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Speaker 1: of the earth. What happened to Sherry? Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. First

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Speaker 1: of all, let's kick it off with a nine one

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Speaker 1: one call from his seemingly distraught husband. Listen, Hello, can

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Speaker 1: I help you? Yeah? Um, so I just got home

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Speaker 1: So I hit like to find my phone happening, and

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Speaker 1: it said that her. It showed her phone like at

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Speaker 1: our end of our drive. We don't have really good service. Okay,

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Speaker 1: You are hearing the nine one one call from husband

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Speaker 1: Keith describing what happens when he gets home. Normally, when

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Speaker 1: long past pick up time? Where is wife Sherry? That's

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Speaker 1: where the investigation starts with me an all star panel

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Speaker 1: to break, get down and put it back together again.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober forensic Psychiatrists. You can find him on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD,

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Speaker 1: twenty two on homicide and author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer.

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Speaker 1: Gary gene Grant at Cloyd Steiger dot com, renowned professor

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Speaker 1: of forensics, jacksonvill State University death investigator and author of

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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet. Joseph Scott Morgan, Crime Online dot

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Speaker 1: com investigator reporter Nicole Parton, and special guests joining US

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Speaker 1: private investigator Bill Garcia specializing in abduction cases at Bill

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Speaker 1: First of all, to you, Nicole parton crime online dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Describe the scene when the husband, Keith gets home. He

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Speaker 1: got home in the afternoon, shortly after five thirty, close

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Speaker 1: every day he would go off to work. Look, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, right there, right there, Nicole, Sorry, but was

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Speaker 1: it corroborated that he was at work all day and

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Speaker 1: he was at work at best Buy all day, as

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Speaker 1: Justice Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State, explain the fine,

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Speaker 1: my iPhone app, I use it all the time. Yeah. Actually,

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Speaker 1: You know. Another issue to Nicole Parton, isn't it true

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Speaker 1: you why go with me, Cloyd Steiger, just for a moment.

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Speaker 1: If you're jogging and you have your iPhone, you're carrying

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Speaker 1: but Keith is determined to find her. She was listening.

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Speaker 1: him an Instagram, doctor Daniel Bober, Doctor Bober. That means

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Speaker 1: Bill Garcia, My first indication was that the actual disappearance

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Speaker 1: the branding type situation, and I do believe that that

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Speaker 1: was a possibility based on that both old Oregon Trail

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Speaker 1: high Way five is almost a super highway for both

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Speaker 1: drug and sexual trafficking between Mexico and the Canadian border.

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Speaker 1: And I know that after all this occurred a law

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Speaker 1: that the task Force, both county and state increase their

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Speaker 1: presence in these areas and have been extremely low key

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Speaker 1: about what they're actually doing. Since I have received a

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Speaker 1: number of calls from people who said, hey, I know

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Speaker 1: who did it. One was out of Illinois. This particular

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Speaker 1: subject said that he had found a slim wallet with

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Speaker 1: a gallery picture or the studio picture of Sherry in

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Speaker 1: the wallet, which wouldn't be you wouldn't find that just somewhere.

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Speaker 1: That would have to be specific. That was ruled out

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Speaker 1: back in November of this last year, I got received

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Speaker 1: a second call from a gentleman in Oregon who said

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Speaker 1: that they had recently aired the story in Oregon and

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Speaker 1: he remembers seeing these two people and it was not

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Speaker 1: two women. It was a man and it was a woman.

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Speaker 1: And he saw them about three weeks prior to the

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Speaker 1: abduction as a food DISI and I said, well, how

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Speaker 1: do you know it was a man because I saw

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Speaker 1: him without the mask and if you look at the

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Speaker 1: sketch of the two people, the person on the right

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Speaker 1: looks more like a man. I said, well, what stood

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Speaker 1: out about them? And he says, oh, big time. The

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Speaker 1: man had piercing green eyes. He goes, you can't miss that.

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Speaker 1: They both had the long hair, and he saw them there.

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Speaker 1: He attempted to advise Shasta County Sheriffs, as did I,

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Speaker 1: and I left them a text correction. I left them

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Speaker 1: a message, and I know that they never got in

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Speaker 1: contact with his potential witness. Huh, piercing gray eyes on

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Speaker 1: a Hispanic mail, that's something you would remember. I want

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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to NBC News Gaddy Schwartz

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Speaker 1: describing what happened to Shary Peppini. Listen in interviews with investigators,

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Speaker 1: Peppini was able to provide only basic details about her kidnappers.

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Speaker 1: One woman was younger, with long, curly hair, pierced ears,

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Speaker 1: and thin eyebrows. The other was older, with graying, straight

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Speaker 1: black hair and thick eyebrows. Peppini's husband telling People magazine

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Speaker 1: she was badly beaten, her hair chopped off, and she

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Speaker 1: was branded by her captors. He spoke about her abduction

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Speaker 1: to ABC News. She was bound, She had a metal

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Speaker 1: sorry a chain her out her waist, that is correct.

