Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of My Heart Radio Elizabeth Dotton.
Speaker 1: You know what's ridiculous? Oh yeah, totally. Um. Did you
Speaker 1: know that when you breathe a cow and a bison,
Speaker 1: it's called a beefalo. I'd heard that. I didn't think
Speaker 1: that that was true. Yeah, that's true. Beef laggers and
Speaker 1: tig ins and beefalo. Oh my, al right, well you
Speaker 1: know it's also ridiculous. What Oh yes, PCP is absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It is possibly the most ridiculous drug there is. But
Speaker 1: it has the best drug nickname ever angel dust. It
Speaker 1: means that not just the best drug ever, Like I
Speaker 1: want to do angel dust. When I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to do angel dusk. Mommy.
Speaker 1: It sounds like something that you'd sprinkle on a Hallmark
Speaker 1: Precious Moments figuring and it comes with angel dust with
Speaker 1: Angel Christmas display exactly, and then you just do a
Speaker 1: line of it, rail it up. Do you remember hearing
Speaker 1: about PCP when we were children. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: often mentioned drug. I mean, like nothing like it is now,
Speaker 1: like it actually was one of the top five drugs kids.
Speaker 1: Did totally remember the stories or anything like that. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are always stories about people having like superhuman strength,
Speaker 1: like running through brick walls or something, and like before crack,
Speaker 1: it was the drug of like the like urban superhero. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: my brother used to have this thing. Anytime he'd see
Speaker 1: a trampoline, he'd jump on it and like fall flat
Speaker 1: back and then pop back up. And he called himself
Speaker 1: PCP man. And but the thing is is what I
Speaker 1: found with DARE and all those sort of things. Um,
Speaker 1: some of the ways that they educated you made things
Speaker 1: sound kind of appealing. Oh yeah, it was terrible as
Speaker 1: a reverse advertising. I want to do that. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: so they would talk about PCP and like someone like me,
Speaker 1: uh would get terrified, Like if I did that, then
Speaker 1: I would I would think I could jump off a building,
Speaker 1: and but then other people would be like I could
Speaker 1: jump off a built, you know, like you see these
Speaker 1: it's very it's very alluring. Yeah, if I ever wanted
Speaker 1: to raise a car in the freeway traffic, I could
Speaker 1: do it on PCP. Totally. We had a we had
Speaker 1: a teacher like in fourth grade during DARE who every
Speaker 1: week would tell us about a different kind of drug
Speaker 1: and they were always just oh it's so bad. But
Speaker 1: then when we got to stimulants like cocaine that week
Speaker 1: with the handouts, he only told us the good things
Speaker 1: in his mind, like you can study for super long
Speaker 1: and it makes you feel just like up, and you
Speaker 1: can do all this stuff. You can get all this
Speaker 1: work done, and do you mention Freud is like really
Speaker 1: important to the advancement and we're just like this sounds
Speaker 1: this kind of sounds kind of good. And so I
Speaker 1: remember I went home and I was like, Mom, you know, like,
Speaker 1: do you do coke? She's just like wait, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: what and that she like rubs it and I'm just
Speaker 1: kidding um, And so I explained. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: apparently like you can like study for hours and get
Speaker 1: all this stuff done and she's like mmmm, well no,
Speaker 1: not really and she's trying to like gently explain to
Speaker 1: her whatever. I was eight year old nine year old daughter.
Speaker 1: And then the teacher we had a substitute after that
Speaker 1: for the rest of the school year. It was like
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year, apparently some other kids
Speaker 1: went home and rat it out the teacher and they
Speaker 1: got more than one call to the school. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: don't tell them that this is the best thing for
Speaker 1: overachiever kids before, after all, there was a cocaine from
Speaker 1: Dare exactly, or like when you're in Dare and they
Speaker 1: make you like, this is what it looks like. This
Speaker 1: is what marijuana looks like. There's always a kid in
Speaker 1: class who's like the clown who smells it and goes daddy.
Speaker 1: Remember the briefcase that put the clear I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not what that looks like. I'd like calculate late
Speaker 1: the street value if that suitcase I could, I could
Speaker 1: turn that around. This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about
Speaker 1: absurd and outrageous capers, heights and cons. It's always murder
Speaker 1: free and ridiculous. Al Right, we all know. Rick James
Speaker 1: famously said cocaine is a hell of a drug. Now,
Speaker 1: PCP is a way crazy or hell of a drug,
Speaker 1: especially you know, in the hands of somebody who doesn't
Speaker 1: know that they are going to be on PCP, Like
Speaker 1: if they're dusted, they got angel dusted. But did you
Speaker 1: ever learn anything about the science of it, like anything,
Speaker 1: Like did ever tell you like why PCP is what
Speaker 1: it is. It's one of the rare drugs that you
Speaker 1: don't really hear at least I didn't hear about this
Speaker 1: Like you hear about cocaine, know how it works. I
Speaker 1: hear about the amphetamines, how they work, how hot, how
Speaker 1: it works. I never heard about how PCP works. We
Speaker 1: were told that it comes from when two Hallmark Precious
Speaker 1: Moments figurines love each other so much, so much, and
Speaker 1: then what comes out is angels for all the children
Speaker 1: Catholic schools. So I've had to look it up, and
Speaker 1: PCP is derived from a compound called one fennel cyclohexel pypyridine.
