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Speaker 2: here's your host, Paul Chargion.
Speaker 1: It's another edition of Fantasy Football Weekly. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the show. Very excited to be with you because my
Speaker 1: co host today is the Haggard Remains of Scott Fish.
Speaker 1: Oh the grinder you've been in for the last three weeks,
Speaker 1: my man.
Speaker 3: It has It has been a time. I've been traveling constantly. Ye,
Speaker 3: sitting in a lot of airports you have, but I
Speaker 3: don't have to travel for only thirteen more days travel right, right?
Speaker 1: So how many different and I know you unfortunately because
Speaker 1: of the global outage, you had to miss the LA
Speaker 1: that you would have done as a live appearance at
Speaker 1: the Scott Fish Bowl LA. But how many did you?
Speaker 1: I know you hit Denver obviously, Minneapolis in your backyard.
Speaker 1: I know you were in Boston. Which ones? What am
Speaker 1: I missing?
Speaker 3: You're missing Las Vegas?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? The big circa pool side. Oh, if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to one? Yeah, that isn't in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the one. I will say that was the one.
Speaker 3: And I know I'm you know, using up time vamping
Speaker 3: now for no reason. But if that is the one
Speaker 3: where I nearly shatted to hear, I probably could have cried.
Speaker 3: Because there were people from Ohio, Washington, Uh, Minnesota, Canada,
Speaker 3: a bunch come from Canada. They were like all over
Speaker 3: they came down to that one, and so we did
Speaker 3: the drafts. We're having fun. But later that night we
Speaker 3: go to a piano bar. It's just dark, there's moods
Speaker 3: and vibes. It's just piano singing, singing in a piano bar.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting on the end of I look over
Speaker 3: and all these people from all these different places around
Speaker 3: the country and you know, different countries are just laughing, chatting,
Speaker 3: having a good smiling And I'm like, you brought you
Speaker 3: help bring them all together. How did we get here?
Speaker 3: You remember sify from the days before live events seven
Speaker 3: years ago. It's just how did we get here where
Speaker 3: we're connecting people on that level? But that's so cool,
Speaker 3: it's wonderful. That is I love it. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: that's a great story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, What else will bring a tear
Speaker 1: to your eye is the if you get the cabana
Speaker 1: yea at Circus Pool. Yeah yeah, paying that bill, that'll
Speaker 1: bring a tear to your eye. If you want to
Speaker 1: have a tier at the in the swim stadium.
Speaker 3: Swim a wonderful and if you have enough people, it's
Speaker 3: it's worth it. It's worth it to get the shade.
Speaker 1: It is. It is worth it for the shade. When
Speaker 1: we were there a couple of it was like about
Speaker 1: one week after you, My wife and I were there,
Speaker 1: and uh, it was a one hundred and ten degrees yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah we were sharing the cabana with
Speaker 1: another couple, which which helped a lot. Shout out pat
Speaker 1: G and yeah, it was uh yeah, the food and beveragement,
Speaker 1: it's good, pretty significant. That's a that is a it's
Speaker 1: a it's an epic experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it is. You're paying for in part
Speaker 3: for the experience.
Speaker 1: Yes, Now, what I need to do. Unfortunately you like me.
Speaker 1: You know, we're working on Sundays during the NFL season. Whatever.
Speaker 1: I need to find a way to get an NFL
Speaker 1: Sunday in the circle parts.
Speaker 3: You heard it here, folks. We're gonna need from the
Speaker 3: circle from the make it like deep in the winter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's do that.
Speaker 1: Well, then I can't get NFL. How do I get
Speaker 1: NFL action? And plus Vegas is cold in the winter, right,
Speaker 1: so the pool's not even.
Speaker 3: Open, I mean cold for Vegas is cold like well,
Speaker 3: winter in Vegas, Okay, you know the highest you know
Speaker 3: it gets down to like thirty eight at night, it
Speaker 3: still gets cold.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I need to find a
Speaker 1: way to get this. If I could pick a time,
Speaker 1: probably be like October when it's cold here in Minneapolis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's still really nice.
Speaker 3: Feels like right, I feel like we should plan the trip.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should do that. How do we how do we?
Speaker 1: How do we finangle that into our schedule? Let mean, right,
Speaker 1: how much money have you raised to this point? Got
Speaker 1: fish bowl efforts?
Speaker 3: Oh boy, we're closing in on four hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: This unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Yes, wow, last last I looked is I think it
Speaker 3: was in the three seventies or something. I could I
Speaker 3: could be a little off, but it's ballpark.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Congratulations. I'm sure that's an all time high
Speaker 1: for Fantasy care. Absolutely, Yeah, that's that's outstanding and well
Speaker 1: most of the scott Fish Bowl stuff has wrapped. A reminder,
Speaker 1: the Guillotine League. The scott Fish Bowl Guillotine League is
Speaker 1: going to be launching coming shortly. I don't have an
Speaker 1: exact date for anybody quite yet, but it's coming, and
Speaker 1: so there'll be another opportunity and there are ways to
Speaker 1: ensure your spot in next year's scott Fish Bowl by
Speaker 1: participating in the Guillotine League. Super Shop super Chop for
Speaker 1: scott Fish.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So all right, with all that under our belt, let's
Speaker 1: dive into the Let's dive into the big content for today.
