1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: June twenty seven, two thousand. Every time June twenty seven 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: rolls around, I think about Molly Bish. Why what happened 4 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: to a beautiful, beautiful young girl, Molly Bish. 5 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: It's been twenty five years since teen lifeguard Molly Bish 6 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 3: disappeared just minutes after her mother dropped her off at 7 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: Commons Pond for work. Molly's remains were found three years later. 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 3: Twenty six of her two hundred and six bones were 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: found five miles away from this swimming area, but her 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 3: murder remains unsolved. Rodney Stanger, a Southbridge man who was 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: convicted of murdering his girlfriend, was once a potential suspect, 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: but more recently Da Joe Early said another man, Frank Sumner, 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: ex offender who died in twenty sixteen, is a person 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: of interest. 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: Let's just revisit what happened. 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: Joining me right now is a special guest, Maggie Bish 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: and her daughter Heather. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. It was Molly's eighth 19 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: day at a brand new job as a lifeguard. She 20 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: was just sixteen. It was a hot summer day. Do 21 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: you remember that day, Maggie. 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 4: Oh, how I do again. We had just gotten out 23 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 4: of school. I'm a school teacher and had cleaned your 24 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 4: room and I had I actually was a special led teacher, 25 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 4: and I had some ip some work to complete, and 26 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 4: so we were all kind of buzzing a little bit. 27 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 4: You know. Molly had a new job. My son had 28 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 4: just trained her, and I had taken her to work 29 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 4: the day before, and it was kind of a little unsettling. 30 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: We had seen a car that day parked in a 31 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 4: parking lot and there was only one white vehicle, and 32 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 4: Molly got out and she was very excited and said, hye, Mom, 33 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 4: I love you, see you later, you know, when she 34 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 4: had to get some supplies ready and go down to 35 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 4: the beach. It was the first week of the swimming 36 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 4: lessons for the town kids. So we live in a 37 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 4: very small community, only four thousand folks. One traffic light, 38 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 4: a beautiful town in the central Massachusetts. Well, Molly went 39 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: off and I see this vehicle on this man and 40 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 4: he ends up kind of staring at me, and I 41 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 4: get kind of unnerved, and I said, I can't leave 42 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 4: Molly here. What is this guy doing here? So I 43 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 4: head to the beach and meet her and we sit 44 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 4: and it is a very lovely little place and it's 45 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: kind of again it's down a main street, but it's 46 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: also kind of isolated. And we sit, we talk and 47 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 4: I really we haven't talked a whole lot about danger, 48 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: but we talked about you know, I said, I noticed 49 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 4: there's more men around maybe and she says, oh, it's 50 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 4: just fisherman mom, not concerned at all. I talk about 51 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 4: how nice the beach is, and then I said, I 52 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 4: got to get back and do my reports. So I 53 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 4: go to the car and this individual is still there. 54 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: I am so kind of awestruck, like what is he doing. 55 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: He's just sitting there smoking a cigarette. There's nothing to view, 56 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 4: it's goods. And I get into my car and I'm looking. 57 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: I had not even taken my purse before, so when 58 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 4: I go in, I'm pretending I'm getting something, and prior 59 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: to that, I'm walking and he stares at me. And 60 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 4: I have to tell you, it's like a mother bear. 61 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 4: You just want to protect your child. You just say, 62 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: what are you doing here? Go to work. It's ten 63 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning. And that just got me nerved. 64 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: So when I went to the car to get my purse. 65 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 4: He pulled out so fast that I didn't even think. 66 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 4: I just got relieved. It was one of those immediate 67 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 4: gut feelings. I just was uncomfortable, and that white car 68 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 4: still to this day, we've never found We never found 69 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 4: the individual who was driving it. Our case remains unsolved. 70 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 4: And anyway, the next day happened. Took Molly to work 71 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 4: the same talked to her that night about being safe, 72 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 4: even offered her a little cubaton stick, which my husband 73 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 4: had as a provation officer. She said, Mom, I don't 74 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 4: need it. It's just fishermen. Don't worry. And that next morning, 75 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 4: after I drove over to work, there wasn't a single 76 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: car in the parking lot. She said, goodbye, Mom, I 77 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 4: love you. Our routine kind of farewell, and that was 78 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 4: the last time I ever heard my Molly. And I 79 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 4: would have never, ever in my wildest dreams or sadness, 80 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 4: has imagined that three hours later I would get a 81 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: phone call from the Assistant Chief of police that Molly 82 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 4: had not been at the pond all morning. Her things 83 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: were left on the beach, an open first aid kit, 84 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 4: the police radio, her shoes, and her backpack, all remained 85 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 4: on the beach, and nobody knew where she was at 86 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: that point. It just was an unusual event for us. 87 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: Molly was very conscientious, very kind of nervous. It's a 88 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 4: new job. They told me she probably went with friends. 