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Speaker 1: Fox News Channels, Tucker Carlson Tonight this is where it

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Speaker 1: and Tucker Carlson Originals, which got Crian wondering, Um, since

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Speaker 1: Tonight is encapsulated in Today, what's the different scene in

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Speaker 1: Hit me with a bunch of superlatives you have, like

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Speaker 1: you're the you're the most watched cable news commentator, cable

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Speaker 1: because they were talking the same language, because they're rooted

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Speaker 1: And how are you saving it? And how is it improving?

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Speaker 1: fishing trip to Louisiana. I'm fresh off fishing trip to Louisiana. Seth,

425
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: don't get in the water. I've told anybody this. I was,

426
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: I was rasing. I was like, Seth, he's not like.

427
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: He doesn't like he loves the water, doesn't want to

428
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Speaker 1: be in it. I love boats, he likes It's not

429
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: he likes the water. He likes boats. Uh. I kept

430
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: harrassing about why he wouldn't get in there and take

431
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: a take a little shot or two with the spear gun,

432
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: and he clarified to me he likes to bring the

433
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: fish to him, Yeah, that's right. I need to go

434
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: like boats, I like rodding reels. Doesn't need to go

435
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: in there with them. But we were. This is the

436
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: thing that I've been wanting to do for a long time.

437
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: My god, it was fun. We were diving the oil rigs.

438
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: So it's like it's hard to even explain, man, thousands

439
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: of oil oil platforms to do all manner of things

440
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Speaker 1: out How many miles out there we go? I think

441
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: just over seventy. Yeah, we had a distinct advantage because

442
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: our buddies had just speared a our bodies were down

443
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: there to do. Um who they both been on the podcast,

444
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: Greg Fonts and Alex were no and you want to

445
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: see some full circle, full circling. These two are featured

446
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: in the Close Calls the Mediator's Campfire Stories Close Calls edition.

447
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: They're featured in the Close Calls with spear Fishing Close Calls.

448
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: Um hell's that saying about us? Seth? They were down

449
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: there doing something. Oh, they were there for a spear

450
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: fishing tournament. So they had already like beyond scouted for

451
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: two days. So we got the real gravy pickings because

452
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: we went on out of the Gulf, and they knew

453
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: like that rig, that rig, that rig. When the Mississippi

454
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: flows out, it's got like a murky fresh water and

455
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: freshwater lays on the salt water. So when you go

456
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: up to a rig, like you get out of the

457
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: boat and swim up to a rig, you can't see

458
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: anything man Like you can hold your hand out and

459
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: can't see your fingertips. In fact, you can't reload your

460
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: spear gun at the surface without moving it around to

461
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,239
Speaker 1: see what's going on, Like you can't see the other

462
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: end of the gun. But when you dive down from

463
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: three ft to fifteen ft, all of a sudden, it's

464
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: like you like enter the blue water. Like it's just

465
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: it's like someone pulling back the curtains. So you dive

466
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: down and you get through that muddy murk. And also

467
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: it's like the whole world opens up unbelievable, unbelievable fish uh,

468
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: which gives me to this point. These guys, you know,

469
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: you'll get we were we we went out one time,

470
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: fire out to try chumming. So we're chumming. What was

471
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: that fish we're chumming with? You remember not bunker, No,

472
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I don't remember the name of it. Yeah,

473
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: I can't remember either. They used the word I wasn't

474
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Speaker 1: familiar with. I bet I would know it by a

475
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: different name. They use a lot of the guys on

476
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: there use a lot of French words in it. That

477
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: all their ducks, the Cajuns, all their ducks that use

478
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: the French word for the duck. Um. Sharks show up

479
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: like like a mofo when you're doing this, and these guys,

480
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: when a shark comes in and he starts getting like

481
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: kind of aggressive, what's funny is they're very good at

482
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: reading the shark's mood and they'll go in and chase

483
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: him like they dived down and chase him off, dive

484
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: down and maybe like pokem or hit him in the

485
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: nose to run him off, like you're running off a dog. Ah.

486
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Speaker 1: And we had a recent episode we do with Kimmy

487
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: Werner and she talked about the same thing. And I

488
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: was remarking on her going down and confronting sharks, diving

489
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Speaker 1: down to him to confront him to get him to

490
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Speaker 1: move away. And this guy was saying he was listening

491
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: to Kimmy's hot tip about this, and he was surfing

492
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: at Dana Point California, and there was a great white

493
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: that was hanging around there and he charged at it

494
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: with his surfboard and spooked it off. It's huge. Yeah,

495
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: gotta took Kimmy's advice, got aggressive on it. It left

496
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: and never came back, so he says. But he also

497
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: mentions that he did not stay in the water. He

498
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: returned the shore immediately. I didn't read it that far. Yeah,

499
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: So did the shark leave or did he leave a

500
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: little bit of both, but he did successfully charge the shark.

501
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: The fin disappeared, never to be seen again. But his

502
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: vantage point from thereafter was from the shore looking out,

503
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: not the surfboard looking down. He includes some beautiful photographs

504
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: of the shark. Gorgeous. I like that shark a lot. Okay,

505
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: now turn the attention is our last thing before we

506
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: get to our guests. But this is this is sizeable, right.

507
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: Are we ready to move on? Spencer has been advocating

508
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: can I just tell him? Can we can just do

509
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: you care if it's like kind of post modern feeling

510
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: where we talk about talking about it, take the lead,

511
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: go ahead, you don't care. It's very it's postmodern, it's

512
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, it's show businesses to thing called the

513
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: fourth wall. Um, what you can imagine like whilet's stay

514
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: watching the sitcom, you can see what's happened ng on

515
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: three of the walls, right, like they come in the

516
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: husband wife get an argument that the kids say something sassy. Right,

517
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: you can see like three walls, but you never see

518
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: the fourth wall. That's where the cameras so in show

519
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: business will say that we broke the fourth wall. We're

520
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: breaking the fourth wall. Spencer has been advocating heavily that

521
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: we need to have a trivia, a trivia element, an

522
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: occasional trivial trivia element to the show. Um, and I

523
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: think it's got a lot of legs, and I see

524
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: our path toward of board game. There's a lot of

525
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: writing on this. If Spencer does, if he's good, that

526
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: he has a bright future. These are trivia questions curated

527
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: by me. You're not gonna find them anywhere else. Not

528
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: trivia questions you're gonna get in trivial Pursuit or on

529
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: Jeopardy Where your neighborhood bar and grill. This is exclusive

530
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: to the Mediator podcast, but it's informed by audience correct,

531
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: It's informed by things that people want to know these

532
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: questions are born out of meat eaters for verticals. Tell

533
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: what they are Steve hunting, fishing, wild foods, and conservation.

534
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: That's right. And we have ten questions and there is

535
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: a prize, so we have steaks, So no cheating off,

536
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: Tucker cal when when you're writing down here, I want

537
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: you to know, man, you don't have to participate. I

538
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: was on Jeopardy about like like a celebrity Jeopardy or

539
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: it was he was the bullshit edition, and you know

540
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: I knew him. He was a nice guy. No, it

541
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: was it was, Oh god, he's so unimpressive from also

542
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: from Michigan. I'm sorry, No, Bob Woodward. The journalists, yeah,

543
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: the journalist. And he didn't tear it up. No, he's

544
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: a little slow. Actually, it was sort of surprised. And

545
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: Peggy new In, who's very nice person. Why do you

546
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: say it was bullshit? Do you think they like come on? Yeah? Yeah,

547
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: there was like no Greek mythology and I did it

548
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: hungover and did fine. It was pretty right. So the prize,

549
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: so Spencer wanted forty five minutes, and we've negotiated down

550
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: to think we're like twenty. Yeah, but I'm very excited

551
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: about this. I think that if you I'm I hope,

552
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm I had Spencer sit. I made uh, Spencer has

553
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: Brody's chair. I wanted to be so cold, s Spencer

554
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: while he did it, to see how it went. And

555
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: the prize is meat Eater has generously agreed to donate

556
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars to a conservation organization of the winner's

557
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: choice in the winner's name. So that is what's on

558
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: the line here. And if this takes off and becomes

559
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: really good, we'll have to up the state. There we go.

560
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: This is just an introductory level. Comminder, Philik and one

561
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: of you tally up the scores for me while we

562
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: do this. Right, look on, Natan, know what I should

563
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: win everything. I'm saying, just tend to win everything. We

564
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: were ready. Everyone has a white right. None of us

565
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: know what's going on. We've never tried it. I thought

566
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: we should just shout out the answers. Yeah, the first

567
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: question is multiple choice. You're not going to get any

568
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: more multiple choice after this, so I'm giving you. Do

569
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: we keep our whole board secret? Yeah? I mean I

570
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: don't want. I don't want cal Show and Garrett, And

571
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: what I mean is we do all of that. There

572
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: will be after the first question, I will tell you

573
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: to reveal your answer, and then we'll have a moment

574
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: where we can laugh at Seth because he wrote something

575
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: dumb um and we all know what everyone's as. Probably

576
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: that's right. Multiple choice. The topic is conservation. Which one

577
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: of these conservation organizations is oldest? Wall Eyes Unlimited, Duck's Unlimited,

578
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: Trout Unlimited, or White Tails unlimited. Which one is the

579
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: oldest wal Eyes, Ducks, Trout or White Tails? Oh? Man, see,

580
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it's one of those ones where, oh,

581
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: come on, that's obvious. I know what to put. Wow,

582
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: look up. Huh. These are the only four unlimited uh

583
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: conservation organizations that I could find. But I feel like

584
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: we should start like a squirrel one at some point.

585
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we have Rocky Mountain Squirrel Foundation. Is there

586
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: really such a thing. No, we're gonna starts unofficially organization.

587
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't do anything with it. It used to be

588
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: in the Honest's bio on the website that he is

589
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: the founder of it. All right, does everyone have an answer?

590
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: Reveal your answers. We have White Tails un Limited was

591
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: found in nineteen two. Let me tell you why I

592
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: put down what I never Walleyes Unlimited was found in

593
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, Trout Unlimited in nineteen fifty five, and

594
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: Ducks Unlimited. The correct answer was nineteen thirty seven. We

595
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: got everyone did well there, listen, Here's why I thought

596
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: it was gonna be one of those got you questions.

597
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: That's kind of embarrassed. So now that I see that

598
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: you're just going for I wanted it so bad to

599
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: be Wales. And the great story about it is when

600
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: it was founded, the founder was originally just going to

601
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: just going to call it Ducks, but it was going

602
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: to be an international organization, and one of the other

603
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: founders pointed out to him that, well, this would be limited.

604
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: This would be uh categorized as a limited corporation in Canada,

605
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: so Canada would refer to it as Ducks Limited. And

606
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 1: the founders quote was, damn it, we don't want limited Ducks.

607
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: So the solution then was to name it Ducks Unlimited.

608
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: But question, it's now Duck's Unlimited limited if you like

609
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: dug around in the paperwork of what Canadians we forer

610
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: do it as I'm guessing that's would be Comma limited. Ye,

611
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: So that's and that then like I imagine Spawn Trout

612
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: to give that name in white Tails and sure everyone else.

613
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: So that's how it started, staying Canadians, you're into this,

614
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: aren't you? Hey, where's our interest? Meters Phil, there's a

615
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: lot of people in the room. I don't think I

616
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: would have had space to set it up. Turn mine

617
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: up if you can't got it. Question to the categories

618
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: public lands? Which state has the most national parks? M

619
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Speaker 1: hm oh, I mean by number, you know, the number

620
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Speaker 1: of them? Oh, I think the number of national parks.

621
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Speaker 1: Hold on a minute, man, are you talking about like

622
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Speaker 1: like uh, like what about like Gettysburg or something like

623
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Speaker 1: what what the National Park Service would identify as an

624
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: national parks? But this is not This is not square miles,

625
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: is not percentage of land, the number of them that

626
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: there are, and it is a close race at the top.

627
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: I will give you that hint. Yeah, because I think

628
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: the smallest national park on register is less than a

629
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Speaker 1: square mile of land. I believe so that I think

630
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: so that is not the question though, reminding the questions,

631
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Speaker 1: letting people know there's really there's at Which state has

632
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: the most? I don't think I have it right. What's

633
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Speaker 1: your fear do you think did you go to the

634
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Speaker 1: obvious or not obvious one on this one? Because I'm

635
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: thinking about something that's probably wrong, worked yourself into a pretzel. Yeah,

636
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm ready to tell you. Does everyone have an answer

637
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: but grudgingly reveal your answers. The only person who got

638
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: it right is Tucker. It is a California, California, California, California. Okay,

639
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: I'll put you on. California leads the nation at nine.

640
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: You then have Alaska at eight, Utah at five, in

641
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: Colorado at four. Here's why I went Alaska because you

642
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: know they have like the park, they have those like

643
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: park and preserved designations and there's a lot of them. Man,

644
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: talk about that earlier today. Explanations of why you were on. No,

645
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: you do not, but I appreciate to tell you. I'm

646
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: gonna quit doing it. I'm just gonna be wrong. I'm

647
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking for that in this game. I want

648
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: you to like make me fat chest self and explain

649
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: how wrong you got it. That kind of thing. Keep

650
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: it on. California nine, in Alaska eight, last GA eight,

651
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: Ute five, Colorado four. The nine national parks are Channel

652
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: Island's Death Valley, Joshua Tree, King's Canyon, lastin Volcanic Pinnacles,

653
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: Redwood Sequoia, and Semity. You know, uh, a little bit

654
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: of constructive feedback for you. Okay, I'm ready your You

655
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: knocked it out of the park on the first tidbit,

656
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: like the post question tidbit, the second no one wants

657
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: to hear a list of nine things. I disagree. The

658
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: second tidbit I thought was horrible. Okay, it's going forward.

659
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: Too much information, Yeah, going forward. The first tidbit was wonderful,

660
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: but it's already constrict, like you can get list nine

661
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: things to somebody. Look at look at what happened in

662
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: the competition side of things though, right we were like

663
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: had a strong heat going and all of a sudden,

664
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Speaker 1: now we have a clear front runner. Two rounds like that.

665
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: That's a mark of a good game. The tidbit was

666
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: specifically for criticizing the tidbit, and I would like the

667
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: first tidbits at a real bar. I'm rounding out your compliments.

668
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: And hey, at least he didn't slow down the podcast

669
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: or anything with that and keep us from question three.

670
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: Ready ready, I just like the point out that Karen

671
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: is also playing and she is also two for two.

672
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: Have a whiteboard, so I don't trust what she says.

673
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: I like it, Philip fact checker, I'm gonna do a

674
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: scoreboard update. That's very unnecessary. Where Steve has zero correct

675
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: and the only person in the room was zero, we're

676
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: just getting started. Question three, the topic is biology. What

677
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: is the term for when there is a distinct difference

678
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: in size or appearance between males and females of the

679
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: same species. I'll give you some examples. A female soft

680
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: shell turtle grows about twice as big as a male

681
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: soft shell turtle. A mule deer buck has antlers, well,

682
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: a mule deer dough does not. These are examples of

683
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: what biological term. It's basically, did you listen to the

684
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: last episode of the Mediator podcast? Was this talked about?

685
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: Then we're talked about. We've talked about how Neanderthals don't

686
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: seem to have exhibited it and at low levels ospreys

687
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: are extreme. Okay, does everyone have it written down? I

688
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I saze sports, so I can't. I can't.

689
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: Just sorry. The correct answer, as most folks in the

690
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: room macrofructations. The correct answer is what karine? That is ratual.

691
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: That's hot. Who got I read that? Not only do

692
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: you do? It seems like from the sculpt remains do

693
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: Neanderthals did not have as extreme a form of sexual

694
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: dimorphism is hominids or not? They were hominids as Homo sapien,

695
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: but they a Their skeletal remains exhibit the same suites

696
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: of injuries from what anthropologists call a confrontational style of hunting,

697
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: and that it seems that the women were mixing it

698
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: up with the men in big game hunting, a suite

699
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: of injuries that is reminiscent of what you see on

700
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: professional bull riders. They noted, it's a good book. I

701
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: read all that out of Okay, all right, now we

702
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: have Korean pitching a perfect game. That's the tidbit, three

703
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: for three. Yeah, but she's disqualified because Brodie, did you

704
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: get that one or not? It's only an honorable man.

705
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: Caught up Phil Question four's fishing. The fifty one bass

706
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: Master Classic, which is the super Bowl Bass Fishing, just

707
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: wrapped up in June. The annual tournament features some of

708
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: the world's most famous anglers on some of America's premier

709
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: bass lakes and rivers. You need to name one body

710
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: of water the bass Master Classic has been held on.

711
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: Has been held on, Yes, any of the fifty one events.

712
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: You need to name one of those lakes or rivers

713
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: or impoundments that the Classic has been held on. Have

714
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: to spell it right. No, I'm right there. I think

715
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: we're writing down the same lakes down. This is gonna

716
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: take me a minute to check all of your answers,

717
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: because you have about forty options. The lake is or

718
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: the the the tournament has been held on some some

719
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: duplicates at some point, so you have to bear with us.

720
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: We reveal on I see Garrett still writing Lake macro Fructation.

721
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: All right, Steve, you go first. What do we got

722
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: oka chobe Um? I don't. I don't know if that's

723
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: one of them because you sheld it so wrong. I can't.

724
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: Did you write it this way? Steve? Yeah, lake of

725
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: Lake of Florida Lake. Oh oh, he's got the same answer,

726
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: but he probably spelled about kay. I do not I

727
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: do not seek cho beyond you, Tucker, what is your answer?

728
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? How do you spell the nar? Think it's

729
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: l A and I E R in Georgia. That is

730
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: not one of them. Come on, I don't think. I

731
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: think you're like, I don't even want to show, but

732
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even know if there's bass Lake

733
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: Michigan is correct, I don't even here. Two thousand they

734
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: held the Bass Master Classic on Lake Michigan. That Wood

735
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: Davies one with twenty seven pounds. Seth, what do you

736
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: got like? Fork? He likes bass tournaments. That is not

737
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: one of the lakes. Really really, what is this? I know,

738
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: I know, I know for a fact Lake Fork was

739
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: on a stop on the series this year, not the

740
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: Master Classics, the class So what is like? What fake answer?

