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Speaker 1: Hello, Texans. Hope everyone's having a great day and we'll

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Speaker 1: have a wonderful holiday weekend. Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: Segment two. John Harris and I talk about the Running Game.

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Speaker 1: Segment three. Dan Leberfeld from Serious Sex Them NFL Radio.

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Speaker 1: But right now, Jalen Petree, Johnny and I visited with

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Speaker 1: him at a Texans event. It's always such a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to visit with the pride of Stafford, which I drive

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Speaker 1: through every day on my way home to Sugarland. Jalen Petrie,

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Speaker 1: how's it going, Jalen.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm blessed happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: Jalen, your off season got a little shorter this year

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Speaker 3: than it's been than the first season because you've played

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Speaker 3: another couple of weeks off season.

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Speaker 4: Is what's it been like for you to get away?

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously this is home for.

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Speaker 3: You, so it's kind of you know, it's not like

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Speaker 3: we were talking Nico a little early. He was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I went back to Alabama. I went back home for

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Speaker 3: a little bit, then it came here. What's kind of

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Speaker 4: Been like for you?

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Speaker 5: Off season been fun, you know, I've been able to

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Speaker 5: spend a lot of time with my family, which is

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Speaker 5: a lot harder during the season, you know, during the week,

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Speaker 5: but uh, spent it time family, took a couple of trips.

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Speaker 2: Just been enjoying this time off.

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Speaker 5: I'm ready to get back, though, can't stop thinking about football,

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Speaker 5: can't stop watching football. Like it's time to get back.

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Speaker 5: But I definitely enjoyed the break that I had.

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Speaker 1: What is it like to observe free agency now that

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Speaker 1: you've been in the league for a while and you

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Speaker 1: see who the Texans are picking up, maybe who other

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Speaker 1: teams are picking up as well, you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys around the league.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's real cool, you know, to see the

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Speaker 5: new additions, see guys that's been on our team be

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Speaker 5: able to get paid and be able to you know,

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Speaker 5: beat their family in a different type of way and

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Speaker 5: have generational wealth.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's always good to see that.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's exciting understand that you are in the

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Speaker 5: NFL and that you are playing against these great guys

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Speaker 5: that's gonna be on different teams.

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Speaker 2: So it's been fun.

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Speaker 5: Like I was telling people the other day, it's probably

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Speaker 5: the most my most exciting pre agency because I kind

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Speaker 5: of understand it on a deeper level and I'm you know,

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Speaker 2: So I've been enjoying it and it's been real cool.

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Speaker 4: Jalen winning a playoff game.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, twenty two not the season anybody wanted to have

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Speaker 3: with the Texans, And why could I could talk about

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Speaker 3: twenty and twenty one when you were still a Baylor

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Speaker 3: But getting to the playoffs in and of itself, beating

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Speaker 3: the Colts that night, to know you're in the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: what was that feeling like for you?

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Speaker 4: Especially in Houston kids, I'll.

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Speaker 5: Admit the world of me because you know, all the

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Speaker 5: work and all the trials and tripulations that we went

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Speaker 5: through the year before was kind of paying off in

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Speaker 5: are able to, you know, do certain things and get

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Speaker 2: So you know, it was fun and.

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Speaker 5: Like I celebrated so much in that locker room when

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Speaker 2: I was celebrating, like right.

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Speaker 5: When we got the on side kick, and then after

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Speaker 5: the Cleveland game, I've never been nrg with it that turn, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I was so happy the whole game, having a good time,

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Speaker 5: seeing Christian and Steve get those interceptions, like, I was

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Speaker 2: So you know, I just want to continue to do

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Speaker 2: that and more.

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Speaker 3: You know who was also at that game in the building,

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Speaker 3: your new teammate, Daniel Hunter. He was He was in

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Speaker 3: the building that afternoon watching, just got ticket, went over

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Speaker 3: I think this is where I want to be. This

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Speaker 4: He was like, that was a big reason that he

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Speaker 5: That's tough man, you know, hometown kid. You I'm not

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Speaker 5: even gonna say hometown kid. That's a grown man coming

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Speaker 5: off the edge. You know, I'm glad that he's on

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Speaker 2: He had dog for sure, jelling Petrie with us.

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Speaker 1: What is the off season like as far as how

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Speaker 1: much time you take off when you get back to

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Speaker 1: working out. What level of working out do you do

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Speaker 4: How does that work?

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Speaker 6: Yelling?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So my whole thing is in the past, has

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Speaker 5: been these last two years. Right when a super is over,

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Speaker 5: I'm back working out, so back doing things back making

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Speaker 2: So however many weeks is that. Hopefully in the future.

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Speaker 5: I can change that, and you know, I'm playing in

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Speaker 5: the Super Bowl and I could adjust that. But that's

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Speaker 5: I think it was like three weeks that we got

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Speaker 3: How much do you want to avoid Lad and tell

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Speaker 3: him all the things you've been eating in that break.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna try to keep that to myself, Ladd, and

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Speaker 5: now probably don't want to hear the things that I

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Speaker 5: was eating those three weeks and the door dash orders

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Speaker 5: I'm getting ready for OTAs and in fall camp for sure.

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Speaker 1: What is it like for you because we see he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But you're a Houston guy, yep, so you're you get

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Speaker 1: to follow the Astros who are starting up here, suiting up.

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Speaker 1: They're in spring training right now. The Rockets. You enjoy

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Speaker 1: all that, Oh, I enjoy so much.

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Speaker 5: you know, being able to watch those guys do such

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Speaker 5: good to go to a Rocks game because it brings

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Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm playing on a similar role as them.

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's crazy to just put those.

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Speaker 5: Things things into perspective, but you know, I'm grateful for

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Speaker 5: Astros for sure. Ready for the season to start. Astros, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: no doubt, Jalen. You get to the division round of

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Speaker 5: playoffs this year. I think a lot of people naturally

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Speaker 3: Obviously those are massive goals, but how do you get

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Speaker 4: Starting this year?

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Speaker 2: I think it's just about doing more. Last year, you know,

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Speaker 5: We put in more work, we executed better, we made

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Speaker 5: it led to more playoff wins. So you know, it's

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Speaker 5: just all about finding ways to improve and fix the

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Speaker 5: build on the things that you did do well and.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, continue to do more in the good aspects.