Speaker 1: The big topic for today. Cheap starters. Nobody wants except us.
Speaker 1: You and I. Now we qualified what constitutes a cheap starter?
Speaker 3: Did we?
Speaker 1: And we did? You might not know that we think
Speaker 1: we did. So it's got to be a starter on
Speaker 1: his NFL team or probable starter. Right. So in some
Speaker 1: cases I'm not even I'm not positive about my own guys.
Speaker 1: But the guys who I think are all going to
Speaker 1: be starters for their team at least at the start
Speaker 1: of the season, we need the ADP to be lower. Right,
Speaker 1: These are cheap starters. They were cheap is important here,
Speaker 1: and there were reasons for these players to be that
Speaker 1: we think that they'll outperform their ADP. And we'll tell
Speaker 1: you why we like these players and to be included
Speaker 1: they I've decided not to do. We took I took
Speaker 1: rookies off the table, as you know, because we spent
Speaker 1: the last two episodes talking about rookies. So took the
Speaker 1: rookies off the table. Because Thor and I have spent
Speaker 1: two straight weeks on rookies.
Speaker 3: So that's it.
Speaker 1: Now we're each going to give a quarterback, two running backs,
Speaker 1: two receivers, and a tight end. Yes, I will yield
Speaker 1: the floor to you, Scott Fish. Who is your cheap
Speaker 1: starter at quarterback?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So mine is not as cheap because I feel
Speaker 3: past about twenty where like eighteen nineteen twenty range is
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, Kirk Cousins, et cetera. Types After that,
Speaker 3: it's a whole lot of you're not sure who's gonna
Speaker 3: win the job, or it's someone like Will Levis that
Speaker 3: you're like, he's just actually not good, right, and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. So I went with the QB nineteen, which
Speaker 3: is again higher than yours. Yep, that's fine, but I
Speaker 3: have a ton of faith in Kirk Cousins and that offense.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on this. Yeah, No, you know you're
Speaker 1: spreaching to the quiet right now.
Speaker 3: Round ten, He's got Bijon who's a dual threat running back.
Speaker 3: You got Drake London. You got Kyle Pitts, who, when
Speaker 3: Arthur Smith isn't throttling him, has high potential. You got
Speaker 3: Darnell Mooney coming over. You got Ron del Moore coming over,
Speaker 3: who are absolutely capable number three and four wide receivers.
Speaker 3: In fact, they they played the two two okay degrees
Speaker 3: at other spots as a three or four with those
Speaker 3: other threats around, I love them in that spot. They
Speaker 3: have a top five PFF ranked O line. So Kirk's
Speaker 3: gonna stay clean, yep, and those wide receivers will have
Speaker 3: to running backs and have time to get open tight end.
Speaker 3: Zach Robinson's coming over from you know, the McVeigh stool whatever,
Speaker 3: which is going to be the complete opposite of Arthur
Speaker 3: Smith's super run heavy right.
Speaker 1: Look at look at what Kevin O'Connell did as somebody
Speaker 1: who has had a similar career path through the RAMS
Speaker 1: organization with Sean McVay.
Speaker 3: Even to the point of not calling plays sounds right yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and passing game coordinators, quarterback coaches. And then they
Speaker 1: get to the NFL and Kevin O'Connell's been a top
Speaker 1: five play passing play percentage coach. Interesting, so you get
Speaker 1: the heavy, heavy passing play side of it. Yep. You
Speaker 1: bring in Kirk Cousins, who's keeps every year Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: finishes as like QB nine, QB eleven.
Speaker 3: In nineteen and he's going off the board of QB
Speaker 3: nineteen and one last one, last point on why I
Speaker 3: like Kirk Cousins. Atlanta is the going into the season
Speaker 3: the thirty first ranked defense with last year's worst pass rush,
Speaker 3: which means maybe they have some shootouts, maybe maybe kirks
Speaker 3: to keep them in games.
Speaker 1: Yep, I like the sound of that. Staying with a
Speaker 1: Minnesota theme, my cheap starting quarterback is Sam Donald. A
Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize there's still people out there
Speaker 1: that think Sam Donald might not start the season.
Speaker 3: I have been pushing this on every show during my
Speaker 3: SFB runs, that it's Sam Donald at least till Week six,
Speaker 3: if not the whole season.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: I don't understand and okay.