741
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: I had three question marks? So Garrett the person who

742
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: have you caught bass? Like? Right? Have you caught bass before? Yeah?

743
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: I do it quite a lot around here? Yeah, get

744
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: at it is the one person got it right? Yeah,

745
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: fly Rod. Mainly he's lying, like I know this year

746
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: it was held in Florida, but I forget the body

747
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: of water name or not Florida, Texas. It was in Texas. Oh,

748
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: I know what like? But I don't Ray Roberts. Roberts,

749
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of it. Okay, you got a tidbit

750
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: or no, that's it. No, I think part of your

751
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: signature deal should be a little tidbit. Yeah. Well the

752
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: tidbit was telling Garrett that it was held in two

753
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: thousand and in Wade Davies won it with twenty seven pounds. Alright.

754
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: Question five, we no longer have a perfect game from Karan.

755
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: The topic is biology. What is the color of spider blood? Spencer?

756
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: That's it, that's the whole question. What is the color

757
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: of spider blood? Is it different? You probably can't give

758
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: me a hint. Is it different inside and outside the body? Yeah?

759
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: Because right exactly. I was just thinking that exact same,

760
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: because I mean, who hasn't squashed a spider? Moved to disqualified?

761
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: That's it? I like the way you think. That's very smart.

762
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: What is the color of spider blood? Does everyone have

763
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: an answer? Oh? No, I'm changing mind because you're not

764
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: going to answer that. I thought I'm not very relevant question.

765
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: I can answer anything. This could be an overthinking underthinking situation.

766
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. So what are you doing? You reveal

767
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: your answers. The correct answer is blue? Which who got it? Cal?

768
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: Got it blue? Steve? No? I know? Is that only

769
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: Cal on that one? It is because it is because

770
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: check He's gonna go over to the corner of the

771
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: room and fact check their blood has an atom of

772
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: copper instead of iron. Like most animals. They share this

773
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: trait with snails and OCTOPI that was a good tidbit,

774
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, very good tidbit. Okay, I got a half

775
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: time round up here. We have Karin and Cal tied

776
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: for first with three, Brody Garrett tied for second, oh,

777
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: and Tucker tied for second, and then we've got Steven

778
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: Seth around it out last with one. These are hard, dude,

779
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm so depressed now. Out of all the hot tips

780
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: that we're getting out of these, I'm thinking Wade Davies

781
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: and the weight of the bass is probably the one

782
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna come in least handy. Yeah, yeah, Question six,

783
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: back to the topic of conservation. Before becoming president, Teddy

784
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: Roosevelt had held titles such as Minority Leader of the

785
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: State Assembly, President of the Police Commissioners, and governor in

786
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: what state? Teddy Roosevelt titles such as Minority Leader of

787
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: the State Assembly, President of the Police Commissioners, and governor

788
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: in what state? We have very confident, Tucker Carlson that

789
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: so far's from How about this heat, Teddy Roosevelt introduced

790
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: what caliber of side arm to the police department that

791
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: he oversaw. Yes, Spencer, I don't know. Spencer's got zero.

792
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: And he did it so they would kill fewer criminals.

793
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: True story. That's a good tidbit. Good tidbit. Does everyone

794
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: have an answer? Yeah, but I don't like mine. Reveal

795
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: your answers. The correct answer is New York, which everybody

796
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: but Garrett. Everybody but Garrett. What did you put down Garrett,

797
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: North Dakota. I didn't put down Montana, Rhode Island. Why.

798
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: It just seemed like geographically like an east somewhere. It's

799
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: like just in the east. We have a fun article

800
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: on the media dot com talking about Teddy how during

801
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: when he while he held those roles, he really loved boxing,

802
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: and there was a moment where he got hit so

803
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: hard by an intern that it made him blind in

804
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: one eye, and then he kept doing it all the

805
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: way through the White House. But somebody told them that

806
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: it was like unbecoming of a president to be walking

807
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: around with black eyes and cuts on his face, and

808
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: so he gave it up for a little bit. M hm.

809
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: Question seven, we are on public lands. What is the

810
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: deepest lake in America. What is the deepest lake in America?

811
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: I saw some fast writing so far. I see some

812
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: erasing as well, man made. I see no writing by

813
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: Steve made so far. Come man made. I'm not going

814
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: to give a hint. Oh, I see a third round

815
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: of writing from Cal once a hundred dollar donations in Oregon.

816
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: I am not giving any hints. I see everybody ready,

817
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: but Steve, I honestly don't have an answer. Just come

818
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: up with an answer that's not superior about write that

819
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: down al right? Everybody reveals your answer the correct I

820
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: was trying to think of though, So who got it right?

821
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: We had Set and Brody and Cal, Garrett Tucker. No,

822
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: I got it wrong, but I knew, but I knew

823
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: the answer. It is located in Oregon. You see what

824
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And it is point five Yeah, it is

825
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: one thousand ninety nine ft deep. And while it is

826
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: the deepest lake in the USA, it is not the

827
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: deepest lake in North America. That title is held by

828
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: the Great Slave Lake in the Northwest Territories of Canada.

829
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: That lake is two thousand ten ft deep, about sixty

830
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: ft deeper than Crater Lake. You fish that one yet,

831
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: Tucker small, it's small mouth. It's gotta be like gin

832
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: clear right, yeah, no, no, I was there in bad weather.

833
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: So tons of shoreline looks awesome. Yeah, m hm cool

834
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: lag to creep on X for no reason. Alright, we're

835
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: onto question eight. How many are There's ten questions, so

836
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: we're coming off with the end. One of the most

837
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: googled fire question is what is better between the two

838
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: seventy Winchester in the thirty odds six Springfield. We aimed

839
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: at answering this question in a recent article in media

840
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: dot Com called caliber Battle to seventy Winchester versus thirty

841
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: odds six Springfield. If you want that answer, you're gonna

842
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: have to go to the media dot com to see

843
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: the winner. George Stillers did a great job of breaking

844
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: down the two cartridges and declaring a winner. I'm not

845
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: gonna tell you who it was your interview that no, ok.

846
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: Your question is what does the odds six stand for?

847
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: In the name thirty odds six Springfield? We have a confidence, Steve,

848
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: and a confidence ordinarily confident, confident, cal confident everybody but Garrett,

849
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: who is our gun guy. Don't call him the gun guy.

850
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: He's a he's a competing he's a competit. He's a

851
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: competitive shooter, he's a solving. His garage floor is clean.

852
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: He's got that deep pile rug in his garage, not

853
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: a drop on it. So, but before you get the answer,

854
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: what was the answer to the predicate question, like what

855
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: is superior? I can't can't to drive traffic. You need

856
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: to go to the media dot com traffic because it's

857
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: a newer cartridge. You need to go to the media

858
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: dot com and read Jordan Stiller's article from July one. Yeah,

859
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: it's like it's subjective but grounded. He does as good

860
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: as job of breaking the two down. Is anybody just?

861
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: But the ultimate thing is subjective? Yes, yet grounded. Yes,

862
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: this question is not subjective. Everyone reveals your answers. The

863
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: answer is the odd six refers to nineteen o six,

864
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: the year the cartridge was adopted. I think we should

865
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 1: give it the south who wrote year made Yeah, for sure,

866
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: everybody got it? Oh no, no, I wrote, what did

867
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: you write? I wrote, oh yeah, Oh man, I'm embarrassed

868
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: admit this. I wrote zero six Because the way you

869
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: format of your question, you said, what is odd six?

870
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: Stand for the thirty? I thought you were trying to

871
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: be tricky there with your last statement. The thirty refers

872
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: to the caliber of the bullet in inches, while the

873
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: old six stands for nineteen or six, the year the

874
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: cartridge was adopted. That was question eight. We're on the

875
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 1: question nine. What is the score? Phil? We have cal

876
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: with six points in first place, really, followed closely by

877
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: Brody with five, Tucker with four, and then Karin with

878
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: and Steve with three. Oh, set Scott four as well?

879
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: Did I say that? And Garrett has too? Beforehand? I

880
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: thought it were taken six to win this and we

881
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: have two questions left, so you guys are on a

882
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: good pace. I'm I've gone from wanting to win to

883
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: just not wanting to be last place, which is the

884
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: mark of a good game. We got condition question nine

885
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: the categories wildlife management. The two most common types of

886
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: tracking collars that biologists use on animals are GPS and

887
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: v h F. GPS, of course, stands for Global Positioning System.

888
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: What does v h F stand for? Oh, that's a

889
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: good one. It is a good one. The two primary

890
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: times GPS and VHF. GPS is Global positioning system. What

891
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: does v h F stand for? V is in venus.

892
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: This is the hardest I've seen in the room think yet,

893
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: because it's knowable. Yeah, it's like I think it feels

894
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: like one of those things you should not right, m

895
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: cal the front runners thinking especially hard. Those brows are

896
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: very furrowed. I've strapped these onto animals, and so it's

897
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: killing me that I don't confident. Does everyone have an answer?

898
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: Reveal your answers. I'm not seeing correct. I think that's

899
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: right right, Very high frequency that is correct. High frequency

900
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: that is right, very high high frequency as you can

901
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: get right, They're like, how high, very high, very high.

902
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: Tucker is the only one that got that one right.

903
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: VHF colors work by sending out a radio signal that

904
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: allows biologist to physically locate the animal by using a

905
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: receiver and directional antenna. They only cost about three hundred

906
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: fifty dollars, while a GPS collar can cost anywhere from

907
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: eight hundred to three Thank you, very high frequency, very

908
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: high frequency. There were some close answers. I saw a

909
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: few of you had like the very some people had

910
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: the frequencies. Uh, Tucker was the only one to put

911
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,479
Speaker 1: it all together there. You can't buy him right now, No,

912
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: I imagine, I don't know. I just got a couple

913
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: of new dogs and I want callers from me, and

914
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: there you can't get them. Run the last question, Phil,

915
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: is it close? Uh? Well, the only way Cal can.

916
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: Cal can't lose, but he can tie for first. Have

917
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: a tiebreaker. We need to go to America. We don't

918
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: tie Phil soccer stuff. There you go. I I like

919
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: to Cal has six, Brody and you did that, Brody

920
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: and don't like Yeah, I don't like just drag people

921
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: through the dirt, Brody and Tucker. I tied for second

922
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: and Seth is in third with four. Yeah. Like you

923
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: know when the Olympus are coming up and they get

924
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 1: to like gold right, they don't go like gold browns

925
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: and they keep going, oh yeah the last place person.

926
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: To remind everyone just let's focus on the winners. Let's

927
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: focus on the lot of bitterness in this room. That

928
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: focus on question ten. The topic is white tails. The

929
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: most popular state mammal is the white tailed deer. In fact,

930
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: there are twelve states that recognize the white tail as

931
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: their state mammal. Name one of them really twelve states

932
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: name one of the states that recognize the white tail

933
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: as their official state mammal. This is for all the marbles,

934
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: and I don't see cal looking confident. It ain't Arizona, Garrett,

935
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: don't put Arizona. Oh, I don't know what I'm gonna do.

936
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: I have to keep people up to speed on what

937
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. Does everybody have an answer? Reveal your answers.

938
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: I will list off the correct answers. You can tell

939
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: us if you're right, Wisconsin, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, Ohio,

940
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: new hand, sure, Nebraska, Mississippi, Michigan, Steve, Illinois, Georgia, and Arkansas.

941
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: You put a very logical answer though, but of course

942
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: it's the steer right. So we had we had everybody

943
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: get it right except Tucker and cow Okay, I missed.

944
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: I said Louisiana, okay, which I don't know what the

945
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: state mammal for Louisiana would be. So in our first

946
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: ever time playing trivia, we were going to a tiebreaker.

947
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: They both got what seven correct? Six? Six? Okay, So

948
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm out while you kind of fell behind. Are you

949
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of choked? Yeah? I missed the last two. Yeah, okay.

950
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: You all can participate in the tiebreaker, but the only

951
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: answers that matter are Brody and cow your question is

952
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: in the number of days, how long is the gestation

953
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: period of an ELK thesis? Will be the winner. Oh,

954
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: this goes very well into our heated conversation last there's

955
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: there's a good play on words right there, Steve. Steve.

956
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: Steve filled the audience in and what the conversation was

957
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: last night between Callum Brody while they got so bad.

958
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: We were out celebrating the launch of meetings, camp Fire Stories,

959
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: Close Calls, and we were celebrating the launch at a restaurant,

960
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 1: and so everybody that was involved in that project was there,

961
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: and Calum Brody got into a fight so bad that

962
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: made other people at the table uncomfortable. The number of

963
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 1: days those people get uncomfortable around people anyway, a little

964
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: bit hard to track. It had to do with that

965
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: Montana now has a Montana now has a primitive. They

966
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: now have a flint lock season, which will be tacked

967
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: on to the end of the general season. Brody, are

968
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: you one of those folks that knows that how many

969
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: days in each month? Because I just kind of gassed well,

970
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: I guess too, all right, right, the correct answer by

971
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: still in the two seventy caliber, the correct He's seventy

972
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: kis coming in my mind. It's two by the winner

973
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: with the answer of two seventy. That number comes from

974
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountain ELK Foundation. So take it up with them,

975
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: cal who was very wrong. I'm your skills is what

976
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: failed there? You have an art in June. They get

977
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: inseminated in September. Cali, you could have made an argument

978
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: that I went over. No, no, no, you know, like

979
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, you can do it like prices

980
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: going over. Yeah, yeah, price is right doing. But he

981
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: didn't say that. Well done, Brody. Yeah, now body tell

982
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: us who you're going to donate your one dollars too. No,

983
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: let's keep in the family and do TRCP all right,

984
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: Uh soccer Carlson, Um, you're here to go fishing, I am.

985
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: And you live in Maine. Yep, tell us about that,

986
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: about how Maine you're you're explaining Maine kind of drives

987
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: up as if fishing matter. Yeah. So we live in

988
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: the Western Mountains in Maine, at the top of the

989
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: Appalachian Chain in the United States, and um, really pretty area,

990
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: great fishing, biggest brook trout in the United States. Been

991
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: there my whole life, and we have landlocked salmon too

992
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: throughout the watershed and they're great, great little game fish,

993
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: and but it gets hot and so um we have

994
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: a lot of still water fishing, a lot of lake fishing.

995
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: I fly fish, So that's a problem because obviously, you know,

996
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: casting lead cores, it loses. It's a p you like

997
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: being a moving water for sure. I fish rivers mostly.

998
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: There's about a maybe three week period where I live

999
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: on a lake where we get um rising trout and salmon,

1000
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: and you know, you just kill it for that period.

1001
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: But you know, stripping scuds on sinking line just I'm

1002
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: not that into it. So but anyway, as the summer

1003
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: gets warm, what I always come out west to the

1004
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: state to fish every you know, every year without fail.

1005
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: And I have a lot of kids, and how many

1006
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: kids you got for and you got a kid coming

1007
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: out to fish with it, and so various kids will

1008
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: meet me out here and we're just get in the

1009
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: truck and drive around and stay motels and fish. What

1010
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: are the age ranges. My oldest is twenty six, second

1011
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: is twenty four. It was a outstanding fly caster, like

1012
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: one of the best. Is just a natural and a

1013
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: really good shot. My third is two and my fourth

1014
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: is eighteen, and they're all into the outdoors. Were raised

1015
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: that way, and but they have varying degrees of enthusiasm

1016
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: for fly fishing. Two out of four earlier are into it.

1017
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. I mean, considering you know how difficult

1018
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 1: it is to get a kid to learn to cast

1019
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: a fly rod? Is very difficult. And were you saying

1020
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: you just recently turned fifty. I'm fifty two. It's really old.

1021
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: But my my son, who's a who's a really superior

1022
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: fly caster, much better than I am. Um, you know,

1023
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: you have to make them. You have to make them,

1024
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: so you start them on spinning rods obviously, you know,

1025
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,479
Speaker 1: throwing the daredevil on a whatever big castor spinning rod

1026
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then at about when he was nine,

1027
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,439
Speaker 1: I just switched him over to and eight waite because

1028
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: it's just easier to load it. And uh, he really

1029
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: hated it like a lot because his catch rate went

1030
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: to zero. And I was just a complete fashion coming

1031
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: after throwing spinners. Yeah, if you're throwing a daredevil in

1032
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: the Andreskoggin River like you're going to hook up for sure. Well,

1033
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: I started all my kids on nightcrawlers. Yeah. Well I

1034
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: never I never because that's in moral So I didn't

1035
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: do that. But but no bait fishing. But anyway, but

1036
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: I made him take up the fly. Rodney deeply resented it.

1037
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: And I've had a pretty lazy, fair attitude with my

1038
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: kids about most things. You know, you get to choose

1039
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: your political beliefs or what you know. It's not into

1040
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: forcing my beliefs and my kids except for a couple

1041
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: of things. And one of the most evening you have

1042
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: to be able to competently cast and this one kid,

1043
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: it sounds well because no one else is going to

1044
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: teach him, you know what I mean, that's like your

1045
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: duty as a father, and you gotta you know, I

1046
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: like wing shooting, so that too. But anyway, this one

1047
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: kid really hated it and stared at me in this resentful,

1048
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: almost edible way like I want to I want to

1049
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: kill you. And but I kept at it, and it

1050
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: was it was such a great victory because he really

1051
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 1: became talented and learned to love it. So I fished

1052
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: with him a lot. And but now I'm fishing with

1053
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: one of my girls. Are you're you're in Maine? You

1054
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: have a camp, right? We have a kid? How do

1055
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: you know that? Because that's like so main culture. You

1056
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: go out for a paddle and you go to the camp. Yeah,

1057
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: every every house in May in the woods as a camp.

1058
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: And then we we have a camp which is our

1059
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: family house where we grew up, and then we have

1060
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: a fishing We have another camp which is off grid,

1061
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: just two cabins on a river, and that's the fishing camp.

1062
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: That's the fishing camp. So we fish at boat at both.

