1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and this is stuff you should 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: know the podcast. Don't get it confused? What is that? 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: What was that? That was my burgess? Meredith? Okay, thank you, 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Thanks. It's a good burgess, Meredith, Chuck, 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: you're in the mood for alien talk. Sure, this is 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: the second time we've done something like this almost a 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: year later. Yeah, right at it? We did? Uh how 12 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: UFOs work live in Austin? Yeah, last March? So yeah, 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: I guess once a year we do aliens aliens? Yeah? Um, 14 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: but hey, before we get started, may I take a second. Yeah. 15 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to say special high to my wife Umi, right, 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: who made me the happiest guy in February. Yeah, I 17 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: could just call her on February when we got married. Indeed, 18 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: are you just gonna no, that's all I was just 19 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: wanting every I wanted to share my happiness with everybody 20 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: out there. Thank you very much. So let's get back 21 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: to aliens. Okay, okay, So we are doing this in 22 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: honor of are We Alone? Month on Science Channel? Right, 23 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: So the month of March is are We Alone? Month? 24 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: And Science Channel every Tuesday, I believe at ten it's 25 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: having a premiere of um some new show that has 26 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: something to do with the search for extraterrestrial life. Yeah, 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be very cool. And I mean there's some 28 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: like all those are going to be awesome, but there's 29 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: some that are clearly going to be really awesome, like 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman. I mean that in 31 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: the context of an are We Alone Month, it's big news. Also, 32 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: um uh the Alien Encounters with Nick Sagan got to 33 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: be related to Carl Carl Pilkington. Yes uh. And then 34 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: if you're in the mood for a contest, what would 35 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: a month be without one? There is a steady live 36 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: contest where the prize is to go visit Sad no Way, 37 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: go to the California to the Institute. Yes, pretty sweet. Yes, 38 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: So this is all going on on Science Channel all 39 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: month long, and if you want more details, watch Science Channel. Pal. Yeah, 40 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: we're hit him up on Facebook. I bet they have 41 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: info there and in honor of this month is very 42 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: special month. We are doing how steady Works, which is 43 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: an acronym study if you don't know, for to search 44 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: for extraterrestrial intelligence. Yes, and a joke before we did this. 45 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: Are we Alone? Month will be followed by yes We're 46 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: Alone Day? Sort of a joke. But they haven't really 47 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: found a lot of stuff yet. Well, I don't know. 48 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: Let me let me give you an example of something. 49 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: Have you heard of the wild signal? Yeah, we talked 50 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: about this before we did WIN. I think it might 51 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: have been one of the webcasts. It definitely rang a 52 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: bell that had your stank on it. No, we talked 53 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: about them, you submity Sam signal. But I think we 54 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: talked about a couple of years ago. Okay, well, old webcast. 55 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Let me tell you again. Let me refresh your memory 56 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: because you clearly don't remember. August fifty seven, a guy 57 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: who's now known as Dr Jerry or Aman e h 58 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: m A N. I keep wanting to call him ermine 59 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: he uh. He was manning the Big Year Radio telescope 60 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: at Ohio State University UM and was analyzing some data 61 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: from it and so basically saw this is what it 62 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: looks like it's a it's a bunch of numbers and letters. 63 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: It looks like the matrix scroll very much so, yes, um. 64 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: But what that is is a burst of radio activity 65 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: transmitted on the one four, two oh point four or 66 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: five six mega hurts frequency for seventy two seconds W 67 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: A L N right right um. And it was basically 68 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: the closest thing we've ever gotten to hard evidence of 69 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: a radio transmission from an alien civilization. It meant like 70 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: all of the criteria that SETI follows, which will talk 71 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: about later um for um radio transmissions from intelligent life. 72 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: Right Um. The problem is is after searching for it 73 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: for like fifty times, specifically, it's never been found again. 74 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: And the reason it's called the wow Um transmission is 75 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: because Jerry aman Um circled it and wrote wow with 76 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: an exclamation one and that's that's why it's called that. 77 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: So although since that time, nothing else has come up 78 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: in that same area and we haven't had anything even 79 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: remotely close to it, set still continues, right yeah. And 80 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: SETI is both a a movement and a group of people. 81 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: It's an institute. Yeah. Well, there's the SETI Institute, and 82 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: there's just independent set operations. Yeah, I mean you can 83 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: use steady as a with it being down because it 84 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: is a search. Yeah, yeah, you're right, just a funky nown. 85 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: But let's talk about it, Chuck, Let's talk about Set, 86 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: the challenges that has. Well, first of all, if you've 87 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: seen the movie Contact I have, apparently it's not too inaccurate. 