89 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 4: It didn't make sense. She left her shoes, she left 90 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 4: her backpack, but she left the job at ten o'clock 91 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 4: when she just was starting. It just didn't make sense 92 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 4: at all. So I called my daughter, Heather, and Heather 93 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 4: said she would meet me at the beach, and I 94 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 4: immediately got in my car went to the beach and 95 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 4: I went I'm still in belief, and I'm calling her 96 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 4: and screaming her name. On the beach, Molly, Molly, and 97 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 4: people were coming. There was no Molly, and people had 98 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: said that she hadn't been there. There had been no 99 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 4: lifeguard all day. And I knew I dropped her off. 100 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 4: I've seen her things, so I was very very frightened. 101 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 4: For me. The first gut reaction was something that is 102 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: really wrong here. I started to go toward the police station. 103 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 4: There comes Heather with our new little granddaughter, and we'd 104 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 4: go into the police station and I say, something's very wrong. 105 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 4: I need this chief. The assistant chief because he called 106 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 4: me and my husband, and because he was a probation 107 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 4: in the local area at the local court, I said 108 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: call him. That's how upset I was already. I knew 109 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 4: in my heart that this was not how Molly operated. 110 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 4: And they told us to go in a little room. 111 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 4: It was two young officers and they figured out that, oh, 112 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: she just went with friends. They weren't concerned. And that's 113 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: when Heather. 114 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 5: And I, well, they told you to go in the room, 115 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 5: and I took off looking for MOLLI friends. Well then 116 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 5: so I went from there. 117 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: And then I went also to look for her other 118 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 4: friend in the next town that was a good friend, 119 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 4: and she was accounted for, and then I got my 120 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 4: son returned to we returned to the beach, and when 121 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: we got to the beach, we were aghast. I mean, 122 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: people in a small town heard Molly was not at 123 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 4: the beach. It was on the scanners and there were 124 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 4: people starting to come. And Molly's friend's father was the 125 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 4: head of the fire department, and nobody, I think this 126 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 4: was the hard partnerancy. Nobody knew. Everybody felt something, but 127 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: they didn't know what to do. And I really didn't 128 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: see the priests. As I got there, it was the 129 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 4: fireman had actually entered the pond thinking Molly drowned swimming, 130 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 4: and that was very frightful. They had those special dogs 131 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: to determine if there was a body. I mean, it 132 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: was like you are now really in a surreal, unbelievable 133 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: place that you've never been, and it's heartbreaking because you 134 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 4: don't know where your daughter is. Nobody knows where she is, 135 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: and you're just watching this show progress and it was 136 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: scary and sad and you worry what she's thinking. You 137 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 4: don't know what. Now that you have children, I know 138 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 4: you can imagine how hard what would your child do? 139 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 4: And you know each child has their own personality. Molly 140 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: was funny and silly, but she was also very shy 141 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 4: and if someone would hurt her, but she would also 142 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: trust somebody because she was a good kid and she 143 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: had no reason not to. You know, if they dressed 144 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 4: like a police officer, or they dressed in some you know, 145 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 4: authoritative she would go. And that's how I know that 146 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 4: we looked there was no nobody had Molly, and we 147 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: had everybody that she was a friends with accounted for. 148 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 4: And that was really a beginning of our horrible nightmare. 149 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 6: Everyone with me. 150 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: Maggie Bish, this is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing 151 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: one warm June morning two thousand to search still on 152 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: for Molly's killer. And when I hear you talking, I 153 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: can't help it. It takes me straight back to when 154 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: my fiancee was murdered. And there's that feeling you. I 155 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: felt like a wild animal. This is the only way 156 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: I can describe it. I felt like a wild animal that. 157 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 6: Couldn't form words. 