1063
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: But we have a like fully you know, no electricity

1064
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 1: or running water place, which is great. And your kids

1065
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: like going to the camp. They're obsessed. Yeah, they love it. Yeah,

1066
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: because i mean, you know, you can we shoot a

1067
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: lot and you know, you can shoot off the porch

1068
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: and swim in the river and the fishing for a

1069
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: couple of months is pretty great. It it turns up

1070
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: again in September. We're mostly for brook trout, and the

1071
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: brook trout really don't let any water over seventy there's

1072
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: not into it at all, so they find the springs

1073
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: so they just kind of disappear. But they come back

1074
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: in September. So you know, most of August is shooting

1075
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: heavy on the Tanna, right, you know, three awight into

1076
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: Tanna right that that that's how we clear the wood.

1077
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: And the forest in Maine is very different from the

1078
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: forest out here, and it's like a rainforest. That's a move.

1079
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: We get so much precipitation, and you know, white pines dominate,

1080
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: of course at the whole point of Maine is the

1081
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: eastern white pine. But we get a ton of spruce

1082
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: and fur and seed during a lot of other things,

1083
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: but mostly spruce and for just like just pop up

1084
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: like you know, like five o'clock shadow. They're just everywhere.

1085
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: So you know, there's a lot of a lot, but

1086
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: there's you know, you have to cut basically if it's

1087
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: your land, and so we try to use tanna right

1088
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: to do that because it's just so much more fun.

1089
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: That's how you shop them down. Well, no, I mean,

1090
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: we we use chainsaws typically, but tanna right is fun.

1091
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, did you guys see that the you know,

1092
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: the story of the couple that had a gender reveal

1093
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: party for a baby, burn the burn the forest down.

1094
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: I just saw it. Just I saw in the news

1095
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: this morning that they were there being charged for the

1096
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: death of a firefighter. Fire thirty felonies or something. They

1097
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: got charged with. It was some it was some ridiculous

1098
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: number like that. It's pretty hard to set the forest

1099
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: in Maine on fire. It's really wet. Yeah, like a

1100
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: pig shows upside. It's a it's a little more like

1101
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: Oregon than it is Monte. And this is this is

1102
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: North North, like the big Northwood. This is western Maine,

1103
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: which is the mountainous part of Maine. So a lot

1104
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: of Maine, actually northern Maine is flat. Coastal Maine is

1105
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: rocky and really don't have that many evergreens um the

1106
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: mountains of western Maine, so sort of maybe two hours

1107
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: above Portland, and then it's all paper company land up

1108
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: to the Canadian border. That's less like pond swamp country

1109
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: more well, there's all over Maine, which is like the

1110
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: downside that an insane amount of water, insane amount of

1111
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: water and insane amount of swamps. And you know, depending

1112
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: on the year, the ticks are just ridiculous and you

1113
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: have to be happy, you know, comfortable with mosquitoes and

1114
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: black flights, which I am. I've just totally zend out

1115
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: and I don't even care. Um, but the ticks some

1116
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: years are really bad. In fact, it was last year

1117
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: the estimate was we lost half of all yearling moose

1118
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: to blood loss from ticks. Kid, Oh, it's into, it's real.

1119
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: It's totally intense this year. I mean I'm in the

1120
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: woods every day and six eight ticks, and I mean

1121
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: I haven't worn shorts a single day. I got to

1122
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: Maine on June tenth. I haven't worn shorts a single

1123
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: day because not one what is don't wear shorts and

1124
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: Maine because that's like you don't do that? And I

1125
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: still get six or eight ticks every day. The mortality

1126
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: on that moose study, uh, they were averaging a little

1127
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: over forty seven thousand ticks on each calf moves. Which

1128
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: ever seen it? I have not seen it in person,

1129
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: but it's over twenty pounds of ticks. You can imagine that.

1130
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: It's so well, I mean, it's disgusting obviously, like beyond

1131
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: it's like the most repulsive thing you've ever seen, but

1132
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: it's also just a tragedy. You see it and you

1133
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: just feel so sorry. Moose are a big thing where

1134
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: we live. I hit one two years ago, totally destroyed

1135
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: my truck. I hit a bull moose going seventy and

1136
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: just total to full size silverado on them. So they're

1137
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: kind of a threat. They killed dogs moose for that

1138
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: like the only thing in the main woods that will

1139
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: hurt you. So you kind of have ambivalent feelings about moose,

1140
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: but when you see the ticks on them, you really

1141
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: have sympathy because it's just and that's why they're in

1142
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: the swamps all day. You know, they're missing huge patches

1143
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: of fur, and the clusters of ticks are just like,

1144
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: never see anything like it. Tixer sizes your thumb. Thousands

1145
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: of them just gorge with blood gorged the poor animals.

1146
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:21,440
Speaker 1: You know, is it widely known that you uh produce

1147
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: that you like, do your show from not Manhattan. I

1148
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: don't know that it is. Um. I had a remember

1149
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: being really when I found that out. I didn't know

1150
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: you could pull that off. Oh yeah, and it's it's

1151
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: gotta be people who are like, well, I'm gonna do

1152
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: that too, when people should. I mean, you know, some

1153
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: people really like cities. I I emphatically don't. I don't

1154
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: see the upside. I really strong feelings about it. I

1155
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: try to express them because there are a lot of

1156
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: great people who live in cities and I don't want

1157
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: to alienate them. It's like golf. I don't know I

1158
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: don't golf, but I don't attack golf. I don't know,

1159
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: it's not in my heart. I do, but I don't.

1160
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't say that out loud. Um, So I'm not

1161
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not attacking cities, but I just I

1162
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: don't care to live that at all. And I'm sure

1163
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: he's a nice person. It seems like a nice person.

1164
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: Oh you know, uh, you know, I was gonna ask

1165
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: you about see that, show him, show him your arm, Spencer.

1166
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 1: Spencer got this listening tree. Now, he could have planted

1167
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: a thousand trees for what it cost him to get

1168
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: that tree. Like trees, Yeah, I was gonna ask you

1169
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: have tattoos. We're gonna argue about tattoos lately. I'm not

1170
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: gonna answer that question. Let me just say I was

1171
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville seven drunk and I did wind up with

1172
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: a couple and did Yeah. I mean it was the

1173
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: eighties and I drank a lot. I no longer drank

1174
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: or go to Jacksonville, So I'm fine now. But I

1175
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: do love trees, and I and I love that. And

1176
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: then you spend part of your year working out of Florida,

1177
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 1: so you'd pack up the whole operation everybody goes with you. Yeah, yeah,

1178
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: do they look forward to that part of the year. Yeah,

1179
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: we we live I mean, I really care about the outdoors,

1180
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: and so I'm here and uh and so yeah, we

1181
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: live on the west coast of Florida, UM on one

1182
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: of the Barrier Islands, where you know, tarpin fishing is

1183
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: a is kind of the center of the It's the reason,

1184
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: it's the reason the town is. End of that. Yeah,

1185
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: I like tarping, Honestly, I don't. I like tarpin fishing.

1186
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: I live in like the world's capital tarpin fishing, But

1187
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: I really like snooking and redfish stuck mostly so all

1188
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: winter I fish for snook on a fly, and you know,

1189
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: you can catch one stock after the other in the mangroves,

1190
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: but to catch up forty and snook on the fly

1191
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: is definitely something you need to dedicate yours to doing.

1192
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: It's actually think it's actually harder than tarpin fishing. Tarpin

1193
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 1: fishing on a fly is heavily luck related, So I

1194
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: I do think that. I mean, it's just if you

1195
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 1: tried on a fly for tarpins, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1196
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: you pulled it off, haven't you. Oh? Yeah, no, I've

1197
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: got I've got a handful. But it is I think

1198
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: I knew you win. Uh, Like you know my my

1199
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 1: buddies that are guides and do it all the time,

1200
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: like they definitely have this. Oh it happens or it doesn't,

1201
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: and there's no more thought. You have to be able

1202
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: to get the fly to them. It's very quick reaction.

1203
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 1: It's not casting, obviously to trout or even to snook

1204
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: where you know you're safe fish and you're thinking, okay,

1205
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: lead him. That's it's just a pure reaction. I fish

1206
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: with actually a one piece nine weight because I don't

1207
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: like nice thing. The big The one piece don't blow up,

1208
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: and that's why I do it, so I use a

1209
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: lighter rod for it. Explain me when you say blow up,

1210
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: well your rottle shatter. Oh you mean blow up like

1211
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: break well there's a big fish. Yeah. Have you have

1212
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: you got one of those mako reels? No, I those

1213
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 1: things are And it's so funny. I called one tarpin

1214
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: this spring because I go to main pretty early, so

1215
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: tarpin season where I live starts, well, it kind of

1216
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: depends on the year. Last year it started, I caught

1217
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: a tarpet in March. This year, it was a little

1218
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: bit later, maybe mid April, and I fished throughout April

1219
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 1: and early May, and my last day in Florida, I

1220
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: caught a tarp in my first cast, maybe d and

1221
01:11:55,040 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: twenty pound tarpin and my rod my son was using

1222
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: my rut so was. I borrowed a friend's rod and

1223
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: the reel was broken, and it it just I mean,

1224
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean, they just well, you know, you've caught him.

1225
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's almost a chore to catch him.

1226
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: You well, that's why people snap them off. It's like, oh,

1227
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: I caught the tarping, great, good for me, but you

1228
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: don't want to actually get into the boat because it's

1229
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: really intense. But this thing took off and the real

1230
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: hit my thumb and I couldn't use my hand. It

1231
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: was it was absolutely awful. So that's like the one

1232
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: kind of fishing. I fish a lot of fish every day,

1233
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: and that's the only kind of fishing where I think

1234
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: the real matters. I mean, even with snook, and I

1235
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: never put a fish on the reel ever. Yeah, I mean,

1236
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: I've seen people take more time to land a trout

1237
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: fly fishing trying to get it on the reel and

1238
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: mess around. And I've seen I've seen like pro tarpan

1239
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,799
Speaker 1: people land tarpan with proper rod mechanics, proper real mechanics

1240
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: in less time than i've seen sloppy trout fishing. Its

1241
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: totally right, and it's like someone who's great. The guy

1242
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: I fished with Austin Ladder is actually from Montana can.

1243
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean he can muscle a hundred and kind of

1244
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: tarp into the boat in like six minutes. But for

1245
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: a normal person like me who fishes a lot, but

1246
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: it is not a guide. I mean take twenty five

1247
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: minutes to get the fish to the boat. And Latin fact,

1248
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: last year I cut a fish that was big enough

1249
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: and it was a nasty enough fight that I actually

1250
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: took a nap in the boat. That's how old. I mean,

1251
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: it just it just wore me right out. That's awesome. Hey,

1252
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: what's what? How does snook fishing work? Snook fishing is like,

1253
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: how do you guys go about it? You just get

1254
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: out into flats boat. Actually, I do what I like

1255
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: to fish on foot for trout to I really don't

1256
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: like fishing from a boat. I never do float trips

1257
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: for example. I just I'm not into it. I'm not

1258
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: into Bobbera fishing in general, but I like to walk

1259
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: and I like it some nice long drift though, man,

1260
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: you do. To be honest, my snobbery is based on

1261
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: my lack of skill. So my son actually does a

1262
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: lot of indicator fishing, and he's like, you're an idiot

1263
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: for trout. I do a lot of swinging wet flies.

1264
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: I tied a lot, and I tie for myself and

1265
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: my son and a couple of other people. So I've

1266
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: got all these like super strong theories about trout fly.

1267
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm a purist. I love to

1268
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: tie flies and I always have, and I love wet

1269
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: flies and I love main featherweg streamers are the two

1270
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: things really that I spend most time time anyway. Whatever,

1271
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: So that anyone you know who ties, just asking what

1272
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: you tie affects how you fish. So if you're like

1273
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: super into tying hoppers, you know you're you're throwing hoppers

1274
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: early season, even when they're on the hoppers, because you

1275
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 1: tied it, and you've like spend on when I'm thinking

1276
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: about how the fish are reacting. Oh ship, it's purple

1277
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: this year or whatever. You know, what I mean. So

1278
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: like anyway, I don't do a lot of bobber fishing.

1279
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: I mostly do walk up fishing. I just like walking

1280
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: along rivers and streams um so for snook. You know,

1281
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 1: you get out. We have a lot of mangrove islands

1282
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: where we live, so I just get out. I always

1283
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: wait barefoot. There's really nothing that will. You know, if

1284
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: you're sort of awake, you're not going to step on

1285
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: a ray. You're fine. And and I try to, you know,

1286
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: you see the snook and then you try and fishing,

1287
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: you're like stalking along the edges of mangrove violence Oh yeah,

1288
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: looking for the awake or absolutely. And it's skinny water,

1289
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: very very I mean, I have a flats boat I

1290
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: have which actually sank tarping my son's. I bought a

1291
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: Hell's bay and I'm cheap, so I bought an old

1292
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 1: one and I had a bait well. Now why a

1293
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: Hell's bay would have a bait well, since I've never

1294
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: heard of someone using a Hell's bait of bait fish,

1295
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: But whatever, it had a bait well in it, and

1296
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: the valve in the bait well was bad, and the

1297
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: boat literally sank the second week of May off an

1298
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: island in Sherlotta Harbor as we were fishing with my

1299
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 1: son in it, and it cost me a huge amount

1300
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 1: of money to get it back. Have you done that?

1301
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: You buy insurance for it, which I never do because

1302
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: I know you can't. It can be legally dicey to

1303
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: walk away from dude. By the insurance, I think it's

1304
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: fifty bucks a year. It was like six thousand dollars

1305
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: to get the boat towed back to the marina. It

1306
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: was insane. It was insane. I'm still mad about it,

1307
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: but whatever. Anyway, the point is, um, I like to

1308
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: fish on foot very very much, and I do think

1309
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: your catch raate goes down. I mean, obviously, the most

1310
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: efficient way to fish just to have someone pull you

1311
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 1: stand on the platform at the front, hold your fly,

1312
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, wait to see the fish draw it across

1313
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: his nose, you know whatever. But I fished by myself

1314
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: a lot, so I'm happy to catch fewer at this age.

1315
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so freaking old that I'm happy, and

1316
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: I've caught a lot of fish. I'm I'm happy to

1317
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: catch fewer fish, but be more fully immersed in and

1318
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: is the is the mark the over forty inches it

1319
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: is for me. I mean, you know, anyone who fishes

1320
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: a lot winds up in your head kind of and

1321
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: so in my head is like, holy shit, that's a

1322
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: snook and and a forty and stuff for some rea

1323
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: snooker one of those weird fish where I think to

1324
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: get to that size there's just like four standard deviations

1325
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: of intelligence higher. So it's pretty easy to fool like

1326
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: ay in snook, just one after the other after the other,

1327
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: if you can, you know, I I tie a and

1328
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 1: Enrico Pagliazi baitfish that I think is pretty compelling to snook.

1329
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: So um, I feel like I can do pretty well.

1330
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 1: But to catch a forty two foolist smoke that big,

1331
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: he's just been duped too many times, I think so,

1332
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: and I think and I just think it's just hard

1333
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: to get that big. And I just know from my

1334
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: catch rate, I've caught very few, like five in my life.

1335
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: And I fished a lot in the same place. That's

1336
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: the other thing. I fish in the same places, so

1337
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: I know that I know the places pretty well. You know,

1338
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:23,719
Speaker 1: at a certain point you kind of know the water.

1339
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: And um, I've cut very few stoked that big. So

1340
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: I think that's the most exciting. I love tailing red fish.

1341
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: We've got some environmental problems where I live with the

1342
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: red tide, and I think it's really affected the red

1343
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: fish a lot. It's very upsetting. That's how to do

1344
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 1: with how they're draining water off a job, right, I

1345
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: think the golf courses. I mean, it's like, there are

1346
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: a lot of theories about it. I mean, I could

1347
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: bore you for hours. I won't, but there are a

1348
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: lot of theories on it. I've actually got so upset about.

1349
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: We did a couple of shows on it on Fox.

1350
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm not sure anyone was interested except me, but um,

1351
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: I am interested in to use your platform. What are

1352
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: quality matters? Like? All that can always an environmentalist really

1353
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: really well, then why aren't you upset about the water

1354
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,759
Speaker 1: quality in South Florida? Like and why is this happening?

1355
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: Is is it? It's clearly it's phosphates from development and

1356
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 1: golf courses. It's the cutting of the mangroves along the

1357
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: Army Corps dicking with the drainage. You know, it's often

1358
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: the arm and no offense. And I'm not against the

1359
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: Army Corps, and I think they do you know, good

1360
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: stuff in a lot of places, but boy, they they

1361
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: use blunt instruments. We had someone on the show that

1362
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: did We had someone on the show we recorded in Florida.

1363
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: Wish I wish we could find that episode. It was

1364
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 1: someone who's like they took a memory, had them on.

1365
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: They did have like a historic approach on it got

1366
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: into that big flood in the twenties that killed everybody,

1367
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: and and then everybody's like, Okay, so that's not gonna

1368
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: happen again, and then like overcorrected and that's exactly what

1369
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: that's And that's exactly right. And you know, the Army

1370
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: Corps job is not to make certain the water quality

1371
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: is good enough to sustain a robust fishery. That's kind

1372
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 1: of not what they're thinking that It was like, you know,

1373
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 1: hundreds of people got killed. That's exactly right. And Florida

1374
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: has a lot of water related drama. There's just a

1375
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: lot of water in Florida. That's complex. But you know,

1376
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: I've seen him do this a couple of times. There

1377
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: was a hurricane up in northern New England where we live,

1378
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen years ago. I can't I can't really remember

1379
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: about fifteen years ago. And they had massive flooding in Vermont,

1380
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: and Vermont had all these you know, pretty blue lines

1381
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: of small board trout streams that are just and I

1382
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: like small stream fishing very much. You know, you get

1383
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: your came three weight and go, you know what I mean,

1384
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: like throw for Brookies and the Army corpsyman and basically

1385
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: paved all the streams. I'm overstating that slightly, but they

1386
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: they're just like, well, we have a problem with these

1387
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: streams are flooding the towns, and we're just going to

1388
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: take all the obstructions out what so that you know,

1389
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: you you bring earth moving equipment into a into a

1390
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: stream really and flatten it out, because thank you, that's

1391
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 1: exactly right. So really I'm not attacking them. I think

1392
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of good people the Army corp

1393
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: of engineers, but they're they're not thinking about the effects

1394
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: on on the fishery and that was distressing their task

1395
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: with the town floods, their engineers and but you just

1396
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: have to And by the way, I'm not I'm probably

1397
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: a little more on the Ted Kazinski side if the

1398
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: equation actually when it comes to development, actually a lot

1399
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: more of him being totally honest Montana guy. For a

1400
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 1: while he was a Montana guy and and obviously a

1401
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: bad person and kill people, and I'm totally opposed to that.