Speaker 1: So I mean two parts I think are really important
Speaker 1: for people to understand it. First, Sam Donald starts the
Speaker 1: season the first time, as you mentioned, the first time
Speaker 1: he might bow out would be their bye week at
Speaker 1: six because the team the Vikings have got Week one
Speaker 1: is against the Giants, that's a pick them, and then
Speaker 1: after that it's a slew of difficult games of the
Speaker 1: Vikings and then in a trip to London and then
Speaker 1: they go into their bye week. So Scott, the earliest
Speaker 1: that Sam could bow out would be that week six, right,
Speaker 1: even if he did, and this is I think important
Speaker 1: for people, it's not clear that they would go to
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy to Nick Mullens absolu. They're so dedicated to
Speaker 1: giving twenty one year old JJ McCarthy the runway he
Speaker 1: needs to get up to speed. Yep, they could go
Speaker 1: to Nick Mullens first. So but I still think I
Speaker 1: think Sam Donald's gonna be good enough. With the talent
Speaker 1: around him, the coaching staff, the schemes they've got here,
Speaker 1: everything's so much better for Sam Donald. Let's talk it
Speaker 1: through for a second. And by the way, it's very
Speaker 1: early training camp for the Vikings, but so far it's
Speaker 1: it's bombs away on the deep stuff from Sam Donald.
Speaker 1: He's look good. Don't read too much into it. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're three days in the training camp. But
Speaker 1: the terrible coaching that he's had throughout his career, guys
Speaker 1: like Adam Gase, Steve Wilkes, Dowel Loggings, Jeff Nixon, Ben mcado,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, you know, almost nobody that he's
Speaker 1: worked with, you made us exactly all these coaches, between
Speaker 1: every head coach he's ever had, every offensive coordinator he's
Speaker 1: ever had Sam through Sam Donald's career. One of them
Speaker 1: is still in the NFL. All the rest are out
Speaker 1: of the league. It's unbelievable. Kevin O'Connell's a massive upgrade
Speaker 1: over those guys. And then the terrible receivers he's always
Speaker 1: had to work with, the Robbie Chosens and the Jamison
Speaker 1: Crowders as his number one, and now you know, now
Speaker 1: he gets justin Jefferson Vikings. He's always he's struggled with
Speaker 1: bad pass blocking lines as well. Donald has, so he's
Speaker 1: absorbed a lot of sacks and been under duress constantly.
Speaker 1: The Vikings are a significantly better one. They finished last
Speaker 1: year's Pro Football Focus is third best pass blocking rank.
Speaker 1: And then you know that for Donald, I just you
Speaker 1: get the feeling like the pressure's off for the first time.
Speaker 1: You know, granted he's starting, he's gonna be starting the
Speaker 1: NFL as an NFL quarterback, so it's just amount of
Speaker 1: presure to that. But he came into the league he
Speaker 1: had to be the savior for the Jets, and you
Speaker 1: know it just I just feel like expectations are down.
Speaker 1: He's still in his prime at twenty seven years old.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to carry his whole team. So I
Speaker 1: just feel like, you know, the stage is set for
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold to dramatically outperform his Round eighteen ADP is
Speaker 1: quarterback thirty four.
Speaker 3: It's insane.
Speaker 1: That is insane. Let's go to the running backs.
Speaker 3: Yes, uh, and we're doing two running back seats.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you can do one. I'll do one, then
Speaker 1: you and the.
Speaker 3: Meat Okay, okay, I'm going to start out with Brian
Speaker 3: Robinson Junior, going to RB thirty three off the board,
Speaker 3: ninety ninth overall, round eight or nine, right in that range.
Speaker 3: He's going to be the main guy. They've already reported
Speaker 3: Eckler's looking at ten touches a game which Eckler can
Speaker 3: be efficient with. And that's what Eckler's wanted for years,
Speaker 3: is a second guy to help extend his career that
Speaker 3: he doesn't have to take the punishment he You know,
Speaker 3: Robinson's going to be the between the twenties guy for
Speaker 3: a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Did you consider Eckler for this?
Speaker 3: I did. I did, because he's going late to but
Speaker 3: I feel Robinson is a shoe in for that short
Speaker 3: distance and that goal line stuff. They're not going to
Speaker 3: hammer Jayden Daniels. And he is not Josh Allen. He's
Speaker 3: not Jalen. No, he's much more slightly build than that. No,
Speaker 3: he's He's got my eleven year old's body shape. So
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. That's extreme. But yeah, they're not gonna
Speaker 3: hammer him him, and so Robinson's gonna get the goal
Speaker 3: line work. He scored nine times last year. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I can nine nine. I forgot totally forget. You're like
Speaker 3: leaded back to listening. Either I threw it nine times
Speaker 3: in there. I don't know if he scores nine again,
Speaker 3: but he's gonna have that role. So uh. He also
Speaker 3: showcased his pass catching. I know that's going to be
Speaker 3: mostly Eckler's rule, but he's still gonna get some That
Speaker 3: two and a half catches for twenty five yards per game.
