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Speaker 1: what I mean, right, they had them. They had the

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00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: um the one album in ninety where it was like

428
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: the lineup of already Red Bill uh, scarfacing Willie d.

429
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: That was like in ninety but we was we was

430
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: like three years ahead of them, Yeah, because that because

431
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: that was the incarnation of the ghetto boys that really

432
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: took off right exactly. And and the funny thing about that, Um,

433
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, a friend of ours out of Houston at

434
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: that time, little Troy that got the had to want

435
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: to be a baller record that everybody knows. At that

436
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: time he was handling Scarface. He actually you know, the

437
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: call me Mr. Scarface song was his record, and he

438
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: was trying to get the record shopped around at different people.

439
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: Scar Face was almost signed by Scott Walker Records. He

440
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: had brought on scar Face to us and all of that, Um,

441
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, we're breaking some history right here.

442
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: Scarface was almost on Luke Records. Yeah, yeah, for sure,

443
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: and uh but Luke Luke passed on the situation and

444
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: um Troy ended up taking him over there to to

445
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: wrap a lot with Little Jay. Now, now, can you

446
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: imagine the whole shifting hip hop that would have happened

447
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: had Scarface wound up on Luke Records? Because you would

448
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: produce the apps. Yeah, I would have. I would have

449
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: been producing them. You know. The funny thing about it, though,

450
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: it's just like I say, his record, you know, his

451
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: his record was on you know that Mr. Scarface record

452
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: was doing really well, and you know, but at the

453
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: at that time, though people you know, we didn't know

454
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: enough about Texas. Texas didn't know anything about Miami. They

455
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: just knew about the records those being done. It's that,

456
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's like going to do records with strangers.

457
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: Even though the stranger can you know, sounds good or whatever,

458
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: you really don't know how to judge how well they

459
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: can do or not do because you're not from that market.

460
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: So most pretty much huh, go ahead, because we got

461
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: a little leg go here. Yeah. No, what I was

462
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: gonna say was is that our music was rap music,

463
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: but it was more dance than it was wrapped, you

464
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So we got over in a

465
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: lot of places that probably wouldn't trip off a hardcore

466
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: in New York rap, but they like the party aspect

467
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: or dance aspect to the records that we was making.

468
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: I can see that because those records was big. I'm

469
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: talking about. I don't care if you was a hip

470
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: hop heck, you go on the club on a Friday

471
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: and Saturday night and throw that d one of those

472
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: cuts came on. It was on a cracking because everybody

473
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: like the booty's shaking, and even today, even to this day,

474
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: it gets attention right right, it gets attention on when

475
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: you listen to the music today, do you hear a

476
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: lot of your influence in it? Um? I hear my

477
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: influence in it. But I think what happens is that

478
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: these some people with skill and Okay, there you go

479
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: right there, there you go right there. So you know

480
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about, man, I'm I'm gonna want to

481
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: go back to that scar face of a bit because

482
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: Luke almost had a trick daddy too, right, well, he

483
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: did have trick Daddy. Tricked Daddy basically Um. There was

484
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: a big rap contests at the world famous Pack Jam

485
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: Team Club and Tricked Daddy won the contest and winning

486
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: the contact. Winning the contest was to do some songs

487
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: with Luke on his new album that he was coming

488
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: out with, So that record Scard that Trick that he's on,

489
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: that was part of that deal of him UM winning

490
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: that UM that thing, and he done did a couple

491
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: of more songs on that actual album. But when it

492
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: came time to sign Trick Daddy for what Trick Daddy wanted,

493
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: Luke didn't um do the situation with them, and he

494
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: ended up working with UM. Um. These guys that you

495
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: know built up Slipping Slide. Slipping Slide didn't even I

496
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: don't think it existed before a Trick Um showed up

497
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 1: over there with some other street cats that you know

498
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: did they did they thing with Slipping Slide and a

499
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: lot of the people that used to work for Loop

500
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: Records ended up working over there at Slipping Slide, So

501
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's just people with the people ain't familiar

502
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: Slipping Slide. There's another influencial label. They kind of brought

503
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: the second wave of Miami and I think Trick Rosses

504
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: and the Trick Daddies and the Triners and all of them.

505
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: There were all people that you were familiar with. Y'all

506
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: had access like y'all had access to Ross back then. Nick.

