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Speaker 1: Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: And so live on a twos the edition of Cleveland

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Speaker 2: Brown's Daily. I am merely Bo. He is the great

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Speaker 2: ze in a tangerine. I think it's a tangerine hoodie

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Speaker 2: today a tangerine Golferty. I like it. I like that Fields,

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Speaker 2: I like that A lot s greener peach tgerine. It's

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Speaker 2: a tangerine. I don't think it looks like the color

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Speaker 2: of a tangerine, but I think most people classify that

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Speaker 3: Is it a kind of sim to me? It feels

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Speaker 3: a little similar to like Dylan Samson's orange. If you

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Speaker 3: had this with gray on a rocky top, don't think

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Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, you said, Dylan immediately went to Gabriel.

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Speaker 2: I think rocky Top is brighter. This is a little

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Speaker 2: more Sherbert. I'd call this now you're talking Torbert. It's

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Speaker 2: an orange.

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Speaker 3: What's happened to Sherbert's. When's last thing we heard somebody say,

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Speaker 3: Sherbert Sherbert's gone the way the din.

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Speaker 2: Is what Sherbert Sherbert?

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Speaker 3: Where does she get a Sherberts.

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Speaker 2: I'm gotta be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: Go look into it.

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you. Not a big fan

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Speaker 2: of orange, Sherbert Sherbert in general. What's the difference between

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Speaker 2: Sherbert and Sorbet? I don't I'm not a Sorbet guy either.

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Speaker 2: There's a there's a mouth feel, you know what.

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Speaker 3: I mouse that word when we talk about an ice product.

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Speaker 3: After the hold on, hold on, he's good to eat

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Speaker 3: the tan on the time.

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Speaker 2: There you go, tan, that's great.

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Speaker 3: Those are baggy jeans by his stand.

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Speaker 2: By his standards. Yeah, yeah, there's a millimeter of space. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: normally no space. Yeah, not a Sherbet gun. So when

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Speaker 2: I was a kid, because that would always be there,

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Speaker 2: and then when you were little, you would be wowed

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Speaker 2: by the color of the Sherbet. Oh my god, look

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Speaker 2: it's a cornicope, this Sherbert, right, that is absolutely a

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Speaker 2: sure Look at this rainbow one. That's going to be great.

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Speaker 2: And then you'd get it and it was.

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Speaker 3: When I was a kid it on my way home

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Speaker 3: from New Haven Middle School, I would end up at Thrifties,

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Speaker 3: which was a drug store chain there. And this is

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Speaker 3: to date myself, things that would seem unfathomable, like for

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Speaker 3: people who don't know that there was a time when

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Speaker 3: Taco Bell's entire menu was fifty nine to seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: Ninety nine the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: That's it, premium products ninety nine cents, chicken soft tacos

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Speaker 3: fifty nine cents. That was the whole menu.

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Speaker 4: And after a solid night of cocktailing and bowl and green,

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Speaker 4: I'd order the entire menu for twenty five dollars.

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Speaker 2: You have all of it?

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Speaker 3: Yes, all of it?

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Speaker 2: Twelve dollars.

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Speaker 3: Uh. There was a Thrifties they used they have you

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Speaker 3: got a triple scoop? Okay for like forty cents. Gods

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Speaker 3: and it was they had an apricot mango Subert that

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Speaker 3: I remember from my youth as I was a big

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Speaker 3: fan of it at that time. I haven't had a

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Speaker 3: Sherbet and I couldn't eve tell you last time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think once you have choices, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: would always if you're going to go down the cool,

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Speaker 2: cold dessert path, you're always going to choose ice cream. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: nice gelato is also away. Yeah, they're really proud of

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Speaker 2: that gelato though. I see it in the Hinens they

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Speaker 2: have that, the one that Tolenti boy, they're really excited

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Speaker 3: It's very talenty. Gelato is very good. It must be

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Speaker 3: it as good a Madagascar vanilla bean if you're doing

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Speaker 2: That to would you put it up there with the

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Speaker 2: very best ice creams for a vanilla beane?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I absolutely would.

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Speaker 2: What's the mouthfeeld difference between a gelato and a and

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Speaker 3: What's the difference between No, no, no, I'm just I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna answer your question with a question. What's the difference

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Speaker 3: between fine Italian leather and like good leather? So your

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Speaker 3: your your creaminess, a smoothness.

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Speaker 2: Your claim is that the gelato is superior to the

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Speaker 2: ice cream from the jump.

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Speaker 3: Not across the board. Yeah, when it comes to Madagascar

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Speaker 3: vanilla bean, though, I would say yes, it's it's it's

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Speaker 3: a silkier, creamier, smoother, more supple. It's a richer it

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Speaker 3: doesn't have like like rip bananas foster. You could like

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Speaker 3: bite into that and like almost feel like you were

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Speaker 3: compressing it in your mouth. Yes, this is more like

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Speaker 3: it's lush.

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Speaker 2: Like a smoothie, smoother situation. But gelato is generally denser, smoother,

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Speaker 2: and richer. What a job about you? Just ready?

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Speaker 5: This is my pal.

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Speaker 3: It's forty six years old. Folks few things over over

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Speaker 3: the day because due.

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Speaker 2: To its lower fat content, lower churning, and less air.

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Speaker 2: Ice Cream, on the other hand, is creamier fluffier due

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Speaker 2: to its high fat content and fast churning, which incorporates

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Speaker 2: more air.

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Speaker 3: There you go, by the way, density That sounds like

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Speaker 3: more gelato, less air sounds like a wind.

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Speaker 2: It might, but then I don't they have a black rat.

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Speaker 3: They have a black raspberry chocolate chip tlenty that's quite good.

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Speaker 3: And then obviously the all their chocolate stuff's good. But

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Speaker 3: there's nothing that will ever compare to the ice cream.

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Speaker 3: You know that is no more for reasons that I

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Speaker 3: can't frankly.

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Speaker 2: Comfort I've been told no, yeah, it's gone. We don't

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Speaker 2: know why. I have been told that particular ice cream

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Speaker 2: you can now get that brand, which will remain nameless

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Speaker 2: because they've gotten rid of what mattered that that you

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Speaker 2: can now get that at Walmart in addition to Meyer,

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Speaker 2: so it's in a couple of places over It doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter if you don't have what you want. And I'm

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Speaker 2: sure the other stuff's great.

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Speaker 3: Imagine they must feel similar, but it's not that the

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Speaker 3: best ice cream I've ever had in my life. And

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Speaker 3: now it's gone and I'll never have it again.

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Speaker 2: No, no, And I've had other people say, oh, I

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Speaker 2: had to try this, tell you.

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Speaker 3: There was one bite left in my my final yeah

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Speaker 3: because I'd been saving it because it's like, once you

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Speaker 3: and refuse. Thing was freezer burned crystals all over it.

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Speaker 3: And guess what. I took it out with my hand.

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Speaker 3: I brushed hand, brushed the crystals off, buffed it, buffed

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Speaker 3: it a little bit, put it on a spoon, let

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Speaker 3: it like warm a little so.

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Speaker 2: It still still there.

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Speaker 3: And when I tell you this, and I know you'll

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Speaker 3: know that this is true, because you know me, I'm

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Speaker 3: an emotional guy. I wept.

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Speaker 2: I bet you did. I believe it because you do.

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Speaker 2: You'll never have that mouth feel again. That taste will

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Speaker 3: If I knew somebody in my like inner circle that

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Speaker 3: was a maestro on the trumpet. I would have wanted

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Speaker 3: them there to play taps while I had the last bite.

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Speaker 2: Like the guns too.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't know where there's what goes up must

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Speaker 3: come down. Yeah, yeah, but the trumpet would have been

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Speaker 3: trump It would have been nice apropos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have been. It's a shame. Uh, it's

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Speaker 2: it's just a shame. It's a you blew it boy

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Speaker 3: In the biggest way, Like they have a thousand flavors,

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Speaker 3: why the one that they're like, okay, now continue this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Remember I lost the whole fleet of

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Speaker 2: them because of the freezer melon function. Yeah, freezer Melfon

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Speaker 2: had the trumpet guy your house too. It was a

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Speaker 2: whole fleet of them that I just looked at and

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Speaker 2: I tried making it work, but it started to separate

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Speaker 2: because of the melting. The flavor was still there, but

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Speaker 2: the mouthfeeld was gone, and they had the crystals. It

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Speaker 3: That was basically like all the all the kids, you know,

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Speaker 3: my our father's age, whose parents throughout their Mickey math

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Speaker 3: ninfe and fifty six Mickey males.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it was like. Those they don't have

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Speaker 2: lost By the way, to be honest with you, I

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Speaker 2: don't think any of them had them. I think they

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Speaker 2: claimed they did. Some did. But the idea that everybody

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Speaker 2: had a fifty six Mickey man or rookie card and

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Speaker 2: they moms all threw them out. I don't come on, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't buy that. Hey how about this Segs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thrilled for him. If you miss the news, Browns director

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Speaker 2: of Player Personnel Dan Sagany, he moves on to Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: He is going to be the VP of player Personnel

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Speaker 2: down in Tennessee. There's some connections with that front office

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Speaker 2: with SAgs. You guys had him in here on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: We're just retelling that story. He's been a frequent guest

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Speaker 3: So yeah, he's great. He's great at what he does.

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Speaker 3: When I first got the opportunity to become a man

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Speaker 3: of film, the moth is what SAgs would call me,

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Speaker 3: the man of film. That was back in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 3: and every Monday I would come in at like six

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Speaker 3: general Manager Ray Farmer, Bill Kuharick, Morocco Brown, Dan Sageny,

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Speaker 3: myself and at the time then the president Alex China,

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Speaker 3: I didn't say much at all, just listened and learned.

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Speaker 3: And that's how I kind of like learned how to

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Speaker 3: watch tape and got a great education from SAgs and

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Speaker 3: Ray Farmer and Bill and Morocco. And it was just

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Speaker 3: a such a cool experience in SAgs and I've always,

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Speaker 3: you know, had been had a nice affinity for one

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Speaker 3: another since then. Great great guy. He will be missed,

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Speaker 3: you know, He's destined to be a general manager in

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Speaker 3: this league. And I think, you know, when you looked

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Speaker 3: the fact that we haven't had, you know, the jump

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Speaker 3: like Quacy from Glenn or Cat above him, he needed

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Speaker 3: he needed room to grow. Yeah, So I think this

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Speaker 3: is a great opportunity for him there with the Tennessee Titan.

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Speaker 3: So I couldn't be happier for him. It's so funny,

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Speaker 3: how you know, so these things are known. The way

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Speaker 3: that the NFL cycle works in front offices is when

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Speaker 3: a new GM comes in, they don't because so much

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Speaker 3: work has already been done. That number one you don't want.

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Speaker 3: You want the people who have done all the work

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Speaker 3: in your building still there. And then you also don't

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Speaker 3: want them going somewhere else and saying, here's what all

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Speaker 3: the work in this building says. So these things all

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Speaker 3: happen after the draft. So that's where you see the

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Speaker 3: turnover and the new people come in. So Borgonzi got

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Speaker 3: the job there, and obviously I was a big SAgs fan.

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Speaker 3: And now so SAgs will be there, and I think

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Speaker 3: he's he might be in the air as we speak

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Speaker 3: right now on his way to Nashville, which there are

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Speaker 3: worse places to be going, but very excited for him.

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Speaker 3: He was a great friend of his program, a great

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Speaker 2: Matter of time. Yeah, matter of time. On that we

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Speaker 2: You get you and I talked to him about him

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty twenty that playoff game, would that have been

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Speaker 3: He's a good, very good player. Yeah, yeah, he's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, certainly was. So now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: If this all goes according to plan, now okay, yes,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna roll five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so that changes that changes the mentality quite

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Speaker 4: But like is that from when he had his visit here?