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Speaker 1: She had a bag overhead, and that is correct. Her

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Speaker 1: ten was in the vehicle, chained to something still unknown,

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Speaker 1: say investigators, the motive for her kidnapping. Guys, why is

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Speaker 1: it that doubt has been cast on Sherry Peppini? You know,

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Speaker 1: to you death investigator and Joe Scott Morgan, she was

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Speaker 1: actually branded. I mean for her to have done this

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Speaker 1: to herself, she'd have to lose down to eighty seven pounds,

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Speaker 1: beat herself up, break her own nose, and brand herself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah don't. I don't see how how that would even

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Speaker 1: be physically possible. I'm very curious about this brand, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I want to know, you know, it's It's like Bill

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Speaker 1: Willing just a second ago, He's had experiences in seeing

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Speaker 1: cases like this where people have been branded and that

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Speaker 1: brand itself is has a very specific identifier to it.

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Speaker 1: First off, we can talk about what type of item

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Speaker 1: would they have used in order to superheat and scorch

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Speaker 1: her with, And then what's the what's the nature of

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Speaker 1: the brand? Is it a flower, is it an animal figure?

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Speaker 1: Is it a number? Good point? What about it, Bill Garcia,

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Speaker 1: do we know what the brand was? Well, a lot

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Speaker 1: of times, as in the on these coast, pimps or

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Speaker 1: people who prostitute women will put their their brand in

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Speaker 1: New York, it's it's a crown. My experience here on

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Speaker 1: the West Coast is when a Hispanic group, usually connected

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Speaker 1: to a cartel, brands them. They use a coat hanger

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Speaker 1: and I've seen this multiple times. Will they'll take a

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Speaker 1: coldhanger and they'll put it in whatever shape, usually something

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Speaker 1: connecting them to ownership of that person, and heat it up,

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Speaker 1: you know, in any number of ways, and then put

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Speaker 1: the brand on the on the skin. In this particular case,

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Speaker 1: it was never identified what that brand was, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that's a major point in identifying who may have

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Speaker 1: taken her again. Initially I thought it was sexual trafficking.

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Speaker 1: As I got deeper into it and we started to

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Speaker 1: get information, I suspected that these two people, and they

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Speaker 1: were described as Native American. Usually, once a person's found,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're done. We don't continue, right. I later

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Speaker 1: learned that there had been a DNA possibly hair follicle

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Speaker 1: or something that identified a man's DNA on her person.

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Speaker 1: If that is true, and these people were Native American,

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Speaker 1: there's probably I'm sure there's a test that would be

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Speaker 1: able to identify what culture that strand of hair or

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Speaker 1: DNA came from. You know what, You're right about that,

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Speaker 1: that's absolutely correct to Jay and Oceans veteran trial lawyer

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Speaker 1: joining me out of New York. Jason, why do you

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Speaker 1: believe doubt was cast on the victims story? I find

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Speaker 1: it really hard to believe she broke her own nose. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think she did. Uh. That is hard, and

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Speaker 1: there'd be other bruises as well, assuming that it was

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Speaker 1: an object just to break the nose. Um, it's because

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Speaker 1: of the facts and circumstances as have been laid out. Uh,

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Speaker 1: two women. Uh, that doesn't happen often. Uh. You certainly

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Speaker 1: don't get recovery almost in the same area, uh, or

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Speaker 1: not that far away. It just it belies that's how

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Speaker 1: you have to discover them. And you know it's sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's luck or serendipity or good policing or keeping it

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Speaker 1: out there in the messaging. It just it boggles all statistics,

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Speaker 1: It boggles the the fact pattern of her turning up

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Speaker 1: it's almost like a cult hooker or she participated in one.

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Speaker 1: Well as to the brand, Jason, we understand that it

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Speaker 1: was a message of sorts, obscure letters and the quality

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Speaker 1: of the brand. Very poor guys with us today, Bill Garcia,

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Speaker 1: Bill Garcia Investigations, who actually investigated this case? Bill, Why

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Speaker 1: do you believe so many people rushed to blame Sherry herself.

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Speaker 1: There's just people out there that don't have anything better

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Speaker 1: to do, and they cast these kind of doubts. You know,

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Speaker 1: she came from a family who was financially well off

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Speaker 1: from the Bay area, and they tried to utilize some

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Speaker 1: verbiage that she made back in high school and this

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Speaker 1: kind of snowballed. And there's people out there don't have

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Speaker 1: anything better to do, so they cast these doubts. Is

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Speaker 1: there still a reward for information, or has the reward

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Speaker 1: gone away? It dropped off the day before she was discovered.

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Speaker 1: I do know the tipline is in effect, and that

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Speaker 1: number is five three zero two four five sixty five

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Speaker 1: forty or nine one six three two one one zero

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Speaker 1: two zero. The case of Sherry Peppini's kidnap remains unsolved.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,