507
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: You well, back at that time, you know those guys,

508
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: we wasn't doing anything. They weren't you know, they was

509
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: watching us do what we were doing. Trina, her mom

510
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: was a big hair stylist and um in Miami. And

511
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: Trina was young. I mean, she was like a kid

512
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: at that time when when our stuff was doing what

513
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: it was doing. Because I think when she started doing

514
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: the stuff with with Trick Daddy, you know, I think

515
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: she was only like eighteen nineteen or something like that.

516
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: That was like in nine, So that was like, you know,

517
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: ten years removed from what we was doing. You know,

518
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: she was an elementary school. I think that's the time

519
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: that we was doing what we was doing for sure.

520
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: For sure, you know, going back, Hubbs and you know,

521
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: y'all got these records and y'all was y'all did a

522
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: lot of cursing. Man, y'all had a lot of perverted

523
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: stuff going on. You know what I mean perverted you know,

524
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: because I'm talking about talking, I'm talking about in the

525
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: eyes of the world, you know what I mean? It

526
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: was risk content, right, Well, you spook the first time

527
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: the police showed up at y'all show no, because I

528
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: really thought that they were joking. I mean, we're you know,

529
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: we never okay, I'll put it to you this way.

530
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: We would never hear about people like Eddie Murphy or

531
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: Richard Pryor or Dola By going to jail for doing

532
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: a comedy act. So why in the hell are they

533
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: looking at messing with us for doing rap records. That's

534
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: real talk. That's real talk, you know what I'm saying.

535
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: So it wasn't you know, if it was something that

536
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: we were kind of scooped about, we probably wouldn't have

537
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: went no further with it. But um Luke probably had

538
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: a better understanding than what myself for um kid Ice

539
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: and Marquees actually, and you know, we were just rolling with,

540
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, just rolling with what it was that was happening.

541
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: We didn't really think that it would get as serious

542
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: as people was making it because we knew that we

543
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: were just making records. We weren't, you know, trying to

544
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: be on the extra stuff. We're making political statements us

545
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: that the third or whatever, you know what I mean.

546
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: So it was it was funny to me a lot

547
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: of the stuff you know that you know, my records

548
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: are actually making this kind of a ruckets or stuff

549
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: that I'm involved with and making this kind of the ruckets.

550
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, it's kind of hard to believe

551
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: at first. All right, for show man, I want to

552
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: go into these comments man and get some questions. Man.

553
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: You know what my guy Rasha Grace said. Ross was

554
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: done with Eric Srman before slipping Slide. He went by

555
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: the name of Tefflon. He's on the Eric Sermon Eric

556
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: O NAT's album. That is a factory shot. He was.

557
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: He was messing with Eric Sermon. He was also messing

558
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: with the boy um over at another Texas label. Um,

559
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: what's my boy's name? You're talking about Suave House. Suave House,

560
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: you have Tony Draper and them guys. He was down

561
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: there with them, the Big Willow. He you know, he

562
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: went through his transitions. He worked hard. It wasn't an

563
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: easy road from Overnight because I remember hearing about him

564
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: like probably like eight years before he blew up, you

565
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: know exactly. He was doing a lot of writing for

566
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: different people. What is the biggest thing that you can

567
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: take away from the game, Like, what's your biggest contribution

568
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: you think you gave the hip hop because a lot

569
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: of people, and I'm gonna say this before you answer

570
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: your question, I want to say this, A lot of

571
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: people don't know that you are a very dope hip

572
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: hop producer. They know you could produce records and you know,

573
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: dance records and everything, but I don't think they really

574
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: know that you you got some heat though. Yeah. One

575
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: the thing is is that you know, back in those days,

576
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: the only person that was um um um politically, not

577
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: not politicized, publicized was Teddy Riley. Back in those days,

578
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of guys out of

579
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: New York that was good at what it is that

580
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: they did, but the group's got the credit for for them,

581
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and not one of those

582
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: guys that fell into that mode. I mean basically, um,

583
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: I knew that I was good at what it is,

584
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: but I knew how to do. I came from a

585
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: musical world, you know what I mean. I was and

586
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: um elementary school all the way through high school playing saxophones.

