1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:23,525 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Welcome to the final episode of Disorganized 2 00:00:23,565 --> 00:00:27,165 Speaker 1: Crime Smuggler's Daughter. Thanks for joining us on this long, 3 00:00:27,445 --> 00:00:32,525 Speaker 1: strange trip into the history of my family, past and subculture. 4 00:00:33,925 --> 00:00:37,325 Speaker 1: In the previous episode, my dad confessed a secret to 5 00:00:37,405 --> 00:00:41,445 Speaker 1: my mom he'd been holding for almost thirty years. In 6 00:00:41,565 --> 00:00:44,525 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, my senior year of high school, and 7 00:00:44,805 --> 00:00:48,325 Speaker 1: four years after my mom thought dad had retired from 8 00:00:48,325 --> 00:00:51,525 Speaker 1: outlaw life, my dad and his New York smuggling partner 9 00:00:51,645 --> 00:00:54,725 Speaker 1: High Fi loaded up a car with a RinkyDink smuggle 10 00:00:54,765 --> 00:00:57,805 Speaker 1: of fifty pounds of poor quality pot in the Midwest. 11 00:00:58,485 --> 00:01:02,245 Speaker 1: Soon after, Hi Fi was busted and his freedom ended 12 00:01:02,325 --> 00:01:06,925 Speaker 1: up costing HIGHI ten years of debt to the Mexican cartel. 13 00:01:08,605 --> 00:01:11,365 Speaker 1: Dad got out of pot smuggling a free man by 14 00:01:11,365 --> 00:01:15,805 Speaker 1: the skin of his teeth. Despite his arrest, High Fi, 15 00:01:16,045 --> 00:01:19,845 Speaker 1: a man of honor, never rolled on my parents. In 16 00:01:19,885 --> 00:01:22,725 Speaker 1: this episode, my parents speak to High Five for the 17 00:01:22,805 --> 00:01:30,325 Speaker 1: first time since nineteen ninety two. I'm Rainbow Valentine. This 18 00:01:30,485 --> 00:01:41,925 Speaker 1: is Disorganized Crime Smuggler's Daughter. Want to do young, free 19 00:01:41,965 --> 00:01:50,445 Speaker 1: and groovy. Making it up. We rolled along, running along 20 00:01:52,605 --> 00:02:02,925 Speaker 1: country he did in the Golden Gag State, making it 21 00:02:03,085 --> 00:02:20,045 Speaker 1: up as we roll, I had a great childhood because 22 00:02:20,085 --> 00:02:25,485 Speaker 1: I had wonderful, invested, supportive, loving parents, a stable home 23 00:02:25,525 --> 00:02:30,885 Speaker 1: and family, and the immense privilege of wealth which provided education, opportunity, 24 00:02:31,045 --> 00:02:34,845 Speaker 1: and freedom. I was a lucky child because my parents 25 00:02:34,885 --> 00:02:40,085 Speaker 1: were careful, industrious, and creative, along with her adrenaline loving 26 00:02:40,165 --> 00:02:45,725 Speaker 1: risk taking. Being blissfully unaware of my parents were pot smugglers, 27 00:02:45,925 --> 00:02:49,125 Speaker 1: I never felt burdened the way other children of smugglers, 28 00:02:49,205 --> 00:02:53,285 Speaker 1: privy to their parents illicit activities may have felt. My 29 00:02:53,325 --> 00:02:56,205 Speaker 1: big sister, Vertica, didn't want to speak on tape for 30 00:02:56,485 --> 00:03:00,605 Speaker 1: fear of hurting our parents feelings because for her, growing 31 00:03:00,685 --> 00:03:05,645 Speaker 1: up aware our parents were smugglers was difficult. Now this 32 00:03:05,725 --> 00:03:09,405 Speaker 1: podcast has prompted most of my childhood friends to reveal 33 00:03:09,605 --> 00:03:13,885 Speaker 1: they too are smuggler's kids or smuggler adjacent and one 34 00:03:13,885 --> 00:03:16,925 Speaker 1: of my oldest best friends, we'll call Saffron, is a 35 00:03:16,965 --> 00:03:20,765 Speaker 1: smuggler's daughter who was aware of her mom's unlawful occupation 36 00:03:21,125 --> 00:03:24,965 