88 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: From the writer of this article who was Freud and Lake, 89 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: wasn't it, He said that that movie, if you want 90 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: to watch that one, is fairly accurate and on track. Well, 91 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: it was based on a book written by Carlson Slegan 92 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: and he definitely knew his stuff. He was like, the 93 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: Sagan Institute is one of the parts of Set Institute 94 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: very nice or the Second Research Center, I think. So 95 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: go ahead, and you're saying, oh, well, so let's talk 96 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: a little bit about the origin of it. Um. Set 97 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: came about in a time when there was a large 98 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: intellectual push towards searching for alien life. A lot of 99 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: very very smart people suddenly started postulating that there's probably 100 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: other people out there. There's gotta be two guys Um. 101 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: Philip Morrison and Giseppe Cony wrote I wrote wrote a 102 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: paper in Nature, and they basically said, look, if we look, 103 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: we may very well not find anything. But if we 104 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: don't look, we're definitely not going to find anything. And 105 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 1: that came at a time when a guy named Frank Drake, 106 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: an astrophysicist, UH, an astronomer, was um trying to start 107 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: his own search, and he eventually founded CET I think 108 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty founded the CET Institute or just set seat. 109 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: He well, he conducted the first set search. Yeah, Frank 110 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: Drake did, and it was based on something called the 111 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: Drake equation, which I find this utterly fascinating and refreshingly 112 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: understandable as far as like theoretical math equations go. Yeah, 113 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: and and is the number of civilizations in the Milky 114 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: Way whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable. So n equals are 115 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: times FP times in A, times f L times FI 116 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: times FC times L. And then there's the r is 117 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: the rate of formation of stars over the lifetime of 118 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: the galaxy, and that's anywhere from like ten to four 119 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: to a year. Yea stars suitable for development of intelligent life. 120 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: That narrows it down. Um, then there's the fraction of 121 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: those stars with planets that be Then there's the average 122 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: number of those planets that are Earth type, meaning suitable 123 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: for life as we understand it, that's about of the 124 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: fift of stars with planets, so we're starting to whittle 125 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: down pretty quickly. Um. And then there's the fraction of 126 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: those planets where life develops that's estimated at and as 127 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: much as a And then there's the fraction of life 128 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: that develops intelligence. So it's not just enough to be 129 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: in a me, but you have to be an amba 130 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: capable of creating a radio. UM. That's pretty low as well, 131 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: UM about ten percent UM. And then another ten percent 132 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: is the fraction of planets where intelligent life develops technologies 133 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: such as radio. Yeah, so you've got life and then 134 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: l intelligent life, and then technology, and then you have 135 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: the lifetime of that communicative civilization in years so boom, 136 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: multiply that on out. You got your Drake equation and 137 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: you have as little as one as much as billions, 138 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: well plus it's it's as little as one or billions 139 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: because it you know, those are it depends on what 140 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: value put in there, and everyone's gonna put in different values. 141 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: So the Drake equation is gonna have a wide swath. Yes, 142 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Um. So you've got this. This is 143 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: the framework different the Drake Equation created by Frank Drake 144 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: for the founder of CT. This is the framework that 145 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: CD conducts its research with. Like one of the things 146 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: they do is try to figure out exactly how many 147 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: stars out there have planets with that are suitable for life, um, 148 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: to really kind of plug in the best possible data 149 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: into the Drake equation and to help them figure out 150 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: where to look. Because there's three main challenges for CT 151 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: that they face just as a concept and an organization, 152 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: and they are, um, yeah, you have a really big 153 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,479 Speaker 1: sky out there, right, you have a lot of frequencies 154 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: that could that we have a lot of radio frequencies, 155 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: and um, you have a limited amount of telescopes, not 156 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: much equipment. No, because it's very expensive. And while CET 157 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: is funded to a large degree, it's not funded to 158 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: a large degree compared to like like when it was 159 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: part of NASA. I think it's only like one percent 160 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: of their budget. Even still that was like the most 161 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: money city has ever had. But they're they're pretty well funded, 162 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: the Seti Institute is so as far as private funding goes, 163 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: they're doing okay, yeah, I mean they're nonprofit obviously, so 164 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: they're not getting rich, you know what I mean. Now 165 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: they're they're kind of hurting right now. They all thought 166 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: they were doing all right. No, they they also receive 167 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: federal funds and that's all but dried up right now 168 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: because of the economic downturn. Yea, he slippers to go, 169 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: isn't it all right? So you propose the three problems. 