Speaker 1: You say so, yes, one fennel cycle hexel pypyridine, and
Speaker 1: that compound is derived from eral cycle hexel amine. Pypyridine
Speaker 1: does sound like really good red hot chili Pepper's lyrics.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell a key is next time I get
Speaker 1: a card from him, I'll just hey, I got some
Speaker 1: lyrics for you, bro. So, ketamine is a real close
Speaker 1: cousin of PCP. It's our aural cyclohexel and me derivative
Speaker 1: just like PCP. Now, both drugs were originally used as
Speaker 1: large animal tranquilizers for horses, pigs, and elephants, which I
Speaker 1: didn't know. Now. This is also why the two drugs
Speaker 1: behave so similarly in humans, they basically produced the soleucinogenic
Speaker 1: you four quality at a certain amount. If you get
Speaker 1: above that, you get into an aesthetic amount, and then
Speaker 1: you can get into an aesthetic amount to actually removes
Speaker 1: consciousness all of these options right exactly. So what happens
Speaker 1: is that basically there's the that response, but then there's
Speaker 1: another response in the body that is entirely separate. That
Speaker 1: is basically where you get that superhero quality, and that's
Speaker 1: the analgesic, which means you can't feel pain. That also
Speaker 1: gives you this psychotic ideation. So you can't feel pain,
Speaker 1: and you're like, what if I can fly? Though? Exactly?
Speaker 1: What if I can chase this truck? So, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we have this moment, you know where PCP was really popular,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't think people understand like how popular.
Speaker 1: I mean, in nineteen seventy nine, quote, twelve point eight
Speaker 1: percent of twelfth graders had used PCP, whereas in only
Speaker 1: three point nine percent had used this same drug. Now
Speaker 1: that's yeah, dare worked Apparently Apparently now that same numbers
Speaker 1: lessen one percent. So it's very difficult to find people
Speaker 1: who are still doing PCP, and partially is because pot
Speaker 1: got so good, So people are like, I don't need
Speaker 1: the hallucinogenic effects of a street drug if I can
Speaker 1: get it from smoking pot. So it kind of I
Speaker 1: don't need to fight. I don't need to fight a
Speaker 1: freight train. I can just just mellow out. Also, there
Speaker 1: was the whole like you know, yeah, the psychotic ideation
Speaker 1: that was the real downside, whereas ketamine doesn't do that.
Speaker 1: You just fall into a k hole. So people have
Speaker 1: they spiral into themselves. They may have a bad trip,
Speaker 1: but they don't go out and try to like, you know,
Speaker 1: lift the house up and throw it at somebody. So
Speaker 1: the one last thing about PCP before we get into
Speaker 1: the story that I want you to understand is PCP
Speaker 1: once you ingest it, it acts really strangely in the
Speaker 1: body because it can last for seven hours or for
Speaker 1: seven days or seven years. You don't you don't know
Speaker 1: how long it's gonna last because it gets stored in
Speaker 1: the adipose tissue and like the fat of the body,
Speaker 1: it just sits in there and it gets released unevenly.
Speaker 1: So depending on your metabolic processes, you can suddenly have
Speaker 1: a burst of it and then maybe it's two days
Speaker 1: after you actually did it, and now instead of just
Speaker 1: having acid flashbacks, you're having a full on PCP psychotic episode,
Speaker 1: like just in the middle of your So, so your
Speaker 1: little tummy is a flavor saver. Now. The high of
Speaker 1: PCP is also kind of crazy because it affects a
Speaker 1: ton of aspects of the body all at once. So
Speaker 1: it affects the neo cortex, the hippocampus, the basil ganglia,
Speaker 1: and your Lympics system, which is in charge of like
Speaker 1: basically all your smooth muscle like you know, so breathing, digestion,
Speaker 1: like a bunch of things that are not voluntarily controlled
Speaker 1: involuntary muscle systems, right, So it means you can that's
Speaker 1: why people can like stop breathing. Uh and and basically
Speaker 1: from heroin is because it it is convinced the limbic
Speaker 1: system to stop breathing. So PCP does the opposite. It
Speaker 1: causes you to have tachocardia, which is a rapid heartbeat.
Speaker 1: It causes you to have violent behavior. It causes your
Speaker 1: eyes to circle or to go backwards and forwards or
Speaker 1: up and down. Yeah, like a literal like rhythmic pattern.
Speaker 1: So like you can either spiral or you can go
Speaker 1: a skipping like your like your eyes are skipping like
Speaker 1: a TV between stations in the eighties. Yeah, and there's
Speaker 1: also hypertension for a high blood pressure. You get like
Speaker 1: um the elf of the anal jess. You can't feel
Speaker 1: pain and China and your hearts just like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: from it now. At Also the other last thing about PCPs,
Speaker 1: it's one of the few drugs that will kill you.
Speaker 1: But it's not from the drug itself. It doesn't give
Speaker 1: you a heart attack. You don't overdose. You die from
Speaker 1: taking the drug and doing dumb stuff. It literally is
Speaker 1: the drug that causes you to die from, not an overdose.
Speaker 1: Can you overdose on pc You can, Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: definitely can use. People lose ansciousness whereas if they're going
Speaker 1: to die, what happens is because you kept consciousness. I see.
Speaker 1: So now they call it the emergence reaction. When the
Speaker 1: PCP comes back up days later, and this can happen
Speaker 1: is like sometimes weeks later. Right, So keep that in
Speaker 1: mind as we dip into the story of Walter Scott. Now,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen a drug trip go bad? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like how bad was it? We like people like all right,
Speaker 1: you're from Davis. I went to you C Davis. Yes,
Speaker 1: and there's an event every year called Picnic Day and
Speaker 1: one year it fell on April. Yes, I think I
Speaker 1: know that you're talking about. And it was a dumpster fire,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, there was there was a lot of
Speaker 1: ingestion of the marijuana products. And you wouldn't imagine that
Speaker 1: people would have bad I mean, like I've seen people
Speaker 1: lose it like on other things. But um, so one
Speaker 1: made a big batch of these brownies. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'll say at that time, I was like a total
Speaker 1: I was totally like straight edge. I didn't drink, I
Speaker 1: didn't do any drugs, and I also owned a really
Speaker 1: badass Ford Bronco and so I became the de facto
Speaker 1: designated driver for everyone when they get too messed up.
Speaker 1: So I get this call from my roommates and like
Speaker 1: you got to help us. And someone was like hiding
Speaker 1: in a bush and wouldn't come out, and someone else
Speaker 1: was like lost, and someone else was in a tree,
Speaker 1: and I just wound up driving all over Davis, like
Speaker 1: going to different locations and coaxing people out of areas casualties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then just like tending to everyone there at home,
Speaker 1: and it was you know, so I've seen that, but
Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose I've also seen like really terrifying ones.
