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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready shut us about to

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Speaker 2: Welcome to on sanction Thursday's a wrestling with Freday.

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Speaker 1: Hello friends, Welcome back to the show. We're here on

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Speaker 1: Unsanctioned Thursday, and I'm here with Jeff jackpot Die, the

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Speaker 1: one and only Freddy's right hand man in the show.

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Speaker 1: For the next couple of weeks, we're gonna be holding

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Speaker 1: it down. We're gonna be holding it down, and I

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Speaker 1: a producer and makeshift talent here bringing guests for us

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Speaker 1: to have on the show and make things really cool. Today, guys,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into what's happening. And we touched upon

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Speaker 1: this a few weeks back right here on Sanction Thursday.

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Speaker 1: But I want to kind of like come back to

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Speaker 1: let's talk about what's happening with us casual fans. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: maybe you could also let us know if you think

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Speaker 1: this is like hurting or what it's doing to the business.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about what's happening with ticket

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Speaker 1: pricing and you know, crowds in the arena. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about what happened is Friday night on SmackDown with an

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Speaker 1: of crazy to hear. But before we start, Jeff Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: what did you think about the whole series? Dodgers Toronto?

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Speaker 1: They went into super extra innings one night. I feel

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Speaker 1: bad for Don Mattingly still not getting his big chance,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, how.

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Speaker 3: Did you feel about the whole series?

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Speaker 2: Well, although I wasn't happy about it being the Blue

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Speaker 2: Jays and the Dodgers, that's a big part of it.

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Speaker 2: It's Blue Jays versus the Dodgers, So that's the part

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Speaker 2: I didn't like. That being said, it was a phenomenal

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Speaker 2: world series, probably one of the best world series is

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Speaker 2: in a long, long, long long time to go to

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Speaker 2: a game seven, to have so many games that were

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Speaker 2: extra innings, to have you know, busted bullpens, and then

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Speaker 2: ever position player to pitch in a World series because

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Speaker 2: it was just they were running out of pitchers.

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Speaker 4: We had one game that went like six hours.

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Speaker 2: So there's just so many interesting, cool baseball things about

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Speaker 2: the World Series. However, you know the monopoly, the one percenters,

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Speaker 2: the Kings. The Dodgers win the game, and that's very

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Speaker 2: very annoying and very very frustrating. Not only did they win,

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Speaker 2: but they went back to back. And you might say, well,

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Speaker 2: why does that matter, Jeff who cares well? This town

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Speaker 2: claims to hate monopolies and capitalism, and then they root

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Speaker 2: for the Dodgers, who literally bought a guy for a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars. The Boston Red Sox win the World Series,

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Speaker 2: they like, we'll take your best player, Mookie Bets. And

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Speaker 2: then the Braves win the World Series. They go, we'll

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Speaker 2: take your best player, Freddie Freeman. And then they go, oh, also,

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Speaker 2: we'll take the best three players that have ever came

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Speaker 2: take Tyler glass Now and Blake Snell, and like, they

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Speaker 2: just literally have the most stacked team in the history

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Speaker 2: of baseball. There's never been a more expensive team and

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Speaker 2: there's never been a better assembled lineup. So for them

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Speaker 2: to win two years in a row feels icky.

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Speaker 4: It feels wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's like sending out David and then Goliath just stomps him.

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Speaker 4: Immediately and blood.

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Speaker 2: Shoots out everyone and everyone goes. We were kind of

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Speaker 2: hoping the story would be David beats Goliath. So it

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Speaker 2: just that's what it feels like. Even though every game

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Speaker 1: It it was very entertaining not to mention that they

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Speaker 1: George stein Brenner into mid nineties, where they were buying

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Speaker 1: wearing Yankee jerseys. By the end of the season, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also that's why we hated the Yankees. So

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Speaker 4: That's what made everyone hate the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: So when will people stop hating the Yankees and start

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Speaker 2: hating the Dodgers because that is what the Dodgers are doing.

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Speaker 3: Freddy Friedman said it best.

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Speaker 1: He was like, we're chasing the Yankees as another team

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Speaker 4: So yeah, well we'll see. Well that'll be some changes,

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Speaker 1: The reason why I bring this up with the World

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Speaker 1: It's three am here in the East Coast when they

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Speaker 1: When I was looking at what, oh, I wonder what

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Baseball has never been the type of sport where tickets

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Speaker 1: family friendly. But those Game seven tickets were close to

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Speaker 1: almost three thousand dollars as an average, and the standing

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Speaker 1: only tickets were going for twelve hundred dollars. Okay, twelve

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars. This is kind of like, I guess the

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Speaker 1: way the world is going when it comes to events,

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Speaker 1: and it's affecting the things that we love, like professional wrestling.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the live business, real quick of professional wrestling.