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that's so true.

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Speaker 2: I know that. It's what makes this also. I mean

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Speaker 2: I think like when those rookies get here, it's going

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Speaker 4: They'll be in Thursday and then everything will get going Friday.

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Speaker 2: One thing that we kind of thought in advance of

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Speaker 5: Ruh? You know, it's funny. That's one thing I'm not

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Speaker 5: obviously they felt pretty good about the trade. You know,

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Speaker 5: probably knew that Mason Graham would be their pick at five.

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Speaker 2: Well, what do you make of Mason Graham? What do

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Great, Graham was a is a fun, fun player

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Speaker 5: You know, he's probably a little shorter in terms of

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Speaker 5: of that, and there's so many good things about him,

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Speaker 5: because when you draft to de tackle at five, he

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Speaker 5: needs to become a pass rusher. You're not drafting him

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Speaker 2: Defense, absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: You're exactly right, that is that's a position where you've

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Speaker 3: be a pass rusher. You've got to be a disruptor,

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Speaker 3: and hopefully Mason Graham can do that. Bo asked about

436
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Speaker 3: the running backs.

437
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Speaker 6: I lot.

438
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Speaker 3: We talked about this a little bit yesterday, you and

439
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Speaker 3: I the tandem that they were able to get Quinjohn Judkins,

440
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Speaker 3: Dylan Samson, thunder Lightning. What did you make about that,

441
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 3: and then from a roster standpoint, to have two guys

442
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Speaker 3: on rookie deals for four years that compliment each other

443
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 3: seems pretty.

444
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Speaker 5: Good, which is a big deal. I mean, that's the

445
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Speaker 5: kind of thing teams think about obviously more than I do.

446
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 5: I'm just watching tape, and I mean, that's a big deal.

447
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 5: And you're one hundred percent right. Judkins is a fascinating

448
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 5: guy because he's truly a feature back. That's what he is.

449
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,959
Speaker 5: You wouldn't call him purely explosive, although he does have

450
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 5: snapshots where he does take it to the house. But

451
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 5: at his core, he's a downhill, decisive, velocity runner. He's

452
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 5: got enough lateral quickness to beat penetration. He can slide

453
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Speaker 5: into open gaps. He's got power, he's got contact balance,

454
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 5: he can run through tackles, he finishes runs. You know,

455
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Speaker 5: the term I kind of used. I can't remember if

456
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 5: I saw it somewhere, you know, years ago, or if

457
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 5: I just popped into my head watching him. He sort

458
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 5: of has contact aggression, you know, and there's a physical

459
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 5: dimension to the way he plays, and you like that

460
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Speaker 5: for your feature back. You know, everybody in an offense

461
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Speaker 5: likes when you're back is powerful and gets hard earned

462
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 5: yards because there's a big, big difference, you know. I

463
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Speaker 5: always think of it this way, Nathan. I think that

464
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Speaker 5: when it's blocked for three, the really good backs gets

465
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Speaker 5: six or seven. That's the nature of the league. That's

466
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Speaker 5: what keeps offense, keeps offenses on track and on schedule.

467
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Speaker 5: To use all the clochede terms, but it's true, man

468
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Speaker 5: and Judkins is that kind of back. He may not have,

469
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Speaker 5: you know, five forty yard touchdown runs, but he can

470
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Speaker 5: keep your offense on track, and he can run zone

471
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Speaker 5: and he can run gap skiing.

472
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Speaker 3: And then to pair him with the guy who can

473
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Speaker 3: take it to the house anytime he touches the ball

474
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Speaker 3: the sec off, it's a player of the year. Dylan Samson,

475
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Speaker 3: What did you see from him when you watched his

476
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Speaker 3: tape out of Tennessee?

477
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I thought that was it's a good mix because,

478
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Speaker 5: to be honest with you, and I watched Samson's tape

479
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 5: and I liked him. I didn't view him as a

480
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 5: feature back. I saw him as a complimentary back in

481
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Speaker 5: a two back system. He's the perfect example though, of

482
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 5: a guy who runs really hard. But is the difference

483
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 5: between physical which he is, but he's not powerful. There's

484
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Speaker 5: a difference. So he runs hard and you love that

485
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 5: about him. He's competitive, but he's not powerful, whereas Judkins

486
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Speaker 5: is powerful. So they're in some ways they're similar and

487
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Speaker 5: in some ways they're different, which is exactly what you want.

488
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 5: You don't want the exact same guy. But you know,

489
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Speaker 5: he runs with velocity. That's what I like. I mean,

490
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Speaker 5: he's you know, and he's another guy by the way

491
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 5: that I thought ran gap scheme really really well. So

492
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Speaker 5: I think it's a good combination. You know. That's the

493
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Speaker 5: kind of thing where I think specific games will determine

494
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Speaker 5: how many carries each I guess. I think in an

495
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 5: ideal world, Judkins is your guy, and you want your

496
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 5: offense to kind of start with him. And we know

497
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Speaker 5: that Kevin Stefanski in an ideal world wants the the

498
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 5: run game to be the foundation. They still have a

499
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 5: really good old line and so you want that to

500
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 5: be the foundation. You want to work your past game

501
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Speaker 5: off of that, and Judkins is clearly the number one

502
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 5: back in that regard.

503
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Speaker 2: Greg At the top of the second round, we took

504
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: Carson Swestinger, the linebacker out of U C. L A,

505
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: who just was shot out of a cannon this year

506
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: in Big Tap Play. What did you see with him

507
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 2: on tape? What are what are Browns fans gonna like

508
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: about him?

509
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's another guy that was a lot of fun

510
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 5: to watch. They took two guys who were just like

511
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 5: fun to watch and Graham and Swesssinger. Sweesssinger was His

512
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 5: whole game is kind of built on just athleticism and

513
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 5: and and energy. I mean, this guy he made rezillion tackles.

514
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Speaker 5: First of all, he's got high level athleticism, he's got

515
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 5: loose hips, he's an easy fluid mover. There's there's twitch,

516
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 5: there's explosiveness in the box. I mean, he's got unbelievable

517
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 5: trigger speed. He sees it and he goes and he

518
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 5: sees it well. I mean that's one of the key

519
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 5: elements of his game is he fits that classic profile

520
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 5: of the key and diagnosed play recognition, quick trigger stackbacker.

521
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 5: That's exactly who he is, even though he was two

522
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 5: forty two with the combine. He doesn't necessarily play big.

523
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 5: He plays fast. That's his game. He's got that first

524
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 5: step of first step explosiveness, so more often than not,

525
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 5: instead of stacking and shedding, which is the sort of

526
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Speaker 5: the old school way we think about stackbackers, you know,

527
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 5: taking on lineman physically. He's kind of beat blocks with

528
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 5: his athleticism and sudden twitch rather than with physicality. I

529
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 5: think he does have to become a little more physical.

530
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 5: You know, in this league there are times you have

531
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Speaker 5: to play that way. But you know, there is no

532
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Speaker 5: sense that it's clear that this guy is just a

533
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Speaker 5: twitchy athletic.

534
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Speaker 3: Guys are all hoping that we get an opportunity to

535
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: see him on the field next to Jeremiah Usukormo because

536
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: you think about what the front the Browns have to have.

537
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: Those two at the second level running around would be

538
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: a lot of fun to watch, right Yeah.

539
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, in some ways they're similar. But

540
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 5: you know, and that's why I think you do that

541
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Speaker 5: Swestioninger does need to develop some kind of physicality as

542
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 5: a player, just because you almost have two guys then

543
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 5: who are super athletic, but you know they're probably more

544
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 5: they're almost more sub players than they are you know,

545
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 5: base defense players, but obviously they play in the base defense. Greg.

546
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the thing that you and I like

547
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: to talk about the most whenever we get together. And

548
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: it's something that has been an issue for the Cleveland

549
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 3: Browns for a great, great many years, that is trying

550
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: to find the quarterback to operate this offense and lead

551
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 3: this team deep into the postseason. The Browns get two

552
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: cracks at it in this draft because the draft board

553
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: fell very interestingly, which we'll talk about a second. Well,

554
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Speaker 3: let's start with the first pick. The Browns pick number

555
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: ninety four in this one. Dylan Gabriel and why you

556
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: think he just is such a Kevin Stefanski quarterback.

557
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's funny because people look at Gabriel

558
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 5: and the thing about Gabriel is he looks small when

559
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 5: you watch him. He looks small on TV, and he

560
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 5: looks small on tape. But he's five eleven in an eighth,

561
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 5: so he's actually bigger, let's say, than Kyler Murray. He's

562
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 5: not built the same way. So Murray looks, you know, bigger,

563
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 5: but I mean he's five eleven in an eighth. So

564
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: then you get caught up and what does that mean?

565
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 5: That's you know, that's hard to know, but I will

566
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: tell you this. I watched him last summer when he

567
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 5: was at Oklahoma, and then of course, I watched him

568
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 5: this year at Oregon, and you know, you're dealing with

569
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 5: a guy that has a natural feel for the position.

570
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 5: And what I mean by that is he sort of

571
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 5: has a subtle feel and nuanced feel for pocket movement.

572
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 5: You don't see a lot of college quarterbacks like that.

573
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 5: I thought he had a really good sense of when

574
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 5: to come off, what wasn't there. And let's say, get

575
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 5: to a checkdown, and that doesn't seem like a big deal,

576
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: but it is a big deal because if you get

577
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 5: to checkdowns late, then the defense just rallies up and

578
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 5: it becomes a two yard gain. If you get to

579
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 5: a checkdown sort of within the flow, then all of

580
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 5: a sudden, your back has room or whoever is catching

581
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: the ball, and it becomes an eleven yard gain. And

582
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 5: those things might not seem like a big deal, but

583
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 5: they are ye And I thought he was very good

584
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 5: at that. He didn't get stuck in the pocket. You know,

585
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 5: you see a lot of quarterbacks they drop back, they

586
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 5: don't get a clear picture, they get stuck in the pocket.

587
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 5: He doesn't really get stuck in the pocket. And what

588
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 5: I thought with him when I finished watching him, and

589
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 5: by the way, his arm's a little better than people

590
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 5: might think. I mean, he doesn't have a hose obviously,

591
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 5: but you know, people look at the size and probably

592
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 5: think he doesn't throw the ball really well. He throws

593
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 5: it a little better than people might think. Now, what

594
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: I said about him when I finished watching him, I said,

595
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 5: what he would need at the next level is an

596
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 5: offense in passing game built on timing and rhythm concepts

597
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 5: with an emphasis on RPO type things, quick game where

598
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 5: Gabriel can hit his back foot deliver the ball. I

599
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 5: thought play action and play action boot concepts to more

600
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 5: clearly define the reads and present cleaner throwing lanes also

601
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 5: be needed. So what am I saying? I'm talking about

602
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 5: Kevin Stefanski's offense. Yes, you are, you know it does

603
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 5: you know it does fit stylistically, he fits Now obviously,

604
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 5: none of us know how this is going to play out,

605
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 5: you know, you never know that you just draft. But

606
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: what his traits are fit exactly what Kevin Stefanski wants

607
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 5: to do with his offense.

608
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: Greg when you're watching film, because obviously he's you know,

609
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: he was at Oklahoma's at Oregon, they're primarily out of

610
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: the gun and all of those things. So when you're

611
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: watching tape and you're thinking about playing, what we're going

612
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: to want to play, getting back to Kevin Stefanski's roots,

613
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: under center, play action, wide zone, all of it. Right,

614
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: What traits do you look for in a quarterback that

615
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: fit that style when they don't play that style really

616
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: at all in college?

617
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously I didn't know who was going to draft him,

618
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 5: so I'm not you know, I'm not thinking, you know, well,

619
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 5: let's see how he's going to do with the Browns.