1402
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: But also, you know, not a stupid person at all,

1403
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 1: and a and a very deep person and an interesting

1404
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: person with a lot of anyway whatever, don't keep me going.

1405
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: But um, but I think you know, people have a

1406
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: right to have houses, and people want to live in

1407
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: pretty places, and you can't stop all development. You should

1408
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: stop all strip malls and dollar stores obviously, but you

1409
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: can't stop all development. And people want to golf. I

1410
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: get it. So you've got competing imperatives and desires and

1411
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: it's a country three million people. It can't just be

1412
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: about you know, fifty two year old fly fisherman. Okay,

1413
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: I get it. On the other hand, like the views

1414
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: of fifty two five fisherman should all should be represented.

1415
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: I think they should be. We should have Spencer on

1416
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: sometime just to talk about why he likes a golf

1417
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: golfing segment. Oh, I think that's was that episode one

1418
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: oh seven Saving the Evergladesh ever? Was that name of

1419
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, they did, they didn't. I thought they

1420
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: did a very good job. We had a couple of

1421
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: people various subjects, Kelly Ralston, Matt Cook, you and Yanni

1422
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: and Fort Lauderdale. That's correct, Okay, Saving the Everglades episode

1423
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: one of seven. Uh did you learn? Did you? Uh?

1424
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: Your dad got you started in fishing? Yeah, because his

1425
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: dad into it. Uh No, Actually, my father was an

1426
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 1: orphan who spent his early life in an orphanage. So no,

1427
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: wait really yeah, yeah, the home for little wanderers in

1428
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: real name. How what happened? How'd that go down? Well?

1429
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: He actually found out later his mother was just really

1430
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: really young, mid teens, and um, she was the Swedish girl,

1431
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: and she got pregnant and and so her parents made

1432
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: her put the baby up for adoption and wound up

1433
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 1: in this orphanage. So he grew up in foster homes,

1434
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: an orphanage, then ultimately was adopted. Your kid. You know,

1435
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: have you read your your dad's Wikipedia page? I've never

1436
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: read Wikipedia, saying I don't read a single word about

1437
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: myself for my family, not one time. Okay, the what

1438
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: you're saying like lines up with that page. But my

1439
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 1: impression of reading that was like this is out of

1440
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: a movie, like it it's a it's a tragic Wikipedia. Yeah,

1441
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: it's a it's a tragic to hate that. The violation

1442
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: suprivacy are just like to extreme. You know, you're a

1443
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: public figure, I know, but my family has nothing to

1444
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: do with it. I had kind of this lunit to

1445
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: your dad's a historical personal My dad's a great a

1446
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: great man, and a and a and like a real

1447
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,600
Speaker 1: outdoorsman and a really avid wing shooter and and and

1448
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: a great guy. And but he was very intense about

1449
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: camping in the woods and you know, bird hunting and

1450
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: dogs especially, always had always had bird dogs, a lot

1451
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: of them, and highly intense about it. So how did

1452
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: he because that was that that wanted to being a

1453
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: result of his adoptive family. Honestly, I don't really know,

1454
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: because like the things that are closest to you know,

1455
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: the least about actually, but I think when he was little,

1456
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: somebody brought him to a Y m C. A camp

1457
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: in Maine, and that had a huge effect. So then

1458
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: you know, he left high school, joined the Marine Corps.

1459
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: You know, didn't have credentials, but he's very smart. So

1460
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: he went up in journalism because they'll take anybody, and

1461
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: became a fairly prominent and successful reporter. At the l

1462
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: A Times in ABC News in California. So we lived

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01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: in California. I grew up in California and southern California,

1464
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: and but we had this camp in Maine because he

1465
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: was he really felt it was important to eat beans

1466
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: and be cold and from New England, and so we

1467
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: would spend the summers. We go from Lajoya, California, which

1468
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: has got to be one of the richest zip codes

1469
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: in the world. It's all in the beach and everyone

1470
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,919
Speaker 1: serfs and everyone's mom like smokes weed at the breakfast

1471
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: table too, And then we'd spend the summer in this

1472
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: beautiful but totally impoverished milltown where they made clothes pins,

1473
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: no exaggeration, that was the town business. They had a

1474
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: closed pin factory which around a business or night and

1475
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: there was never kind of any employment since. And we've

1476
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: been in that town our whole lives and it's just

1477
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: beautiful and they're great people, but it's very much a

1478
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: sporting culture. I mean, that's what without getting boring in

1479
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: one sentence. So Maine after the Civil War, Maine was

1480
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 1: an agricultural state. The Civil War happens, you know, every

1481
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: other man in the entire state joins the Union Army.

1482
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: I think that the highest enlistment rate of any state.

1483
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: They leave Maine for the first time and realized, wait

1484
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: a second, you can farm in places where there aren't

1485
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: granite boulders every four feet and the growing season is

1486
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: longer than six weeks. So every moved to Ohio. So

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01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: Maine had I think ten million acres under cultivation in

1488
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty. It now has a million acres. So the

1489
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 1: state went from like, yes, it went from being a

1490
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 1: state of farms to a state of of timberland, of

1491
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: paper company land. So it was bought up by the

1492
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: Pingree family of Massachusetts and a couple of others, and

1493
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: the majority of the state to this day is owned

1494
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: by Timber Holding Company. So in exchange for owning the

1495
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: majority of the state and there's very little public land

1496
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: and Maine, the paper company struck this deal where if

1497
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: you live in Maine you can use paper company land.

1498
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: There's no sense of It's the opposite of Montana and Wyoming,

1499
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,879
Speaker 1: where you get shot for going on someone's land, especially Wyoming.

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01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 1: In Maine, you can walk on to the land. It's

1501
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: like there's an expectation I can just hunt on your land.

1502
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: I can fish on your land, I can camp on

1503
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: your land. The only thing I can't do is cut

1504
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: the trees. So it's the state, but it's it creates

1505
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: such an interesting culture because you have a state full of,

1506
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: like by national standards, very poor people who have amazing

1507
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 1: sporting opportunities for hunting and fishing, and we have this

1508
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 1: incredible They reintroduced turkeys into Maine and they just went crazy.

1509
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: Obviously moose and deer. Where I lived, tons of bears, lots.

1510
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 1: I saw a bear on my property last week. I

1511
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: thought it was I thought it was a man. It was,

1512
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: so it was black bears, huge bears. And then we

1513
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: have trout and salmon, and then in the fall ruffle grouse,

1514
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: which and woodcock ruffle grouse and Maine are called partridge

1515
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: for some reason. Yeah I grew up when when I

1516
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: grew up, they would no one calls them grouse, but

1517
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: they are. But they were called pats patridge. Yeah, that

1518
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: spelled a A R. So you're just like, you know,

1519
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: if you're working part time in the woods, you know,

1520
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: cutting for the paper mill, or you work at the

1521
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: dollar store, you know, you don't have any money, but

1522
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you really have a lot of opportunity in

1523
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: a way that they don't have out west. Obviously there's

1524
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: better fishing in some ways, there's better hunting out west,

1525
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 1: but the access in Maine is just incredible for normal people,

1526
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: and it creates a really interesting culture where or you know,

1527
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: people who work at the middle fly fish. So like

1528
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: in the state of New York, for example, you know

1529
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: a lot of other places Connecticut, the only people who

1530
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 1: fly fish are people who are rich, you know. But

1531
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: in Maine, like poor people fly fish and then tie

1532
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: their own flies, and it's just it's a really neat

1533
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: it's a really neat sporting culture. I think Karan sent

1534
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: us a article um from years ago where there was

1535
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 1: a thing in the Hollywood Reporter about some guy that

1536
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: decided you were fishing in Central Park. Yes, I was,

1537
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: and a guy was decided to make like a started

1538
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: to film you. Yeah, and you had to explain to

1539
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: him that I had this gig where I worked in

1540
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,919
Speaker 1: New York on the weekends. So I would never obviously

1541
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: live in New York because that's soul destroying, but I

1542
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: had a job there on the weekend, so I would

1543
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: go into New York and stay in a hotel for

1544
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: two nights by myself, which is just like hell, Well

1545
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: you're on the roddle out, you know, it's hell. And

1546
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 1: I just had to get outside of with like driving

1547
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: me freaking crazy. I can't, you know what I mean.

1548
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: So I would walk up to Central Park with my

1549
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: eight weight and try and catch bass in the park.

1550
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: Do you see a lot of people fishing there? No,

1551
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 1: I've never seen a fly right there. So I would

1552
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 1: do it every weekend I get off work. I hosted

1553
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: a morning show and then I'd walk up to the

1554
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: park and cast my stupid fly rod, just like feel better.

1555
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 1: And this guy comes up to me. He's filming me,

1556
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: and I thought, I want to hit this. You know,

1557
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: it's such a violation of your privacy fishing please, you know, God,

1558
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 1: it's like someone filming you having sex. It's like no, no no, no,

1559
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: this is the private realm. Like I'm not I don't

1560
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: want to be seen doing this. And it turned out

1561
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 1: he worked for Howard Stern and he was fine. He

1562
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: actually later died of a heroin o d weirdly or

1563
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: maybe not so weirdly, but he goes, what are you

1564
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: doing And I said, I'm fly fishing, and he said

1565
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 1: fly fishing. He thought I meant like house fly. I

1566
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: was fishing with house flies. He goes, where do you

1567
01:28:55,000 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 1: catch the flies? And I said, why don't. I was

1568
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: totally confused. But he's from New York, so like he

1569
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: doesn't know, you know, like he understands subway Matt, like

1570
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: he's you know. He said he was an idiot, and

1571
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: I said, no, I don't know. I tied the flage

1572
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: what do you many times? So I showed him my

1573
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: fly box with my stupid, you know, poppers. And at

1574
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: the time, I had this theory about poppers where I

1575
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: was gonna take sheet foam and make the popper out

1576
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: of pieces of sheet foam glued together, rather than like

1577
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: doing him on a drummall tool or whatever. I had

1578
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 1: this whole theory like I'm gonna create this new kind

1579
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: of popper or whatever, very ugly poppers, but very effective.

1580
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: So I like showed him my box of poppers. He

1581
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 1: has regular buddies. Actually, I I absolutely hated him, but

1582
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: once he get the camera out, I was like, Okay,

1583
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 1: don't be a dick trying to be nice and he

1584
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: didn't mean any harm. He was just dumb and you

1585
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: had to show him the poppers, because you never know

1586
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: who your first investor is going to be. My poppers

1587
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: at that point they were awful. It's funny how much

1588
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: mental disk space I've like devoted to dumb question like

1589
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: how to make the perfect phone popper? But actually I'm

1590
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 1: not bragging. I've perfected it. You take a nail, like

1591
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: a threepenny nail, and you put it in a drama

1592
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: tool and you just slide the foam over it and

1593
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: then you shape it with sandpaper. Well what was it

1594
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: you put the nail on the drumal? Yeah, it makes

1595
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: you basically you're turning your drama into a lathe. I

1596
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 1: mean it is, you're turning it into it like a

1597
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: tiny little lathe. Um, and you can actually use like

1598
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: a jeweler's lathe for it. But this is just way easier,

1599
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: and you can. It's crazy what you can? I mean,

1600
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 1: do you have a fish with poppers? I have. I

1601
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 1: don't do a ton of fly fish, to be frank,

1602
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 1: but I have for sure. You can get really carried

1603
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:44,759
Speaker 1: away with it. It's crazy. Um, So I I obviously

1604
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 1: I need help, um, but I think the more do

1605
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,640
Speaker 1: you tie hundreds of flies every year? Oh? Yeah, a

1606
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 1: lot of flies. Quick quick popper jump aside here some

1607
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: I'm dying to ask you anyway. Uh, you're year old

1608
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: man had a year long stant as the ambassador to

1609
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: the say Schelles. Yeah, did you get to go to

1610
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 1: one of the saddest things that ever happened? No, So

1611
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: I went to college. That's like the if you're into

1612
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: throwing poppers for giant Travalli fishing, it's like the best

1613
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: in the world. It's it's the destination. That's what I

1614
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: went there for my honey. I went there. We went

1615
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 1: to all Yeah, we didn't do it right. We went

1616
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: to we went all three major islands. We didn't go

1617
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: to any of the off islands. You know what I mean.

1618
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: We didn't go to like but that I didn't realize

1619
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: at the time. I kind of was half thinking that

1620
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 1: I would get it, I would throw it in. I

1621
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: don't really, it's to go from to go from the

1622
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: say Sheells to like the outer islands that are famous

1623
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 1: for fishing. Is about like getting from here to the

1624
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: say Shells. I mean it's like a whole thing, but

1625
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: in like a dangerous plane. Yeah, I mean it's just

1626
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: like it's not you know, just like like go talk

1627
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 1: to the guy down to the beach and having buzzy

1628
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: out there, you know. I mean it's like a whole

1629
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: different deal. So I've been there but not really had

1630
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: a great time though. Do you think it surprising? Most

1631
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 1: is um um. I can't remember what happened, but I

1632
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 1: had to go down and get a prescription for something,

1633
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: and it was like sixty six cents including my doctor's

1634
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 1: visit for xannex whatever they got going on, whatever they

1635
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 1: got going on for the medical plan. I think it's

1636
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 1: highly subsidized by tourists, Like when something happens, they don't

1637
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:22,799
Speaker 1: charge any money. I get all my cody and coughs

1638
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: are up there. Yeah, like I got like a like

1639
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 1: an antibiotic or something that I can't remember. And uh,

1640
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean so long ago, it's thirteen years ago, but

1641
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: I do remember. Oh, you know, we didn't talk about seth.

1642
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: What the freaking squirrel hides? Man? Oh, I'm laying here

1643
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: to as a reminder. Do you squirrel hunt a lot? Yeah? Yeah?

1644
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: What do you use? Do you ever tie a fly

1645
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 1: called a squirrel tail? Is that a fly? Is here?

1646
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: The squirrel hair leeches? There's there's one called the red

1647
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 1: squirrel nimph, that's a good one. I used red squirrel

1648
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: all My roommate and graduate school would tie flies for money.

1649
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: He would have contracts to sell them, and he would

1650
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 1: now and then he didn't hunt, but he would now

1651
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: and then accompany me to go out to shoot pine squirrels.

1652
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: And then you take her fur and put in a

1653
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 1: coffee grinder and make flies with it, make dubbing out

1654
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: of it. Well, actually, pine squirrel, just the pelt is like,

1655
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: it's an amazing leech pattern. I've used that, I've exactly,

1656
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 1: I've used that a lot. I was use mink, which

1657
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 1: is totally underrated for mouse patterns. I do a ton

1658
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: of mousing in mid day, by the way, which really

1659
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 1: they always tell you, oh, mousing is for you know,

1660
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 1: spring creek at full two in the morning. Bullshit, try

1661
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: it at noon. I'm not no, No, I'm serious. I'm serious.

1662
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: Swing a mouse pattern. I probably shouldn't say it. Just

1663
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 1: cast across forty five degrees, let it hang down, drag

1664
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: awake behind it. It's insane, what I mean, it's crazy.

1665
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: And you only get about three casts and then it's

1666
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 1: like they're not taking it. Fine, move on to something else.

1667
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: But I would say, at least fifty percent time mid day,

1668
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:57,679
Speaker 1: the biggest trout in the pool will be like, holy shit,

1669
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 1: and you hook up every single time. I've done that

1670
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: all over the world and river in the middle of

1671
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 1: the night too, totally or waiting through a muckey. I mean,

1672
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: I've done this like Silver Creek or you know and

1673
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 1: I or whatever. You know, it's like famous for midnight mousing.

1674
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 1: No mid day. Well, you know we saw that was

1675
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the squirrels some our times. That beautiful

1676
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: job that it's gonna start a podcast called Squirrel Greefe Podcast.

1677
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: Are you gonna send him in a panther Martin and

1678
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: get your money? No, these are for a different project. Uh,

1679
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: these are for a friend of ours who's a squirrel enthusiast.

1680
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna send him a black phase, eastern gray, gray phase,

1681
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: eastern gray. Sure fox squirrel. We're gonna send him the

1682
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 1: whole he's a squirrel enthusiast, but somehow he doesn't have

1683
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: squirrel hides. So you take the guard hairs out of

1684
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: this and that's like amazing taste stuff. Don't touch that one. Sorry,

1685
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: you can look at it, touch it, but just don't

1686
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: pluck anything for a guy named Guy we had. We

1687
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 1: had to do a guy named guys up. I did

1688
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: this morning show for four years. We had this guy

1689
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: come on once who like worked at some bald eagle preserve.

1690
01:34:58,400 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: We have a lot of bald eagles where we live.

1691
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 1: They eat my troad and so I deeply resent them.

1692
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 1: But whatever, So he has this bald eagle in the set.

1693
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 1: They're incredibly nasty animals. I've never seen one up close,

1694
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,600
Speaker 1: but they're really hostile, and I think this is the

1695
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 1: burden new I didn't like it, and he was like

1696
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 1: angry at me, and at one point he jumps up

1697
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: and he loses a tail feather, so I snatched up think.

1698
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you're not allowed to have that.