Speaker 3: That's like five PPR points right there. But he's he's
Speaker 3: the best between the tackles runner they have. He's gonna
Speaker 3: get the majority. It's it's a starting running back you're
Speaker 3: grabbing in like round eight or nine.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm in a similar spot a Zamir White,
Speaker 1: sure running back twenty four, round seven, he's the He's
Speaker 1: the Vegas starter. Alexander Madison's going to be the back.
Speaker 1: But I don't even think it's close here. You'll remember
Speaker 1: White was the starter for the last month of last
Speaker 1: season and we got long looks at him. He had
Speaker 1: a seventeen attempt game, a twenty two attempt game, a
Speaker 1: twenty attempt game, and a twenty five attempt game for
Speaker 1: the backup. The then backup for the Raiders. They bring
Speaker 1: back the same coaching staff, the coordinator love with Pierce
Speaker 1: loves to run the ball, and Luke gets he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to get in line on that. We love volume,
Speaker 1: and so does so does Antonio Pierce. So we love
Speaker 1: that part of it. I thought White looked pretty good.
Speaker 1: He had some explosive runs. In his fourth starts, White
Speaker 1: had seven runs of more than ten yards and that
Speaker 1: is double the rate that Alexander Madison had.
Speaker 3: I am shocked Madison had that many.
Speaker 1: I know I am too, having watched him all year.
Speaker 1: White only scored one touchdown in those four starts. But
Speaker 1: he will get the goal line work because it's not
Speaker 1: going to be Madison, who scored zero rushing touchdowns last
Speaker 1: year as the season long starter for the Vikings.
Speaker 3: I cannot wait for your side the five stat you
Speaker 3: know talking about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to your second cheap starting running back.
Speaker 3: So my second cheap starting running back is more of
Speaker 3: a flyers. It's a flyer on a talent that once
Speaker 3: was and still was before he got injured last year
Speaker 3: in Nick Chubb going off the board at RB thirty five.
Speaker 1: We've seen like it.
Speaker 3: We've seen the videos recently. He's only got guys like
Speaker 3: Jerome Ford behind him and Deonta Foreman and stuff. We've
Speaker 3: seen the videos of his workouts looking great. His his
Speaker 3: weightlifting look.
Speaker 1: Weightlifting was insane. It was five hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to see more lateral movement on that.
Speaker 3: But in late twenty two he started catching more passes.
Speaker 3: He caught four in the opener last year. Obviously he
Speaker 3: got injured early the second week. But we're talking about
Speaker 3: a team with the number three ranked offensive line, a
Speaker 3: top three ranked defense, So maybe they get ahead and
Speaker 3: just run and just run.
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski loves to run. He doesn't need a reason.
Speaker 3: Yep, they got, they got, They added Judy, so they
Speaker 3: got Cooper, Judy and Djoku out there running routes to
Speaker 3: keep you know, defenses a little bit honest out there.
Speaker 3: And Nick Chubb on a contract year, I know you
Speaker 3: don't think he has something to prove coming off an
Speaker 3: injury on a contract year, wanting to get maybe another contract.
Speaker 1: It all adds up.
Speaker 3: I will say guys like Jamal Charles Adrian Peterson, like
Speaker 3: they have come back from ACLTA, we'd normally say it's
Speaker 3: an extra year. But we've seen it before. We saw
Speaker 3: just last year with Breese Hall. And I know all
Speaker 3: those guys were young, like Charles was twenty six, Peterson
Speaker 3: twenty seven, Price Prize twenty three. You know, I know
Speaker 3: that he's job is twenty nine. But for an eighth round,
Speaker 3: maybe ninth round flyer on a guy that could be
Speaker 3: a Bellco starter. I'll take it.
Speaker 1: In my Boston Scott Fish Bowl League, Okay, I drafted
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb? Yeah at round eight Yeah, four person, that's right,
Speaker 1: And so you're preaching to the choir that seems like
Speaker 1: tremendous value on a guy. I am. I gonna be
Speaker 1: starting Nick Chubb in week one? Probably will probably why
Speaker 1: and just you know, seeing what it you know how
Speaker 1: long it takes him to get back to having a
Speaker 1: full workload. But am I starting him in December?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb's going to be there, and he's gonna be
Speaker 1: He's gonna be back and running hard again. I'm confident. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my cheap starting running back. And I'll be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't love this player, but he fits all
Speaker 1: he checks enough boxes. Devin Singletary new Start the Giants Motor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous about super sleeper Tyrone Tracy Thor
Speaker 1: nice from favorite.
Speaker 3: Yes, but and a Scott Fish favorite Thor Yes?
Speaker 1: Who stole from who on that? Like, Oh, I'm sure
Speaker 1: that was arrived at simultaneously organically.
Speaker 3: He I'm sure he knew of Tyrone batt quicker than earlier.
