10.440 him in the hospitals, like, oh, yeah, your friend. He 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.480 said he's going to be in a movie this like 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.000 it's gonna it's gonna be my shot this time. I 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:20.480 just love It's the only comedy. Yeah, Like when he's 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.640 when he's talking to the insurance agent and he Leel's 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.120 like I was in New York recently. Like it's so 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.760 it's like so perfect. You know who that you. I 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.520 think it's because we're all, yeah, we're all sort of 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.880 in the industry, and you know exactly who Leo is 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.520 as an actor. It's that like douche bag of a 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.760 person who just wants to drop at any moment that 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.360 they've done an audition here, or have gone here, or 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.360 like was in a city here. It's so perfect. If 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.840 this were happening now, he would be the type of 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:56.000 actor who has his head shot as his Facebook profile picture. Yes, yes, yeah. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.240 He also feels like he would be like a hat 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:04.080 a necklace guy. Yes, I mean I just looked up 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.640 who wait, guys, who has not seen the show I have? 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.920 I haven't seen. I haven't gonna start watching. I guess 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.920 who Leo is played by. It's a tough one, but 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.520 just I want you guys to know. But that would 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:24.680 be great. Guest. How how old is he? Forties? And 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:30.400 he typically is known for more like comedy comedy. You know. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.680 I looked up the cast on IMDb, and for the 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.440 life of me, I cannot remember anyone except for Mark 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.919 Ruffalo and of course Juliette Lewis, who we talked in 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:43.559 the group chat who I'm afraid of running into because 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.280 waved her dog? Well, now I can only picture Matt Dylan, 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.720 who is sorry. It's it's Rob Hubill, which is such 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:58.760 a great. Yeah. I like Eilent casting. And I didn't know. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.920 You guys know who plays deatha Catherine. Yeah, of course 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:08.200 it's it's of course she's so good the Angel Yeah 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.040 she's Yeah, this is perfect. I was. I was waiting too, 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.840 because this is so twisty and turning. I just I 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.400 wanted to wait to finish the book before I started 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.440 the show because I didn't know exactly because it's like 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.240 going back and forth between like the sixties and the nineties, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.320 and oh, I just want to say time wise, I 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.600 went back to the beginning to check the date that 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.120 Thomas cuts his hand off, and it was October twelve. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:39.600 And the car accident, which we literally haven't talked about yet, 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.920 a car accident was on Halloween. So all of this 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.600 stuff that we're reading about, because it's also about him recollecting, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.640 like every time it goes back to the sixties or 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.960 the fifties, it's about his recollections and like him talking 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.360 it over in therapy and relating it to what's going 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.920 on now and stuff. So this is all like two 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:03.600 and a half weeks. Oh yeah, because she said it's 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:08.480 two weeks for his visitation. Yeah if Yeah, I was 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.560 thinking about it, I was like, this feels like it's 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.400 been a lifetime. This truly feels like this has taken 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.040 ninety years. So I don't even talked about the fact 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:26.320 that he like fell off a balcony. Three stories. Yeah, alright, 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.040 I'm gonna I'm gonna just whip us through the recap 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.240 of this situation and then we have to get to 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:37.880 the last chapter because that one. Yeah, alright. So Dominic 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:43.160 is prepping for While he's prepping for visitation to the 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.280 committee to get his brother out of hat, he's really stressed. 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.240 He's anxious. He goes home on Halloween. His girlfriend it 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.680 tells him that in the middle of the night, tells 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:59.760 him that she's pregnant. He is angry and homophobic and 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.760 reeks out, and a bunch of kids in the middle 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.839 of the night egg his car on Halloween because that's 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.360 what high schoolers do. Um. But for whatever reason, he 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.120 decides to take his anger out on a drive. He 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:16.120 goes out on a drive in the middle of the night, 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.839 crashes his car. Oh bad, and I'm going through this 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:25.800 so fast while he's high on pain medication. Um. He 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.360 has his dad pick him up from the dealership because 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.480 that's just where he had the people drop him off 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.439 because he doesn't have a car anymore. And he met 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.440 Leo there, his stepdad. Sorry, he'd be mad that I 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.400 called him. His dad, very stepdad. Ray picks him up 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.960 and it's like, we need to pick up your prescription 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.360 for more medication, and he's like, well, I need to 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.720 take these shutters off this goddamn house. They kept bugging 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.640 me about it and I and he's like timing into 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.439 the hour. He's like, okay, I could spend like forty 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.360 five minutes there and then I'll go home and shower 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.400 and then prep for this nap somehow a good man. 