170 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: UM here a couple of approaches. For the large sky 171 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: problem a lot of area out there, So they have 172 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: two approaches there. The wide field search basically casting a wide, 173 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: non specific net over uh you know, a low resolution 174 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: over a long period I'm sorry, short period of time 175 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: over a wide area could get you some nibbles if 176 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: you were fishing, let's say, but it's going to be 177 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: difficult to find out exactly like where this stuff is 178 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: coming from, right, Or a targeted search, which is what 179 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: my money would be on, which are limited to sunlike 180 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: stars like. They basically factor in more of Drake's equation 181 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: in this one. Say, let's look at places where we 182 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: might find uh, you know, target these things where we 183 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: might find E. T. S. UM. And they do both 184 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,359 Speaker 1: of those depending They have various projects going on ongoing 185 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: UM and some are targeted, some are wide field search. Um, 186 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: so they're kind of bring their bases as much as possible. Um. 187 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: The next challenge was you know what frequency to listen 188 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: for to listen to you know, like it's not a 189 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: radio no, but even with a radio, even with like 190 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: a walkie talkie, like if you've ever used one of those, 191 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: So if you're not on the right frequency, you are 192 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: going to miss everything that's being told to you. So 193 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: there's like you said, it's not a radio dial. It 194 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: doesn't go from like eight point five all the way 195 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: to one or seven point five. They're billions from alternative 196 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: to country exactly. Um, there are billions of radio frequencies 197 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: and they um, I mean, which one are you gonna 198 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: listen to? You? You can listen to them all, but 199 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: again you're cycling through them. Uh, you're not able to 200 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time as much like the same 201 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: dilemma with the sky you have with the radio frequencies. 202 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: Plus you're full of noise. Yep, that's another problem occurring 203 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: stuff right. Um. But there is a window in the 204 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: radio frequency. It's called the water hole, which is pretty cool. Um. 205 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: It's a natural place in the radio frequency spectrum UM. 206 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, radio is their light waves. It's 207 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: a type of of light wave UM, but they're very specific. 208 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: They exist on a specific frequency. But UM. In this 209 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: the spectrum, the band, there's this thing called the water 210 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: hole UM which goes from the one to tend giga 211 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: hurts range and it has very little UM natural background noise, 212 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: like very few things you know broadcast in this frequency. 213 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: And the reason being UM, they these frequencies are caused 214 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: by hydrogen atoms and hydroxyl ions, both of which are 215 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: constituents of water, which is why it's called the water hole. 216 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: And they suspect that for a couple of reasons, alien 217 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: civilizations would be aware of this. One that it's just 218 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: so profoundly unique in the radio spectrum that if you 219 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: had any kind of aware irness of the radio spectrum, 220 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: you would stumble upon this, and that you would intentionally 221 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: broadcast in a low noise frequency exactly because you want 222 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: to be heard. Yeah, I mean, anybody who broadcast on 223 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: the radio wants to be heard, right UM. And then 224 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: the other reason they think that alien civilizations would know 225 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: about it is because water with which it's associated UM 226 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: is considered a an essential to life and therefore universal 227 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: among intelligent life. It's not geocentric. The concept of water 228 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: is so aliens would be familiar with water and would 229 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: thus be familiar with the water hole in the frequency 230 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: spectrum as well, So that this is probably where they're 231 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: putting most of their research or their effort into this 232 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: waterhole band of frequencies. Yeah, I mean they search all over, 233 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: but pretty much all CET operations will search the water 234 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: hole as part of their problem, as part of their ops. 235 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: Then there's magical frequencies to like Basically, they're saying, like, 236 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: where on this band of billions of frequencies is there's 237 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: sort of universal pattern. And one of the things that 238 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: they figured out is prime numbers might be a good 239 