587
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: I was already you know, musically trained about a lot

588
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I just took what it is that

589
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: I learned with music, UM into you know, into rap theory,

590
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: I should say rap music theory, you know what I mean. So, UM,

591
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: you know most of the stuff that I did, you know,

592
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: I had had opportunities to work with um, you know,

593
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: Kid Frosts. I did a couple of records on his albums,

594
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: um Um the No Sunshine record is is. I produced

595
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: that record for him. UM did stuff, you know, M

596
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: C eight helped on a couple of the records that

597
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: I did with Frost. Um. I did stuff with Little

598
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: Flips to get stuff with the Ghetto Boys, all kinds

599
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: of different little records here and there. They weren't necess

600
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: they weren't singles. They were parts of of the albums

601
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: that came out. M So, do you feel like you

602
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: ever feel like you underrated a little bit of Well,

603
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm underrated as far as being publicized,

604
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. People don't really know who

605
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: I am, you know, Um, I guess you know, people

606
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: know my music. You know. Luke indirectly takes the credit

607
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: for a lot of the stuff that went on with UM.

608
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: With our records. People would just automatically think that he

609
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: probably was the one that was dictating all of the

610
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: stuff that was going on musically, because he's the face

611
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: that everybody knows, so you know. But beyond that, you know,

612
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: I guess if you have to put it from the

613
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: standpoint of publicity wise, yeah, I mean, extremely um underrated

614
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: for sure. You know what. One of the things that

615
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about because you grod because

616
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: you guys when the when the group kind of disbanded.

617
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: When they disbanded, you guys were kind of like at

618
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: your height, right, yeah, yeah, we were at our heights,

619
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: you know. And and which is crazy because um, I

620
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: always felt like, you know, any problem that was happening,

621
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: it could be solved easily. But um, you know, at

622
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: that time, Luke wasn't trying to um solve any problems

623
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: because he felt like, um, he was the reason that

624
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: everything was happening, and that we just happened to be

625
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: part of his train, even though we all built the

626
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: train ourselves, you know what I mean. So everybody had

627
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: their little job, uh to do with what it was

628
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: that was happening, you know what I mean. So it's

629
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: just one of those things, you know, Look, when when

630
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: you're young, you don't really know better how to handle

631
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: the situation and all of that. Because you guys were

632
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: making a lot of money out there, what y'all, Yeah,

633
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: we were doing pretty good. I mean people would come

634
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: from you know, from up north. Luke would still do

635
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: these big contents, like every Christmas he would do a

636
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: big concert thing and have, um, a lot of people

637
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: from New York, California come out to do this thing,

638
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: and that we would headline the event. So um, you know,

639
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: people were seeing that we was living in a way

640
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: that the average rapper wasn't living. You know, everybody had

641
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: their own spot. You know, everybody had their own cars,

642
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: jewelry that that the third. You know, nobody was you know,

643
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: wearing each other's chains and all that kind of stuff.

644
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: It was we was, We was living good. But you know, Bobs,

645
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: being so far away from California and New York, we

646
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: didn't really truly know how the other rappers was living.

647
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, as you're seeing that the

648
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: mother raps broke, they had to sha Chaine and stuff,

649
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: but y'all had because I don't know, y'all had, y'all,

650
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: slick Rick ain't going you used to come up with

651
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: a game. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Um. And

652
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, and at that time, you know, the the

653
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: impression of the change back at that time, you know,

654
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: it was what they called hollow gold, meaning that the

655
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: way that it's constructed, it's not solid gold all the

656
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: way through, not um from the standpoint of every you know,

657
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: every nuance of what the rope chain was. It wasn't

658
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,959
Speaker 1: heavy like that. It was. They were constructed to where

659
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: they had a decent amount of weight on them. But

660
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: the way that the change were constructed, it was constructed

661
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: like in a U shape, so all of it was

662
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: gold four team care gold. But it would be like

663
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, hollow part. It would be a hollow part

664
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: of the actual chain. It would be like in a

665
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: UTH shape and then formed in the way of how

666
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: the chain would go. It was the week full up

667
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: with gold because I saw y'all even when we first

668
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: started working together, I should trip out when you can't. Man,

669
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: you had Mr Teeth, Look, you had so much gold

670
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: on man. There was just a thing. You know, the

671
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: Southern cats always loved the God, you know what I mean,

672
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: and gold to gold Teeth and all that. Degrell. I've

673
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: never gotten. I never got into the gold teeth thing.

674
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: I always felt like I would be in the face

675
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: of white people too much for that to be the case.

676
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: And you know, and and it's also was used as

677
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, a form of being slick or being u

678
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: robber or jacka. You know, the guys that had all

679
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: the gold teeth and theyme out back in the early days.