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Speaker 5: So that's what we're trying to do as a team

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that strikes me about that is it's

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Speaker 1: one game of the time thing does apply, sure, especially

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Speaker 1: Hey OTAs have a good Ota day, right, sure?

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Speaker 4: Stack them?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, Like, if you look too far ahead, you're

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Speaker 5: and do that from time to time. But it's all

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Speaker 5: about your teammates and you know the other leaders that.

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Speaker 2: You have around you to help you out.

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Speaker 5: So it's all about the next day, like you said,

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Speaker 5: the next play, just improving and getting better and fixing

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Speaker 1: I got one more for you. You're an intelligent guy

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Speaker 1: and you're starting your third NFL season, which it feels

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Speaker 1: like you've been here a lot longer than that, but

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Speaker 1: you're not that much removed from your college days. So

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Speaker 1: fix college football form. It's kind of a mess right now.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to figure out with the portal, everybody going crazy,

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Speaker 1: it's constant free agency.

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Speaker 6: It's nuts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different.

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Speaker 5: I would say that it's it's it's more similar to

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Speaker 2: But I think it will continue to evolve.

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Speaker 5: I think that it'll be more guidelines and restrictions put on,

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Speaker 5: you know, the whole nil deal, And I definitely think

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Speaker 5: that the players do deserve money, but I think.

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Speaker 2: There is probably a better way to go about it

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Speaker 5: It more of a amateur style of play and make

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Speaker 5: it more college feel and not turn it into something

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Speaker 4: All right, Jeral, thanks a lot for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Good luck, you appreciate y'all. You have a good one.

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Speaker 1: There's Jail and Petree. Now that's a quick first segment,

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Speaker 1: but we'll stretch it out next talking about the running game,

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Speaker 1: and Dan Leberfeld from Sirius XMNFL Radio joins us. It's

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Speaker 1: all happening here on Texans Radio. Back into the program

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Speaker 1: here on a Friday, Good Friday, Johnny. I was just

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Speaker 1: giving people grief last night in our industry for saying

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Speaker 1: on a Friday and a Wednesday. I do it all

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Speaker 1: the time too. I was giving all of us grief collectively,

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Speaker 1: because we need to tell people what day it is,

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Speaker 1: just to remind them in case they forgot, like what

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Speaker 1: day it is, you know, early days of radio, early

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Speaker 1: days or not that long ago. Time and temperature all

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Speaker 1: the time, what time is it? And you had to

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Speaker 1: give the time. It's eight fifty two, eight minutes to nine.

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Speaker 1: You had to give it in two different ways because

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Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just the way we did it.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing, my friend, I'm doing well, thankfully.

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Speaker 3: I got in a little bit later. But you know,

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Speaker 3: Seano is pretty much ran the show when I started

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Speaker 3: with Sean, so if he wanted to give the temperature,

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Speaker 1: And this is why people tune into Texans Radio. Kidding, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've got a number of things. It's a Friday grab

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into this. I set you a video.

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Speaker 1: I forget who tweeted this, but they tweeted Damian Pierce

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have some places where he gets stuffed for

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Speaker 6: And I'm thinking, why can't he.

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Speaker 1: Be awesome again, or at least good again, productive again.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a different system. They've got to figure

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Speaker 7: This is my This is my theory. Just it's my theory,

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Speaker 3: I've thought that same question through a lot of times,

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Speaker 7: And there were a lot of those.

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Speaker 3: You know, kind of gap scheme runs that he you know,

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Speaker 7: And I was asked this question.

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Speaker 3: Then he got dinged up, and then you stepped it

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Speaker 7: Dang it, he's doing it, you know, better than I was.

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Speaker 7: Well ran like a mad man ninety eight yards down

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Speaker 3: Now you know how fast you have to hit it?

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Speaker 3: One two three boom, bang it, bend it, bounce it.

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Speaker 3: You can't buzz the feet. It's got to be three

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Speaker 3: To lose in twenty twenty four. I got nothing to lose.

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Speaker 3: They don't believe in me, you know, I mean even

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Speaker 3: And if that that's the case, man, that's a found

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Speaker 7: You're probably like, holy cow, you get that Damian Pierce back.

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Speaker 7: My gosh. You know what a combination it can be.

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Speaker 3: But I do think there was a combination of a

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Speaker 1: It well, Joe Mix, It'll get the starters reps, no

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Speaker 1: Another thing I wanted to run by you in this

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Speaker 1: In twenty ten, twenty eight percent of all offensive snaps

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Speaker 1: I know that a lot of the quarterback styles are

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight percent to sixty percent shotgun stats in a

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Speaker 3: enough of his games to have known they ran everything

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Speaker 3: at shotgun. Everything was in shotgun, And I know there

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Speaker 3: were times when Deshaun was a quarterback here where they

443
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Speaker 3: the offense would want him under center and he would

444
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Speaker 3: just go in the shotgun because he felt that much

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Speaker 3: more comfortable in the shotgun. So you're getting and this

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Speaker 3: Drew and I had this conversation the other day as

447
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Speaker 3: you were talking about defensive lignement. You've got to take

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Speaker 3: what the colleges give you, right, right, So if the

449
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Speaker 3: colleges are providing you a bunch of tw hundred and

450
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Speaker 3: ninety five to three hundred pound defensive tackles, well that's

451
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Speaker 3: what you're gonna get, and you've got to adapt accordingly. Well,

452
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Speaker 3: you're getting all these quarterbacks that are coming from from

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Speaker 3: high school, never having taken a snap under center. You

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Speaker 3: get to college, never having taken a snap under center,

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you want them to take

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Speaker 3: snaps under center. I mean, talk about learning your left

457
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Speaker 3: from your right, you know. I mean, it's it's it's

458
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Speaker 3: really that different, really different. The footwork is you just

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Speaker 3: if you've never done it. Think about never doing something

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Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, have to do that

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Speaker 3: something for the first time ever in a high pressure environment.

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Speaker 7: It's like our world. Been on radio.

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Speaker 3: We've been on radio, been on radio, been on radio, okay,

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Speaker 3: John go do Weather on TV?

