Speaker 1: Fellow ridiculous historians, we are returning to you with a
Speaker 1: bit of an epilogue to our continuing fascination with pirates.
Speaker 1: Did you know, friends and neighbors, that there was a
Speaker 1: pirate's paradise once upon a time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot like the wild West wasn't quite
Speaker 2: as wild as people think. Do check out our previous
Speaker 2: episode on that. It turns out that pirates depicted in
Speaker 2: fiction often bear very little resemblance to the real life
Speaker 2: historical ones. And in our previous conversations about some of
Speaker 2: history's most ridiculous pirates, we mentioned the quite egalitarian, dare
Speaker 2: we say democratic, ways that the pirates organized their society,
Speaker 2: and I believe we hinted at something of a pirate paradise.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, folks, Let's roll the tape. Ridiculous Histories, a production
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Speaker 1: Are with a hard, are a vast and ahoy, fellow
Speaker 1: ridiculous historians, Welcome to the show. Today, we're diving into piracy.
Speaker 1: I guess diving is an accidental pun. There. Hi, my
Speaker 1: name is Ben, my name is no.
Speaker 2: Do were pirates known for their diving skills?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: They were maritime, you know, I would I would think
Speaker 2: they would go to a great length to stay as
Speaker 2: dry as possible.
Speaker 1: They were known for their non consensual diving skills when
Speaker 1: they had to walk the plank.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Oh I felt bad about that one. No,
Speaker 2: it's very I think we all feel bad about that,
Speaker 2: but we feel great about our super producer. Give it
Speaker 2: up for Casey Pegre. Now, none of us here in
Speaker 2: the studio, and hopefully none of you have been involved
Speaker 2: in acts of IRL piracy. Let's be honest. It is
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and in these our modern days, many people
Speaker 2: are digitally pirating things. I was about to say, I
Speaker 2: think we've all probably downloaded a Torrent or two in
Speaker 2: our day. We're not advocating that here, but you may
Speaker 2: remember that very pointed trailer where I told you about
Speaker 2: how piracy does hurt people. You wouldn't download a car,
Speaker 2: which you wouldn't download a car. That's where you wouldn't
Speaker 2: steal a car. That's right. So we're not talking about
Speaker 2: that kind of piracy. We're talking about a much much
Speaker 2: more brazen form of piracy. And I want to start
Speaker 2: the show off by talking about the fact that in
Speaker 2: this age of political correctness, and you know, people getting canceled.
Speaker 2: Why aren't people talking more about how pirates probably aren't
Speaker 2: the best role model for little kids. You know, you
Speaker 2: still can pirate hats and you know, pirates swords and
Speaker 2: little eye patches with the Jolly Roger on.
Speaker 1: His sports team.
Speaker 2: It's a sports team. It's a lego set, you know.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a series of lego sets.
Speaker 2: It's a series sets. It's a kid's cartoon. Remember the
Speaker 2: Pirates of Dark Water? Remember that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh deep cut. I loved it.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I liked it too. They were sort
Speaker 2: of like future pirates.
Speaker 1: They were some apocalyptic sci fi pirates, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's funny, Casey, you were mentioning that off the
Speaker 1: air as well. You specifically said, aren't pirates due to
Speaker 1: get canceled, which I thought was a great point. Man.
Speaker 2: It just seems like they get up to a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff that's not so great, you know.
Speaker 1: The lowest of hijinks. So nowadays we romanticize pirates. However,
Speaker 1: this was not always the case, and we should point
Speaker 1: out now that there are active pirates existing around the
Speaker 1: world right some based in Somalia, so based off different coasts,
Speaker 1: and these folks are not romanticized, but we have in
Speaker 1: our collective brains, we have this idealized, romanticized concept of
Speaker 1: a pirate, a swashbuckler, you know what I mean, A
Speaker 1: lovable rogue. This romanticization begins in eighteen eighty three. It's
Speaker 1: weird because we can pinpoint the exact moment where it began.
Speaker 1: It began, arguably with Treasure Island by Robert Lewis Stevenson.
