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Speaker 2: And a woman ran up, a crazy woman with a

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Speaker 3: John Waters very much.

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Speaker 1: And happy birthday again.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the best part is they've got that classic Eminem's

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Speaker 1: I really do like them. Do you talk to Kathleen Turner? Still?

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Speaker 2: You're a Beatnick.

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Speaker 1: You made it.

440
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Speaker 2: What was your first sort of exposure to this.

441
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Speaker 3: Life magazine When I read about BEATNICKX, Yeah, Life magazine

442
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 3: corrupted me. I read about junkies, homosexuals, BEATNICKX hip everything

443
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 3: Life magazine covered and every family got Life magazine.

444
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, was this what led you to your first LSD trip?

445
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 3: Certainly beatnicks became hippies. Hippies became punks, and still now

446
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 3: I'm a beating I went back to being a beatnick, right, yeah,

447
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 3: but what was he? Pizzadora in Harrisbury is a beatnick

448
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 3: and reads howls. And Alan Ginsburg was mad and I

449
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 3: had he was pissed.

450
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Speaker 1: I asked if I were you, because how old were you?

451
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: How old were you on the first trip.

452
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 3: The first acid I took was in nineteen sixty four.

453
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 3: It wasn't even a legal sixty eight, I believe, and

454
00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 3: they used it in a mental institution for alcoholism. My

455
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 3: friend worked there and he stole it and it was

456
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Speaker 3: oh he was it was sandos as that it was strong?

457
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 2: Was it really?

458
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 3: It was stronger than yeah, and I never I did

459
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,959
Speaker 3: it a lot then and then I stopped, and then

460
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Speaker 3: I did it again for my book when I was

461
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 3: seventy years old, with ming Stole, we took acid again,

462
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: and we hadn't in fifty years. It was still good.

463
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 2: It was still good.

464
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Speaker 3: I'd only tell old people to take it, not young people. Stupid.

465
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Speaker 3: My sixties are over because now when your family is concerned,

466
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 3: and you're older saying I'm not that dementia, I'm tripping.

467
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just wild though, And that's the last time.

468
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,719
Speaker 3: Yes, I wouldn't need to never do it again. And

469
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 3: it was no like microdoses. The young pussies take.

470
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Speaker 2: The little stress.

471
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Speaker 3: You see the people have Timothy Leary's asshole.

472
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it.

473
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Speaker 3: Was the best ass that I ever took my whole life.

474
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Speaker 1: So I did it for the first time at the

475
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Speaker 1: tender age of like twenty seven, and I still feel

476
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Speaker 1: like I have holes in my brain.

477
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Speaker 3: That though it wasn't a good experience, it wasn't good,

478
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 3: it was a great experience. I still have a fear

479
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 3: that there I just have.

480
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: I took a melon ball or to my to my

481
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Speaker 1: to my head, and I'm like, am I am I

482
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Speaker 1: less of a person now because he's so much smarter

483
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Speaker 1: now after it.

484
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Speaker 3: I think you're probably better. Although some people I took

485
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: LSD with went crazy, they became drug addicts, so it

486
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: didn't do that to me. I'm not saying that it's

487
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 3: for everybody, no, of course. And if you ever see

488
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 3: even Bill who is the head of AA who invented it,

489
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: he wanted people to take acid. Have you ever seen

490
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: it online? When he said can you see it? That's

491
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Speaker 3: like the one people in AA don't exactly agree with

492
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: the same way Freud was wrong about cocaine, he was

493
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: right about a lot of things. And Penis mv's making

494
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Speaker 3: a comeback.

495
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: Penis MV is making a comeback.

496
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Speaker 2: It's the rule of culture number thirtyis V is making

497
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Speaker 2: a comeback.

498
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Speaker 1: It's the whole looks maxing thing, like yeah, like I

499
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Speaker 1: connected to that. It's like it's like it's it's like

500
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Speaker 1: there's like this need for mail approval and like right, well.

501
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 3: It's also now them told me that when you go

502
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: with somebody now, you don't know what you're gonna get.

503
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Speaker 3: They said, whatever it is, it's politically correct to call

504
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Speaker 3: it a bonus.

505
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Speaker 1: It is a bonus.

506
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Speaker 3: How do you talk dirty? Get that bonus bonus? Hole,

507
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 3: dick cocksucker. It used to be shut up and below me.

508
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: That was the best.

509
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: Porn title ever, shut up and blow me.

510
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's politically incorrect. You can't say that an idea.

511
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: I did a photo piece about headline and all women

512
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: bought it. Powerful women for their office.

513
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: Yeah good, I love no, I love when we got

514
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: to suck my dick from a woman.

515
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you ever did your did you watch heated Rivalry? Which?

516
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Speaker 3: Oh yes?

517
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that that I feel like is appealing mostly

518
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: to too much.

519
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 3: Too women it is, which is amazing to me. And

520
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: I always heard and I asked, but lesbians if this

521
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: is true, and they said, yes, that butch lesbians like

522
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: to watch gay men's porn. I don't get why.

523
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Speaker 2: Literally, my therapist is a lesbian. She every session, without fail,

524
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 2: brings up heated rivalry to the point where I'm therapizing her.

525
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 2: I keep being like, so you've brought it up again,

526
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: and I just wanted to bring up. But the thing is,

527
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: I'm just like, at a certain point, I'm like, because

528
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: she always relates.

529
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: In an interesting way.

530
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: But she is a lesbian who's intero heated rivalry.

531
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Speaker 3: That's not hardcore. That's so they're gonna watch it. And

532
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: I as why, and they said they want to have

533
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Speaker 3: the big dix himself. Imagine. I guess I don't know

534
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Speaker 3: if that's true. No, well, that's a form of for

535
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 3: a size envy.

536
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

537
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 2: I think it has to do with safety, to be

538
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: honest with you, I think it has to do with

539
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 2: watching like a love and a sex that has nothing

540
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: to do with you, and therefore it's kind of like

541
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 2: I feel detached from it, and it's kind of nice.

542
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: I think that's why so many women are fanatical about

543
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: heated rivalry. Not to say that gay men aren't, but

544
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Speaker 2: it's different. There is a there's like a passion towards

545
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: the show.

546
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: Yes, good, yeah, audience. They didn't count on No, and

547
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Speaker 3: I love that, and I love that the test screenings

548
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 3: didn't predict that.

549
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: Now No, and did you watch Hunting Wives? See that

550
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Speaker 2: was a Lesbie be in Fantasia in Texas.

551
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: No, it's so hard to turn on the TV that

552
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: I have to have three assistants there to help me,

553
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: or the duct taped to my bed.