Speaker 1: You know, people I've seen My friend Arthur did an
Speaker 1: acid trip and apparently got like a bubble of strychnine
Speaker 1: or whatever in his asset because he couldn't stop shaking.
Speaker 1: He was violently shaking and convulsive. It was so bad
Speaker 1: we had to call an ambulance. But we're all on acid,
Speaker 1: so we decide we're gonna come up with the plants
Speaker 1: so none of us can be connected to him. So
Speaker 1: we put him like in this one room downstairs in
Speaker 1: the dorms, and then we all act like we stumbled
Speaker 1: upon him. So walking in, hey man, are you okay,
Speaker 1: trying to act like we don't know this guy's a
Speaker 1: bunch of people and asked it doing it a little yes,
Speaker 1: And then I remember the ambulance pulls it up. They
Speaker 1: back up, they take Arthur out, and he's still like
Speaker 1: violently shaking and terrified. And then right when they got
Speaker 1: him on the gurney, right when they're wheeling him into
Speaker 1: the ambulance, the doors are still open to the ambulance.
Speaker 1: He pops up looks at us from the gurney. He
Speaker 1: goes yeah, and then falls back and the doors closed
Speaker 1: and he drives away. We're like, okay, Arthur, so that
Speaker 1: is nothing compared to what you're about to hear. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: the day is August one. That day may sound familiar.
Speaker 1: Do you know why that day sounds familiar? No, it's
Speaker 1: the day that MTV started broadcasting for the very first time,
Speaker 1: with the words ladies and gentlemen, rock and roll. MTV
Speaker 1: hit the air. Do you remember the first music video?
Speaker 1: Was the first music video video, Killed the Radio Star?
Speaker 1: All right, now, double down, double your jeopardy? Can you
Speaker 1: name the second music video? No? I would have never
Speaker 1: guessed the side to look it up. It was Pat
Speaker 1: benatars you Better Run. I don't even know what song
Speaker 1: that is. I don't either. I just keep like when
Speaker 1: he you Better Run? Wasn't that like a there's some
Speaker 1: metal song and then there's a there's a swinging utters
Speaker 1: punk song line of never mind. I'm thinking of a
Speaker 1: lot of different versions. Have You Better Run? Iron Maiden's
Speaker 1: Run for the Hills? Yeah, maybe that's what I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1: So they have the you Better Run. We'll just call
Speaker 1: that even though neither one of us know the song
Speaker 1: that's our theme song for today. Okay, stepped on and
Speaker 1: he's swinging other songs all day. Now, for this story
Speaker 1: of Walter Scott, I'm going to occasionally quote from the
Speaker 1: legal brief that analyzed the appeal case that resulted from
Speaker 1: the charges brought against Walter Scott, which you can find
Speaker 1: on law dot Justia dot com. I'll go over there
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, Now, to start off, quote, on the
Speaker 1: evening of August first, defendant Walter Scott, accompanied by his brother,
Speaker 1: Charles Scott, attended a family reunion type party. The brother
Speaker 1: noticed a large punch bowl filled with red punch and
Speaker 1: saw the punch bowlder filled several times during the course
Speaker 1: of the party. He also observed the defendant drinking some
Speaker 1: of the punch. At some point in the evening, the
Speaker 1: supply of ice ran low, and the brother volunteered to
Speaker 1: go to the store to get more. When he left,
Speaker 1: everyone including the defendant, appeared to be behaving normally. However,
Speaker 1: when he returned, the brother noticed that the behavior of
Speaker 1: the party guest had changed dramatically. Boom. So someone at
Speaker 1: this one family reunion backyard party, I thought it would
Speaker 1: be funny to spike the punch, Like what if I
Speaker 1: root my whole family? Like can you imagine being at
Speaker 1: a party and going PCP as the answer? Like I
Speaker 1: used to think about that when, um, we would have
Speaker 1: faculty meetings when I was an English instructor at a
Speaker 1: college and no, I mean, they don't have these big
Speaker 1: things of sweet tea, and I'd wonder, like, well, it's
Speaker 1: a huge vat of it. What if someone just put
Speaker 1: a tiny little drop of acid in there? What would happen?
Speaker 1: Yea with acid, you need not a ton, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean micro dosing an entire room of faculty. My
Speaker 1: friend wants to put magic mushrooms on my mushroom pizza.
Speaker 1: I was at his place. We're talking. He put I
Speaker 1: didn't know what he put like that tons I hate
Speaker 1: like two slices. Like forty five minutes later, I'm starting
Speaker 1: to get off and he's just starting to chuckle, and
Speaker 1: I put it together. I'm like you, muther, oh that
Speaker 1: I just screaming by myself in my friend's house. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I didn't. Mine was a thought exercise
Speaker 1: in boredom in a faculty meeting. I would never do that.
Speaker 1: I just it really is terrifying to me to be
Speaker 1: like given a substance without my knowledge. Were you scared
Speaker 1: when you don't get scared? Like, fear isn't really the
Speaker 1: thing for me unless it's like a snake. Can you
Speaker 1: show me a snake. You'll see all kinds of fear
Speaker 1: you've never seen any human. But other than that, you
Speaker 1: give me like jugs. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this will pass. You know, like it's not great.
Speaker 1: I'm not digging it, but this will pass. I knew
Speaker 1: like it would be fine. I've taken plenty of psychedelics.
Speaker 1: At that point, I was a little not pissed, but
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I'm gonna get you back. Oh
Speaker 1: I am so going to get you back. So I
Speaker 1: poured five gawns of white painting inside of his truck.