Speaker 1: So Treasure Island comes out, and you guys remember Treasure Island,
Speaker 1: right of.
Speaker 2: Course, swashbuckling adventures on the high seas. I believe long
Speaker 2: John long John Silver. You know, all of the kind
Speaker 2: of like tropes of pirate ness were sort of solidified
Speaker 2: in that one book and then it was taken and
Speaker 2: run with and everything from the Pirates of Dark Water
Speaker 2: to the Disney Treasure Island to everything. Who knew that
Speaker 2: would work.
Speaker 1: It's a film franchise based on a ride, and I'll
Speaker 1: admit the ride's pretty dope, but it you know, when
Speaker 1: you're a kid, but it's it's problematic. It is definitely,
Speaker 1: as you guys said, romanticizing things. But yeah, Treasure Island
Speaker 1: has this tremendous influence on how we think of pirates today.
Speaker 1: It includes all those things that we consider cliches or
Speaker 1: mandatory parts of a pirate story, Treasure maps that have
Speaker 1: an X on the spot, one legged sailors who have
Speaker 1: a trusty parrot, you know what I mean, all the hits,
Speaker 1: all the all that slow cool jazz. But if we
Speaker 1: look at real pirates, we see a lot of dissonance
Speaker 1: between what they actually were and what Hollywood would have
Speaker 1: us believe. When we engage with things like talk like
Speaker 1: a Pirate Day or watching Pirates of the Caribbean nineteen
Speaker 1: or whatever, whichever one, they're wrong. How far are they
Speaker 1: into that? How many? How many?
Speaker 2: Well, Johnny Depp got canceled briefly, and I think he okay,
Speaker 2: now I can't remember because I think it maybe turned
Speaker 2: out that his estranged wife was actually being abusive towards him.
Speaker 2: I saw that pop up in the press and then
Speaker 2: it kind of went away. So that's yet to be determined.
Speaker 2: I know he's not in the next one, but they're
Speaker 2: doing it without him. They're doing it without him.
Speaker 1: Are they just gonna get Keith Stewart to do it?
Speaker 2: I'm not you mean Keith Richards.
Speaker 1: That's the one. Yeah, one of the Keith, one of
Speaker 1: the Keith. I'm not discriminatory when it comes to Keith.
Speaker 1: I just good a guy named Keith in there. Give
Speaker 1: him some dreadlocks, put him in the film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just kind of prop him up with a bottle
Speaker 2: of rum.
Speaker 1: Is Keith Stewart a famous for series though? That's just
Speaker 1: I think that's a guy who went to my high school.
Speaker 1: It's possible we had kind of a Keith Richard's vibe.
Speaker 2: I don't know any famous Stuart's except for John Stewart,
Speaker 2: Rod Stewart. We're okay, well you got me there. He
Speaker 2: did not go to oscool.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, yeah, it's amazing this kind of this
Speaker 1: kind of vision, this pop culture phenomenon exists. But we
Speaker 1: can we can set the stage for today's show by
Speaker 1: looking at pirate fact versus pirate fiction. First things first,
Speaker 1: the life of a pirate was grip. They were ruthless.
Speaker 1: This was a time of homicide. This was a time
Speaker 1: of murder. If you think a captain Jack Sparrow realized
Speaker 1: in real life he could have never become the captain
Speaker 1: of a pirate ship. He would have been killed by
Speaker 1: his crew.
Speaker 2: Was it for wearing eyeshadow?
Speaker 1: I think it was less less the the coal liner
Speaker 1: and more the profound commitment to running away.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, because pirates didn't run away. If anything,
Speaker 2: they ran towards things, right, That's what they That's what
Speaker 2: they had to do. You know, they had to they
Speaker 2: had to capture these ships. We know that the most
Speaker 2: famous pirates were probably not the most successful as well.
Speaker 1: We also see this whole Bury treasure thing. You know,
Speaker 1: it probably happened several times, but it was not common.
Speaker 1: It was not normal. These guys. Pirates didn't live super long.
Speaker 1: They weren't like long term thinking, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like one of the guys selling drugs and the
Speaker 1: wire is not wondering about what he's going to do
Speaker 1: when he's eighty because he doesn't think he'll make it there.