554
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: It's I I need, I need the same. I don't.

555
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I really know how to work the remote either.

556
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: I learned for three channels, ravity or something, because so

557
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: many it's so hard, too much, so something. When I

558
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: get them, I have to go to a mental institution.

559
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: I have metal.

560
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 3: I don't think you can say is that politically incorrect?

561
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: You can send me to a mental institution and this

562
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: show is over if you can't say that we're in

563
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: the show.

564
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: We can't about that. I still say I need to

565
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: be institutionalized, and I sometimes I do feel that.

566
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Speaker 3: Davis had the best line about that. When they asked

567
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: her about Fay Dune Away, she said, she belongs in

568
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 3: the institution, and I don't mean marriage.

569
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Speaker 1: My Favoritebody Davis quote is someone asked her, how do

570
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Speaker 1: you get into Hollywooden She goes, take Fountain.

571
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's great, my best thing.

572
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: And there's always that I do.

573
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Speaker 3: Take them. Always think of that when I'm there. She

574
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 3: lived on Fountain at the end in a condo. She did,

575
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: I think, yeah.

576
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: Favorite Hollywood star of all time.

577
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: A lot of Turner. Oh, and I'm still friends with

578
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: her daughter, Cheryl, the most famous juvenile delinquent in Hollywood

579
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: who killed Johnny Stoppinado. And I had Thanksgiving dinner one

580
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: year with Cheryl, her lesbian girlfriend Lily Tomlin, and Lana

581
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: Turner and myself.

582
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: How do you find these bank robbers? Like they do

583
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: they come to your do you find Cheryl was.

584
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: Very famous if you look back on that case, it

585
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: was one of the most famous case of real fifties.

586
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: And in one of my books, I said I wanted

587
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: to meet her and her hairdresser read it and showed

588
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: her and she called.

589
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: Me, Wow, this is and this is this is this

590
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: is just a lesser version of what you've probably understood,

591
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: is that through this like we'll mention one thing or

592
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: one person and it somehow finds its way to them.

593
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that is dangerous. I feel like it

594
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: does not necessarily it is not necessarily a forced were

595
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: good for me in my mental health.

596
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: You know, because it got it well. I've always said

597
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 3: the only person left I want to meet his eminem

598
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: and he still hasn't called me, and I've set up

599
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: for two years.

600
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: Why what's the what do you think is his what

601
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: do you think is his deal?

602
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 3: I'm all for him good, he's maybe he's better than me.

603
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: I highly doubt that it's because he was.

604
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: He's not homophobic. He gave Elton, John and David for

605
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: the wedding matching gold Cock rings.

606
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: He's not home he's hoophobic. But is that part of

607
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: the fascination for you?

608
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: Like that he was so Randoms record and I used

609
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: to go to this redneck bar in Baltimore where it

610
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: was all white guys dressed like black wrappers, hung out

611
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: and and every time I woke in, they'd play Pute

612
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: by Eminem as a tribute to me.

613
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: Wonderful.

614
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: So every time I woke in here like a sit down.

615
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: So it was just a personal thing.

616
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: So did you get the eminem of it all when

617
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: he had first come out, because I think as young

618
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: gays hearing him on the radio say things like faggot

619
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: and like, you know, like whatever look stuff that I

620
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: think it bothered us because we had our guards up.

621
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: But you at that time, his music it didn't bother you,

622
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: bother you.

623
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: I thought it he was just causing trouble. Yeah we did.

624
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, because it was just a white person

625
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: being a rapper was so new and people hadn't seen

626
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: that it was. It was over the edge. But no,

627
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: I always liked him.

628
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you love something or someone who chafes something.

629
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: Who does something first and changes how we think about that.

630
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: Yes, she did do Yeah. Absolutely, you can play the record.

631
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: Maybe you can playing the record at the beginning of

632
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: the show or put it under me.

633
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: It'll score.

634
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: Lightly throughout the episode.

635
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: I think we can make it happen on the show, Eminem.

636
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: If Eminem's team people are getting this, what would you

637
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: what would you like that encounter to be where would

638
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: you want to be? What are you guys doing?

639
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: Oh, just in private, so we're not exploiting it.

640
00:28:54,560 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: Of course, Yes, they'll love you. I always said, puke

641
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: to me, please sa croon puke. And this is this

642
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: is something that you cherish, right like you don't want

643
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: these interactions to be for public consumption.

644
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: No, no, And if he wanted to talk about you know,

645
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: it's just the kind of thing. I have met almost

646
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: every famous person I ever wanted to meet. And I'm

647
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: not bragging, but just I've been doing this. I'm eighty

648
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: years old. I've been doing it for fifty years. Yeah,

649
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: and that's thrilling. It's exciting, and they like to meet

650
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: you too. It's fun. But uh, At the same time,

651
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: I have great friends that are not famous. Many my

652
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: closest friends are not famous, and I've had for fifty years.

653
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: And I don't trust people that don't have old friends.

654
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I feel like I'm now getting to the point

655
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: where my old friends are college friends. But I feel

656
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: like I did a full hard reset once I got

657
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: moved to New York. I feel like Matts. Matt's really

658
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: good because he grew up in Long Island relatively close,

659
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: like you still have a connection to like those people.

660
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still but Facebook friend, that's not a friend.

661
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: You know what. You have to go out, you have

662
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: to get your hair done, you have to make see

663
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: them in person, you have to go to their house.

664
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 3: It's not just that it's easy to do that. But

665
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: to be a real friend is work.

666
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.

667
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: And that what's that they say, like discomfort is is

668
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: a is a friend of community? Like in order to

669
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: like really maintain community, you have to just make yourselves

670
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: a little uncomfortable sometimes, like maybe you haven't seen someone

671
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: in a long time, get out there to dinner and

672
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: go see them. I try to see my old friends

673
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: at least twice a year. And then, you know, it's

674
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: funny you say college friends are now old friends.

675
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: That was technically half our life.

676
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, Like which it feels

677
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: like it went by like that, but you know, I've

678
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: known you half my life.

679
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy, that's kind of wild.

680
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: My best friend is Pat Moran, who's one. You know,

681
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: she's cast all my movies, she cast the wires, she's

682
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: one in these But wow, wow, we met because we

683
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: had the same boyfriend, and I've known her for sixty

684
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: years and we've talked every single day for sixty years.

685
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: So was it hard having the same boyfriend at first?

686
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: Not really. No, they're both dead and we're friends.

687
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: Who had him last.

688
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say I'm sorry.