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.319 That's not good, but it's never gonna happen. But he's 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.520 at a certain point. He does the math and he's like, 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.160 this nap is not and he's like that's the one 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.400 relatable thing. I'm like, I've done that math before. Like, no, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.520 there's no room for a nap. And he's like, okay, 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.400 I just gotta make it to two hatch for my 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.719 brother's meeting, but first I got to take off these shutters. Well, 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.880 I'm high on pain medication from my car crash that night, 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:27.520 and my hand hand is actively bleeding from and also 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.199 the stitches are are splitting as he works. So while 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.960 Ray leaves and he leave drops him off at this house. 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.040 The wife is like, you need to go. My husband's 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.160 having a really tough time. And he's like, but you 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.720 let me voicemails, so I'm kind of do it. So, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.440 while his hand is actively bleeding and these stitches are splitting, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.840 he angrily starts ripping the shutters off his home, being like, 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.280 I don't even know how I'm going to get these 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:58.320 shutters back. My truck is broken. Um, he decides to 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.800 climb up to the third store someone else take it over. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.600 I don't want it. I read this right before I fell. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.960 I fell asleep and I was like, God, damn it, Wally. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.319 So he goes up to the third story starts taking 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.319 off the block the shutters. At first, a bat freaks 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:20.600 him out, and you're kind of like, who is he 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.240 going to fall? Because the bat, like, there's a bat there, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.000 and he's like trying to get rid of it and 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.360 wax at it. And then he looks into the attic 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.520 window and it's Henry Rude. The client of his stares 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.280 at him and puts a gun to his into his mouth, 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.880 pulls the trigger, and because of that, Dominic falls off 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.559 the roof. And the next thing we know is that 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:48.320 he is at the hospital and he missed obviously, and 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:53.360 he obviously missed Thomas. Thomas is hearing and several days 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:58.800 later for a hospital stay. Yeah, he comes to like 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:03.680 four days or something and that he has a FARTI roommate. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:12.600 That's so hilarious. Details, Okay, police, police, Mr Police. He's 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.320 one of the few good men, good guy book. He's 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.400 just like a sweet, gassy guy loves and he loves 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:24.959 lime dancing. That his girlfriend line dancer. His girlfriend, uh huh, yeah, 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:33.880 they got matching Western alf That's cute. That's cute. And surprise, surprise, 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:41.280 who is his girlfriend but our good friend. Even in 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.440 that moment, I had to laugh too, because I was like, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.320 this is just this is just too soap opera now, 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:51.720 like everything is coming to your ahead, Like the woman's 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.439 boyfriend is in the same hospital room as Dominic, Like, 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.839 come on, it is a small town. It's a small town, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.400 that's true. I kind of thought that Needro Frank had 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.480 just driven off, like into the sunset, though I thought 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.760 she might eat any different part of the country. By now, 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.440 she was always going to come back. She was. We 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.920 gave her too much real estate earlier. I didn't find 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.679 it too soap opery, only because I think when you 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.920 we're reading it, we forget that, like that happened a 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.719 long time ago, now, like when your mother died, so 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:29.600 it had. I mean, I don't know how many years 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.480 ago that. I think it was four. Okay, I think 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.560 he was where his mother died and he was forty. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:40.760 As this as the occurring, I buy a coincidental run 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:45.000 in at this point. You get one, Wally, you get one. 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.000 You get one drop off with the autobiography where he 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.000 has nowhere to go and has to stay in and 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:54.000 read it. The perfect the perfect Needra detail is she 0:13:54.160 --> 0:14:05.240 dropped the heavy manuscript I had shattered black. She's she's nice, funny, 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:15.160 she's great. I love her. You're listening to Popcorn book 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.400 Club for My Heart Radio, and we'll be back right 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:26.120 after the break. Okay, we're back with Popcorn book Club. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:33.000 Then we get the first taste of Dominico's autobiography that boys, 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:38.360 she was she was absolutely right. He's a terrible person 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:43.720 who thinks very highly of himself. I'm also glad that 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.000 the mom didn't read it, because all he says is 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:53.000 that she's a deformed like rabbit. I'm like a burden 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.440 and it would never give him to great children like 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:00.440 what he did. But well, I know, I think the 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:06.920 grandchildren was the issue because he was like or whatever, 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:11.200 what was his last name. No, it was Tempesta Tempesta, 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:16.520 which sounds like it might need to store angry. You're 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:21.720 very angry. Yep, exactly. So he was like, oh, my 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:25.200 stupid wife, who I love. Oh my god, my soulmate 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.720 never gave me any sons. So my line ends with 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:34.840 me and my stupid daughter, who is annoying and is 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:41.160 a burden upon me. He's always trying to keep me. Yeah, like, 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:45.040 my stupid daughter has made dinner for me again, I 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.600 gotta go. I love that he's throughout the chapter two 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.040 he's like, I'm the best man of the town and 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:55.440 I'm the smartest. They're lucky to have me. I'm the 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.080 man about town. I'm just like, you suck. So it's 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.680 actually made points, and he leaves his mother like to 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:08.440 be essentially a beggar on the street and then marries 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.800 as an enemy whatever. But it was just like, what 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:15.400 a terrible thing to she marries his uncle who's his enemy. 