WEBVTT - How Megalodon Worked 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.480 This episode is brought to you by square Space. Start 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.440 building your website today at square space dot com. Ter 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.399 offer code stuff at check out to get ten percent 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:13.600 off square Space. Set your website apart. Welcome to you 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:22.959 Stuff you should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.720 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:29.159 w Chuck Bryant's Jerry, This Joson John, and this is 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:36.520 stuff you should know. Mega Loodon, Burgo Loodon, saxomaphone. Jerry, 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:44.360 How where's yours? Nice? Jerry? Yeah, she's trained, well so, Chuck. Yep, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:53.400 you ever seen Mega Ladon? No, no, you haven't neither 0:00:53.640 --> 0:01:00.280 ye NEI there's any human being because they're extinct, that's right. Um, 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.000 but they are pretty awesome. And when they were alive, 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.280 you would not have wanted to see one anyway mm 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:14.360 hmm well maybe from sure maybe until they learned to walk. Yeah, 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.760 and you would have been like, oh, I regret coming 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:27.240 to the shore today. Um. Caracodon megaladon, Yeah, I think 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.760 I don't know if it's a carcrodon. How's that couch adon? 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:39.240 Let's a carcrodon carchar I likedon right, that's the official name. Uh. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.400 And it was a real thing. It's not made up. Um, No, 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.640 it is not the invention of a cryptozoologist or a 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.080 sci fi writer. No, it was a real thing. It 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.920 was a real thing. And giant, giant shark, I mean 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.520 so giant. It's it's I don't want to overuse the 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.720 word my bobbling, so I'm just gonna say incredible, you remarkable. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:02.400 Should we go and just say the size of a 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.440 school bus? Yeah, I saw size of a greyhound bus. 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.639 It's about the same size. Well, I guess, yeah, one 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:13.480 smells a lot worse than the other. Which one and 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:18.440 the greyhound? The school bus just smells like fear and disappointment, 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.480 and the greyhound bus smells like all that plus days 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.280 and days of body odor and farts and cigarette butts. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.200 Have you ever taken a long bus trip? That's a 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:36.560 one from Arizona to Atlanta. It's it's the worst. Yeah, no, one, No. 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.120 I think I might have talked about this. It didn't 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.240 dawn on me until like day two. I was like, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:46.960 wait a minute, nobody is able to shower. We're all 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:51.519 just getting stinkier. We're all eating garbage food and farting 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.960 into our cloth seats. It was awful. How long did 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.639 the trip take. It feels like it was like three 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:03.200 days because you know, he's stop like every freaking two hours, 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.840 you know, because you got account for you know, however 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.360 many people on there, and it breaks down, didn't break down, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.840 and you just had to stop a lot for breaks, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.519 and we got stopped in Mississippi for a drug dog 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.120 to come on. Oh really, did anybody getting in trouble? No, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.600 they just randomly stopped for the drop drug dog. And 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.160 this German shepherd jumped all over the seats and they 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.000 opened up the baggage underneath and he ran all over 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:31.640 the place. So I guess then he went home and 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.040 took a shower. Yeah, he was like man getting out 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.440 of there. I guess smuggling drugs on a on a 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.720 bus is Actually when I thought about it, was like, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.880 what a great idea, Yeah, because it's apparently under the radar. Yeah, 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.600 and um, everybody else's smell is overpowering the smell of 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.440 the drugs. You'd think they probably were tons of drugs 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.160 on that bus and the dog was just like I 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.920 had ten pounds of cocaine and they didn't smell that 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.520 just kidding, So like you really needed to say just kidding. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.960 You never no kids listen to this, Yeah, probably especially 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:04.760 this one. We want to say hello to all of 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.360 the sixth grade classes that are listening to this right now, 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.720 and we'd also like to say a special hello to 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:16.880 our new sponsor, Greyhound Bus Lines. Leave the driving to them, 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:21.080 so chuckers. Yes, um, where we are talking about the Megaladon, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.400 the biggest shark that ever lived, and it may have 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.600 had from what I can understand, it makes sense too 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.839 if you stop and think about it. It may have 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:34.039 had the um most devastating as how I've seen it 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.159 put bite of any animal that ever lived in the 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.720 history of Earth. Yeah, I would say, I would say 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.240 that's accurate. It was bigger than t rex. T Rex 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.520 is very ferocious, had a very ferocious bite ergo ipso 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:51.440 fact though it was probably um more ferocious as bite 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:56.599 wise than t rex or anything else. Let's talk about 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:01.960 it all right before, like years ago, people were dumb 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.880 and they thought they found these fossils of these humongous 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:12.200 six inch teeth, like a tooth itself. It's like larger 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.480 than a hand, a human hand, like a largish human hand. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.360 So so again to put this in perspective, because everybody 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.320 knows what great white teeth looked like about the size 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.560 of a shot glass. It's a great white tooth. Okay, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.960 so about two inches. Um, these were six so three 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.400 times larger than a great white tooth. And t Rex 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.920 is right in the middle at something. Yeah, t Rex 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.880 is at about four inches. So we're talking a megaladon 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.480 tooth is fifteen centimeters in length, where great white sharks 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.960 is about five centimeters. And that's we're a single tooth. 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.040 I just went tooth, very very large, and I saw 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.560 that they actually go up to seven inches as far 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.239 as what they found. So four years ago people found 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.960 these fossils and they said, oh my god, it's a 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:06.320 petified dinosaur tongue, dragon tongue. Oh even better, Well, I 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:10.320 have dragon, snakes and dinosaurs down in my research. I 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:15.920 saw dragons only I believe in dragons four hundred years ago. Um. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:22.520 And then in sixteen sixty seven, Danish anatomus named Nicholas 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:29.080 Stino said, these aren't tongues, their teeth. Don't be stupid, everybody, Yeah, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:34.000 these are gigantic teeth, and everybody's like, don't be ridiculous. 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.880 They're they're dragon tongues. I'm wearing one around my neck 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.400 as we speak, and I use it in my potions, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.600 along with eye of newt probably, so oh yeah, apparently 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.800 they did use it in medicine. You find something that big, 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.800 it's gotta have great powers short when you grind it 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.240 up and snored it. So they found these teeth over 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.200 the years, and these these fossils, uh, not only just 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.720 the teeth, but something called CenTra c E N t 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:02.200 R A H. And that is the uh it's not vertebrae, 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.600 but it's a part of the spine that doesn't deteriorate, right, 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.159 because here's the problem. A shark skeleton is made up 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:13.040 almost entirely of cartilage, So no matter how big it is, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.200 over time that cartilage is going to break down and 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.800 return to the dust on the bottom of the sea 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.640 floor and you'll never know what was ever there. But 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.440 luckily those teeth in the center are made of harder 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.240 stuff and the teeth actually become fossilized. And there's another 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.920 one of my favorite episodes that just flies under the radar. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.920 Fossil fossils was great, and that's an old one. So 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:38.640 you remember the fossilization processes where the the individual atoms 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:44.240 of this stuff are basically replaced by stone and the 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:48.040 thing literally turns to stone. So anything organic and it 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.320 is replaced by stone and it becomes fossilized in that sense. 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:55.040 So that's why something like a tooth could survive. It 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.920 becomes stone. And apparently the same thing goes with the center. 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:02.560 So taking megalodon teeth and mega look at then CenTra. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:06.480 They started making calculations and measurements and figuring out like, 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.560 oh my god, this thing was enormous. Yeah, and we've 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.920 mentioned the t rex and dinosaurs a couple of times. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.040 They weren't. If you're picturing in your head dinosaurs roaming 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.720 the earth and the megalodon swimming in the ocean fighting 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.880 one another. Yeah, they didn't overlap by about forty five 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.600 million years, so it wasn't even close. Uh. And of 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.000 course humans we haven't been around that long at all 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.440 in the Grand scheme, No Homo sapiens maybe a hundred 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.720 thousand years or so. Yeah, so obviously we were not 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.400 there during the time of the megalodon either. So our 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.640 opening bit about standing on the beach watching them is 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.560 was it was joked it's stanka bs just humor um. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.640 So dinosaurs were around from two hundred million years ago, 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.760 just sixty five million years ago when the big asteroid hit, 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.280 and then Megalodon was from twenty million years ago to 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.360 about two million to one and a half million years ago. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:59.560 It seems like, so yeah, absolutely no overlap whatsoever. And 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.120 I was just helping out a sixth grade class. Just 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.480 so you mentioned before, these scientists were left with quite 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.679 a task. It's not like finding of like a dinosaur 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.000 U dinosaur's bones and saying, well, we can put it together. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:16.560 They didn't have a lot to go on with just 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.199 the center in the teeth. But they're much smarter than 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.679 we are, so they were able to do so. Yes, 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.240 And one of the things that the CenTra actually shows 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.199 two is growth rings. Right, so just like a tree, 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:33.640 sharks actually have a a signature of growth. I guess 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.320 you'd call it like a tree ring on their center 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.600 on these kind of vertebrae like structures. They get one 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.320 every year every season when it changes from I think 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.960 warm to cold, they get a little growth ring. And 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.400 so um, if you're an ichthyologist or a paleontologist or 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:53.560 a paleoich theologist specifically, Yeah, you could look at one 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.280 of these things and be like, oh, well, this this 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.240 megalodon lived to a hundred fifty years old because it's 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:03.320 a hundred and fifty rings. Yeah, and apparently, uh, wide 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.800 light rings means you grew faster as a megalodon and 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.080 narrow dark rings means you grew a little slower. So 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.040 they can look at these growth rates in the Age 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.920 of Death and just understand a little bit more about 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:21.199 the Great journey to extinction. So you too will understand 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.040 a little bit more about the Great Journey to extinction 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:48.200 right after these messages, so check. They found teeth, and 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.560 they found teeth actually all over the world. There's there's 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.920 a lot. It's an amazing amount of stuff that they 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.760 were able to glean from just finding some teeth in 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.480 some CenTra here um. And one of the things that 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.640 they figured out from the teeth is that, wow, we 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:06.240 found teeth all over the world, in Europe, in India 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:11.640 and Japan, in North America, South America, Africa, Australia. Basically 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.280 they've been found around every continent except for Antarctica. And 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.080 I would guess that if you could dig down through 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.520 the ice sheets around Antarctica, you would probably find some 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.880 megalodon teeth, yeah, because it was like very different a 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.440 million years ago down there. As far as right now, Yeah, 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:32.160 you'd like living in South Carolina. Nice coastal beach scene there. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:37.960 Imagine the megalodon swimming around. That's exactly what happened in 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:42.920 two thousand nine. Um, some paleontologists from a a university 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.640 in Florida. I'll just say that they very generous of you. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:51.720 They discovered some uh, some fossils. Uh. And these specifically 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.920 were interesting because they were all little baby megalodons. It 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.640 was a nursery. Yeah. And they discovered the same thing 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.600 off the coast of South Carolina, which if you know 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.960 how big something is when it dies, and you know 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.679 how big it is when it's born, just add them 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.880 together and divide by two and you have a pretty 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.760 good idea of what it's life was like. Uh. And 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:16.000 when they were little babies, they were just twenty long. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.880 Yet that cute. They figured out did you say that 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.360 that nurser was found in Panama for those researchers, Uh, yeah, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:24.800 And then then I think the other one is off 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:29.920 South Carolina. So they figured out from these teeth that Um, 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:34.880 the megalodon infant was as big as the normal size 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.960 great white shark adult, like a pretty big great white. Yeah, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.480 that's like on the larger side. Yeah, that's amazing. Twenty 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:47.800 ft long are the babies. That's like um, baby huey basically, 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:52.640 but as a shark. So this means um, clearly, this 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:57.040 is the apex predator of its time. Um, and it can. Well, 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.520 it probably went everywhere because it could, but because nothing 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.600 threatened it, you could eat. It could eat whatever it 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.880 wanted to. And all things suggest that they had a 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.240 lot of whales, balleen whales. They found teeth marks on 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:14.079 whale bones. They even found teeth stuck in whale fossils. 