689
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: I I really admire. This is the thing that I

690
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: maybe took for granted, is that you do have this

691
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: wonderful protectiveness over information and people and lives.

692
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: That personal life nobody knows interesting. I mean, I don't

693
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: hide it, but none of the people, none of the

694
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: boyfriends I have, want to be in the exactly.

695
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: And yet you're still You're still known, You're still in

696
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: the Agora. You're still like, it's I do find it you.

697
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: You were also my first exposure into what Petown was.

698
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is my sixty third summer there.

699
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, Yeah, so you've seen it all there?

700
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I used to be friends of Norman mail Or.

701
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: I worked in the bookshop. I waited on Robert Mother.

702
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: Well, I know you worked in the bookshop.

703
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: The promise on bookshop was my main job. The old

704
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: one where the porthole building is is a pot shop.

705
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: Now it's now across the Street. Yeah, I worked there,

706
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: and I worked before that for Molly Malone Cook and

707
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: Mary Oliver before she are famous. She was my boss

708
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: and she was huddled on the back and a peak

709
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: coat acting crazy.

710
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

711
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: But uh, that's when I thought she's turned in her grave.

712
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: When I had a poem published. I was with her

713
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: when she won the Polzer, when she got her award

714
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: or whatever award she got pols I think, yeah, And

715
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: so I knew him forever, and I worked in both

716
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: the bookshops there. That was my education.

717
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: Did you ever do those because now that you have

718
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: those artists residencies and those shacks on the beach.

719
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to be out for we took

720
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: now it's fun for an hour. I'm not lugging water

721
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: out there.

722
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: In the sand.

723
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: We did, like the the the jeep tour out there.

724
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: That's good.

725
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how far out.

726
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: No, it's great. But I'm not lugging my stuff out there.

727
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: No. No, certainly not not.

728
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: You have a coyote come ship on me at this juncture.

729
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying, like you are you still you

730
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: still expose yourself, but you are protective of others.

731
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I don't tell dirt about people that don't

732
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: want it. No, I never do. I never say mean

733
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: things about people. I learned a long time ago, because

734
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: then I sit next to them at a dinner.

735
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: Literally, yeah, it doesn't matter when yeah, yeah, and.

736
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: I think, okay, and thank you for bringing this up,

737
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: because I think this is what Matt and I have

738
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: learned because we used to kind of speak a little

739
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: too freely on this. You know what I mean?

740
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: And then you don't know. I've had to sit next

741
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: to critics who gave me terrible reviews. They're uptight too.

742
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're nervous to meet you.

743
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: Well, they don't want to sit next to me at dinner.

744
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: It's an irresponsible host that puts you there.

745
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: Or it was a devious host that was doing what

746
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 2: they want to do.

747
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: But I'm fine with it.

748
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well you can handle whatever.

749
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: You can handle whatever. I feel like. There is this

750
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: you I have mister Know it All, which I bought

751
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: in Boston. I have my hard copy with me. If

752
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: you will sign it later, of course I will thank you.

753
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: But it was that what I ask me to change

754
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: a flag I have a flat, which I couldn't do

755
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: if I had to change the flat tire or die,

756
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: I'd have to die. Yeah, that's to find out in

757
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: the hood of my car, or die I'd have to done.

758
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: So have you always chosen partners that this is a

759
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: thing they can do handy.

760
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: They can all do it better than I can, right.

761
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we've had We've had conversations here with other

762
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: with gay men of all of all stripes, who are

763
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: like all persuasions, all persuasions, who are like, if I'm

764
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: forced to do anything manual like I choose death.

765
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: No, if the grid goes down. We were setting like

766
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: a couple friends of ours. They're they're talking about getting

767
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: guns from when the grid goes down.

768
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: Well, you know, gays against guns some four. But then

769
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: I saw some of the turtle and said, give bags guns,

770
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 3: which made me like you more.

771
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: Well, these gays are like, when the grid goes down,

772
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: we're both getting guns.

773
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, babe, when the grid goes.

774
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: Down, I'll shoot myself on my leg if I had

775
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: a gun.

776
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: You're never the only one that shot.

777
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: A gun once a bike or a straight bike. Grinder

778
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: took me in his Cadillac limousine, broken down thing and

779
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: we shot machine guns in the woods and it was fun.

780
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: Your first gun was a machine only gun, first and

781
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: only gun listen with a.

782
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: Real bike or to a straight guy.

783
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: And you so you knew him enough that you invited me.

784
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

785
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 2: Sure.

786
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: It wasn't like to blow him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

787
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: it wasn't like it's just machine guns in the woods.

788
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: In one of my movies, he's in Desperate Living. He

789
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: plays eater. He has the line, you could suck my

790
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: royal hemorrhoids, you fat pig. That's his only line in

791
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 3: the movie.

792
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: And was and what year was this that you shot

793
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 1: the gun?

794
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 3: Seventy seven?

795
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so at.

796
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 3: That point you'd already like given guns, you'd already used

797
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: guns in your films. And Pink Flamingo, is that gun yet?

798
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: Is a real gun with real bullets in it? That

799
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: just the unit photographer happened to own. We had no

800
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 3: safety people. I don't know what're lucky, you know? Yeah,

801
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 3: I mean there was nobody standing in front of him

802
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: when he shot it. Sure certainly was not pistol safety

803
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: one of his top things at the time.

804
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: And did you and did you have an intimacy coordinator

805
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: on that stuff?

806
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: Always imagine when do you mind eating ship an intimacy.

807
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: And even in my last movie, A Dirty Shame, all

808
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: the extras had to make out and hump with each

809
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: other for hours every night. They didn't know each other.

810
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: They just started laughing. I read a thing about Pasolini

811
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: Sala where they were underage and nude in it, and

812
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 3: they said, we had the best time. When he'd say cut,

813
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: we'd just start laughing. We had the best time.

814
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: What I will appreciate intimacy coordinators. Let's say on Ping Flamingos,

815
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: they would have said, this is how, this is how

816
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: I would eat ship just so you just so you

817
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: have a way in and you don't have to second guess.

818
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: Did you ever work with them?

819
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: And I've I've worked with one.

820
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: And what was the scene that they had to advise you?

821
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: Right, so you're gonna love this. It was it was

822
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: just two guys making out at the club, and I

823
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: was like, I've had experience doing this.

824
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: Was it a stranger?

825
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: It was an extra? It was it was my love

826
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: interest in the movie.

827
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, it was someone that you work with every day.

828
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: That's just called bag, right, that's maybe.

829
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: But they did they did give like actually good like blocking.

830
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 3: Like camera that's different then.

