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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of My Heart Radio Elizabeth Dotton.

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Speaker 1: You know what's ridiculous? Oh yeah, totally. Um. Did you

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Speaker 1: know that when you breathe a cow and a bison,

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Speaker 1: that that was true. Yeah, that's true. Beef laggers and

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Speaker 1: tig ins and beefalo. Oh my, al right, well you

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Speaker 1: know it's also ridiculous. What Oh yes, PCP is absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: It is possibly the most ridiculous drug there is. But

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Speaker 1: it has the best drug nickname ever angel dust. It

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Speaker 1: means that not just the best drug ever, Like I

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Speaker 1: want to do angel dust. When I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I want to do angel dusk. Mommy.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like something that you'd sprinkle on a Hallmark

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Speaker 1: Precious Moments figuring and it comes with angel dust with

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Speaker 1: Angel Christmas display exactly, and then you just do a

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Speaker 1: line of it, rail it up. Do you remember hearing

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Speaker 1: about PCP when we were children. Yeah, it was like

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Speaker 1: often mentioned drug. I mean, like nothing like it is now,

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Speaker 1: like it actually was one of the top five drugs kids.

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Speaker 1: Did totally remember the stories or anything like that. Oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are always stories about people having like superhuman strength,

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Speaker 1: like running through brick walls or something, and like before crack,

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Speaker 1: it was the drug of like the like urban superhero. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: my brother used to have this thing. Anytime he'd see

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Speaker 1: PCP man. And but the thing is is what I

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Speaker 1: sound kind of appealing. Oh yeah, it was terrible as

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Speaker 1: a reverse advertising. I want to do that. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: so they would talk about PCP and like someone like me,

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Speaker 1: uh would get terrified, Like if I did that, then

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Speaker 1: and but then other people would be like I could

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Speaker 1: it's very it's very alluring. Yeah, if I ever wanted

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Speaker 1: and it makes you feel just like up, and you

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Speaker 1: can do all this stuff. You can get all this

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Speaker 1: work done, and do you mention Freud is like really

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Speaker 1: important to the advancement and we're just like this sounds

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Speaker 1: remember I went home and I was like, Mom, you know, like,

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Speaker 1: apparently like you can like study for hours and get

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Speaker 1: And then the teacher we had a substitute after that

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Speaker 1: overachiever kids before, after all, there was a cocaine from

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Speaker 1: Dare exactly, or like when you're in Dare and they

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Speaker 1: turn that around. This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about

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Speaker 1: absurd and outrageous capers, heights and cons. It's always murder

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Speaker 1: free and ridiculous. Al Right, we all know. Rick James

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Speaker 1: PCP is a way crazy or hell of a drug,

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Speaker 1: PCP is derived from a compound called one fennel cyclohexel pypyridine.

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Speaker 1: You say so, yes, one fennel cycle hexel pypyridine, and

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Speaker 1: that compound is derived from eral cycle hexel amine. Pypyridine

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Speaker 1: does sound like really good red hot chili Pepper's lyrics.

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Speaker 1: lyrics for you, bro. So, ketamine is a real close

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Speaker 1: just like PCP. Now, both drugs were originally used as

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Speaker 1: didn't know. Now. This is also why the two drugs

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Speaker 1: behave so similarly in humans, they basically produced the soleucinogenic

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Speaker 1: consciousness all of these options right exactly. So what happens

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Speaker 1: we have this moment, you know where PCP was really popular,

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Speaker 1: back you know what's coming in there. So while he's

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Speaker 1: standing outside in the parking lot and his mother in

424
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: law walks out to him. Meanwhile, he's watching what he

425
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: believes is his own funeral procession go by. He's just like,

426
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: to do O, my funeral looks nice. I wish there

427
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,239
Speaker 1: was more flowers. So, I mean, he's just sitting there

428
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: watching car after car and he's convinced that he's dead

429
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: right now. After he watches his own funeral, his mother

430
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: in law comes out and joins him, and she's like,

431
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: do you want to go home. He's like, yeah, let's

432
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: go home. So they get in the car and he

433
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: starts speeding. He starts. He gets on the freeway and

434
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: he's gunning it right. She's like, is everything okay? And

435
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: he's checking the skies like it's like, you know, Goodfellas. Right,

436
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: He's convinced nothing is growing right for him. He gets

437
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: to his mother in law's house and just drives right past.

