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Speaker 2: Way to go.

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Speaker 3: You made it to the middle of the week and

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Speaker 3: we'll get to Carry Roads in a second. He's just

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Speaker 3: taking victory laps around this day as year at Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio. How many do you want to take in

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Speaker 3: calling that John Harbaugh would be out as the Baltimore

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Speaker 4: You know what, Nan, I'm a humble guy. Yeah, you are, definitely,

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Speaker 4: and i Am not going to take any praise. I'm

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Speaker 4: just gonna let the conversation go where it may.

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Speaker 2: Is this Carry Rhodes? We sure? Are we sure? This

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Speaker 2: is carry? You didn't you did?

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Speaker 3: You've been calling this for a while. Yeah, that John

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Speaker 3: Harball would not return as the Ravens head coach. Carry

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Speaker 3: and our team up on Sundays on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 3: in our end Zone Radio show, bringing you all the

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Speaker 3: action from the late window of the NFL schedule. We

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Speaker 3: sign off right before Sunday night football kicks off, and

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Speaker 3: as we signed off on Sunday, I gave him three

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Speaker 3: options on who would be back next year. It was

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh. And when I

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Speaker 3: asked about John Harbaugh, you said that he would not

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Speaker 3: be back. Was this your gut? Was this intel? What

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh would ultimately be John Harbaugh's last with the Ravens.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those things where it's a gut felling

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Speaker 4: their own agendas. People are trying to reach certain milestones.

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Speaker 4: You have coaches that are trying to coach for their jobs.

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Speaker 4: You have other coaches that are seeking jobs. You have

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Speaker 4: all these things that are happening in a locker room.

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Speaker 4: Right where are you supposed to be on one accord?

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Speaker 4: So when that all too common, praise comes out like

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Speaker 4: we're all in together. Yeah, we're all in together when

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Speaker 4: don't You don't hear you hear the coach openly praising

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Speaker 4: you know it's just certain factors and certain like talking

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Speaker 4: This year hasn't been that at all. I mean from

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Speaker 4: the start of the season, the expectations were high. And

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Speaker 4: when the expectations are high, and especially for a coach

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Speaker 4: meet those expectations, there are ramifications. Now if there's not

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Speaker 4: The GM is set as many players as he's brought in,

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Speaker 3: And I want to get to that because it felt

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Speaker 3: Throughout the season where you talked about the leaks that

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Speaker 3: then there was the Mike Preston article that was criticizing Lamar.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and that's the tail tale sign man. When the cracks,

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Speaker 4: Is Horrball Like those things would still kind of come out,

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Speaker 3: I just was surprised that this was it. And so

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the angle that it's solely Lamar

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Speaker 4: main reason he's gone now. I say that because, yes,

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Speaker 4: he is the franchise player. We've seen quarterbacks have that

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Speaker 4: You made a great point, like it is it is

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Speaker 4: still believe in that can get the job done, where

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Speaker 4: but as of that moment hasn't gotten back there yet, right,

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Speaker 4: and had ample opportunities to get back there. Where in

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Speaker 4: seen plenty emphasis and plenty instances where you know it

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Speaker 4: wasn't Lamar's fault. Now, he's been at fault at times

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Speaker 4: So you have that evidence. In the last couple of

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Speaker 4: remove that part of the you know, the big equation

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Speaker 4: here right, Like, he hasn't come up short in those moments.

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Speaker 4: So now if we put him with the right person,

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Speaker 4: things matter, the small details matter. For us to win,

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Speaker 4: it has to come from the head coach. If the

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Speaker 3: Is it appealing because of Lamar? Or is it appealing

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Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday to you, kind of happy Birthdays and Lamar

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Speaker 5: St Dan I'll take it from here. I'll tell you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of things going on right now, right,

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Speaker 5: A lot of things going on, a lot of things

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Speaker 5: going on now. Today's installment of The Midway includes birthdays

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Speaker 5: now Lamar Jackson's birthdays today and for his birthday, he

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Speaker 5: guys details of tiger Woods fiftieth and Dan Byer most

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Speaker 3: Well, and you know the Breakers in West Palm Beach, Florida.

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Speaker 3: I was invited, I was invited. This is this is quite.

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Speaker 3: I hate it. I cannot stand it. So and especially

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00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 3: for a birthday when you're turning fifty for Tiger and

436
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 3: Red and what red is meant.