620
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know that. You know, I start

621
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 5: from scratch. I mean because I was taught the position

622
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: by a wall, So I start from scratch. I start

623
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 5: with taking the snap. You know, what's their footwork? Footwork,

624
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 5: footwork like you know, where do they hold the ball,

625
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 5: their ball carriage, you know, do they step into their throws?

626
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 5: Do they did their eyes and their feet work together?

627
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 5: You know. I think about all the nuanced elements of

628
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 5: playing the quarterback position, and then of course you start

629
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 5: working toward Okay, what are the route concepts that the

630
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 5: offense runs? I mean, there's not a thousand route concepts,

631
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 5: So in college they do run mostly the same stuff

632
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 5: you run in the NFL. You know, college is mostly

633
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 5: what they call pure progression, where you don't really get

634
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 5: taught much about the defense. So that's something you have

635
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 5: to learn at the NFL. But just getting into something

636
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 5: that's also a learned trade, which will become important in

637
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 5: a Kevin Stefanski offense, is play action under center, because

638
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 5: turning your back to the defense is a learned traits.

639
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 5: If you've not done that, you know, and I've talked

640
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 5: to quarterbacks and coaches over the years, when you turn

641
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 5: your back to the defense and snap your head around,

642
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 5: the defense is not in the same place it was

643
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 5: before before you turned your head So that's a learned

644
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 5: trait because that can be a little scary the first

645
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 5: number of times you do it. So that's something that

646
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 5: he'll have to learn. Most college quarterbacks have to learn

647
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 5: that because the way kids are brought up now playing

648
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 5: quarterback with all the seven on seven and everything is

649
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 5: in the gun, nobody's under center. So that is clearly

650
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 5: a learned trait to turn your back to the defense

651
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 5: and then have to snap your head around, and you

652
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 5: have to snap it around quick. I mean, you know,

653
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 5: it's not one of those things that you do in

654
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 5: slow motion. You got to snap your head around and

655
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 5: pick up whatever the play design calls for you to

656
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 5: pick up, but you got to pick it up really quick.

657
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something Joe Flacco does incredibly well. That's why

658
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: he came into this offense and immediately had a lot

659
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: of success. And you kind of talked about it. No

660
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: ball distributor, on time in rhythm, the things that Kevin

661
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: Sefanski wants. And I actually got a chance to talk

662
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: with him yesterday and he said the three things that he.

663
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: Values the most.

664
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Speaker 3: You've got to be accurate, you've got to have good

665
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: quick decision making, You've got to be tough. And then

666
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: he said fourth was pocket movement. They believe Dylan Gabriel

667
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: has elite pocket movement. You brought that up on your

668
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: own as well. Yeah, he does think and.

669
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 5: And and and obviously the system, you know, and obviously

670
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 5: there are better coaches than others when it comes to

671
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 5: offense and designing past game schemes. But the system can

672
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 5: help with your decision making as well. You know, when

673
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 5: you because when you watch a good offense, you can

674
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: see it. A good pass game, you can just see it.

675
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 5: The quarterback is clearly comfortable, the reads seem clean, you know,

676
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 5: and and that's why some coaches are better than others.

677
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 5: But that obviously you can do that in normal down

678
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 5: in distant situations. When it's third and nine, obviously everything changes.

679
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: But but you know Gabel stylistically, and again, I know

680
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 5: people are going to debate this because you know, not

681
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 5: only because of Gabriel but because of the Sanders pick

682
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 5: coming later. But Gabriel generally people will debate it because

683
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 5: of his size, but stylistically he fits and if.

684
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: He can, as I said all along, if he's you know,

685
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: a left handed case keenom for Kevin Sefanskian has a

686
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: career like that at pick number ninety four, that's a

687
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: heck of a pick. A guy who can start for you,

688
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: a guy who can be a great backup for a

689
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: very long time. And then you just alluded to it,

690
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: so I'll get right to it. Yeah, things got very

691
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: interesting now, I've always said, and a lot of people

692
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: were very surprised by what happened on draft day, and

693
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: probably rightfully so, because people who just watched the tape

694
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: like you did, there were people that liked him in

695
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: the first round, there was another contingent. You were among them.

696
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: Who saw him more of a second round pick. Nobody

697
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: saw this guy on tape as pick one for four

698
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: in this draft. So we know that the pre draft

699
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: process was an absolute disaster for Shador Sanders, and that's

700
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: why he was there. But you go back to the

701
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: things you and I have talked about, what was your

702
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: evaluation of him, And it feels like he wins kind

703
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: of when he can win, he wins in the same

704
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: ways that a Dylan Gabriel wins or that a Kevin

705
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: Stefanski would want his quarterback to win.

706
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 5: That's what he is. I mean, you know, if you

707
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 5: look at it from that thirty thousand foot of you know,

708
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 5: macro view and you and I Nathan had this conversation

709
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 5: at the combine. It's a wonderful conversation to have and

710
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 5: there's no right or wrong answer. But the way the

711
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 5: league has kind of progressed is quarterbacks now have to

712
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 5: have movement. Now, movement is relative. There's different kinds of movement. Obviously,

713
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow doesn't have the same kind of movement as

714
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 5: Josh Allen, but Joe Burrow can certainly move and make

715
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 5: plays moving. So movement, like I said, is a relative term.

716
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 5: But so if you're essentially a pocket quarterback, which and Gabriel,

717
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 5: by the way, he's a better athlete too than people think.

718
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 5: But if he were to play well in the league,

719
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 5: if he became the Brown starter, Dylan Gabriel, at his core,

720
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 5: he's a pocket quarterback. If Shadur Sanders were, by chance

721
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 5: become the Brown starting quarterback, at his core, he's a

722
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 5: pocket quarterback. Neither guy's a statue, but they'd make their

723
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 5: bones in the league by playing from the pocket. That's

724
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 5: who they are. So when you play from the pocket,

725
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 5: there's so many things that go into that, beginning with

726
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 5: the pre snap phase. Okay, and and by the way,

727
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 5: it even begins with calling plays in the huddle, which

728
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 5: will a lot of these guys don't do in college.

729
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 5: But a lot of people don't think about that. You've

730
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 5: got to now call plays in the huddle, get up

731
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 5: to the line of scrimmage. This is the operational phase

732
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 5: of playing quarterback. And I can tell you for a

733
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 5: fact that someone like CALEBF Williams struggled with that. One

734
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 5: of the issues that he had is he had a

735
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 5: hard time just doing the operational phase and he'd get

736
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 5: up to the line of scrimmage and there'd be five

737
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 5: seconds left on the play clock, and you never want

738
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 5: to be in that situation. So the whole idea of

739
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 5: calling plays in the huddle, which Gabriel and Sanders have

740
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 5: not done. You've got to really work on that because

741
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 5: that's a significant part of playing quarterback, which I bet

742
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 5: a lot of people don't think about. But anyway, getting

743
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 5: back to Sanders, I mean, I thought that he was

744
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 5: an easy natural thrower despite not having higher level arm strength,

745
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 5: but it wasn't an issue in the sense that he

746
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 5: couldn't make throws. Although it's funny, I've always believed arm

747
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 5: strength isn't an issue until it is an issue. You know.

748
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 5: It's like it's like insurance. It's never an issue until

749
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 5: it is an issue. You know, you know, and and

750
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 5: just talk to Joe Flacco about that. I've had this

751
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 5: conversation with Joe because you know, he's a South Jersey guy.

752
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 5: So I spend time with Joe and I know him

753
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 5: and he's a terrific guy. And arm strength isn't what

754
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: people think it is. Arm strength isn't throwing the ball

755
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 5: eighty yards. Arm strength is driving a deep dig between defenders.

756
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 5: That's arm strength in the NFL, you know, and a

757
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 5: guy like Placo can do that, you know, in his sleep,

758
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 5: you know. But anyway, Sanders, to me, he's a pocket quarterback.

759
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 5: He's he's kind of a little bit of a pure thrower.

760
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 5: He's kind of an over the top thrower, which you

761
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 5: also don't see very much these days. And I would

762
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 5: say that, you know, he has kind of a vision

763
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 5: and feel for the game, but he has to work

764
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 5: behind a strong pass protecting all line. He's got to

765
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 5: have quality receivers, and he has to have a well

766
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 5: schemed passing game that presents to fine reads. Now, people

767
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 5: could say, well, every quarterback needs that, and in theory,

768
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 5: of course, I mean, you still want to give josh

769
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 5: Allen that, you still want to give Lamar Jackson that,

770
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 5: you still want to give Mahomes that. But the point

771
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 5: is if they don't have that, they can will elevate

772
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 5: your offense. The Mahomes, excuse me, the quarterbacks like Sanders,

773
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 5: let's say, like a Kirk Cousins. Okay, those guys can't

774
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 5: elevate your offense if they don't have those things. So

775
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 5: that's what I mean when I say they need a

776
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 5: lot of things. Doesn't mean, they can't function in the league.

777
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: I mean obviously, you know, and again I'm not comparing

778
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 5: Sanders or Gabriel to Tom Brady or Drew be Breeze,

779
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 5: but we've seen quarterbacks that are super high level mastering

780
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 5: every element of pocket play. That's what you sort of

781
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 5: have to become. Now, not everybody becomes Breeze or Brady,

782
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 5: but you know, when I watched Sanders, I said to myself,

783
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 5: you know what, he's a lower case C. J. Stroud.

784
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 5: He's not as good, but it's that style of quarterback.

785
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting when you think about that. I

786
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: saw a video of Jackson Dart with John Gruden. Greg

787
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 2: Gruden said give me your snapcount and he just clapped

788
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: and that was it. And Gruen's like, yeah, but then

789
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: what's the count And he's like, no, that's it, And

790
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: Gen does you just clapped for four years? And He's like, yeah,

791
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: I clapped for four years. So they have to reteach

792
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: them how to play quarterback at this level, yes, almost

793
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: in scratch.

794
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 5: And you know what, Like I said, I don't think

795
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 5: a lot of people think about that part of playing quarterback,

796
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 5: the operational part. Okay, you've got to call plays in

797
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: the huddle. Now, okay, these guys have not They've probably

798
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 5: never called plays in the huddle, you know, and it's

799
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 5: not just you know, it's not just memorizing a play.

800
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 5: You know, you have to understand it in great detail,

801
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 5: understand the concept. You know, you have to under you

802
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 5: have to recite it in the huddle. So that veteran

803
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 5: offensive lineman like Joe Botonio, you know, who's sitting there

804
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 5: and he believes what you're saying. You know, you can't

805
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 5: be saying it in the tone of voice where like gee,

806
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what I'm saying. You know, you know

807
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 5: how it is with offensive linemen, These thirty year old

808
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 5: offensive linemen, they don't care who the quarterback is. As

809
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 5: long as the guy can can win games for them

810
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 5: and maybe get them to.

811
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: The super Bowl.

812
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: They're not worried about all the other stuff.

813
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's you know you think about as a

814
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: fancy sal you talked about Bill Walsh, you know West

815
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 3: Coast quite you know roots they're pretty verbose play calls.

816
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: I remember when was here, it is a very that

817
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 3: was just being able to get the play call out,

818
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: remember every element of it, know what it meant, get

819
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: it out quickly so that everybody knew that you knew

820
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: what it meant, and then get up to the line

821
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: and check everything out. It's a very different thing. And

822
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: that's you know, I think mine is going to be good.

823
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: For that because the West Coast methodology is words, whereas

824
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 5: you know the Don Courriel, which were the two main

825
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 5: ones in the league for years and they still are

826
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 5: to some degree. That's more numbers.

827
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 2: So yep.

828
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 5: So not only do you have to understand those play calls,

829
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 5: but then you have to understand the alert. I mean,

830
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 5: how many times are their alerts where you give the

831
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: play call and then you were alert to something else,

832
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 5: you know. I mean this takes a lot of time.

