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Speaker 1: Pushkin.

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Speaker 2: Americans do this really weird thing. Expectant parents hold gender

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Speaker 2: reveal parties.

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Speaker 3: Now to the mystery explosion that rocked a southern New

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Speaker 2: They often feature explosions with smoke that's either pink or blue.

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Speaker 2: An alarming number of these stunts have gone ry.

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Speaker 3: Turns out that blast came from an over the top

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Speaker 2: People have been killed, houses have burned to the ground,

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Speaker 4: We begin tonight with new video released from the US

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Speaker 4: the forty seven thousand acre sawmill fire.

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Speaker 2: For their first baby. Elon Musk and his then girlfriend,

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Speaker 2: the musician Grimes didn't hold a gender reveal party in

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Speaker 2: a way. They did the opposite. In twenty twenty, on Twitter,

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Speaker 2: they announced the birth of a baby named X. Grimes

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Speaker 2: said the baby would be raised without a gender. Like

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Speaker 2: most things involving Musk, this idea has ties to science fiction.

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Speaker 5: Once upon a time, a baby named X was born.

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Speaker 2: The story of Baby X was published in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 2: two in Miss, a feminist magazine. During its very first year,

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Speaker 5: This baby was named X so that nobody could tell

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Speaker 5: They couldn't even tell Baby X, at least not until

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Speaker 5: much much later. You see, it was all part of

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Speaker 5: a very important secret scientific X known officially as Project

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Speaker 5: Baby X.

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Speaker 2: Baby X began as a feminist thought experiment. How did

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Speaker 2: it come to be the name of Elon Musk's youngest child?

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Speaker 2: In a broader sense, what's the place of ideas about

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Speaker 2: any vision of the future. Welcome to X Man, the

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk origin Story. I'm Jill Lapour. I'm a historian,

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Speaker 2: a professor at Harvard, and for a long time I've

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Speaker 2: been studying the relationship between technological and political change. This series,

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Speaker 2: I'm exploring a new kind of capitalism. Call it Muskism.

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Speaker 2: Extravagant extreme capitalism. Extraterrestrial capitalism. Were stock prices for projects

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Speaker 2: from Tesla and SpaceX to cryptocurrencies and neural implants can

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Speaker 2: be driven by fantasies that come from science fiction. I'm

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Speaker 2: fascinated by science fiction, even by comic books. They once

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Speaker 2: wrote a whole book of political history of Wonder Woman.

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Speaker 2: The science fiction men like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezosidor

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Speaker 2: generally concerns gleaming futures in which fantastically powerful and often

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Speaker 2: immensely rich men colonize other planets. This episode, which is

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Speaker 2: the science fiction that's usually left out of that vision,

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Speaker 2: new wave afrofuturism, feminist science fiction, postcolonial science fiction, including

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Speaker 5: The smartest scientists had set up this experiment at a

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Speaker 5: cost of exactly twenty three billion dollars and seventy two cents.

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Speaker 5: This might seem like a lot for one baby, even

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Speaker 2: This sort of science fiction generally involves both ideas about

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Speaker 2: explain the domestic politics of Muskism. This Elon Musk origin

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Speaker 2: After the marriage ended, Wilson wrote an essay called I

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Speaker 2: Was a Starter Wife for Marie Claire, a women's magazine,

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Speaker 2: Musk met Claire Bouchet, an innovative Canadian born musician known

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Speaker 2: Grimes has got a sophisticated interest in gender and voice.

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Speaker 2: In twenty eleven, when Grimes was at McGill, there'd been

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Speaker 2: This all seems very twenty first century, born out of

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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy five, Baby X, the feminist fable, led

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Speaker 4: Although the story was science fiction fantasy. The question of

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Speaker 2: Legwin was born in California in nineteen twenty nine. In

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Speaker 2: It's about a planet whose inhabitants have no fixed gender.

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Speaker 2: my worry too, that, notwithstanding a baby named X, the

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Speaker 2: That future doesn't contain Missus Brown either. In two thousand

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Speaker 2: Woman Who Thought She Was a Planet. It begins this way.

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Speaker 9: Ramnath Mitscher's life changed forever one morning when, during his

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Speaker 2: To be a robot, saying stories like the woman who

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Speaker 2: So I'm struck by the domesticity in your stories. The homes,

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Speaker 9: That the most mundane things around us are actually pathways

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Speaker 2: he calls the woke mind virus. This turn in his

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Speaker 2: life started right around when baby X was born, Musk

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Speaker 2: was in the throes of a family crisis. Musk says

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Speaker 2: a doctor told him that unless he granted parental consent

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Speaker 2: to puberty blockers for another of his children, born in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and four and named after a Marvel comic

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Speaker 2: book character, Professor Xavier of the X Men, that child,

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Speaker 2: sixteen years old, might take their own life. Two years later,

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, this child, now eighteen, filed legal

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Speaker 2: papers to change her name to Vivian Jenna Wilson and

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Speaker 2: told the court, I no longer live with or wish

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Speaker 2: to be related to my biological father in any way,

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Speaker 2: shape or form. Musk has said that it was because

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Speaker 2: of this anguished estrangement that he decided to buy Twitter

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Speaker 2: to stop the spread of the woke mind virus. Next

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Speaker 2: time on X Man. What happened when Musk bought Twitter

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Speaker 2: and named it x