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: place to look because prime numbers are part of math 240 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: and they're universal constant. So an advanced civilization might be 241 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: aware of prime numbers, and if they're trying to communicate 242 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: to another advanced civilization, they may be broadcasting on prime 243 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: number channels. That's a magical frequency. I wonder if they've 244 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: searched pie the Pie station. So so far we've got 245 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: to we've got two of the big problems tackled. Yes, generally, 246 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: the third one is the most down to earth problem. Yeah, no, 247 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: no equipment. Basically, these radio telescopes are expensive to build 248 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: and so there's not a whole lot of them. So 249 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: they said, you know, there's a few ways we can 250 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: handle this. We can UH conduct limited runs on ones 251 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: that are already out there, basically rent space from other dudes. UH. 252 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: We can conduct analysis of data are already acquired by 253 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: other dudes, so like, hey, you've been listening in on 254 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: all these frequencies, let us see your data and we'll 255 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: just work from that. Or we can build set dedicated 256 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: radio telescopes, which is clearly the least popular because it's 257 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: so expensive and it's the most popular but least feasible. Yeah, 258 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: and like the UM, like the projects that they have 259 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: ongoing for wide target search UM or wide field search 260 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: or targeted search. They have different projects dedicated different types 261 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: of radio use, like UM Project Phoenix. UH rents time at. 262 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: Some of the better radio telescopes around the world Australia 263 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: are Cebo YEA in Puerto Rico, U the one in 264 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: West Virginia. Green Bank, West Virginia has a huge radio 265 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: telescope and that's where the first city conference was held 266 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: at ten sixty I believe yeah. Um. And then there's 267 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: the serendip project, which piggybacks cracks me up for some reason. 268 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: Why erendipp I don't know, just because it's short for serendipity. 269 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: It sounds like your friend Adam that shortens everything, Like 270 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: he would say, yeah, we met up. It was a 271 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: bit of serendip he would say that, total serendipd um. Yeah. 272 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: So they piggyback by basically saying like hey, like you said, 273 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: let me see your dad. I once you're done with it, 274 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: we want to go over it too. Yeah, And like, 275 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: hey man, it's like the hippie rob version exact of 276 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: astronomy Boy. He had made an appearance in a while, 277 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: he just did. I didn't expect him to pop up 278 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: in steady if he didn't pop up in magic Mushrooms, 279 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: you know. Uh So Project serendip like you said, it 280 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: takes um takes advantage of a lot of telescope time, 281 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: but they don't have the control to say, hey, pointed 282 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: over there, so they have a lot of hours, but 283 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: they're just basically that's the wide search being cast. And 284 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: then you said, like the most desirable one was having 285 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: their own telescope well, yeah, that'd be great. Study figured 286 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: out something rather than making a huge you're paying for 287 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: a huge radio telescope. Um, they figured out that they 288 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: can take a bunch of backyard satellite dishes, which I'm 289 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: sure are really easy to come by these days. Um, 290 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: you know the kind like from the eighties. Put a 291 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: bunch of those together there, like eight ft wide. You 292 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: put a bunch of those together and connect their signals 293 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: using a process called interferometry. Nice, thank you, dud, well 294 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: done first try and uh, you can basically simulate a huge, 295 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: large telescope for a fraction of the cost. Yeah, it's 296 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: like linking a network of computers, which, um is actually 297 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: something also being done. We might as well get into 298 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: that the set at Symbol at Home project and uh, 299 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: that's actually the SETI Institute, isn't it. So they decided that, hey, 300 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: instead of building a couple of supercomputers to analyze this data, 301 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: because that's one of the big problems is there's so 302 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: much data. It's not like you can just plug it 303 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: into your laptop. But you can plug a tiny chunk 304 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: into a laptop and network a bunch of laptops together 305 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: to do the power of the supercomputers and that is 306 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: what they've done and you can participate. Yeah, it's pretty ingenious. UM. 307 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: And there's there's other things that I think Setting at 308 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: Home started it. And now there's things like folding at home, 309 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: which you simulate protein folding for cancer research, the same 310 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: thing UM. And I'm sure there's other ones that I 311 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to look, but SETI at home 312 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: started it. Where you it's a screen saver UM, but 313 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: it's also a program. And while it's running, it's it 314 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: downloads a chunk of UM data from the air CBO 315 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: radio telescope and that's like your little assignment and it's 316 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: like a hundred second chunk maybe something like that. It 317 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like much, but it takes like ten to 318 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: twenty hours for the normal UM computer to process it. 319 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: But like you said, if it's if you have thousands 320 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: of computers doing this, you have a thousand times the 321 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: processing power all of a sudden, for pretty cool. Uh. 322 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: And while your computers analyzing it, it's making notes of 323 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: all this stuff using statis algorithms, and then it uploads 324 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: the results to city and then downloads another chunk for analysis. 