437
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 2: For Sunday Red, the Sunday Red yeacific Sunday Red well and.

438
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 3: His company is now Sunday Red. Like I understand the

439
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 3: red portion of it. I have no problems doing that

440
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 3: because you can be creative in how you want to.

441
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting that it's John bon Jovi

442
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 3: and not like bon Jovi, like he didn't get sam Bora.

443
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 3: I know him and bon Jovi and sam boro were

444
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 3: not on the same page, but he just wants John

445
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 3: bon Jovi and doesn't care who the backing band is is.

446
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 3: I thought that that was interesting, But ultimately I think

447
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 3: it's the title sponsor that just has me. I mean,

448
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 3: I've got a birthday in two weeks. It is presented

449
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 3: by no one, but it does make me think of

450
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 3: when you have a when you have a December birthday

451
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 3: or a January birthday, what you don't realize is is

452
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 3: when you live in a colder portion of the country,

453
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: which Florida is not, you are very limited. So growing up,

454
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 3: I was always my town was about nine thousand, ninety

455
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 3: five hundred people. We had a bowling alley. There were

456
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 3: about seven bowling parties a year that you would go

457
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 3: to at any point between October and March, because it

458
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: really was the only Yes, Really, I honestly had a

459
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 3: flashback to birthday cakes, whether it be mine, whether it

460
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: be someone else's. You load the kids in the car,

461
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 3: maybe another parent takes another group of kids. You go

462
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 3: to the bowling alley because it's eight degrees outside, and

463
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: that's how you would spend your day. So instead of

464
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 3: having John bon Jovi or everybody wearing red, when I

465
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: was a kid, we would row up or growing up,

466
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 3: we would go to a bowling alley because it was

467
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 3: indoors and really one of the only activities that you

468
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: could actually do.

469
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds like my childhood too, Dan. My my

470
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 4: town was small and same thing like. There was always

471
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 4: like instead of the bowling alley, it would probably be

472
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 4: like a little this little pizza joint that was around

473
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: the corner from our house, and all the kids would

474
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 4: just kind of go there by default for their birthday,

475
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 4: arcade games, all that.

476
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, all that stuff was there.

477
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of those spots, and it was I

478
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 4: mean as a kid, you're like, man, this is the

479
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 4: best thing ever. And you get older and you're like,

480
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 4: wait a minute, I want to go to Italy and

481
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 4: I want my friends to come there. So when you

482
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 4: start having those type of I guess that kind of

483
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 4: pizza disruptor, it's kind of hard to go back and

484
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 4: enjoy the pizza party.

485
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: As much I love the pizza party. We never had

486
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: laser tag at our pizza place. No, you did have

487
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 3: a pizza We had a pizza Hut.

488
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 2: Maybe that's more millennial. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I

489
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 2: think that became more of a thing.

490
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 6: But that pizza was always like rubber was good though,

491
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 6: good for a kid who doesn't have a good palace.

492
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 3: The pizza hut, the pizza that we had as a kid,

493
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: to me was delicious. Oh yeah, magnificence walking in because

494
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: it would put you at a long table and then

495
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 3: all the gifts were at the end of the table.

496
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: There was nothing better than that.

497
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 7: That pan pizza when it came out of the oven

498
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 7: would scald the roof of your mouth.

499
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: But it was the best thing. Yes, it was worth it, right,

500
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: totally worth it.

501
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 4: But you guys remember that like actually going to the

502
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 4: pizza huts and sitting down and having like a night out.

503
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: That was so fun. Though, Yes, my generation had what

504
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: was it?

505
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 7: The what was the reading thing? The reading club they

506
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 7: had for I I don't remember it at all, but

507
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 7: like my elementary had an element like a reading club.

508
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 7: Book it, book it, Yes, and if you read enough books,

509
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 7: you got a free personal pizza and that was always

510
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 7: a chance to go out to the lunch buffet at pizza.

511
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: I thought. True story.

512
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 3: When I first accomplished book it for the month, I

513
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 3: thought I got.

514
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: A large Oh.

515
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: Completely, I read five pages for this like what are you?

516
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Why are you kidding me?

517
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: Like I thought, like I thought, feed the whole family,

518
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: like guess what I'll share? That's what Dad and night's

519
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: dinners on me? And it was smaller than a catcher's

520
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 3: mitt like I was. So I was so ticked off

521
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: because not only was the pizza I'm big enough. I

522
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: thought it was such a scam. I thought like this

523
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: is this is you're smarter for it. Now you're a

524
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: better man for I remember one book I read during

525
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: book it Damn with the Giver, and Dan was in

526
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: the back yard and he put a little trash can

527
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: outside and burned all the book of things and put it.

