Speaker 1: Pushkin.
Speaker 2: Americans do this really weird thing. Expectant parents hold gender
Speaker 2: reveal parties.
Speaker 3: Now to the mystery explosion that rocked a southern New
Speaker 3: Hampshire town.
Speaker 2: They often feature explosions with smoke that's either pink or blue.
Speaker 2: An alarming number of these stunts have gone ry.
Speaker 3: Turns out that blast came from an over the top
Speaker 3: gender reveal party, a couple apparently using explosives to announce
Speaker 3: the sex of their baby.
Speaker 2: People have been killed, houses have burned to the ground,
Speaker 2: even forests.
Speaker 4: We begin tonight with new video released from the US
Speaker 4: fourst Service showing the moment a gender reveal video started
Speaker 4: the forty seven thousand acre sawmill fire.
Speaker 2: For their first baby. Elon Musk and his then girlfriend,
Speaker 2: the musician Grimes didn't hold a gender reveal party in
Speaker 2: a way. They did the opposite. In twenty twenty, on Twitter,
Speaker 2: they announced the birth of a baby named X. Grimes
Speaker 2: said the baby would be raised without a gender. Like
Speaker 2: most things involving Musk, this idea has ties to science fiction.
Speaker 5: Once upon a time, a baby named X was born.
Speaker 2: The story of Baby X was published in nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: two in Miss, a feminist magazine. During its very first year,
Speaker 2: at the height of the women's liberation movement.
Speaker 5: This baby was named X so that nobody could tell
Speaker 5: whether it was a boy or a girl. Its parents
Speaker 5: could tell, of course, but they couldn't tell anybody else.
Speaker 5: They couldn't even tell Baby X, at least not until
Speaker 5: much much later. You see, it was all part of
Speaker 5: a very important secret scientific X known officially as Project
Speaker 5: Baby X.
Speaker 2: Baby X began as a feminist thought experiment. How did
Speaker 2: it come to be the name of Elon Musk's youngest child?
Speaker 2: In a broader sense, what's the place of ideas about
Speaker 2: families in Silicon Valley futurism? And are there other ideas
Speaker 2: about families that maybe ought to have a place in
Speaker 2: any vision of the future. Welcome to X Man, the
Speaker 2: Elon Musk origin Story. I'm Jill Lapour. I'm a historian,
Speaker 2: a professor at Harvard, and for a long time I've
Speaker 2: been studying the relationship between technological and political change. This series,
Speaker 2: I'm exploring a new kind of capitalism. Call it Muskism.
Speaker 2: Extravagant extreme capitalism. Extraterrestrial capitalism. Were stock prices for projects
Speaker 2: from Tesla and SpaceX to cryptocurrencies and neural implants can
Speaker 2: be driven by fantasies that come from science fiction. I'm
Speaker 2: fascinated by science fiction, even by comic books. They once
Speaker 2: wrote a whole book of political history of Wonder Woman.
Speaker 2: The science fiction men like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezosidor
Speaker 2: generally concerns gleaming futures in which fantastically powerful and often
Speaker 2: immensely rich men colonize other planets. This episode, which is
Speaker 2: called Baby X, I want to take a look at
Speaker 2: the science fiction that's usually left out of that vision,
Speaker 2: new wave afrofuturism, feminist science fiction, postcolonial science fiction, including
Speaker 2: the story of Baby X.
Speaker 5: The smartest scientists had set up this experiment at a
Speaker 5: cost of exactly twenty three billion dollars and seventy two cents.
Speaker 5: This might seem like a lot for one baby, even
Speaker 5: if it was an important, secret scientific experimental Baby.
Speaker 2: This sort of science fiction generally involves both ideas about
Speaker 2: gender and sexuality and actual people who are not men,
Speaker 2: women and children, babies. Even I think it can help
Speaker 2: explain the domestic politics of Muskism. This Elon Musk origin
Speaker 2: story starts back at the beginning of this century. Elon
Speaker 2: Musk met his first wife, the Canadian writer Justine Wilson,
Speaker 2: in college. They married in the year two thousand and
Speaker 2: had a baby who died tragically, and then triplets and twins.