325 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: And that this is a very popular thing. To do 326 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: for star gazers, for stargazing nerds of the world. There 327 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: was a guy I remember who was in Arizona, I think, 328 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: and he uh was fired from his job as like 329 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: the I T head for the Department of Education in 330 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,959 Speaker 1: this one community. Um, because he he booted SETI at 331 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: home onto all the computers without asking. But I mean 332 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. It doesn't take that much 333 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: processing power and it just kind of runs in the background. Um. Well, 334 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: he was made a mockery of by the local news 335 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: like that. He was fired because of his search for aliens. Yeah, 336 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: it was pretty bad. But yeah, some poor guy got 337 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: fired for that. So the at home got him fired. 338 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: I bet he got a job with CT or something, 339 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: though I don't bet that, you don't think so they 340 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: said sorry, thanks anyway pretty much. Um well, you talked 341 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: about building your own and the alien telescope array, I'm sorry. 342 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: The Allen Telescope Array. Yeah, I kept taking it like 343 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: that until I found out it's named after Paul Allen, 344 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: the co founder of Microsoft, is it who donated all 345 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: of the money for it. Well that is still underway. 346 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: Um as far as its construction. I think they they 347 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: were down for a little while because of a lack 348 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: of funding, and it's a twenty six million dollar deal. 349 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: But I think as of h two thousand eleven they 350 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: were up and running again and part of it is 351 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: complete to the extent I think where they can use 352 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: it for for things, right, but they're still not finished 353 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: with them. No, they're not. They have enough money to 354 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: construct it, but they didn't have enough money to run it, 355 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: so they have like a skeleton crew on it right now. 356 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: But it is operational. I think it is. UM. They're 357 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: hoping that they're they're going to be able to fund 358 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: it by um releasing some time on it to the 359 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: Air Force who was interested in using it. They should 360 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: try a bake sale. I don't know, you know, you know, 361 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: it'll be a great day when schools have all the 362 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: funding they need and the Air Force has to hold 363 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: a bake sale to buy a stealth bomber. That'll be 364 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: the day. Somebody should put that on like a bumper 365 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: stick or something. That's we could shorten it, but yeah, agreed, Uh, 366 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: should we mention the Fermi paradox. Yeah, it's as good 367 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: a time as any. I mean. One of the things 368 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: that happens to set is that they're constantly pummeled by critics, 369 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of them cite the Fermi paradox too. Well, 370 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 1: here's what Seti Institute says, because I dug into their 371 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: f a Q a little bit on one of the 372 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: questions is why do we think that there might be 373 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: life out there? Quote and Setti said, you should keep 374 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: in mind that we are one planet around a very 375 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: ordinary star, and they're roughly four d billion other stars 376 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: and nearly one billion other galaxies, and they think it 377 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: would be extraordinary if we were the only thinking beings 378 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: in all these enormous realms. Fare Me Enrico fare Me 379 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: said that, uh, if it takes life billions of years 380 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: to develop intelligence and signal or travel to the stars, 381 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: and there are billions of the worlds in the universe, 382 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: and the universe is thirteen billion years old plus, then 383 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: why haven't we been visited yet? Yeah, when you look 384 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: at it like that, the odds are makes sense. They 385 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: just increase exponentially. It's kind of like a perverted version 386 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: of the Drake equation used to disprove the existence of life, 387 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: the anti Drake. Yeah, interesting, anti Drake. So what happens 388 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: if we get a signal. What happens if they're sitting 389 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: around one day and they hear phone home come over 390 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: the radio waves. Well, they have a a strict set 391 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: of protocols that start with, you know, the first person 392 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: who finds it to the um the you know who 393 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: gets told first, what what agencies learn of it? And um, 394 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. Apparently contact follows the course of it 395 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: pretty pretty um accurately. But so its signals detected. Right. 