438
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: Is that room? She's like, that was my house. He's like,

439
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: no, no no, I need to go to Bakersfield. That makes

440
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: perfect sense because I don't take care of everything. Yeah,

441
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: it's like I need to go to Bakersfield. That's where

442
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: things are made right. Everybody knows this in California. If

443
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: you want to fix something, you need to go to Bakersfield.

444
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: She's like, well, you know what, I need to go

445
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: talk to my mom. And so he heads off to

446
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: Bakersfield with his mother in law in the car to

447
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: go find his mom. And this is like, you know,

448
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: bad enough. But he's racing down the freeway and he

449
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: goes through this weird personality change. So he starts talking

450
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Speaker 1: to his mother in law, starts calling her baby. He's like, look, baby,

451
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: we need to get to Bakersfield because I need to

452
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Speaker 1: talk to my mom. And she's like, what are what

453
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Why are you calling baby? Did

454
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: he gently curress her face. We need to get on

455
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: the run. Just suddenly turns smooth through. I'm going to

456
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: romance this entire your family. Your next he tells her.

457
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: He's like, look, baby, quote the CIA is after me.

458
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: They're following me in an airplane. I'm a secret anny.

459
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: Why is it so funny to call baby? So he's like,

460
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: you have to picture this scene. He's in the car speeding,

461
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: his eyes are wild, he's sweating profusely, and he's calling

462
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: his mother in law baby while staring at the sky

463
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: and going, we got to get to Bakersfield. This is

464
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: a great story, baby, exactly. So as they're going along

465
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: the they're weaving through traffic there. You know, he's changing lanes,

466
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Speaker 1: he's running past people as fast as he can in

467
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: the car. Eventually he's like just pushing it to the

468
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: edge of the car. The car overheats, so he has

469
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: to pull over and he's like, the completely red lines

470
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Speaker 1: the car. The car overheat. He pulls over the side

471
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: of the freeway and then what does he do. He

472
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: jumps out a metaphor for him. He just starts running.

473
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: He leaves his mother in law and they overheating car.

474
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm out of here. I gotta go deal

475
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: with the president. And he runs for off ramp for

476
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: the freeway and right his mother and Mama loses the

477
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Speaker 1: side of him and she's like, I hope he as

478
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: a president. And at the top of his off ramp

479
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: there's a Shell gas station. He's like, okay, that'll be

480
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: my answer. There's cars in there. So he runs to

481
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Speaker 1: the Shell gas station. He sees a thirteen year old

482
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Speaker 1: boy and the little kid named Robert Briggs, a little

483
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: Bobby Briggs sitting on his motorbike and just it's a Sunday,

484
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna go riding in Riverside County. Right well, just

485
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: Scott runs up to him and goes, hey, I need

486
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: your motorbike. Kid, and kids like, yo, man, what are

487
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: you talking about? This crazy hide sweaty wild old adult

488
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: is yelling I need your motorbike. He's like, look, man,

489
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: see I need your motorbike because I am a secret agent.

490
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm working for the CIA and I gotta get to

491
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: the Washington to say the president. Kids like I'm over it,

492
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: and so yeah, right he's like he's like demand again.

493
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: So what does he do? He shoves a kid off

494
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Speaker 1: the bike. It's like, I need the bike. Kid, you

495
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: don't understand. So he requisitions the kid's vehicle, but he

496
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: can't as he's trying to u get make his getaway.

497
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: He can't because he doesn't know how the motorbike starts.

498
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: So he picks the kid up. He's like, how do

499
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: I start your bike? Kid? The kids like I ain't

500
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: telling you, old man. So here there he is in

501
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Speaker 1: a shell gas station in Riverside County and he's sitting

502
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: there right near the Highway ninety one, and he needs

503
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Speaker 1: this motorbike. Of course, other adults start coming over. No,

504
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a little pause and I will be

505
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: right back and I'll tell you how this story comes

506
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: to even crazier Wilder. I need to process all of

507
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: this alright. So we are at a Shell gas station

508
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: with our PCPs Secret Superspy who's just shoved a thirteen

509
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: year old boy off of his motorbike because he needs

510
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: to get to Washington to save the president. So a

511
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: bunch of adults are like, this is not cool, man,

512
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: you can't be shoving thirteen year old kids around. This.