528
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: In the middle book.

529
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 7: It was like fourth grade, fifth grade stuff, Like none

530
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 7: of that stuff is not even the Giver is like

531
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 7: in that reading category.

532
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 3: After I saw that, I had my new club. It

533
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 3: was called fet No I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm just kidding.

534
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: But book it was a scam. It was a scam everybody.

535
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: Then if everybody in your class reached their reading goal,

536
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: they'd get a pizza party. That was impossible, Like you

537
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: knew that there were some kids who were just never

538
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 3: going to read the books, just never going to happen.

539
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: I think they gave out about four pizza parties in

540
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: its entire time because he knew there was just someone

541
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: who was just like, yeah, I.

542
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: Didn't read it. Steven wanted reading that book. No, not

543
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: at all. Can't have a pizza party without Steve here, exactly,

544
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: can't do it.

545
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 5: Jason Sam, I remember my sixteenth birthday, and this will

546
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 5: date me, so my sixteenth birthday happens. You know, you

547
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 5: turn sixteen, a lot of cool things happen. And my

548
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 5: birthday's on the sixteenth of October always fallows around the

549
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 5: World Series. Now, on October fifteenth, nineteen eighty eight, I

550
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 5: turned sixteen and I had a party. And that was

551
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 5: also the night that Kurt Gibson hit the most memorable

552
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 5: home run in World Series history for my team Wonderful.

553
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 5: I'll never not think of that moment associated with my birthday.

554
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 5: And there was a story that I'm going to tell

555
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 5: for the first time. So my mother, God bless her.

556
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 5: She was always thoughtful and trying to think of everything.

557
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 5: She put my Dodger's pennant above the TV. So there

558
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 5: was a bunch of us buddies watching TV Dodger's pennant

559
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 5: above the TV. Just a great touch, right Dodger theme party.

560
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 5: And every time something went right in that ninth inning,

561
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 5: whether it be Mike Davis drawing a walk from Eckersley,

562
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 5: the pennant would drop. It would just drop, and we

563
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 5: would put it back up, and then the pennant drops

564
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 5: right before Kurt Gibson's home run.

565
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: Again.

566
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 5: I know I'm triggering something with Sam. Very superstitious but

567
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 5: I will never forget the pennant, the birthday my mother

568
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 5: and all that stuff. It's a great memory. It's got

569
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 5: to be like one of the best days of your life. Yeah,

570
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 5: it's absolutely Yeah.

571
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 3: You always talk about like the birth of you know,

572
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: child or marriage or whatever the case is, but that

573
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: would be up there, Chris.

574
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to talk about the last birthday I

575
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 7: just had. So first off, on my birthday September twenty first,

576
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 7: so I have the earth, wind and fire birthday, right,

577
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 7: so get to celebrate that. I always like to pretend

578
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 7: everyone posting the September videos on TikTok or Twitter, it's

579
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 7: all for me. That's all because of me. Yeah, right there.

580
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 7: But this last one, I took about a week away

581
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 7: from work here and one of the things I had

582
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 7: always wanted to do is there is an island off

583
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 7: Los Angeles called Catalina Islands. And yes, I know, you

584
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 7: can play the Lina wine mixer drops all you want.

585
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 7: It's a fun little island out there. My plan to

586
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 7: go out there was to see the bison. There is

587
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 7: a bison herd that's been out there since the nineteen twenties.

588
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 7: They were put out there for a Western movie that

589
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 7: was shot on the island and just left out there,

590
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 7: and this bison herd has been out there for over

591
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 7: one hundred years and now finally they're slowly dying off.

592
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 7: I think most of them are infertile by now. So

593
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 7: I wanted to go see the buffalo out on a

594
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 7: trop out on a Pacific island. It was the coolest thing,

595
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 7: and I got there. It rained the night before. I

596
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 7: talked to the woman as we were boarding up on

597
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 7: this like rigged up jeep to go out there, and

598
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 7: it's like, yeah, don't get your hopes up. The herd

599
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 7: hasn't been seen in three weeks, not only been heard

600
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 7: from Yeah, not only not only We got out in

601
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 7: the turn and it's the back of Catalina's very hilly

602
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 7: and very kind of bad landy. But out of the

603
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 7: first turn, not only did I see a bison, it

604
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 7: was thirty feet away from me, mulching on on on grass.