158 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to break the window with my bare hands, 159 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: and just how I didn't even know words to say. 160 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking. I remember one night, right before I 161 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: was supposed to go on the air, my longtime makeup artist, 162 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: Shazon was with me and she got a call and 163 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: she had her hands in my hair at the moment 164 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: and put it on the speaker and her son was missing, 165 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: Arlington was missing, and everything just went berserk. And I mean, 166 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 2: I've covered all these cases. I know what to do, 167 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: I know who to call, but when it happens to you, 168 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: it's a whole whole another can of worms in her story. 169 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 6: He was found, Oh thank goodness. 170 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking about you at that pond and 171 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: they're looking in the water and you see the first 172 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: aid kid and you see her shoes, and everything's there. 173 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: Everything's right, everything is present. But Mollie, when did you 174 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: find out what happened to Molly? 175 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 4: It took three long years before we knew anything, and 176 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 4: they were hard, and it was really tough for our 177 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 4: whole family, and family suffer. You know where we used 178 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: to have fragile fridays. If we made it another week, 179 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 4: you know, how are we doing? Checking in with each other? 180 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 4: It was tough. We didn't have small children my children. 181 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: My son was just in this rist year of college 182 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 4: and Heather was just had their first child. So we 183 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 4: were a little older, which in some ways is easier, 184 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 4: but it's still very difficult because every age has its 185 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 4: own difficult acceptance. 186 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: You're so right about that, And there are so many 187 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: phases you go through one. 188 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 6: When you suffer a loss. My father passed. 189 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: Away and I'm still a mess. He and I were, 190 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: I guess soulmates were just. I mean, I love my mother, 191 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: I'm extremely close to her. I've always talked to her 192 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: more I guess than I did my dad. But he 193 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: and I were just two peas in a pod and 194 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: you go through. 195 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: It hurts me too. 196 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 6: Much to remember what I went through when Keith was murdered. 197 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: But the thing that that phases you go through when 198 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 2: you lose somebody. But I guess I don't know what 199 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 2: I'll have to ask you because I knew almost immediately 200 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: who murdered Keith and what had happened to him. 201 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 6: But it was two thousand and three, almost to the day. 202 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 6: It was June nine, two thousand and three before you 203 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 6: knew what had happened. 204 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 4: Well, you know it is. Oh, I can tell you, 205 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 4: it's awful. My We actually we had did the Missing 206 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: Children's Day May at the end of May, and we 207 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 4: had come home and John had gotten a call, my husband, 208 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: and he said, we have to get home. And usually 209 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 4: I'm saying thank you to all the people. We have 210 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 4: two bustles of people that we take with us to Boston, 211 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 4: and so I'm very grateful. We put flowers we could 212 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 4: forget me not you don't go out there. We do 213 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 4: a big, beautiful program. So we were coming home with 214 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 4: all this stuff and John is saying, get home, We're going, 215 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 4: We're going, and he was pushing me. I was getting 216 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 4: a little agitated. But what happened is one of the 217 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 4: news reporters came to our house and they had the 218 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 4: pictures because somebody did not believe. Well, how it went 219 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 4: is there was a hunter that had spotted something that 220 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 4: he wasn't familiar with, but he mentioned it to this 221 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 4: person who used to be a police officer, and so 222 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 4: they went and they were kind of on their own 223 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 4: doing this. And then I guess this police officer didn't 224 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 4: believe that the you know, he was afraid the police 225 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: would take credit for his fine, I guess, and so 226 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 4: he wanted someone to take pictures. He called them the press, 227 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 4: and the press did it, and so guess what they do. 228 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 4: They show it to us before the police even called 229 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 4: us and told us anything. So I'm in my driveway 230 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 4: and you know how in the press car like the vands, 231 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 4: they have all the TVs. Oh no, there's Molly's. Yeah, 232 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 4: this is how Molly's. I seen her bathing suit in 233 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: the rust in the leaves, the old leaves, and John 234 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: didn't remember, you know, my husband. You know, it's so funny. 