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Speaker 7: Okay, where do I look?

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Speaker 4: What do I do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, what would you do, you'd figure it out, right, Yeah,

468
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Speaker 3: you figure it out.

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Speaker 7: And that's what the really good quarterbacks end up doing.

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Speaker 3: They figure it out, They figure out when they should

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Speaker 3: be under centered, they get that footwork, they work on it.

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of individual quarterback coaches work with

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's the first thing they work with quarterbacks on.

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Speaker 7: Get comfortable under center. Show you can get comfortable under center.

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Speaker 3: Taylor Williams pro day, what do they want him to do?

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Speaker 3: He won under center for a good number of snaps

477
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Speaker 3: to show the NFL, Hey he can do it. He

478
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Speaker 3: can do it under center, and he'll learn to get

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Speaker 3: better doing it under center. So it's not surprising because

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Speaker 3: you know, look, coaches got what three to five years

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Speaker 3: and if at some point as a coach, you keep

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Speaker 3: being your head in the wall, like man when he's

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Speaker 3: under center, he's terrible.

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Speaker 7: Hey off, it's a coordinator. Can we just keep him

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Speaker 7: in a shotgun where he's comfortable. We gotta win some

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Speaker 7: games to here, So you think I think that ends

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Speaker 7: up happening.

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Speaker 1: It's the college influence, not just because oh it might

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Speaker 1: be more effective, but it's because that's what the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: buy and large or so many of them are comfortable

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Speaker 1: with and that's a reason why they evolve.

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Speaker 7: I think I think it's both things.

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Speaker 3: I think, number one, the quarterbacks are that much more comfortable,

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Speaker 3: and so the coaches are then challenged. Okay, because I

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Speaker 3: found this myself many many, many years ago, because I

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Speaker 3: had a quarterback that I'd like to be in a shotgun.

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Speaker 7: Our offensive line.

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Speaker 3: Was very good at the time, and he didn't feel

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Speaker 3: comfortable behind him, so on a pass he wanted to

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Speaker 3: be in the shotgun. And so I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 3: I gotta have something else. If they know when I'm

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Speaker 3: in a shotgun. This is in year two thousand, so

503
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Speaker 3: it's many years ago. But still, if they know we're

504
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Speaker 3: in a shotgun and they know we're throwing it, well

505
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Speaker 3: we're hosed, right. So we got to come up with

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Speaker 3: something that we can run out of the shotgun. And

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Speaker 3: so we're okay, can we take our bass plays and

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Speaker 3: turn them into plays out of shotgun?

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Speaker 7: And I was like, all right, let's try this first time.

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Speaker 7: We did it.

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Speaker 3: First time we went shotgun and ran the ball by

512
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Speaker 3: running back went fifty five yards for a touchdown because

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Speaker 3: they saw some shotgun and my backers were backing up.

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Speaker 3: So what's happened is, Okay, I want my quarterback to

515
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Speaker 3: be comfortable. He likes being in shotgun, so let's not

516
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Speaker 3: take that away from him. But let's see if we

517
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Speaker 3: can evolve our offense such that when they know weren't shotgun,

518
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Speaker 3: there is the threat of a run, there is the

519
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Speaker 3: threat of a pass, there's a thread of a.

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Speaker 7: Run in a pass on the same play.

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Speaker 3: And so from that, RPOs were invented, other ways to

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Speaker 3: run the ball. The pistol was invented kind of a

523
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Speaker 3: shorter shotgun so that you could have run as part

524
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Speaker 3: of it, and so those things started involving. NFL people

525
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Speaker 3: aren't stupid. They look at it and go, hey, wait,

526
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Speaker 3: I think we could do that too, So then they

527
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Speaker 3: start doing it, and so things keep evolving, evolving that

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Speaker 3: there's more that you can do out a shotgun. Now,

529
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Speaker 3: there are some things that coaches want their players to

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Speaker 3: do under center.

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Speaker 7: You know, we see CJ do it.

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Speaker 3: You know, the boots, the keepers and those kind of things,

533
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Speaker 3: and they're highly effective. So in some sense, if you

534
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Speaker 3: have a quarterback that could do both, man you're gonna

535
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Speaker 3: be that they're gonna be that much better off and

536
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Speaker 3: it's gonna help you all around. But I'm not surprised

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Speaker 3: that that number is gonna, I think continue to go

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Speaker 3: higher too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just amazed me that in less than a

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Speaker 1: decade and a half, it's more than doubled the shotgun

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Speaker 1: snaps in the league average. All Right, we got a

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Speaker 1: minute left here. You know, I wanted to go here

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Speaker 1: Christmas Wednesday games and what that means for game week.

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Speaker 6: But one quick note here.

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Speaker 1: I know coaches will love that MAXI Mini by after Christmas.

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Speaker 1: If you happen to play on Christmas, it's not like

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Speaker 1: the regular Thursday night gave you get an extra day.

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Speaker 6: That'd be cool that time of year.

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Speaker 1: However, the team's playing on Wednesday, Christmas Day will have

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Speaker 1: played on Saturday, which is already a short week. Right,

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Speaker 1: You already have a shortened week by a day, and

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Speaker 1: then you go into a super short week, which is

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Speaker 1: your typical Sunday Thursday meeting Saturday Wednesday, and you're playing

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Speaker 1: on Christmas Day. And that's gotta be a factor as

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Speaker 1: well that time of year. And I know there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of talk about that when we get there.

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear a lot at the NFL meetings. But

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Speaker 1: you know I was thinking about that right away.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And you know my other thought was, well, maybe you

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Speaker 3: play those teams on Thursday night. But I'm like, wait

562
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Speaker 3: a second, you can only have one game on Thursday night.

563
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Speaker 3: So it's it's gonna be tricky. I mean, you're gonna

564
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Speaker 3: have to play those teams on Saturday, the weekend before,

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Speaker 3: and then let them play them on Wednesday, or they're

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Speaker 3: gonna have to have their bye week such that they

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Speaker 3: play on that Wednesday.

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Speaker 7: And that's that almost gives them an advantage too. But

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Speaker 7: it's a late bye.

