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A lot of the guys that are 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.960 playing on this European team he covered over the year, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.320 and he's covered a fair share of Ryder Cups. So 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.040 I thought he'd be a great perspective, a European perspective, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.760 to come on and do our traditional five Things podcast 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:15.200 before a big event. So Lawrence uh is on Twitter 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.960 and Instagram. Follow him there, but also subscribe to his magazine. 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.920 It's pretty cool. So, without further ado, here is Lawrence 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:24.400 down again. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.440 I miss the green for example, I'm already upset when 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.560 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.359 And when I find my ball in a egg Friday egg, 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.560 the dreaded Frida egg fridagg Frida egg bride egg Lie, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.720 I'm about ready to run off of the course. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.040 Lawrence, welcome on. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:03.520 How you didn't hand it? 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.720 Great to be on long overdue. You should have been 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:11.480 on years ago. Wealth of you know, music knowledge, wealth 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.640 of golf knowledge. You know, written about Ryder Cups for 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:21.360 years and obviously major championships for years, and it really 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.760 covered the sport of golf over this era that is 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.080 still going on. I didn't think that we were still 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.440 going to be talking about Lee Westwood and Ryder Cups 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.720 in twenty twenty one, But here we are. 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.200 Isn't that amazing? Actually, I've got a very quickly. Lee 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.680 Westwood was picked for the two thousand and one Ryder 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.119 Cup and he was in great form and he went. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.680 He had absolutely well, being the mister Lee Westwood mega fan, 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.360 you'll know, he had the worst slump of all time. Yes, 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.280 And I remember, so it was delayed a year and 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.560 I had to go up to Sahale for something. I 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.400 was interviewing Monty or something, and I bumped into Lee 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.680 Westwood on the first tea or whatever, and I said, 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.520 how's it going? I said, oh, fuck, just terrible. And 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.320 then he proceeded to hit this two iron straight into 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.880 the trees and you're thinking, oh my god. And then 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:11.440 lo and behold he gets to that ride a cup 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.840 A year later or a couple months later after that, 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.520 completely a form and Sam turns nurses him through and 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.920 he's reborn, and here we are twenty years later, he's 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.520 still flaming the Ryder Cup. What career? What player? 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.760 I think like the slump. I'm drawn to the slump 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:34.000 players like I find Jordan Speith extraordinarily more interesting now 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.800 than he was when he was twenty two and on 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.680 top of the world, Like now that he's gone through 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.039 what was the doldrums. I mean, the guy almost fell 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.120 out of the top one hundred in the world rankings, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.039 and I think now coming back from that, he's so 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:52.520 much more compelling because he's somebody that has faced adversity 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.320 and at times, I'm sure wondered if it was ever 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.839 coming back. And Westwood, I think that's probably where a 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.080 lot of my fandom from was the fact that he 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:06.640 was this kind of a Starcross Superstar and all the 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.359 near misses gout, you you know, and it makes you 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.159 really feel for a guy because as golfers were all 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.760 used to failing ninety nine percent of the time. And 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.200 and that's the relatability that the professionals could gain is 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.080 when they struggle the uh. 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.880 And he's so kind of stoic the ship nook after 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.040 the two thousand and nine open at Termany shipnuk as 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.000 he does snuck into the locker room and got that pat. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:32.520 I don't you should go back and look at it, 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:37.400 that great little vignette of Westwood staring intensely at the 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.200 water cooler. You know, I can't believe because that was 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.560 the one he should have won. I mean, he should 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:42.240 have won that, you know. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:43.920 I mean there are a bunch that he should have won. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.480 Well, I think I think if you talk to him, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.920 I think he feels that that that's the one. Yeah, 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.360 he is actually I foresaw him. I was carrying on 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.839 European tour in ninety six. I remember, this is how 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.040 far back I go with Westwood. I remember when he 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:02.240 was a fantastic putter. I think when he first came 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.560 out on tour, he was a phenomenal putter, and I 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.800 was caddying for a guy. We played with him in 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.719 good catin terrible golf course in near Hamburg. His dad 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.800 was pulling a trolley for him, and I swear to 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.000 god West would shot sixty five one day, and I'd 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.080 never seen anything better. And I just thought, this guy 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:23.440 is going to win seventy three majors. He looked so good. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.839 But so here we are, got almost thirty years later. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.040 It's not amazing he's still going strong anyway. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.160 Well, I mean, like, I don't think I think that's 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.599 the thing, is like, longevity is such an interesting thing. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.800 I don't think like, I don't think longevity should necessarily 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.120 be used for the greatest players of all time because 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.719 I think like what you do in like say your 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:49.360 ten year prime heyday is what should be trump all things. 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.760 Is that that was like when you're in your at 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.400 your best versus when other guys were at their best, 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.320 like their peaks of their career. But at the same token, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:02.040 I think longevity longevity as speaks to just pure overall 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.480 talent because they you know, the just the sheer ability 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.640 to have it and still compete when you're forty seven, 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.000 forty eight years old and make a Ryder Cup team. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.920 And I think this speaks to Phil. Phil talent wise 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.320 is off the charts, and I think that's, you know something, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.600 This is the first year we don't have Phil in 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.280 a Ryder Cup in you know, since the nineties. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.720 The I've got a theory. I mean, one of my 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.560 great passions is development. Westwood was a very much a 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.720 multi sport athlete. When he was a teenager, he was 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.120 a great you called soccer football player, really good runner, 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.080 he played all sorts of stuff and he wasn't There 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.200 was a guy around when when Westwood was a junior 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.160 in England there was another guy called Michael Welsh who 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.920 was a superstar and they were very much contemporaries and 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.880 if they were ever in tournaments, wels would always beat Westwood. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.720 So Westwood was never the best then. And I just 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.800 think those kind of guys, they tend the guys who 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.160 didn't really do like full on golf airly, those are 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:02.960 the guys that can attend to last. I mean, I know, 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:04.880 field it, but Phil's got this kind of he just 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.560 loves golf more than anybody in the entire universe. I 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.360 mean so, but Westwood still going strong, because I don't 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.200 think he's not still not burnut it's not amazing that 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.800 the he's a forty eight or forty nine. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.800 Yeah, And I think the other thing with that when 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:22.600 you play other sports, I think what also happens is 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:27.920 you develop a really fierce competitiveness, which can which you 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.760 have to be super competitive when you've made, you know, 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.600 in Phil's case, tons of money you're older, like, there 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.400 has to be some sort of competitive drive that in 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.600 fire that burns, you know, because I think that's where 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.000 we see some guys. They make a bunch of money, 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.920 especially now with the PGA Tour the way it is, 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.640 they make a ton of money, and it's easy to 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.160 take your foot off the pedal a little bit. You're 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.080 not working as hard, you know, maybe you have kids 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.120 and then all of a sudden it's like, well, you know, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.200 I can hang out with my kids versus I could 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.440 go practice is from nine to four. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:07.480 The Yeah. I listened to uhc donald on Knowling a 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.400 couple of weeks ago. It was really I did I 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.000 thought he was older. He said, I'm forty three and 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.280 I still think I can do this, and that maybe 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.320 I went and looked, I went and looked at his 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.160 PG two. He'd made thirty six point five million on 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:19.840 a PGA tour and he's forty three, and he said, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.960 I still think, you know, I still think he could 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:23.800 do it. I still think I could win tournaments. I 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.839 can win majors. It's so you've got to have someone 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.880 else on top of just the talent. And Westwood's got it. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:31.040 Phil's got it. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.959 Well, I think obviously, ball striking is a big thing. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.160 Iron play, iron play endurers. You know you're never gonna 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.040 You're not gonna be able to be the longest player 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.000 once you hit thirty, like you you know, like speed 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.880 is always going to favor the youth. So distance sure 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.679 is a dominant force and becoming more and more dominant 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.680 in the PGA tour. In distance the big thing this 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.480 week at the Ryder Cup. But at the same time, 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.560 the enduring talent is the ability. I always think the 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.920 very best ball strikers. You know, when you're playing with 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.960 a really great ball striker, is they never ever miss 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.319 yardages on approach, plays pin high all day long. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.280 Well, when Donald was he kind of bit. Donald was short. 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.960 When he was working World up Woman for fifty six weeks, 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.520 he was short but he's talking about basically from one 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.960 hundred and twenty five yards and end, it was up 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.920 and down. That was it, guarantee sensely guaranteed number one 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.880 putter on the PG two or three years in a row, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.600 I think top three for the next two five years 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.600 as basically the best or one of the very best 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:32.360 parts in the world. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.200 His approach play numbers for those years two they were 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:40.080 I think his worst in five years was sixteenth, his 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.920 worst rank of any of those three. So he'd always be, 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.559 you know, one hundred and fiftieth in the world or 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.280 worse in driving off the tee, but every other statistic 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:54.640 he was top effectively top fifteen, and that's insane, is 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.480 the all around skill. And it also it's so compelling. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.600 When I had him on our podcast and he talked 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.920 about how playing with Rose at Marion was like a 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:09.559 defining moment of his career, and you know, he walked 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.439 off the course and thought, if I could just hit 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.640 it like justin Rose, I would win some majors. And 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.319 that's when he went down a path that kind of 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.800 led to what we saw. He's tried to change his swing, and. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.560 I think then you go to Chuck Cook. Yeah, so 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.760 looking for a mix of fifteen twenty yards. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.240 Yeah, yeah, but it's super it's super interesting because then 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.360 I've did some research. It might have been from one 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.800 of your articles. After it was from one of your 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:41.280 articles after Luke Donald won Wentworth in twenty eleven over 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.400 Westwood and took number one, wrote there were a lot 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:49.280 of Rose quotes talking about how impressive Luke Donald's consistency 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.480 was and how he needed to be more consistent. And 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:57.240 Rose then became this world class player, you know, shortly after, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.520 one of the most consistent players, you know, outside of Rory, 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.640 the most consistent player from twenty in the twenty tens. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.600 And you know, then Donald plays with Rose at Marion 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.600 and and he walks off the course thinking if I 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.440 could just be like Justin Rose and and you know, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.719 and it doesn't work out for him, Which is it? 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.520 Just golfers are the most They're the most envious people. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:25.040 You know they could be. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.360 They've been a final group of a major championship, you know, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.280 two of the best players in the world, and they 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.640 look at the other guy across the across the t 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.160 box and think about how they wish they could do 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.160 things like the other guy could. When they're playing in 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.080 the final group of the Major and they and that's 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:40.599 I think the hard thing with the game is like, 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.200 how do you get better? And you've got a kid 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.640 that you know, one of the best juniors in the 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:51.120 in the country obviously, yeah, but anyway, you know he's 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.280 gonna play high division one golf and you've got but like, 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.480 one of the things I always find interesting is, like 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.520 you think about junior offers. It once you get to 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.400 a certain level, golf gets so difficult to get better, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.960 and it really becomes who can figure out how to 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.880 get better when you're already an elite and keep moving 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.040 up as you get older. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:18.120 It's the great conundrum. I feel sorry for college coaches 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.520 because they're essentially looking at a sixteen or sixteen and 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.000 a seventeen year old kid and trying to project where 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.360 they're going to be in two or three years time. 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.120 It's you know, you look at some kids you can 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.560 tell straight away. Look, for instance, you can look at 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.840 Tommy Morrison, who's a seventeen year old kid. He's got 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.480 six nine guy, right, Yeah, Actually I saw him at 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:44.400 a Monday qualifier last week. You looked very impressive. It's huge, huge, actually, 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.480 and I went to Olympia Fields and I was in 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:50.280 Chicago on Saturday and went to Olympia Fields and it 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.280 was really, I mean, god, a mighty look at the 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.760 Oklahoma State team. Andy, my goodness. These guys are all giants. 