396 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: The first thing they do is they move the radio 397 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: telescope away from the signal, and then they move it back. 398 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: I bet that's nerve wracking. I'll bet too, because you 399 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,239 Speaker 1: probably just want to stay locked on it. You know, 400 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: right you're gonna lose your signal. But you can't do 401 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: that because you gotta prove that's genuinely coming from there, right. Um, 402 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: So if you move it and then move it back 403 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: and the signal wanes and then comes back, you know 404 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: that you have an extraterrestrial signal. That's a big one. 405 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: The next step then is to figure out whether you're 406 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: getting it from like a satellite or from elsewhere on Earth. 407 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: Right after that, you're starting to shake, Your palms are 408 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: sweaty um, and you start to allow extraterrestrial sources like pulsars, quasars, 409 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: other things that broadcast radio frequencies. By this time, you 410 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: may have tinkled a little bit in your pants. Um, 411 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: and you are on the phone with another radio telescope, 412 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: hopefully one on another continent, saying, hey, can you go 413 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: check these coordinates and see if you're getting this frequency? 414 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: Point your little machine that way. What do you see 415 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: are here? And if they come back and say yep, 416 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: you say, well, it's time to announce it to the world. 417 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: Now I gotta get out my book, the SETI Institute, 418 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: the Declaration of Principles concerning Activities following the Detection of 419 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: Extraterrestrial Intelligence, and SETI Institute says, no one's keeping anything 420 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: a secret. No, they wanted disseminated quickly and widely, but 421 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: they want you to follow the proper channels. First and all, 422 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: the astronomical community gets first DIBs on learning of it. 423 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: Then after that you go to the u N. Oh, yeah, 424 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: the u N a lot of other international bodies and 425 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: you say, hey, guys, we have confirmed extraterrestrial contact. And um, 426 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: they say awesome. And the astronomer goes along and says Okay, 427 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: we're moving on to the next people. Eventually you get 428 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: to the public and the person who discovered it um 429 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: is meant to have the honor of announcing it to 430 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: the world, according to the protocols. Jodie Foster uh and 431 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: CETI is on record, by the way, the SETI Institute 432 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: is saying that they don't think that there are aliens 433 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: that we've been hiding in Roswell, New Mexico. They said that, 434 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, the presence that would be like the biggest 435 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: discovery in the history of science and a you wouldn't 436 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: want to keep it a secret and be there would 437 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: be thousands and thousands of people working on it, and 438 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: they said it would just be impossible. So they're not, 439 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, they're not these crackpots that think, oh, we've 440 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: got aliens hidden away working on a farm in the 441 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: desert of New Mexico, harvesting on water farms, and that's 442 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: where we got our microwaves from, exactly. Uh and I 443 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: also looked at their f a Q under the are 444 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: we sending signals because I thought that was kind of 445 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: interesting because obviously close encounters. They sent messages out and 446 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: they said they are completely passive experiment. They're only looking, 447 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: they are not sending. However, we have been sending signals ah, 448 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: unintentionally for fifty years or more. Yes, since the thirties, 449 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: since we started broadcasting on the radio. Yeah, in television. Uh, 450 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: this is the early TV broadcast reached out about to 451 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: about one thousand nearby stars. And but they said, it's 452 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: very unlikely that any any alien civilization could have picked 453 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: up on that. But we are inadvertently broadcasting, probably in 454 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: the water hole too, I would think. And the other 455 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: reason we don't send out signals is because if the 456 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: nearest civilization they said, is a hundred light years away, 457 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: it would be two hundred years to get a reply, 458 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: and it's just not a very good way to spend 459 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: your time. Well. Plus also it's in the protocols that 460 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: UM we decide through like the u N and other 461 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: international bodies, whether or not to respond to a signal. 462 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: That's like one of the last steps. Well, they said 463 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: that we've sent UM symbolic messages before, like, hey, here's 464 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: what our solar system is like. Here the compounds important 465 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: for life. Here's the structure of our DNA in the 466 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: form of a human. They say, it's symbolic. But I 467 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: think they're like, oh, you never know, you know, so 468 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: they're liars. Then when they say they're passive, well they 469 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: are passive. They have done that in the past. They 470 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: said it was like the seventies. They're passive as far 471 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: as astronomy goes, active as far as lying on their 472 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: f a Q go. Now, I think it was Sniking 473 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: seventy four was the last time they sent out a message. 