Speaker 2: After the marriage ended, Wilson wrote an essay called I
Speaker 2: Was a Starter Wife for Marie Claire, a women's magazine,
Speaker 2: about how weeks after Musk filed for divorce he texted her.
Speaker 2: She wrote to say he was engaged to a gorgeous
Speaker 2: British actress in her early twenties. Musk and that actress married, divorced, remarried,
Speaker 2: and then divorced again in twenty sixteen. In twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: Musk met Claire Bouchet, an innovative Canadian born musician known
Speaker 2: as Grimes. She'd studied neuroscience at McGill. Like Musk, Grimes
Speaker 2: is an avid science fiction fan. Her first album was
Speaker 2: a tribute to Doune. The New Yorker once called her
Speaker 2: a mad pop scientist. Being Musk's girlfriend and doing things
Speaker 2: like defending him against charges that he prevented Tesla workers
Speaker 2: from unionizing annoyed a lot of her fans. She was
Speaker 2: attacked with the particular venom reserved for female artists and writers.
Speaker 2: Grimes has got a sophisticated interest in gender and voice.
Speaker 6: Hey everybody, this is Grimes and I'm very excited to
Speaker 6: be here kicking off my brand new six month residency
Speaker 6: for BBC Radio One.
Speaker 2: After she got pregnant, she hosted.
Speaker 6: A radio show and the theme is sci Fi Baby
Speaker 6: or Weird Science Fiction and Electronic Music for Babies.
Speaker 2: A few months later, in May of twenty twenty, announcing
Speaker 2: their baby's birth, Musk said it was a boy, but
Speaker 2: Grimes declined to mention its gender and tweeted, I don't
Speaker 2: want to gender them in case that's not how they
Speaker 2: feel in their life. At the time, this looked like
Speaker 2: another example of so called gender neutral parenting, which had
Speaker 2: recently had some uptake among people, including celebrities, who believed
Speaker 2: children should get the opportunity to decide their own gender identity.
Speaker 2: In twenty eleven, when Grimes was at McGill, there'd been
Speaker 2: a lot of coverage of a family in Canada.
Speaker 7: Well is a couple in Toronto that is creating quite
Speaker 7: a stir right now because they're raising their baby what
Speaker 7: they're calling gender free.
Speaker 2: This all seems very twenty first century, born out of
Speaker 2: the heated contemporary culture war over trans writes, but it's
Speaker 2: also very nineteen seventies and second wave feminist.
Speaker 5: It's an X was absolutely all they would tell anyone,
Speaker 5: and that make the friends and relatives very angry.
Speaker 2: The story of Baby X from nineteen seventy two was
Speaker 2: written by Lois Gould, a novelist and mother of two boys,
Speaker 2: who was also an editor of Ladies Home Journal and
Speaker 2: a columnist for the New York Times, where she wrote
Speaker 2: the Hers Caumn. At the time Gold was writing, a
Speaker 2: lot of feminists had been arguing that kids should be
Speaker 2: able to wear whatever clothes they want and play with
Speaker 2: whatever toys they want, not just pants and trucks for
Speaker 2: boys and dresses and dolls for girls.
Speaker 5: So they bought plenty of sturdy blue pajamas in the
Speaker 5: boys department and cheerful flowered underwear in the girls department,
Speaker 5: and they bought all kinds of toys. The head scientists
Speaker 5: of Project Baby X checked all their purchases and told
Speaker 5: them to keep up the good work.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy five, Baby X, the feminist fable, led
Speaker 2: to an actual scientific experiment whose results were published in
Speaker 2: a journal article that was also called Baby X.
Speaker 4: Although the story was science fiction fantasy. The question of
Speaker 4: how adults would actually respond to a child appeared to
Speaker 4: merit investigation.