680
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: Those are the guys that you didn't really want to

681
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: deal with, the cats that you know it was probably

682
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: trying to rob you or take the card from y'allting

683
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, card Jackie whatever that was. Yeah, exactly then

684
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: was a thug. So you know, you did a lot

685
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: of stuff with Luke Records. I know you was house producer.

686
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: You pretty much was they Many Fresh before it wasn't

687
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Many Fresh, right. Well, you know the funny thing about

688
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: that is that I've known Many Fresh that long. I've

689
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: done Many Fresh since like eighty six, and you know

690
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: that's way before Cast Money and then showed up. But

691
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: Many Fresh was always doing production in New Orleans. We

692
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: would be in New Orleans all the time doing shows,

693
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: and they would open up shows for us. And that's

694
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: that in the third you know, it's just funny how

695
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: this game goes. Um, you know U Manny Fred did

696
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: the same things, but many fresh did for cash Money.

697
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: I was definitely doing for Luke Records back in those days.

698
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: And with some of the groups that you brought in

699
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: that the people know, you know, like with some of

700
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: the groups that you produce something the Poison Clan which

701
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: is um JT Money and another guy named Devon there

702
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: and um you know Devon there and them started another

703
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: group called Home Team. They had the record call pick

704
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: It Up, Pick it Up. Um. Let me see who else? Um,

705
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: there's a couple of different but like DJ Too was

706
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: part of mc shidey's um DJ situation. He was one

707
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: of the DJ's and you know at that time he

708
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: was like a teenager and he but he was extremely talented.

709
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: He never got opportunity to produce any of the records

710
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: back in those days, but he scratched on some of

711
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: the records and things like that. So, uh, who else

712
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: was back in those days? Uh? Um there was we

713
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: had um girl group called an Quiette. That's a that's

714
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: a you know, um government named an Quiette. They had

715
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: the song um I would Always be there for you.

716
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: It was a slow song that was and uh. And

717
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: then you know there would be people that you know

718
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: would just be you know, pop in and out, you know,

719
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: do stuff. UM. There was this one guy that used

720
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: to do our remixes UM that was from out of

721
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: New York. His name was Chap nun Yez. He's probably

722
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: like the baddest UM editor of UM, you know doing

723
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: remix back at that time. And he was He was

724
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: a guy that I definitely looked up to out of

725
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: New York. And Professor Griff you know of Public Enemy

726
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: when he got UM put out a Public Enemy. Luke

727
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: UM did an album on him through through Luke Records,

728
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: so that you know, crew of New York cats that

729
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: came down with him. They was cool. Um, there's a

730
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: bunch of different Like I said, it was a lot

731
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: of people. You know we had you know actually UM

732
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: at that time ready for the world that you know,

733
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: did O'shila and all of that. They was down at

734
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: our studios doing stuff too, Is that right? Yeah? They

735
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: you know they what was so funny they made us

736
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: you know they're from Michigan, They from Flint, Michigan. So

737
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: when they came down, they said, hey man, you guys

738
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: gonna have the computer set up for U to make

739
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: the music, and we didn't know what the hell they

740
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: was talking about. We're just so used to doing stuff,

741
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: you know, hand to hand combat. But they were used

742
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: to doing stuff, you know, in the l A studios

743
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: with like you know, l A reading baby face stuff.

744
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: You know, they thought we was equipped that way, and

745
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: we weren't, you know, so it's just a little you know,

746
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: this little stuff like that. Who else is to come

747
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: down there? We did stuff with Trouble Flunk from out

748
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: the d C. Good friends with them, um uh oh

749
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: and um that's a signing. Daddy owned them. They used

750
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: to come to mind me a lot, yo, did that? Man?

751
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 1: You know, did you ever think like and answer truth?

752
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: Do you ever think it's a way that the group

753
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: can never get back together? I know, rest in peace

754
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: fresh ki of ice. You know we that's unfortunate right there.

755
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: Do you ever think it's a way they done like

756
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: Luke every come back into the phold you put that

757
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: back together again. Well, if um, if based showed up

758
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: and said he was gonna give each other us two

759
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: million dollars a piece, he probably would show up. I'm

760
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: pretty sure. Anything anything short of that, I don't know

761
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: It's got a hard to say because everybody is kind

762
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: of setting their ways about you know, who would be

763
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: the boss, how would this get done? How would that

764
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: get done? And this that the third you know, I

765
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, if it was I don't have no problem

766
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: with working with Mark or Luke, you know what I mean,

767
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: it's just the isum schisms that come with working with them.