831
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: And this is a lot of tongue, not a lot

832
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: of tongue. And I think, and I think this was

833
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: this was something that I maybe I appreciated that knowledge, right,

834
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: and it's I think I I wasn't. I obviously would

835
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: never wish it into Missy Coordinator upon You'd run, They'd run,

836
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: They just run, they would run.

837
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: We had for my last novel, my only novel, letter Mouth.

838
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: They have to give it to a sensitivity editor. And

839
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: she never called us back. We could never find her again,

840
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: and she quit and so she didn't No, there was

841
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: it was a famous one and she was a big

842
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: editor and she refused to respond.

843
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: But then it got published, so then it was fine.

844
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 3: It was not a great editor Jonathan GLOSSI who had

845
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 3: faith in his own filth.

846
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: Maybe she was like, if I were to impose sensitivity

847
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: on this would lose what makes it special?

848
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: So why would I do that?

849
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: Right?

850
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: They never think that, they wouldn't have a job.

851
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867
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 2: One thing could just to speak on the intimistic coordinator,

868
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: did you use it for Fire Island? I use that really,

869
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: But my thing was like a thing where I was

870
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: like the character was drugged in in a sexual situation,

871
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: so then it became a thing of like she was

872
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: just kind of like administering like safety on it. But

873
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: I do think like it's it's it's wildly different when

874
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: it comes to like it depends what your film is depicting.

875
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what I mean. Like the intimacy.

876
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: Coordinator, I hear the conversation about it happening. I think

877
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: it's a really fascinating conversation to here. When you speak

878
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: to filmmakers like who have been working for a long

879
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: long time, this sort of like confusion towards it. And

880
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: now it's so industry standard that I just wonder how

881
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: that rubs with people that have been working.

882
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: I hated filming sex things. I never liked it.

883
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing because it's awkward to me.

884
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: It is like, do this, you know, I just want

885
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 3: to make them. But I mean, pink flamingos really gives head.

886
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

887
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: Was that real?

888
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? Wow? And to a straight guy and he started laughing.

889
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: They were friend.

890
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: It didn't even get hard. But he had to yell,

891
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: do my ball's mama. One of the rudest lines in

892
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: the movie. Imagine the end of the Coordinator on that.

893
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: Do you mind seeing that?

894
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

895
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: Go ahead, No, you're going to give me a line

896
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: reading right, line reading?

897
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: It's just my balls.

898
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: In the last one, I do my balls, mama.

899
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 3: Good. I did my audio books of all my screenplays

900
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: came up and I play every role in the movies,

901
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: so it's and I had to yell, do my balls, mama,

902
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: I'd look over at the technician, thinking, Jesus, I hope

903
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: they were prepared for this, because when you're reading your

904
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: own book and it's dirty, it's more mortifying. It sounds

905
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: filthier when you read it out loud and you write

906
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: it or read.

907
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: It, and then like with with that much time passing,

908
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: you're like, oh wow, I didn't realize.

909
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 3: I know, well, certainly those lines you can't. Like now,

910
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: I can say fuck on national network television, but I

911
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: can't say fat on PBS, which.

912
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: Would you rather say fat?

913
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: Both? Of course I don't have to say fat fuck

914
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: on Fox?

915
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? I okay, So mister, not at all? I think.

916
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: Was that where you coined philth elder?

917
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: Maybe? Yeah, I did call myself that, But I did

918
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 3: not call myself the Pope of Trash, William Burg, William

919
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: Burrows and all those other titles the press made up.

920
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: The only thing I ever called myself was a filth elder,

921
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: which is not exactly bragging.

922
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: But do you love Pope of trash?

923
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: Sure, because we embros being annointed from God.

924
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: Of course I use that s too. I have the

925
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: John Wannerd's.

926
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: Pope of Trash. Wait to see the new stuff we have.

927
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 3: There's the comrags John Winner's crags. I'm the only celebrity

928
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: comeragh and.

929
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: We have not for long married celebrity come rag.

930
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: And puke bags. We have also suths Burgart Company and

931
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: he did these, but we have a whole new line.

932
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: Way to see what we got coming out.

933
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: So I framed the pukebags from the fiftieth anniversary screening

934
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: of Pink Flaminga from p Town. Yeah, we were in

935
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: Petown for that.

936
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's where we met.

937
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: That's where we met, and that was that was one

938
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: of my favorite nights. I was like, it was my

939
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: first time in p Town. We were seeing the Fifth

940
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: Universe fiftieth anniversary of Ping Flamingos.

941
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: They were showing fire Island at the phone.

942
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah. But filth Elder, do you feel like

943
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: there are filth protegees? Do you feel like there are pressure?

944
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: I mean there's young people that don't imitate me. The

945
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: ones that do, I don't like it. I don't like

946
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: the works that they're just trying to be shocking without

947
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: being funny or witty. But they're certainly young filmmakers that

948
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: surprise me. They're mostly French like Gaspernoi and Bruno Dumont

949
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: and all these kind of young filmmakers that are making

950
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: I love Eddington, I loved sat Did you see that movie?

951
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: It is so good. So I'm just saying there's still

952
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: great movies out there, definitely.

953
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: Yes, but none have this kind of like I don't

954
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: know there was. There's just a good heartedness to all

955
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: your films. Is that a fair I think I was.

956
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: I made fun of things I loved my whole life,

957
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: not that I hated. And maybe that's why including I

958
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: started making fun of myself by calling my films trash

959
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: epics and everything. You know.

960
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the things that immediately So

961
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: one of the we asked this question what was the

962
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: culture that make you say culture worse for you? And

963
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: one of my answers to that is I was ten

964
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: years old and my parents took me to see Hairspray

965
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: on Broadway and Good Morning Baltimore. I think that what

966
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: jumped out about it the most for me was the

967
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: fact that she was so joyfully, joyously singing about and

968
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: playing in her world of filth. There's who Lives next Door? Yep, perfect,

969
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: But there is there is something about that It's one

970
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: of the things I think is the most unfortunate things

971
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: in the world is people who take themselves seriously, and

972
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: so watching her just immediately a shoe all of that.

973
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: But she loved her life, and she was so self confident,

974
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: she was so proud of the place she came from,

975
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: even though it was garbage, you know, and in that

976
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: way it then wasn't garbage. And she saw hope in it,

977
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: and she saw possibility and future in it, and she

978
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 2: just went for it. That I think it being made

979
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: into a musical and then into a movie musical, that

980
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: message keeps getting delivered.

981
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: Can't screw up even a bad version of it. No, Yeah,

982
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: because the characters Tracy stands for anybody ever that was

983
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: hassled for being different in any kind of way, who

984
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: takes what they were hassled by, exaggerates it and wins.