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.200 All of them are giants. So but to that extent, 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.679 the college coaches just looking at size of kids. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.000 Speed, But well, it's like becoming like high school baseball 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.960 when like college scholarships drafts, not necessarily the best pitcher 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.920 in the area is going to get the best scholarship. 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:13.880 It's the biggest one. It's the one that they see 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.920 the most speed, the most you know, the most that 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.240 they see the potential for the most electric stuff. It's 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.600 like drafting. You know, these these high school kids that 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.360 get drafted, they get drafted on projections rather than results. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.360 And you know, I'll never forget I had a buddy 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.120 that was one of the best pitchers in the area 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.360 and he got passed over for scholarships to Division one. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.600 And I was always like, he's like, I'm just he 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.000 was five to ten. You know, what's going to five 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.000 to ten? How's he going to get better? And that's 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.720 the thing I think with golf is they're looking as like, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.800 oh does this can this kid swing it one twenty five? 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.560 And that's the big tie breaker between two kids that 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:50.840 are similar in results. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.360 Well, the big I mean getting back to your point, though, 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.160 the big thing is, you know, see and still the intangibles. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.400 I mean you can look at ten you go to 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.400 the Junior Players Championship for instance, you know, see the 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.280 top twenty kids in the States, and they're all great, 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.800 great players. But I mean, how do you pick out, 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.000 you know, apart from size, how do you pick out 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.720 the one, you know who has the intangibles? You look 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.560 at a sixteen year old Jordan Speed and you knew 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.360 straight away, you know, I mean, this is a kid 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.640 who couldn't really swing it, didn't really have much in 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.200 the way of fundamentals because just had that inate ability 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.480 to get the ball in the hole. But that's that's 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.720 it's not always so clear when you're looking at it. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.280 It's so getting back to your point is it's so 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.200 you know what what separates the great players? I mean, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:33.840 it's it's all I mean. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.440 Well, I mean like a perfect example too, like is 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.720 abe answers twelfth in the world and nobody, nobody would 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.600 go and say I'm I'm taken a answer, But then 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:45.560 you you look at it and I think it's I 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.080 think he's two or three years running where he's made 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.040 the least amount of bogies on tour, and it's like, well, 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.600 like he's just very tidy, you know, like he's the 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.640 tidiest player on tour. Like it makes the least amount 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.160 of mistakes, you know, makes putts when he needs to. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.040 It's it's just, Yeah, that's the thing with golf is 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.600 like everybody's got there. I think almost the idea I 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:12.200 would take is finding the players that are most authentically them, right, 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.920 because I think that's what golf so much is is 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:19.040 like the players that play to their their own way 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.880 are the ones that end up being the really the 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.400 greatest players. Right is that Like you know, everybody's oh 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.160 he's the next Sevvy, but like John Ram's John Ram, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.480 you know, and and and you could say, oh, we 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.080 want to build a swing, a short swing with little 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.000 moving parts, like, but guess what, that's John Rom's swing 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.600 And that's because you know he we found out with 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:45.760 the what I forgot, what ailment he has with that. Yeah, 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.080 like his foot is the reason that his swing is 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.840 the way it is, and it's like, well, that's just 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.080 authentically his golf swing. You think about Bubba Watson never 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.800 taking a golf lesson, like nobody's going to be the 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.000 next Bubba Watson. Bubba Watston's one to one, and you 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.440 think about the great players, they're almost all one of one's. 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.280 Well, the pressures though, you know the pressures on kids 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.600 now though, and there's so much information. I mean, there 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.680 was a phase about eighteen months ago where you coat 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.560 a junior golf tour and every kid in the rains 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.560 was giving it the old George ginks knees. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.640 Separating that phase might fly, Hi maut real real quick. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.919 Yeah, so yeah, getting back to your original party or 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.600 your point and my point, you'll going back to Westwood 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:30.159 and Michael Welsh. I mean, how did that happen? Michael 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.679 Welsh was the can't miss kid. He really was. He 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.840 could not miss and lo behold, Michael Welsh is now 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:37.719 working for the Lee Westwood Foundation. I think I think 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.800 he's a coach. He coaches kids in the Westwood Foundation. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.520 Really interesting guy and it's a real I always say 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.960 Stacy Lewis keeping back to Stacy Lewis coach. I love 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.000 Stacy Lewis. She said that nobody needs to be the 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.080 best when you're fifteen, you don't, you know, and everybody's 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.720 in such a you know, such a hurry these days. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.480 So you're right, everybody's in such a hurry. So what 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.240 do you start when you start chasing a swing? You 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:05.040 start chasing this coach, you start chasing that coach, this technique, 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.080 you know, instead of just sticking with what you've got. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.399 And I'm looking at you over the medium in the 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.600 long term. And again, the problem with college a lot 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:15.679 of coaches are there. They're all about the moment. I 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.880 spoke to Pete Counting about this once and he's seen. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:19.680 The problem with college golf in the station is it's 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.879 about winning. I mean, if I'm a college coach, I'm 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.160 desperate to it. If I don't win, I'm losing my job. 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.399 I mean, you can understand it, but it's probably not 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.560 the best, probably not the best for the kids in 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.680 the program, because you know that coach is just coaching 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.879 you win in the moment. If I'm a kid at 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:35.960 college and thinking, well, I want to be I want 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:37.960 to be ready for when I'm twenty three years old 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.240 and trying to get on the PGA tour. So I 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.480 want my development to be time for that moment. But 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.159 the coach. The coach has different priorities. Anyway, it's a 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.480 I think the long and Shore and Andy. It's a 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.439 it's a complicated world out there, and now that of 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.280 us have to we're not making it so we don't 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:54.120 have to worry about it. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.440 Well, I mean, now we're fifteen vic in. We haven't 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.840 really talked about that. You know, there's so much Ryder 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.520 Cup content out there. This might be a good departure 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.879 for people, but we're doing our traditional five things. We 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.919 do this before every major championship. We're extending it to 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.600 the Ryder Cup. Lawrence has provided five things. I've provided 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.280 I've I've got five things ready to go. Well, this 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.480 is now a sixth. I'm going to boot one out, 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.480 but I'm going to Pigeon Tale. I'm gonna tie it 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.480 together with what we were just talking about, youth. I mean, 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.359 this is the thing we've got. This US team is 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.560 I think I saw a chart. It's the youngest team. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:31.960 Yep. 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.320 Europe is very a very old team. And obviously this 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.760 is all based off of averages. So outliers like West 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.040 Eve pull that average up. But y'all, you know, the 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.760 US team is one of the is the youngest team 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.399 I think that they've ever had. And what I find 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.360 kind of most interesting about this in our discussion, what 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.560 we talked about before, is like, there are these guys 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.040 that are on these on this team that we are 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.120 going to pencil in and we're gonna say these these 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.399 are the next, you know, the next ten Ryder Cups 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.520 or the next five Ryder Cups. These are gonna be 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.240 the studs. But the reality and what we've learned with 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.760 players like brooks Kopka is the guys that are the 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.320 best at age twenty two, twenty three, twenty four aren't 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.440 always the best at age twenty eight. Brooks Kopka was 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.640 on nobody's Ryder Cup radar when he was twenty four, 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.359 and now you know he is a four time major 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.919 winner and seemingly will be a stalwart all the time. 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.359 And obviously with the European guys, you got Victor Hovlin, 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:34.000 who's probably, you know, the brightest young player in the 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:37.920 euro corral. So youth is definitely a story this year, 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.840 and I guess that ties together with Ryder Cup rookies, 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:42.200 a term that I hate. 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.480