235 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: I actually went out with her to buy this special 236 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 4: bathing suit because they didn't have the colored ones. The 237 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: recreational person who was going to order them, so I 238 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 4: knew exactly what it was. It was a blue one, 239 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 4: but it was a special one, and I knew right 240 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: then and there my knees almost crumbled and I ran 241 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 4: up the stairs and to our home. And I mean 242 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 4: there was three days that I could say. And when 243 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 4: you were talking earlier, you do, it's like a primal cry. 244 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 4: It's from the depths of your soul. I knew, and 245 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 4: I didn't want it, you know, you want to find Molly. 246 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 4: But it wasn't the way we had hoped, you know, 247 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 4: and my I mean I cried, and it just that 248 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 4: was one of the worst I have to say days. 249 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: And I hollowed and every piece of meat was spent. 250 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 6: And say, you know that you say it was a 251 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 6: special swimsuit. That and the moment you saw you. 252 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Knew what it was. 253 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: What was it that you knew beyond a doubt that 254 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: was Molly's swimsuit? 255 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: No, I really I don't know to analyze it. I 256 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: think it's just that I was the mother. I picked 257 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: it out. It was the color, and I think there 258 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: was a little bit she was going to the training 259 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 4: for the lifeguards and she needed a certain kind of 260 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: you know, a tank suit type, so I knew that material, 261 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 4: and it was blue, but it had some you know, 262 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 4: it had to be a little bit cool, so it 263 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 4: had some mixed colorings in the middle of different things. 264 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: And I've seen it. I knew, I just knew. And 265 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 4: you know, again, they had to send the police in, 266 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: they had to send the search party, and they had 267 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 4: and I mean that began a really another whole experience 268 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: because the first day they came home with one bone, 269 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: you know, yeah, it was a shitten bone, but it 270 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 4: could possibly be someone in Molly's age range. The next 271 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 4: day they had rib bones, and then by the third 272 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: day they had her skull. I mean what mother sees. 273 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 4: You know. We actually did say goodbye to Molly and 274 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 4: kissed her good bye, but we only had twenty four 275 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 4: bones that were found. But because of that, we were 276 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: able to get our dental records, you know, so that's 277 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 4: they had to certainly make sure it was Molly's and 278 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 4: I think that was the only way we were able 279 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: to They were able to fake the police, but I knew, 280 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 4: you know, and it was just. 281 00:16:54,120 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: Confirmed crime stories with Nancy Grace. 282 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: What happened to a beautiful, beautiful young girl, Molly bish 283 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: Heather bish Is Molly's sister. Heather, what do you recall 284 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: of this time. 285 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 5: Well, I think, you know, I again, it was still 286 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 5: that it couldn't be possible that Molly was abducted at 287 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 5: you know, I thought that in the beginning that it 288 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 5: had to be a mistake, and you know, sort of 289 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 5: the same thing, that this could't be right. There's there's 290 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 5: got to be an explanation for this. And then as 291 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 5: the moments and time kept passing and Molly didn't pop 292 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 5: out of anywhere, you know, that's when we realized her 293 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 5: her peril. She was in a great day feel of peril. 294 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 5: So you know, we became increasingly anxious. I think when 295 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 5: even when we found a dating suit for me, you know, 296 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 5: I think it just kind of just hold on to hope, 297 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 5: like I don't know, maybe they maybe he stripped her 298 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 5: and threw the bathing suit in the woods or or something. 299 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 5: We just want, I want to believe something as terrible 300 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 5: as as her loss isn't isn't going to be what 301 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 5: what the final end of the story is. And for me, 302 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 5: I can remember the day that the state police actually 303 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 5: came up to the house on June ninth, when when 304 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 5: they did find this go because people were coming over 305 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 5: to my mom's house every day. And I had been 306 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 5: living in Western mass at the time and driving out 307 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 5: every morning with my three year old, and it was 308 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 5: about a forty five minute drive, and for a three 309 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 5: year old that has to go potty all the time, 310 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 5: that's like two potty stuff. You know, never never an easy, 311 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 5: easy trip. But we were doing that daily to ensure 312 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 5: that we were we were all together. And I remember 313 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 5: we had just gotten there on June ninth, and there 314 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 5: are people in the driveway and my mam was talking 315 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 5: and in the distance I could see the Districk attorney 316 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 5: and the head of our investigation walking up the driveway 317 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 5: and they were wearing suits, and it was, you know, 318 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 5: the beginning of June, and I was thinking, jeez, it's 319 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 