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Speaker 3: It's a really really late bye because I think the

571
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Speaker 3: late bye was week fourteen. Well this would be like

572
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Speaker 3: week fifteen or sixteen. So they're gonna have their hands

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Speaker 3: full of trying to figure that out. So Blake Jones

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Speaker 3: and the guys over there are gonna have a hard

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Speaker 3: time figuring that out. My guests would be just give

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Speaker 3: them a bye before it, because then they'll get the

577
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Speaker 3: buye before it, the play on Christmas, then they'll have

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Speaker 3: the Maxi buy and then they'll play the following Saturday

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Speaker 3: or Sunday.

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Speaker 6: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: It'll be fun and you never know, maybe the Texans

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Speaker 1: are involved. We'll find out soon enough. Thank you, Johnny.

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Speaker 1: Coming up Dan Leberfeld from Serious x VNFL Radio, among

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Speaker 1: other things, to talk about the league, a visit from

585
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Speaker 1: the annual meeting that you're gonna want to hear. It's

586
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Speaker 1: coming up on Texans All Access. Let's get right back

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Speaker 1: to it here on Texans Radio with a good conversation

588
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Speaker 1: with Dan Lebberfield, who you hear Saturday mornings on Serious

589
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Speaker 1: XM NFL Radio with Vic Carucci. They do a great show.

590
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Speaker 1: He also hosts a platform called Jets Confidential. So Dan

591
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Speaker 1: plenty on the Jets, plenty on the NFL, and he

592
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Speaker 1: and I both have a UMass tie. I was the

593
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Speaker 1: voice of the mid the Men he went there, so

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Speaker 1: that might come up in the conversation as well. Dan,

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to see you. How's to go with

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Speaker 1: my friend?

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Speaker 8: I'm doing well. Always great to be on Texas Radio

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Speaker 8: with my man Vandy.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's talk. We'll talk about all the.

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Speaker 1: Old days in a few moments here, but let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the Jets. Because you have Serious XMNFL Radio and

602
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Speaker 1: Jets Confidential. I want to zoom in on the Jets.

603
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Speaker 1: The Texans are going back to the Meadowlands this year.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't a very pleasant visit last year, but this year's Jets,

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Speaker 1: what are the expectations Aaron Rodgers comes back. We hope,

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Speaker 1: I guess you hope. How is all that going to

607
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Speaker 1: go down? What do you think of some of their

608
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Speaker 1: offseason moves?

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Speaker 8: Well, it's again with any of these moves, Like Daniel

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Speaker 8: Hunter with the Texans. He had a healthy year last year,

611
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Speaker 8: but a couple of years ago he had some neck things.

612
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Speaker 8: So you just keep your fingers cross these teams. But

613
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Speaker 8: you know there's one hundred percent injury rate, so everybody

614
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Speaker 8: has something wrong with them. So to criticize certain players

615
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Speaker 8: for certain injuries, you know, if you asked any player,

616
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Speaker 8: everybody's got something going on. So on paper, it certainly

617
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Speaker 8: looks good. But Aaron Rodgers is what it's all about,

618
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Speaker 8: because if you don't have a quarterback in this league

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Speaker 8: where you're going and he had a good camp last summer,

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Speaker 8: he looked like vintage Aaron Rodgers, and then four plays

621
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Speaker 8: in offensively he tears the achilles, but he did look

622
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Speaker 8: like he still had it, so if he could pick

623
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Speaker 8: up from there, and you know, the Achilles surgery, he

624
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 8: used to end careers twenty five years ago. Now guys

625
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Speaker 8: bounce back pretty strong. And he's not a runner anyway,

626
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Speaker 8: so that he does run a little bit, creating time,

627
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Speaker 8: running bootlegs and creating extra that's the thing to keep

628
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Speaker 8: an eye on. Whether he can still do that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because he could move very well. You're right.

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Speaker 1: The article in The Athletic came out, Robert Sala. What

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Speaker 1: is the fallout from that? If anything? Do you think

632
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Speaker 1: they've moved past it? What do you think?

633
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 8: I think you know Diana Rossini who wrote the article

635
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Speaker 8: with Zach Rosenblatt, they took a lot of heat from

636
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Speaker 8: Jet fans on social media and she said, you know,

637
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Speaker 8: what do you want from me? They need to clean

638
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Speaker 8: up their culture. So that's the biggest thing. We hear

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00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 8: that buzzword all the time. Culture and teams think they

640
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Speaker 8: have a good culture. You've seen different Texans cultures. Last year,

641
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Speaker 8: you know, was obviously a good one. Other years maybe

642
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 8: not so much. So people say it a lot, but

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Speaker 8: how many people actually execute it. So the Jets need

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Speaker 8: to improve their culture, and I think Diana Rassini did

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Speaker 8: them a favor as far as you know what We

646
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Speaker 8: got to tighten things up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Do you think winning creates the culture or culture

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Speaker 1: creates the winning.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, you look at some of the great

650
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Speaker 8: culture builders in history. I think guys go in the building,

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Speaker 8: you know Nick Saban wherever he went on the college level,

652
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Speaker 8: not so much with the Dolphins, but some guys win

653
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Speaker 8: wherever they go. Yeah, you know pat Riley in the NBA.

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Speaker 8: It's because they understand what good culture really looks like.

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Speaker 8: And pat Riley wrote that book. You know, you got

656
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Speaker 8: to stay away from the disease of me is one

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Speaker 8: of the things he talked about in that book. So

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Speaker 8: that's a big part of culture. But with social media,

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Speaker 8: it's harder and harder to stave off the disease of me.

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Speaker 8: So I think winning helps culture, but I think culture

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Speaker 8: can help. You can go eleven ins and what's the

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Speaker 8: eleven and six now or whatever with talent, but can

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Speaker 8: you win a championship without a good culture. Look at

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Speaker 8: the two teams in the Super Bowl this year, Kansas

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Speaker 8: City under Andy Reid and San Francisco into Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 8: Two really good cultures.

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Speaker 1: Interesting Dan Leberfeld Jets Confidential and Serious x MNFL Radio

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Speaker 1: AFC East the Patriots. Does it kind of blow your

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Speaker 1: mind that were past the Belichick era. We've gotten over

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Speaker 1: the Tom Brady thing a while ago and it's been

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Speaker 1: a few years. But now Belichick, God, how hard is

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Speaker 1: it for you to adjust to that mindset of not

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Speaker 1: having him up there?