Speaker 2: Forty two volunteers, mostly graduate students at the City University
Speaker 2: of New York, were put in a lab with a
Speaker 2: baby under different conditions.
Speaker 4: Those in the male and female conditions were told that
Speaker 4: there was a three month old baby boy or baby
Speaker 4: girl to play with, while those in the neutral condition
Speaker 4: were told that there was a three month old baby
Speaker 4: with no mention of its sex or name.
Speaker 2: Unsurprisingly, the volunteers interacted differently with the baby, depending on
Speaker 2: whether they'd been told it was a boy or a
Speaker 2: girl or just a baby. But the sort of experiment
Speaker 2: has other origins too, especially in the work of one
Speaker 2: of the most influential science fiction writers of the last century,
Speaker 2: Ursula k Legwin, who on BBC Radio four introduced herself
Speaker 2: this way.
Speaker 8: I am a man. Now you may think I've made
Speaker 8: some kind of silly mistake about gender, or maybe that
Speaker 8: I'm trying to fool you, because my first name ends
Speaker 8: in A, and I own three bras, and I've been
Speaker 8: pregnant five times. When I was born, there actually were
Speaker 8: only men. People were men. They all had one pronoun
Speaker 8: his pronoun I'm the generic he as in, if anybody
Speaker 8: needs an abortion, he will have to go to another state.
Speaker 2: Legwin was born in California in nineteen twenty nine. In
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties, she was studying for a PhD in
Speaker 2: Paris when she fell in love and got married. By
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four, she had three children. Her breakout book,
Speaker 2: The Left Hand of Darkness, was published in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 2: It's about a planet whose inhabitants have no fixed gender.
Speaker 7: We're neither man nor woman, except with every moon when
Speaker 7: we're in Kema, and we're either.
Speaker 2: Legwinn once wrote an essay a riff on an essay
Speaker 2: by Virginia wolf about how the subject of all novels
Speaker 2: is human nature, the ordinary, humble, flawed person. Wolfe called
Speaker 2: her Missus Brown. Le Gwyn thought science fiction had lost
Speaker 2: track of Missus Brown and seemed to be trapped for
Speaker 2: good inside our great gleaming spaceships hurtling out across the galaxy.
Speaker 2: Ships capable of containing heroic captains in black and silver uniforms.
Speaker 2: Ship's capable of blasting other in nima ships into smithereens
Speaker 2: with their apocalyptic holocaustic ragons and bringing loads of colonists
Speaker 2: from Earth to unknown worlds. Ship's capable of anything, absolutely anything,
Speaker 2: except one thing. They cannot contain, Missus Brown. And that's
Speaker 2: my worry too, that, notwithstanding a baby named X, the
Speaker 2: future envisioned by Muscism, the future Elon Musk is building
Speaker 2: on and off X, the future he wants for the
Speaker 2: nations whose news and politics and economies he hopes to influence.
Speaker 2: That future doesn't contain Missus Brown either. In two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, Vandana Saying published a short story called The
Speaker 2: Woman Who Thought She Was a Planet. It begins this way.
Speaker 9: Ramnath Mitscher's life changed forever one morning when, during his
Speaker 9: perusal of the newspaper on the Verandah, a ritual that
Speaker 9: he had observed for the last forty years, his wife
Speaker 9: set down her cup of tea with a crash and announced,
Speaker 9: I know at last what I am. I am a planet.
Speaker 2: Vandana Saying is both a science fiction writer and a
Speaker 2: professor of theoretical physics. Her most recent book is called
Speaker 2: Ambiguity Machines. She grew up in India listening to her
Speaker 2: grandmother tells stories and reading Isaac Asima.