5: a real really hot day to be wearing a full 320 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 5: suit like that. And then I I just I just knew. 321 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 5: I thought, I just knew, like, this is it, this 322 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 5: is this is the final they're going to tell us. Now. 323 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: You know what's interesting ever that you're saying. And I 324 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: paid to keep projecting, but what you're saying is striking so. 325 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 6: Many chords in me. You just when you saw those 326 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 6: guys in the suits you knew, and I'm just. 327 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 5: I really, I just I just really wanted to run away, 328 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 5: to be honest with you, I didn't even want to 329 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 5: hear what they were going to going to say. I 330 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 5: just thought if I could run, I would be able 331 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 5: to outrun the truth or the reality or you know. 332 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 5: It just felt like everything's going to change now, our 333 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 5: whole life everything. And I was sure, God, Heather, we'd 334 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 5: ever feel safe again. 335 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 6: That you your mind tries to. 336 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: Get around it or bend with it, because I remember 337 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 2: I would wake up in the mornings and I would 338 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: think that Keith was still alive and this had been some. 339 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 6: Elaborate ruse, and I would dream. 340 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,719 Speaker 2: I would dream and this is so I don't know 341 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: exactly what this means, because I never saw a shrink 342 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: about it. 343 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 6: Probably should. 344 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: I would dream that Keith wanted to get out of 345 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: the engagement, and so he had faked the whole thing, 346 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: because you know, this close. 347 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 6: To us getting married, he had decided that. In my dream, 348 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 6: and I'd wake up and I go, oh. 349 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: Thank god, he's alive, and it's just you know, and 350 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: then I'd wait, wait a minute. 351 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 5: I would want it. Oh, I would have dreams that 352 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 5: Molly was still alive, but she would be you know, 353 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 5: she would have gone off with her friends to Florida, 354 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 5: or she went on you know, she went on a 355 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 5: trip and she was just back and she was going 356 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 5: to see her old boyfriend, and I would be I 357 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 5: remember in the dreams feeling like, no, you can't go. 358 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 5: I desperately want to be with you and hang out 359 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 5: with you. And generally that's not how twenty year olds 360 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 5: feel about their teenage sisters. So I've always sort of 361 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 5: thought about those dreams later now in life and thought, jeez, 362 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 5: you know, maybe Molly was trying to tell me in 363 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 5: some capacity that she was okay, you know, and it 364 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 5: was just me feeling this desperate feeling. 365 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: Listen to this to the man who took Molly dish. 366 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 7: Does June twenty seventh, two thousand mean anything to you. 367 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 7: I remember it as a warm summer day. We left home, 368 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 7: we picked up the police radio, and then we arrived 369 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 7: at the pond. 370 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 4: The sand truck was there. 371 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 7: We watched, mesmerized like little children, as the sand fell 372 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 7: gently to the ground. 373 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 4: Molly and Mom for the last time. 374 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 7: Mollie said goodbye, I love you, and man off it 375 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 7: was her eighth day on her new job as a lifeguard. 376 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 7: That was the last time I saw or heard from 377 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 7: my Molly. I have held those words wrapped around my 378 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 7: heart to sustain it from breaking into a million broken pieces. 379 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 4: Her remains were found on a central Massachusetts mountain side 380 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 4: three years later. 381 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: The case remains unsolved. 382 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 8: It's an open investigation. We're constantly getting tips and leads 383 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 8: on it. We're moving forward and going through the beginning 384 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 8: to now. We started talking to some of the original investigators, 385 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 8: just bring them in as a group, and we also 386 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 8: have a disc attorney assigned to the case. So they 387 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 8: came in and we just started going over there observations 388 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 8: that notes their feelings, you know, things like that Maggie 389 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 8: Bush could never imagine a moment that she'd never see 390 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 8: her daughter Molly ever. 391 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 7: Again, Molly could be very shy and she could be 392 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 7: very silly. There was two sides of her in her 393 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 7: comfort zone. She was silly like Lucy, I mean, goofy silly. 394 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 5: We were just getting our adult relationship when Molly disappeared, 395 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 5: So I often wonder what that would have been like 396 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 5: to have known. Horizon Adults. 397 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 398 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: With me is Maggie Bish. This is Molly Bish's mother. 