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.160 And I was like, Oh, this is big Hamlet energy, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.360 which is funny because Leo did not get cast as 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:30.280 Hamlet did. That's great. Yeah, another Shakespeare rest Shakespeare happening. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.560 And I also thought it was interesting there's the parallel 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:40.200 of um of Domenico the grandfather and Dominic both being 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:45.880 people who went into academic fields but then because of 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.080 family reasons, had to leave those academic fields and then 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:55.320 end up involved in manual labor of some sort. Oh yeah, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.960 because Domenico was going to be a priest. Because when 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.160 they first started saying that, I'm like, Okay, that clearly 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:05.359 doesn't pan out. So what happened? Uh? And it was 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:09.159 like I love, I like, Domenico is clearly a jackass, 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.719 but I think that he does have a very interesting story, 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:18.080 like from his his grandparents being like burned in a 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:22.919 volcano volcanic eruption and his mother burning her hand and 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.119 having this deformity because she tried to like cling to 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.360 childish things by trying to grab her dollies from the 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.239 hot lava, all the way to the fact that the 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.680 town was like, Wow, you're special because this virgin statue 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.480 cried in front of you. We will all pull our 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.240 money together to send you away to study so you 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:49.479 can become a priest. You are especialey Thomas has convinced 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.400 that he has also been touched by God and he's 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:56.880 so special God on earth. There are so many parallels 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:01.320 in the in this chapter to Thomas, the schizophrenia that 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.720 his mother, that the grandfather's mother clearly had, with the 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:11.680 moth speaking to her, and all the religious obviously qualities. Um. 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:15.760 One thing that I blag that I was like, oh, 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.040 this has to mean something, and then I realized that 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.360 it was written when written in the night right. Yeah. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:27.600 So they sailed on the morning of September eleven one, 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.520 and I was a hundred years before. Sometimes I was like, oh, no, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:39.560 the ship is but a prophet. Yeah. Um. I thought 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:46.000 the parallels were interesting with with the wife burning her hand, 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.479 the thing they reference it as like her twin, like 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.399 her her hand as her twin, like the scarred twin. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.879 And it was a lot of twin. Uh. That's so 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.560 interesting about about hands. I mean, that's the idea of 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.200 that hand is that they are mirror images of each other, 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.119 but they're not the same, They're not identical. They have 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.600 they have symmetry across the horizontal axis. I don't know 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.040 Matt for that. For the listeners, we are all holding 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:20.640 and I'm sure there's that weird trauma of the fact 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:26.200 that Dominic's first accident his truck accident. I means stitches 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.879 to his hand. I think damage to that and he 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.720 was always holding up his pristine hand is like I'm 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:36.159 different than my brother. I have both hands. Uh always. 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.760 I mean blessed Wally for really making it clear when 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.480 when that tension is ramping up between him coming home 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.680 finding out that Joy is pregnant and crashing his car 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.560 like that period until he falls off the roof, He's 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:01.000 like tension City. Yeah yeah. Earlier I could, like hear 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.920 the score of the HBO Committed series in my head, 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:12.639 I was like, oh man, this is not good at home. Okay, 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.680 where do we think it's gonna go next? Before we 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.320 wrap up, because I want to put in over that 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.120 for the worst possible outcome, which is um I think 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:24.000 he's going to end up with Jasa again. I really 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.800 hope yourselves. I'm just saying that's uh, it feels like 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.920 it is curving in that direction. He's single now, Dosa 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:34.960 is still a big part of his life. She's still 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:39.240 helping out Thomas. It is my worst I mean, the 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.959 worst version of that is if he showed up and 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:51.800 gave her this book read about my grandfather, and then 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.920 they get back together. Oh you mean okay, wait, Tan 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.240 you mean the book that Domenico wrote. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:06.680 I thought you met like, oh I wrote this is true. Okay, 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:10.679 maybe that's better. My my worst fear prediction is because 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:15.840 we got so much of text from Thomas talking about 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:22.080 paranoia but also being raped that I'm very scared that 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.960 some of the bad orderlies the one that like doctor 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.240 not Dr. Lisa Shepherd was like, oh, I don't like 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.920 that one. I feel like maybe Thomas is actually being 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:35.320 violated in terms of in terms of trauma BEINGO that's 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:39.600 what because they clocked that a few times. I wonder 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:43.399 if it ends with Thomas and Dominic living together, if 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:48.679 Thomas comes home, that's the ending, you know, I don't know. 