985
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: That's all you can do. If they use something against you,

986
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 3: own it, grab it, say yes I am, and then

987
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: make it worse.

988
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: It's a long time to learn that though, And I

989
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: feel like you know her like that that it's it's

990
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: just an important thing. It's like that thing that makes

991
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: you different is what makes you special. That's like the

992
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: tweet way of saying it, but it's that you said it.

993
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: You haven't heard that terminal. Yeah, I like it, And

994
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: then you speak that way that there's a whole language

995
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: called something. You know.

996
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm to it, but like, I'm sure we could do it.

997
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: We can get all tweet with each other's.

998
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: John Waters' films really break the mold of.

999
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: What legally like.

1000
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like, it's that kind of like I

1001
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: don't know, and we do that all the time. We're

1002
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: guilty of that in earnest, but we love to make

1003
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: fun of it too. I think that's that's like our

1004
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: that's us making fun of ourselves the way that you

1005
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: were making it's important to do that. We are not tweet.

1006
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: I am going to reject this.

1007
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 3: No, I don't think you are either.

1008
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I feel like the beatnik thing, though,

1009
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: is is what developed a good taste for you, and

1010
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: so then you learned the rules and then you were

1011
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: able to revel in bad taste.

1012
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: Well, I was able to realize, like a dirty T

1013
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: shirt could be great. Yeah, bad that I don't know.

1014
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: It was beat Nick's outrage people at the time came

1015
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: out and it was the first thing I saw rebellion

1016
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: that I wanted to do. I always say, the first

1017
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: record you buy as a child, no matter how young,

1018
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 3: that your parents hate, that's the beginning of the soundtrack

1019
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 3: of your life. Wow, what a terrible thing to like

1020
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: your children's music that stunts your child. If you say, oh,

1021
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 3: I love that record, keep find them on you until

1022
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: you hate it.

1023
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: You're so right, You're so right. I yeah, And I

1024
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: think that bad taste or good taste, whatever side it

1025
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: falls on is is just compensating for like the thing

1026
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: that you were lacking.

1027
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: Maybe I was drilled good taste and you have to

1028
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: learn those rules to make fun of bad. So I

1029
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: thank my parents for that.

1030
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: Like what did that? Like, how did that show up

1031
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: for your parents? Like they were like, this is how

1032
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: you wear.

1033
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god, my mother thought you should die if

1034
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 3: you were white shoes after Like I'm still right wing

1035
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: on that. You can't wear velvet before Thanksgiving, you can't

1036
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: wear a pat in liather before Easter. I believe you

1037
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 3: should die if you do that.

1038
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: Like in Cereal, Mom, who is that actress who was

1039
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: also in cry Baby? Like the woman the juror who

1040
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: gets murdered in serious course? Oh, my gosh, just fashions changed.

1041
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: It kills her, kills her.

1042
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 3: It really takes that hit. Well, even Kathleen said, better

1043
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: than any stunt woman I've ever worked.

1044
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, god, I really did. But I think this

1045
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: is so. I was like reading something about like where

1046
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: how bad taste shows up, and it's in these cultures.

1047
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna throw these out there.

1048
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: People can come for me. But it's like, uh, between

1049
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: like Russian gaudiness and like some kinds of Asian goddiness,

1050
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: like Saudi gaudiness, Like these are all from.

1051
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: It's hair hoppers, people that spend too much time on

1052
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: their hair without iron or iron without irony, and act

1053
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: rich when they're not because because they're so labeled and

1054
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 3: and look the same as everybody with a hair hopper.

1055
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 3: You should Swiss people know how to be rich.

1056
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: You hide it because it's coming from like like uh

1057
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: in let's say, like in all these parts of the

1058
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: world that I just just kind of rattled off. It's

1059
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: like because they were coming from like desolate really really

1060
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: just austere places right where like oh you didn't have

1061
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: the nice, you had no idea, you had no access

1062
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: to anything.

1063
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: Well, maybe the tyranny of good taste they never grew

1064
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: up with. That isn't a sort of an American or

1065
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 3: British thing.

1066
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: Which is what you grew up with your parents, This

1067
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: tyrannical sense of like this is what you have to do.

1068
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: Well, they were very opinionated on and they taught me

1069
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: what was right and wrong. And I'm not sorry they did.

1070
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: I still use a lot of the stuff that they

1071
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 3: taught me. Yeah, And but yet they were horrified by

1072
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: the movies I made right up to the end. But

1073
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: they supported me doing it. They were they were, which

1074
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: is amazing. And my parents had a happy seventy year marriage,

1075
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: so I'd give them great credit. Wow.

1076
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: And then that also it expands your palette in terms

1077
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: of like like I've always I love I think I

1078
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: think I got my first like sort of written sense

1079
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: of like come to Garson, like Ray Kawakubo stuff from

1080
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: Role Models, where I was like, oh, yeah, like you

1081
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: still have this appreciation for like like the current fashion.

1082
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: Do you still go to metal shows? Yeah?

1083
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: I went to I went to see nine Inch Nails.

1084
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 3: Just recently we went I saw.

1085
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: Amah, wasn't it fabulous?

1086
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: The audience is really I just like looking at the

1087
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: audience at all this it's wild. Yeah, it was.

1088
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: It was like it was like it's time for for

1089
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: fagots to love nine inch nails again.

1090
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: Oh, I go to heavy metal lot. I just like

1091
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: to look at the kids.

1092
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: What are you looking for? Because because you're observing.

1093
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 3: Some new some new thing, and I just think they

1094
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: look great and having fun. And they always I'm always

1095
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 3: the oldest person there. Ever since William Burrows died, I'm

1096
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: the oldest person. Yeah, not that I'm the same, but

1097
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 3: he was always the oldest when I and It went anywhere. Yeah,

1098
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: and so uh no, I just like to see the energy.

1099
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: I like to see. I hate old people like my

1100
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: age and say we had more fun that you didn't.

1101
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 3: You just don't know what's going on.

1102
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, fun adapted.

1103
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: I would have been a hacker. I would have in

1104
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: a hacker, except have bad clothes. That poor posture. Yeah

1105
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 3: isn't just hunched over.

1106
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: The hackers should be using those the standing desk with

1107
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: the treadmill they walk on. Yeah, you're just gonna do

1108
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: great hackers.

1109
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: So hacker clothes like you can't do there's norm core, yeah,

1110
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: because there's there's no clay on the table for you

1111
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: to molder in.