Speaker 2: Only here's the thing, Ben, Some pirates did kind of
Speaker 2: live the equivalent of a Twilight Years retiring to Florida
Speaker 2: kind of situation, didn't they They did.
Speaker 1: They did nail on the head. This is something that
Speaker 1: the three of us recently found out about. Because we're
Speaker 1: all right, we understand that Hollywood doesn't depict a lot
Speaker 1: of the truths about pirates, like the whole walking the
Speaker 1: plank thing are and I made. Those are kind of
Speaker 1: Hollywood creations, but some pirates did make it. Some pirates did.
Speaker 1: As you say, Nol have a retirement plan. There is
Speaker 1: a small island off the coast of Madagascar that we
Speaker 1: call Nosey Burraja today weird, it's weird, it's a weird one.
Speaker 1: In the past it was known as the is Sainte Marie. Casey,
Speaker 1: could you help us out with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll stall Mari. That sounds about right, Casey, and
Speaker 2: Ben on the case whoa and noul I thank you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, Ben, but you nailed it in the
Speaker 2: first place. We just got a little bit of confirmation
Speaker 2: from our resident, what do you call him, a Francophone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Casey Pegram, Casey Pegrim, the.
Speaker 1: Man, the myth, the legend. And speaking of men, myths
Speaker 1: and legends, there was in the Indian Ocean again, just
Speaker 1: off the coast of Madagascar, a real life pirate paradise. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When about in the neighborhood of one thousand pirates weren't
Speaker 2: out pirrating, they can't. This was kind of their summer home.
Speaker 2: You know they're off season paradise. There was a map
Speaker 2: from seventeen thirty three that was discovered of this area
Speaker 2: and it was simply headed with the Island of Pirates.
Speaker 2: It is near the East Indies trade route, very very
Speaker 2: centrally located to where these folks would have been pillaging
Speaker 2: and pirrating and looting and raping their way across the
Speaker 2: high seas. It was very convenient and it was the
Speaker 2: perfect place to it. It was like a real life
Speaker 2: treasure island in theory anyway, right, because it was perfect
Speaker 2: tucked away location where they could hide all of their
Speaker 2: ill gotten booty. I like saying booty, right right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Since a pirate named Adam Baldridge started making that his
Speaker 1: base in sixteen ninety one, this became a home away
Speaker 1: from home or in some cases a legit first home
Speaker 1: for a lot of pirates and it went on until
Speaker 1: seventeen nineteen with a pirate named John pro There were
Speaker 1: multiple reasons for this tiny island to be attractive to pirates.
Speaker 1: They first off enjoyed proximity to multiple trading routes. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. This ships would be returning from
Speaker 1: the East Indies with fresh goods, fine fine clothing, spices
Speaker 1: and so on. And then it had a bunch of
Speaker 1: bays and inlets that were protected geographically from storms. It
Speaker 1: was situated in quiet, easy water. It had tons of fruit.
Speaker 1: You could just live off the land if you had to.
Speaker 1: And so a bunch of or make their own rum
Speaker 1: or make their own rum. Oh that's probably more important
Speaker 1: than the fruit. That was a big That was a biggie,
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2: And they lived in these little huts, right, They were
Speaker 2: like little wooden huts, and each one was marked with
Speaker 2: an emblem or one of you know, the pirate the
Speaker 2: ubiquitous pirate flags, which presumably would have been different designs
Speaker 2: for the different crews that were under serving under these
Speaker 2: different captains. And also, wouldn't you think, man, that some
Speaker 2: of these factions wouldn't necessarily be like vying for the
Speaker 2: same stuff, Like there wasn't necessarily like an overall brotherhood
Speaker 2: of pirates. To my understanding, it was sort of like
Speaker 2: every man, every crew for themselves kind of situation. And
Speaker 2: yet they managed to coexist on this island, That's true.