768
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: What kind of schisms? Just that criticism? You know, optimism

769
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: is that bad though? Hey, I wouldn't say it's bad.

770
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: I think it's bad with people bad mouth each other

771
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: um over the internet. And we've never really done that.

772
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: I haven't done that. You know. I think Mark went

773
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: in a little bit at one time. But you know,

774
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: Luke don't really have to do it because everybody feels

775
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: like he did everything. Anyway, So you're the one that

776
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: really started the group of you blind all the talent

777
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: up and you you made it all happen. Yeah, that's true,

778
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: you know. And the thing is, when you know, if

779
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: it went a movie ever shows up there, you know,

780
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: these will be things that that'll you know, that will

781
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: come to pass. You know. It's like people believe what

782
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: it is that they want to believe. You know what

783
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying and um, you know, you know, like that

784
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: old saying, you can't fight see the city Hall, meaning

785
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: that you can't fight everybody that believes a particular thing.

786
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: You just have to wait for it to go down

787
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: and happen. The same thing like with this thing with

788
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby. The situation with him was already a done

789
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: deal with the DA. They said they would never pursue anything.

790
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: But then that guy retired it, and then the new

791
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: DA said, you know, screw what that DA was talking about.

792
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick this stuff up, and then put the

793
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: whole thing in the trick bag. Then he had to

794
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: go sit down for two or three years. That was

795
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: okay there. Someone tried to call man, Oh so that

796
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: me and you put the thing in the airplane mode

797
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: where nobody can't call you. Yeah, man, because my phone

798
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: be blowing up. You know, my phone rings two at

799
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: the times an hour. Man. Everybody wants something from me. Yes,

800
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: so so yeah, man, Um, you know I just think

801
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: that man. You know, at the end of the day,

802
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, if if somebody was the call and say,

803
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: hey man, we need to do a record, you know, um,

804
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: I'd probably be the first one there on deck to

805
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: do what needs to be done. You know, everybody else

806
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: might be on some other stuff, but I ain't never

807
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: been on anything with with with none of the guys.

808
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, I love Mark as a brother.

809
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: You know, I looked at Luke as a older brother

810
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: in mine in the earlier days, you know, so you know,

811
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: it's never been no issue issue like you know, like

812
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna being some on site d s when people

813
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: see nine. If it's ever been that, I ain't never

814
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: known it to be that. That's good. That's a good

815
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: thing man. Which people when you met him, I mean

816
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: all that all there years ago, when you came to

817
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: mind me and you met Luke for the first time

818
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: or whatever, it was never that vibe. Right now. He

819
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: came in and did the record for us, he can't

820
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: run on the in and did the record for us.

821
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't no issue. It wasn't no issue. He was

822
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: always cool with me. You know, you're always be cool brothers.

823
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: That's what I always asked, man. You know, I think, man,

824
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with people that are pretty good people

825
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: by nature, it's always a chance of reconciliation. Oh yeah, yeah,

826
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: it's always you know, you know, it's always that. Like,

827
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years ago, I did some

828
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: shoulder with Luke, you know what I mean. But I

829
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: just it's the static is just different, you know, with

830
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: we're doing the stuff with him. Now he knows that

831
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: it's his thing and he's inviting me in. So it's

832
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: different than you know what we had the group thing

833
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: where everybody has equal footing. Now it's not equal footing.

834
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: It's a situation where it's his thing and he's bringing

835
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: you into a situation, which is way different. Yeah. So

836
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: what is Mr Mix have going on? There? Are you

837
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: still out there making music? Man? That we got the

838
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: project coming up? What we got going on? Yeah? Man,

839
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean you know, the only thing that I'm on

840
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: is on Instagram at two live Mix. Um, I'm always

841
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: doing you know, doing a little stuff and got some projects,

842
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: you know. But my thing is the men tet your

843
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: phone off, don't take it off through the airplane move.

844
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: But it's all cool. We almost done. Yeah, So you

845
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: know the thing is I'm always being innovative doing stuff

846
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: with turntable stuff. You know. I go on Instagram and

847
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: do some little stuff here and there. Um, I got

848
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: some projects that I'm working on. But I'm I'm real

849
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: like all some NASA ship, you know what I mean.

850
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't never really speak on stuff you just after.