Speaker 1: like my older sister. Last time I was in California, 37 00:03:25,045 --> 00:03:27,925 Speaker 1: I sat down with Saffron, and although I've known Saffron 38 00:03:28,005 --> 00:03:33,125 Speaker 1: for forty years, I'd never heard these stories. Okay, so 39 00:03:33,165 --> 00:03:36,125 Speaker 1: I want to talk about you growing up with smuggler 40 00:03:36,205 --> 00:03:39,525 Speaker 1: parents and knowing having the knowledge as a child that 41 00:03:39,605 --> 00:03:41,765 Speaker 1: your parents were involved in this tree, which was not 42 00:03:41,805 --> 00:03:44,965 Speaker 1: my experience, but it was the experience my sister. So 43 00:03:45,005 --> 00:03:46,925 Speaker 1: I just want to tell me about that. Tell me 44 00:03:46,965 --> 00:03:53,485 Speaker 1: about So I did know. I knew two things. I 45 00:03:53,565 --> 00:03:58,045 Speaker 1: knew that both of my parents did drugs, because they 46 00:03:58,085 --> 00:04:00,085 Speaker 1: did them. I'm like in front of me. So it 47 00:04:00,165 --> 00:04:02,765 Speaker 1: was not there was nothing hidden in my world at all, 48 00:04:02,885 --> 00:04:08,485 Speaker 1: nothing at all. I guess I was aware of the smuggling. 49 00:04:08,565 --> 00:04:11,125 Speaker 1: I was aware of the smuggling because I remember having 50 00:04:11,205 --> 00:04:15,565 Speaker 1: kind of an underlying sense of fear all the time. 51 00:04:16,645 --> 00:04:21,085 Speaker 1: I remember I got a note sent home to my 52 00:04:21,325 --> 00:04:25,965 Speaker 1: biological father, um, and it was spelled the wrong way, 53 00:04:26,125 --> 00:04:28,485 Speaker 1: and the way they spelled it was the name of 54 00:04:28,525 --> 00:04:35,165 Speaker 1: a federal agency, and so I freaked out because I 55 00:04:35,205 --> 00:04:38,045 Speaker 1: thought that it was about that agency and that they 56 00:04:38,045 --> 00:04:45,965 Speaker 1: were after us. I was like, it's first grade or 57 00:04:45,965 --> 00:04:48,765 Speaker 1: something at that point. Yeah. Um, but yeah, So I 58 00:04:48,805 --> 00:04:53,485 Speaker 1: remember sort of a constant underlying sense of fear or 59 00:04:53,565 --> 00:04:58,165 Speaker 1: dread or concern, you know, like knowing that that something 60 00:04:58,645 --> 00:05:01,205 Speaker 1: was not right and knowing that like at a at 61 00:05:01,245 --> 00:05:03,565 Speaker 1: a legal level, but then also knowing it at a 62 00:05:04,325 --> 00:05:08,125 Speaker 1: um the functionality of my parents' level, like they were 63 00:05:08,485 --> 00:05:13,605 Speaker 1: inebriated a lot of the time, and so that created challenges, 64 00:05:14,205 --> 00:05:18,085 Speaker 1: and also knowing it at a very practical level, like 65 00:05:18,125 --> 00:05:21,445 Speaker 1: when I would bring a friend over, I would have 66 00:05:21,485 --> 00:05:24,005 Speaker 1: to make them wait at the door so I could 67 00:05:24,165 --> 00:05:26,485 Speaker 1: run up and put away all the drugs that were 68 00:05:26,645 --> 00:05:30,445 Speaker 1: upstairs in our house. And I was always afraid that 69 00:05:30,525 --> 00:05:33,045 Speaker 1: a friend would see the drugs. It was only later 70 00:05:33,125 --> 00:05:36,325 Speaker 1: that I learned. In fact, it was only really recently 71 00:05:36,365 --> 00:05:40,565 Speaker 1: that I learned that so many of my friends parents 72 00:05:40,645 --> 00:05:44,325 Speaker 1: were doing drugs. And I had no idea. Yeah, you 73 00:05:44,365 --> 00:05:49,285 Speaker 1: didn't described to me, like sitting on bals of pot. Yeah, 74 00:05:49,325 --> 00:05:53,245 Speaker 1: when I was really little, like for maybe our house 75 00:05:53,245 --> 00:05:55,765 Speaker 1: didn't have very much furniture, but there were bales of 76 00:05:55,845 --> 00:06:01,405 Speaker 1: pot that were like our seats and our table. Yeah, 77 00:06:01,485 --> 00:06:04,085 Speaker 1: that was to me, that was normal. Like I didn't 78 00:06:04,125 --> 00:06:08,285 Speaker 1: I didn't really have any judgment about the stuff itself, 79 00:06:08,285 --> 00:06:11,965 Speaker 1: except that I knew societally it was bad, and I 80 00:06:12,045 --> 00:06:15,085 Speaker 1: knew that. I got really annoyed when my parents were stoned, 81 00:06:15,205 --> 00:06:17,965 Speaker 1: and I would call them stoned old people because they 82 00:06:18,005 --> 00:06:21,245 Speaker 1: would make me crazy because they were stupid as I 83 00:06:21,285 --> 00:06:30,685 Speaker 1: perceived it. While Saffron and I both come from psychedelic pioneers, 84 00:06:31,005 --> 00:06:34,405 Speaker 1: a lot of her experiences were shaped, unlike me, by 85 00:06:34,445 --> 00:06:37,765 Speaker 1: parents with addiction. For many years, her mom was an 86 00:06:37,765 --> 00:06:42,205 Speaker 1: addict and her biological father was mentally unstable, and her 87 00:06:42,205 --> 00:06:46,005 Speaker 1: parents were into cocaine as well as pot, so Saffron's 88 00:06:46,085 --> 00:06:49,445 Speaker 1: childhood is sprinkled with more danger and risk than mine. 89 00:06:50,045 --> 00:06:53,285 Speaker 1: Her mom regularly took her to the interior Amazon jungle 90 00:06:53,565 --> 00:06:56,965 Speaker 1: where her biological father lived, and being a single parent, 91 00:06:57,085 --> 00:06:59,325 Speaker 1: her mom would now and again take Saffron to work 92 00:06:59,365 --> 00:07:04,005 Speaker 1: with her, meaning gope do deals. Saffron remembers accompanying her 93 00:07:04,045 --> 00:07:06,845 Speaker 1: mom to various marine homes, sitting in a corner and 94 00:07:06,885 --> 00:07:10,085 Speaker 1: reading books about horses while her mom and colleagues would 95 00:07:10,125 --> 00:07:16,285 Speaker 1: conduct business aka drug deals smuggled for How did you know? 96 00:07:17,445 --> 00:07:20,605 Speaker 1: This is the whole child? So, I guess I don't 97 00:07:20,645 --> 00:07:23,645 Speaker 1: know if this is a specious distinction, but I actually 98 00:07:23,685 --> 00:07:27,485 Speaker 1: make a distinction between smuggling and dealing to My dad 99 00:07:27,565 --> 00:07:29,885 Speaker 1: was never a dealer. Yeah, so my mother was a 100 00:07:29,965 --> 00:07:32,645 Speaker 1: dealer most of my life. I think she only smuggled 101 00:07:32,645 --> 00:07:35,845 Speaker 1: for a little while when I was really young and 102 00:07:35,885 --> 00:07:39,565 Speaker 1: when we were going back and forth from South America. 103 00:07:39,725 --> 00:07:42,805 Speaker 1: So Saffron's mom was a dealer, which means she was 104 00:07:42,885 --> 00:07:47,005 Speaker 1: selling much smaller quantities than my dad, a distributor who 105 00:07:47,045 --> 00:07:50,325 Speaker 1: was selling quantities in the thousands of pounds. Saffron's mom 106 00:07:50,365 --> 00:07:53,525 Speaker 1: was probably working in the twenty pounds to one hundred pounds. 