Speaker 2: Quite a few of them managed to coexist, So maybe
Speaker 2: they had kind of a truce situation. But we're talking
Speaker 2: legendary real pirates, William Kidd, Robert Culliford, Henry Avery, Abraham,
Speaker 2: Samuel Thomas, two and so on. The island had a
Speaker 2: main town called Embodi Futatra, which is a mouthful. And
Speaker 2: they also had family here, you know. They they met
Speaker 2: women who were native to the area, and they had children,
Speaker 2: and they evolved this sort of non criminal lifestyle, but
Speaker 2: they took a bunch of stuff with them. So the
Speaker 2: island today remains allegedly home to massive amounts of missing
Speaker 2: loot or as you prefernal booty, booty, booty hard d.
Speaker 2: So we're talking gold, we're talking coins, works of art,
Speaker 2: religious artifacts, precious stones, and legend has it that the
Speaker 2: treasure of William Kidd is still buried somewhere in this
Speaker 2: pirate island, in the bay near the main town, and
Speaker 2: people have been hunting around this area for buried treasure
Speaker 2: for decades and decades and decades and decades. But one
Speaker 2: thing that really fascinated us was the culture that sprang
Speaker 2: up on this island, particularly that there is an actual
Speaker 2: pirate cemetery that's nuts, there's actually there, you know, like
Speaker 2: the whole nine. They are tombstones.
Speaker 1: They're weird messages and codes and skulls and there's actually
Speaker 1: there's skulls inscribed on the tombstones.
Speaker 2: Totally, and that whole Jolly Roger imagery. Yes, so it's
Speaker 2: not a huge one. It's on a hill shaded by
Speaker 2: palm trees and it overlooks the ocean and pretty small.
Speaker 2: Only about thirty real life irl pirates are buried there,
Speaker 2: and they were buried there because they were residents of
Speaker 2: this island. This was their home away from their home
Speaker 2: on the high Seas, I guess. And you can still
Speaker 2: go visit this site today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can go tour it the same way
Speaker 1: that you could see another local attraction. It's only about
Speaker 1: three or four dollars to go us. There's a small
Speaker 1: pathway behind this long way wall which is south of
Speaker 1: the capital, and signs from there will lead you to
Speaker 1: the cemetery. There's a small hut where you can pay
Speaker 1: your entrance fee and you can learn more about the
Speaker 1: pirates that are buried in the in the area, and
Speaker 1: then you can walk over to Saint Pierre. The problem
Speaker 1: is that over the years, surprise, surprise, not a lot
Speaker 1: of people have put time into taking care of the
Speaker 1: gravestones on the grave site. So a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of graves and crips were damaged because because of
Speaker 1: a very understandable crime. I have to say, guys, if
Speaker 1: I grew up in this area, or if I were
Speaker 1: interested in being around pirates and finding their treasure, I
Speaker 1: would totally mess with their graves because I would figure
Speaker 1: they would be buried with their stuff. Because again I
Speaker 1: have like a goonies level understanding of real pirates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, to be fair, that's probably one
Speaker 2: of the more historically accurate pirate films that's out there,
Speaker 2: right right right. Mine was Pippy long Stocking or Pippy
Speaker 2: long Stocking. I do she was? She was she a pirate.
Speaker 2: She wasn't a she was on a pirate ship. There
Speaker 2: was a pirate, I believe. I believe she served under
Speaker 2: some sort of pirate and she had a monkey, right
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 1: So, you know, I mainly remember her hair. But it's
Speaker 1: it's true, though, this is one of the misc inceptions
Speaker 1: that's leading to pretty serious damage to this real life
Speaker 1: pirate cemetery. Pirates didn't again, they didn't really bury treasure.
Speaker 1: It could happen, but it was not commonplace instead. Just
Speaker 1: imagine if you listening and Casey and Noel and I
Speaker 1: are all together and we're pirates. We're sailing the high seas,
Speaker 1: and we rob a ship and we get our booty
Speaker 1: with the hard tea. Then we're going to keep it
Speaker 1: on this ship, and then later we'll divide it up
Speaker 1: amongst ourselves. Again, this idea of buried treasure comes from
Speaker 1: Treasure Island, and the X marks the spot. The whole
Speaker 1: nine largely fictive. The only person we know for sure
Speaker 1: to bury anything was Captain Kidd, and the entire reason
Speaker 1: he buried his treasure was to keep it away from
Speaker 1: the Governor of New York. He buried it outside of
Speaker 1: New York, I don't know, like Yonkers or something. I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: He didn't do it in Yonkers.