833
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 5: You know. It's it's like learning a foreign language, okay,

834
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 5: I mean, you know it might seem easy to people,

835
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 5: but it's not at all. I mean, if I told

836
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 5: you in the next two weeks you had to learn

837
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 5: French and then go in front of people and start

838
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 5: talking like you really knew it we were talking about,

839
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a hard thing to do. We we

840
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 5: I'm assuming you don't know French.

841
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: That's about it, Jamappel, Nathan, And like I could get

842
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: myself around I could get a Foreign Language Student of

843
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: the Year nineteen ninety four. No, Bigdale Friendship's a lot

844
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: of it is those Thank goodness for Scantron's and that's

845
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 3: speaking test aggress All right, Greg, we're having a blast.

846
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: These are the quarterbacks. You know, Kevin Sefanski wants to win.

847
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 3: The one guy we've drafted that we haven't talked about,

848
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: I think fits a lot of what he wants to do.

849
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: I know he's very excited about him. That's a tight end,

850
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: Harold fan and who had a historic year as a

851
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: tight end in the FBS. The MAC Offensive Player of

852
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 3: the Year moves interestingly. He kind of looks like an

853
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: old Antonio Gates running around where he doesn't really pick

854
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: up his legs. But when you watch him against Texas

855
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: A and M and Penn State, he ran away from

856
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: those guys and that's the best competition he faced all year.

857
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was an odd guy for me to evaluate

858
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 5: just for that reason. Maybe it's like a personal thing,

859
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 5: but I but he just didn't pick up his feet.

860
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Speaker 5: But there's no question he's more straight Linelan here. You know,

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Speaker 5: he's not necessarily loose hipped, And I saw him as

862
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Speaker 5: a guy that would have to be in a sense

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Speaker 5: a second tight end. When I say second tight end,

864
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Speaker 5: the league, many teams have moved more toward twelve personnel,

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Speaker 5: So these guys are are not second tight ends in

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Speaker 5: a strict sense. I mean, you know, someone like Noah

867
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Speaker 5: Gray for the Chiefs, he played fifty percent of their

868
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Speaker 5: offensive snaps. Think about that, and they've got, you know,

869
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Speaker 5: the guy who's been the best tight end in the

870
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Speaker 5: league for years. So so so many teams have moved

871
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Speaker 5: toward twelve personnel. So and obviously being a two hundred

872
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 5: and forty one pounds and by the way, he did

873
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Speaker 5: work to block. I mean, I'm not sure he's going

874
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Speaker 5: to block. You know, big two hundred and eighty five

875
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Speaker 5: pounds d ends with regularity. But he did work to block,

876
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Speaker 5: so it's not like he gave no effort. But you're

877
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Speaker 5: not drafting him to be an attached tight end. You're

878
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Speaker 5: drafting him to be a movement tight end. You're drafting

879
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Speaker 5: him to line up all over the formation, maybe go

880
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Speaker 5: in motion, maybe me your motion player at times, and

881
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Speaker 5: you know you match him with you know, with Ndjoku

882
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Speaker 5: Jojo right, yeah, yeah, and you know, so that's how

883
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Speaker 5: it can work. That's who he is because he's two

884
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Speaker 5: forty one. So he's really a big wide out in

885
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Speaker 5: a sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah know.

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Speaker 5: And and so I felt watching his tape that he

888
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 5: was at his best running movement routes. And by movement routes,

889
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Speaker 5: I means like crossers, over seems, verticals, you know, routes

890
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Speaker 5: where he doesn't have to you know, where the fact

891
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Speaker 5: that he's kind of straight line linear is not a

892
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Speaker 5: big factor. He's not a guy that's loose hipped and fluid.

893
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Speaker 5: You know, he doesn't have what we'd like to say,

894
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 5: oily hips. He's not that guy. But he can run

895
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Speaker 5: a little bit, and he's really good run after cats.

896
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Speaker 5: So you know, again, if you're gonna play twelve personnel

897
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Speaker 5: and you've got Anjoku, who, by the way, can also run.

898
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Speaker 5: And I've always liked in Joko. I remember watching him

899
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Speaker 5: coming out of college and he was he was a

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00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 5: monster in college, and he's had great moments with the

901
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 5: Browns too. For some reason, you know, it just popped

902
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Speaker 5: into my head. I guess it was when Flacco was there.

903
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 5: Was it a couple of years ago and he caught

904
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 5: that touchdown? Was that against Houston in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember, no joke, we had one against

906
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Speaker 3: Houston on Christmas Eve because he had a couple against

907
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Speaker 3: the Jags.

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Speaker 5: That he I think the one I'm thinking it might

909
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Speaker 5: have been against Houston. It was towards the back of

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Speaker 5: the end zone. It was kind of like a scene

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Speaker 5: throw by fly.

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Speaker 3: That was that was on that was Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a ridiculous throw and a ridiculous yeah. Yeah,

915
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 5: it was beautiful, yes, yes, but anyway, I can't believe

916
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 5: that just popped into my head out of nowhere. But anyway,

917
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Speaker 5: we love it.

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Speaker 3: Brown's Brown's moments in your head, Greg, this is great.

919
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that that. I'm a little sick, Nathan, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: but we all know in.

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Speaker 3: The right way.

922
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Speaker 5: Right.

923
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Speaker 3: Well, I got a fun fact for you, Greg, real

924
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: quick about Fanning and Nadjoka, which I actually dropped on Stefanski,

925
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: which he was not aware of at the time either,

926
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Speaker 3: although he said it made a lot of sense when

927
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Speaker 3: everything they liked about him. Both were drafted at the

928
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Speaker 3: age of twenty. Both of them led the FBS in

929
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Speaker 3: yards after the catch per reception at the tight end.

930
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Speaker 3: Position of them led the FBS in mistackles forced per

931
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: reception at the level that works.

932
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Speaker 5: And isn't that funny, Nathan, because they look totally different running.

933
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Speaker 3: If it's a high jump champion and this guy doesn't

934
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Speaker 3: lift his feet off the ground but he is.

935
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Joku looks like a smooth, fluid guy that as

936
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Speaker 5: soon as you see him you go wow and fan

937
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 5: and looks like, man, can you look your legs up

938
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Speaker 5: a little more?

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Speaker 2: You know, Hey, hey, Greg, I'll get you out of

940
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Speaker 2: here on this one. For our fans, because they're going

941
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Speaker 2: to be watching everything these two quarterbacks do, especially right

942
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: without quick when we talk about preseason football, because we're

943
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: going to get a long look at them in preseason. Yeah,

944
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: what will you be looking for from Gabriel and Sanders

945
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: to let you know that they're getting it? And what

946
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: should our fans be looking for in those games?

947
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 5: You know, I'm not going to cop out here. You

948
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 5: know it's a hard question to answer, But the way

949
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Speaker 5: I look at preseason, and by the way, I'm not

950
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 5: I don't love watching preseason football just because of what

951
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 5: I do, you know, but I think what you're looking for,

952
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 5: and I imagine what the coaches look for as well,

953
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 5: is just executing what they're asked to do at a

954
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 5: high level, you know, because obviously they're not going to

955
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 5: be given a playbook that's you know, that's you know,

956
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 5: three hundred plays. They're going to be given relatively basic

957
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 5: concepts that are a foundational part of the Stefanski pass game,

958
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 5: and they're going to be asked to execute those correctly. Okay,

959
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 5: And obviously the defenses they're going to play against are

960
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 5: not going to be you know, game plan defenses, so

961
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 5: they're going to get fairly basic looks. Okay. You know,

962
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 5: instead of getting ten versions of Cover three when they play,

963
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 5: they're going to get two versions of Cover three, you know,

964
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 5: So they're going to get fairly basic looks. So what

965
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 5: you want is you want them to hit their back foot,

966
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 5: know where they're going to the ball, turn it loose,

967
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 5: make the right decision, and throw it with precise ball location.

968
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 5: So you're looking for them to execute the right way

969
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 5: play after play after play. That's what you're looking for.

970
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 5: If they can't do that in the preseason, it's not

971
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 5: all of a sudden going to happen if they have

972
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 5: to play week two, No, that's it.

973
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Speaker 2: Thanks for making us smarter, buddy, I are the best.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it, guys. I love talking with you. Thanks

975
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Speaker 5: so much.

976
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Speaker 3: Likewise, maybe we'll have to do it more.

977
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Speaker 2: We'd love to do it.

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Speaker 5: I think we should.

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Speaker 2: Great joby.

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Speaker 4: I opened so we have a back back door off

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And they do a bunch of great artwork right here

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Speaker 4: for Halloween. And yeah, they do stuff here at the

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Speaker 4: facility where the dogs in like run out on the

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Speaker 2: Oh that looks great.

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Speaker 4: Come on, see you always need a good bucket hat.

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Speaker 4: That's bucket.

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Speaker 6: It's a great looking bucket hat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know that I ever want to take

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Speaker 2: this off. Why would you? I might not. I got

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Speaker 2: Beamsy into them when we were in California. I'm dude,

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Speaker 2: bucket hats are gonna be key for you. And you

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Speaker 2: really start rocking the buckets. Oh man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good milkbone bucket hat.

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Speaker 6: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: When there's like two three of these here, you could

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Speaker 4: take your dog too, like they do it up right.

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Speaker 3: You get your milt bone made with Jiff peanut butter. Oh, bybaby,

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Speaker 3: you know the dogs like that peanut butter.

1075
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Speaker 2: They sucked that.

1076
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: Get a little barking baggers, backers tag. You got a

1077
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: bow tie if you want.

1078
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: To get him looking formal. Get them all fancied up and.

1079
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 3: Fancied up, and then this fun thing.

1080
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 4: Oh that's a big damn No.

1081
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: I think that's one of those things you stick and

1082
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: then you put like this, Uh is that what it is?

1083
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: Like you put peanut butter on it. They can look

1084
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: at it. Ye yeah, yeah, like you stick it on

1085
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: there and then they they'll look at and they can

1086
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: have a good time with it. Have a good time

1087
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: with it. That's what that is.

1088
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I really like this guy.

1089
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 6: That's a great look.

1090
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: Do you want to tie a bow tie?

1091
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: No?

1092
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: I learned from my wedding because I wanted the Yeah

1093
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: I did, because I wanted the sat right now. I

1094
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: think if I watched one.

1095
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 3: No videos right now, you got a bow tie, and

1096
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: if you can get it done you do not have

1097
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 3: to be one of the hundred men that fight the gorilla.

1098
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: You'll get to that in a second. I think I could. Okay,

1099
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 2: no think I could.

1100
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: I had no idea. So we're we're literally on the

1101
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: wedding day like they were just in packages, so like

1102
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 4: pull them out to just pop them on. Yeah, no,

1103
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 4: way we go because we're not going to be in

1104
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 4: themlong anyway. Sure we have a party to go to,

1105
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 4: that's right. Uh And realizing huh.

1106
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: Oh they were real. Oh you didn't know. You thought

1107
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: it was a clip on Honey.

1108
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 4: About of heads up and I'm watching a YouTube video

1109
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: Lakewood Park before I do photo.

1110
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: But you got it.

1111
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got it.

1112
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: They're tough. It's way harder than than a normal time

1113
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: to so much.

1114
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 4: Two of my guys were very good at it and skilled,

1115
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: and I was like, thank them.

1116
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tougher for sure. It took a while,

1117
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: but you I wanted to be able to pop it.

1118
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: I could go Sinatra at the wedding and just have

1119
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 2: it just flopping. That's what you want. You want to

1120
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: just have that have that tide flopping around. So anyway,

1121
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: that's great.

1122
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 4: Those are two very successful programs here and you get

1123
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 4: your money's worth, so absolutely.