Speaker 1: Well I even Stevens, Yeah, right, So then he climbed
Speaker 1: up on a roof and through five gowns of paint
Speaker 1: on top of me. So we kept that guy. I
Speaker 1: feel like this is still going back and forth to
Speaker 1: this day. Yes, it kind of is. Anyway, getting back
Speaker 1: to our party with Walter Scott backyard family reunion right now,
Speaker 1: He's sitting there hanging out. The brother comes back to
Speaker 1: the party and he sees just chaos. Right. So, going
Speaker 1: from the legal documents quote, one man, pointing to the
Speaker 1: floor stated there was a dog in the room. He's
Speaker 1: not in the room, he's in the backyard. Several people
Speaker 1: holding glasses of punch to their hands were vomiting. Another
Speaker 1: party guest, Eleanor Michelle Sutton, testifies in Walter Scott's a
Speaker 1: Pellet Case, and she says, quote after she arrived, she
Speaker 1: did not notice anything unusual. She did notice a punch
Speaker 1: bowl on a table and observed a woman refilling the
Speaker 1: bowl with punch. Approximately fifteen or twenty minutes after the
Speaker 1: bull would refilled, Sutton observed that some of the people
Speaker 1: that were dancing were falling on the floor and if
Speaker 1: you were throwing up, you know, just you know the
Speaker 1: kind of She's like, I'm not going to have any
Speaker 1: of the drink, thank you. So Eleanor Sutton, she spots
Speaker 1: Walter Scott at this party, right, and she's like, what's
Speaker 1: up with him? Now? From the appellate case quote, she
Speaker 1: noticed defendant whom she had never met before, with a
Speaker 1: cup of punch in his hand, talking about the Bible
Speaker 1: and stating that the world was coming to an end.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a fun family time. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I think I've been to this party. So she's like,
Speaker 1: this is not the party I thought I was coming to.
Speaker 1: And she's like, when can I leave? Now? The brother
Speaker 1: has just arrived back and he's like taking in this
Speaker 1: same exact scene. So he's like, oh man, I gotta
Speaker 1: find my brother. This is not cool, right, So he's
Speaker 1: like looking around. He finds Walter Scott over there, you know,
Speaker 1: drinking punch, talking about how the world's gonna end in
Speaker 1: like have you read the Bible? And he's like, oh man.
Speaker 1: So he's like and he goes over to his brother
Speaker 1: and he's like stunned to see his brother's eyes are
Speaker 1: doing that swirly thing. And he's like, oh no. And
Speaker 1: but he's familiar with PCP, right, He's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: he'd taken actually a drug training class apparently, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't a year he did. He'd taken DARE. He was
Speaker 1: a DARE graduate. He dared to say. So Walter Scott
Speaker 1: is beginning to see what I can only describe as
Speaker 1: a personal nightmare. From his appellate case, we know that quote.
Speaker 1: At some point during the party, he began to see
Speaker 1: intense colors and heard helicopters and loud sirens. He stated
Speaker 1: that his body was clumsy and he was sweating, had
Speaker 1: difficulty talking, and felt as if his heart was beating rapidly.
Speaker 1: That's like me on an afternoon. It's like Tuesday, right,
Speaker 1: So you hear the Tacha CARDI, Yeah, you hear some
Speaker 1: of the effects. The eyes are spinning. You're starting to
Speaker 1: know because you know what the signs of PCP are. Now,
Speaker 1: this guy has definitely got a PCP intoxication event going on,
Speaker 1: and it's happening badly. So his brother knows, like you,
Speaker 1: this is not good. Something deeply wrong is occurring, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I need to get you out of here.
Speaker 1: Screw this backyard family reunion. We're going home. So he
Speaker 1: takes his brother, grabs him by the hand, and leads
Speaker 1: him to the car. So they flip his hair out
Speaker 1: of the way, so he puts on his glinked sunglasses.
Speaker 1: Come on, we're out of here, bro. So they go
Speaker 1: and they hit the car and that'sn't have been. Things
Speaker 1: start to really get sideways. So the more this is
Speaker 1: just the beginning. So, as we know from the appellate case. Quote,
Speaker 1: on the way home, defendant told his brother he could
Speaker 1: see a big fireball in the sky, and then he
Speaker 1: could see the brother and his in laws in the flames.
Speaker 1: He the defendant described it as hell, and he stated
Speaker 1: either that they were trying to pull him in there
Speaker 1: or he was he was trying to pull them out.
Speaker 1: So he's got like a whole like ontological theological hell
Speaker 1: fight going on with all of his family after lea
Speaker 1: this party. This is such a good insight into his psyche. Wait,
Speaker 1: just wait, this is just the beginning. So he at
Speaker 1: this point decides, well, you know what, maybe I should
Speaker 1: just fly home. So quote. He's like, no, I'm cool. No,
Speaker 1: you guys go, there's a fireball. You guys are trying
Speaker 1: to pull me into hell. I'm just gonna fly home
Speaker 1: like so quote. At some point during the ride home,
Speaker 1: defendant stuck his head out of the car window and
Speaker 1: stated that he felt good enough to fly home. He
Speaker 1: tries to crawl out of the window of the moving
Speaker 1: car and flap his happy ass home, right, so, but
Speaker 1: his brother knows what's up. He's like, man, this is
Speaker 1: angel dust. I know what's up. So he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: from the streets, guys, I'm from l A. He's been dusted.
Speaker 1: He's definitely been sideways dusted by the angels. Everybody get
Speaker 1: your figurines. So he tells his brother. He gets the
Speaker 1: home safely, doesn't jump out of the car, and he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just get you to bed, gets into bed. He
Speaker 1: wakes up the next morning, he feels better. Boom, you
Speaker 1: see nothing to be afraid of. This is what I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. But there was something to be afraid of.
Speaker 1: While he feels better, he calls his brother and he's like, yeah, man, uh,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm back to normal. Things should be cool.
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, it's just whatever happened the night before.
Speaker 1: So he goes. It's a Sunday morning. He goes to church.
Speaker 1: He goes with his family and he's thinking, everything's cool.
Speaker 1: I mean he's going to pray about what he's done.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's gonna get right with the Lord. You remember.