Speaker 1: There. Yeah, at this time last year, I didn't know
Speaker 1: who he was Singletary. You know, as you know Scott
Speaker 1: good at a lot of things, not elite at really anything,
Speaker 1: not and not a receiver. You know. He when I
Speaker 1: went through all of his metrics looking for some eye
Speaker 1: popping stats, like you know, Singletary, he ranks like his
Speaker 1: running back fifteen twenty twenty five almost every metric he's
Speaker 1: he's good, but he's still low mileage because he got
Speaker 1: the light workload in Buffalo.
Speaker 3: In Buffalo his first two years he had very high
Speaker 3: explosive run rates, but not so much.
Speaker 1: Less not so much lately. Right, you know, he's been
Speaker 1: in that one hundred and twenty to two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen carry range for his career and never missed a
Speaker 1: game in five years. I love that about Devin Singletary.
Speaker 1: Offensive line for the Giants was a disaster last year,
Speaker 1: but comes back healthier this year, presumably, and you get
Speaker 1: a second season under for center John Michael Schmidts, who
Speaker 1: should get better. Daniel Jones being back though, is the
Speaker 1: biggest thing this whole you know, the whole Giants offense
Speaker 1: gets way better having a functional quarterback. So yeah, Devin
Speaker 1: Singletary round nine running back thirty two is just a
Speaker 1: guy that you plug in and and forget about it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it honorable mention of Chase Brown running
Speaker 3: back twenty I had.
Speaker 1: He was on my list originally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, round eleven. It's just the camp reports are great.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much I believe in Zach Moss
Speaker 3: for that role. And just Chase Brown annoyed me last
Speaker 3: year because you would watch him like we watched him
Speaker 3: and we're like, wow, is he pops? He saw something?
Speaker 3: Then you look at the stat sheet four for twenty
Speaker 3: you're like, wait, I saw a good run right in there. Yes,
Speaker 3: I swear you're better than this. Yeah, so we'll see it.
Speaker 3: Honorable mention.
Speaker 1: I I'm really intrigued by the idea of going Chase
Speaker 1: Brown and round what'd you say he's going in eleven?
Speaker 3: Eleven?
Speaker 1: And then Jack Masson twelve? Sure, and just know, okay,
Speaker 1: I got I've spent almost meaningless draft capital, and I've
Speaker 1: got the Bengals starting running back one way or another,
Speaker 1: and I do like that. That interests me.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the wide receiver. Position, and let's go, Uh,
Speaker 1: who's your who's your cheap starting wide receiver, your first
Speaker 1: or two.
Speaker 3: I'm going to start with the one that's at the
Speaker 3: end of a tier. He's he's probably not as cheap
Speaker 3: as you'd want for this this exercise, but it's going
Speaker 3: to be Chris Godwin at wide receiver thirty three.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of your your your next year first
Speaker 3: guy is wide receiver thirty eight, So they're kind of
Speaker 3: in the same range, but they are actually two rounds
Speaker 3: of part art because there is a tear drop after
Speaker 3: you take Chris Godwin, Chris Godwin and key now and
Speaker 3: there's a nice tear drop there. So, uh, he's moving
Speaker 3: back to the slot, which is its natural.
Speaker 1: Position, where he did not like that move last year.
Speaker 3: He averages more catches, more targets, more yards. It's not
Speaker 3: a per game on a per game basis more and
Speaker 3: he's also weirdly scored more weirdly because a slot.
Speaker 1: Guy usually don't get that from don't expect that.
Speaker 3: Uh. But after after him, there's there's a whole lot
Speaker 3: of who wins the Denver wide receiver two jobs? Who
Speaker 3: wins the Green Bay jobs? The Buffalo Jobs, the Indie
Speaker 3: number two, the Chargers guy, like everything is such a
Speaker 3: battle after him, except for possibly the three we're gonna
Speaker 3: mention in a second, but also on for that team,
Speaker 3: Chris Godwin, It's it's Mike Evans, It's Chris Godwin. Then
Speaker 3: after that it's Trey Palmer, rackem Jarrett, Sterling, Shepard, Jalen McMillan,
Speaker 3: Cephus Johnson, Cody Thompson, Latrelle Jones, Tyler Canoe, Cameron Johnson.
Speaker 1: There's a guy named Tyler Canoe.
Speaker 3: Tanner Tanner Suner Canoe, I think by Braid just to
Speaker 3: I did not know yet there was a Canoe in
Speaker 3: this league. Yeah, Kate, well it's k and you e
Speaker 3: somebody to do. But I'm not, of course. The last guy,
Speaker 3: Rally Webb, who was an old timey baseball player.
Speaker 1: I appreciated, no kidding with that name, Raley Webb.
Speaker 3: So like he's got nothing behind him. They're like, they're
Speaker 3: just a ton of targets. Should be available for Evans
Speaker 3: and Godwin this year.