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Speaker 1: This Friday, according to wrestle Tickes, they said that they

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Speaker 1: were was only four thousand over four thousand tickets distributed

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Speaker 1: this past Friday for Friday Night Smike that Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a little bit disturbing because we, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: I don't know does so I'll talk to you because

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Speaker 1: you're a comedian, You've done shows, you've done specials, you've

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Speaker 3: Here, is this a market thing?

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Speaker 1: Are the tickets that much more expensive at a Salt

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Speaker 3: Drive those tickets to be like that high? There?

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Speaker 2: Do you it?

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Speaker 3: Is it just a do you think that they're just

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Speaker 4: I don't even know how who decides those things?

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Speaker 2: Right, Like as far as like do do the does

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Speaker 2: much to make the price. Now that being said, comedy

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Speaker 4: But I mean, I think we've.

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Speaker 2: Got to let go of the idea that anything's ever

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Speaker 4: Again, I hate to say that, but.

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Speaker 2: Like baseball games have just gone up, football games have

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Speaker 4: Concert tickets.

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Speaker 2: I was crashing out on I was at a pool

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Speaker 2: Matt Rife tickets each, and I was I was venting,

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Speaker 2: and I looked like just a bitter comedian, like I

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Speaker 2: was just like a thousand dollars Like that's not you know,

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Speaker 4: It was no shade to Matt.

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Speaker 2: I love Matt, and they all were just like, listen

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Speaker 4: He's such a bitter little bit. You know, he's crying.

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Speaker 4: He must really have insecurities with Matt.

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Speaker 2: Right. But one of the things that the guy said

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Speaker 4: And I was like, I guess not. I haven't really

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Speaker 2: He's like, that's this is like, this is what things

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Speaker 3: And it's kind of crazy that you say that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen we've seen the with the TKO acquisition,

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Speaker 1: When he talks about what the pricing is and putting money,

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Speaker 1: you know, into the executive's pockets. He's way more knowledgeable

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Speaker 1: Their pay per views are being done in bigger stadiums

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Speaker 1: Dynamite and Collision are still being done in smaller arenas.

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Speaker 1: And now they tout themselves as having family friendly pricing.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to say this. A fan shared

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Speaker 1: that the s show did increase from one hundred and

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Speaker 1: two hundred and six percent increase, Right, So that's insane

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Speaker 1: to me. So we've seen both sides kind of like

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Speaker 1: the right move would be for WW, especially what just

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Speaker 1: happened in Salt Lake City was Yes, they're a hot commodity.

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Speaker 1: has been around for over sixty seventy eighty years, right,

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Speaker 1: so they're the ones we go to, right, And wrestling

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Speaker 1: NFL is made up of thirty odd teams, right, however

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Speaker 1: it is and each one says the pricing. We love

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Speaker 1: With wrestling, it's not like there's a you know, Pro

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Speaker 1: wrestling and then AW ANDWWE that go against each other. Right,

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Speaker 1: They're kind of just like out there on their own,

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Speaker 1: so it's hard went for the cash to kind of

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Speaker 1: and this could be a one off, maybe it'll happen again,

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Speaker 1: who knows, especially when the holidays coming, that maybe it

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Speaker 1: would be better if WWE does small arenas. I know

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Speaker 1: I missed this event. Because tickets were sold out, but

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Speaker 1: because it's a small arena, they sold out faster, which

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Speaker 1: is great. So you cause demand, Do you think that

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Speaker 1: would be the better way to go?

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Speaker 2: I don't really know the answer to that, because is

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Speaker 2: wrestling better when it's in a smaller market? When I

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Speaker 2: watch those NXT things and the wrestling fans, they're paying

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Speaker 2: attention more, But it does feel underwhelming because there's less people.

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Speaker 2: Some things feel better as a spectacle. So for stand

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Speaker 2: up comedy, which I always just associate everything back to

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Speaker 2: you because it's all I know, It's like, I think

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Speaker 2: smaller is better for stand up. You got like three

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Speaker 2: hundred and four hundred people in a room. It feels

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Speaker 2: like the environment is perfect for stand up. And as

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Speaker 2: it gets bigger and you start seeing stand up comedy

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Speaker 2: and arena, it loses its appeal. Sure, because it's just

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Speaker 2: one man talking, you're watching him on a monitor. It's

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Speaker 2: not the same wherew wrestling it does feel grandiose.

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Speaker 4: The bigger it is, Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: It does feel so I think maybe just do as

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Speaker 2: big A venues as they're doing, or even bigger venues.

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Speaker 2: But let's get that price down. Let's get everybody able

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Speaker 2: to get in. So like, let's make cheap seats, and

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Speaker 2: the people who buy the cheap seats, they're aware that

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Speaker 2: they didn't spend the same amount of money as the

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Speaker 4: But at least they got to be there. At least

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Speaker 4: they got to be a part of it.

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Speaker 2: At least they got to like see whoever they wanted

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Speaker 2: to see in person life.

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Speaker 4: I think that there should.