605
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 7: And that was one of three different bison individually I saw.

606
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 7: And then we saw the whole herd from the from

607
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 7: there's like a hill where they've got an airport out there,

608
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 7: and we saw the whole herd from up there as well.

609
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 7: So I saw all these majestic creatures. It was awesome.

610
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 7: It was breathtaking. And then I went back to Avalon

611
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 7: and I got drunk watching football that same day.

612
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: See, you could do that because you're in southern California.

613
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: You could also do that because it's September. Harry's got

614
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: a summer birthday, yep. So you can do a lot

615
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: of stuff outside. Jason's in the fall. Sam's not too

616
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: far after Jason a couple of days, agater, but you

617
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: could do fall like these. I don't know what it

618
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: was like in Iowa, but there's still time to do

619
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: outside stuff.

620
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: October in Iowa's is mixed bag.

621
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 6: It could be cold, it could be seventy degrees in

622
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 6: sunny with no leaves on the trees. But my mom

623
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 6: grew up on a farm in eastern Iowa, and in

624
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 6: the nineties when my grandfather retired as a farmer, they

625
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 6: bought the property from my grandparents, just like the five

626
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 6: acres where the house and the barns are. So I

627
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 6: would have a lot of friends out there and stuff.

628
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 6: And I think at least two or three times I

629
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 6: had a birthday out there, probably my twelfth birthday, I'd say,

630
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 6: like nineteen ninety eight ish, I had maybe six six

631
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 6: five or six friends, maybe select friends.

632
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: I was about to say something else. I'm just gonna

633
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: avoid that.

634
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 6: I had a very popular term my elite group of friends,

635
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 6: my inner circle, would come out and we would do

636
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 6: like paintball guns. We would do pellet guns, show off fireworks. Yeah,

637
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 6: we had a couple. We had a go cart and

638
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 6: we borrowed my neighbor's go carts, so we like had

639
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 6: paintball guns on the go carts. Oh, my grandma had

640
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 6: a golf cart. She lived right next door. So it

641
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 6: was just like it was like what was it in

642
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 6: Pinocchio Those kids go to like that, like that Pleasure Island,

643
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 6: Pleasure Island, Fantasy Land, and there's like just they're all

644
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 6: smoking cigars, like drinking you know, beer and stuff and

645
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 6: all like eight year old boys and and this was

646
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 6: like our version of that, Like, you know, we were

647
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 6: blowing stuff up, we were shooting pellet guns, shooting paintball guns.

648
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: You know.

649
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 6: It was And then we went to like uh Jim's

650
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 6: rib Haven in the in Moline in the Quad Cities

651
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 6: and just it was just the best and sleepover all

652
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 6: that stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I love a birthday at Jim's rib Haven.

654
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Speaker 3: That sounds like the place to be. We had a

655
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: we had a pizza hut that was bit basically one

656
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: of the only spots that you could sit down that

657
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: kids would want to in my hometown.

658
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: What was the pizza spot you were at? I can't think.

659
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Speaker 7: No, no, not in Alabama, Inkies for us in Toledo,

660
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 7: in Great Inkys, great name.

661
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Speaker 5: What did they do on the East coast or in

662
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 5: cold weather U States? When the phenomenon happened right around

663
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Speaker 5: the time my kid was like two or three, it

664
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 5: became like a neighborhood competition for who could have the

665
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: best bouncy house you and you It wasn't an option

666
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 5: not to have a bouncy house at the at the

667
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 5: birthday party. I think that's still going now in southern California?

668
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: Is that?

669
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Speaker 2: Does that also happen in the in the colder cities,

670
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: not in the winter obviously in the summer.

671
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: I think that, Yeah, you could have outside and events

672
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: like that where you would do that, but it wouldn't happen.

673
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: It wouldn't have happened around my birthday. But yeah, I

674
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: think it's been commonplace around.

675
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: Has Brody had a bouncy house. No, he is not,

676
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: not yet.

677
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 7: This does remind me of some My grandfather always told

678
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 7: me that he had to He lived in Florida for

679
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 7: a time and one of his birthdays they had to

680
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 7: do it from a shelter because the hurricane was coming through. Oh,

681
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 7: it's like had the cake, had the cake basically in

682
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 7: a save area, away from all the windows, boarding up

683
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 7: at everything.