Speaker 1: He's like, look, almost got dragged into hell yesterday. I
Speaker 1: had to make it to church to get right. He's like, Jesus,
Speaker 1: we gotta talk. You need to have a real come
Speaker 1: to Jesus, come and stay. But so Monday rolls around.
Speaker 1: Now he's got to go to work, right, So when
Speaker 1: he wakes up, he's feeling a little queasy, little sick.
Speaker 1: He takes his kids to school and then he comes
Speaker 1: home and he's got to take his mother in law
Speaker 1: to go buy glass to replace for some broken glass
Speaker 1: at her house, right, because there's been a major PCP
Speaker 1: party exactly and all this glass was broken. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's not just him, they're the people visible dogs and screaming,
Speaker 1: trying to dance on the wall. So he goes with
Speaker 1: his mother in law. They pick up the glass panels
Speaker 1: and while he's there, the counter checker person their face
Speaker 1: starts morphing. He's like, oh, that's not right. So later
Speaker 1: on Walter Scott says it looked like he was from Mars.
Speaker 1: It freaks him out so much he runs out of
Speaker 1: the store. He can't handle it. He runs back into
Speaker 1: the parking lot and he's sitting there by his car.
Speaker 1: His mother in law that comes out, like, what's going
Speaker 1: on and everything? I can't go back in the Woolvesworth
Speaker 1: back you know what's coming in there. So while he's
Speaker 1: standing outside in the parking lot and his mother in
Speaker 1: law walks out to him. Meanwhile, he's watching what he
Speaker 1: believes is his own funeral procession go by. He's just like,
Speaker 1: to do O, my funeral looks nice. I wish there
Speaker 1: was more flowers. So, I mean, he's just sitting there
Speaker 1: watching car after car and he's convinced that he's dead
Speaker 1: right now. After he watches his own funeral, his mother
Speaker 1: in law comes out and joins him, and she's like,
Speaker 1: do you want to go home. He's like, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: go home. So they get in the car and he
Speaker 1: starts speeding. He starts. He gets on the freeway and
Speaker 1: he's gunning it right. She's like, is everything okay? And
Speaker 1: he's checking the skies like it's like, you know, Goodfellas. Right,
Speaker 1: He's convinced nothing is growing right for him. He gets
Speaker 1: to his mother in law's house and just drives right past.
Speaker 1: Is that room? She's like, that was my house. He's like,
Speaker 1: no, no no, I need to go to Bakersfield. That makes
Speaker 1: perfect sense because I don't take care of everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I need to go to Bakersfield. That's where
Speaker 1: things are made right. Everybody knows this in California. If
Speaker 1: you want to fix something, you need to go to Bakersfield.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, you know what, I need to go
Speaker 1: talk to my mom. And so he heads off to
Speaker 1: Bakersfield with his mother in law in the car to
Speaker 1: go find his mom. And this is like, you know,
Speaker 1: bad enough. But he's racing down the freeway and he
Speaker 1: goes through this weird personality change. So he starts talking
Speaker 1: to his mother in law, starts calling her baby. He's like, look, baby,
Speaker 1: we need to get to Bakersfield because I need to
Speaker 1: talk to my mom. And she's like, what are what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Why are you calling baby? Did
Speaker 1: he gently curress her face. We need to get on
Speaker 1: the run. Just suddenly turns smooth through. I'm going to
Speaker 1: romance this entire your family. Your next he tells her.
Speaker 1: He's like, look, baby, quote the CIA is after me.
Speaker 1: They're following me in an airplane. I'm a secret anny.
Speaker 1: Why is it so funny to call baby? So he's like,
Speaker 1: you have to picture this scene. He's in the car speeding,
Speaker 1: his eyes are wild, he's sweating profusely, and he's calling
Speaker 1: his mother in law baby while staring at the sky
Speaker 1: and going, we got to get to Bakersfield. This is
Speaker 1: a great story, baby, exactly. So as they're going along
Speaker 1: the they're weaving through traffic there. You know, he's changing lanes,
Speaker 1: he's running past people as fast as he can in
Speaker 1: the car. Eventually he's like just pushing it to the
Speaker 1: edge of the car. The car overheats, so he has
Speaker 1: to pull over and he's like, the completely red lines
Speaker 1: the car. The car overheat. He pulls over the side
Speaker 1: of the freeway and then what does he do. He
Speaker 1: jumps out a metaphor for him. He just starts running.
Speaker 1: He leaves his mother in law and they overheating car.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm out of here. I gotta go deal
Speaker 1: with the president. And he runs for off ramp for
Speaker 1: the freeway and right his mother and Mama loses the
Speaker 1: side of him and she's like, I hope he as
Speaker 1: a president. And at the top of his off ramp
Speaker 1: there's a Shell gas station. He's like, okay, that'll be
Speaker 1: my answer. There's cars in there. So he runs to
Speaker 1: the Shell gas station. He sees a thirteen year old
Speaker 1: boy and the little kid named Robert Briggs, a little
Speaker 1: Bobby Briggs sitting on his motorbike and just it's a Sunday,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go riding in Riverside County. Right well, just
Speaker 1: Scott runs up to him and goes, hey, I need
Speaker 1: your motorbike. Kid, and kids like, yo, man, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? This crazy hide sweaty wild old adult
Speaker 1: is yelling I need your motorbike. He's like, look, man,
Speaker 1: see I need your motorbike because I am a secret agent.
Speaker 1: I'm working for the CIA and I gotta get to
Speaker 1: the Washington to say the president. Kids like I'm over it,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, right he's like he's like demand again.
Speaker 1: So what does he do? He shoves a kid off
Speaker 1: the bike. It's like, I need the bike. Kid, you
Speaker 1: don't understand. So he requisitions the kid's vehicle, but he
Speaker 1: can't as he's trying to u get make his getaway.
Speaker 1: He can't because he doesn't know how the motorbike starts.