Speaker 1: I can't. I need this canoe guy, Tannered Canoe to
Speaker 1: make the league and be meaningful so we can start
Speaker 1: getting Canoe Sounders. You know we can have I want
Speaker 1: the nickname. Possibilities are going through me right now. Jacoby
Speaker 1: Myers going off the board is wide receiver fifty two,
Speaker 1: round eleven. Do you know where Jacoby Myers finished last
Speaker 1: year among wide receivers.
Speaker 3: It feels like he felt like he was scoring every
Speaker 3: week for a little bit wide receiver twenty four.
Speaker 1: Not surprised he's going as fifty two this year. And
Speaker 1: I know what you people are like, oh, quarterback, but
Speaker 1: christ the situation stunk last year.
Speaker 3: Of course it's not different.
Speaker 1: It's no, it's better, if anything, because Gardner Minshew was
Speaker 1: probably better than Brian Hoyer for Pete's sake. Remember last year,
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers, they moved him to the slot and he
Speaker 1: ended Hunter Renfro's career. That always it for Hunter reprol
Speaker 1: And you know he is a Meyer's a good player,
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, right in his prime. Not a
Speaker 1: lot of special traits, but he just does. He just
Speaker 1: looks like the effort is just solid. He's always trying hard.
Speaker 1: It's like a little bit of the Chase Brown cynerme.
Speaker 1: You're just describing where you're like, ooh, I see things
Speaker 1: that look really good. The box scores, he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: nine hundred yards a year. The box scars aren't huge, ye,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just I like that guy. In three
Speaker 1: years since becoming the full time starter, Jacoby Myers has
Speaker 1: only missed three games. He's got that nose for the
Speaker 1: ends of that you mentioned. He just he get this.
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers last year converted ten percent of his catches
Speaker 1: to touchdowns. We'll take that, ya, that is a nice
Speaker 1: conversion percentage. And he is your possible kick return ooh
Speaker 1: for Las Vegas. Oh, I like that. That's a possibility.
Speaker 1: They gave him runs out of the backfield last year.
Speaker 1: So there's some chances that Jacoby Myers, I like his
Speaker 1: chances of a dramatically outperforming wide receiver fifty two. Let's
Speaker 1: go to your next receiver.
Speaker 3: Let's drop six spots down to Rashid Shahit at wide
Speaker 3: receiver fifty eight. How is he so late? Round eleven
Speaker 3: takes over the more clear cut wide receiver two role
Speaker 3: in New Orleans. He's probably gonna take a lot of
Speaker 3: that Michael Thomas volume that they shouldn't have even given
Speaker 3: Michael Thomas last year. To be honest, but last year
Speaker 3: he paid. He only played like fifty seven percent of
Speaker 3: the snaps, which is a pretty limited role. I didn't
Speaker 3: I was surprised he was that low. But he scored
Speaker 3: five times, was targeted on one out of every five
Speaker 3: routes he ran. His true catch rate was ninety four percent,
Speaker 3: meaning that that's basically the percent of his catchable targets
Speaker 3: that he caught, you know, not the total targets, but
Speaker 3: the catchable targets, not the ones that Derek Carr sailed
Speaker 3: it over. But they credited him with a target you know, yes,
Speaker 3: average nearly two deep balls of game, twenty fourth in
Speaker 3: the league on that metric.
Speaker 1: And that's the specialty for Shihi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, so sixteen yards per catch. Everything on him
Speaker 3: looks good and efficient, but the volume is what's kept
Speaker 3: him down, which he should finally get.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: The other thing that could keep him down in his
Speaker 3: Derek Car's arm. But besides that, more volume should have
Speaker 3: every one of those you know, creep up he should.
Speaker 3: He should easily finish above wide receiver fifty eight. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's that sane.
Speaker 1: We just I just some guys just give you a
Speaker 1: spark of talent that make you go man. I want
Speaker 1: to hitch my wagonto that that guy, and she's one
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 3: A guy like that. Marvin Mims is like that too,
Speaker 3: And I know they drafted Troy Franklin, but that's like
Speaker 3: he looks like there's sparks when he's out there. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with Sean Payton, so I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: a guy my next, my next cheap starter, does not
Speaker 1: have a lot of those sparks. To be honest, He's
Speaker 1: just a plug and play good receiver. Deontay Johnson wide receiver,
Speaker 1: thirty eight, round seven Panthers offense is a candidate to
Speaker 1: be the most improved. Now. Granted they were terrible last year,
Speaker 1: so they always have to be improved, but I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna get a lot better. I liked the new
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, Dave Canalis coach, head coach, excuse me, terrific
Speaker 1: track record for extracting massive improvement from struggling quarterbacks. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Gino Smith, Baker Mayfield, you know about that. Johnson's the
Speaker 1: clear number one, I think, yeah, And you know we've
Speaker 1: loved Adam Thelend. It's been an amazing career, but he's
Speaker 1: at the bitter end of his career right.