684
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: Like Jason up to the point too of like of

685
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: is it is it a competition? Is it just what

686
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 3: the kid wants? You know, I liked I liked bowling.

687
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: I liked bowling. I think it was fun. I think

688
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: it was a fun time. So I didn't mind going.

689
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: And it was just it it works out that way,

690
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: like let's get everybody together and go bowling. Our our

691
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: high school at the time had an indoor pool, so

692
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: you could do like a swimming sort of thing. But

693
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: there I know that there were parties like where it

694
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: would be like, hey, the town Wasasa was like the

695
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: big city bias, Like there was an indoor pool at

696
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: a hotel at Watsa.

697
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Speaker 6: We did BA birthdays like that, So you would go

698
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 6: to the indoor pool over Yeah, you'd have cake, you

699
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 6: go to the pool.

700
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Speaker 3: Yeah, some places would even just you could just use

701
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: the pool, like you didn't have to like you would

702
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: have to pay for it, yeah, but because that would

703
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: be a way that they would get income, Like that

704
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: would be another option.

705
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Speaker 2: But isn't that funny though?

706
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: As kids, these these nominal things, these things that are

707
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 4: kind of frowned upon now where the crown jewels of

708
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: our time and our lives at that time. And so

709
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: you have those moments as kids, and then you become

710
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 4: adults and you become jaded by all of that, and

711
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 4: then you get to a point where you get a

712
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: little bit older and you still have to appreciate that's

713
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: those smaller things again, Like that's the bookend of our

714
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 4: lives and how those things happen for us.

715
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Speaker 2: It's just so crazy.

716
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 4: And I think that's kind of like the metaphor for life, right,

717
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: Like we have these highs and lows, and we have

718
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: these expectations of how great things are supposed to be

719
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: all the time. But if you really scale back and

720
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Speaker 4: go back to the simpler times and the simple things,

721
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: those are things we appreciate the most. And so that's

722
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Speaker 4: what I love about this this segment and hearing everybody's

723
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Speaker 4: story about the good times they had in those moments.

724
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Speaker 3: I think I've told it. I know I've told this

725
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: story on the air. I don't know if i've told

726
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: it with you guys before. When I am one of

727
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: the few people that does make a big deal about

728
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: my own birthday, I think ninety eight percent of grown

729
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: adults don't make a big deal out of theirs. Yeah,

730
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: but I do. And there half birthday guy too. Yeah, yeah,

731
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: that's yeah, that's kind of a joke. It's kind of

732
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: a running joke. But yeah, some people's July sixteenth the

733
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: birth thing a right. January sixteenth is my birthday. One

734
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: of the reasons I truly do make a big deal

735
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: out of it. I was driving, I was riding the

736
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: school because it wasn't driving. Mom made the radio on.

737
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: You dropped my sister off at Junior High and we're

738
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: listening to the radio on my birthday, and the radio

739
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: host goes, guess what today is? It's National Nothing Day. No,

740
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: because nothing important happened on this day. It's my birthday.

741
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: I'm like in first grade. Okay, imagine that. Seriously, I'm

742
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: just gonna search look at what National Nothing Day is.

743
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: So it's January sixteenth. Yes, it's my birthday, and so

744
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: just completely gutted by Maybe that's my revenge. Maybe that's

745
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: why I got into radio to get back at the

746
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: radio host who said this. The only thing to then

747
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: make up for it was the Gulf War ended up

748
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: starting on my birthday a couple of years after that.

749
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: Then like that was then it's like, well see, you know,

750
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: now there is something.

751
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: It's a war.

752
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: But at least something happened on my birthday. Aside from wow,

753
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: yeah that was that. That one scarred me. I still

754
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: remember and I type it in and show you.

755
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: Dan, something great has happened on January sixteenth. You know

756
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 4: what it is?

757
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: That it's Dan Bayer's.

758
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 8: Birthday, all right, and and al and shaw Day, and

759
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 8: Ronnie millsap and the late a lot and many more.

760
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: Yes, and a former Baywatch star David Chokichi.

761
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Speaker 6: David Chokichi, I haven't heard that name in a long time.

762
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 6: It's a great name, all right. That's the Midway, the Midway,

763
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 6: all right. A good birthday celebration. By the way, that

764
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 6: birthday that I told you about, what they called the

765
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 6: National Nothing Day. My birthday was presented by Coca Cola

766
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 6: that day. No, it wasn't.