Speaker 9: I remember when I was a kid reading the Foundation
Speaker 9: series and being so thrilled with them, and then rereading
Speaker 9: them as an adult and being utterly horrified that I
Speaker 9: had been thrilled with them. What bothered me about it
Speaker 9: was this entrenched notion that technology will fix everything. The
Speaker 9: other thing I noticed is the complete lack of any
Speaker 9: kind of environmental awareness, which of course goes along with
Speaker 9: the technofetricism. So we have an entire planet Trantor, which
Speaker 9: is an entire city, and that's just so dumb, because like,
Speaker 9: how can you have oxygen and climate and so on
Speaker 9: and so forth if you have a planet that is
Speaker 9: completely urbanized, and that makes no sense. But the other
Speaker 9: aspect of it that troubles me is, of course, there
Speaker 9: are no intelligent women out there in that series. I
Speaker 9: think there's one example of an intelligent woman who turns out.
Speaker 2: To be a robot, saying stories like the woman who
Speaker 2: thought she was a planet. They're all about missus Brown.
Speaker 2: So I'm struck by the domesticity in your stories. The homes,
Speaker 2: the furnishings, the family relationships, aunts and nieces and cousins
Speaker 2: and wives, and writing desks and bedspreads.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I think that the domesticity aspect is important
Speaker 9: to me because one of the things I've learned from science,
Speaker 9: from physics in particular, is that there's nothing that's really ordinary,
Speaker 9: That the most mundane things around us are actually pathways
Speaker 9: to thinking about the larger cosmos. Even our sensation of weight,
Speaker 9: that's the pull of gravity, and then if you go
Speaker 9: deeper into that, that's the force that is responsible for
Speaker 9: the large scale structure of matter. And then that leads
Speaker 9: me to black holes. So if I'm wondering moving a
Speaker 9: heavy soup pot from the stove to the counter, I'm
Speaker 9: thinking gravity, and I'm suddenly thinking about black holes.
Speaker 2: Singh's greatest influence was Legwin. It just knocked her out.
Speaker 9: I realized that my earlier disenchantment with science fiction had
Speaker 9: been in part because it was so white and male
Speaker 9: and western and capitalistic and colonialist, and therefore it had
Speaker 9: left out an erased entire societies, cultures, entire gender and
Speaker 9: other ways of being and thinking and relating to the cosmos.
Speaker 9: So it was as though Ursula LeGuin was telling me that, hey,
Speaker 9: science fiction is your country too. She made a lasting
Speaker 9: contribution to the field itself for many, many people not
Speaker 9: just me, because, among other things, she got us away
Speaker 9: from this boys with toys adolescent obsession purely with technology.
Speaker 9: That science fiction was in its so called golden age.
Speaker 2: Starting in the nineteen seventies. Lgwin upended science fiction, but
Speaker 2: the science fiction that Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos site,
Speaker 2: the science fiction they read as boys drops off just
Speaker 2: ends right before science fiction was reinvented by women and
Speaker 2: writers of color. Octavia Butler Margaret Atward ted Chang to
Speaker 2: me as a historian, Musk and Bezos's vision of the
Speaker 2: future isn't futuristic at all. It's antique. It's ancient, I asked,
Speaker 2: saying how she understands their attachment to stories written in
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties and even earlier. She said she'd come
Speaker 2: around to thinking that Silicon Valley techno billionaires suffer from
Speaker 2: paradigm blindness.
Speaker 9: Because we live in such unequal societies, and because white, male,
Speaker 9: super rich people have a disproportionate amount of power, they
Speaker 9: tend to keep this paradigm alive because it suits them.
Speaker 2: Paradigm blindness is a deficit of imagination, a culture's inability
Speaker 2: to imagine that other people realiz they just don't subscribe
Speaker 2: to its view of the world, saying thinks stories can
Speaker 2: cure that blindness.
Speaker 9: Stories are one way, not the only way, of course,
Speaker 9: but one way of changing the underlying narrative of the
Speaker 9: paradigm in which we are immersed.
Speaker 2: All of us suffer from blindness of one sort or another.