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Speaker 2: Be tears, you know, like like ten dollars seats and

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Speaker 2: like that. You know it's not going to be the

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Speaker 2: best view, but yet at least let them be a

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Speaker 4: And I think that would be a good way to

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe make those seats down there where those rich

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Speaker 2: fuckers are, maybe maybe double those Maybe you say, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, ten grand to be He was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you want to be front row, don't worry, we got

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Speaker 2: cheap seats for you if you want. But let those

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Speaker 2: rich people spend their rich person money and let the

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Speaker 2: let the people that don't have that money still be

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Speaker 1: Sure, I mean that's I mean, why not, right? I

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Speaker 1: mean they are allowed to do whatever they wanted. They're

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Speaker 1: doing it now. So and then I had one more

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Speaker 1: example where a fan spoke about getting the same seat

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Speaker 1: at a ww ROSS show which he bought for ninety

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Speaker 1: one dollars with fees, and then last year when he

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Speaker 1: went this year, when he went back to that same

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Speaker 1: arena to wash the show, it was two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty one dollars. So these chicken went on by almost

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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty dollars. It's it's hard, it's hard,

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Speaker 1: but I do think that, like you mentioned, aw did

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Speaker 1: this where they were doing the big arenas, and if

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Speaker 1: they just didn't sell out all eight thousand tickets, they

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Speaker 1: just scaled the place down right, Which on television, when

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Speaker 1: you have a camera, you're able to position it in

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Speaker 1: any way that you want. So if you have a

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Speaker 1: half a bowl that's full, no one, no one on

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Speaker 1: the TV world knows because you're you're you're at home

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Speaker 1: watching it and it feels good because pro wrestling is

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Speaker 1: more of a television show than it is you know,

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Speaker 1: a being there live half the time because you love

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Speaker 1: the entrances. Michael Cole has something to say, Taz has

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Speaker 1: something to say, you know, like if you want to

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Speaker 1: listen in so I agree with you. Let's do bigger shows.

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Speaker 1: Fill in the arena anyway we can. And if you

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Speaker 1: have tickets that you're not selling.

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Speaker 2: Don't tarp it off, sell it for twenty bus or something, yes,

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Speaker 2: or like there last minute. So a lot of wrestling

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Speaker 2: fans will start to go like, oh, I'm waiting till

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Speaker 2: the end because I heard that. If like, if it's

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Speaker 2: the week of you know, sometimes they release extra seats,

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Speaker 2: you know, for twenty bucks, so like, just just fill

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Speaker 2: it in.

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Speaker 3: I like that. I like that a lot.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, this has been our first on Section Thursday together.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be doing the next couple with you.

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Speaker 1: Let's hope you hear from from Freddie as well. We'll

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Speaker 1: insert whatever he has to say in here before we

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Speaker 1: get out of here.

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Speaker 3: What do you have plan?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: What's going on? Where are you going to be at

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Speaker 3: this weekend?

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying when this comes out, I don't know when

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Speaker 2: this comes out, but I's going to be in Denver, Denver,

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Speaker 2: Colorado at comedy works.

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Speaker 4: Come see me.

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Speaker 2: I'm at the Comedy Work South, which is in Greenwood Village.

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Speaker 2: Always love playing that club. It's going to be an

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Speaker 2: awesome time. I'll be there all weekend, and then from Denver,

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Speaker 2: I go to Austin, Texas, where I'll be on Joe

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Speaker 2: Rogan November eleventh.

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Speaker 4: Very excited for that.

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Speaker 2: I'll also be doing spots around there, and then from

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Speaker 2: there I go to New Orleans for Skankfest. And then

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Speaker 2: after New Orleans, I'll be in Australia, so you can

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Speaker 2: come see me in Perth, Sydney, Brisbane. I'll be doing

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Speaker 2: one of these episodes with you from Australia. I don't

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Speaker 2: even know the time difference, but we'll be figuring it

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Speaker 2: out and I will be with you, guys, no matter

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Speaker 2: what I do, because I love wrestling, and I love Freddy,

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Speaker 2: and I love Alex Cordoza and.

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Speaker 3: We love you.

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Speaker 1: And November eleventh, that's Veterans Day, so that's a cool

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Speaker 1: day to be on the Joe Rogan podcast and talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about whatever you're gonna be talking about.

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Speaker 3: Give us a Vesta shout outs. Don't tell them I

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Speaker 3: said that, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: Me and Joe love me and Joe a big America guys.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, this has been on sanctioned Thursdays. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you next week for even more wrestling with Right now,

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Speaker 1: with Friends with Jeff and I, the Ultimate tag team

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Speaker 1: will figure out we're going to do. Don't forget to repost,

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Speaker 1: love share, and make sure to follow us on the

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Speaker 1: Wrestling with Freddie official account on Instagram. And thank you

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Speaker 1: all for listening. Mad Here we out