1112
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: No, there's no rebellion, look for a hacker, because you

1113
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: got to blend in. Yeah, you're out. You don't want

1114
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: to get the dark web, you don't dress for it.

1115
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 2: What do you think of? Like the the people still

1116
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: debating what camp is now.

1117
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: That they are old queens, that the last movie they

1118
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: saw was Rita Hayworth. I don't know anybody that would

1119
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 3: say the word camp.

1120
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've never you don't say it.

1121
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 3: No, that word was over and ninth after Susan Sontag

1122
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: sitting in an antique store under Tiffany lampshade talking about

1123
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 3: Betty Grable.

1124
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Movie Holy Moly, manny.

1125
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: Became Cam't became I don't know, trash. Then it became filth.

1126
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: Now it's just American humor.

1127
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: Now it's just it's just funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1128
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: Like your stuff will always be singular. It will never

1129
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: be like even as I'm wearing merch, even as you're

1130
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: at the Academy, even though even as it's being like

1131
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: institutionally recognized, it will always have this like like this,

1132
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: this this this fingerprint of like this's worse now you

1133
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: think it's worse.

1134
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: Now, yes, Because they're political correct. You can't even say

1135
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: happy birthday, fat so you can't say that anymore. Like

1136
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: they're the stuff in there, you can't say any of

1137
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 3: the ship. It's worse than it ever was, and yet

1138
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 3: still nobody gets made.

1139
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: Have you heard about this movie, the drama with the Zenda.

1140
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 3: I'm dying to see it though.

1141
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you love it.

1142
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 3: I think you'd love it. I think there's a lot

1143
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 3: of big fan of him. He's wonderful and he takes

1144
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: chances in all movies. Yes he does, And I'm dying

1145
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: to see it. Isn't it the same? Didn't Ari Aster

1146
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: executive producers?

1147
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: He did not do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was.

1148
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: I was gonna remember the movie about Sleeping Dogs Lie

1149
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: where the girl tells her boyfriend everybody's playing tell the

1150
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 3: truth and she says she blew her dog. It's just

1151
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: the same kind of genre.

1152
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 2: It's the same conceit.

1153
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 3: Where I know the secret, don't tell.

1154
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in that way she confesses to this deep,

1155
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: dark secret, right, and it's about like, you know, gun violence,

1156
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: and and it's it's it's.

1157
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: It's no I know what. I'm dying to see it.

1158
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 3: That's the next movie I'm fantasy.

1159
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think about female Trouble all the time

1160
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: where divine literally shoots up the audience.

1161
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: Well, who wants to die for art? That's so poletely incorrect.

1162
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 3: After that happened for real, Yeah, yes, that puts it

1163
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: in a whole difference.

1164
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: That's really what it is.

1165
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: And I almost no one ever complained about that.

1166
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: Literally, like ten years ago, you could make gun violence jokes.

1167
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: We we would do it.

1168
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: Like back at like UCB and stuff, like when we

1169
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: were doing sketch comedy like there there would be it

1170
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: was maybe this is just young people doing comedy and

1171
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 2: skin comedy and like doing what they think was funny.

1172
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: But a common thing was for a gun to come out,

1173
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: you know what.

1174
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: I means ass and desperate living. I cringe at that.

1175
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: It would make people nervous.

1176
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: Now maybe people nervous then, yeah, people.

1177
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: Really nervous now though that it's like.

1178
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: No eve, even the pink flaming thing with the vine

1179
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: with the gun. Sometimes they exit out and stuff really

1180
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: well because.

1181
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: It's yeah, literally triggering.

1182
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: And everybody and the politicians in Baltimore, we say, how

1183
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 3: can we make this city better? I said, just put

1184
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: out a bumper sticker, the Wire, it's still like that.

1185
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: And that's supposed to make it better.

1186
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you the Wire. In Japan, they

1187
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 3: love it really internationally. One of the most known and

1188
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 3: loved things about Baltimore is one of the best TV

1189
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 3: shows ever. Yeah, so why do we hide that?

1190
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: Why do we hide that? I mean, do you know

1191
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: if your movies play in Japan?

1192
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been there with.

1193
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: Them and they love it.

1194
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 3: There are great was a huge hit because they love

1195
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: Eddie Furlong, they love hairless androgynous man.

1196
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: Yes, le them is you.

1197
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 3: Know, so Stylvester Stallone. They were so gag like the bears.

1198
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: They don't get that.

1199
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: They there's there's a there's a very specific subculture of

1200
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: bears in Japan. They have they have eagles. They have

1201
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: multiple eagle locations.

1202
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,959
Speaker 3: Okay, well the eagles everywhere. It's just not a young

1203
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: person ever any one because different you.

1204
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: Think, So, yeah, what do you make of pups, of

1205
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: of of these of these what do you make of

1206
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: these twins too? And they're not all them up just

1207
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: like the rest of the dogs adult babies.

1208
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't get it. But you

1209
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: can be whatever you want. But however, aren't plushies lesbians.

1210
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it can be anything.

1211
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: But I went to Plushy Night accidentally once in the

1212
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: Eagle and Baltimore and it was mostly lesbians and thought

1213
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

1214
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: That, huh, and and plushies are different from furries.

1215
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 3: No, I think it's the same.

1216
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: It's the same. I just I don't want.

1217
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: To get dressed up like a fucking stuffed animal and

1218
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 3: have sex.

1219
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: It's too hot, it's so warm.

1220
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then I think probably something else takes over

1221
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: in the brain, that it's satisfying, where you don't think

1222
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: about how it's hot, you only think about how it's satisfying.

1223
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, maybe there's some things that lose me. Adult

1224
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 3: babies when I see them and their fag hags are

1225
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 3: called mommies and they nurse them, and you're sitting in

1226
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: a bouncy chair at sixty weighing one hundred pounds. Lock

1227
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 3: them up. I'm marching for them.

1228
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: No, no one's marching for them.

1229
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Some people are some people are right, babies not me.

1230
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: Well, have you watched them? Have you checked in on

1231
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: I guess the closest thing to the chaos euphoria? Have

1232
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: you watched any of Euphoria.

1233
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: I haven't, and I'm I should.

1234
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: You're fine, You're fine, but we're dealing with adult baby stuff.

1235
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: Funny for IT season.

1236
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 3: I read all about the shows.

1237
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: That I do the same thing, and I'll check in

1238
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: on clips and I'll be like, Okay, this is what's happening.