Speaker 1: So he picks the kid up. He's like, how do
Speaker 1: I start your bike? Kid? The kids like I ain't
Speaker 1: telling you, old man. So here there he is in
Speaker 1: a shell gas station in Riverside County and he's sitting
Speaker 1: there right near the Highway ninety one, and he needs
Speaker 1: this motorbike. Of course, other adults start coming over. No,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a little pause and I will be
Speaker 1: right back and I'll tell you how this story comes
Speaker 1: to even crazier Wilder. I need to process all of
Speaker 1: this alright. So we are at a Shell gas station
Speaker 1: with our PCPs Secret Superspy who's just shoved a thirteen
Speaker 1: year old boy off of his motorbike because he needs
Speaker 1: to get to Washington to save the president. So a
Speaker 1: bunch of adults are like, this is not cool, man,
Speaker 1: you can't be shoving thirteen year old kids around. This.
Speaker 1: One dude, Doug bush Lan, he's behind the wheel of
Speaker 1: his pickup truck and he's approaching the gas station. He
Speaker 1: sees Walter Scott shoved the kid off the motorbike and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, that ain't right. So he pulls in.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna, like, you know, teach that man
Speaker 1: what's what? And he gets out and Walter Scott sees
Speaker 1: him pulling to the gas station and runs at him.
Speaker 1: He's like, wait what, and so Walter s Got runs
Speaker 1: up and goes, hey, man, I'm from the FBI and
Speaker 1: the c i A I need your car. Both the
Speaker 1: SBI and the CIA from both he and he works
Speaker 1: domestically internationally. Whatever you need now, Bush, that seems like
Speaker 1: a little bit good guy. He allows Walter Scott to
Speaker 1: hop in the back of his truck in the bed.
Speaker 1: He's in the pickup bed and goes go. He's pounding
Speaker 1: on the car, like go, let's go. That's phenomenal. So
Speaker 1: they take off and bush them, you know, good guy.
Speaker 1: He drives off and he takes him to assume where
Speaker 1: he is going. He takes the Magnolia lumber yard. He's like,
Speaker 1: I gotta run a couple of areas. He's totally like
Speaker 1: driving the speed limit, using the signals. According to the
Speaker 1: Pellate case, Bush then quote Bush then testified the defendant
Speaker 1: seemed kind of crazy and if restless and hyperactive. He
Speaker 1: also appeared frightened and stated in a loud voice, the
Speaker 1: president of the United States and he had fallen out
Speaker 1: of an airplane. Oh wait, this is a new rink
Speaker 1: because he's now letting people know the fuller story. It's
Speaker 1: not that he has to say of the president. He
Speaker 1: was with the President. I tried to get a motorbike,
Speaker 1: don't know how to use one. I've been riding in
Speaker 1: the back of a pickup truck ps the President and
Speaker 1: I fell out of a plane together. Yes, exactly somewhere
Speaker 1: in this general area of Riverside game. So well, this
Speaker 1: is interesting. Now. At the same time, at Magnolia lumber Yard,
Speaker 1: there's a dude named Christopher Bell. He works there as
Speaker 1: a forklift operator. He sees Bushland's pickup truck pull into
Speaker 1: the yard with his wild eyed mass pounding on the
Speaker 1: top going go no need to go to pull in,
Speaker 1: and the guy's like, he says, he's yelling about how
Speaker 1: he fell out of an airplane. He's a member the
Speaker 1: CIA and the FBI, apparently, just like repeating himself, shouting
Speaker 1: until somebody will understands. From the appellate case quote, Bell
Speaker 1: observed defendant banging on the side of the truck stating
Speaker 1: that he was with the Secret Police and he wanted
Speaker 1: to get inside the truck. So then Walter Scott hops
Speaker 1: out of the back of the truck and runs over
Speaker 1: to Bell, and as he approaches, he points at the
Speaker 1: freeway and yells at the President is passing by. Bell
Speaker 1: shuts off the forklift, takes the keys and climbs down
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm out of here, man, I don't
Speaker 1: get paid enough for this, So Walter Scott then does
Speaker 1: what Walter Scott does. Quote defendant then jumped on top
Speaker 1: of the forklift and tried to start it, declaring that
Speaker 1: he needed the forklift for police business. Bell removed the
Speaker 1: keys from the ignition and told the defendant he could
Speaker 1: use the telephone inside and called the police. Walter's ky decrease.
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, I'm gonna come inside. I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: the police myself. Like, you're not forklift certified exactly. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need to see the certifications. Yeah, and so until
Speaker 1: I get that done, you're just gonna have to I'll
Speaker 1: let you use our telephone. You're just one walking ocean violation, sir.
Speaker 1: So then we go on. According to the appellate case, quote,
Speaker 1: once inside the building, defendant called information in an attempt
Speaker 1: to get in touch with Washington d C. Stating that
Speaker 1: he was quote John Shaft and that he was from
Speaker 1: the CIA. Yes, He's like, I'm John Shaft, come from
Speaker 1: the CIA. I'm a black man with an afro that
Speaker 1: is resplendent. I need the president. That's you know what?
Speaker 1: That is ridiculous? Right. So after that, when that doesn't
Speaker 1: work and information is like, um, sir, I can't do that. Quote.
Speaker 1: The defendant hung up and read out the operator. This
Speaker 1: time he asked for the police and stated that they
Speaker 1: were trying to kill the president. He stated either that
Speaker 1: he or the President had fallen out of an airplane.
Speaker 1: So apparently he's just telling everybody this at this point,
Speaker 1: Well it happened, yeah, exactly. So I'm guessing the operator
Speaker 1: didn't really take John Shaft too seriously. So quote defendant,
Speaker 1: and then hung up the phone, ran out of the building,
Speaker 1: jumped onto a nearby truck, and tried to start it.
Speaker 1: The truck's owners say soul ed Enteman followed close behind.
Speaker 1: Edeman Stepson was sitting in the passenger seat when the
Speaker 1: defendant jumped inside, closed the door and asked, how do
Speaker 1: you start this video? This guy doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: start any vehicle. He's just running around. How did this work?