851
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't know no CDs was coming out

852
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: until they came out right exactly. But that's why I asked,

853
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: because I know you you missed the top secret, you

854
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I gotta get you to tell

855
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: It's one story, man, because this is the funniest thing

856
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: in the world. Man. Whenever I tell people this story,

857
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: they crack up. What happened the time you gave jay

858
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: Z and bat C d Well, Well, I was out

859
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: on the road with afromn right. I was It's tour dju.

860
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: We had to show up in Buffalo, New York. Nads

861
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: was on the show, jay Z a bunch of other

862
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: different people that that other. So I had never met

863
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: James do before, right, So when I approached them, I'm saying, hey, yeah,

864
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: what's up? My name such because you know, so I'm there,

865
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, rep is in myself by myself. You know,

866
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm there with Afro man. But you know what I'm

867
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: saying to our you know, me by myself. So you know,

868
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: we shook hands and and I had asked him and said, uh,

869
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, I would be interested in doing, um, some remixes,

870
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: like some uptempo remixes for you, you know, for Rockefeller

871
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: or whatever. He said, Nah, nah, I don't want none

872
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: of that. You know, um, you know, trick daddy and

873
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: treating them is down. They wanted to do some remixes

874
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: for them. I don't know if you felt like he

875
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: was trying to do some motherfucker or he was trying

876
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: to be informative. I really didn't know how to take it,

877
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: but he but he gave me some radio drops and

878
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: all of that stuff after he said it, so you know,

879
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: he would be on their own thing, you know what

880
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean. And I just thought that was funny, you

881
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: being nice in your explanation. But I take that dough,

882
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm saying though,

883
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: But he and said, like, um like it was like,

884
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, like he was trying to be on some

885
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: thunk shit about it. He really kind of I think,

886
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, looking back at it, I think he was

887
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: just trying to be you know, informative of you know

888
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: what it is that I could do. But you know

889
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: what the man actually and that's what I tell people.

890
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: I see a lot of the comments on the internet

891
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: that people talk about different people. Hope is actually a

892
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: cool brother. It seemed like it. You know, Hope was

893
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: actually alright brother. You know, he did a lot of

894
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: good stuff. Man, He just kind of to himself. He

895
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: in his own world, you know what I mean. And

896
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: when you were with billion dollars, I guess you can't

897
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: get in your own world, you know. Yeah, I mean,

898
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, just like there was a there was this

899
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: thing anybody watched the Do King movie. There was a

900
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: line that one of the guys says, say, hey, don

901
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: how many bodies you have to step over to get

902
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: to where it is that you at? And he gave

903
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: him Old City as look and gotten his limo and

904
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: took off. So you know, you know, you don't really

905
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: know people's story and why they moved the way that

906
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: they moved, you know what I'm saying. So I try

907
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: not if it ain't personal with me, I try not

908
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: to take it personal at all. Everybody moves the way

909
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: they feel like they need to move. Man. You know,

910
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: before we go, I gotta ask you this, man, because

911
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: you was around a lot of people before. You know,

912
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: like as you mentioned before, they became what they are today.

913
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: And you you know you talk about too where you

914
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: were around too when he first hooked up with tr

915
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: because t I was really his artist, right, Um, I

916
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: don't really know the story story. I'm gonna just give

917
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: you the tooth version because you know it's a Toom

918
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: version and the t I version and then the truth.

919
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the truth really is, but

920
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: I do know that at the time that um that uh,

921
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, t I was dealing with Two that he

922
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: had got dropped from from the face he was signed

923
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: of the face he had got dropped from them, and

924
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: I guess him and two started working together, and you

925
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: know too, and you know, you know Two was always

926
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: a guy that was always selling tracks in Atlanta, just

927
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: that in the third so he had a certain level

928
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: of respect with people there. And and he also do

929
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: the guy Jason Geta. So what ended up happening is

930
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,479
Speaker 1: he introduced Jason Jeter and t I to each other.

931
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: So when they started getting a little momentum and getting

932
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: a little street cred with the records that they were

933
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: doing before the Atlantic Deal showed up, what happened is is, um,

934
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, Jason Geta and m t I for what

935
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: Tooms helped me. They did the thirty two fake out.