1124
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: Uh, Junior Brown's backers and then the barking backers. You

1125
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: have both of those things slip forward to which is

1126
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: nice second hour of the program coming up next, including

1127
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: that exclusive one on one sit down with Z and

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00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,680
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Speaker 2: old NBC kind of be in a punk all the

1140
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: way to school today, Wollway.

1141
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 3: Hate to hear it.

1142
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just happens. It's you know, there's seventh grade.

1143
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, totally.

1144
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: So we're two minutes to drop off, Okay, goes, Dad.

1145
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? I said, yeah, you

1146
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: can asked me anything you like. And he goes, who

1147
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: do you think would win one silver back, gorilla or

1148
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: one hundred men? That's a great question. That's a great question.

1149
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: I said, it depends on the men, It depends on

1150
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: the motivation, It depends on the silver. The motivation to me,

1151
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: there's a lot, I said to early to determine here.

1152
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: If you lose, you die, So to the point where

1153
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: I was reasoning with him, and then I had it

1154
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: was drop off and so that was it. And so

1155
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: I then I thought to myself, where did he get this? Like,

1156
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: how does this come out? Well, as it turns, it

1157
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: turns out over the weekend somebody either tweeted it or

1158
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: TikTok or something that went viral, and now it's viral everywhere.

1159
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: So all I did was start one hundred. I put

1160
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: it into one hundred men, and then the rest filled

1161
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: in and then it was newsweek. Everybody on this so

1162
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: much so that there's been AI generated battles that have

1163
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: taken place.

1164
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: I know, but those AI generated battles do not appear

1165
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: that there's any type of cohesive strategy at all from

1166
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: the men. It's that's like one hundred independent actors and

1167
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: that you're not You're not gonna win with one hundred

1168
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 3: independent actors.

1169
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: No, so how are you going to plan?

1170
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: Well, so this is my plan, right. My plan is

1171
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 3: sixty people of our one hundred will be broken into

1172
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: six teams of ten with very specific responsibilities.

1173
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: Yep.

1174
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: The responsibilities are as follows. Team one, right arm team two,

1175
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 3: left arm team three, right leg team four, left leg

1176
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 3: team five. You have twenty hands yep, and one hundred fingers.

1177
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 3: Your job is to get the eyes out of the

1178
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 3: head of the gorilla. You have one singular focus. Gouge

1179
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: the eyes out. Go get his eyes. Go get his

1180
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 3: eyes yep. No matter what occurs, go get his eyes.

1181
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: I will find you. No matter what occurs, you stay alive.

1182
00:55:58,520 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: The other ten.

1183
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 3: Their job is to annihilate the most sensitive area of

1184
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: the gorilla.

1185
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 4: Now the.

1186
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: Sole focus. Now you have forty other who are free,

1187
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 3: and so those forty they fill in when somebody goes

1188
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: down in one of the other teams, because it's gonna happen.

1189
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 3: There will be casualties. And then once you're the guys

1190
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 3: on the legs are just trying to contain like, but

1191
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 3: you're just trying to get him on the ground once

1192
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 3: and then it's full dog pile and then it's free

1193
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: for all. Every just nonsense kidney kidney, kidney kidney, back

1194
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: of that back. Yeah, Now they're skulls sick. There's thick

1195
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 3: skins sick. It's gonna be very, very difficult. You are

1196
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 3: going to lose people. But if you are coordinated with it,

1197
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 3: you cannot get split up. He's split up, and he's

1198
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 3: running around one time bunks, one a time bunk. You're

1199
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: toasts your toast, donkey Kong. Yeah, you can't have that.

1200
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: I believe though, I believe that the people to me

1201
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 3: this is this is one hundred able bodied.

1202
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: All right, So you're gonna have their own men. I

1203
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: don't think. I think I gotta give you one more

1204
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: qualifier that I think you need. I don't think it

1205
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 2: can be one hundred able body grown men, because I

1206
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: think you're underestimating the cowardice of man. And I think

1207
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: that when your plan here with your sixty people, I'm

1208
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: gon gave you one qualifier that I think would make

1209
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: it work. But I think based on your plan right now,

1210
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that when it comes time to like go

1211
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: and big fella from the Congo just starts slinging people

1212
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: that people are gonna be like, nope, I'm out. So

1213
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: this is my qualifier that you need. You need Navy seals,

1214
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: you need somebody who will not ask why. One of

1215
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: the thing they do in the military for the first

1216
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: couple of weeks in basic is they eliminate your reasoning

1217
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: to say, well why would I do that? You need

1218
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: people who who you say you're on right arm, Yes, sir,

1219
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: you're on left arm, Yes sir, you're on eyeball duty. Yes, sir,

1220
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: you need those people because great, you're not AI generated humans.

1221
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: So the cowardice of man, I think would be a problem.

1222
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: So here's what I'd say.

1223
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: So that's my one.

1224
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: Here is the way that this fight goes down in

1225
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: my world. Yeah, if the gorilla does not lose, there's

1226
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: no running away, there's no being like, oh well I

1227
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: stayed out of the fight. The gorilla killed the sixty

1228
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: people who tried to fight, and I'm over here. Okay,

1229
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 3: you'll be executed. Yeah, So either the gorilla dies or

1230
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: all one hundred of you die, regardless of your participation

1231
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 3: or lack thereof.

1232
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: So that goes to environment where the fight.

1233
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 3: Is going to say, you better make sure you're in

1234
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:37,959
Speaker 3: the fight.

1235
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you are in like a steel cage and

1236
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: you can't get out until.

1237
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: This isn't an arena.

1238
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's a closed perimeter, this isn't your problem,

1239
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: motivated Roman colisseum. Only those who live can get out alive,

1240
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: that's it. Then, I think if it's only those who

1241
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: live with the gorilla going down, going down, yeah, that's

1242
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: it because any sort of like if you were on

1243
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: a football field, no chance that sucker just would lope

1244
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: around and just fling you. So I think you got

1245
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: to be kind of a closed environment.

1246
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: I think you would at a football field. You would

1247
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 3: have to you'd have to close ranks, like you'd have

1248
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 3: to make him come into you would be disciplined.

1249
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: It has to be like in the old days, like

1250
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: the Romans line and they just euro up next, next, next.

1251
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: You be very organized.

1252
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: Cardiac kid who by the way, is doing what a

1253
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 3: heater for him two months? My goodness contents he's really

1254
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: on topike will spike it for him. The guy is

1255
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: a legend. He's been doing a lot of a I

1256
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: work lately, AI scouting. He's figured out, which is incredible

1257
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 3: to me. He basically can get film in AI, and

1258
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: then the film is analyzed by AI and what it

1259
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: wants first, the fancies, offense and all.

1260
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: It's incredible.

1261
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 3: He's got a breakdowns of everybody we drafted. It's really

1262
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: remarkable that you can do this, and you wonder like.

1263
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: At some points, by the way, we should stop all

1264
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: this if we it's where the ones creating it.

1265
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 5: Well.

1266
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: The thing that worries me I hear Bill Gates over

1267
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: the weekend talking about this.

1268
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 3: Well, did you see that the like the leader in this,

1269
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: all of their safety check people have quit because they're

1270
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 3: so focused on the commercialization of it that they're not

1271
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: focused on the big problem Jurassic Park. We didn't stop

1272
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: to ask like, yeah, weird, just asked if we could.

1273
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm asking now whether or not we should. I'm asking

1274
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: this has been my big fear for forever. Come on,

1275
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 3: anbody who watched any kind of science fiction knows that

1276
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 3: this is a problematic. Well, watch a terminator anyhow? Should

1277
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: go back to what war games? When the computer's like, yeah, no,

1278
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 3: I'm good, I got it. Yeah, launching missiles yeah no nope.

1279
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: So he ran this through AI baseline assumptions. He's got

1280
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 3: all of these gorilla strength equivalent to six to ten men.

1281
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 3: It's probably fair. Like let's say you're benching two hundred punds,

1282
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: a girl get to bench twelve hundred punds.

1283
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw somebody with their strength of their their mouth,

1284
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: their jaw strength, and their raw strength was like twelve

1285
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: hundred was their sheer strength, okay, twelve pounds, and then

1286
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: their bite strength.

1287
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: Was okay, So that's six to ten dudes. Yeah, I

1288
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: can only bite one of you once. Sure, that's good news.

1289
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 3: Gorilla kill rate one man every one to two seconds. Initially,

1290
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 3: Gorilla stamina de kay after thirty to forty seconds of

1291
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 3: high activity, mild fatigue, ten percent drop human organization port

1292
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 3: first improving or temps. Not my humans. We're locked in

1293
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 3: takedown requirement twenty plus men actively grappling the girl at once. Yeah,

1294
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 3: that's how we're gonna do. We got sixty we got

1295
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 3: body parts we're looking at.

1296
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 4: So you've got to send a first wave. So this way,

1297
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 4: here's that's why I'm sending the first weave. Hey, you're

1298
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 4: gonna be honored in your death.

1299
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 2: That's it. You're going to do all the Yeah, you will.

1300
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: You're be like Mount rushmore. Yeah, you were the thirty

1301
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: who made this all possible, because thirty of them are

1302
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:54,959
Speaker 2: going down.

1303
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 3: Gorilla rushes in a phase one initial engagement, says, Grilla

1304
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 3: rushes into first attackers. Kill rate one man every one

1305
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 3: to one and a half seconds. Six to seven men

1306
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 3: down instantly are killed. During capacity phase two the shockwave

1307
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 3: ten to thirty seconds, and men realize how danger it is.

1308
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 3: Some flea others panic in mind, they're just boom. It's like,

1309
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 3: what's the what's the good Well, I can't think of it.

1310
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 3: The game show that is very very squid games. Oh

1311
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 3: squid you start running, but goodbye done, Yeah, you're done.

1312
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 3: Some of the others panic, a few braves, one brave

1313
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 3: ones attempt to keep going, which is good. Kill rate

1314
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 3: one man every two seconds. Another ten to twelve more dead.

1315
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 3: So right now we're like twenty dead, eighty guys left.

1316
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 3: Forty plus survived masks swarm. Forty plus surviving men regroup

1317
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 3: and dogpile. Some manage to grab limbs, slow the girlla

1318
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 3: down girl starts to get minor fatigue. Cash is here.

1319
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 3: Probably another eight to ten is a girl of brutally

1320
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 3: thrashes and bites before feeling fully dog piled. Now we're

1321
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 3: thirty to forty dead gorilla fully dog piled. Two minutes later,

1322
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 3: people are on the legs, arms, head. They're not even

1323
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 3: thinking about.

1324
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 2: My eye eyes really good, big.

1325
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,479
Speaker 3: Because that's you. Your strength could do that, like we could.

1326
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: You could probably get that get an eyeball out. Yeah.

1327
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 3: And then I also think the other thing we're talking about,

1328
01:02:58,600 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 3: he's not gonna be very pleased.

1329
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: I think he's I don't like that. I could really

1330
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: enrage though, Like I've seen that energy boost. They do

1331
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: that with bulls when they on the on bull riding, Like.

1332
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 3: That's a shock. Though we're talking about they'll take it.

1333
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 3: We're talking about it beating.

1334
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: One of these then, Yeah, not ideal.

1335
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 3: Says dog Piled. Twenty men plus grappling, some getting crushed,

1336
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 3: final injuries, no mass fatalities. Now probably another five or

1337
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 3: so ultimate you're gonna end up out of there, it says,

1338
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 3: thirty five. I think it's more than that. Fifty ish

1339
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 3: dead or suffocated. You're gonna get maybe fifty survivors, but

1340
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 3: man will prevail.

1341
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the key is the discipline of the men.