1699
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: Only Native Americans can have it. It's a federal okay, right, Okay,

1700
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 1: got it, So I bring it home. I took it

1701
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: and tied too wet flies out of it to soft tackles,

1702
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: and those were the single most effective for salmon I've

1703
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: ever fished. Bald eagle. We did. I can't here if

1704
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 1: we had him on, we had award none uh, And

1705
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 1: we raised that question with them, and he has he

1706
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 1: had this guy we had had on twice in his

1707
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 1: career issued citations for what you're talking about. There were

1708
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: egregious examples. The one, he's sitting at a stoplight and

1709
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: the guy next to him has his rear view mirror

1710
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: adorned with raft or feet, so he pulled him over

1711
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: to have a chat. The other one, he's leaving the

1712
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 1: grocery store and it happens to be walking by a

1713
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 1: truck and sees that the guy has a like a

1714
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: small truckload of rafter carcasses, and so he waited for

1715
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 1: him to come out of the grocery store to have

1716
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 1: asked asked him a few questions, but he said, like, yes,

1717
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: it's true. What those are The two times I was

1718
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 1: compelled to like follow up, Well, you can't be stupid.

1719
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: Whenever I eat California condor, I grill it indoors because

1720
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: it's just too provocative to put it on the barbecue.

1721
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 1: What was that? We're on? Squirrels talk about time, all

1722
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 1: kind of flies? What do you shoot squirrels with? What

1723
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 1: do you what do you think of it? It does

1724
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 1: too much damage? Man? But but now I have a

1725
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:56,879
Speaker 1: game point, like solid point. I do like it, but um,

1726
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't I own one and like it. But I

1727
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,719
Speaker 1: fund the emma never got as cheap as they promised

1728
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: it would. You haven't noticed, you should go to the

1729
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: media dot com and read a caliber battle I actually

1730
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 1: have on caliver. So tell me what this is. I'm

1731
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: not gonna tell you gonna use this to drive traffic.

1732
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 1: Let me teach you something about media, Tucker, Now we

1733
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 1: can we could use this here platform to send people

1734
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 1: to another one of our platforms. Sorry, he's like, you know,

1735
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 1: indictments were made against two senators and to find out

1736
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: to go to my article see me on TikTok. So

1737
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: we have a caliber ballot's about the twenty two long

1738
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: rival versus the seventeen h m R you can find

1739
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 1: on the meat eator dock. Seriously, is that even a like? So,

1740
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 1: what what are the measurements you're using? He uses because

1741
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 1: I shoot them both. We measure in three categories ballistics, shootability,

1742
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: and versatility and cost. I mean it's you factored in

1743
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 1: the readily the abundance of two to three in low cost.

1744
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 1: I read the article. Yes, that's correct. Shootability means more

1745
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: than just like the recoil or the availability of AMMO

1746
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 1: or an actual word. It is on the Mediator dot com.

1747
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,679
Speaker 1: And you know who's great with this series that we do, Garrett.

1748
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: He is a good resource for our writer Jordan Stillers.

1749
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: Jordan has a question about uh using a twenty two

1750
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 1: to fifty on a white tailed deer, he will shoot,

1751
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: get an email, and Garrett always has the answer, what

1752
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: do you think of that fifty on a white tail? Uh?

1753
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't know why, Like, sure you can do, but

1754
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: I agree, I completely agree. I completely agree. Two fifties.

1755
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 1: Are you think it's okay amazing on white tail? Yeah? Yeah,

1756
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 1: it's It's kind of like the whole argument with like

1757
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: six five three hundreds. You know, how could you hunt

1758
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: in elk with a six five until you've shot an

1759
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 1: elk with a six five three hundred, and it's very cis.

1760
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 1: People are like obsessed. I can't handle any more caliber,

1761
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: so I haven't gotten one. But it's like for good

1762
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 1: reason you're saying you like, yeah, man, they're legal rights,

1763
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 1: They're just they're moving so fast. When that bullet expands,

1764
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: when it hits, it's very catastrophic. Like it's same like

1765
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: I said, six If you've never shot one one a

1766
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: Weatherby's cartridges, you're shooting elk with one of those and

1767
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 1: you're it's just like whoa, that's it's way harder than

1768
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: like people are gonna hate this, but like then my

1769
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 1: win meg kind of relate. Yeah, as far as it

1770
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: comes out of it comes out of the barrel and

1771
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 1: a thousand feet faster than than your barrel life though,

1772
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 1: I mean, how many rounds can you put? Like two

1773
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,680
Speaker 1: thousand and then you're done. Yeah, but they make your

1774
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: gun live ab as long as a smoker. It's totally right.

1775
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 1: But it also has to do with like all that

1776
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 1: is is heat, right, So it has to do with

1777
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: how you shoot your gun. If you went out with

1778
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 1: the six fifty and shot you know, a box of

1779
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: Ammo through it, and you just sort of wrapping rounds,

1780
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: then yeah, it's gonna anyway at this point, right, Yeah,

1781
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 1: well you'd have to be sponsored. It's not too bad.

1782
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm serious. I but I got I mean I shoot

1783
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, a lot, and I think about that.

1784
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: In fact, I even got an eight million in mouser

1785
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:08,719
Speaker 1: because I buy a lot of Kurosa primary ammo because

1786
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,719
Speaker 1: it's super cheap, like you know, Turkish am a Greek

1787
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: ammo from nine forty. It's like I don't give a ship.

1788
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 1: I'll clean my barrel with Windex. The gun costs four

1789
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 1: hundred bucks, do you know what I mean? And I

1790
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: can shoot and I actually like the round, but I'm

1791
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: not going to get a six five creed More because

1792
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 1: really I'm paying or three even three in a blackout

1793
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to get. I wanted to get a Supressor

1794
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 1: in blackout because my friend was one is such a

1795
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,599
Speaker 1: fun gun. So I'm not going to buy that AMMO

1796
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 1: because it just bums me out. It's every bowling pin

1797
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 1: that's like I shoot is two dollars or something. No thanks, Yeah,

1798
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of Yeah, they're popular because they're good.

1799
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: They are good, we're shootability by Tucker Carlson. I'm just

1800
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 1: saying the cost of AMMO. I was shooting a three

1801
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 1: way the other day, which I really like. I like mine.

1802
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: I actually have a I see your left handed left

1803
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: hand and butts the only rifle I have a left

1804
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:59,640
Speaker 1: hand and bolt on it, and I like it. But

1805
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, how much is a three weight round? Now? Like?

1806
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:05,680
Speaker 1: What is it? What does it called? Yeah? Very but

1807
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: I shoot but all my god, all my bolk right

1808
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: hand because that's where they all come from. I was

1809
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:11,679
Speaker 1: in my thirties before I had one, and I couldn't

1810
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 1: get used to it. I initially didn't like it when

1811
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 1: I got a left hand bolt. Do you know why

1812
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: I bought my I've only had one, it's my three eight,

1813
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 1: because it was cheaper. Honestly, no one wants a left

1814
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 1: hand bolt I just bought. I just bought a new

1815
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 1: seventeen HMR that you ever shoot the Ruger seventy seven

1816
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 1: like the model, and I've got it in three seven.

1817
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 1: It's like probably my favorite rightfalities, absolutely, and I just

1818
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: loved the action on it. So I saw one in

1819
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: seventeen and I was like, I just can't resist. And

1820
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 1: it was pretty cheap, but it was right handed, and

1821
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 1: I liked it better than the left but it's cheap anyway.

1822
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: I just think the cast had one of My brother

1823
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:49,600
Speaker 1: Danny has it now in Alaska, really because it was

1824
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 1: right handed. Once Motime made to switch the left handed.

1825
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 1: Oh so you're all about that now? Now I'm Joe

1826
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: left hand. I mean, I've always been left handed, but

1827
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: now I got used to, Like, I got over the

1828
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: impulse to lower the guns, switch hands, work the bowl,

1829
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 1: which is once I got over it. Now I would

1830
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: never go back. But at first I'll just very because

1831
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: we shot hand me downs, Like you grew up shooting

1832
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 1: hand me down right hand. That's exactly how I grew up.

1833
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: And now I have so many right handed bolt action

1834
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 1: rifles that I would like, what am I going to

1835
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 1: do with them? All? You know what I mean? So

1836
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 1: I have to stick with them. Yeah, we're going on caliber's. Yeah,

1837
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:26,880
Speaker 1: we got a covering. Yeah, hey, walk walk me through.

1838
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: Um uh oh, you know there's nothing I want to

1839
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,719
Speaker 1: ask you. First. Do you argue about politics of your kids?

1840
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: Not once, not one time. We don't talk politics at

1841
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 1: home ever, ever, not one time. I raised my kids

1842
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:44,600
Speaker 1: in Northwest DC and Washington, d C. In the city,

1843
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 1: and Washingtons are very I have to say. I mean,

1844
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 1: it's a very screwed up place, and I'm glad I

1845
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 1: don't live there anymore. But I spent many years the

1846
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:53,639
Speaker 1: decades there and it's a very pretty city. I mean,

1847
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 1: we lived right on a National park. You would not

1848
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 1: know you were in a city. It's like it's a

1849
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 1: it's a nice place stories kids, if you're going to

1850
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 1: do it in a city, but you're right in the

1851
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: middle of all this political drama. And because you are

1852
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:08,520
Speaker 1: Washington had this pretty wonderful culture of nonpartisanship in the neighborhoods.

1853
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,599
Speaker 1: So you live next to people because it's a trans

1854
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 1: and city, so it's like people coming into work for

1855
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 1: this administration that administration. The neighborhood that we lived in

1856
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: and raised our kids in was like the permanent people

1857
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: who stayed and because you're around it all day, you

1858
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: just didn't talk about it at all. We would never

1859
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,599
Speaker 1: talk politics. In fact, it was like forbidden. You don't

1860
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 1: bring that ship up at a dinner party. And you

1861
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 1: know a lot of people with dinner party go over

1862
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 1: someone's house for dinner. That was very common every weekend.

1863
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 1: And like my neighbor was Hunter Biden's business partner, and

1864
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 1: then Hunter Biden lived right down the street. You know,

1865
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 1: we would never had many dinners with Hunter Biden. Always

1866
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 1: liked him. Our wives were good friends and we never

1867
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 1: talk politics one time ever ever. And you extended that

1868
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 1: into your and my wife was always pretty resolutely non political.

1869
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:57,759
Speaker 1: Um she's from Michigan, talks just like you the car

1870
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 1: and the park and um. And she was always kind

1871
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 1: of liberal but kind just not you know, just nice person,

1872
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Um, she got way more political when

1873
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: in Tifa showed up at her house. Uh, that kind

1874
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 1: of radicalized her a little bit. But but we just

1875
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 1: never weve gotten had never talked about I mean, I

1876
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 1: don't think I've talked about my job with my kids

1877
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 1: a single time at dinner, not one time. And they

1878
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,639
Speaker 1: sort of dimly were aware of what I did. But then,

1879
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 1: you know, we lived in a neighborhood with you know,

1880
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 1: senators and ambassadors and everyone has a kind of high

1881
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 1: profile sort of political job in the world that they

1882
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: grew up in and so and there are a lot

1883
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 1: of famous people, and so my kids were just like,

1884
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 1: they don't like that stuff. They don't like politics. Um, No,

1885
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 1: we never talked about it. And because it felt a

1886
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:45,640
Speaker 1: little bit like if you're a porn star, would you

1887
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 1: come home and be like, yeah, you'll never gets what

1888
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 1: I did today? You just like, wouldn't. It's just kind

1889
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:52,640
Speaker 1: of not for kids. That's how we always felt. And

1890
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think you should politicize your kids,

1891
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 1: Like what is that you know? They don't know? What

1892
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 1: do they know? They don't you know, they're not married,

1893
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 1: they don't have their own children, they don't pay taxes.

1894
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 1: They don't. They can't even vote, so like that are

1895
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 1: getting them involved. I do find it hard with them,

1896
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 1: um and deal with my own kids when you talk

1897
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: about politicizing, because something will come up and it's like

1898
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 1: extremely complicated, and they'll pick up a sentiment and I

1899
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 1: almost one of them be like, no, even though that's

1900
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 1: a sentiment I just expressed, don't have that sentiment, well

1901
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 1: kind of because there's a whole lot of things that

1902
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 1: went into that sentiment, and so just don't like how

1903
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: old are your children? Don't ride your bike? Uh, six

1904
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 1: eight and eleven? So I think if I were raising

1905
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 1: my kids now, thank god I'm not. They're all out

1906
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 1: of the house and all sort of happy and well adjusted.

1907
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 1: But if I were raising them now, I would push

1908
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 1: back against this ship because they are they are. There

1909
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 1: are totally unscrupulous people who are trying to politicize kids.

1910
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 1: And I don't almost don't care what your political views are.

1911
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,559
Speaker 1: Stay the funk away from children. I mean that, like,

1912
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You know, you're not allowed to

1913
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 1: have sex with children. You shouldn't be allowed to politicize

1914
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, their children, like stop And people are so

1915
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 1: aggressive in the world that I use to live in

1916
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 1: about throwing propaganda in your kids faces and laying these

1917
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 1: heavy duty moral trips on them and all the stuff

1918
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 1: that is so wrong that I think that if I

1919
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 1: had kids in like sixth grade, and they were coming

1920
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 1: home and saying stuff and be like, you know, fuck

1921
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 1: your teachers, honestly, fuck your teachers. Excuse me, sorry, Like

1922
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: I feel that way really strongly. I think it's like,

1923
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 1: it's so immoral to do that to someone who can't

1924
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 1: fight back over whom you have power. Teachers have power

1925
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 1: over kids. They can't disagree, Like, who would do something

1926
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 1: like that. You're not able to captive audience, I think that, yeah,

1927
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 1: and you're not able to give the full they're they're

1928
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:41,599
Speaker 1: not equipped to understand like all the steps that got

1929
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:44,759
Speaker 1: there exactly. So when you introduce, like when you introduce

1930
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 1: even contemporary subjects to them, um, you lose sight of

1931
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 1: the fact that you're carrying behind you sort of like

1932
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 1: decades worth of understanding the evolution of ideas, and then

1933
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you just deliver them. They'd be like,

1934
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 1: you're giving them the answer without showing them the work.

1935
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 1: That's a really smart analogy, and I I recoil from it.

1936
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 1: But then I also don't want them to be like

1937
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't want them to be naive and idiots. Well,

1938
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 1: kids also have a hair trigger sense of moral outrage.

1939
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 1: All children do. It's very easy to exploit. So it's

1940
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 1: very easy to tell kids there's a right side and

1941
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: a wrong side. The wrong side is im moral, the

1942
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 1: right side is virtuous, and kids will buy it. Kids

1943
01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:27,559
Speaker 1: are extremely judgmental because they're not aware of their own

1944
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 1: shortcomings because they haven't failed yet. So your average fifty

1945
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 1: two year old, which is where I find myself, it's

1946
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 1: a little bit harder to judge because you're like, you know,

1947
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 1: I kind of get I disagree with what you're doing,

1948
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,479
Speaker 1: but I kind of get why you're doing it, or

1949
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 1: in that circumstances, maybe I would do the same. You're

1950
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,760
Speaker 1: you're less judgmental as you age because you understand how

1951
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:48,719
Speaker 1: incredibly complex life is and decisions are hard to wise,

1952
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 1: decisions are hard to reach, and sometimes people fail and

1953
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 1: you've failed, and you know, as my father Sho said,

1954
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 1: I was a kid, the root of all wisdom is

1955
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:57,679
Speaker 1: knowing what an asshole you are, And as you age,

1956
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 1: you appreciate what an asshole you are. Kids do appreciate that,

1957
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: and so you can turn them into the camera rousion

1958
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes and the cameras literally did this with

1959
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 1: kids that'd be like, you know, you know, here's an

1960
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 1: a K forty seven. Those are the bad guys, go

1961
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:15,599
Speaker 1: kill them. They're like okay. And so to exploit that

1962
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 1: weakness in children strikes me as especially dishonorable. It really

1963
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 1: really did. I'm like so offended by it, I can't

1964
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: even And by the way it, you know, it goes.

1965
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 1: That's saying that the politics that kids are being exposed

1966
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 1: to are not my politics. But even if they were,

1967
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 1: I would disagree with it. I just I'm just liberal

1968
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 1: in a traditional sense that way. I think we should

1969
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 1: keep kids out of it. I really do uh talk

1970
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:44,639
Speaker 1: talk through when you get involved in something like pebble mind,

1971
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 1: like on your show, I mean, you gotta be like

1972
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:49,800
Speaker 1: inundated with all like every issue on the planet, right,

1973
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:54,640
Speaker 1: And here's the one that probably um wasn't like it

1974
01:48:54,800 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 1: wasn't in the news cycle, you know, on a national sense.

1975
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it wasn't sort of like driving the

1976
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: day's news, right, but you you kind of like hit

1977
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 1: on a thing like this an address and had people

1978
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:10,439
Speaker 1: come talk about it and it's not a ratings play. No, no,

1979
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 1: it's definitely not my press. Like really Bristol Bay a

1980
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 1: lask like what the salmon spawn come on? How often

1981
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 1: do you get like how often do you do a

1982
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 1: thing where you bring a thing up that that is

1983
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: sort of dovetailed with your personal Like you don't do

1984
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 1: a fishing report every night? You're interesting fishing? Well, you know,

1985
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 1: I try not, And this is something else you fight

1986
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 1: against his u h. I try not to be boorish,

1987
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 1: Like if you had given me any leash at all,

1988
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 1: I would have bored you about fly tying for like

1989
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 1: an hour because I can't control myself. You know, how

1990
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 1: do you wrap the hackle? That's not the right way

1991
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 1: to palmer, Like, I could actually get stultifying on the subject,

1992
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:48,640
Speaker 1: but you pull yourself back, so you try try to

1993
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 1: be self aware and like, just because your interesting doesn't

1994
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 1: mean other people are and whatever, So I pull back

1995
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 1: a lot. I have all kinds of weird obsessions um,

1996
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: mostly having to do with hunting and fishing and nature

1997
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 1: and animals. Dogs. I'm really we have four dogs. They

1998
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:03,720
Speaker 1: sleep on the bed, four spaniels you know, like, so

1999
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: I could do like a dog show, but not everyone else,

2000
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:10,640
Speaker 1: Not everyone thinks like springers and English cockers are as

2001
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 1: endlessly fascinating as I think they are. Literally exactly. I

2002
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 1: literally looked at pictures of my spaniels on the plane

2003
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: today flying here. That's how obsessed him. But I don't

2004
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to impose that in my audience because

2005
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 1: they're not as interested as I am. But occasionally there's

2006
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 1: there's a subject that the emotion comes welling up in

2007
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 1: such a way that I can't pull it back, and

2008
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: destroying the largest salmon spawning ground in the world because

2009
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 1: some Canadian copper company wants more, you know, no, And

2010
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 1: I just felt like that crossed a line in my mind.