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Speaker 4: It just seems so strange.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, with the Jets, it was that streak

676
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Speaker 8: for how many years the Jets didn't win a game,

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Speaker 8: So I wasn't covering a lot of winning locker rooms

678
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Speaker 8: through that stretch. But I you know, I like excellence.

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Speaker 8: I like I would go to his press conferences after

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Speaker 8: the game instead of the Jets coach sometimes just to

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Speaker 8: experience it. Then again, a lot of times I could

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Speaker 8: do both because the Jets coach comes in right after.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if you know this, but Belichick takes forever.

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Speaker 8: He takes forever. I know that, like like literally an

685
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Speaker 8: hour after the gamee So I could do both. Prescott

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Speaker 8: comes out because it makes them, you know, he's not

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Speaker 8: the most cooperative meeting. He made them wait forever.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 8: It's funny. Speaking of Belichick, I remember a league meeting

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Speaker 8: one year, and he always hated the coaches break, which

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Speaker 8: we attended this morning. He'd always get there late. Remember

692
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Speaker 8: the year already pushed all the microphones out of the way.

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Speaker 8: But one year he had all these assistant coaches with

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Speaker 8: other teams coaching. You know, Josh McDaniels was somewhere and

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Speaker 8: Mike Rabel was somewhere. So he made a point of

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Speaker 8: he walked in the room late, and then he went

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Speaker 8: over to each table to shake hands and say hello

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Speaker 8: to his former assistant coaches or his former players. I

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Speaker 8: know Rabel never coached under him, but he played under

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Speaker 8: him to cut into the time because it was you know,

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Speaker 8: it's an hour long, now it's a half hour. You

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Speaker 8: think he really needed to go say hello to them

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Speaker 8: into media breakfast or was he cutting into the time

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Speaker 8: because it ends at a certain time.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 8: And also, you know, some coaches like Belichick will give

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Speaker 8: in press conferences really long answers because they know the

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Speaker 8: pr guy's going to cut it off after fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 8: So if you you'll fill a buster yep on one

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Speaker 8: answer for ten minutes, that's less question.

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Speaker 1: He did that at the combine. Once started talking about

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Speaker 1: all the drills in detail. Yeah, cone drill goes like this.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna miss him, you know. He to me, he's

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Speaker 8: it was an underrated comic. Remember Steven Wright, the dry

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Speaker 8: Yeah comic. You're a New England guy. I think he's from.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a Boston guy.

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Speaker 1: And he would have jokes like, uh, I got a

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Speaker 1: postcard from a friend that had a picture of the

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Speaker 1: planet Earth said wish you were here, stuff like that.

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Speaker 8: Yes, so very Belichick was very I would play we

721
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Speaker 8: would play soundbites on press coverage, my show of vic

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Speaker 8: Rucci for the for the Yucks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it wasn't funny for the Patriot Beat writers, but

725
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Speaker 8: it was. It was funny for other people to look

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Speaker 8: at from the outside.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you cover the league at large, obviously

728
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Speaker 1: on serious XAM, but you focus on the Jets with

729
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Speaker 1: Jets Confidential. But I'm glad you appreciate obviously you do appreciate,

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Speaker 1: You appreciate the game, but appreciate Belichick. What other teams

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Speaker 1: do you like covering or at least keeping your eye

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Speaker 1: on from afar as you're looking at the league, who

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Speaker 1: intrigues you in general?

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Speaker 4: Damn?

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Speaker 8: Why I'm intrigued by Sean Payton in Denver?

736
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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 8: And what going on there an old school coach, a

738
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Speaker 8: Parcells disciple. Can that style work anymore in modern day

739
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Speaker 8: sports college or NFL? You know the way he yelled

740
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 8: at Russell Wilson last year, like you can still coach

741
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Speaker 8: guys tough, But I don't know if he can do

742
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 8: that anymore, screaming at a player on the sideline. Those

743
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Speaker 8: days I thought are behind us. But Sean Payton sixty

744
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Speaker 8: years old, He's going to coach the way he is

745
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Speaker 8: going to coach. We'll see how it works out. But

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Speaker 8: I was disappointed when Mike Rabel, a guy you know,

747
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Speaker 8: was fired in Tennessee. I thought he was one of

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Speaker 8: the best coaches in the league. Those Tennessee teams did

749
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Speaker 8: not have a lot of talent, you know, the GM

750
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Speaker 8: John Robinson missed on some draft picks and they just

751
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Speaker 8: weren't talented. But they'd still figure out a ways to

752
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Speaker 8: win games. Remember that Kansas City game when they when

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Speaker 8: they played Malik Willis at quarterback and they couldn't score,

754
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Speaker 8: they couldn't get first downs, but they were in the game.

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Speaker 8: I think it went to overtime Kansas City against Tennessee.

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Speaker 8: Tennis See was so overmatched Rabel got him into overtime,

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Speaker 8: and they weren't. Malik Willis wasn't getting first downs. How

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Speaker 8: is a guy like that on the sidelines. Yeah, it's amazing,

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Speaker 8: maybe because of the same reason Belichick is in the

760
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Speaker 8: same reason I have concerns about Sean Payton. That style

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Speaker 8: of coaching maybe is not in Voga anymore. Abel those

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Speaker 8: press conferences, you saw some of them. You're in the

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Speaker 8: division with some of those interactions with reporters. Maybe the management,

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Speaker 8: maybe the owner there who's a Houston person, said I

765
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Speaker 8: don't want this anymore. I don't want my coach talking

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Speaker 8: that way to the media in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised about that though, because I would think Rabel,

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Speaker 1: having played the game at a high level, could relate

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Speaker 1: to players. So I wasn't thinking that had a culture

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Speaker 1: problem or anything like that. I was surprised that they

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Speaker 1: let him go. But hey, they're in the AFC South.

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Speaker 1: I hope they struggle. It's nothing personal, it's business, right, Well.

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Speaker 8: Can reporters take you know, can players take the tough coaching,

775
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Speaker 8: But can reporters this in this day and age, deal

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Speaker 8: with a coach getting on them. I covered parcels, the Zingers,

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Speaker 8: I used to get I want to ask him about

778
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Speaker 8: an injury, he said, what do you work for Medicare? Like,

779
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Speaker 8: imagine that would go viral?