1342
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: That's really it. I mean, you need a bunch of Yes, sirs,

1343
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: that's what you need because normal, that's right where that

1344
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: was the one caveat to your able bodied men. Yeah,

1345
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: a lot of cowards, and I don't believe i'd be

1346
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: one of them. Yep.

1347
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 4: Like I started to see that I'm problem see you later.

1348
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not doing that.

1349
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 4: So there was there was a Tom Cruise movie I

1350
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 4: can't remember the name of it, but he gets dragged

1351
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 4: outside and there's like, there's five of us. What are

1352
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 4: you gonna do? He goes, why take down you? You're

1353
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 4: the ring leader. I'm gonna have to deal with.

1354
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 3: Two of you.

1355
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the other two are gonna see what happens

1356
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 4: and they're gonna run. So really, like this is this

1357
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 4: is what?

1358
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 2: That's what?

1359
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 5: This is?

1360
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: This on the macro level.

1361
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's why I believe fully that it is.

1362
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: Now if this isn't, here's the other thing, Like this

1363
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: has got to be a gorilla from the congo, Like

1364
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: this can't be one of these ones that are domesticated.

1365
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 2: Because you saw this at the Columbus Zoo last week

1366
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: where they had the tiger who was scared by the goose.

1367
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 2: Did you see this? No? You imagine this poor guy.

1368
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 3: Like Lucky there is in tiger Twitter. It'd be getting cool.

1369
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 2: There's tigers in there with him. They have a gorgeous

1370
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 2: tiger habitat. Yeah, and he comes kind of checking out

1371
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: a goose who's in the pen, and the goose does

1372
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: what goose do? They start hissing and flapping and the

1373
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: Tiger's like I'm out, and I'm like, oh my god,

1374
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 2: if that goes viral in the tiger community, so like

1375
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: that's the problem. But it's a domesticated tiger, so like

1376
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: you got to have for this to be real. I mean,

1377
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 2: I assume we're taking silverback from the congo.

1378
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 3: Yes, this is as legit as it gets.

1379
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you, Reacher.

1380
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 4: Was it?

1381
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: There? You go?

1382
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 4: That's it?

1383
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: There you go? All right Z We'll sit down with

1384
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,760
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Speaker 3: Very happy to be joined now by the head coach

1399
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 3: of your Cleveland Browns, two time NFL Coach of the Year,

1400
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski and coach. The weekend of the draft is long,

1401
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 3: It is intense, It is probably a roller coaster of emotions.

1402
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 3: It certainly is covering it. I would imagine in the

1403
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 3: room it is as well when you look back at

1404
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 3: this one, because I will say, for me, easily the

1405
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 3: most interesting day three I've ever been a part of

1406
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: with the Cleveland Browns. What was this weekend? Just in

1407
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 3: some like for you.

1408
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 6: It's funny.

1409
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 7: The draft room itself is not as we're not going

1410
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 7: on that roller coaster that maybe you're on, Nathan going

1411
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 7: up and down.

1412
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 6: It's much more sterile.

1413
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 7: And there's a lot of there's not a lot of

1414
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 7: conversation truly, we're kind of staring at the TV screen

1415
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 7: like a lot of our fans are as well. So

1416
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 7: I think what you're always trying to do is just

1417
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 7: stay true to your board and making sure that you're

1418
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 7: ready to adapt if things come up. There's so much

1419
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 7: that goes into prior to Draft Day's kind of like

1420
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 7: Sunday versus during the season. Like Sunday is important, don't

1421
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 7: get me wrong, but the plan that you're putting together

1422
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 7: Monday through Wednesday is really really important. It's kind of

1423
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 7: a similar deal. Once you get to draft day, it's

1424
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 7: a little bit of hurry up and wait, and you

1425
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 7: have so much time in between your picks. But Andrew

1426
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 7: and crew really have put the work in prior and

1427
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 7: then kind of stay true to your board.

1428
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 3: So this draft started with a very big trade. So

1429
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 3: you guys move from two to five. You pick up

1430
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 3: a future first, which I thought, you know, if we

1431
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 3: were gonna move down that was there, and then oh man,

1432
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 3: we get thirty six too. That was very exciting to me.

1433
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 3: What's really interesting me about it is in a world

1434
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 3: where it is increasingly difficult to keep a secret that

1435
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 3: was as well kept a secret as I think we

1436
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 3: maybe have seen in the modern NFL.

1437
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean credit to the two teams and involve

1438
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 7: you know, credits to Jacksonville for being able to do

1439
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 7: that as well.

1440
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 6: Uh, these are high stakes.

1441
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 7: These these are things that both sides are talking about

1442
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 7: and and trying to figure out what they want to do.

1443
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 7: And and Andrew and and their GM got on got

1444
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 7: on the horn. There's Andrew Andrew Berry making appearance. They

1445
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 7: got on the horn and kind of started talking and

1446
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 7: then we started, you know, bouncing it around, and we

1447
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 7: felt like it's it's a strong deal for our organization. Uh,

1448
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 7: and and they felt similarly for them. And I think

1449
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 7: that's that's the that's what you're always looking for in

1450
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 7: these deals. You want both sides to feel really good

1451
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 7: about it. Obviously, moving back to five, we knew who

1452
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,520
Speaker 7: we'd be able to land. There, knew Mason was a possibility,

1453
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 7: which makes you know that deal makes it even that

1454
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 7: much more enticing to do because you knew you were

1455
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 7: still getting a really really good player that fits who

1456
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 7: we are, fits what we need, that type of thing.

1457
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 7: So it was an interesting process and then you really

1458
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 7: get to game game day, draft day, and the word

1459
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 7: starts to slowly leak out. So word did get out,

1460
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 7: but we definitely were thinking there for a while, let's

1461
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 7: get this to to draft.

1462
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 6: So we can get this over with.

1463
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: So clearly, if you're happy with it, they're happy with it.

1464
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 3: That's how a deal gets consummated, where there are some

1465
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 3: sleepless nights being like, we really like what we're getting

1466
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 3: out of this. Let's just get to the draft though,

1467
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 3: that is official, official.

1468
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 7: Yes, I will tell you though, with that second overall pick,

1469
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 7: from my perspective, the season ends, and no one's happy

1470
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 7: about how the season goes, of course, and it you know,

1471
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 7: took a lot out of all of us. And then

1472
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 7: having that second overall pick, you wanted that pick to

1473
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 7: be able to set your future up, whether it was

1474
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 7: staying and taking a player or moving back. Both outcomes

1475
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 7: are really really good for this franchise. So we feel

1476
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 7: strong in what we're able to do, excited about the

1477
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 7: guys that were able to add, and like you mentioned,

1478
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 7: having some you know that pick moving forward can be

1479
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 7: a big deal for this franchise as well.

1480
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 3: All right, one things that I would say was a

1481
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 3: surprise is that the first three picks, three top thirty

1482
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 3: six picks were used on a defensive tackle and off

1483
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 3: ball linebacker and a running back, which would not necessarily

1484
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 3: be traditionally what you might think. But that being said,

1485
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: it felt like, and you could tell me if I'm

1486
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 3: right or wrong, an identity was you guys wanted to

1487
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 3: establish an identity, and those first three picks I think

1488
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: did that. You're talking about good, tough, physical football players.

1489
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 7: I think it certainly does signal that. I don't it

1490
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 7: wasn't going in you have to do this to signal that,

1491
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 7: but certainly, yeah.

1492
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 6: I like these guys how they're wired.

1493
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 7: You're talking about all of these guys, but in particularly

1494
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 7: these first three in terms of a defensive tackle that

1495
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 7: has some nastiness to him. He's not all warm and fuzzy.

1496
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 7: I mean, this kid plays hard, he plays physical, He

1497
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 7: gets after the quarterbacks, after the run game. I mean

1498
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,839
Speaker 7: he fits when you're talking about playing in the trenches.

1499
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 7: I mean, this kid is what you're talking about. A

1500
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 7: linebacker that can run sideline a sideline, super intelligent kid

1501
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 7: that can really impact the game in a multitude of ways.

1502
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 6: And then you know quin Shawn just is a mean,

1503
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 6: violent runner.

1504
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 7: We loved his tape, loved the kid, the makeup of

1505
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 7: the person. So certainly you talk about, yes, defensive tackle, linebacker,

1506
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 7: running back as a position. Maybe that may surprise some,

1507
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 7: but in terms of fit for culture, fit for scheme,

1508
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 7: fit for who we want to be, it's.

1509
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 2: All right there.

1510
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 3: I'd start with Mason because obviously, listen, near the fifth

1511
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 3: pick in the draft, expectations are going to be high.

1512
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 3: The scheme that he will play in here relative to

1513
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 3: what he did in Michigan. Does that lead you guys

1514
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 3: to believe we could have because you're not taking even

1515
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 3: tackle five, you can't rush the passer like that. I

1516
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 3: think that we can all be confident that. So you

1517
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 3: guys like his ability in this scheme maybe to be

1518
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 3: more impactful from a box score standpoint for people who

1519
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 3: just looks at oh three sex seven tackles for loss.

1520
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 3: But he was reading and reacting, he was catching a lot.

1521
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 3: Now he's north south end.

1522
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 2: Guess what.

1523
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 3: He's also double team to Lone College and probably won't

1524
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 3: be double team as much here.

1525
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's two things to really unpack. Obviously,

1526
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 7: the scheme. There's different ways to play this game, as

1527
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,839
Speaker 7: we all know, and different offensive schemes different defensive schemes.

1528
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 7: Their defensive scheme was more of a two gap react style,

1529
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 7: like you're talking about, where you're really shocking guards and

1530
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 7: you're shedding them and you're setting the linebackers up to

1531
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,759
Speaker 7: make plays and that type of thing. There were plenty

1532
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 7: of times also where Mason was going in more of

1533
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 7: an a tax game, So you saw on tape that

1534
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 7: he was capable of that.

1535
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 6: That wasn't hard to see. The other thing I would point.

1536
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 7: Out, and I think it happened so often in our sport,

1537
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 7: is we put such an emphasis on sacks, and I

1538
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 7: think that's the wrong thing to do when you're talking

1539
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,520
Speaker 7: about affecting the quarterback. Sacks are great, they're the result

1540
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 7: of a great pass rush a lot of times, but

1541
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 7: we want to pressure the quarterback. We want to force

1542
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 7: the quarterback off his spot. We want to force the

1543
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 7: quarterback into bad decisions. If it turns into a sack,

1544
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 7: that's tremendous. You know, Miles gets however many a year.

1545
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 7: But we're really trying to pressure the quarterback and then

1546
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 7: of course finish them with sacks. But we really look

1547
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 7: closely at pressure rate. I think pressure rate's something that

1548
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 7: can be maybe tell the story a little bit better

1549
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 7: than sacks. I was at the Vikings when we drafted

1550
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 7: Danil Hunter coming out of LSU. I don't remember what

1551
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 7: the number was, but he did not have a lot

1552
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:55,719
Speaker 7: of sacks in college.

1553
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 6: I mean that he just didn't. Now you look at him.

1554
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 7: And make quite a few in the NFL's that's a

1555
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 7: good looking defensive end. I think that guy will figure

1556
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 7: it out. He'll find a way to get the quarterback

1557
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 7: on the ground. But don't we try not to get

1558
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 7: wrapped up in that sack number.

1559
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 3: So when you have Miles Garrett, really the only place

1560
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 3: for a quarterback to go is up in the pocket.

1561
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: And so if you think about the last two drafts,

1562
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 3: the first person chosen was a defense tackle, Mike Hall

1563
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 3: a year ago, Mason Graham. Is that part of it, Like, Okay,

1564
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 3: we collapsed the pocket and we got Miles and Isaiah

1565
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 3: and you know Alex and Obo and tryan Shoyinka coming

1566
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 3: off the edge, there's nowhere to go.