767
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: The Tiger Woods title sponsor is just absurd.

768
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769
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772
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: Dan Byer. Not only can you hear carry on myself now,

773
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,879
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774
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 3: on Fox Sports Radio. Wild Card coming up this weekend,

775
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 3: so we smack dab in the during our show, we'll

776
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: get a majority of our show will be about forty

777
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Speaker 3: nine Ers Eagles joining us now to talk NBA our

778
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider, FS one NBA analyst that

779
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,360
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780
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,160
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781
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 3: Rick Buker joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Rick,

782
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: how are you?

783
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 9: I am well? How are you?

784
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 3: I'm doing great? It sounds like the Lakers are doing great.

785
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: I mean they're third in the West. Win last night,

786
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 3: Lebron and Lucas celebrating on the court. Lebron afterwards saying

787
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 3: I don't have to Luca doesn't have to do anything

788
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: around me.

789
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: I'm the one that needs to bend around the big superstar.

790
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: Is everything as great as it seems right now for

791
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: the Lakers in.

792
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 10: La La Land, well for now it is.

793
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 9: For now it is sure winning Winning certainly makes everybody

794
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 9: feel good about themselves. The question is going to be,

795
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 9: and we've seen it, when they when they struggle, or

796
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 9: they when they play the better teams and uh and

797
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 9: and they lose a few or their their complete lack

798
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 9: of defense or having so many defensive holes is exposed,

799
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 9: then things get a little rough. I don't know that.

800
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 9: The all of the chatter outside of it, whether it's

801
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 9: Rich Paul or Lebron James himself, all of that raises

802
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 9: some questions in terms of when and when and how

803
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 9: it's going to infiltrate the team uh and and the

804
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 9: dynamics there. But the reality is they're they're not a

805
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 9: good defensive team. They're not going to be a good

806
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 9: defensive team, and uh and they have two guys that

807
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 9: are ball dominant at their best in Lebron and uh

808
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 9: and Luca. If you're winning, everybody's everybody can go along

809
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 9: with it. When you start losing. That's that's when the

810
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 9: questions are raised. So I'll put it this way in

811
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 9: short order, the mellow drama that is the Los Angeles

812
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 9: Lakers this year has just begun and it will have

813
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 9: sequels over the course of the year. It's going to

814
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 9: get very, very interesting because they're not going to continue

815
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 9: to win at the same level once they play the

816
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 9: better teams.

817
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: Rick and then you throw in an Austin Reeves to

818
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: that case as well, who needs the ball as well.

819
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 4: So it's going to be interesting for sure. But I

820
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 4: want to talk about Trey Young a little bit. I mean,

821
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 4: obviously this seems like the wheels have fallen off there

822
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: in Atlanta with him and the organization. Has this been

823
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 4: going on for a while, because obviously Tray's has some

824
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: great moments in Atlanta, but his shortcomings have really been

825
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 4: on display as far as his defense goes and maybe

826
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 4: even his shot selection and what he and how he

827
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: handles the game.

828
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Speaker 2: Can you talk about that and what his future holds

829
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: for Trey Young?

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Speaker 10: Well?

831
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 9: The Eastern getting to the Eastern Conference Finals in twenty

832
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 9: one certainly extended the shelf life and the belief. Along

833
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 9: with Tony Wrestler, the son of the of the owner

834
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 9: being really close with Trey. And so when there were

835
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Speaker 9: guys who got tired of playing with Trey because he

836
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 9: dominates the ball and does not defend, they were like, Okay,

837
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 9: well we just need to get guys who are good

838
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Speaker 9: with that. So that they they moved out the Bugdanovic's

839
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 9: and the andre uh Hunters and and DeAndre Hunters, and

840
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 9: and then they got a new group, the Jalen Johnson's

841
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 9: and the Dyson Daniels. And they're like, well, these guys

842
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 9: are pretty good and they don't really like doing it playing.

843
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 10: So maybe maybe maybe we need to.

844
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Speaker 9: Change something else here. And and so I think that's

845
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 9: that's where they are there, and and I and I

846
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 9: do believe in in part it's also like I look

847
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 9: at the you know, whether it's Zachary Risha say or

848
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 9: or or some of the other pieces they have, like

849
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,240
Speaker 9: there's there's some really good young talent on that team,

850
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 9: but I just don't know as good as Trey is.