936
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: You know, they went up there Atlantic on their own

937
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: and cut the deal and told Atlantic man that was

938
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: just the producer of the music, not a not a

939
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: like a third party, I mean, like a third member

940
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: of what the situation was. Because Too made him out

941
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: again then, Yeah, I mean, like I said, you know that,

942
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what the story is about,

943
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, from the Atlanta Chronicle. I'm just saying that's

944
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: what was told to me back then. I don't know,

945
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: being politically correct, you know what I'm saying, Mr politically correct. Yeah,

946
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: I being politically correct. I'm just saying what it is.

947
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't have a dog in

948
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: the fight of any of those guys. I don't really

949
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: know t I. I don't know Jason Jeter at all.

950
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know him if I've seen him on the street.

951
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: You know, I just know too, just based off the

952
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: fact of what we did, you know, and uh at

953
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: Luke Records, And we're still good friends to this day,

954
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: even though when I try to call me, I can't

955
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: get him on the phone all the time. But you know,

956
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: but if I was to see him out. I mean,

957
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: I think the last time I've seen two in person

958
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: was at um fresh kid ice funeral and we talked

959
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: for about an hour then, you know, and that's you

960
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: know what's funny. It's almost christ you know kid Ice

961
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: um for at the anniversary of his death. So you know,

962
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: and and and he doesn't get a lot of props

963
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: to talk. He was like really the first legitimate rapper

964
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: that was out of the South that actually, um was successful,

965
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And he's a Asian and

966
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: um you know Asian descent, and you know he's like Chinese,

967
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: like a Chinese Jamaican. He is from Trinidad. You know,

968
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: he got black, black and Chinese blood in him. That's

969
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: that's do man. And how did his death Man? When

970
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: he died, Man, was that a real big blow to you? Um,

971
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: We weren't on the best of terms at that time,

972
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: but it was you know, it was a trip to

973
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: me because I knew that it had to do everything

974
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: to do with the decision that he made a long

975
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: time ago without you know, him not getting his shoulder amputated.

976
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people thought that, you know,

977
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: he had his arm in a sling like it was

978
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: a publicity stunt or something like that, like everybody saying

979
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: that guy's arm is always broke, his arm is always broke. No,

980
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: his arm was paralyzed. He couldn't move it, and he

981
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 1: was scared to get his shoulder to be made into

982
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: a prosthetic, so he just left it hanging. And instead

983
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: of it just hanging and swinging, he put it in

984
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: a sling. Wow. Man, so that and then it came

985
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: to affect him later on. Right, exactly, exactly right, that's said. Man.

986
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: You know, do you ever feel like you didn't get

987
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: a chance to get closed because, like you said, y'all

988
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: wasn't on the best of terms when he died. Do

989
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: you ever wish you could have had that one more

990
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: conversation with him? Well, I think some people you have

991
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: closure with you just know where you're at with him,

992
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And uh, you know, I

993
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: won't go too much into it, but I know that

994
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: me and him, we weren't never to the point where

995
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: I couldn't be in the room with him. And then

996
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: also at the same time, you know he's handicapped. What

997
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: the hell? You know what I mean, what kind of problems.

998
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna give a chin checking somebody that's handicapped, even

999
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: though he might need the chin checking. You know, it's

1000
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: it's one of those situations where you know you're kind

1001
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: of handcuffed by your by your morality. And you know

1002
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: what's funny. I think you mentioned morality and we live

1003
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: in an area where everybody is so sensitive you almost

1004
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: can't even tell the truth no more. You know what

1005
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: people defended, you know what I mean? Do you think

1006
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: two Live Crew could have insisted existed in this current climate? Um?

1007
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: I think I think um, two Live Crew could um

1008
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: could exist in this climate, but maybe not necessarily the

1009
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: way that how Luke was handling some things with them,

1010
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: with the uh, the journalists and people like that. You know,

1011
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: you pick and choose who you like. You can't really

1012
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: do that. You have to be politically correct, and he

1013
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: didn't really felt he didn't at that time. He didn't

1014
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: really feel like he had to be politically correct, and

1015
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: he kind of lightweights. Feels like that right now. You

1016
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: still feel like he can be Airton when he gets

1017
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: ready to be, and you know, and that's just you know,

1018
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: that's just him, you know, good or bad. He just

1019
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: feels like that's his approach. He wouldn't and his defense

1020
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: he would always say, you know, if it was me,

1021
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: I would do such and such. He never tried to

1022
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: course me to say this or to do this or

1023
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: to do that. He would just say if it's me,

1024
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: he would always it would always be on that. So

1025
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: he does. You know, he's one of them type of

1026
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: cats that he'll walk into shoes that he walks in

1027
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: good batter and different. He's just that type of cat.