1567
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's certainly part of it. You know, Miles is

1568
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 7: an elite rusher.

1569
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 6: We all know this.

1570
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 7: We've all seen offenses going to games and they chip.

1571
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 6: To his side.

1572
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 7: They slide to his side, the ball comes out quick.

1573
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 7: There are you know, you're looking for one on ones.

1574
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 7: It's harder to not impossible, but it's harder to chip.

1575
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 7: Interior pressures you can do with the running back. Aaron

1576
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 7: Donald certainly saw some of that in his career. A

1577
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 7: lot of times you'll see a slide go to an

1578
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 7: interior player. Well, if the slide's going to that player,

1579
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 7: and it's not going to Miles and Miles as we've

1580
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 7: seen him and Von Miller and these elite players, they

1581
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 7: just deal with chips their entire best rush lives. You're

1582
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 7: just trying to find those one on ones anywhere you

1583
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 7: can get them. So and a good interior rush helps

1584
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 7: the outside, a good outside rush helps the inside.

1585
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 3: Brown certainly hope to have that. A lot invested in

1586
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,480
Speaker 3: that line. Now behind them, you talked about Carson Schwestinger.

1587
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: I just think Cleveland's gonna love this kid. They're talking

1588
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 3: about zero star recruit. Walk On one year as a starter,

1589
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 3: dominates and is now the thirty third pick in the

1590
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 3: NFL draft.

1591
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty cool story. He's wired the right way.

1592
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 7: He and coach Tarbor are gonna have all sorts of

1593
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 7: conversations that are going to a way over my head.

1594
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 7: I think those two majors are I don't even want

1595
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 7: to pronounce them because I'll probably get that wrong.

1596
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 6: But very very intelligent kid.

1597
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 7: And when you're playing linebacker, you're there, You're the GPS

1598
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 7: of our car and there's a lot of information that's

1599
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 7: going on when you're in the center of it all.

1600
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 7: He can handle all that. He can make calls and

1601
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 7: then just the physical ability to run and make plays

1602
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 7: as it's just all over the tape. And we all

1603
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 7: have seen linebackers in our scheme, in schemes like ours

1604
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 7: where you attack where when you get those guys that

1605
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 7: can run sideline the sideline, they end up cleaning up

1606
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 7: a lot of what we're trying to do on defense

1607
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 7: because just going back to Mason and the interior Mike Hall,

1608
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 7: their jobs to mess all that stuff up.

1609
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 6: Our linebacker's job is.

1610
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 7: To clean it up, and we need linebackers that can

1611
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 7: run and clean stuff up.

1612
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 3: I know we all hope to see Carson next to

1613
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 3: j Okay. That would be a heck of a lot

1614
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 3: of athleticism out there. Let's talk about these running backs together.

1615
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 3: It's pick number thirty six to get Quinch on Judkins.

1616
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 3: You talked about him physical bell cow type running back,

1617
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 3: so so productive, and then later in the fourth round

1618
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 3: you get a home run hitter or the SEC offensive

1619
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 3: player the year. By the way, we drafted the SEC

1620
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 3: Offensive player of the year, the Big ten offensive player.

1621
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 3: They are the Big twelve Offensive player of the year,

1622
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 3: and the MAC Offensive player of the year in this

1623
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 3: draft sounds pretty good to me. A lot of hardware,

1624
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 3: a lot of hardware. But you talked thunder and lightning.

1625
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 3: It just feels natural. With Samson can just absolutely go

1626
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 3: hit huge runs, and Quinn John Cannon as well. But

1627
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 3: the physical and then the explosive.

1628
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, when you put it that way, it

1629
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 7: is they really complement their styles really well. We when

1630
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 7: you're in this part of the draft or any draft

1631
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 7: and putting together a room, you're looking for traits. You're

1632
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 7: looking for got not everybody's gonna have every trait. That's

1633
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 7: just not realistic. If they do, they go for number

1634
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 7: one a roll yep. But these guys have traits that

1635
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 7: we really really value. And just going back to Quinn Shaw,

1636
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 7: I mean, I think there's a lot in his body.

1637
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 7: I think he's a young man that runs like we

1638
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 7: talked about runs violent, he runs mean, he's no fun

1639
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 7: to bring down. I think there's room for him to

1640
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 7: grow in a bunch of different areas that we're gonna

1641
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 7: help him get to. And then Dylan, you said he's

1642
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 7: a home run threat. I mean he's he's smaller, but

1643
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 7: he's not little. He's he's well put together. He's a

1644
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 7: guy that we feel like can help the pass game,

1645
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 7: can help the run game. There's really no shortage. And

1646
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 7: he's a great kid. He's awesome from a makeup standpoint.

1647
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 7: He's going to make our building better.

1648
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 3: Add thrilled with that commindation, and you know, to have

1649
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 3: if they can be what you draft them to be.

1650
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 3: To the idea of having that pair together on rookie

1651
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 3: deals for four years through the twenty twenty eight season,

1652
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 3: that's a pretty appealing thing for roster construction in general.

1653
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 3: All Right, we know twelve personnel. You love to get

1654
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 3: to utilize it. Harold Fannon Junior, twenty years old. Kind

1655
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,919
Speaker 3: of profiles. I know they look differently, they move differently.

1656
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 3: But when David Djoku came out, he led all the

1657
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 3: tight ends in fbs in yards after the catch and mistackles,

1658
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 3: forced perception Harold Fannon does the exact same thing. He's

1659
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 3: so productive. Our boy Gibbet's over the moon a bgsu

1660
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 3: Alum even wore his pins so he could get to

1661
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 3: meet him that he got for playing for playing hoops there.

1662
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 3: I love this pick. I think it was one that

1663
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 3: you almost could see laser beam to us from the

1664
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 3: get go. How thrilled were you guys to get him

1665
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 3: and how do you see him fitting in?

1666
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 6: Yeah? Thrilled.

1667
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,839
Speaker 7: He's a guy very early on what was a favorite

1668
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 7: of ours as And how can you not when you

1669
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 7: watch the tape and you know you're watching bowl and

1670
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 7: Green and I love Maxtion and I love it. But

1671
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 7: when you get to see him do it versus the

1672
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 7: Penn States and Texas, A and M's of the world,

1673
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 7: that just reinforces kind of what you're seeing. I thought

1674
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 7: they did a tremendous job utilizing him. They moved him

1675
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 7: all over the formation, which you don't do that unless

1676
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 7: you have the ability to learn and can process. So

1677
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 7: that was one of the things that was so exciting

1678
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 7: about watching the tape is he wasn't lined up in

1679
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 7: just one spot. They moved him around so much. So

1680
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 7: you talked about the rack with the ball in his hand.

1681
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 7: There's really so many different things that we can do

1682
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 7: with that, you know. With Harold, we took a drive

1683
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 7: which I guess. We went West Gibbie, Okay to Bowling Green,

1684
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 7: so I was on campus, first time for me being

1685
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 7: out there and got to visit with Harold, get in

1686
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 7: the meeting room with him, put on the tape, have

1687
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 7: him talked through the tape, and then we had a

1688
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 7: lovely lunch at Frickers on a Lent Friday, so I

1689
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 7: couldn't do any meat, but it was awesome. Honestly, it

1690
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 7: was fun. We had a blast just getting to know him.

1691
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 7: And he's a young man, he's twenty twenty.

1692
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 6: So just excited to.

1693
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 7: Bring him up the road, you know, being a former

1694
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,480
Speaker 7: safety there down as a massle.

1695
01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,919
Speaker 3: In which one Katon McKinley.

1696
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 6: McKinley, like I said.

1697
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 7: So just you know, excited about the kid. But just

1698
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 7: we did a lot of work on him, so I

1699
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 7: don't think he was surprised.

1700
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 6: It was not when we slided.

1701
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 3: Him from what you like to do when you have

1702
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 3: twelve personnel and now you've got chief and fan in

1703
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 3: and fan in you to your point, he was about

1704
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 3: a third of the time in line, a third of

1705
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 3: the time and slot, and a third time out wide.

1706
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 3: So you can come in and people think, oh, two

1707
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 3: tight ends if they match in base, all of a

1708
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 3: sudden he's playing out there at the X, and how

1709
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 3: do they respond to that? That gives your quarterback inform.

1710
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 3: It just feels like this is a guy who gives

1711
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 3: you so much information and allows you to be so

1712
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 3: multiple in looks and personnel groupings to run a variety

1713
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 3: of things out of it.

1714
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 7: That's right, And that's what I think the tight end

1715
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 7: position allows you to do. Is just that versatility and

1716
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 7: even wide receivers that have versatility that can line up

1717
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 7: in different places is important to have. So he does

1718
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 7: give us that. Now he's got to go earn that role,

1719
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 7: but that's something that we feel like with putting the

1720
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 7: work in, we can get him there.

1721
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 3: All right, Let's talk about the quarterbacks, because he hadn't

1722
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 3: drift just one in this draft. You ended up drafting too.

1723
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 3: The first, of course, Dylan Gabriel. He was the Big

1724
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 3: Ten offensive player of the year. Guys started sixty three

1725
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 3: games in college most in history. Guy's throwing more touchdowns

1726
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 3: than anybody in FBS. History as well. What is it

1727
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 3: about Dylan Gabriel that you really liked?

1728
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 7: I mean there's a lot. Obviously there's a lot to

1729
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 7: look at. So you mentioned all those games. But when

1730
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 7: we were talking about this whole process of what's important

1731
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 7: when you're evaluating quarterbacks, we always talked about it's accuracy,

1732
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 7: decision making. We added toughness as well, because you better

1733
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 7: be tough playing this position, but accuracy, the ability to

1734
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 7: throw the ball where it needs to be, and then

1735
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 7: the ability to make decisions protecting the football, but not

1736
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 7: even that getting through progressions putting the ball where it

1737
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 7: needs to go. So he's somebody that stood out in

1738
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 7: that regard. And then the process. I mean, think about

1739
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 7: all the touch points that we had with this young man,

1740
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 7: whether it was bringing him in here for a thirty visit,

1741
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 7: going to Eugene to work him out, go to dinner

1742
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 7: with him and his family. Obviously at the Combine spent

1743
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 7: time with him. So there's just so many touch points

1744
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 7: where we fil really strongly about what his makeup is.

1745
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,679
Speaker 7: And then you know, you add him to this mix.

1746
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 7: Our job is to develop and I think that's the

1747
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 7: big thing with all of our players is we try

1748
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 7: to get the best version of them and recognize that

1749
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 7: they're young players.

1750
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 3: A lot was made about his height, but you watch

1751
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 3: the tape he saw him against Mason Graham, Abdul Carter,

1752
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 3: the Murderers row that you play in the Big Ten.

1753
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 3: He was the Big Ten offensive player of the year.

1754
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 3: It just felt like it never showed up for you, right.

1755
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 7: I mean, that's the point, and you're totally right there.

1756
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 7: Think about the teams that he went up against with Oregon.

1757
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 7: I mean that that's that's a tough to forget the

1758
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 7: teams that's those are tough defenses to be able to

1759
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 7: play against. Penn State, like you mentioned, I was always tough.

1760
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 7: I mean, it's a really brutal group that you're going

1761
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 7: up against. And certainly there's there's ideal height for the position.

1762
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 7: We all know that, and that's that's something that that

1763
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 7: you strive for. But at the end of the day,

1764
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 7: if you're able to be accurate at the at your height,

1765
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 7: and you're able to move in the pocket and find

1766
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 7: different arm angles that and and operate, that's what's most important.