2011
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: And it does match up with something that I try

2012
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:47,519
Speaker 1: to introduce as a concept a lot, which is the

2013
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 1: more that people, especially I'm just gonna say it, I

2014
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 1: am one of them, but the more that rich people

2015
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:55,720
Speaker 1: virtue signal about the environment and the earth, the more

2016
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: they tend to kind of degrade the environment in the earth.

2017
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: The more we talk about climate and I'm not anying

2018
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 1: the existence of climate change at all, It's clear to me.

2019
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 1: On the other hand, the more we focus on that,

2020
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,160
Speaker 1: the more I noticed that, like the places I fish

2021
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 1: become dirtier and there's more garbage by the side of

2022
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 1: the stream, Like whatever happened to stopping littering, Like if

2023
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 1: you can't stop littering, then you're failing as a conservationist,

2024
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 1: Like because littering is despoiling the environment and stuff like that.

2025
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 1: I just I really feel strongly about that. And air

2026
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 1: and water quality is like the most basic level of conservation.

2027
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 1: There's nothing theoretical about it. If the water is too

2028
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:33,759
Speaker 1: dirty for the fish to live, you're guilty of a crime.

2029
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it. It's super simple, and

2030
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 1: we can measure that. It's not hard to know whether

2031
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:41,720
Speaker 1: that's happening. You know, we don't need some scientific model. Well,

2032
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:44,920
Speaker 1: really is the hockey stick real? Like what was the

2033
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 1: temperature in medieval Europe? We don't need to guess about

2034
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:51,240
Speaker 1: water quality. We can find out immediately and we can

2035
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 1: look at the fishery and the health of the fishery

2036
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: and you know, d D T. We didn't need to

2037
01:51:57,120 --> 01:52:00,320
Speaker 1: guess that it was killing birds of prey because suddenly

2038
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 1: there are fewer birds of prey. Like we knew that

2039
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:04,759
Speaker 1: the shells were getting thinner, and you know, Rachel Carson

2040
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:07,559
Speaker 1: was right, Okay, so we stopped you anyway, you see

2041
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:10,600
Speaker 1: my point. So on that subject, it was like, you know,

2042
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm not against mining, I'm not against extraction. I'm not

2043
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:18,360
Speaker 1: against medals. As a shooter. You know, I go through

2044
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: a lot of copper, so I'm I'm for copper. Copper. Yeah,

2045
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,240
Speaker 1: I have jars and pennies in my closet, so you know,

2046
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not against copper. But it's a balance. You know,

2047
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:30,759
Speaker 1: there are coppers found in a lot of different places,

2048
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 1: and like, how about we don't destroy this very rare place.

2049
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,360
Speaker 1: And I was just in this weird circumstance or no

2050
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 1: fault on my own, where I had some small man,

2051
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm a talk show host, I'm not elected to anything.

2052
01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 1: I have no actual power. But there was just this

2053
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:48,000
Speaker 1: weird confluence of events where I did have some measure

2054
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 1: of influence on this one specific thing. Yeah, it was timed,

2055
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was timed right. Yeah. And again, my

2056
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 1: job is just to explain what I think the news means.

2057
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:59,320
Speaker 1: It's a really simple job. My job is not to

2058
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:01,840
Speaker 1: change the world old it's not to make you know,

2059
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 1: lead a movement or anything like that. I mean, I

2060
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 1: have a very narrowly defined job description in my head.

2061
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:08,599
Speaker 1: What's going on in the world, what does it mean?

2062
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 1: That's it. That's my whole job. And I write my

2063
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,559
Speaker 1: script every I write my open every night. I'm gonna

2064
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:15,679
Speaker 1: write it after the show. And that's what I brewed

2065
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:17,719
Speaker 1: on him. I'm basically a writer that I'm not basically,

2066
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm literally a writer. That's my job. So I don't

2067
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 1: see myself as like waking up every morning to make

2068
01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:27,720
Speaker 1: the world better, you know, save some fishing spot that

2069
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:30,720
Speaker 1: I happened to like. But it just so happened that,

2070
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, I had the for a fleeting second, the

2071
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 1: power to have a small effect on this one thing

2072
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,639
Speaker 1: that I cared about, and so I did. I tried

2073
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:41,160
Speaker 1: to make a habit of that. I'm not an activist.

2074
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:43,680
Speaker 1: On the opposite of an activist, what's the opposite of

2075
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 1: an activist? I like to watch. I'm a voyeur. I

2076
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:55,839
Speaker 1: started as a print journalist. My dad was a print journalist.

2077
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 1: Like he. My dad had politics. I have politics. But

2078
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 1: ultimately you're job is to is to just sit quietly

2079
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 1: and watch things and try and figure out what they mean.

2080
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:08,280
Speaker 1: And tell people what happened. I mean, I really feel

2081
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:11,799
Speaker 1: that way. But what was so interesting about that moment

2082
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:15,160
Speaker 1: in time, over the course of how long the back

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01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 1: and forth of pebble mind has been going, was, uh,

2084
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 1: the activists from all corners of the activist world said,

2085
01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:30,280
Speaker 1: holy shit, even Tucker Carlson's talking about this. People are

2086
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: so dumb. It's like, even Carls and what, I'm on

2087
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 1: the side of some Canadian copper mine, Like, why would

2088
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:38,920
Speaker 1: I be on that side? And I like Canada. I

2089
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 1: fished a lot in Canada, I used to have property

2090
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 1: in Canada, But like, why would I necessarily be on

2091
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,720
Speaker 1: that side. It's just just how dumb people are. They're like, well,

2092
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:49,520
Speaker 1: you must be for this. Well, no, actually I'm not.

2093
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:51,720
Speaker 1: You know where people have assumption. I don't really care

2094
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 1: what people think of me. Obviously you can't be this

2095
01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 1: hated if you care, and I really don't. But I'm

2096
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 1: always kind of amazed by the assumption that people have,

2097
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:02,840
Speaker 1: well you must think this, will know, why would I

2098
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:06,520
Speaker 1: think that? No, I really don't. And on the just

2099
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 1: because I don't have any weird mystical reason, but I

2100
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 1: I just really enjoy the outdoors. I have my whole life,

2101
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 1: and I have my views on actual environmental stuff are

2102
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:20,560
Speaker 1: definitely more on the radical side. I just you know,

2103
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that we should ban wood stoves because

2104
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 1: of climate change so like, but that doesn't mean I mean,

2105
01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think some of the climate stuff is

2106
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 1: is a pure power grab. And I noticed because I

2107
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 1: lived there for thirty years. I know a lot of

2108
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 1: the people involved in it, and you know, they don't

2109
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 1: ever go outside like ever. They know nothing about the

2110
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 1: natural world. And you're lecturing me on the environment. Really,

2111
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, who do There's another agenda here, and it's

2112
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,640
Speaker 1: a political agenda. It's politics, of course, so there's a

2113
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 1: political agenda. But the pure conservation environmentalist agenda is something

2114
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:57,480
Speaker 1: I buy one hundred percent. Why wouldn't I? I I love nature,

2115
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 1: It's at the center of my life. You saying you

2116
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:05,080
Speaker 1: mentioned um Rachel Carlson. Rachel Carson made me think of

2117
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow. You guys lined up at some point in

2118
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 1: your career. Is at a news organization when you're young? Yeah,

2119
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:14,560
Speaker 1: I hired her. Actually, Um, I had a show. There

2120
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:17,080
Speaker 1: was a period when MSNBC didn't sort of know what

2121
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 1: it was. I had just I've beenn't seeing n for

2122
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 1: a long time. Um, I hated them. They were just

2123
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:24,800
Speaker 1: so loathsome Oh my god, they're like the worst people.

2124
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 1: Was like the collection of the worst people in the world,

2125
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:29,320
Speaker 1: all worked in one place, made it convenient to avoid

2126
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 1: it was it was, it was, And ultimately I laughed

2127
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 1: and MS was trying to rebrand as like a more

2128
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:36,040
Speaker 1: populous I don't know what. They didn't really know what

2129
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,720
Speaker 1: they wanted, but they made me the lead anchor there.

2130
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 1: I was later fired for low ratings. It didn't work. Um,

2131
01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: but while I was there, I wanted someone to debate,

2132
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to like that's what you guys

2133
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,920
Speaker 1: link up was. Yeah. So I went through. We actually

2134
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 1: had all these tapes from different agents like people, well

2135
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 1: you should hire my client or whatever. And I got

2136
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 1: to hers and I was like, Wow, this woman is

2137
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 1: really smart and she's a she's a linear thinker. She'd

2138
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, if this happens, then that happens. She wasn't.

2139
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 1: She was very rational in her debate STYT, which I love,

2140
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 1: and she's a nice person and so we brought her on.

2141
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:11,440
Speaker 1: We hired her to do this debate segment, and I

2142
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:13,120
Speaker 1: thought she was great. I always got along with her.

2143
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:17,000
Speaker 1: Um in later life she got obsessed with fishing. That's

2144
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:19,680
Speaker 1: what I wanted to ask about fishing. Yes, I knew

2145
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 1: that you guys had had some overlap at a news organization,

2146
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 1: and I knew she liked to fish. I was curious,

2147
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:30,160
Speaker 1: if you guys are like, just like a funny play fishing.

2148
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Well it was well, Actually what happened was she wasn't

2149
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:35,840
Speaker 1: into fishing when she was a radio host actually on

2150
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 1: this like progressive UH network Air America that later went

2151
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 1: to FUNCTI. I remember that wasn't l frank and Franken

2152
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 1: started it exactly and it was just a different time,

2153
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, where you could have friends with different views.

2154
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:50,040
Speaker 1: That it was like a satellite show right right exactly,

2155
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:51,840
Speaker 1: a big serious or whatever the hell. And she was

2156
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 1: not into fishing. I was. In fact, one of the

2157
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:57,120
Speaker 1: reasons I got fired was I would like fish too

2158
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,520
Speaker 1: much and not do my work. I was incredibly lazy

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01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:01,760
Speaker 1: and and tight old at the time. Getting fired makes

2160
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:04,160
Speaker 1: you less lazy and entitled. But I would literally this

2161
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:07,160
Speaker 1: show was shot in a warehouse in Cea Caucus, New Jersey,

2162
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 1: which is like it's it's where it's like a post

2163
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 1: industrial wastee. It's where all the slaughter houses words right

2164
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:14,640
Speaker 1: outside the city, on the other side of the Lincoln Tunnel.

2165
01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 1: It's truly unattractive, but they're all these retaining ponds there,

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01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 1: and so I would always bring my fly rod and

2167
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:27,160
Speaker 1: just like bass fish before the show. And anyway, I

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01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:29,800
Speaker 1: ultimately got fired because people see you on TV, is

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01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:32,040
Speaker 1: that's safe to assume you were fishing within twenty four hours?

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01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 1: First of all? For sure? Well, now I mean I live.

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01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean I live on an island in a lake

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01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 1: where you know, fish rise off my dock, so it's

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01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 1: pretty easy. But anyway, I got fired, and she became

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01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 1: the star of the network, which she still is. That

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01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,040
Speaker 1: was fifteen at least fifteen years ago, and she went

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01:58:48,040 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 1: on to serious startum and she's like one of the

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01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:53,400
Speaker 1: most influential people in the Democratic Party. Then she got

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01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 1: into fishing, and then she got into fishing and she

2179
01:58:56,840 --> 01:58:58,840
Speaker 1: is she told me this, and I'm I'm probably gonna

2180
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,160
Speaker 1: butcher this, but I think was a friend of her said,

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01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 1: you're under a lot of stress. You should go out

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01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:05,520
Speaker 1: into New York Harbor. There's pretty good striper fishing certain

2183
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:07,800
Speaker 1: times a year, and you should pick up a fly

2184
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:09,240
Speaker 1: rod and see if you can take one on a popper,

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01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:11,960
Speaker 1: And she did after the show, like at night, which

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01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:15,240
Speaker 1: is pretty crazy also kind of dangerous actually to be

2187
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:17,320
Speaker 1: fishing in New York Harbor at night, you know. But whatever,

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01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:19,760
Speaker 1: But she got really really into it, like obsessed as

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01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 1: people do with the fly rod, you know, something about

2190
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:24,440
Speaker 1: the action of loading a rod. It's like one of

2191
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 1: the coolest sort of experiences in physics here, just like

2192
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:31,000
Speaker 1: how does that happen? You know? Anyway, she got really

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01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 1: into it, and we've always gotten along. I've never criticized her.

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01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 1: I think she's totally sincere. You know, we just have

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01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:41,400
Speaker 1: different views, which has always been fine. We've never fished,

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01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, and she lives. I wanted. I wanted to

2197
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:46,840
Speaker 1: hear that. You guys, we never did, and I'm sure

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01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:50,040
Speaker 1: that we will because um some of the guys that

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01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:54,440
Speaker 1: UM tr CP know her. Well. I just never go

2200
01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:58,400
Speaker 1: anywhere because like why would I. So I go to

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01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:01,040
Speaker 1: I go to Montana and Alaska and that's about it.

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02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:04,160
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about a current event d thing. UM,

2203
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're up on it or not.

2204
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:10,560
Speaker 1: If you're not, you don't have to. UM. No, apologies necessary,

2205
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:14,400
Speaker 1: but they did. So they voted on if you don't

2206
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:15,800
Speaker 1: know this by now, like, we don't really, we don't

2207
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:18,160
Speaker 1: release these the day we make them. Anyways, today, whatever

2208
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:22,280
Speaker 1: the hell today is Thursday. It was a stone manning

2209
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:27,000
Speaker 1: the BLM. Biden's tapped the person he tapped to head

2210
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:29,040
Speaker 1: the BLM. You familiar with the story at all? Yep?

2211
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:35,400
Speaker 1: Someone an earth first person or yeah, seemingly layout. So

2212
02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:40,280
Speaker 1: so they we're texting about this morning. It's it's undecided.

2213
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:42,160
Speaker 1: It was like, but how is it a toss up?

2214
02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:43,960
Speaker 1: It's not a fifty to fifty toss up. It's like

2215
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,600
Speaker 1: a five to five toss up. No, the Senate Committee

2216
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 1: on Energy and Natural Resources voted. It was split along

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02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:54,680
Speaker 1: party lines. So stri party lines, Um, so the vote

2218
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 1: will go to the full Senate. This is a really

2219
02:00:57,120 --> 02:00:59,560
Speaker 1: tricky one, man, it is I agree, lay it out,

2220
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 1: just lay a layout. Who not the if stansor butts.

2221
02:01:04,360 --> 02:01:09,640
Speaker 1: When Tracy Stone manning Biden's pick his nominee for the

2222
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:15,280
Speaker 1: head of BLM Bureau of Land Management, Uh, she is

2223
02:01:15,960 --> 02:01:20,720
Speaker 1: or was at National Wildlife Federation, I believe is that

2224
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:25,600
Speaker 1: that is right now? Okay? Um, in her younger days

2225
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:31,120
Speaker 1: and this apparently was on record uh throughout her career,

2226
02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:36,760
Speaker 1: but now is much more much more on topic is

2227
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:40,080
Speaker 1: University Montana ble Steve and I went to the University

2228
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:44,120
Speaker 1: of Montana for stance Um. She was involved with earth First.

2229
02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:49,320
Speaker 1: Uh and like a radical group of Earth First, not

2230
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 1: as a high schooler, as a graduate student, as a

2231
02:01:52,040 --> 02:01:55,440
Speaker 1: graduate So you're getting up into you're getting up into

2232
02:01:55,480 --> 02:02:01,360
Speaker 1: being like a sentient beings. Ben, being a sentient being.

2233
02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:03,760
Speaker 1: Your parents shouldn't be coming in wave and a finger

2234
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,760
Speaker 1: and being like now you know better? Right, So you're like, yeah,

2235
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:10,840
Speaker 1: you're well into your twenties. Yes, and uh, this this

2236
02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:15,280
Speaker 1: group of Earth first 's uh, there's a logging operations

2237
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:17,400
Speaker 1: set set to go over the hill and the clear water.

2238
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:23,520
Speaker 1: Um they were protesting that. Uh. Within that group, they

2239
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:26,080
Speaker 1: decided in order to protest this, they were going to

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02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:29,920
Speaker 1: spike trees, which is the act of driving some sort

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02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:34,360
Speaker 1: of a rod into a tree that when a chainsaw

2242
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:40,920
Speaker 1: bar and chain hit that can have some catastrophic destructive

2243
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:46,120
Speaker 1: repercussions potentially with chunks of metal flying places. And you

2244
02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:49,800
Speaker 1: know it's it's a situation that can get somebody hurt. Yeah,

2245
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:52,760
Speaker 1: well I know that A I don't even know where

2246
02:02:52,920 --> 02:02:55,560
Speaker 1: I just read it in relation to this story that

2247
02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:59,320
Speaker 1: a mill at least one known mill worker was killed

2248
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:03,680
Speaker 1: from a blade hitting us an intentionally placed spike in

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02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:06,840
Speaker 1: in this situation or just in the history of it

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02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:09,960
Speaker 1: was like giving a round up on spiking how it's

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02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:12,440
Speaker 1: generally used to be that like done in the way

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02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:16,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna lay out people spike and they go like, hey,

2253
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:19,640
Speaker 1: heads up, don't even bother their spike. You wouldn't. Not

2254
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:21,960
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't. Um, you could also spike it not

2255
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:26,120
Speaker 1: tell anybody, which is I'm not trying to one better

2256
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:28,879
Speaker 1: than the other, but like worse than spiking is spiking

2257
02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:31,160
Speaker 1: and not telling anyone. You'd be like the I E.