513
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: One dude, Doug bush Lan, he's behind the wheel of

514
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Speaker 1: his pickup truck and he's approaching the gas station. He

515
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: sees Walter Scott shoved the kid off the motorbike and

516
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: he's like, well, that ain't right. So he pulls in.

517
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna, like, you know, teach that man

518
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: what's what? And he gets out and Walter Scott sees

519
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: him pulling to the gas station and runs at him.

520
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: He's like, wait what, and so Walter s Got runs

521
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: up and goes, hey, man, I'm from the FBI and

522
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: the c i A I need your car. Both the

523
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: SBI and the CIA from both he and he works

524
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: domestically internationally. Whatever you need now, Bush, that seems like

525
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: a little bit good guy. He allows Walter Scott to

526
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: hop in the back of his truck in the bed.

527
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: He's in the pickup bed and goes go. He's pounding

528
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 1: on the car, like go, let's go. That's phenomenal. So

529
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: they take off and bush them, you know, good guy.

530
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: He drives off and he takes him to assume where

531
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Speaker 1: he is going. He takes the Magnolia lumber yard. He's like,

532
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: I gotta run a couple of areas. He's totally like

533
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: driving the speed limit, using the signals. According to the

534
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: Pellate case, Bush then quote Bush then testified the defendant

535
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: seemed kind of crazy and if restless and hyperactive. He

536
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: also appeared frightened and stated in a loud voice, the

537
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: president of the United States and he had fallen out

538
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: of an airplane. Oh wait, this is a new rink

539
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: because he's now letting people know the fuller story. It's

540
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: not that he has to say of the president. He

541
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: was with the President. I tried to get a motorbike,

542
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: don't know how to use one. I've been riding in

543
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: the back of a pickup truck ps the President and

544
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: I fell out of a plane together. Yes, exactly somewhere

545
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: in this general area of Riverside game. So well, this

546
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: is interesting. Now. At the same time, at Magnolia lumber Yard,

547
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: there's a dude named Christopher Bell. He works there as

548
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: a forklift operator. He sees Bushland's pickup truck pull into

549
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: the yard with his wild eyed mass pounding on the

550
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: top going go no need to go to pull in,

551
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: and the guy's like, he says, he's yelling about how

552
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: he fell out of an airplane. He's a member the

553
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: CIA and the FBI, apparently, just like repeating himself, shouting

554
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: until somebody will understands. From the appellate case quote, Bell

555
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: observed defendant banging on the side of the truck stating

556
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: that he was with the Secret Police and he wanted

557
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: to get inside the truck. So then Walter Scott hops

558
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: out of the back of the truck and runs over

559
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: to Bell, and as he approaches, he points at the

560
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: freeway and yells at the President is passing by. Bell

561
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: shuts off the forklift, takes the keys and climbs down

562
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm out of here, man, I don't

563
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: get paid enough for this, So Walter Scott then does

564
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: what Walter Scott does. Quote defendant then jumped on top

565
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: of the forklift and tried to start it, declaring that

566
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: he needed the forklift for police business. Bell removed the

567
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: keys from the ignition and told the defendant he could

568
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: use the telephone inside and called the police. Walter's ky decrease.

569
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, I'm gonna come inside. I'm gonna call

570
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: the police myself. Like, you're not forklift certified exactly. I'm

571
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: gonna need to see the certifications. Yeah, and so until

572
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I get that done, you're just gonna have to I'll

573
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: let you use our telephone. You're just one walking ocean violation, sir.

574
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: So then we go on. According to the appellate case, quote,

575
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: once inside the building, defendant called information in an attempt

576
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: to get in touch with Washington d C. Stating that

577
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: he was quote John Shaft and that he was from

578
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: the CIA. Yes, He's like, I'm John Shaft, come from

579
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: the CIA. I'm a black man with an afro that

580
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: is resplendent. I need the president. That's you know what?

581
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: That is ridiculous? Right. So after that, when that doesn't

582
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: work and information is like, um, sir, I can't do that. Quote.

583
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: The defendant hung up and read out the operator. This

584
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: time he asked for the police and stated that they

585
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: were trying to kill the president. He stated either that

586
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: he or the President had fallen out of an airplane.