399 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: Molly goes missing one warm June morning, two thousand, the 400 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: search still on for Molly's killer. And I'm trying to 401 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: imagine your v you know, you pull up and you 402 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: at a distance see all these guys in suits and 403 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: your driveway, and. 404 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 6: I'm trying to imagine what Maggie that. 405 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 2: What that was when press A van pulls up and 406 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 2: they run up. What do they have a picture of 407 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: her swimsuit? 408 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 4: Maggie, Well, you know what, I guess this, Like I said, 409 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 4: this person didn't believe it. So they had six TV's 410 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 4: going on. There were six TV's in that van, and 411 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 4: there was every vantage point that they could take the picture. 412 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 4: And I mean it truly was a small piece of 413 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 4: bathing suit that was peeking out from underneath twigs and 414 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 4: old leaves, and it was just taking in different. 415 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: Views. 416 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 4: And I mean it didn't take me the second to 417 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 4: gather that information from you know, meno seconds and I 418 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 4: ran up the stairs because I knew. I closed my 419 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 4: door in my room and I began to howl. I 420 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 4: was on my knees and you know, John was down 421 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 4: there talking and I just like could this the I 422 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 4: mean because again we had just a missing Children's day 423 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 4: for the folks in Massachusetts. 424 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 2: It was a. 425 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 4: Beautiful day of great We were coming home feeling at 426 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 4: least we're doing something positive, and you know, we always 427 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 4: will miss Molly. That's to see. This was it was 428 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 4: too close to knowing that this was not good. 429 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: Molly goes missing one warm June morning, two thousand to 430 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: search still on for Molly's killer. We are now hearing 431 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 2: rumblings that DNA de oxarivo y clay acid tests are 432 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: stirring little seeds of hope. What do you know about 433 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: a potential DNA test you want to. 434 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 4: Talk out of? 435 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, I have been sort of headlining the investigative 436 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 5: efforts with for my family. But about a year ago 437 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 5: they took and every so often they'll take pieces of 438 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 5: evidence and submit them for DNA testing and they'll try 439 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 5: to compare it when they have a U. A few 440 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 5: years ago they had a really quote unquote good person 441 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 5: of interest down in Florida and they you know, had 442 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 5: taken some DNA from there and submitted it and then 443 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 5: nothing was sort of a hit. So as so, I 444 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 5: guess our hope sort of lies in the science and 445 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: technology that you know, sort of helping investigators solve these 446 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 5: older cases. And so they took twenty four pieces of 447 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 5: evidence to retest, and so they don't exactly tell us 448 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 5: what they took or where it came from, but we 449 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 5: know it was twenty four pieces of evidence, and they 450 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 5: resubmitted them for further testing. You know, as they, like 451 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 5: I said, that the technology increases in the touch DNA 452 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 5: becomes available, they will continuously keep keep resubmitting for particularly 453 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 5: these older cases, because they've had they've been able to, 454 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 5: you know, solve cases based on the dnaming. 455 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 6: See the seeds of hope, aren't that DNA samples have. 456 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 2: Been taken and they're being re examined with new techniques 457 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: that were not possible at that time. 458 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 6: I mean that is a huge, big. 459 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 2: Deal because I recall trying rape cases, murder cases, you 460 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: name it, with no DNA. 461 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'd have. 462 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: I'd have blood, a blood sample, and I could say, well, 463 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: the suspect is a positive and the perpetrator was a positive. 464 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: That was it. 465 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 6: Or maybe a hair and I could. 466 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: Say the rapist or the killer is a Caucasian male. 467 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: With X hair. 468 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 6: I mean, that was it? Ei there was no. 469 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: Nuclear or mitochondrial touch nothing. So this is a major 470 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: development that they are doing this. I want to ask 471 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: you about this deep ground sonar. 472 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: Test that's being done. 473 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 5: What do we know about that? 474 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, so we. 475 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 5: You know, over the years, we've you know, because law 476 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 5: enforcement is uh, you know, they sort of work on 477 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 5: their own and and you know, they don't necessarily report 478 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 5: to victim family if that can become very frustrating for 479 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 5: victim families. And because we, you know, felt very strongly 480 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 5: that we wanted this to be solved. We wanted our 481 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 5: community to feel safe. We wanted our friends kids to 482 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 5: feel safe. You know, we've all grown up here where 483 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 5: you know, and some capacities, family to each other. 