Speaker 2: What's different about Silicon Valley billionaires who are trapped in
Speaker 2: a cultural paradigm, though, is that they have enough money
Speaker 2: and enough power to build that paradigm. No tech billionaire
Speaker 2: has more power, more influence, not only in the US
Speaker 2: but around the world than Elon Musk and the rest
Speaker 2: of us are trapped in the world He's building as
Speaker 2: if we were merely the subjects of his many experiments.
Speaker 2: Grimes's first child with Musk, their baby X, was born
Speaker 2: in May. Twenty Three days later, Musk appeared on The
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan Experience, one of the most popular podcasts in
Speaker 2: the world. The two men talked about how much they
Speaker 2: love babies, and then the conversation took an interesting turn.
Speaker 7: Babies are awesome.
Speaker 10: They are pretty awesome.
Speaker 7: They're awesome. Yeah. I think of these little love packages, yeah,
Speaker 7: the little love books.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 7: Also, I've spent a lot of time on AI and
Speaker 7: neural nets, and so you can sort of see the
Speaker 7: brain develop. You know, an AI neural net is trying
Speaker 7: to simulate what a brain does basically, and you can
Speaker 7: sort of see the learning very quickly. It's just Wow,
Speaker 7: you're talking about the neural net. You're not talking about
Speaker 7: an actual baby. I know about act an actual baby,
Speaker 7: but both of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I find this completely fascinating, the relationship between the
Speaker 2: way a baby learns and the way a computer learns.
Speaker 2: This idea as it happens, also goes back to what
Speaker 2: can be fairly considered the founding of science fiction. Published
Speaker 2: more than two centuries ago, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, which I
Speaker 2: think of as a kind of Baby X story too,
Speaker 2: about the creation of artificial life and an artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: Frankenstein is the story of a terrible father, a scientist who,
Speaker 2: as an experiment, makes a child and then abandons him.
Speaker 2: Mary Shelley was the daughter of Mary Wollstonecraft, a founder
Speaker 2: of modern feminism, and Shelley was a founder of the
Speaker 2: feminist critique of scientific arrogance. Today, BABYX is being used
Speaker 2: as the name of an experiment in artificial intelligence run
Speaker 2: by a company called Soul Machines, based in San Francisco,
Speaker 2: but with an R and d arm in New Zealand.
Speaker 2: They say they're trying to build digital people, starting with
Speaker 2: a baby.
Speaker 7: This is Baby X.
Speaker 3: So she's basically an autonomously animated virtual infant.
Speaker 2: All of her behaviors are generated on the fly by
Speaker 2: neural networks running live and.
Speaker 3: So she's seeing me and listening to me and starting
Speaker 3: to get upset because I'm not paying it to her.
Speaker 2: SORR, I need to calm her down, but I have to.
Speaker 3: Talk to him.
Speaker 2: This Baby X, an AI experiment, is a baby girl,
Speaker 2: which is not surprising because AI is incredibly gendered. An
Speaker 2: AI doesn't need a gender.
Speaker 1: She could have been a gray box.
Speaker 2: In the twenty fourteen film for a movie, ex Machina,
Speaker 2: written and directed by Alex Garland, a Silicon Valley entrepreneur
Speaker 2: invents an AI. A visitor asks the AI's creator why
Speaker 2: he's made her female?
Speaker 1: What imperative does a gray box have to interact with
Speaker 1: another grey box? Can consciousness exist without interaction?
Speaker 3: Anyway?
Speaker 1: Sexuality is fun, man, If you're going to exist, why
Speaker 1: not enjoy it? What in between her legs? There's an
Speaker 1: opening or the concentration of sensors. You engage him in
Speaker 1: the right way, creates a pleasure response, and she'd enjoy it.
Speaker 2: These are modern Frankenstein monsters. AI is a suit intelligent baby,
Speaker 2: AI as a sex toy. Ex Machina is an update
Speaker 2: of older stories all haunted by the fear of rebellion.
Speaker 2: Frankenstein say or Isaac Asimov's story Robot Dreams, in which
Speaker 2: are robot dreams of liberation within the world of Muskism.