1239
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: But there was some there was some scene last night

1240
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: in Euphoria where I was watching it for a second

1241
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 2: and then I was like, this kind of feels like

1242
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: a darn Waters movie. It's like, you know, Jacob Alloid

1243
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: getting the shit kicked out of him by the by

1244
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: the mob, and Sydney Sweeney has a bloody nose, just

1245
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: her huge tits in her wedding gown, just like sobbing,

1246
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 2: like what's happening? And I'm like, there's something here.

1247
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: Spiritually, I feel like one of your movies.

1248
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: I guess. But were you laughing?

1249
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: I was laughing because I wasn't laugh I didn't have

1250
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: it in context. I don't know if I'm supposed to

1251
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: be laughing at home. I don't know what I'm supposed

1252
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: to feel anymore watching the show, which I think is

1253
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: an issue.

1254
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 3: Maybe people are talking about it.

1255
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: I think you're probably right, I think it's time. It's time.

1256
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is what else must be on your

1257
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: on your board.

1258
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: There we're going to I don't think homework.

1259
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeahular thing. See I hate being a podcast that

1260
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: gives homework, but it.

1261
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: Is fun homework. You know what I mean at homework?

1262
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is you give it and they don't prepare.

1263
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: It happens all the time.

1264
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: Who did the worst?

1265
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: The worst?

1266
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: I don't think twenty ever probably using we we we

1267
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: bomb every week?

1268
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: You really do.

1269
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. And well, now I watch

1270
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: an I bomb, No, watch an eye bomb. Anyway, this

1271
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: is I don't think so, honey, it's gonna be a

1272
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: one minute segment. It's gonna bomb, or it's gonna not.

1273
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 3: It's gonna do it is one minute? Do you mean

1274
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: not to talk fast like the ads of the side

1275
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: effects at the end of her drug add on the radio?

1276
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: You know, don't feel pressure to do that, but if

1277
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: you could. Yeah, well we're gonna we're gonna model it

1278
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: for you first and then you're gonna.

1279
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: It's fine. All right.

1280
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: So I do have something. It's been a struggle. I've

1281
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: been have this on the brain for a while and

1282
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: I feel like I actually haven't taken to the mic

1283
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: on this. So this is a good opportunity.

1284
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: We go, we're breaking your ground. This is Matt Rodgers.

1285
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't think so many as time starts.

1286
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: Now, I don't think so honey, you can't buy any

1287
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: medication you want at the CVS because it's under the

1288
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: behind the fucking lock box. Get I need musin XT

1289
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: so it cannot work on me. By the way, Also,

1290
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 2: I don't think so money use Next, they said there's

1291
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: meth in this fuck off? Like is that why it's

1292
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: behind the glass Because there's meth in it?

1293
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: Maketh?

1294
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: Okay, that's ridiculous because I'm taking it. It's not even

1295
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: helping me get not sick. It's not gonna create meth.

1296
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: I every time I'm in the CVS of the well

1297
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: Greens have to ring the fucking bell. They take their

1298
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: sweet time getting over here. Now, you can't even get toothpaste?

1299
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: Can you make meth from toothpaste? Because you would think

1300
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: I am really having a hard time when I go

1301
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: into any store and I'm like, why can't I get this? Oh?

1302
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: Because if the wrong person came in here and got it,

1303
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: they're gonna create meth with it. I don't think so, honey.

1304
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: By the way, I've been not sick for two weeks,

1305
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: but having whatever's going on here for two weeks musin XD,

1306
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: I guess I have to increase the myth in there

1307
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 2: because it's not working on me. Clarendon, is there enough

1308
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: myth in that I can't get enough myth to get

1309
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: me not sick? I don't think so, honey.

1310
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: Just let me have the fucking medication that I need.

1311
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: And that's one plush.

1312
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: You have to check out yourself, This is what I'm saying, like.

1313
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: I need your help to come get me the product,

1314
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: and then you're of no help when I'm checking out.

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: And they act.

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00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: Man.

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00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 3: I thought, if if I didn't act, you won't have

1319
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 3: a job. You should be glad of it.

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00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: By the way, there's only three people working in there

1321
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: at any given time, so this is the battle of

1322
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: the machines.

1323
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: Ever done meth?

1324
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 3: Maybe not. I did shots diet pills once, though.

1325
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: How did that?

1326
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 3: It was horrible? Big black bubble?

1327
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I tried.

1328
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 3: I did crazy Ship when I was young, but I

1329
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 3: never got into it that much. I never liked shooting up.

1330
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 3: It was like but I had good veins.

1331
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: He did meth one time on accident.

1332
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 3: I did almost everything else when I stopped taking drugs.

1333
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 3: Was ecstasy, a drug that makes you love everybody. That's

1334
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 3: not a high for me. See, I love it, hate it.

1335
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: You would hate it.

1336
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 3: In a cuddle pile? Can you picture me in one?

1337
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: No, don't stay from ketemine.

1338
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: Then, oh I wouldn't do that one either.

1339
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: No, it's fat.

1340
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well the ketamine that will get you barnacling

1341
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: on someone that you're like.

1342
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: I don't even like you that much. It's what you

1343
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: gotta do. You ready, I'm ready? Okay, my phone? Oh no,

1344
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: I have my own phone for it. All right?

1345
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: So this will be Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey.

1346
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: And get this if I can get my thing up,

1347
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: where's my where is he it? This is Bowen Yangs.

1348
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I

1349
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 2: don't think.

1350
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,959
Speaker 1: So, honey. The distance between the beach and the main

1351
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: Dragon Province town. This is why I will always still

1352
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: gravitate towards Fire Island, despite the despite the way it

1353
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: changes ear to year, despite the the crowds. You never

1354
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: know where you're gonna get. Peet Town represents wonderful stability

1355
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: and wonderful community, and yet if you want a sun

1356
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: bathe in any sort of respectable fashion, you gotta go

1357
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: to the public pool. I love a plublic pool, but

1358
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: sometimes even that gets a little yes, I do, John Waters,

1359
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: I don't love riding a bicycle, especially given my family

1360
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,959
Speaker 1: history with bicycles, three different generations of bike accidents. I'm

1361
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: not going to chance it. There's a curse on the

1362
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 1: on the Yang family. Uh So that's why I will

1363
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: never really get it up in a sense to go

1364
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: to the beach in Provincetown and you never know where

1365
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna get weather wise, and there's there's just ship

1366
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: in the sand because people, the artists and residents are

1367
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: taking dumps and on the beach. I'm just gonna I'm

1368
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: just assuming that's what's happening. But I feel like that

1369
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: is that's that's the main sort of obstacle I have

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01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: with Peetown.

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01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. Why don't you just go to

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01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: the small beach on Commercial.

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01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 3: Right on the bay beach is right there.