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02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:35,160
Speaker 1: D or a land mine would be like the contemporary equivalent.

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02:03:35,240 --> 02:03:37,040
Speaker 1: I would say, I don't. I don't think that's too

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02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:40,160
Speaker 1: much of a stretch. You're hiding something that's gonna blow

2261
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:45,600
Speaker 1: up in somebody's face. Um. Now, the two sides of this,

2262
02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:50,280
Speaker 1: from what I understand is, uh, Tracy stone Manning has

2263
02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:56,840
Speaker 1: been uh called like part of the group no knew

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02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:01,200
Speaker 1: about the tree spiking, very involved. And then the other

2265
02:04:01,320 --> 02:04:04,880
Speaker 1: side would be that she just retyped a letter for

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02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,280
Speaker 1: the group and was in fact, like not that involved,

2267
02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:11,720
Speaker 1: but attached to it. And she turned state's evidence on

2268
02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:16,440
Speaker 1: the tree spikers, the folks that actually committed the act

2269
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:18,800
Speaker 1: of tree spiking. And I think too the guys went

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02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:23,720
Speaker 1: to prison, um for pretty good stance. You know, I'm

2271
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:28,880
Speaker 1: not mistake. And it was they wrote. Ah, it's described

2272
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:33,480
Speaker 1: um that subscribed in news articles as profanity laced. Uh.

2273
02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:37,040
Speaker 1: They wrote a profanity laced letter to the Forest Service saying, hey,

2274
02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:41,040
Speaker 1: we spiked the trees for some reason. I'll never understand this,

2275
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:44,600
Speaker 1: and only the people involved would know. She transcribed it.

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02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:48,440
Speaker 1: She typed a hand she typed a handwritten letter and

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02:04:48,600 --> 02:04:52,480
Speaker 1: turned the letter in later. UM. Her story was that, oh,

2278
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:56,400
Speaker 1: I was notifying them, like giving them the heads up.

2279
02:04:56,520 --> 02:04:58,040
Speaker 1: And in another way to look at it would be

2280
02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:00,400
Speaker 1: that you were complicit and it was part the plan

2281
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:02,200
Speaker 1: to do it and tell people, and so you were

2282
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:04,320
Speaker 1: part of it. You weren't like calling nine on one.

2283
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:06,880
Speaker 1: And I think she's trying to recast it as more

2284
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:09,440
Speaker 1: of like a nine one one call rather than a

2285
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:11,680
Speaker 1: I l part of all part of the plan call. Yeah.

2286
02:05:11,720 --> 02:05:16,520
Speaker 1: And I have, like I've transcribed plenty of stuff, and

2287
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't always do it without adding my own little right.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, there's there's parts of that

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Speaker 1: that I I just it's hard to say. But um,

2290
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:31,240
Speaker 1: so there's this. We can say that she's an eco terrorist,

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02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:35,440
Speaker 1: um or we can say she's just caught up in

2292
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:40,760
Speaker 1: the wrong crowd. But like the over arching thing here

2293
02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:43,560
Speaker 1: is like it did happen a long time ago, thirty

2294
02:05:43,640 --> 02:05:46,520
Speaker 1: years but we know that no one cares. There's no

2295
02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:49,960
Speaker 1: statutal limitations on anything anymore. Minute right, Um, but she's

2296
02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:54,840
Speaker 1: had a long career and has pretty darn good marks

2297
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:57,560
Speaker 1: as far as like her willingness to work with different

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02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:02,360
Speaker 1: groups and uh, you know, comple eat objectives on behalf

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02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:07,200
Speaker 1: of wild places throughout her career. Yeah. I don't buy

2300
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:09,880
Speaker 1: the thirty year thing because if someone made you could

2301
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:12,520
Speaker 1: make an off color joke thirty years ago and still

2302
02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:15,280
Speaker 1: lose your career. So the fact that you commit like uh,

2303
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,920
Speaker 1: like you are are are not involved in in an

2304
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:21,720
Speaker 1: act of terrorism, Like I don't think it would term out.

2305
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:23,840
Speaker 1: I think it's tricky. It's like I don't I try

2306
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:26,440
Speaker 1: to reading this morning, I try to get an opinion.

2307
02:06:26,520 --> 02:06:29,040
Speaker 1: I can't make a good opinion. I can't make a

2308
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:34,320
Speaker 1: good opinion, Like, I don't know, it's very tricky for

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration because here's like, oh, it's like, uh,

2310
02:06:38,640 --> 02:06:41,560
Speaker 1: it's radicalized domestic terrorism. And you've always been talking about

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02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:45,360
Speaker 1: that a whole bunch about not liking that, blaming me

2312
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:51,040
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean a bunch of

2313
02:06:51,200 --> 02:06:53,520
Speaker 1: different lean. First of all, I'm in Montana, So let

2314
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:55,000
Speaker 1: me just say, because I think it's required, I hate

2315
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:59,160
Speaker 1: peeling Bureau of Land. Man. Actually I don't hate pealing,

2316
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:02,160
Speaker 1: but I know that there I've had some intense conversations

2317
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:04,760
Speaker 1: about Bureau of Land Management fishing out here. People are

2318
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:07,280
Speaker 1: very strong feelings about them. Holy smokes. So as far

2319
02:07:07,320 --> 02:07:09,360
Speaker 1: as like if they're running their cattle out, whether they've

2320
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:11,960
Speaker 1: been managing whenever the public land. Well, I'm not gonna

2321
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:15,040
Speaker 1: get involved. This is not my region of the purity um.

2322
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:17,360
Speaker 1: But man, some people hate them, you know. I'd say

2323
02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:19,720
Speaker 1: a couple of things. One, you know, they're hiring a

2324
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:22,480
Speaker 1: lot of radicals, like actual radicals, which freaks me out

2325
02:07:22,520 --> 02:07:24,480
Speaker 1: because I'm one thing, I'm not as radical. I believe

2326
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:27,320
Speaker 1: in kind of incremental progress. I mean, I believe in nature,

2327
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:30,200
Speaker 1: which doesn't know, there's something radical about nature it's like, no,

2328
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:36,560
Speaker 1: they're there, big time radical. That guy's a freaking But

2329
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:38,920
Speaker 1: in this case, I have a bunch of different feelings. One,

2330
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Speaker 1: I live in a region that is defined by logging,

2331
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, lumber and paper mills. That's what you know,

2332
02:07:43,240 --> 02:07:48,400
Speaker 1: that's what it is. And I think the the threat

2333
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:52,920
Speaker 1: to forests is not Wherehouse or Meade I p you know,

2334
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:56,360
Speaker 1: it's not the traditional paper companies, the land management companies.

2335
02:07:56,600 --> 02:08:00,560
Speaker 1: It's the selling off of the physical assets of a

2336
02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:03,520
Speaker 1: lot of these companies to private equity firms like Beirut,

2337
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:07,320
Speaker 1: the Yale Endowment, the University Endowment. And the problem is

2338
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:10,880
Speaker 1: they whack the ship out of the land. And you know,

2339
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:14,280
Speaker 1: your traditional like the Pingree family in Maine, which they

2340
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:15,880
Speaker 1: own like a million acres of land they have for

2341
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:18,200
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty years, like they cut carefully because

2342
02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:21,440
Speaker 1: that's you know, it's their land. But when you disaggregate

2343
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:24,000
Speaker 1: this stuff, it creates incentives for people just to come

2344
02:08:24,040 --> 02:08:26,920
Speaker 1: in and just rape the land. And I'm against that.

2345
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a way to manage a forest that's

2346
02:08:29,240 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 1: good for everybody. And if the then gets chopped up

2347
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:35,440
Speaker 1: into really small places and sold off, then it's a

2348
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:37,400
Speaker 1: huge problem, like we don't get the forest back ever,

2349
02:08:37,640 --> 02:08:40,720
Speaker 1: thank you. So there are real concerns about how to

2350
02:08:40,760 --> 02:08:44,040
Speaker 1: manage forest, especially around fires. There's like an endless conversation

2351
02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:45,840
Speaker 1: that I'm super interested in because I live in the

2352
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:48,800
Speaker 1: middle of a forest. But not to be boring, but

2353
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:50,840
Speaker 1: so I think it's worth having a debate about how

2354
02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:55,720
Speaker 1: do we do this some of the the radicals you

2355
02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:58,920
Speaker 1: know on this subject, I am kind of sympathetic with

2356
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:04,920
Speaker 1: making trees is ridiculous because first of all, who's it hurt?

2357
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:09,760
Speaker 1: The working man, the most despised suffering group in America.

2358
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:12,200
Speaker 1: The people are dying of fentinelods, the people who live

2359
02:09:12,280 --> 02:09:14,360
Speaker 1: near me all. You know, every man in my county

2360
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:15,800
Speaker 1: has worked in the woods, as they say, in me

2361
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:18,640
Speaker 1: at one point or another. I had a chainsaw blow

2362
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:21,280
Speaker 1: up in me two years ago. I over sharpened the chain,

2363
02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:22,920
Speaker 1: you know those I don't know if you ever sharpened

2364
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:26,200
Speaker 1: a chainsaw chain, but the files are incredibly sharp and

2365
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:28,640
Speaker 1: you can weaken the chain if you're not paying attention.

2366
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:30,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have my glasses and I was and the

2367
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:34,600
Speaker 1: thing I was making a cut at shoulder height and

2368
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:37,960
Speaker 1: the chain broke and nothing happened. Actually it was totally fine,

2369
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:39,560
Speaker 1: but it scared the ship out of me. So like

2370
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:41,800
Speaker 1: the idea people can get really hurt, but you're on

2371
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:44,640
Speaker 1: a chance, say you had your your pro I didn't.

2372
02:09:44,680 --> 02:09:48,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know I had. Actually, honestly, I had those

2373
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:53,240
Speaker 1: whatever the stupid cheap ear protection that Hiccock forty five wears.

2374
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like the strap around because it

2375
02:09:54,840 --> 02:09:57,160
Speaker 1: does hurt your ears. And I didn't even have glasses

2376
02:09:57,200 --> 02:10:00,560
Speaker 1: on because it was like long story, but when it blops, no,

2377
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:03,080
Speaker 1: I did flip flog, but it was but it was

2378
02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:07,400
Speaker 1: just scary. Anyway, I'm very sympathetic, Like spiking trees hurts

2379
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:10,320
Speaker 1: exactly the wrong people if you're mad about what Warehouser's doing,

2380
02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:13,360
Speaker 1: taken up with the head of Warehouser and but not

2381
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:16,480
Speaker 1: the man who's cutting the trees. Absolutely, And that's but

2382
02:10:16,600 --> 02:10:18,400
Speaker 1: that's like one of the things that I battle with

2383
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:22,360
Speaker 1: on this conversation. That But it's also like the mark

2384
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 1: of a stupid kid, where it's like, have you ever

2385
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:29,360
Speaker 1: met a logger that is logging because they hate trees.

2386
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:32,480
Speaker 1: I've been around a lot along me too, and they

2387
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:36,200
Speaker 1: love trees and they can talk about trees forever. I mean,

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02:10:36,240 --> 02:10:38,120
Speaker 1: I have a guy who is one of my closest

2389
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:40,240
Speaker 1: friends in Maine. It was was longer alas like, but

2390
02:10:40,360 --> 02:10:42,160
Speaker 1: he can bore you for like three hours and did

2391
02:10:42,200 --> 02:10:45,000
Speaker 1: the other night just on hemlock. You know. The thing

2392
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:48,560
Speaker 1: about hemlock is I mean, and I'm not exaggerating, like

2393
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:52,000
Speaker 1: they love trees and you know everything about trees, and

2394
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:54,560
Speaker 1: now they have Feller bunchers where I live. So it's

2395
02:10:54,600 --> 02:10:57,520
Speaker 1: like you're sitting inside a cab, you know, cutting ten

2396
02:10:57,640 --> 02:10:59,800
Speaker 1: trees at once. There's no you know, spiking is not

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02:11:00,200 --> 02:11:03,080
Speaker 1: because skinners and chainsaws are gone. Actually they're not a

2398
02:11:03,160 --> 02:11:06,280
Speaker 1: part of industrial loging anymore. But the point is hitting

2399
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:09,440
Speaker 1: the guy on the ground who's making a wage. Really,

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02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:12,160
Speaker 1: if you're doing that, you're the exactly the kind of

2401
02:11:12,240 --> 02:11:15,680
Speaker 1: person I hate, which is a morally inflamed, out of touch,

2402
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:18,400
Speaker 1: rich college kid with head up his ass, Like that's

2403
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:21,080
Speaker 1: the wrong way to approach whatever you think the problem

2404
02:11:21,240 --> 02:11:23,240
Speaker 1: is is hurting the wager on or at the bottom

2405
02:11:23,240 --> 02:11:25,960
Speaker 1: of the food chain. I just hate that. But I

2406
02:11:26,120 --> 02:11:28,160
Speaker 1: do think that we should have a real conversation about

2407
02:11:28,240 --> 02:11:31,160
Speaker 1: forest management, and we're not because we're only about climate.

2408
02:11:31,200 --> 02:11:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm again, I'm not saying climate's not an issue. I

2409
02:11:32,840 --> 02:11:35,720
Speaker 1: think it is, but like we have actual solvable issues.

2410
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:37,720
Speaker 1: You know, how do you manage a forest? The beetle

2411
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:43,280
Speaker 1: kill it killed me. Forest management and climate change are

2412
02:11:43,400 --> 02:11:47,080
Speaker 1: like very dovetailed. They are, they are, but climate change,

2413
02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:50,840
Speaker 1: like climate change, is more real than the solutions to

2414
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:53,760
Speaker 1: climate change. So my problem the climate change is not

2415
02:11:54,280 --> 02:11:56,840
Speaker 1: does it exist or whatever? I mean, it's hard to measure,

2416
02:11:56,880 --> 02:11:58,840
Speaker 1: but to something sense, it's measurable. And as someone who

2417
02:11:58,920 --> 02:12:03,040
Speaker 1: loves to snowshoe, it's clearly something's going on where I snowshoe. Okay,

2418
02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:05,920
Speaker 1: I get it. But what do we do about it?

2419
02:12:06,040 --> 02:12:08,720
Speaker 1: Is the real question, And that's a highly politicized question,

2420
02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:11,760
Speaker 1: the nuanced question with a lot of unknowns. What's not

2421
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,400
Speaker 1: unknown is why the water quality sucks, or you know,

2422
02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:19,520
Speaker 1: if Beirut is somehow you know, selling off paper company

2423
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:22,200
Speaker 1: land for condos on Moosehead, Like I think we can

2424
02:12:22,240 --> 02:12:24,960
Speaker 1: be against that. I guess that's my point. So like,

2425
02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:27,839
Speaker 1: let's start with the things that we can actually affect

2426
02:12:28,200 --> 02:12:31,120
Speaker 1: that have known solutions, Like why not start there? Like

2427
02:12:31,320 --> 02:12:33,560
Speaker 1: how about no more throwing McDonald's bags at your window?

2428
02:12:34,080 --> 02:12:35,800
Speaker 1: How about when you come to this country, the first

2429
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:37,520
Speaker 1: thing you learned. We're totally welcome to have you. I'm

2430
02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm pro immigrant personally. We don't litter here. And by

2431
02:12:41,080 --> 02:12:42,520
Speaker 1: the way, if you literal were gonna cut your hands

2432
02:12:42,520 --> 02:12:45,120
Speaker 1: off because you're not allowed to do that. No littering,

2433
02:12:45,320 --> 02:12:49,160
Speaker 1: like no littering, just no littering. That would cut down

2434
02:12:49,200 --> 02:12:51,000
Speaker 1: on littering. Well, when I was a kid growing up

2435
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:53,920
Speaker 1: in California, littering was like the worst thing you could do.

2436
02:12:55,160 --> 02:12:57,560
Speaker 1: You know. The sexual ethics in the world I lived

2437
02:12:57,600 --> 02:12:59,000
Speaker 1: in were very loose. I would say, you could have

2438
02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:01,760
Speaker 1: sex with anybody. But throwing a beer can out a

2439
02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:06,040
Speaker 1: window there was the crying Indian. Remember that because remember,

2440
02:13:07,320 --> 02:13:10,920
Speaker 1: like littering was bad. I still feel that way. Don't

2441
02:13:11,400 --> 02:13:13,680
Speaker 1: wreck the land, you don't throw ship on the land,

2442
02:13:14,120 --> 02:13:16,960
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? They recreated that scene

2443
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:20,880
Speaker 1: in Wayne's world too, Spencer, if that's closer. But if

2444
02:13:20,920 --> 02:13:23,240
Speaker 1: I've got a fifty gallon druma used motor oil, maybe

2445
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:25,880
Speaker 1: don't pour it in the stream where I live. The

2446
02:13:26,440 --> 02:13:28,560
Speaker 1: paper companies they have, you know, they send the cruise in.

2447
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:30,600
Speaker 1: You can't cut in the spring because it's too wet.

2448
02:13:30,640 --> 02:13:33,800
Speaker 1: You can't get the machines in there. Um so you know,

2449
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:35,640
Speaker 1: late spring when it dries out a little bit, they'd

2450
02:13:35,640 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 1: send the cruise in to cut and the mosquitoes are

2451
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:42,200
Speaker 1: so intense, it's like Alaska in western Maine, that they

2452
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:44,040
Speaker 1: would take use motor oil and just pour it on

2453
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:48,160
Speaker 1: the streams because it you know, mosquitoes can't lay their

2454
02:13:48,160 --> 02:13:51,960
Speaker 1: eggs and yeah, or another thing that people did where

2455
02:13:51,960 --> 02:13:54,720
Speaker 1: I live is to rustproof their cars. They drill holes

2456
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:57,600
Speaker 1: around the top of the windows and they would pour

2457
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:02,280
Speaker 1: use motor oil into the car are frame, get into

2458
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:03,960
Speaker 1: the into the body of the car, and then it

2459
02:14:03,960 --> 02:14:06,200
Speaker 1: would solely drip out and that would keep your car

2460
02:14:06,280 --> 02:14:10,960
Speaker 1: from rusting. Remember that, Like that's bad, Like let's stop

2461
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:15,400
Speaker 1: that kind of thing before we start, you know, stopping

2462
02:14:15,480 --> 02:14:17,640
Speaker 1: my woodstove. I don't know where they're at on it now.