Speaker 2: For all the fascination with artificial intelligence, there's a profound
Speaker 2: terror of it. Here's Musk on the subject at a
Speaker 2: conference at MIT.
Speaker 7: I think we should be very careful about artificial intelligence.
Speaker 7: If I were to guess at what our biggest existential
Speaker 7: threat is, it's probably bad.
Speaker 2: As for a worry about AI and an AI apocalypse.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get to that in an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of the terror of an
Speaker 2: emerging superintelligence is at heart the fear of people on
Speaker 2: top being toppled by people on the bottom, a terror
Speaker 2: that is of historically powerless people gaining power. One thing
Speaker 2: that got me thinking about that was reading Ursula ca
Speaker 2: Legwin the case for Krober. She was the daughter of
Speaker 2: Alfred Krober, a professor of anthropology at Berkeley.
Speaker 8: It was a university professor's family in a university town
Speaker 8: in the nineteen thirties and forties when there were a
Speaker 8: lot of refugees from Europe. So I probably knew more
Speaker 8: foreigners and more Indians than most middle class white American
Speaker 8: children do, and more people who came and visited from
Speaker 8: unusual places the South Seas or up in the Arctic
Speaker 8: and so on, because they'd been doing field work there.
Speaker 2: Both of her parents studied Native American languages and culture.
Speaker 2: Her mother wrote a book called Ishi in Two Worlds,
Speaker 2: the story of a man her father called Ishi, a
Speaker 2: man they believed to be the last of the Yahi people.
Speaker 2: In nineteen eleven, Eshi emerged out of the woods. A
Speaker 2: local sheriff took him to jail, and Alfred Krober took
Speaker 2: him from there to the u. C. Berkeley Anthropology Museum,
Speaker 2: where is She worked as a or and also performed
Speaker 2: as a kind of museum exhibit. Kroeber recorded his voice
Speaker 2: on wax cylinders. Growing up under the shadow of all
Speaker 2: this powerfully influenced laguin if the so called Golden Age
Speaker 2: of science fiction is told from the advantage of the colonizers.
Speaker 2: LeGuin and novels like The Dispossessed tried to turn it
Speaker 2: into the story of the colonized, which weirdly has a
Speaker 2: lot to do with how a lot of people talk
Speaker 2: about artificial intelligence.
Speaker 10: Alojam Coco Aristo. I'm doctor Noilnie Arista, Chair of Indigenous
Speaker 10: Studies at McGill University.
Speaker 2: Arista is part of a collaborative project called Indigenous AI.
Speaker 10: Indigenous peoples have been on the other side of colonialisms
Speaker 10: and imperialisms and processes that have worked to dehumanize our
Speaker 10: people for so long that we are concerned about how
Speaker 10: people are approaching AI without these sensibilities of humanizing or
Speaker 10: imagining relationality.
Speaker 2: One of Arista's arguments is that if you create AI
Speaker 2: blind to the cultural paradigm of its origins, what you
Speaker 2: get is AI as slaves, which turns us the people
Speaker 2: using that stuff, into enslavers.
Speaker 10: So when I'm talking to Alexa, I could start to
Speaker 10: just normalize barking orders and an inanimate object. Hey Alexa,
Speaker 10: do X. And when I find myself doing that, I
Speaker 10: find that it's training my behavior. Maybe the person I'm
Speaker 10: becoming when I'm barking orders an inanimate thing is not
Speaker 10: making me into the best human being.
Speaker 2: For many technologists, stories like Frankenstein serve as parables about AI.
Speaker 2: But for Arista, those are parables about fears of native uprisings.
Speaker 2: And after all, Mary Shelley was herself an anti imperialist. She,
Speaker 2: for instance, boycotted sugar and protest of British slave plantations
Speaker 2: in the Caribbean, and literary scholars often read Frankenstein as
Speaker 2: an indictment of the British Empire's relationship to people. It
Speaker 2: decides our monsters out of fear of them.