851
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 9: And this is this is the real riddle with him.

852
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 9: I mean, when it comes to playing pick and roll,

853
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 9: scoring off the pick and roll, he's as good as

854
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 9: anybody in the league. But he just hasn't evolved in

855
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 9: any other way. And now when you're looking at Okay,

856
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 9: he's coming up for a contract where he's going to

857
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 9: expect the max super Max, something along those lines of like,

858
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 9: is this what we want to invest in? And by

859
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 9: all indications, Atlanta Hawks are saying no, it's not.

860
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Speaker 3: This may be unfair. Rick Buker joining us here on

861
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio to hold this against Trey Young. I've

862
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 3: never been a Tray Young fan. He's Carrier Roads. I'm

863
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: Dan Byer. But I even go back Rick to his

864
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: days at Oklahoma, like I remember because he took college

865
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 3: basketball by storm in the first part of the only

866
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: season he was in Norman. But there is a game

867
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: where he probably took thirty shots for the Sooners and

868
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: he came down the stretch and obviously he got double

869
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: teamed and the clock's winding down, end of the game,

870
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: and he passes to a guy and guys like, well,

871
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: I haven't shot all game because you've been shooting all

872
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: the time. Misses the shot and then there's like, oh man,

873
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: why did you miss the shot?

874
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: And it's never changed.

875
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: It feels like with that with Trey Young, like it's

876
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: always just been his way. Or the highway. So I

877
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: find it interesting now. I think you laid it out

878
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: perfectly of why the timing is now, But it just

879
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: seems like it's always been about Tray Young more than

880
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: anything else.

881
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, and you know, we can be sort of deceived

882
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 9: because the numbers can look good, including the assists that

883
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 9: can look good. There's been plenty of guys who have

884
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 9: averaged a high number of assists, and yet it's deceptive.

885
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 9: You think, oh, well, he's an unselfish guy, he's setting

886
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 9: other guys up. But the reality is it's either it's

887
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 9: when you're when those assists are happening. And are there

888
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 9: are there any hockey assists in there? Is it?

889
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: Is it?

890
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 9: I'm giving the ball up to allow other guys to

891
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 9: make plays. And if you have a team that's capable

892
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 9: of being a making a deep run in the playoffs,

893
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 9: you're gonna have multiple guys who can do something with

894
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 9: the ball and and and if they don't get the

895
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 9: opportunity to do that and the team is struggling, at

896
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 9: some point, they're gonna go, hey, we could could could

897
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 9: we share the ball a little bit, or you know,

898
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 9: send me someplace else? And I will say Ron Kruger

899
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 9: deserves a tremendous amount of respect because I believe it's

900
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 9: Trey Young and I believe he also had Austin Reeves

901
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 9: like those guys in their ability to make the most

902
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 9: out of their physical limitations and manipulate the game through

903
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 9: the pick and roll. Ron Kruger did a tremendous job

904
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 9: of teaching both of those guys. But when we talk

905
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 9: about like franchise players and dominating the ball, that only

906
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 9: goes so far.

907
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 4: Well records funny because the other guy who's always going

908
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 4: to be linked to him has that same issue, but nobody.

909
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I.

910
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 4: Guess he did get traded too, so I guess all's

911
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 4: fair at the end of the day, between Luke and Trey, right,

912
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 4: they both got traded for each other, and they both

913
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 4: kind of played the game similarly. But you know, Luca's obviously,

914
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 4: you know, in a in a different situation, in a

915
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 4: better situation now in LA. But I want to ask

916
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: you one more question about the OKC thunder And obviously,

917
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: you know, the beginning of the season was on they

918
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 4: were on the record record setting pace, and obviously people

919
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 4: started talking about being you know, the best team ever

920
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 4: and having the best record ever. What's happened, what's happened

921
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 4: in Oka See. I know Jalen Williams has come back,

922
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: and maybe that's thrown off a little bit of their chemistry.

923
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that's what it kind of feels like.

924
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 4: But what's your assessment of OKC right now?

925
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 9: It's December January and the level at which they were

926
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 9: playing so much of it was just their defensive energy.