Speaker 3: Now, just think about Deontay Johnson in the earliest last season,
Speaker 3: Adam thielen Roll with all those targets and catch ups, yes,
Speaker 3: only not getting tired, right, which.
Speaker 1: Is unfortunately happened with Theland He started out really hot
Speaker 1: and then fell off. So you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: Thelan's really a factor that way. Xavier Leguette is just
Speaker 1: a bombs away rookie who's I don't think going to
Speaker 1: be much of a factor for this year outside of
Speaker 1: a handful of big plays. And then Jonathan Mingo and
Speaker 1: Tarras Marshall look like they've they might already be done
Speaker 1: before they even started. You know, Deontay Johnson's quarterbacks with
Speaker 1: the Steelers after Ben retired, He's had Mason Rudolph, Mitch Trubisky,
Speaker 1: and Kenny Pickett, and he's done well with it. And Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, so you know, sure you have concerns about
Speaker 1: the quarterbacking in Carolina, but there's an opportunity here where
Speaker 1: Bryce Young is gonna be better than Mason Rudolph, Mitch Trubisky,
Speaker 1: and Kenny Pickett this year.
Speaker 3: I think it's very likely.
Speaker 1: Actually for sure, still drops so many balls, but that's okay,
Speaker 1: This is uh, this is still a nice opportunity for him.
Speaker 1: He's coming off of career highs Deontay Johnson in yards
Speaker 1: per route run a dot yards per reception and the
Speaker 1: best passer rating on balls thrown his way since Ben retired.
Speaker 1: So there's you know, it's not like the game's passed
Speaker 1: him by. Deontay Johnson's still young. Still can be a
Speaker 1: nice kind of contributor for your team. All Right, thet'll
Speaker 1: trap it up with tight ends. Sure your your cheap
Speaker 1: starting tight end.
Speaker 3: I have a cheap one, and I gotta I gotta
Speaker 3: throw in honorable mention again on this. Oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: start with a guy that you may have heard of
Speaker 3: named John U. Smith.
Speaker 1: Yes, my guy twenty, thank you.
Speaker 3: Round fifteen. I still believe in the athleticism and talent.
Speaker 3: And if there's any what, any coach in the NFL,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of good ones that do this,
Speaker 3: but in extracting, like extracting some really good stuff from
Speaker 3: people from players that just have athleticism and talent, it
Speaker 3: might be Mike McDaniel. He's one of the best out there.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, And you know, they a lot of
Speaker 1: weapons there. So they're gonna be games where John who
Speaker 1: just doesn't get his way because there's so many mouths
Speaker 1: to feed. Absolutely, but then there's gonna be games where
Speaker 1: they do feed him, and he's going to have explosive
Speaker 1: games if you can identify it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely works both ways because Hill is there, because Wattle
Speaker 3: is there, because a Chan is there, because they can
Speaker 3: run it with a Chan and moster, but a Chan
Speaker 3: out of the backfield too. He's who is double covering
Speaker 3: Smith and if you cannot, if you're not covering double
Speaker 3: covering him at all, he's gonna have potential mismatches here
Speaker 3: in a decent amount. To let the NFL in passing
Speaker 3: last year, I expected a very similar situation this year.
Speaker 3: I just I just want the starting tight end on
Speaker 3: that offense at round fifteen, round fifteen, I mean, he's
Speaker 3: not even your starting tight end.
Speaker 1: You draft no, right, he's your he's your backup, and
Speaker 1: you pick your spots, and here in Fantasy Football Weekly
Speaker 1: will help you identify those. When we drop our shows
Speaker 1: every Friday. By the way, the.
Speaker 3: Over under four take a chance on me of the
Speaker 3: week for uh.
Speaker 1: John Smith, He's gonna spurred me battling him constantly. But
Speaker 1: even if it's only you and I, yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be picking our spots for John Ujohnu beloved John Johnna
Speaker 1: before you do your your your your your backup honorable mention. Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: let me let me get my guy in absolutely and
Speaker 1: I'll save my honorable mention as well. Zach Ertz. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty nine, round eighteen.
Speaker 3: He's fighting a rookie. That's it.
Speaker 1: He's fighting a rookie. Bensonit. And we all know that
Speaker 1: rookie tight ends usually not always. Sam Laporta was awesome
Speaker 1: last year. Usually as rookies, they don't do very much.
Speaker 1: Ertz walks in is your probable starter, which was one
Speaker 1: of the rules for today's exercise. Reunited with offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, with whom he played for twenty one games,
Speaker 1: and in each of Kingsbury's five seasons in Arizona, one
Speaker 1: of his tight ends cracked the top five in yards
Speaker 1: and targets every single year, and two of those seasons
Speaker 1: was Zach Ertz. You know, last year, Ertz missed most
Speaker 1: of the season with quad injury, which was unfortunate, and
Speaker 1: then you know, the whole thing, you know, blew up
Speaker 1: for you know Trey uh, Trey McBride ran away with
Speaker 1: everything out, you know when once he went down, and
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels in Washington could fit into that old rookie
Speaker 1: stereotype of the kid looking for his safety blanket tight
Speaker 1: end over the middle of the field when he gets
Speaker 1: into trouble. You know the play. You know, everything's happening
Speaker 1: so fast for a rookie, your first guy's cut go
Speaker 1: to that tight end safety valve. So zach Ertz, it's
Speaker 1: not sexy, but let me give you a quote from Let
Speaker 1: me give you a quote from Dan Quinn on zach Ertz.