107 00:07:54,325 --> 00:07:58,005 Speaker 1: Saffron's mom also dealt cocaine in addition to pot, whereas 108 00:07:58,045 --> 00:08:00,685 Speaker 1: my dad only distributed pot except for that one time 109 00:08:00,725 --> 00:08:06,165 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two with a Rose Cooke. Saffron and 110 00:08:06,205 --> 00:08:10,645 Speaker 1: I started talking about moneycause I didn't really put money 111 00:08:10,725 --> 00:08:15,325 Speaker 1: together with pot as a kid. Oh no, I do. 112 00:08:15,445 --> 00:08:18,765 Speaker 1: I knew money was associated with drugs because I remember 113 00:08:18,845 --> 00:08:21,645 Speaker 1: this one time that my mother had done a particularly 114 00:08:21,725 --> 00:08:24,485 Speaker 1: large deal and she was talking to me about what 115 00:08:24,485 --> 00:08:31,085 Speaker 1: we should do with the money. Oh, I was somewhere 116 00:08:31,125 --> 00:08:35,365 Speaker 1: between eight and twelve. I always felt like we had enough. 117 00:08:35,805 --> 00:08:38,365 Speaker 1: It didn't feel like we didn't. I didn't feel like 118 00:08:38,405 --> 00:08:40,725 Speaker 1: we're rich. And part of it was also that she 119 00:08:40,805 --> 00:08:44,525 Speaker 1: was a single mom, so it was there was a 120 00:08:44,565 --> 00:08:47,805 Speaker 1: bit of struggle in there, but nothing, not not real struggle. 121 00:08:47,885 --> 00:08:49,845 Speaker 1: You know, we had a house and all of that. 122 00:08:50,565 --> 00:08:53,845 Speaker 1: I asked what happened with her biological father. We hadn't 123 00:08:53,845 --> 00:08:56,685 Speaker 1: talked about it much growing up. So what would happen 124 00:08:56,885 --> 00:08:59,925 Speaker 1: was my biological father. She'd send me down there to 125 00:08:59,965 --> 00:09:03,125 Speaker 1: live with him and with a round trip ticket, and 126 00:09:03,165 --> 00:09:07,325 Speaker 1: then he would herself. Have I not shown you those photos? 127 00:09:07,365 --> 00:09:10,805 Speaker 1: I have amazing photos of me, like with with shapebo 128 00:09:10,925 --> 00:09:17,045 Speaker 1: Amazonian spears on the airplane. I think in that I 129 00:09:17,085 --> 00:09:20,525 Speaker 1: was like six, Oh my god. Yeah, but she would 130 00:09:20,765 --> 00:09:23,205 Speaker 1: she would send me down. I went down a couple times. 131 00:09:23,245 --> 00:09:26,205 Speaker 1: I don't remember how many, but I remember at least once, 132 00:09:26,245 --> 00:09:28,965 Speaker 1: and I think more than that. My father sold the 133 00:09:29,005 --> 00:09:34,045 Speaker 1: plane ticket m probably for drugs and so so yes, 134 00:09:34,285 --> 00:09:37,045 Speaker 1: so she had to come down and get I mean 135 00:09:37,165 --> 00:09:39,765 Speaker 1: essentially he kidnapped me sort of depending on how you 136 00:09:39,805 --> 00:09:42,005 Speaker 1: look at it, and so she would have to come 137 00:09:42,005 --> 00:09:43,925 Speaker 1: down and get me. So, you know, they were both 138 00:09:43,965 --> 00:09:46,325 Speaker 1: like super coked up. I remember I had this very 139 00:09:46,445 --> 00:09:49,765 Speaker 1: vivid memory if she came down to get me, and 140 00:09:49,845 --> 00:09:52,285 Speaker 1: we were I don't I don't remember where we were, 141 00:09:52,445 --> 00:09:54,325 Speaker 1: but we were in a hotel room and it was 142 00:09:54,405 --> 00:09:57,925 Speaker 1: very white, and they got in a fight and he 143 00:09:58,245 --> 00:10:01,845 Speaker 1: threw a hairbrush at her and it hit her nose 144 00:10:02,085 --> 00:10:05,325 Speaker 1: and because she was so coked up that blood just 145 00:10:05,525 --> 00:10:09,245 Speaker 1: bladdered everywhere. Um yeah, it was that was horrible. That 146 00:10:09,325 --> 00:10:13,005 Speaker 1: was definitely not a good not a good memory. But anyway, 147 00:10:13,045 --> 00:10:15,485 Speaker 1: so she would come and take me home. And then 148 00:10:16,525 --> 00:10:19,765 Speaker 1: we moved from Mill Valley out way out to West 149 00:10:19,805 --> 00:10:27,365 Speaker 1: Morin and my biological father was arrested for dealing or 150 00:10:27,405 --> 00:10:30,565 Speaker 