587
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: So apparently he's just telling everybody this at this point,

588
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: Well it happened, yeah, exactly. So I'm guessing the operator

589
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: didn't really take John Shaft too seriously. So quote defendant,

590
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: and then hung up the phone, ran out of the building,

591
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: jumped onto a nearby truck, and tried to start it.

592
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: The truck's owners say soul ed Enteman followed close behind.

593
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: Edeman Stepson was sitting in the passenger seat when the

594
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: defendant jumped inside, closed the door and asked, how do

595
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: you start this video? This guy doesn't know how to

596
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: start any vehicle. He's just running around. How did this work?

597
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: The defendant then announcing, allowed voice, I'm with the CIA.

598
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: I need to use the car. So the kid and

599
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: the steps On totally unimpressed. Like the thirteen year old

600
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: Bobby Brakes, So many cool customers in Riverside County were

601
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: just some guy losing it and whatever. Crazier yeah, go

602
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: back to San Diego. So the boy's stepfather, owner of

603
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: the truck, cecil in him and he comes fronts Walter

604
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: Scott and get the hell out of my car, right.

605
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: Walter Scott obliges, because you know, this is a good

606
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: American citizen, this is the people he protects. So he

607
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: runs back into the lumber yard. Quote. Defendant then telephoned

608
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: his mother stating, I don't know where I'm at, but

609
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: tell somebody to come get me. He then get I

610
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: don't know where I am Every mother wants to hear,

611
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: get right on it. So quote. He then asked the

612
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: owner of the lumberyard to call the police. Defendant asked

613
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: for everyone's names and addresses, indicating that he needed them

614
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: for his final report. Very meticulous. At this point, pretty

615
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: much everyone in the lumber yard knows that this dude

616
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: is out of his bo so like, well, um, let's

617
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: just let him go and do whatever he needs. Eventually,

618
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: Officer Dennis Wenzel arrives on the scene at Magnolia lumber

619
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Speaker 1: and it's not hard for him to find Walter Scott.

620
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: He's the one running around with the crazy eyes, going

621
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm with the FBI. I'm like the CIA. How do

622
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: I start this car? Do you have clothes? He did

623
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: have clothes on, so quote Wensel handcuffs the defendant and

624
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: places him in the squad car. While in the squad card,

625
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: defendant screamed that he was innocent, that he was a

626
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: CI agent and had credentials. At some point, defendant began

627
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: thrusting his feet against the car door. Wentzel eventually placed

628
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: additional restraints on him. Defend it repeatedly demanded that he

629
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: be released immediately. He continued to scream for about forty

630
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: five minutes. However, he later appeared quite calm at the

631
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: booking interview. I like when people demand to be released immediately?

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Speaker 1: Has that ever worked? Unhand me? No, let me out? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Oh are bad? Oh? I'm sorry. We totally made a

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Speaker 1: mistake there, bro, I'm so sorry we didn't recognize. Do

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Speaker 1: you need help finding the president? You can get a

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Speaker 1: plan that you won't fall out of. I just needed

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Speaker 1: you just scream that about twelve thirteen times in my

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Speaker 1: face before it really sunk in. I'm so sorry. So

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Speaker 1: wal just got eventually gets charged for crimes. So what

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Speaker 1: crimes do you think? He gets charged with? Resisting arrest?

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Speaker 1: That's it? No attempted robbery, two counts of attempted unlawful

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Speaker 1: driving or taking of a vehicle, an account of inability

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Speaker 1: to start a vehicle completely. He reasons that he is,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously insane, So he says, look, look, I

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Speaker 1: plead not guilty by reason of insanity to all the charges.

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Speaker 1: He then decides to wave his right to a jury

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Speaker 1: trial and to take a chance on a judge being

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Speaker 1: able to understand. He has one stipulation. He has an

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Speaker 1: agreement that that the issue of his guilty weighed against

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Speaker 1: you know, the the eye witnessed testimony and everybody who

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Speaker 1: saw him, because if you hear his story, it may

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Speaker 1: sound like he was just stealing cars, but if you

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Speaker 1: saw him, you could understand he was a terrified animal

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Speaker 1: trying to survive, and he wants that to be made

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Speaker 1: cleared for the judge. Fortunately, under California law, Walter Scott

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Speaker 1: was found guilty and convicted on two counts of attempted