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Speaker 4: Now, oh yeah, it wasn't even the nobody even blinked that.

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Speaker 4: I backed then.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's unbelievable how when I was watching those

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Speaker 8: Vabel press conferences late in the year, there was one

784
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Speaker 8: where he really got on a reporter. I'm like, I

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Speaker 8: don't know how much longer this is gonna last. Hell

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Speaker 8: of a coach, but I don't know if he can

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Speaker 8: act that way anymore.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of how much longer is this gonna last? What

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Speaker 1: about Andy Reid in Kansas City? I mean, Mahomes is

790
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Speaker 1: gonna last a long time, obviously, but I guess Reid

791
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Speaker 1: will go as long as he can because he's got

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Speaker 1: Mahomes at a fairly young age right now.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and he's got Nagy back who knows. I mean,

794
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Speaker 8: Andy's calling the plays, but Nagy knows exactly what Andy wants.

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Speaker 8: So it's amazing they've kept that staff together. Think about it.

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Speaker 8: Dave Taub the offensive line that's the name. Dave Tobb,

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Speaker 8: the special teams coach, is one of the best in

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Speaker 8: the business. Should have been a head coach like coach

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Speaker 8: Harbor and Baltimore sometimes as you don't hire special teams coaches.

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Speaker 4: Kansas City.

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Speaker 8: So I don't think he's going to get a job

802
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 8: now he's in his sixties. But he should have been

803
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Speaker 8: head coach. Spag should have got another chance. It's not

804
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 8: like he Saint Louis was pretty dysfunctional back then when

805
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 8: he was the head coach. It was hard to win

806
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 8: there with the Saint Louis rams. But he's got his

807
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Speaker 8: special great special teams coach coming back again, great defensive

808
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 8: coordinated coming back again. And he's got Naggy there who

809
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 8: helps him so much with the offense. So I think

810
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Speaker 8: Andy's Andy works hard, but he maybe doesn't have to

811
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Speaker 8: work as hard as other people because it's such a

812
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 8: well oiled machine and everyone knows what they need to do,

813
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Speaker 8: so maybe they don't have to put in the sixteen

814
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Speaker 8: hour days because they're so in sync.

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Speaker 1: And back to old school type coaching. What about Harbaugh

816
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Speaker 1: in LA with the Chargers, what do you think happens there?

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Speaker 8: Well, I was at his table this morning at the

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Speaker 8: media breakfast. The Jets table was too crowded. I was

819
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Speaker 8: surprised that the super Bowl winning coach. Yeah, that was

820
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Speaker 8: like it was like a loungejack that not a lot

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Speaker 8: of people. And Andy Reid today I noticed, Yeah, so

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Speaker 8: I sat down right next to him. But I you

823
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Speaker 8: know what, I'm gonna take this in as far as Andy.

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Speaker 8: Then I went to coach Harbaugh. Right, So those are

825
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Speaker 8: the two guys I went to. I know he asked

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Speaker 8: about Harbor, right. Harbaugh, the guy's a brilliant football mind,

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Speaker 8: just the philosophies, even within a press conference setting. He

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Speaker 8: had an interesting quote about JJ McCarthy today. Now people say, well,

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Speaker 8: he's not objective because he coached him at Michigan. He goes,

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Speaker 8: he's the only guy who played quarterback in this draft,

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Speaker 8: and thought that was brilliant in its own way. You

832
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Speaker 8: know what he's getting at He ran a pro offense

833
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Speaker 8: ave Michigan. JJ McCarthy had to change plays at the line,

834
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Speaker 8: He had to flex the tight ends, he had to

835
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Speaker 8: move people around, he had to read the defense, change

836
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Speaker 8: to play pre snap. None of these other first round

837
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Speaker 8: quarterbacks had to do that. So people say, what are

838
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Speaker 8: you talking about, Jim. He's the only guy who played quarterback.

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Speaker 8: That's what he was talking about. Now, do know will

840
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Speaker 8: use stand on the whole. You know, who's the best

841
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 8: quarterback prospect in the draft. Obviously the Texans are not

842
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 8: focused on that, but corch Tarba wasn't just waving palm

843
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Speaker 8: pomps to McCarthy. He was saying, this guy played in

844
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Speaker 8: a pro system where he had to read defenses and

845
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Speaker 8: change plays at the line. He wasn't getting one of

846
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Speaker 8: those crazy cards on the sideline with the dunkey on

847
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Speaker 8: it telling.

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Speaker 1: Him what to do, or a picture of Andy Warhol

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Speaker 1: or something like that. Dan Leberfeld joining us Serious x

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Speaker 1: MNFL Radio Jets Confidential, CJ.

851
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Speaker 4: Stroud.

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Speaker 1: I know the visit to the Meadowlands wasn't a good one,

853
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Speaker 1: but overall it was.

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Speaker 4: A great year for the rookie.

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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts as we talked about quarterbacks from

856
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Speaker 1: where we were this time last year to what happened

857
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Speaker 1: in his rookie season, moving on.

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Speaker 8: Once again the most pro ready guy. Yeah, people missed

859
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Speaker 8: on that. I want to throw it back at you

860
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Speaker 8: because I have to admit that was the one game

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Speaker 8: I covered him live, and I'm like, maybe there's too

862
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 8: much hype here. Obviously that turned out not to be true.

863
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Speaker 8: But what happened that I know he got concussed before that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think he got roughed up in the Denver

865
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Speaker 1: game too, and then he lost Nico early in that

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Speaker 1: game he got and I think that they were already

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Speaker 1: down a couple. Dell was already not there, and I

868
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Speaker 1: think Noah Brown maybe was the only guy among the

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Speaker 1: regulars and he's not one of the upper guys. So

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Speaker 1: I think being banged up in the secondary, the pressure

871
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: that the Jets were putting on, it was just a

872
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: bad day. You know, you know how this league is now, especially,

873
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel. But with seventeen games,

874
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: I just I know it's only one more game. But

875
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: there's something about it, there's something cosmic about it that

876
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: it gets it gets longer. You're gonna have guys. You

877
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: have to assume guys are gonna miss games. You get

878
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: fifteen games out of a player, you gotta be thrilled.