1: something in Peru and went to a Peruvian jail when 151 00:10:30,565 --> 00:10:33,205 Speaker 1: I was eight. Then he and I would write letters 152 00:10:33,245 --> 00:10:38,445 Speaker 1: to each other. Then um, well, he had such a 153 00:10:38,445 --> 00:10:42,005 Speaker 1: crazy story, so he went to jail, and then somehow 154 00:10:42,125 --> 00:10:45,685 Speaker 1: he managed to get married in jail to the woman 155 00:10:45,725 --> 00:10:48,925 Speaker 1: that he'd been arrested with, and then because of that, 156 00:10:49,085 --> 00:10:51,645 Speaker 1: they sent him off to live in the middle of 157 00:10:51,685 --> 00:10:54,725 Speaker 1: the jungle, like weeks from nowhere. So he was out 158 00:10:54,725 --> 00:10:56,805 Speaker 1: of jail, but he was in the middle of nowhere 159 00:10:56,885 --> 00:11:00,565 Speaker 1: with this woman and then on a finko, which is 160 00:11:00,645 --> 00:11:04,965 Speaker 1: means a farm, and then they managed to escape from 161 00:11:05,045 --> 00:11:09,605 Speaker 1: there somehow, and they got up to Mexico. And then 162 00:11:09,805 --> 00:11:11,725 Speaker 1: that was when I was sixteen, and I went down 163 00:11:11,765 --> 00:11:15,365 Speaker 1: to visit my father, thinking that his wife would be 164 00:11:15,405 --> 00:11:19,165 Speaker 1: there and so he would be somewhat sane. But I 165 00:11:19,205 --> 00:11:21,485 Speaker 1: was very wrong. I got there and his wife had 166 00:11:21,525 --> 00:11:23,525 Speaker 1: just left him two weeks before, and he was a 167 00:11:23,605 --> 00:11:26,925 Speaker 1: total lunatic, but he wasn't dealing drugs at that point. 168 00:11:27,485 --> 00:11:30,125 Speaker 1: But yeah, so that was like a very real consequence 169 00:11:30,125 --> 00:11:32,525 Speaker 1: of the drugs. There were no consequences ever with my 170 00:11:32,605 --> 00:11:36,605 Speaker 1: mother because she was never caught. Today, Saffron has a 171 00:11:36,725 --> 00:11:39,125 Speaker 1: much better understanding of her mom and a lot of 172 00:11:39,165 --> 00:11:43,005 Speaker 1: respect for her. She admires her mom's ability to survive 173 00:11:43,085 --> 00:11:47,485 Speaker 1: as a single mom and eventually get sober, because ultimately, 174 00:11:47,725 --> 00:11:51,285 Speaker 1: Saffron understands her mom did the best she could at 175 00:11:51,285 --> 00:11:54,525 Speaker 1: the moment, and everyone is making it up as they 176 00:11:54,645 --> 00:12:00,245 Speaker 1: roll along. In my case, with my mother, I always 177 00:12:00,325 --> 00:12:02,805 Speaker 1: knew no matter what, that she loved me like that 178 00:12:02,925 --> 00:12:07,045 Speaker 1: was never a question for me. But she was crazy. 179 00:12:07,205 --> 00:12:08,725 Speaker 1: I mean that's sort of how I saw it, as 180 00:12:08,725 --> 00:12:11,365 Speaker 1: she was crazy, And as I've gotten older, I've come 181 00:12:11,405 --> 00:12:14,525 Speaker 1: to see it as she was doing the best she could. 182 00:12:14,845 --> 00:12:19,245 Speaker 1: She you know, she was she was trying to provide 183 00:12:20,125 --> 00:12:24,525 Speaker 1: and um, she's sort of naturally risk the opposite of 184 00:12:24,605 --> 00:12:30,565 Speaker 1: risk averse risk compelled. Yeah, so she there was something 185 00:12:30,605 --> 00:12:33,045 Speaker 1: about that that she liked. And I also think she 186 00:12:33,245 --> 00:12:37,805 Speaker 1: liked being a woman in a sort of largely male 187 00:12:37,885 --> 00:12:42,605 Speaker 1: dominated world, and it was also a big sort of 188 00:12:42,685 --> 00:12:45,685 Speaker 1: fu to the societal norms. It was, you know, I'm 189 00:12:45,725 --> 00:12:49,085 Speaker 1: not good because she had a pretty um, pretty uh 190 00:12:49,565 --> 00:12:54,325 Speaker 1: not standard, but a pretty impressive academic, you know, pedigree, 191 00:12:54,605 --> 00:12:57,245 Speaker 1: and she was super smart, and she could have done 192 00:12:57,245 --> 00:12:59,685 Speaker 1: a lot of things, but she she didn't want to 193 00:12:59,725 --> 00:13:02,245 Speaker 1: do those things. Was part of the you know, the counterculture. 