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Speaker 1: on lawful driving or taking over vehicle. So then he

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Speaker 1: takes his case to the Court of Appeals, which I've

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Speaker 1: been reading from, and that was the fourth Appellate District,

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Speaker 1: and on August three, in the case of the people

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Speaker 1: versus Walter Stephen Scott gets relitigated, and the proceedings were

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Speaker 1: quoted earlier. Now we do know that from Justia Law

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Speaker 1: Justia dot com that quote the evid it established the

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Speaker 1: defendant unknowingly and therefore involuntarily ingested some kind of hallucinogen

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Speaker 1: which caused him to act in a bizarre in a

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Speaker 1: rational manner, and that acting under the delusion that he

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Speaker 1: was a secret agent and that he was acting to

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Speaker 1: save his own life or possibly that of the president,

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Speaker 1: defendant attempted to quote take vehicles belonging to others without

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Speaker 1: their consent. The only question is whether or not a

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Speaker 1: crime has been committed. So what's your call? Crime or

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Speaker 1: no crime? I think you know he was the victim

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Speaker 1: of basically like wouldn't you say, like an assault right

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Speaker 1: where he's chemical. Yeah, and so this is just I

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Speaker 1: just keep thinking how terrifying this must have been for him,

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Speaker 1: Not just his own funeral, Yeah, not just like the

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Speaker 1: people whose vehicles he tried to commentary that was terrifying.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he sees his own funeral. He's going again, Like,

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Speaker 1: I think it's such an interesting insight into his psyche

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Speaker 1: that he doesn't go out and have delusions in which

681
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Speaker 1: he's hurting people. He's trying to save all these people,

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Speaker 1: and he sees himself as this like agent of good.

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Speaker 1: And also I get the feeling he watches a lot

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Speaker 1: of like really crazy action films because it's like, you know,

685
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Speaker 1: it's like that's what's at the forefront of his mind.

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Speaker 1: It's this adventure things of like running on freeways and

687
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Speaker 1: commandeering vehicles and you know, jumping out of a plane

688
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Speaker 1: with the president. I love it. Personally, I'm I'm almost

689
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Speaker 1: kind of envious, like I would love to have the

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Speaker 1: excuse to do How could you find out guilty because

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Speaker 1: it's you know, I think he was he was the

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Speaker 1: one who really suffered. Who who was it who dosed everybody?

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Speaker 1: They don't know that that's not made evident in the

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Speaker 1: appellate case or any of the stuff that I read.

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Speaker 1: Mother in law, so some family member apparently the woman

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Speaker 1: who was refilling Maybe I don't mother in law. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the court decides, quote, under the circumstances we believe not,

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Speaker 1: we believe not meaning not committed a crime. So the

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Speaker 1: court sites Subdivision three of the Punal Code, Section six.

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Speaker 1: They determined which persons are capable or incapable of committing

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Speaker 1: a crime under the law, and I didn't know some

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Speaker 1: people are considered incapable of committing a crime. I am,

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Speaker 1: I have that waiver. They issued a doc and it's

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Speaker 1: just a blanket thing. I carry it with me. They're like,

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Speaker 1: she can't commit a crime. I'm like, see, give me

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Speaker 1: the car that. I'm pretty sure that was the thing

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Speaker 1: you wrote in crayon saying diplomatic community everywhere you've seen it. Yea,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't count. I meant to tell you that I

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Speaker 1: talked to a lawyer. Yeah, okay, bad news, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'll just I'll make up a martial one a permanent marker,

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Speaker 1: got it done. For instance. An example of somebody who

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Speaker 1: cannot be held liable for a crime is quote persons

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Speaker 1: who committed the act or made the omission charged under

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Speaker 1: an ignorance or mistake of fact, which disproves any criminal intent.

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Speaker 1: That certainly applies to Walter Scott. Quote. It is clear that,

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Speaker 1: in attempting to commandeer the vehicle's defendant acted under a

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Speaker 1: mistake of fact. He thought he was a secret government

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Speaker 1: agent acting to protect his own life or possibly that

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Speaker 1: of the president. Now there is another instance where a

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Speaker 1: person is deemed incapable of committing a crime. Quote. When

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Speaker 1: a person commits an act based on a mistake to fact,

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Speaker 1: his guilt or in a sence is determined as if

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Speaker 1: the facts were as he perceived them. So your reality

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Speaker 1: can be somewhat part of the reasonable nature of the law.