474 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: There was what the Viking or some I can't remember, 475 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: the spaceship we send into orbit or into outer space 476 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: that had like um gold records containing all sorts of 477 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: information like the world's great information and knowledge on them. 478 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: Do you remember that sort of Viking? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 479 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: I think it's probably get that wrong though. So what's 480 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,239 Speaker 1: in the future for CET right now? Uh, well, the 481 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: future with the programs like SETI at Home could get 482 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: more people active than that they're interested in their home 483 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: future could be good there. They said, they might be 484 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: UM sending or looking for light at some point because 485 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: it may not come via radio, it may come via light. 486 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: Uh you know, you never know. Yeah. Frank Drake is 487 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: all about that one. Now. He says that this is 488 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: like the hot new field for study is optical UM astronomy. Yeah, 489 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: and of course finishing up things like the Allen telescope 490 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: array is important. And then they're study at home. I mean, 491 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: if you want to go do that, it's pretty easy 492 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: to go download UM folding at home. I've never had 493 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: steady at home. You did folding? Uh huh cool? Uh? 494 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: And then my computer crash and I was just like, 495 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: maybe that crashed it. I don't know. Maybe I could 496 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: tell the difference when it was processing UM and that's steady. 497 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: So if this kind of piqued your interest, there's plenty 498 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: more information out there. UM. You can also check out 499 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: sets stuff on Science Channel. UM. During Are We Alone 500 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: Month in March, premiers come on I think Tuesdays at 501 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: ten starting March six, every Tuesday, like Moonlighting? Um? Was 502 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: it was that on Tuesday? I think? So I seem 503 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: to remember being drawn to the television on Tuesdays. I 504 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: think it was Moonlighting and eighteen nice? Where was it Moonlighting? 505 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: In love Boat? That was Loveboat Fantasy Island? Yeah? Yeah, 506 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: that's too definitely together, let's see recamping. What else is 507 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: at the begame? I'm married? Do you mean? And I 508 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: are married? Um? And I guess that's it. If you 509 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: want to read set, you can type that word into 510 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: the search bar. Howstuffwork dot com s E T I 511 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: and that will bring up this very nice article including 512 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: cool graphs and screenshots from CETI at home for some reason. Um, 513 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: and since I said search bar, I think I said 514 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: handy search bar. Even Um, it's time for listener mail. 515 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: Uh wait, chuck, before we do listener mail, let me 516 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: stop you. I know you're usually stopping me, but I 517 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: got the drop on you. You did. Let's announce some 518 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: very important things. V I T S as it were. 519 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: Yes are Austin, Texas south by Southwest Activities. We will 520 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: be live podcasting. This is for official badge holders. We 521 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: will be live podcasting uh Sunday, March e leventh, at 522 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 1: three thirty at the Driftll Hotel when our favorite places 523 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: in the Maximilian Room in the Drisco Hotel and the 524 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: Drisco Hotel. And that's did you have brunch there? Yeah? 525 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: I actually manage you mean I did before we live 526 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: podcasted last time. I just said it. I think I 527 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: had a bloody mary. I know you did. That's all 528 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: that all I did. You had a sweaty bloody Mary. 529 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: We were nervous. Yeah, but this is in the afternoon, 530 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: so it will be more acceptable to have You'll have 531 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: had five bloody Mary exactly. So that is a live podcast. 532 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: And then the following day, Monday, March twelve, from five 533 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: to nine fade Irish Pub on Fourth Street to fourteen 534 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: West Fourth in Austin, Texas. Uh. This is for the 535 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: public at large. Yeah, you don't need to be a 536 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: Badge holder. No, you don't need to be a south 537 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: By Southwest attendee. You can live in Austin, you can 538 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: live in Greater Austin, you can live in New Mexico 539 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: and just drive there and show up. Don't pay any cover, 540 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: you get in to the Stuff you Should Know variety show. 541 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: And in fact, if you're one of the first one 542 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: hundred people, we will even give you a drink ticket. Yeah, 543 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: at yourself a little drinking. That's a present from Uncle 544 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: Josh and Uncle Truck and Uncle Science Channel, uh and 545 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: Uncle House Stuff works. That's right. And the reason we 546 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: say Science Channel is because they have been kind enough 547 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: to give us a chance to do a TV pilot 548 