Speaker 2: So one of the I don't know, slightly more well known,
Speaker 2: certainly not as well of them as Billy. The kid
Speaker 2: pirates that was laid to rest in this graveyard and
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time on this island was a
Speaker 2: French Corsair by the name of Olivier Lavasier or a
Speaker 2: ka LaBouche, LaBouche LaBouche.
Speaker 1: Casey, can we get a sound effect for that.
Speaker 2: Of course, that means the mouth. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he has some sort of weird snaggletooth kind of situation
Speaker 2: going on, or if he just talked too much. But
Speaker 2: apparently dead men tell no tales. But here's the thing,
Speaker 2: LaBouche did tell tales after his passing, in the form
Speaker 2: of a cipher. I know you're a fan of a
Speaker 2: good cipher, and we're not talking about a freestyle rap, ben,
Speaker 2: are we no?
Speaker 1: But fun fact, I am actually very scarily to freestyling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about a cipher is in a code. So
Speaker 1: he's executed in seventeen thirty for as many, many, many
Speaker 1: many crimes as a scaly wag, a buccaneer and so on.
Speaker 1: But apparently, moments before his execution he yelled, find my treasure,
Speaker 1: the one who may understand, and hurled a necklace into
Speaker 1: the crowd. And this necklace had sort of a note,
Speaker 1: but it was actually a cipher is a seventeen line
Speaker 1: coded message. And you can see you can see photographs
Speaker 1: of this cipher on a great article by Magellan Times.
Speaker 1: The cipher itself remained It's unsolved today, right, No one's
Speaker 1: cracked it.
Speaker 2: I believe that's true, and not that it wasn't attempted,
Speaker 2: because maybe it's just maybe no one's figured it out yet.
Speaker 2: I mean, on the same article there is like a
Speaker 2: key with some of the little symbols and what letter
Speaker 2: they're present, But obviously it didn't do the trick.
Speaker 1: And not for nothing people have been trying to find
Speaker 1: this for such a long time. There's a guy named
Speaker 1: Barry Clifford who is a real life treasure hunter and
Speaker 1: somewhat successful too. That that's nuts to me. Do you
Speaker 1: guys think about that. We're here in our podcast studio
Speaker 1: and we're we're having a lovely time making shows and
Speaker 1: exploring these stories, but this guy is actually out hunting treasure.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, if I had to pick another job,
Speaker 1: no offense to you guys, but I would totally be
Speaker 1: a treasure hunter. Would you guys be in like if
Speaker 1: we had a chance of finding treasure.
Speaker 2: Like Steve Zisu's style, Yes, well he was more like
Speaker 2: a naturalist, like a figure, but yeah, I'd be down,
Speaker 2: especially if you knew a good area to look. Where
Speaker 2: might that be?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: It's almost as though we've been talking about what might
Speaker 2: have been a hotbed of pirate activity. It boggles the
Speaker 2: boggles the mind, and it boggles Barry Clifford's mind to
Speaker 2: the point where he decided, surely there are remnants of
Speaker 2: sunk in pirate galleys and all of the accompanying booty
Speaker 2: littered throughout Sant Marie. He told The Daily Mail in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen that pirates had more money than they could
Speaker 2: spend in ten lifetimes. So surely there's stuff squirreled away
Speaker 2: in these little lagoons or you know, in caves or
Speaker 2: what have you. Right, yeah, yeah, so surely he must
Speaker 2: have had complete success, and he is now a very
Speaker 2: wealthy man.
Speaker 1: Right he changed his name to Jeff Bezos. No, he
Speaker 1: goes on and he says, he's like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: back in the day, if you were a pirate, this
Speaker 1: island's where you would go. It's where all the pirates
Speaker 1: hung out.
Speaker 2: Why is this guy so haggard sounding.