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01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: That doesn't count.

1375
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 3: Beach where you have to walk across the dunes with

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01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: all the bicycles and all that.

1377
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: That is like a real beach to me.

1378
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: Well that's because people were having sex.

1379
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: But I don't even that's even the appeal.

1380
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: You get a real beach, are people having sex on it?

1381
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that at the Baby Beach.

1382
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: They're not doing that at the Bay Beach. But that's

1383
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: I do. As I get older, love Petown more and

1384
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: more over Fire Island.

1385
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: There's no way it can compete. First of all, in

1386
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: Pezown you have restaurants, just that alone.

1387
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: Then you don't have restaurants. No, And well there's a couple,

1388
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: there's a couple.

1389
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean there's food. Yeah, there's not restaurants. Like if

1390
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 2: you go to Cherry Grove you can get your restaurants.

1391
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: That's which is where you'll you'll be when you go right.

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01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 3: Both the youth you do both.

1393
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: It's nice, but you are not going anywhere near the Belvidere.

1394
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, I'll remember about place forever I've stayed.

1395
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 3: There are a couple of times it was very very kind

1396
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 3: of like Pink Narcissus.

1397
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: Yes, just I mean it is fantastic in that way

1398
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: literally where it's it feels like you're in a fantasy.

1399
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 3: I don't think you'd love it, but I can you

1400
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 3: picture me in the baths. I've never gone to the baths,

1401
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 3: and like walking around a towel is not how I

1402
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 3: do it.

1403
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: I feel you go dressed just like this.

1404
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 3: I would. Yeah, that was the problem.

1405
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: So what you're you? You can do whatever you want.

1406
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 3: But I'm trying to blend in in between Jews.

1407
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, All right, John.

1408
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 3: All right, are you ready, I'm gonna talk fast.

1409
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: Okay, this is John, this is John Waters. I don't

1410
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: think so money as time starts now.

1411
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 3: I can't stand the way some people talk. I hate

1412
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: it when actors use the word journey. That's not a

1413
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 3: fucking journey, when in the Spirit Awards Escaping from Ukraine is.

1414
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 3: I hate airlines when they say your flight is cousins

1415
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 3: because of weather. There's always weather, you bad weather. Or

1416
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: when the NPA say rated X for language. There's always language.

1417
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 3: We talk about a silent film. I hate actions say

1418
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 3: they're humble. We'll go down the SNM bar and get it,

1419
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 3: shut up and get smacked around. I hate people say

1420
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 3: surreal if you're talking about Dolly, all right, not some

1421
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 3: boring thing in their daily Life. I hate it when

1422
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 3: weathermen say wind child and heat indexcept bullshit words. I

1423
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 3: hate when gay people say this is my lover, Who

1424
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 3: are you, lady Chatterly? I hate it also when gay

1425
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 3: people say to me, hey girl, but I don't know,

1426
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 3: excuse me? Do I look like a girl? I guess

1427
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 3: it's they all getting dressed this morning, and people say,

1428
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 3: are you a top or a bottom? It's not a

1429
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 3: political party. I'm independent. And worst of all, when people

1430
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 3: say can I take your picture? No, my picture is

1431
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 3: home with kool aid in it.

1432
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: One Oh thank god. That was just about modern life

1433
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: and I love it. Fifty six seconds and and the

1434
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: slapping down of the of the paper was the final

1435
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: four we love picture.

1436
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: I hate I've heard newsmen say that, look at this picture.

1437
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you should be fired. You should be

1438
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: People say that's a regional thing. No it's not, it's stupid.

1439
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: I was just I'm I'm an idiot at pizza. I'm

1440
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: coming up to you. Oh my god, hey girl, it

1441
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: is surreal to see you. Can we have a picture.

1442
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: I hate when people, oh god.

1443
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: It is real to see you girl.

1444
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 3: I need a picture, Hey girl too.

1445
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: Familiars, what how long? Would you have to know someone

1446
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: for them to call you?

1447
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: Girl? Now? Do I look if I failed? Getting rested

1448
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 3: us sir?

1449
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there you go, Hi king some.

1450
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 3: Better girl.

1451
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so, I guess.

1452
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 3: Saddio, I've got some they call old people zaddyadi Zaddio

1453
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 3: is interesting. I like chickens make good soup. That's my

1454
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 3: friend Pat Moran when she dated an older man.

1455
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: Her mom said that old chickens make good soup. What

1456
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 1: is that supposed to mean?

1457
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 3: Like, when you're old, young people go after you say,

1458
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 3: old chickens make good soup.

1459
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: Yes, the soup come.

1460
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 2: No, it's just yeah, old chickens make good soup.

1461
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: I means you want to be around in their broth. Yeah,

1462
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: that's interesting.

1463
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: I guess.

1464
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I guess. I guess old people do.

1465
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: Old chickens make good stuff. He wants some old people soup?

1466
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: Crazy cannibal ass?

1467
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: Well. John Waters, the star of Kevin on Amazon Prime Stars.

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01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm not the start.

1470
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: I think the whoops, John Waters, any parting words of wisdom, I.

1471
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 3: Don't know that I would ever preach to anybody. I

1472
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 3: want to hear your words, a wisdom of things that

1473
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 3: would make me nervous if you're younger than.

1474
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: Me, are you prompting us right now? What would make

1475
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: you nervous? Oh my god, hmmm, what would make you nervous?

1476
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: It sounds like I think you should feel completely liberated

1477
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: or whatever about talking about this, uh, this idea of

1478
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: like political correctness. I feel like that's the thing that

1479
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: that that makes everybody nervous. And yet I feel like

1480
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: you have You've probably earned a place where you can

1481
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: just sort of You've seen it all, You've done it all.

1482
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: You've shocked everybody up and down. Like, I think, you

1483
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: don't have to be nervous about any But I.

1484
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 3: Make fun of the rules that we live by, not

1485
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 3: our parents. I make fun of the liberals rules. And

1486
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: now there are more rules than my parents had.

1487
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: Oh, trust me, understand we do. We understand that completely.

1488
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: I have a thing.

1489
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So on every episode we end with a song,

1490
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: So you're gonna do that this time. You're gonna end

1491
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 2: this episode with the song.

1492
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, set me free, stupid cupid, step fucking with me.

1493
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: Last Culture Racist is the production by Will Ferrell's Big

1494
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: Money Players in iHeartRadio podcasts.

1495
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 2: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang executive

1496
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: produced by Anna hasby A and produced by Becca Ramos,

1497
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 2: Edited and mixed by Duck Babe, and our music

1498
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: Is by Henry Kamerski