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:18.520 Oh yeah, pretty exciting. No, what happened there? They were 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.400 in the middle of the meal when they got wiped 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.240 out or they lost a tooth and it went down 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.880 with the whale. Well it said teeth though, like maybe 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:29.480 they just lost it, but maybe it was like me 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.560 and it bit into the chicken bone started dropping teeth. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:39.040 Was that what happened? The chicken bone? The second one, Yeah, 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.120 broke off at the Falcons game. It didn't hurt, right, 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:43.960 You told us about that. It was so weird. I 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.120 was like, well, my tooth just broken half okay, as 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.440 long as didn't as long as it didn't hurt. And 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:50.920 I went and sat back down to my seat and 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.640 was just passed out from the pain that suddenly swarmed. No, 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.520 there was no pain. The only pain was watching the 0:13:55.520 --> 0:14:00.040 falcons this season. Uh so they weighed between fifty a 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:04.360 hundred tons and they could eat up to twenty hundred 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:08.520 pounds of food a day. I love this. I love 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.160 the comparison. I wasn't gonna do it. Okay, we won't 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.280 go ahead. The author said, that's five hundred more pounds 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:22.600 than the average American eats in a year. Just such 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.840 a dumb comparison. But it's also hilarious in every way. 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.600 I think good comparisons are one where it really hits 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.560 home like that doesn't. So the author should have been like, 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:39.000 that's fifty big max. Maybe that would have satisfied me 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:48.040 times fifty Uh terrible. Um did we say, chuck? How big? 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.600 The um? The mouth is based on these reconstructions. No, 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.320 they put you know, how you see the big giant 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.240 shark mouth. Sometimes it's from a real shark, and sometimes 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.600 they just put it together. In this case, they put 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:03.240 it together. Yeah, but the mouthful feature like real megalodon teeth. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.520 But the jaws, the bone jaws or cartlet shaws are 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.040 obviously resin right. But you'll frequently see somebody standing in 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.560 one of these and they're just dwarfed by it. And 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.640 this is pretty accurate. Apparently they had it was reasonable 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.640 for a megalodon to have a seven foot diameter, which 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:24.280 is who knows how many meters to at least in 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.680 diameter the mouth, and so like I saw this one. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.080 I think shark facts or something shark inside or some 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.800 site was basically like, actually, if megalodon were alive today, 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.640 you wouldn't have to worry about it because it would 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.600 be like you eating a cheese it and calling that 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.880 a meal. They wouldn't even bother with you. I would 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.640 not gamble that and swim around it, because even if 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.520 it just opened its mouth, you'd just go right in. Well, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:55.160 we like cheese, it's exactly. Yeah. Uh, and if there's 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.800 a whole box of humans, that megalodon would probably eat 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.120 the whole thing, as a box of humans is called 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:05.800 the school bus. That's right full circle. Oh my gosh, Chuck, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.760 So you talked a little earlier about the bite force. Um, 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.960 this is a good comparison, I think because it does 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:15.600 hit home. Um specialist, specialist. It's a weird thing to 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:23.320 say experts. Experts, she means cardiologists. Yeah, experts and researchers 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.760 say that a megala don's bite force was akin to 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.840 us eating a grape, them eating a whale skull. So 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:33.680 it could chomp through a whale skull the same as 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.360 we could much do a grape, even those of us 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.200 with fewer teeth. Yeah, and again it's not just the 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.760 bite wasn't so bad just because there the teeth are 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.960 so big and the the mouth was had such a 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:51.720 wide diameter. It was designed basically to yeah, to crush, 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:56.880 to disabled, to to disfigure in mame and pillage that 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.680 kind of stuff. That's right. So yeah, it would be 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.440 able to crush the skull very easily, and it did. Um. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.320 As a matter of fact, the podcast art for this 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:11.840 episode has a megaladon eating a whale Like it's nothing. Man, 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:17.119 it's an artist's rendering. It's not a underwater photograph. But 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.680 it's pretty cool. Nonetheless, you know, it's also cool is 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.119 us taking a break? Oh yeah, so let's do that, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.480 and we'll come back and we'll finish up on the 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:52.400 mighty micheladon Marldon stop. So how are these dudes? Remember 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.960 one and a half to two million years to twenty 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.000 million years is when they lived. I'm not sure how 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.000 long they lived, and I'm not sure that ich theology 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.440 just to paleoic theologists know yet. Well, I said, they 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.879 guess they became distinct about two million years ago. No, 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:12.040 I mean how long they lived in like the lifespans area, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.440 it was pretty big. I don't know. Well, I mean 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:19.520 most large like whale, sharks and whales, they have long lives. Listen, 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.639 one hunts them. But they think they went extinct a 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.920 couple of million years ago during the Playo placed to 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:29.840 scene period. And um, we actually featured an article just 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.640 a few days ago about a new study on what 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.159 they think caused the extinction because they used to think 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.000 it had more to do with climate changes that they 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.320 couldn't keep up with. Yeah, but um, I believe the 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.000 same researchers who figured out the um or who found 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:51.320 that Panamanian nursery. Um. Also we're the ones who conducted 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:56.040 this study. Maybe not, but um, they they showed that 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:03.760 the global ocean temperatures rose, was and um declined during 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.640 this eighteen million year period where the megalodon was around, 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.320 and they're still Megalodon. Yeah, their populations apparently didn't change. 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.480 So they've basically said, no, we don't think it was 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.560 temperature climate change that did it. We think it was 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.600 a lack of diversity in the prey. Well, yeah, and 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.639 I guess what you were talking about, like eating a human, 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.720 Like you know, we'll say a human is six ft tall. 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.520 That's still pretty large. And if that's not a cheese it, 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.760 then you need to eat super large things and a 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.679 lot of them. And you better hope those large things 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.359 are successful at reproducing as well, because they go away, 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.360 you're in big trouble. And they basically think that's what happened. 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.760 The food sources became less diverse, and then smaller predators 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.480 evolved and started competing and we should probably faster and 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:54.920 better at hunting. And what happened by smaller they mean orcas. Yeah, 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.679 like that's that that was their smaller competition for the 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:03.600 same prey. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, and uh, who was it? 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:10.639 The Zurix Paleontological Paleontological Institute in Museum they examined two 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.000 hundred Megalodon records and came up with this new information, 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.240 and they flat out said, changing climactic conditions do not 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:22.880 appear to have had any influence. Yeah, they're like ocean hot, 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.040 ocean cold. We love it either way. Yeah, And I 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.160 mean if you if you're competing with an uh an 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.480 organism or species that is going after the same prey 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.840 but doesn't need as much as you to eat per day, 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:39.280 you're going to lose evolutionarily speaking, that it could very 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:43.080 easily be what it is. And because Megalodon, the recreations 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:47.040 of them look a lot like um great whites, a 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.959 lot of people are like, well, they're obviously great white ancestors. 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:56.640 Apparently not. Apparently they are more closely related to mako sharks, right, yeah, 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.680 mako sharks um and poor beagles sharks, although they would 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.040 share some sort of relation to um Great whites because 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.719 they would both be lamb uniforms. And the lamb niform 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.159 is a shark with two dorsal fins, five gill slits 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.080 in the mouth that extends back beyond the eyes, so 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.800 they can smile real wide after they eat a whole 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.720 boat full of people. So I was about to do 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:22.920 the Jaws line. Smile you son of a Um. We 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.400 should shout out Gordon Hubble. He's a megalodon expert who 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.920 uh he had his theory now I think it's cool. 