484 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: What do you think they hope to find heather with 485 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: the ground penetrating radar and it's on a private property 486 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: in an undisclosed location. 487 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: In Worcester County? 488 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 6: What could that mean? 489 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: What was that where the swimsuit was found mag in 490 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: Worcester County? 491 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 5: No, No, it was where we received it. So I'm 492 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 5: just trying to put the backstory here. We some friends 493 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 5: in the area, a person who has a PhD in criminology, 494 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 5: and I sort of formed this sort of investigated team. 495 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 5: It kind of came off to our fundraisers and things 496 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 5: like that. We developed this little team. This little team 497 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 5: developed these campaigns. So one year we did billboards, another 498 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 5: year we did ads. Each time we do one, we 499 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 5: do a tip campaign. And so we had a just 500 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 5: one Piece campaign because the state police had always said 501 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 5: we're one piece away from solving this crime. During our 502 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 5: just one Piece campaign, we received a number of tips 503 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 5: on a particular person who stayed at this particular campground 504 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 5: in Worcester County. This next year, we had another campaign 505 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 5: and we called it just one Car because we were 506 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 5: trying to identify this light car. Was it tied to 507 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 5: this person? That was the location? 508 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: The location right question, So let me understand the location 509 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: is the campground where a potential suspect stayed. 510 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 6: Okay, got it? 511 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: And what do you think, Maggie, they are looking for 512 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: with the deep ground search. 513 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 4: Well, I understand that it has the potential to be 514 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 4: able to recognize metal or rock or anything, and especially 515 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 4: if there was something of some size. You know, bearing 516 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 4: got cars quite big, you know, how deep could they go? 517 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 4: So this radar has a way to analyze how the 518 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 4: depths and how significant that you know, if it's metal 519 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: or something that you know, I guess that's what they do. 520 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 4: They do some kind of a computation and it termins. 521 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 4: So from what we understand, there were three places that 522 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 4: they felt some interest. Now you know, again they have 523 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 4: to hand that information over to the state police, and 524 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 4: the state police have to, you know, decide if it's 525 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: worth digging or going into. Now again, it could be 526 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 4: it's like this whole story again. You always get hopeful, 527 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 4: but you have to kind of protect yourself from disappointment. 528 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 4: You've got to protect you know, you don't really you 529 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 4: want it, but you're scared. The emotional battle within is 530 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 4: unbelievable because you've been doing this so long now that 531 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 4: you want it, but we don't get to choose any 532 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 4: of it, you know. 533 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: So now it's true, Maggie that other girls similar in 534 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: age to Mollie also we're kidnapped. 535 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 4: Yes, we have a girl that was ten years old, 536 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 4: a little little bit younger in Sturbridge, which is a 537 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 4: twenty minute a distance from our home, and she was 538 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 4: taken before Mollie, maybe seven years. There had been some cases, 539 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 4: maybe even a little older, that were in northern Michigan 540 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 4: and Massachusetts near the New York border, and there was 541 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 4: a gentleman that they thought was a serial killer up 542 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 4: there that might have been involved. I mean, you know, 543 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 4: it's so sad. I mean, you hear these horrible cases, 544 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 4: but you don't understand. I mean, certainly I wasn't one 545 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 4: that you know, really understood any of this. You know, now, 546 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 4: I know all these families who have struggled and who 547 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 4: keeps struggling, you know, to find their loved ones on 548 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 4: how they deal with it, and it is very, very hard. 549 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 4: So you know, again there possibly could be serial killer 550 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 4: out there. And that's what worried us because this, to me, Nancy, 551 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 4: how does a normal person do something this horrific? And 552 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 4: that is so It's like when you throw the rock 553 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 4: into the river and the ripples. It has caused so 554 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 4: much pain to Molly's friends, our family out into the community, 555 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 4: the fear that he's somewhere. 556 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 3: If you have information on the abduction and murder of 557 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 3: Molly Bisch, contact the DA's office at five O eight 558 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: four five three seven five seven five one day. 559 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: This case will be solved. Nancy Gray signing off, good 560 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: bye friend,