Speaker 1: I thought the leadership for him would be good, but
Speaker 1: it's been remarkable. Ertz is not here to coach, but
Speaker 1: he has the presence standards that others can emulate in
Speaker 1: the passing game. He has a very good awareness and
Speaker 1: the nuances of a route. So Dan Quinn loves zach Ertz.
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury loves zach Ertz, has the history with him.
Speaker 1: He's thirty three years old. Travis Kelcey was thirty three
Speaker 1: last year. You know it's I think we can get
Speaker 1: one last one last season on a zach Ertz.
Speaker 3: And once again, these are players that they're not even
Speaker 3: your starting tight end. They are the guys you're drafting
Speaker 3: as your backup tight end that I could easily make.
Speaker 1: Make hay talk to me about your honorable mention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my honorable mention is tight end thirty four twenty
Speaker 3: all right, even deeper than Zach Kertz, and that is
Speaker 3: Haydenhurst starting tight end for the wide receiver room depleted
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Chargers. Early reports out of the first couple
Speaker 3: of days of camp are he is getting targeted a ton,
Speaker 3: which was confirmed by Haydenhurst himself at s fbl A
Speaker 3: when he said, Herbert is just throwing me on every play.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, he said himself. He was in attendance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Haydenhurst was at s FBLA.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Haydenhurst came out to s FBLA, hung
Speaker 3: out with all of our drafts together. He has a
Speaker 3: mental health foundation that we have supported, Fantasy Hurst has supported. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's actually like decent connections with a couple companies in
Speaker 3: the fantasy space. Yeah yeah, he's yeah, like like Austin
Speaker 3: Eckler has some of that similar stuff. Haydenhurst also does
Speaker 3: and he showed up at s fbl A and he's
Speaker 3: like Herbert is he is constantly targeting me. And that's
Speaker 3: the early reports in camp too, that apparently Hayden Hurst
Speaker 3: is Herbert's Wood, be his security van.
Speaker 1: So at this time last year, the fantasy experts, it
Speaker 1: was Gerald Everett, Gerald Evert, Gerald Evertt, Gerald Everett. You
Speaker 1: just yeah constantly, and that never really panned out.
Speaker 3: There was Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. Now there's Lad
Speaker 3: McConkie and Quentin Johnson tackle so Johnston excuse me, Josh
Speaker 3: mixed in again preface twentieth.
Speaker 1: Round, twentieth round. I'm look, I still have two rounds
Speaker 1: to go on my Scott Fish Boulder. Okay.
Speaker 3: I took Hayden with my the twenty two dot twelve
Speaker 3: in mind.
Speaker 1: Wow, So all right, I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jolohnnie Woods, Johnny Wait.
Speaker 1: Can't listeners like kode do we can we go one episode?
Speaker 1: You mentioning Johnny Woods, Janie, I've already made my case
Speaker 1: for him all the time. Yes, just one of these
Speaker 1: times it's gonna pan. Look, this is my this is
Speaker 1: my moss.
Speaker 3: What you need to do is I believe his wingspan
Speaker 3: is like seventy four or something. But every time you
Speaker 3: bet beted, the week sped, but increased it so by
Speaker 3: week sixt Woodlin out there, man Wood, Listen.
Speaker 1: It took me four years to be right about Zach Moss.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm telling you, I'm gonna be right about
Speaker 1: Jillanny Woods one of these years.
Speaker 3: I hope this becomes a new thing with at least
Speaker 3: with running backs, like year five were like take Bigsby's.
Speaker 1: A start out. Holy see, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: You had a little bit of success at the beginning
Speaker 3: with Peers.
Speaker 1: Though Damian Pierce, we just this watch this is gonna
Speaker 1: be the year because Joe Mixon's cooked. But I feel
Speaker 1: like I burned all of my ability to stump for
Speaker 1: Damien Pierce last year. So I can't talk about it now,
Speaker 1: but some of you know us that the opportunity is
Speaker 1: there if you're with me and you think that it's
Speaker 1: effectively the end of the run for Joe Mixon Damian Pierce.
Speaker 1: By away, I was checking out secretly some of the
Speaker 1: me in Pierce's metrics. Okay, last year, even last year
Speaker 1: when you know he wasn't playing great. A lot of
Speaker 1: the advanced metrics are still really good on.
Speaker 3: It, and he might be doing returns too, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's possible. He's got better hands than people know
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