194 00:13:03,805 --> 00:13:07,125 Speaker 1: Saffron recently told me she always envied my family life 195 00:13:07,125 --> 00:13:10,845 Speaker 1: because it appeared un chaotic compared to hers. Of course, 196 00:13:10,885 --> 00:13:13,125 Speaker 1: she didn't know my dad was a smuggler like her mom, 197 00:13:13,565 --> 00:13:16,245 Speaker 1: so to her, my parents appeared to be law abiding 198 00:13:16,285 --> 00:13:21,405 Speaker 1: and normal. Saffron points out that I enjoyed the best 199 00:13:21,485 --> 00:13:24,925 Speaker 1: parts of being a smuggler's daughter, a childhood of great 200 00:13:24,965 --> 00:13:30,085 Speaker 1: abundance and free of adult worries. Now. Like several of 201 00:13:30,085 --> 00:13:35,525 Speaker 1: my hippie kid friends, Saffron experienced psychedelics in childhood, and 202 00:13:35,645 --> 00:13:38,125 Speaker 1: while she looks back at those events with some distress, 203 00:13:38,685 --> 00:13:43,485 Speaker 1: she also believes taking psychedelics in childhood had benefits, revealing 204 00:13:43,485 --> 00:13:47,085 Speaker 1: to her at an early age the comforting, harmonic unity 205 00:13:47,125 --> 00:13:50,405 Speaker 1: of humans and nature. Oh, I think I was talking 206 00:13:50,445 --> 00:13:54,245 Speaker 1: to my mother about like the first time that I 207 00:13:54,285 --> 00:13:59,405 Speaker 1: did mushrooms and she said, well, actually, and I said yeah, 208 00:13:59,525 --> 00:14:01,805 Speaker 1: and she said, actually, the first time you did mushrooms 209 00:14:01,805 --> 00:14:06,845 Speaker 1: you were about two, isn't really And she said, yeah. 210 00:14:06,925 --> 00:14:08,965 Speaker 1: We had just they were living on a commune in 211 00:14:08,965 --> 00:14:12,205 Speaker 1: South America and they had just cooked up first of all, 212 00:14:12,205 --> 00:14:15,285 Speaker 1: I don't even understand, like why you would have mushrooms 213 00:14:15,285 --> 00:14:17,765 Speaker 1: this way, but they had cooked up a magic mushroom omelet. 214 00:14:18,445 --> 00:14:21,405 Speaker 1: And I had toddled into the kitchen and I just 215 00:14:22,405 --> 00:14:28,885 Speaker 1: only ate the entire thing, That's what she says. And 216 00:14:29,085 --> 00:14:31,845 Speaker 1: so I said what happened? Like what do you do 217 00:14:31,525 --> 00:14:34,365 Speaker 1: you do? And she said that she took me down 218 00:14:34,365 --> 00:14:37,645 Speaker 1: to the river and just held me for like four hours, 219 00:14:37,725 --> 00:14:41,285 Speaker 1: and I just kind of stared at the water and 220 00:14:41,325 --> 00:14:43,125 Speaker 1: she said I was fine, She said, I was happy. 221 00:14:43,165 --> 00:14:47,645 Speaker 1: It was all okay. And then my my biological father 222 00:14:47,965 --> 00:14:52,085 Speaker 1: also wanted me to be part of the experience. And 223 00:14:52,205 --> 00:14:56,285 Speaker 1: so when I was like four and five, I participated 224 00:14:56,325 --> 00:15:04,565 Speaker 1: in several ayahuasca ceremonies. Do you not know this I need? Yeah, yeah, 225 00:15:04,605 --> 00:15:09,685 Speaker 1: so I purchased. Uh, now I don't, I don't. I 226 00:15:09,685 --> 00:15:11,565 Speaker 1: don't think I took acid when I was a little child. 