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: for their network and they are super cool and awesome, 549 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: supportive creative people, and uh, we did that TV pilot 550 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: about a month ago or actually I don't know when 551 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: this comes out, but it was a month ago today, 552 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: Oh was it? Yeah? Well or close, and we are 553 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: putting that thing together in the edit room, and we 554 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: are going to be previewing uh clips from said show 555 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: like before anyone else gets to see this, saying literally 556 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: except for people at Science Channel, you can do so 557 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: if you come to put out the I don't know 558 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: if you really got that point across, Chuck. We made 559 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: a half hour TV pilot that's going to Aaron Science 560 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: Channel at some point correct in the spring. Yes, um, 561 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: and this is the public debut any even a second 562 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: of it. Everybody's seen it or just some sweaty weirdo 563 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: editors in a man cave that stinks to high heaven. 564 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: I can tell you this is it. This is it, 565 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: and that's not enough, although it should be. Special appearances 566 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: by Mr John Hodgman, comedy set by stand up extraordinary 567 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: Eugene Merman, music by Lucy Wayne White Roach who plays 568 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: Jerry in the pilot. Henry Clay. People are buddies for 569 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: a while now. They worked on the score, not worked 570 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: on the score. They did the score, they did the 571 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: theme song and local Austin ban crooks who are awesome, 572 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: and uh, we're kind enough to let everyone else use 573 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: your gear, which is a big deal. They will all 574 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: be rocking and rolling. That's about the squarest thing I've 575 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: ever said. And uh yeah, so that's it. Comedy hogg 576 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: Us TV show pilot and uh music X one, well done. 577 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: It's a big deal. It's a big two days March twelve, 578 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: five to nine bade Irish pub to fourteen fourth. And 579 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: if you're laying around in your hotel room not wearing 580 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: pants or a shirt and it's mark eleventh and it's 581 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: three o'clock, be like, I should probably get up and 582 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: get dressed and get down to the driscoll and watch 583 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: Uncle Josh and Uncle Chuck dose a my podcast. Agreed, 584 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: good night, back the listener, Man at long last Um, 585 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: all right on the listener mail, Yes, all right, Josh, 586 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this uh Luca libra slash American wrestling 587 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: from Zach uh Chuck. You suggested that wrestlers carry fake 588 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: blood packs. Not quite true, or at least usually not true. Instead, 589 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: most wrestlers carry a razor blade in order to blade 590 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: their foreheads. I've heard this. Actually, any of that, we'll cut, 591 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: make a little cut and bleed, uh, right around the 592 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: hairline after being hit in the head of a chair 593 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: or a cage or another hard weapon. You were also 594 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: talking about the big companies in America. The w w 595 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: E is the biggest right now, with ten as the 596 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: second biggest, and Ring of Honor is the third. W 597 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: w E and t n A are on big TV networks, 598 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: while the Ring of Honor is only on the air 599 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: in certain markets, and there are many many independent leagues, 600 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: including Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan's Resistance Pro. Did you know that? 601 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: I guess so, dude, he's got his own wrestling league. 602 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if he's still on the dope. I don't 603 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: think so. I saw him one day. He's really tall, 604 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: which surprised me for some reason. I think I noticed 605 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: that when the Cubs were in the World Series and 606 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: he's saying the uh, the national anthem. You know, he's 607 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: saying that taking out to the ball games stretch. Yeah, 608 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: all those guys, uh, so Zack says, when talking about 609 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: the rules, you're saying that weapons are not allowed. And 610 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: I think I might have said that it's different with 611 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: American wrestling, but not true. He said the chair was 612 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: just really popular in the late nineties because they book 613 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: matches specifically to be more violent, so they would knock 614 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: the ref down and people would use the chair when 615 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: the ref wasn't watching. But you would still get Q 616 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: if the ref was to see that. And he also 617 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: said Raymond would get day queened. Oh man, that'd be great. Uh. 618 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: And then he said ray Mysterio is out with injury, 619 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 1: but there's a good chance he we'll be back soon. 620 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: Did he's still kicking it. That was a heck of 621 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: a dispatch from the wrestling world. And dude, I redacted 622 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,959 Speaker 1: about half of it. Thanks Zack. That is Zack from 623 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't know where he's from. He's from Billy Corgan's basement. Well, wow, 624 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: if you have some supplementary information, not even necessarily correction. 625 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: I think Zach handled that very well. Sure. 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