2463
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:22,680
Speaker 1: But there was, uh, who's the guy who's the guy

2464
02:14:22,720 --> 02:14:25,840
Speaker 1: that wrote like the no not the corrections, damn it?

2465
02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:29,040
Speaker 1: A novelist. I was reading his thing. He had to

2466
02:14:29,080 --> 02:14:32,560
Speaker 1: think about climate change, and he was looking at the

2467
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:36,360
Speaker 1: insurmountability of of addressing the issue, and he was like

2468
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:40,520
Speaker 1: basically pessimistic about the you know, getting like India on

2469
02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:44,040
Speaker 1: board and China on board and that do it, and

2470
02:14:44,120 --> 02:14:47,200
Speaker 1: he was like, the thing we can do is tighten

2471
02:14:47,320 --> 02:14:50,879
Speaker 1: up our program in all the areas that we can affect,

2472
02:14:51,680 --> 02:14:57,320
Speaker 1: meaning habitat preservation right clean, this is gonna go. There's

2473
02:14:57,360 --> 02:15:01,440
Speaker 1: one thing we can do, is is like batting down

2474
02:15:01,480 --> 02:15:03,880
Speaker 1: the hatches. That's how I feel, exactly know. And that

2475
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:07,320
Speaker 1: was and it was it was the thought provoking set

2476
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:09,760
Speaker 1: of ideas kind of like but I said, like I said,

2477
02:15:10,160 --> 02:15:12,840
Speaker 1: pessimistic or fatalistic, which is where I would you sit

2478
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:17,000
Speaker 1: because um on that one, I just looking and be like, oh, now,

2479
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:22,160
Speaker 1: globally like how climate change like to get the developing

2480
02:15:22,280 --> 02:15:25,520
Speaker 1: world on board, it just seems so hard to do. Man,

2481
02:15:26,280 --> 02:15:28,680
Speaker 1: So some people say, like, if it'll be, it'll wind

2482
02:15:28,720 --> 02:15:30,200
Speaker 1: up needing to be. It's gonna need to be a

2483
02:15:30,240 --> 02:15:34,440
Speaker 1: technological solution because it's not going to be that everyone

2484
02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:41,440
Speaker 1: that that globally everything, we have to revisit massive imperialism

2485
02:15:42,040 --> 02:15:45,080
Speaker 1: to get everybody on one program. And it's just harbon

2486
02:15:45,120 --> 02:15:48,640
Speaker 1: emissions are driven by industrial production and that's not what

2487
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:51,840
Speaker 1: we do anymore. We let other countries do exactly, so

2488
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:55,240
Speaker 1: the countries that and and global I mean, over time,

2489
02:15:55,600 --> 02:15:57,480
Speaker 1: the most powerful country in the world is the industrial

2490
02:15:57,520 --> 02:15:59,280
Speaker 1: power the country that makes the most ship has the

2491
02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:01,280
Speaker 1: most power. Was true of the UK, was true of

2492
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:03,520
Speaker 1: the U S. It's becoming true of China. So that's

2493
02:16:03,600 --> 02:16:06,280
Speaker 1: very obvious when you look over this scope of a

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Speaker 1: hundred years. So like, why would China say, well, we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna de industrialize right as we're taking over the world.

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Speaker 1: Probably not gonna happen. Same with India, same with Africa.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you're cooking dinner over cow pies,

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02:16:17,320 --> 02:16:19,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to have bottled LP gas, Like,

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02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:21,880
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you want that? And they do And I

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02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:25,440
Speaker 1: understand that. So I don't know, you need to kind

2501
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:28,440
Speaker 1: of keep that in mind that we're not going to

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Speaker 1: stop carbon emissions in a meaningful way until we can

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Speaker 1: stop the industrialized, the emerging industrialized powers from building coal plants.

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Speaker 1: And we can't because coal is just cheaper. How many

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Speaker 1: coal plants is China build? This? Ye, I'm attacking China.

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Speaker 1: I get it, that's their national interest. But we need

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Speaker 1: to be honest about it. Oh, we we would have

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02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:48,560
Speaker 1: to ignore our history here in the United States in

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02:16:48,640 --> 02:16:50,400
Speaker 1: order to but we're not going to be honest. And

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Speaker 1: and but let me just say this, is one thing

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Speaker 1: I am an expert on. I'm not an expert on

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Speaker 1: global climate change. I spent a lot of time reading

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02:16:55,959 --> 02:16:57,680
Speaker 1: about it, but I'm not hardly an expert. Obviously, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a scientist. I'm an expert on politics. I think

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Speaker 1: I can say that concludes of Lee. And whenever politicians

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02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:06,400
Speaker 1: of either party enter into a political debate, the solutions

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02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:08,280
Speaker 1: will be political. And by political, I mean they will

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02:17:08,280 --> 02:17:11,160
Speaker 1: be designed to enhance the power of the people designing

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Speaker 1: the solutions. Sorry, that that's what it is. That's what

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02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:19,360
Speaker 1: politics is. How do I, yeah, exactly, how do I

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02:17:19,480 --> 02:17:22,280
Speaker 1: empower myself and dis empower you? And to pretend that

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02:17:22,360 --> 02:17:24,800
Speaker 1: because we call something science, that the rules of politics,

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02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:27,600
Speaker 1: which are fundamental laws that are unchanging, don't apply your

2524
02:17:27,640 --> 02:17:30,280
Speaker 1: lying and the true but it's also true for COVID

2525
02:17:30,320 --> 02:17:32,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mean COVID it's not real. It doesn't mean we

2526
02:17:32,320 --> 02:17:34,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't take precautions against our trying fight it or whatever.

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02:17:34,560 --> 02:17:36,400
Speaker 1: We should do all kinds of things. But the second

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02:17:36,440 --> 02:17:39,560
Speaker 1: politicians enter into the equation, they're overriding concern is how

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02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:41,880
Speaker 1: will these solutions make me more powerful? And that's just

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02:17:42,400 --> 02:17:45,200
Speaker 1: always true. It doesn't matter what the topic is, and

2531
02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:46,959
Speaker 1: for the rest of us to pretend it's not because

2532
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:50,119
Speaker 1: someone yelled science in a crowded theater relying to ourselves

2533
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:52,360
Speaker 1: and we're not. You know, we're not going to get

2534
02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:55,680
Speaker 1: to the wisest answer if we pretend that politicians aren't

2535
02:17:55,720 --> 02:17:58,680
Speaker 1: always acting to make themselves more powerful and us less powerful,

2536
02:17:58,680 --> 02:18:02,360
Speaker 1: because they are always that's true account. Can I get

2537
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:10,080
Speaker 1: an amen? Yeah? I believe you, Laz Joonan Tuck, Carlson Spence,

2538
02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:15,959
Speaker 1: what do you need to plug? Wrote me a note

2539
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:18,200
Speaker 1: through my computer. One last thing. We set up an

2540
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:21,600
Speaker 1: email address called Trivia at the mediator dot com so

2541
02:18:21,640 --> 02:18:23,960
Speaker 1: you can wait to see how it went. Wouldn't That's

2542
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:25,760
Speaker 1: what I want. Send an email there, tell me what

2543
02:18:25,879 --> 02:18:27,840
Speaker 1: you like, tell me what you didn't like, tell me

2544
02:18:28,360 --> 02:18:30,760
Speaker 1: if there's something you think I got wrong. But most

2545
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:32,760
Speaker 1: of all, I want you to write in with your

2546
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:35,520
Speaker 1: own questions that you want to stump Steve and the

2547
02:18:35,600 --> 02:18:37,480
Speaker 1: crew with. And if we use your question and give

2548
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:40,480
Speaker 1: you a shout out on the podcast, and do you

2549
02:18:40,520 --> 02:18:43,600
Speaker 1: want to invite their feedback about whether you should be

2550
02:18:43,640 --> 02:18:48,160
Speaker 1: given more time and more latitude to pursue your trivia dream. Yes,

2551
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:50,200
Speaker 1: I want you to convince Steve that this is a

2552
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:54,039
Speaker 1: good idea. I can't believe I lost to a clerical

2553
02:18:54,200 --> 02:19:00,640
Speaker 1: error on my own. I never, I never, I never

2554
02:19:00,720 --> 02:19:04,480
Speaker 1: finish explained what you guys are fighting about. Oh last night? Yeah,

2555
02:19:04,560 --> 02:19:06,960
Speaker 1: so they got a real bad fight, real bad. It

2556
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:10,280
Speaker 1: was hard to track. Rode was more pointing out that

2557
02:19:10,400 --> 02:19:14,879
Speaker 1: you could now use a muzzleloader and flintlock. So fed up,

2558
02:19:14,879 --> 02:19:20,640
Speaker 1: she just almost left. My wife wanted to go home.

2559
02:19:20,720 --> 02:19:23,760
Speaker 1: She's so irritated. Uh. We had a debate last night.

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02:19:24,959 --> 02:19:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying because we got like it wasn't clear. It

2561
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:35,920
Speaker 1: became that Um, it turned into this is this is

2562
02:19:35,959 --> 02:19:39,039
Speaker 1: what they got some mad about. It turned into would

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Speaker 1: having a flintlock season at that time contribute to pushing

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02:19:46,400 --> 02:19:50,760
Speaker 1: more Elk off public land onto private and would they

2565
02:19:50,879 --> 02:19:53,879
Speaker 1: then return? I think that's what you guys were fighting about.

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02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:57,360
Speaker 1: We got into that, for sure, and Cal At one

2567
02:19:57,440 --> 02:20:01,879
Speaker 1: point Um tried to put Broody in his place, Kel

2568
02:20:02,040 --> 02:20:05,800
Speaker 1: saying I wouldn't come and tell you about wolves in Colorado,

2569
02:20:06,280 --> 02:20:09,720
Speaker 1: don't tell me about Elk and Montana. That was one

2570
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:15,360
Speaker 1: of the lower points. That was the point him an

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02:20:15,360 --> 02:20:21,920
Speaker 1: asshole question. Flintlock? Is it rifle barrel or muskets, rifled

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02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:26,080
Speaker 1: barrel primitive like okay, traditional not in the new in

2573
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:30,760
Speaker 1: but the lock is traditional, but the barrel is ok

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02:20:30,920 --> 02:20:33,640
Speaker 1: you can usually kill elk and you gotta and you

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02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:36,400
Speaker 1: can't use a telescope. You can't use the scope. Yeah,

2576
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:39,360
Speaker 1: but it was it was the reason. Here's why they

2577
02:20:39,360 --> 02:20:41,320
Speaker 1: were so testy about it. Um, I don't want to

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02:20:41,320 --> 02:20:42,960
Speaker 1: spend a ton time. They were so testy about it

2579
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:46,640
Speaker 1: because it's a it's a part of a longer thing.

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02:20:46,760 --> 02:20:50,720
Speaker 1: There's a conversation about are we pushing elk too hard?

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02:20:51,160 --> 02:20:53,840
Speaker 1: Too long? Yeah, that's a fair And so it was

2582
02:20:53,959 --> 02:20:57,040
Speaker 1: like this was like a proxy battle you had like

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02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:01,360
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union in America, right, which is like are

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02:21:01,440 --> 02:21:03,640
Speaker 1: we That was that? And then this was a flare

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02:21:03,720 --> 02:21:07,960
Speaker 1: up in Louse, you know about the flint lock that

2586
02:21:08,120 --> 02:21:11,600
Speaker 1: you guys are fighting about. Are we pushing elk too hard? Yeah?

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02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:14,879
Speaker 1: And then but it took the form of like yet

2588
02:21:14,959 --> 02:21:17,920
Speaker 1: another example of we don't even need to get that

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02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:21,720
Speaker 1: we do on half of the word opportunity, Like everything's

2590
02:21:21,720 --> 02:21:24,360
Speaker 1: good if we provide more opportunity. Yeah, And at a

2591
02:21:24,440 --> 02:21:29,320
Speaker 1: point it might be just you can't kill elk seven

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02:21:29,360 --> 02:21:31,440
Speaker 1: months out of the year and meanwhile, while folks at

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02:21:31,440 --> 02:21:33,760
Speaker 1: the dinner table are getting uncomfortable and with like and

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02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:38,480
Speaker 1: Steve is scoring it like a boxing match. That's a

2595
02:21:38,520 --> 02:21:42,680
Speaker 1: great point, Brodie. And then Brodi would take is here

2596
02:21:42,680 --> 02:21:44,760
Speaker 1: and he said, oh, well, said Brodie, cow what he got.

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Speaker 1: But does anyone think it's kind of I mean, to

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Speaker 1: shoot an elk with a frontlock does seem like kind

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02:21:49,320 --> 02:21:52,720
Speaker 1: of sporting. That's the problem with the end of the

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02:21:52,840 --> 02:21:55,119
Speaker 1: argument is like, what do you gotta get flat? Like nothing?

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02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:57,120
Speaker 1: If it goes into effect, I will get one and

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02:21:57,200 --> 02:22:00,440
Speaker 1: kill an elk withly. But what I'm saying in the

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02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:03,039
Speaker 1: end it was a pointless argument. So what's the range

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02:22:03,080 --> 02:22:07,920
Speaker 1: for effective range for pontock? We need to put it?

2605
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:10,400
Speaker 1: Because Seth grew up in the first state to ever

2606
02:22:10,480 --> 02:22:14,039
Speaker 1: have a flint lock deer season Pennsylvania. Did you learn

2607
02:22:14,040 --> 02:22:16,720
Speaker 1: all about this? Watch media on Netflix coming up September

2608
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,840
Speaker 1: Because you're hunting white tails that go insane after they've

2609
02:22:20,879 --> 02:22:23,240
Speaker 1: been hunted with rifles for a couple of stuff. Did

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02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:27,119
Speaker 1: you ever take one of the phont lock? Yeah? Several? Wow, Yeah, yeah,

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02:22:27,160 --> 02:22:29,320
Speaker 1: we used to. It was the last season of the year,

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02:22:29,360 --> 02:22:31,200
Speaker 1: so it was like your last chance to get a

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02:22:31,240 --> 02:22:33,360
Speaker 1: deer for the standard. Are you talking to them? A

2614
02:22:33,480 --> 02:22:37,960
Speaker 1: lot of deer drives? I forgot they do that. Oh yeah, man, yeah,

2615
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:41,360
Speaker 1: we shot an episode all about I haven't seen I've

2616
02:22:41,400 --> 02:22:44,720
Speaker 1: never done that. We haven't released yet, and I'll just

2617
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:47,040
Speaker 1: tell you right now, well I could. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: like Spencer to watch all right, everybody, Uh, talker, thanks

2619
02:22:53,600 --> 02:22:55,680
Speaker 1: so much for coming out. It's fun to talk. This

2620
02:22:55,760 --> 02:22:57,320
Speaker 1: is what you guys do for a living. I really

2621
02:22:57,480 --> 02:23:02,600
Speaker 1: envy you. Oh yeah, painted about flintlock l hunting like

2622
02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:04,879
Speaker 1: you've already won. I don't know what you get paid,

2623
02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:07,360
Speaker 1: but you you win. Well. We're going up to the

2624
02:23:07,640 --> 02:23:13,280
Speaker 1: fish shack in Alaska, uh, starting tomorrow, right, and you

2625
02:23:13,360 --> 02:23:15,720
Speaker 1: know the rule up there is no politics over dinner either,

2626
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:19,360
Speaker 1: So good. I like that it is now. I'm just saying, yeah,

2627
02:23:19,400 --> 02:23:22,920
Speaker 1: we should like that. But but I'm bringing my three

2628
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:25,000
Speaker 1: kids too, so that would violate the other rule about

2629
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:28,040
Speaker 1: not politicizing children. That's true. It's all about our treble

2630
02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:32,240
Speaker 1: hook snagging. You know what I like in salt water

2631
02:23:32,840 --> 02:23:36,160
Speaker 1: up there, You've got a position that of course you do,

2632
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:41,920
Speaker 1: but you are allowed like it's yeah, put that down

2633
02:23:41,959 --> 02:23:47,120
Speaker 1: in future talking point future like saltwater snagging. Uh, okay,

2634
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:50,360
Speaker 1: you're not. It's not. And I'm sorry it's not. And

2635
02:23:50,440 --> 02:23:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't care if you have a native exemption, it's not.

2636
02:23:52,760 --> 02:23:54,960
Speaker 1: And and put this question in there, why is it

2637
02:23:55,080 --> 02:23:57,240
Speaker 1: so much easier to land a salmon with a fly rod?

2638
02:23:58,680 --> 02:24:01,760
Speaker 1: Because about eyes in their mouths? Because when not hooked

2639
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:05,800
Speaker 1: in the postman, No, that's totally true. Actually, I like

2640
02:24:05,959 --> 02:24:08,440
Speaker 1: my son's always on me for foul hooking fish on

2641
02:24:08,560 --> 02:24:11,240
Speaker 1: dry flies. Your resections aren't fast enough, whatever, But I

2642
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:14,160
Speaker 1: always argue it's it's actually more impressive to land of

2643
02:24:14,200 --> 02:24:19,400
Speaker 1: foul hook fish, like in the Dorsho fan. Yeah, oh

2644
02:24:19,440 --> 02:24:21,760
Speaker 1: my gosh, when he's out there and you can feel

2645
02:24:21,800 --> 02:24:24,600
Speaker 1: his tail moving, we say they fight harder when you

2646
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:29,960
Speaker 1: hook him in the motor. All right, everybody, thanks for joining,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for supporting the books to really appreciate it. Take care,