Speaker 1: The defendant then announcing, allowed voice, I'm with the CIA.
Speaker 1: I need to use the car. So the kid and
Speaker 1: the steps On totally unimpressed. Like the thirteen year old
Speaker 1: Bobby Brakes, So many cool customers in Riverside County were
Speaker 1: just some guy losing it and whatever. Crazier yeah, go
Speaker 1: back to San Diego. So the boy's stepfather, owner of
Speaker 1: the truck, cecil in him and he comes fronts Walter
Speaker 1: Scott and get the hell out of my car, right.
Speaker 1: Walter Scott obliges, because you know, this is a good
Speaker 1: American citizen, this is the people he protects. So he
Speaker 1: runs back into the lumber yard. Quote. Defendant then telephoned
Speaker 1: his mother stating, I don't know where I'm at, but
Speaker 1: tell somebody to come get me. He then get I
Speaker 1: don't know where I am Every mother wants to hear,
Speaker 1: get right on it. So quote. He then asked the
Speaker 1: owner of the lumberyard to call the police. Defendant asked
Speaker 1: for everyone's names and addresses, indicating that he needed them
Speaker 1: for his final report. Very meticulous. At this point, pretty
Speaker 1: much everyone in the lumber yard knows that this dude
Speaker 1: is out of his bo so like, well, um, let's
Speaker 1: just let him go and do whatever he needs. Eventually,
Speaker 1: Officer Dennis Wenzel arrives on the scene at Magnolia lumber
Speaker 1: and it's not hard for him to find Walter Scott.
Speaker 1: He's the one running around with the crazy eyes, going
Speaker 1: I'm with the FBI. I'm like the CIA. How do
Speaker 1: I start this car? Do you have clothes? He did
Speaker 1: have clothes on, so quote Wensel handcuffs the defendant and
Speaker 1: places him in the squad car. While in the squad card,
Speaker 1: defendant screamed that he was innocent, that he was a
Speaker 1: CI agent and had credentials. At some point, defendant began
Speaker 1: thrusting his feet against the car door. Wentzel eventually placed
Speaker 1: additional restraints on him. Defend it repeatedly demanded that he
Speaker 1: be released immediately. He continued to scream for about forty
Speaker 1: five minutes. However, he later appeared quite calm at the
Speaker 1: booking interview. I like when people demand to be released immediately?
Speaker 1: Has that ever worked? Unhand me? No, let me out? Oh?
Speaker 1: Oh are bad? Oh? I'm sorry. We totally made a
Speaker 1: mistake there, bro, I'm so sorry we didn't recognize. Do
Speaker 1: you need help finding the president? You can get a
Speaker 1: plan that you won't fall out of. I just needed
Speaker 1: you just scream that about twelve thirteen times in my
Speaker 1: face before it really sunk in. I'm so sorry. So
Speaker 1: wal just got eventually gets charged for crimes. So what
Speaker 1: crimes do you think? He gets charged with? Resisting arrest?
Speaker 1: That's it? No attempted robbery, two counts of attempted unlawful
Speaker 1: driving or taking of a vehicle, an account of inability
Speaker 1: to start a vehicle completely. He reasons that he is,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously insane, So he says, look, look, I
Speaker 1: plead not guilty by reason of insanity to all the charges.
Speaker 1: He then decides to wave his right to a jury
Speaker 1: trial and to take a chance on a judge being
Speaker 1: able to understand. He has one stipulation. He has an
Speaker 1: agreement that that the issue of his guilty weighed against
Speaker 1: you know, the the eye witnessed testimony and everybody who
Speaker 1: saw him, because if you hear his story, it may
Speaker 1: sound like he was just stealing cars, but if you
Speaker 1: saw him, you could understand he was a terrified animal
Speaker 1: trying to survive, and he wants that to be made
Speaker 1: cleared for the judge. Fortunately, under California law, Walter Scott
Speaker 1: was found guilty and convicted on two counts of attempted
Speaker 1: on lawful driving or taking over vehicle. So then he
Speaker 1: takes his case to the Court of Appeals, which I've
Speaker 1: been reading from, and that was the fourth Appellate District,
Speaker 1: and on August three, in the case of the people
Speaker 1: versus Walter Stephen Scott gets relitigated, and the proceedings were
Speaker 1: quoted earlier. Now we do know that from Justia Law
Speaker 1: Justia dot com that quote the evid it established the
Speaker 1: defendant unknowingly and therefore involuntarily ingested some kind of hallucinogen
Speaker 1: which caused him to act in a bizarre in a
Speaker 1: rational manner, and that acting under the delusion that he
Speaker 1: was a secret agent and that he was acting to
Speaker 1: save his own life or possibly that of the president,
Speaker 1: defendant attempted to quote take vehicles belonging to others without
Speaker 1: their consent. The only question is whether or not a
Speaker 1: crime has been committed. So what's your call? Crime or
Speaker 1: no crime? I think you know he was the victim
Speaker 1: of basically like wouldn't you say, like an assault right
Speaker 1: where he's chemical. Yeah, and so this is just I
Speaker 1: just keep thinking how terrifying this must have been for him,
Speaker 1: Not just his own funeral, Yeah, not just like the
Speaker 1: people whose vehicles he tried to commentary that was terrifying.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he sees his own funeral. He's going again, Like,
Speaker 1: I think it's such an interesting insight into his psyche
Speaker 1: that he doesn't go out and have delusions in which
Speaker 1: he's hurting people. He's trying to save all these people,
Speaker 1: and he sees himself as this like agent of good.
Speaker 1: And also I get the feeling he watches a lot
Speaker 1: of like really crazy action films because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like that's what's at the forefront of his mind.
Speaker 1: It's this adventure things of like running on freeways and
Speaker 1: commandeering vehicles and you know, jumping out of a plane
Speaker 1: with the president. I love it. Personally, I'm I'm almost
Speaker 1: kind of envious, like I would love to have the
Speaker 1: excuse to do How could you find out guilty because
Speaker 1: it's you know, I think he was he was the
Speaker 1: one who really suffered. Who who was it who dosed everybody?