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Speaker 1: That sounds a little loose, though I can feel right.

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Speaker 1: So what this means is it it was reasonable for

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Speaker 1: him to steal cars to save the president. The court

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00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: determined it was Quote if and in fact, defended were

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Speaker 1: a government agent, and either his life or the life

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Speaker 1: of the president were in danger, and defendant attempted to

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Speaker 1: command here the vehicles for the purpose of saving his

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Speaker 1: own life or that of the President, his actions would

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Speaker 1: have been legally justified under the doctrine of necessity. Also,

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Speaker 1: the court added that quote, although defendant's mistake effect was

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Speaker 1: undoubtedly irrational, was also undoubtedly reasonable under the circumstances, because

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Speaker 1: the circumstances included that the mistake emanated from a delusion

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Speaker 1: caused by defendants involuntary intoxication resulting from unknowingly ingesting some

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Speaker 1: unspecified hallucinogenic substance. Because he got dusted and ain't his fault.

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Speaker 1: So like, basically, it's like, if you get temporarily brainwashed,

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Speaker 1: you're not criminally liable because it wasn't you acting. This

741
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Speaker 1: has also been kind of tested in some sleepwalker cases. Now,

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Speaker 1: the summary for the court is, quote, we conclude that, therefore,

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Speaker 1: even if the evidence is sufficient to support the trial

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Speaker 1: Court's findings that defended and tended to temporarily deprive the

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Speaker 1: owners of the possession of their vehicles, defendant's actions clearly

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Speaker 1: fall within the purview of Penal Code Section twenty six,

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Speaker 1: Subdivision three, and we're therefore not criminal Boom Walter Scott innocent,

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Speaker 1: as Kanye would say. So, what's our ridiculous takeaway here? Well, Uh,

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Speaker 1: PCP is a hell of a drug. I think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just thinking that the people at the

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Speaker 1: lumber Yard to this day tell amazing stories. They still

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Speaker 1: get free drinks off that story completely, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's probably evolved over time. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I just keep focusing on how scary

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Speaker 1: this must have been. I'm really glad that James Blonde

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Speaker 1: was able to survive. James Bawn. I just it's before

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00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: point break. But I just keep imagining like swazy and

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Speaker 1: Reagan mask and skydiving. Yeah, that's kind of what's so

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00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: lot of that energy. But for me, it's the fact

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Speaker 1: that according to California law, you can go on a

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Speaker 1: mad crime spree and steel cars, car jacko forklifts, shove

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Speaker 1: children around, you can command or whatever vehicles you want

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Speaker 1: or common deer as long as you're on PCP. Like

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Speaker 1: that way, you know, you're if you're convinced you need

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Speaker 1: to save the president, you're free because he was. You're

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Speaker 1: on PCP. So I'm gonna go get some PCP. I

767
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: have a great weekend. No, but for you, do you

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Speaker 1: remember Diane Finstein. She was involved in a very famous

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Speaker 1: legal defense when Dan killed George Musconey and Harvey Milk,

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Speaker 1: supervisor Milk he claimed that the Twinkie defense. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: said that basically he changed his diet and that the

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Speaker 1: high fat, high sugar diet he was eating made him

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Speaker 1: murderously depressed. Now, his legal strategy failed. He was convicted,

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Speaker 1: but unlike the Twinkie defense, the PCP super spy defense

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Speaker 1: it worked. So you know, just pick your poison. So

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Speaker 1: if this all happened to me, what I think we'd

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Speaker 1: probably call this the Fast and Furious defense that you

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Speaker 1: are under the influence of watching all fast and furious movies. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll just keep that in our pocket for when everything

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Speaker 1: comes down, lawyer, and then I'll write up a document

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Speaker 1: for you with the thank you. We'll get the permanent pen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: get the permanent panel, get your waiver. Oh you know

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Speaker 1: what that means. What does that mean, Elizabeth? It means

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Speaker 1: we've got some listener mail here. Our email today comes

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Speaker 1: to us from k Okay. Okay, before I read this off,

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Speaker 1: Why did grandma do it? She thought that if she

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Speaker 1: and my grandpa got caught, the newspaper headline would be funny.

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