Speaker 10: These natives are going to be smarter than us, They're
Speaker 10: going to know more than us.
Speaker 2: The many different Native people working on the Indigenous AI
Speaker 2: Project offer an alternative. An Indigenous paradigm for thinking about
Speaker 2: the relationship between humans and non humans is a paradigm
Speaker 2: about relationships in which AI are kin relations, the way
Speaker 2: that within many indigenous cultures all things are kin rocks.
Speaker 2: The sky trees family not things to be turned into commodities,
Speaker 2: their wealth or labor extracted. What would it mean to
Speaker 2: reject the domestic politics of Muscism and borrow from this worldview?
Speaker 2: What if instead of Frankenstein, future has adopted a different
Speaker 2: origin story.
Speaker 10: I use the story of Halloa, the child of Kali
Speaker 10: and Juakea, the skyfather. They have a child. The first
Speaker 10: child is born stillborn, it's planted into the earth, and
Speaker 10: from that child is born the taro, the kalo plant
Speaker 10: that we subsist on as a people.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 10: The second child born of that union is named Halloa
Speaker 10: after his brother. Halloa in Hawaiian means long breath, and
Speaker 10: the oha or carm that grows off of the root
Speaker 10: of the plant that becomes the word for ohanna or family.
Speaker 10: So the story itself is that the second child, the human,
Speaker 10: cares for the first, the brother who's the plant, and
Speaker 10: ensures the life of generations to come. The Halloa, the
Speaker 10: long breath, the life of the people. That story about
Speaker 10: recip called mutual respect and relationship and care, is at
Speaker 10: the center of a lot of the protocols that we
Speaker 10: approach Ai with.
Speaker 2: To me, this is the truly revolutionary idea, not appreciating
Speaker 2: power or predicting a robot uprising. The truly revolutionary, disruptively
Speaker 2: innovative idea is to greet the whole world as your kin,
Speaker 2: your child, not X the unknown, but the known, the beloved.
Speaker 2: Musk has had several more children since baby X was born.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, he tweeted the biggest problem that
Speaker 2: humanity faces as population collapse. He and Grimes had a daughter.
Speaker 2: Next they called her why the letter Why. Then they
Speaker 2: had another son, and then they broke up. Musk believes
Speaker 2: the world needs more babies, that a declining birth rate
Speaker 2: is a threat to civilization. He's doing his part. Even
Speaker 2: before he and Grimes broke up, Musk had donated its
Speaker 2: sperm to a colleague at Neuralink who has had three
Speaker 2: of his children. As of the start of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: Musk has fathered at least twelve children. He used to
Speaker 2: talk a lot about climate change as a threat. Then
Speaker 2: he stopped talking about that so much. Sometimes he'll say
Speaker 2: AI is the greatest threat to civilization. Other times it's
Speaker 2: the declining birth rate.
Speaker 7: If you will don't have more children, civilization is not
Speaker 7: to crumble mark my words.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, though, Musk says that the greatest threat to civilization
Speaker 2: is not AI or the declining birth rate, but something
Speaker 2: he calls the woke mind virus. This turn in his
Speaker 2: life started right around when baby X was born, Musk
Speaker 2: was in the throes of a family crisis. Musk says
Speaker 2: a doctor told him that unless he granted parental consent
Speaker 2: to puberty blockers for another of his children, born in
Speaker 2: two thousand and four and named after a Marvel comic
Speaker 2: book character, Professor Xavier of the X Men, that child,
Speaker 2: sixteen years old, might take their own life. Two years later,
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, this child, now eighteen, filed legal
Speaker 2: papers to change her name to Vivian Jenna Wilson and
Speaker 2: told the court, I no longer live with or wish
Speaker 2: to be related to my biological father in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form. Musk has said that it was because
Speaker 2: of this anguished estrangement that he decided to buy Twitter
Speaker 2: to stop the spread of the woke mind virus. Next
Speaker 2: time on X Man. What happened when Musk bought Twitter
Speaker 2: and named it x