Speaker 1: They don't know that that's not made evident in the
Speaker 1: appellate case or any of the stuff that I read.
Speaker 1: Mother in law, so some family member apparently the woman
Speaker 1: who was refilling Maybe I don't mother in law. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the court decides, quote, under the circumstances we believe not,
Speaker 1: we believe not meaning not committed a crime. So the
Speaker 1: court sites Subdivision three of the Punal Code, Section six.
Speaker 1: They determined which persons are capable or incapable of committing
Speaker 1: a crime under the law, and I didn't know some
Speaker 1: people are considered incapable of committing a crime. I am,
Speaker 1: I have that waiver. They issued a doc and it's
Speaker 1: just a blanket thing. I carry it with me. They're like,
Speaker 1: she can't commit a crime. I'm like, see, give me
Speaker 1: the car that. I'm pretty sure that was the thing
Speaker 1: you wrote in crayon saying diplomatic community everywhere you've seen it. Yea,
Speaker 1: that doesn't count. I meant to tell you that I
Speaker 1: talked to a lawyer. Yeah, okay, bad news, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll make up a martial one a permanent marker,
Speaker 1: got it done. For instance. An example of somebody who
Speaker 1: cannot be held liable for a crime is quote persons
Speaker 1: who committed the act or made the omission charged under
Speaker 1: an ignorance or mistake of fact, which disproves any criminal intent.
Speaker 1: That certainly applies to Walter Scott. Quote. It is clear that,
Speaker 1: in attempting to commandeer the vehicle's defendant acted under a
Speaker 1: mistake of fact. He thought he was a secret government
Speaker 1: agent acting to protect his own life or possibly that
Speaker 1: of the president. Now there is another instance where a
Speaker 1: person is deemed incapable of committing a crime. Quote. When
Speaker 1: a person commits an act based on a mistake to fact,
Speaker 1: his guilt or in a sence is determined as if
Speaker 1: the facts were as he perceived them. So your reality
Speaker 1: can be somewhat part of the reasonable nature of the law.
Speaker 1: That sounds a little loose, though I can feel right.
Speaker 1: So what this means is it it was reasonable for
Speaker 1: him to steal cars to save the president. The court
Speaker 1: determined it was Quote if and in fact, defended were
Speaker 1: a government agent, and either his life or the life
Speaker 1: of the president were in danger, and defendant attempted to
Speaker 1: command here the vehicles for the purpose of saving his
Speaker 1: own life or that of the President, his actions would
Speaker 1: have been legally justified under the doctrine of necessity. Also,
Speaker 1: the court added that quote, although defendant's mistake effect was
Speaker 1: undoubtedly irrational, was also undoubtedly reasonable under the circumstances, because
Speaker 1: the circumstances included that the mistake emanated from a delusion
Speaker 1: caused by defendants involuntary intoxication resulting from unknowingly ingesting some
Speaker 1: unspecified hallucinogenic substance. Because he got dusted and ain't his fault.
Speaker 1: So like, basically, it's like, if you get temporarily brainwashed,
Speaker 1: you're not criminally liable because it wasn't you acting. This
Speaker 1: has also been kind of tested in some sleepwalker cases. Now,
Speaker 1: the summary for the court is, quote, we conclude that, therefore,
Speaker 1: even if the evidence is sufficient to support the trial
Speaker 1: Court's findings that defended and tended to temporarily deprive the
Speaker 1: owners of the possession of their vehicles, defendant's actions clearly
Speaker 1: fall within the purview of Penal Code Section twenty six,
Speaker 1: Subdivision three, and we're therefore not criminal Boom Walter Scott innocent,
Speaker 1: as Kanye would say. So, what's our ridiculous takeaway here? Well, Uh,
Speaker 1: PCP is a hell of a drug. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just thinking that the people at the
Speaker 1: lumber Yard to this day tell amazing stories. They still
Speaker 1: get free drinks off that story completely, and I think
Speaker 1: it's probably evolved over time. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I just keep focusing on how scary
Speaker 1: this must have been. I'm really glad that James Blonde
Speaker 1: was able to survive. James Bawn. I just it's before
Speaker 1: point break. But I just keep imagining like swazy and
Speaker 1: Reagan mask and skydiving. Yeah, that's kind of what's so
Speaker 1: lot of that energy. But for me, it's the fact
Speaker 1: that according to California law, you can go on a
Speaker 1: mad crime spree and steel cars, car jacko forklifts, shove
Speaker 1: children around, you can command or whatever vehicles you want
Speaker 1: or common deer as long as you're on PCP. Like
Speaker 1: that way, you know, you're if you're convinced you need
Speaker 1: to save the president, you're free because he was. You're
Speaker 1: on PCP. So I'm gonna go get some PCP. I
Speaker 1: have a great weekend. No, but for you, do you
Speaker 1: remember Diane Finstein. She was involved in a very famous
Speaker 1: legal defense when Dan killed George Musconey and Harvey Milk,
Speaker 1: supervisor Milk he claimed that the Twinkie defense. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: said that basically he changed his diet and that the
Speaker 1: high fat, high sugar diet he was eating made him
Speaker 1: murderously depressed. Now, his legal strategy failed. He was convicted,
Speaker 1: but unlike the Twinkie defense, the PCP super spy defense
Speaker 1: it worked. So you know, just pick your poison. So
Speaker 1: if this all happened to me, what I think we'd
Speaker 1: probably call this the Fast and Furious defense that you
Speaker 1: are under the influence of watching all fast and furious movies. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll just keep that in our pocket for when everything
Speaker 1: comes down, lawyer, and then I'll write up a document
Speaker 1: for you with the thank you. We'll get the permanent pen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get the permanent panel, get your waiver. Oh you know
Speaker 1: what that means. What does that mean, Elizabeth? It means
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