1767
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 3: It's from talking to him, he knew he was going

1768
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 3: to be a brown. You guys loved him you got

1769
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 3: him and probably thought at that point you were done

1770
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 3: at the quarterback position. But drafts go in wild ways

1771
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 3: and probably didn't envision a scenario where you were able

1772
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 3: to do what you did in the fifth and that

1773
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 3: is move up to select Shador Sanders. Most people say

1774
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 3: first round, second round tape process didn't go well, that's clear,

1775
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 3: don't need to get into why. But what do you

1776
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 3: get in him as a quarterback? Now that he is

1777
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 3: a Cleveland Brown and quite frankly in a way that

1778
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,759
Speaker 3: nobody ever thought you'd have Shador Mason, Graham, Schweesssinger, Judkins

1779
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 3: and a future first and yet now we do well.

1780
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 7: I think the big point and like we talked about

1781
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 7: Dylan all those touch points, we had the same exact

1782
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 7: touch points with shad Or so really got to know

1783
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 7: the young man, know what he's about. I think what

1784
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 7: sometimes gets lost is, well, you pick this one player,

1785
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 7: that means you didn't like any of these other players.

1786
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 6: That's just not the case.

1787
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 7: You can you know, sometimes when you have that pick

1788
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 7: come around, you can only take one, and it kind

1789
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 7: of really goes into the running back conversation. Took Judkins

1790
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 7: didn't mean we didn't like Dylan Samson. There we like

1791
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 7: a lot about Dylan Samson. Able to add both guys

1792
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 7: to the roster. So Shador is another young man, you know,

1793
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 7: going back to what I said about Dylan accuracy and

1794
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 7: decision making, I mean, there it is, and then toughness

1795
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 7: like we all saw, you know, guys bearing down on him.

1796
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 7: Able to make throws from the pocket. So we're excited

1797
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 7: to add Schador to the mix along with Dylan. Put

1798
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 7: these guys in a position to go improve themselves, to

1799
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 7: develop them and also to compete.

1800
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 3: In terms of the quarterback position. This offseason, You've traded

1801
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 3: for Kenny Pickett, you know, fifth round pick, after you

1802
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 3: net that out, what you got with Houston before the draft,

1803
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 3: you signed Joe Flacco. Now you've got Gabriel, Now you've

1804
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 3: got your door. But you got three young guys, you know,

1805
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 3: three real bites at the apple to try to get

1806
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 3: the position right that we've been trying to get right

1807
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 3: for quite some time. I'm sure you're excited about it,

1808
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 3: but what does that kind of look like as you

1809
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 3: try to go through and make this work for the

1810
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns.

1811
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the big thing for us is these

1812
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 7: opportunities to add these guys. I think Andrew and crew

1813
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 7: are always looking for where you may be able to

1814
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 7: add a guy. Whether it's like you mentioned, free agency,

1815
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 7: a trade the draft, or a trade in the draft.

1816
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 7: There's always opportunities. And we feel strong about all of

1817
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 7: these young men and it's our job to get the

1818
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 7: best out of them. These are none of these guys

1819
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 7: are finished products when you talk about them, So we're

1820
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 7: looking to develop these young men and then find, you know,

1821
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 7: the right mix to help go lead this football team

1822
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 7: on Sundays.

1823
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 3: Developing is so key, and especially when you have guys

1824
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 3: that have very good traits that fit the three things

1825
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 3: that you want, but maybe there's something else that needs

1826
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 3: to be coached up or whatever it may be. You've

1827
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 3: got yourself. Now, you've got Tommy Reese who was OC

1828
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 3: at Alabama, played quarterback himself in college not that long ago,

1829
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 3: very young man. And then you have the venerable Bill

1830
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 3: musk Grave. Do you feel like you guys have put

1831
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 3: together with that kind of three that trio a good

1832
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 3: quarterback incubator? Was that and was that part of how

1833
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 3: this came to be?

1834
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 6: Certainly?

1835
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's it's the most important. With all

1836
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 7: due respect to all the other position meeting rooms, that's

1837
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 7: an important room. So having everybody in there really pull

1838
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 7: it together, speak the same language, support each other. You know,

1839
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 7: you mentioned our coaches. I think Tommy's you know, obviously

1840
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 7: doesn't have the ex experience quote unquote in years, but

1841
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 7: I think the years that he does have, the experience

1842
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 7: that he does have is outstanding, just in thinking of

1843
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 7: what he's been doing as a player, as a coach,

1844
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 7: as a position coach, as a coordinator, calm plays in

1845
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 7: some big time moments.

1846
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 6: And then talk about Bill.

1847
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 7: You know, a guy who played this game for a

1848
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 7: long time as a backup has won super Bowls. Then

1849
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 7: being a quarterbacks coach, being a backup quarterback, there's something

1850
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 7: there about always being ready and preparing, and I think

1851
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 7: quarterbacks ultimately make great coaches and you can look around

1852
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 7: the league at guys that are doing that. So having

1853
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 7: a guy in there with the experience that Bill has

1854
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 7: is a really nice compliment to Tommy and really fits

1855
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 7: really well in that room.

1856
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 3: In total, coach, we appreciate time. We'll get you out

1857
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 3: of here on this one. You think about your tenor

1858
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 3: twenty twenty COVID twenty twenty one still into COVID twenty two,

1859
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 3: no first round pick twenty three, no first round pick

1860
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 3: twenty four, no first round pick twenty five. This is

1861
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 3: going to be the most interesting rookie mini camp from

1862
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 3: our fans standpoint in many a year since you have

1863
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 3: been here. For those who are going to be paying

1864
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 3: attention and hanging on to every clip that they get

1865
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 3: to see and reading into everything because it's going to happen.

1866
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 3: It's the National Football League and too the guys happened

1867
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 3: to be quarterbacks. What are you hoping to get from

1868
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 3: these young guys and what's something that you know somebody

1869
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 3: can think about in the back of their mind. Hey,

1870
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 3: if we see this, this is a good sign here.

1871
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's really the first time we get

1872
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 7: our arms around our players. We're not allowed to talk

1873
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 7: to them right now in terms of football. You can

1874
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 7: have a conversation, but you're not you know, it's a

1875
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 7: dead period. So it's really our first opportunity to get

1876
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 7: down to brass tacks and let's talk football and let's

1877
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,560
Speaker 7: install and then let's get on the grass. So I

1878
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 7: wouldn't overreact to anything that happens good or bad over

1879
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 7: the course of.

1880
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 6: Three days good luck with that meant yeah, no doubt.

1881
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 7: But I will say this, it's our opportunity to you know,

1882
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 7: quote unquote onboard our guys into our program. Here's how

1883
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 7: we meet, Here's how we practice, Here's how we are

1884
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 7: in the weight room. Here are things that are really

1885
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 7: important to us. Here's our identity. Those are the type

1886
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 7: of things as important as the individual drills are and

1887
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 7: the meetings. I want them to start to feel a

1888
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 7: part of this program and start to understand what it

1889
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 7: means to be a Cleveland Brown or.

1890
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 3: We are thrilled to be a part of your program

1891
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 3: and that you are running it here Brown's head coach,

1892
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 3: Kevin's the fancy, Thanks so much for the time, and

1893
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:23,520
Speaker 3: let's go, baby.

1894
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 6: Let's do it all right.

1895
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,800
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1908
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 3: Pedro says, what Pedro's pleased about that? And he likes

1909
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 3: George Kitty wants him stay away from the wrestling ring.

1910
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 3: He's like, just you and George Kittle both he'd stay

1911
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 3: away from wrestling.

1912
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 2: No, why did he? Why would he say you because

1913
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 2: with all your glory, I know, but that's why you're

1914
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 2: gonna be called back, can be called back to action

1915
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 2: this summer.

1916
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:37,679
Speaker 3: No, no, that's not no spoiler. No, I don't believe,

1917
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 3: so never say never. The laura of it, the laura

1918
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 3: of it is pretty.

1919
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: You've gotten a taste.

1920
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: I'm a good and I'm in I think I'm in

1921
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 3: better shape than I was a year ago. He also,

1922
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 3: I'm not training in the ring at all.

1923
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: Give a you heard that?

1924
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 2: You heard that as I did.

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01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,560
Speaker 4: Yep, you heard that?

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01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 2: Is it you in the seven footer? This time?

1927
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 3: I would just be like if I go in there though,

1928
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 3: and just do to do some stupid either pop my

1929
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 3: kids would be So.

1930
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 4: I just want to see you tossed around a little bit.

1931
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 2: I've done that. It's fun.

1932
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 3: If I'm doing anything now, it's just who's that.

1933
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 2: Guy who was the seventh footer? Who that guy?

1934
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 3: You can be on my side? Double J would be

1935
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 3: on my side in a second.

1936
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we'll team up. See if you could team up.

1937
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be fine.

1938
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 2: Let's save the Brandon Bean thing. Let's let's save that

1939
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 2: for tomorrow because that's brand and we can expand upon that.

1940
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 3: That was intense.

1941
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 2: So, uh, Calves were up. We got back from lacrosse

1942
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 2: last night. We put it on and they were the

1943
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 2: boys are like dead, They're up forty. I said, wait

1944
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 2: a second, this start at seven. What do you mean

1945
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 2: they're up forty. They're like, oh no, yeah, I can't

1946
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 2: watch it. I got it.

1947
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 4: I got in the fifteen after the pre draft review

1948
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 4: show last night and it was they were getting ready

1949
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 4: to go to hat. They were midway through the second

1950
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 4: quarter and it was thirty one.

1951
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 3: Ernie was disgusted at half. He's like, this is the

1952
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,600
Speaker 3: worst game I've ever watched, and then Charles Barknasid I

1953
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 3: never liked he used. There's two words he doesn't like

1954
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 3: to use. Don't like you just quit and well I

1955
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 3: forget what the other one was, but he goes, this

1956
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 3: is this.

1957
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 2: Is quitting, This is that, this is quit. Pretty wild. Yeah,

1958
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 2: a lot going on down there in Miami.

1959
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 4: They were it was in the blank of an eye.

1960
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that when I saw it and the

1961
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 2: boys were watching, I think it was sixty three to twenty.

1962
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 3: And it got worse from there. Yeah, not better.

1963
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 2: Well at that point, what's the point, Like Mitchell.

1964
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 3: Schwartz, I I saw a tweet from Mitchell Schwartz that said,

1965
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 3: like he took live bet the heat plus fifty and

1966
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 3: a half when the Cavs pulled basically everybody who prays

1967
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:38,480
Speaker 3: and he's like, and instill.

1968
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 2: Still didn't cover no every single second because heat culture

1969
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 2: sucks it. I think it does a little bit.

1970
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 4: I think I gotta ask. Yeah, like maybway through the

1971
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 4: fourth quarter, they're still fans. What there were there options

1972
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 4: on the South Beach for tip? There was on Monday night.

1973
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 4: Nobody was at that game.

1974
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 2: Not a tip.

1975
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 3: You could have said anywhere you wanted in that building.

1976
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 2: A good weekend though, like seven and a half million

1977
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 2: for the first round so far on ESPNS. They had

1978
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 2: a good ratings weekend. The draft did really well, like

1979
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 2: thirteen and a half, seven and a half, then five

1980
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 2: and a half on Saturday, so everybody, it was a

1981
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 2: good sports weekend. I think the weather contributed. Wasn't a

1982
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 2: great weekend weatherwise in our part of the countries. Yeah,

1983
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 2: but so good numbers there, all right, There you go, kids.

1984
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 2: The hoff is going to join us tomorrow. You have that,

1985
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 2: which that's going to be very very fun. We'll talk

1986
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 2: about cured meats among other things. The next level is

1987
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,759
Speaker 2: we'll ask him about the hundred men thing, one hundred hoffs.

1988
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 2: I like those odds. The next level is next haf plea,

1989
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: The Browns Daily, eight fifty esp Cleland.

1990
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 1: You've been listening to Cleveland Browns Daily, a production of

1991
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:40,839
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and eight to fifty ESPN Cleveland