1028
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: And you know, I certain degree you gotta respect that.

1029
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, real. You know, one last question, I

1030
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: promised this last question, bro, who's the Who's your biggest

1031
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: surprise at the South? Because you saw a lot of

1032
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: people earlier. Who's the biggest surprise to you? Like? Wow,

1033
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: he really went indeed? Um out of the South? Oh wow?

1034
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: Probably Rick Ross? Where would you say that? Because he

1035
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: was with slipping sliding them when they was in there

1036
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: heyday and he never had a hint with them, you

1037
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I never even knew that

1038
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: he could rhyme as good as he did until um

1039
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: Um the Hustling record came out and I heard it

1040
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: in the nightclub and I knew who it was, but

1041
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: I didn't really you know, I said, wow, he did

1042
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: a thorough transformation, and you know, he sound extremely convincing.

1043
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: He was definitely Miami vibe, Miami attitude that hadn't showed

1044
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: up yet, you know, even though j T Money had

1045
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, Miami vibe and it's that the third. But

1046
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: his thing was like next level, you know, Pablo Escobar

1047
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: type thought process when we knew, you know, j T

1048
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: never came off as being, you know, the ultimate dope boy.

1049
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: He never came off that way he was. He was

1050
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: an ultimate my ami, average Miami street guy that knew

1051
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: how to get money and you know this that the third,

1052
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: but he wasn't viewed like he was on the Pablo

1053
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: Escobar type stuff like Rick Ross portrayed himself. But we

1054
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: all knew guys like that in Miami. So but Rick

1055
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: Ross was never viewed as that, as that guy. He

1056
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: came from an area where some of those guys come from,

1057
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: but he encompassed that whole thought process and morphed it

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Speaker 1: into what people know as that's what you know, Miami

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Speaker 1: cat is off. Well, you know, one thing that we

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Speaker 1: will say about Rose because he's a cool dude. All

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Speaker 1: my counters with him have always been like, he's an extra.

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Speaker 1: He's a cool dude, you know what I mean, right,

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Speaker 1: real cool dude, ain't funny active man. And I think, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, I get happy for dudes like that man

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Speaker 1: because you know, he fought to fight, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, And and he took it, you know.

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Speaker 1: And and this is the other thing. You can never

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Speaker 1: take the fortitude from some body. If a person gets

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to be able to make something pop, you

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Speaker 1: still got to have the mindset to be able to

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Speaker 1: want your in it, to be able to cultivate it

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Speaker 1: and make it in the more so with that I

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Speaker 1: can say that you know, you know, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like self proclaimed. He's the biggest boss, and he's showing

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Speaker 1: it up in a lot of ways on him fifteen

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Speaker 1: wing stops and that's that in the third and you know,

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Speaker 1: he's getting money that people don't even think that he's getting,

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Speaker 1: you know, anybody. Maybe people don't really realize how significant

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Speaker 1: he found the Holy Field was in the kind of

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Speaker 1: house that he had in Atlanta. Yeah, Ross is getting

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Speaker 1: his money. Ross is very Ross is doing his thing, man,

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Speaker 1: and not give him his props. You know a lot

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Speaker 1: of people may not get into. But it's all entertainment

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00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: to me. You know, it's just like somebody to write

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00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: a movie. You know, that's his thing. He talks about,

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Speaker 1: like you said, the next level scar faced populska bar

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00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: type of stuff. But you know he's living in the

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Speaker 1: Vandor Holy Fields Old house. That house is huge a

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Speaker 1: lot of people. I'm in the house like a shopping

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Speaker 1: mall right exactly. And um, you know, and the funny

1091
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 1: thing about it, he got it up off from him.

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00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: So how do you just get it up off from

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00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: You have to have it, you have to have the money.

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Speaker 1: But maybe the money ain't coming off from like I said,

1095
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: from the rap stuff. Maybe you know, him and his

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00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: family was able to cultivate all of those wings stops.

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Speaker 1: I think they got like fifteen wings stops. Oh, he's

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: definitely doing his game. Man. But you know, I appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: big bro. And man, we gotta add you on here again. Man,

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Speaker 1: And you know, get ready for everybody out there in

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Speaker 1: the l A area. Get ready for me and Mr

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Speaker 1: Mixes Ultimate booty Shaking Party. It's going down, yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: Well that concludes another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast.

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