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.760 He had his theory about the food source before. Uh, 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.200 it officially came out when everyone else was going and 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.360 now it was the climate. He actually theorized this beforehand. 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:42.520 So good on you, sir. Um. He's the same guy 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:46.200 who says no, no, no, there's no such thing as 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:50.479 this megalodon still right, Yeah, because we should do one 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.680 on cryptozoology as a whole. Um. There are people out 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.439 there that want to believe that somewhere in the depths 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.800 of the ocean and the deepest, darkest corners that we 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.440 have explored, that there are these giant beasts still living, right, 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.119 And actually they make great points. I mean, look at 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.840 the Ceila canth. We thought the silic canth went extinct, 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.600 and then it was caught off the coast of Africa 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:15.280 um in the thirties I think South Africa, UM, and 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.680 we realized, wow, this thing hasn't been extinct for a 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.679 couple of hundred million years. And then in the seventies 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.520 they found the megamouth shark, which is a here to 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:28.000 four unknown shark species that fed on plankton deep deep 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.200 deep in the ocean, and they caught one off of Hawaiian. 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.520 They're like, this is new. So crypto zoologist point to 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.560 these things and they say, how can you say that 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:41.199 there definitely is no um megalodons out there still? And 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:45.280 I think that same guy who you shouted out to says, well, 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:50.159 here's why, because the the megamouth shark um, which is 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.719 a plant eater, lives in this part of the ocean 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.919 where we just don't tread. We're just now developing the 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:59.720 technology to be able to go down there, so our 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.680 path wouldn't really cross. A megalodon would have the same 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.800 type of habitat that a regular shark has coastal regions, right, 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:12.000 so we definitely would have noticed a megalodon by now, 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.440 even if there was just one left in the whole world, 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.359 we probably would have encountered it by now because our 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:21.040 our habitats overlap a little bit. Then a sela can't. 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:24.040 Isn't the size of a school bus in fairness. Yeah, 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:29.200 So he kind of did a mic drop explanations and 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:33.000 um that they haven't found any megalodon teeth that are 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:36.520 not fossils, even though some people have claimed that, uh, 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.520 it's all bs. Yeah, can we say that safely? I 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.480 don't know. I think so. But that's not to say 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.680 that some people haven't made great hay out of this stuff, 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:49.760 including a guy named, um, what is that named Steve Alton. 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:52.560 He wrote a series of books called meg about a 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:56.280 megalodon that likes to battle people and dinosaurs and stuff 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.760 and it's great fun. And then of course there's Mega 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:03.760 Shark Versus Giant Octopus. Have you seen that? No? I 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.920 haven't either, but Debbie Gibson was in it apparently, Well 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.400 sign me up. And then there is a sequel to it, 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:14.480 um called Mega Shark Versus Crocosaurus. Yeah, Tiffany, isn't that actually? 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:21.000 Rkle Oh right, Julia White, good for him, and well, 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.240 I guess we got to talk about the elephant in 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:28.200 the room. Discovery Channel a couple of years ago, uh, 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:34.160 Discovery Channel, our our former bosses. They aired a show 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:39.320 um to kick off Shark Week about the megaladon that 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:45.280 was had the look of a documentary. Um, if you 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.000 didn't know any better, you would think it was real, 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.119 where they claimed the Megaladon was real, and that it 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:55.480 was um killing people off the coast of South Africa, 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:59.520 and it was this giant beast uh sixty seven ft long, 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:03.320 nickname a submarine and it's terrorizing humans and it was 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:09.560 called Megalodon. The monster shark lives. Um. They to put 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:12.960 it lightly, came under a little bit of fire from 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:16.520 the viewing public, most notably, well, not most notably, but 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.240 notably Will Wheaton. Uh, I don't know if we'll still 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.440 listen to our show, but at one point he did listening. 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:24.680