879
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, you asked me. You know about the Jets before.

880
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 8: You know, when you look at a Tyron Smith coming

881
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 8: over from the Cowboys or Mike Williams coming over from

882
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 8: the Chargers, maybe they shouldn't play seventeen games based on

883
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 8: their injury history. I'm not saying they're gonna get hurt,

884
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 8: but maybe you know how they're feeling a certain week.

885
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 8: Maybe you you make a veteran like a Tyron Smith

886
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 8: who hasn't played a full season since twenty fifteen. Yeah,

887
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 8: maybe once in a while they'll be, like I said,

888
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 8: everybody's got injury, say you know this is bothering him,

889
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 8: he's inactive this week. Maybe you do that for strategic reason, saying,

890
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 8: you know what, we don't want to make him play

891
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 8: seventeen games. Yeah, So maybe there's something too that with

892
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 8: veterans where maybe there are some inactives now, coaches aren't

893
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 8: being fourth right and they're not fudgy because everybody you

894
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 8: could always say has got this injury that injury. But

895
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 8: maybe they do give guys the Sunday off sometimes because

896
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 8: they're veterans who played a decade in the league. In

897
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 8: his seventeen game season.

898
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Stroud missing a couple of games can

899
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: cost Obviously you never want to see that, but it

900
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: allowed his body to heal up while his mind was

901
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: healing up or whatever has to happen there, and he

902
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: came back on fire and they had that great stretch run.

903
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: I think there's something to that. I'd hate to see

904
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: load management in the NFL, but maybe you needed if

905
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: you're gonna play seventeen and possibly eighteen games down the line, Yeah,

906
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: there's no.

907
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 8: Doubt about it. And what do you think of the

908
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 8: eighteen games? You think it's gonna happen.

909
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: I think eventually it does happen, and maybe we do

910
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: get some kind of load management. I was wondering what happened.

911
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: Remember we had the double buys. Maybe that was only

912
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: for a year or two. It was a long time ago,

913
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: but I always thought with seventeen they'd go to double

914
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: buys and that way they could extend the season. You

915
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: could play the Super Bowl President's Day weekend. Let's just

916
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: make it a longer year. But at least you'd get

917
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: two weeks off during the season, and I kind of

918
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: think they needed. The Texans had their buy relatively early

919
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: last year, and I thought they were aching for a

920
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: buye as we kept on going because they had a

921
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of injuries, but they were able to overcome them

922
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: for the most part.

923
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 8: You know, the Texans and the Jets played the same

924
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 8: style of defense. Obviously, Damiko Ryans was the linebacker coach

925
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 8: under Robert Sala and similar systems, and so much of

926
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 8: that system is predicated on the D line getting home right,

927
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 8: and they rotate them so much, so I think, you know,

928
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 8: that helps them the D lineman in this particular system

929
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 8: over a seventeen game season, I mean, they're coming in

930
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 8: and out a lot. There was a time a couple

931
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 8: of years ago where Quinn Williams got frustrated because of

932
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 8: how much he was coming off the field because of

933
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 8: the rotation thing. Now Texans had to neil Hunter and

934
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 8: it's such a big part of it. They literally you

935
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 8: need a too deep, a real too deep in that

936
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 8: scheme because you rotate them so much. But so that's

937
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 8: something to consider, you know, as far as rotating maybe

938
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 8: even more in a seventeen eighteen game season, pulling guys

939
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 8: out and saying, you know, we got to keep them

940
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 8: on a pitch account.

941
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: People get obsessed with starting lineups, starting lineups. You have

942
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: to go too deep in this league.

943
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 4: Guys are gonna play.

944
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: That's why, you know, we used to make jokes about

945
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: the fourth preseason game when they had four.

946
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 6: But I always thought.

947
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: That fourth one was important because guys in that game

948
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: tend to play later on, even in a sixteen game

949
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: season that was happening. Seventeen game, that's one more and

950
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: there you go. All right, let's go to the important

951
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: thing now, college basketball. You and I are both U

952
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: mask guys. I didn't go there, but I was their announcer.

953
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: Schools at that level and college football. Let's go college

954
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: football and basketball. It's tougher than ever, especially for a

955
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: school at that level that had great success in basketball football.

956
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: They were really good in one double A. They have

957
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: not had good seasons in one A.

958
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 6: What do they do? It's crazy right now?

959
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 8: Well, what's going on is a school mid majors are

960
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 8: in a lot of trouble. You have experience in the

961
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 8: MAC Conference, the Central Michigan. Yes, and I don't know

962
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 8: if I told you the story last year, but one

963
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 8: of the Jets' best players, really good player, Tyler Conklin,

964
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 8: the tight ends, very underrated player, great hands. He had

965
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 8: a Bavaro play last year. Remember the Bavar play where

966
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 8: he carried four guys on his back. Tyler Conklin, that

967
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 8: kind of guy out of Central Michigan. I said, how

968
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 8: do you have the chip?

969
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 7: Was?

970
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 8: Look? This year he goes, well, not very good. Their

971
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 8: three best players got poached by Power five schools. So

972
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 8: mid majors like you Mass Central Michigan, if you happen

973
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 8: to get a player who's maybe above that pay grade

974
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 8: of that conference, they're gone.

975
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

976
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 8: So Mass basketball. After this past season they won twenty games,

977
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 8: which a good season for them. Four guys hit the portal. Yah,

978
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 8: you know, I was watching and last year they had

979
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 8: a bunch of guys hit the portal. And that's really

980
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 8: the only thing I root for. People to who you're

981
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 8: a fan of, And maybe I'm a masochist. I'm not

982
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 8: any pro teams I root for. I'm a U Mass

983
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 8: basketball and football fan. That's where it went. So when

984
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 8: Texas A and M was playing, was that last night

985
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 8: or two nights ago?

986
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: Yeah?

987
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 8: Against the right the center was a guy named Wildon's

988
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 8: Levique who was at U Mass last year, and I

989
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 8: changed the channel. That's very childish, I have to say, bandy,

990
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 8: that's very childish. But it bothered me. I'm nothing against

991
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 8: the kid. Right, maybe A and M paid him.