927
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 9: You know, they were suffocating teams, and you know, it's

928
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 9: at some point you just feel like, hey, if we're

929
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 9: going to play for a title, we're gonna play for

930
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 9: another title. We've got to be good to go in

931
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 9: May and June and the and then, and it generally

932
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 9: happens against the lesser teams, which I think is what

933
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 9: we've seen here for the most part. They've been surprising

934
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 9: losses because they've let go of rope against teams that

935
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 9: they thought they at this point they could just go

936
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 9: out and right and and roll over. And so I

937
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 9: think the combination of that that that's the biggest element.

938
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 9: I just the combination of that and the way we

939
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 9: started to talk about them at the start of the season.

940
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 9: You know that the one of the all time greats

941
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 9: and they're gonna take.

942
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 10: You know, they're going eighty and two. Okay, this overreaction,

943
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 10: like what are we doing here? Like you've played in

944
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 10: the league, you know how it goes like maintas I mean, honestly,

945
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 10: it wouldn't make any sense for them to maintain that

946
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 10: kind of intensity at this point in the season, because

947
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 10: winning back to back championships is a grind and it.

948
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 9: Does take uh, you know, the game goes to another

949
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 9: level and you're already getting everybody's best shots because it's

950
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 9: a feather in their cap to uh to knock off

951
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 9: the defending champs. And then I would also say that

952
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 9: I think that that that teams have also taken something

953
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 9: from the San Antonio Spurs and their dominance. There's now

954
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 9: tape there that shows if you can if you can

955
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 9: meet okay, sees physicality, You're like, that's that's where you

956
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 9: need to go. Meet their physicality. Don't be, don't be,

957
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 9: don't take a step back, get the way they come

958
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 9: at you. And then when you're defending them, be honest,

959
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 9: keep them off the line. And so I think the

960
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 9: com I think the other part here is that the

961
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 9: San Antonio Spurs have given everybody the blueprint for making

962
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 9: the game more competitive when they're when they're paying playing

963
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 9: the Thunder, and now the Thunder are going to have

964
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 9: to adjust. They have the talent, they have the coaching,

965
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 9: they have everything to do that, but it may take

966
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 9: a beat for them to respond.

967
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 3: All right, I got one last one for you, because

968
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: they talked about it earlier. This week, Steve Kerr gets

969
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: ejected from the game against the Clippers, his first dejection

970
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 3: in about three or four years. We had the Draymond interaction.

971
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 3: It's final year of his contract, their eighth in the West. Like,

972
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 3: are we starting to see the beginning of the end

973
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: with Steve Kerr and Golden States? I just got the

974
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: sense that this is all building up and that maybe

975
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: that this is this is the end of the line.

976
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: What do you see in Golden State?

977
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 9: He sure looks worn at and and you know, I

978
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 9: just look at Bob Meyer stepping off, and there there're

979
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 9: what people don't know who aren't around the franchise on

980
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 9: a regular basis. I live in the Bay Area, so

981
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 9: I am is that Joe Laka has been a great owner,

982
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 9: no doubt about it. But his attachment to reality when

983
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 9: it comes to the NBA. I think it's loose because

984
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 9: you don't remain a dynasty forever. And with the apron

985
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 9: and reducing not only the money that he wants to

986
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 9: spend on this team, but the ability to continue to

987
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 9: replenish it, there's you're going to fall off. You can't

988
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 9: be a contender forever, no matter you know how Steph

989
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 9: Curry is playing, because it's it's not just one guy,

990
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 9: and so especially a thirty eight about to turn thirty

991
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 9: eight year old six and eighty pounds. So I think

992
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 9: Bob Myers just got to a point where it was like,

993
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 9: the returns are not worth what I have to go

994
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 9: through in terms of what the expectation is and the pressure.

995
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 9: And Steve I think I don't think it's any accident

996
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 9: that he came out and said, hey, look, the dynasty

997
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 9: days are over. Like the idea that we're going to

998
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 9: knock off the San Antonio Spurs or Oklahoma City Thunder,

999
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 9: that we're built to be a championship team right now

1000
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 9: is not realistic. And I just wonder how much of

1001
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 9: that was not just a message to the world at large,

1002
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 9: but to his owner Joe Lacob to say, let's be realistic.

1003
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 9: About where we are and what we have if we're

1004
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 9: if we're making the playoffs, that is still a wild

1005
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 9: success for this team when you look at the roster overall.

1006
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: FSR Insider, Fox Sports One Insider Finding the Scenes with

1007
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: Brendan Haywood, Rick Buker joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.

1008
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: Thanks Rick, Love, talking to you have next week.

1009
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 9: Hi, pleasure guys.