Speaker 1: He's lived a hard life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He doesn't wear sunscreen, so that's the secret. It's very apparently,
Speaker 1: it's very bad for your throat not to wear sunscreen.
Speaker 1: But he has been exploring the island for almost well
Speaker 1: more than twenty years, and during this time, he's found
Speaker 1: thirteen separate distinct ship and you can see you can
Speaker 1: see photos, you can see some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: he's that he's extracted from these crash sites or these
Speaker 1: uh oh, some of these ships were probably scuttled too,
Speaker 1: if their damage was too great. And I know you
Speaker 1: love that word.
Speaker 2: Scuttle, but scuttle, but would be rumors if I say scuttled,
Speaker 2: but I said scuttled.
Speaker 1: Some of these ships were scuttled. I know that's one
Speaker 1: of your favorite.
Speaker 2: Words, is but it would have been funny if you
Speaker 2: had said, I know some of these ships were scuttled, but.
Speaker 1: It would have been yeah, it's true. The jokes that
Speaker 1: would have been everybody who's seen Hunger Games, go ahead,
Speaker 1: kiss your fingers, do the uh what what was that motion?
Speaker 2: Oh that's I always thought of that as sort of
Speaker 2: like a badass like sign off, like I'm out yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think both of us have done
Speaker 1: that in social situations before. But anyway, Yes, he has
Speaker 1: not found treasure. Clifford has not. He has, however, found
Speaker 1: religious artifacts. He's found ships, of course, and pieces of ships.
Speaker 1: One of his big one of his big recoveries was
Speaker 1: an early statue of Jesus Christ from the thirteenth or
Speaker 1: fourteenth century. So who knows whether you have a dream
Speaker 1: job or something that's just sort of a means to
Speaker 1: an end right now, maybe a career in treasure hunting
Speaker 1: is for you. It takes some dedication, and it sounds
Speaker 1: like it takes a lot of overhead, but I would
Speaker 1: personally love it. I would love it if someone listening
Speaker 1: now actually found buried treasure, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because even we know it was super unusual. No, it's
Speaker 1: largely a myth, but that doesn't mean it's totally a myth.
Speaker 1: The treasure's out there right Also hashtag no oak.
Speaker 2: Island Remind me about Oak Island again?
Speaker 1: Then the Oak Island money Pit. We did a show
Speaker 1: on this for stuff they don't want you to know,
Speaker 1: and the Oak Island money Pit in Nova Scotia is
Speaker 1: thought to be a site of largely unrecovered buried treasure.
Speaker 1: Now this has also become a reality show phenomenon, so
Speaker 1: the producers got involved and now you will see all
Speaker 1: kinds of here you go scuttle butt at about what's
Speaker 1: actually in the ground there.
Speaker 2: Thanks for doing that for me, Ben.
Speaker 1: Hey Man, I got your back. So some things have
Speaker 1: been carbon dated. Some people have claimed that they found something,
Speaker 1: but they haven't found any significant treasure. The thing is,
Speaker 1: there are real buried treasures out there, and I would
Speaker 1: I would love to be a part of finding one.
Speaker 1: So you know, hit us up, Hit us up on
Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians if you have a If you have a
Speaker 1: pitch for a likely sight of buried treasure, you can
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Speaker 2: It's a group that we have. You might have heard
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Speaker 2: You can join just simply by saying Ben in my name,
Speaker 2: and the same way you might some and a genie
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Speaker 1: And of course there you will also see our good
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Speaker 1: I noticed some of our coworkers are sort of stealth
Speaker 1: hanging out on that page.
Speaker 2: Have you seen that? Totally a lot of Larkin.
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Speaker 2: I am at Embryonic Insider and big thanks to super
Speaker 2: producer Casey Pegrim. As always thanks to Alex Williams who
Speaker 2: composed our theme. Thanks to our Here in Spirit cohort
Speaker 2: Christopher Hasiotis, who is one day going to see the
Speaker 2: light about how amazing a movie Mandy is.
Speaker 1: And let us know about your favorite pirate throughout history, And.
Speaker 2: Let me know was Pippy Longstocking a pirate? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I forget, it was a long time ago. We'll see
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