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:53.399 It just feels like It's interesting to me with a 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.200 book like this, with with a character that has done 0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:01.560 such horrific things of like, what is redemption for a 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:06.919 man like this or what what is his destiny? What 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:09.840 is his fate based on all of these horrible things 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:15.120 he's done. But it feels like it feels like they're 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.400 like magnets, right, and they're gonna like come back together. 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:21.360 But I don't know. See, my thought is that maybe 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:26.640 Thomas doesn't end up with him because Dr Pateell keeps 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:31.480 saying things like this treatment can't like one brother's health 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.280 can't come at the expense of the other brothers. And 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:38.439 so for me, I was like, maybe his redemption is 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.840 finally realizing that he doesn't have to always take care 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:47.080 of Thomas. Maybe like that is a burden that he is, 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.919 like because he clearly is just trying to take on 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.960 way too much in this last like forty eight hours 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.879 of his life, that maybe the lesson is him just 0:22:55.960 --> 0:23:02.520 being like, you can't fix everything. Yeah, it feels interesting 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.959 because for Thomas, I hope that he does end up 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:09.440 in a you know, a good group home with UH 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:15.840 with some support. But it it does feel like you're right, Dominic, 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.520 he has has this murdyr complex, which is interesting because 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.440 murders are talked about so much in reference to Thomas 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:28.879 Dominic and but Dominic has behave excused his bad behavior 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:34.160 be through Thomas, like he is angry because of this 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.280 brother that he was given and he has to protect him. 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:41.040 Therefore he can act in a way that is um. 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.960 Should he constantly um? And I wonder if that really 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:47.840 You're right? It depends on what kind of ending Wally 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:52.160 wants to aid. I was checking to see how many 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:56.399 pages the book was and I accidentally read the last 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:59.159 line of the book. I will not tell you what 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:04.440 it is, but it did not give anything away. I'm curious. Oh, 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:09.520 it's I know as much as true. I was. Yeah, 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:13.240 that's I saw that. I was like, oh, stop looking. Um, 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.159 So I'm not going to say what I think is 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.160 going to happen. I'm going to put in a bid 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:20.080 for what I want to happen. This will come as 0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:23.240 a shock to you, but I want to know who 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:29.359 their father is. I think, yes, we should know that 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.800 this will here plot twisty, that like it's a soap operate, 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:35.680 that like, there's no way he's not going to give 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:42.920 us a surprise. Father reveal Melissa, Y, Yeah, I feel 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.639 like it's not good going to be a happy and 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.479 well okay, just there was a point at which I 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:51.800 was like, here are my options for who their dad is. 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.080 I'm very focused on finding out who their dad is. 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:58.440 Um I was like, what if it actually is Ray, 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:05.160 like really hates them in the way that a stepfather would. Well, 0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.400 there are some dads who hate their kids the way 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:12.320 stepfathers stepkids up in the fact that these aren't his children, 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:15.640 or maybe he hates them because, you know, because he 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:17.800 had and he felt obligated till they come back. Like 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:20.199 he got this woman pregnant that he didn't love, I 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:23.000 didn't care about, and he resents the babies for forcing 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:26.120 him to stay with this woman. Okay, so that's one option. 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.160 Then for a minute I was like, what if they 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:33.400 have the same father as Penny and Drinkwater and Ralph 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:36.000 Drinkwater because they're both twins. But then I did a 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.879 little bit of genetic research, by which I mean I 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:42.919 googled can twins come from dad's And the answer is only, 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:47.560 uh no. Basically no, there is a gene for fraternal twins, 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.919 but it is through the egg that it comes because 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:56.439 it's about releasing a lot of eggs as also, are right? 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.760 Are right? They aren't Ralph and Penny half black and 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.760 half Native American. Well. The thing about being mixed race, though, 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.240 is that not all kids come out looking the same. 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:08.639 And it made sense to me for their mother not 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.040 to say who the father was if he was a 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.679 person of color, and yeah, so I was like, that's 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.840 it and it still could be true, but the twin 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.800 gene thing doesn't make it likely, like because I was 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.280 wrong um. And then the other option, of course, was 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:30.520 there's the guy that does the transcriptions for um for Domenico, 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:36.920 the Italian man. Yeah, because he just disappeared. And then 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.000 it's like, well, my kids are Italian. That's all I needed. 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.320 That's how it felt like she was. And then here's 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:50.240 the sad option. What if it is Domenico and I 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:55.080 don't think it's I don't think it's Domenico because he 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:59.639 has said the implications about his daughter. I wonder that 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.600