992
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what A and M's basketball and money's like, but.

993
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 8: But I'm like, I was a little bummed out.

994
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, that's that.

995
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 8: So, like, who are you rooting for what Senior Day like,

996
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 8: like you know, see you you You've been college so

997
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 8: long and Senior Day was such such a beautiful thing.

998
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 8: You know, the kid was there four years, the parents

999
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 8: are there, the plaque with the jersey. Some guys at

1000
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 8: a school one year Senior Day like spare me Van

1001
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 8: he like all the time. And this is more bitterness

1002
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 8: about U Mass. One of their better players transferred, right

1003
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 8: who's he was there one year? He had transferred from

1004
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 8: Saint Francis to Pennsylvania. Right, transfer to U Mass for

1005
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 8: one year and then the heartfelt message on X thank

1006
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 8: you you Mass. I'm sorry kid, do what you gotta do,

1007
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 8: but I'm not feeling it. Man, where did he go? Well,

1008
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 8: he's very much in demand Tennessee. He's gonna get paid.

1009
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 8: He's a six to ten guy who who was really

1010
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 8: good at Saint Francis. It was good at you Mass

1011
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 8: and he's going for the payday big programs Notre Dame.

1012
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 8: Notre Dame is one of the schools after.

1013
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: Well, remember we used to call college athletics minor league

1014
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: system for the pros. Well, it's it's like baseball minor league.

1015
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: You have single a St. Francis and Pennsylvania, Double A, UMass,

1016
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: Triple A Tennessee and then you're a pro, right. I

1017
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: mean that's how I think about the older coaches retiring.

1018
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: The Dukane coach and if you know him because he

1019
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: was in the MAC, well, yeah, Keith Dambrod. He was

1020
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: the first coach I had there at Central Michigan.

1021
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 8: Oh my gods, you really know? Oh yeah, because I

1022
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 8: was thinking of the Akron days, but he was at Central.

1023
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 4: He was at Central back in the early nine.

1024
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 8: Okay, Keith Dambron makes the tournament, they win the first round. Yeah,

1025
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 8: and he's retiring. He's probably figuring with the NILAND transfer portal.

1026
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 8: This was a perfect storm for the duk Dukes.

1027
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 4: They're never duplicating this, right, he.

1028
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: Won a tournament game. This is like going out on

1029
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: top for that level. That's great for him. Out of

1030
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: the Atlantic ten, I mean they were, they were in

1031
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: the top four to five, right, They've been down forever.

1032
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: They had an ear where Duke Kine was a thing like.

1033
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: Fifty.

1034
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: They used to go to the n T when the

1035
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: NIT was bigger than the NCAA tournament, Right, it was huge.

1036
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: Dean Smith once said no to the NCAA tournament just

1037
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: to go to the n T because he said the

1038
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: games are better at Madison Square Garden. They played the

1039
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: whole thing at the Guard now they play the final. Wait,

1040
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: don't tell me where it's in Indie or I'm gonna

1041
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: get it wrong. It's not Oh, it's at yah Hinkle.

1042
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: It's at Hinkle Field House the.

1043
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: N I T.

1044
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 8: H Well, speaking of that, you know the situation as

1045
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 8: an Atlantic ten guy that you had your history at UMass.

1046
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 8: The Saint Bonaventure athletic director was fired because he turned

1047
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 8: down the n I T and he didn't tell the players.

1048
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 8: They fired.

1049
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 4: They turn it down.

1050
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 8: That's this this trend now turning down. But why would

1051
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 8: Saint Bonaventure turn it down?

1052
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 6: Well, St.

1053
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: Bonavec, here's the thing about the n I T that

1054
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: people don't understand. I know, you know this, like the

1055
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: home team has to guarantee X dollars to the tournament.

1056
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: We're gonna we're gonna fill the building.

1057
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: So your teams that are hosting are filling their building

1058
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: or they're losing money.

1059
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 4: That's how the n I T works.

1060
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: So maybe the bodies maybe they wanted them to host

1061
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: and he said we can't do that. So that could

1062
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: have had something to do with it. That's why you

1063
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: know Patino turns it down. Were they gonna draw at

1064
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden for an n I T first? You know?

1065
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 8: Really he turned it down? Or this might have been

1066
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 8: in stories because I don't follow college but I don't

1067
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 8: cover college basketball. The stupid transfer portal was open the

1068
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 8: next day and his whole rosters transfer portal. He got

1069
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 8: another bitterness. He got a UMass one of their best

1070
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 8: freshman last hire. I went to Saint John's a kid.

1071
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 4: At says alma man or what is he doing?

1072
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 8: So he the transfer portal stupidly open. They have to

1073
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 8: change that. It opened when the tournament opened. So he's like,

1074
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 8: I rather pound the transfer portal and worry about the

1075
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 8: n I T.

1076
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's crazy, crazy world in college athletics. Dan,

1077
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining. What more for you? You

1078
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: do the show with Vic Carucci every weekend Saturdays. How

1079
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: is that for you? You must really enjoy that on

1080
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: Serious x MNFL radio. I've been on the show. I

1081
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: always listen.

1082
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: I'm a fan. How do you like that?

1083
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 8: I love it because Vic is, you know, one of

1084
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 8: the great NFL writers over the years. He's an icon

1085
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 8: in Buffalo. And when you cover the league a long

1086
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 8: time and you've been the same way, you gather that

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Speaker 8: frame of reference. So we talk about things on a

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Speaker 8: level of guys that were covering for thirty years. Not

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Speaker 8: saying with smarter than people, but you pull these things

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Speaker 8: out of your head. Yeah, yeah, And he's got so

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Speaker 8: many great anecdotes and we have a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: Great Dan, thanks a lot for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Always great to be on with the Vandy A former

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Speaker 8: UMAs guy and a former MAC guy. And now we're

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Speaker 8: in the Mac, so I feel even closer to you.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. There's our conversation with Dan Leberfeld

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Speaker 1: of Serious Exam, NFL Radio, and Jets Confidential. That's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it for the show tonight. Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: NCAA tournament action coming your way next. Have a great night,

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Speaker 1: great weekend. Go Texans.