227 00:15:12,965 --> 00:15:16,125 Speaker 1: That's quite a statement to me, but it's also like 228 00:15:16,845 --> 00:15:18,765 Speaker 1: normal state. You just sound like it didn't phase me. 229 00:15:21,525 --> 00:15:25,605 Speaker 1: M But I you know, at some level. Just last year, 230 00:15:25,685 --> 00:15:28,685 Speaker 1: I was talking to a fellow mom about this, and 231 00:15:28,725 --> 00:15:33,405 Speaker 1: I realized that I think that maybe the combination of 232 00:15:33,485 --> 00:15:37,285 Speaker 1: the mushrooms and the ayahuasca, Like it's always been just 233 00:15:37,645 --> 00:15:40,845 Speaker 1: fundamentally clear to me that everything is connected, that all 234 00:15:40,925 --> 00:15:43,725 Speaker 1: humans are connected, that we're connected to nature. That's never 235 00:15:43,765 --> 00:15:46,485 Speaker 1: been that like, I never had a revelation about that. 236 00:15:46,485 --> 00:15:48,965 Speaker 1: That was just the way it is. And it has 237 00:15:49,005 --> 00:15:52,925 Speaker 1: occurred to me that maybe those early psychedelic experiences, like 238 00:15:52,925 --> 00:15:56,045 Speaker 1: because that's what people say psychedelics experiences do, right, They 239 00:15:56,085 --> 00:15:59,645 Speaker 1: open your mind, Yeah yeah, and they open your mind 240 00:15:59,645 --> 00:16:02,525 Speaker 1: to that, and so the kind of um, while I 241 00:16:02,565 --> 00:16:05,085 Speaker 1: spent a lot of my young adulthood, my teens and 242 00:16:05,125 --> 00:16:09,205 Speaker 1: young eulthood being you know, fairly pissed off about the 243 00:16:09,365 --> 00:16:11,565 Speaker 1: neglect what I considered to be the neglect. And I 244 00:16:11,645 --> 00:16:14,525 Speaker 1: am not advocating this as a parenting philosophy, and I 245 00:16:14,605 --> 00:16:19,085 Speaker 1: have not exposed my children as psychedelics. But but you're right, 246 00:16:19,605 --> 00:16:22,965 Speaker 1: but I do part of me thinks that maybe that 247 00:16:23,365 --> 00:16:27,005 Speaker 1: having those early psychedelic experiences contributed to that understanding is 248 00:16:27,045 --> 00:16:32,325 Speaker 1: my only point. I did remember this, I do, yes, 249 00:16:32,445 --> 00:16:35,405 Speaker 1: I do so, particularly so the so the you know, 250 00:16:35,405 --> 00:16:38,445 Speaker 1: we would all lie around um in the brucho who 251 00:16:38,485 --> 00:16:43,285 Speaker 1: was the leader of it, in his hut basically, and 252 00:16:43,645 --> 00:16:48,045 Speaker 1: one time I usually got a kiddies gored um, which 253 00:16:48,245 --> 00:17:01,765 Speaker 1: was swearing a god children. It was just me, that's yeah, 254 00:17:01,765 --> 00:17:06,965 Speaker 1: that's what I remember. Yeah, yeah. But one time I 255 00:17:07,045 --> 00:17:11,645 Speaker 1: drank from the from the grown up score, and what 256 00:17:11,685 --> 00:17:16,525 Speaker 1: I remember of it was that my father found me 257 00:17:16,965 --> 00:17:21,325 Speaker 1: far away from the hut. I had wandered away, and 258 00:17:21,485 --> 00:17:24,005 Speaker 1: what I told him was that I was in a 259 00:17:24,125 --> 00:17:31,685 Speaker 1: bombed out building in Dresden. In Dresden, mind you, yeah, yeah, 260 00:17:31,725 --> 00:17:34,285 Speaker 1: and that I was next but wait, it gets even muder. 261 00:17:34,325 --> 00:17:37,445 Speaker 1: I was next to a surgical operating table. But it 262 00:17:37,525 --> 00:17:46,485 Speaker 1: was all okay because because Frosty the snowman, what's with me? Yeah, 263 00:17:46,645 --> 00:17:55,965 Speaker 1: isn't that trippy? My hippy childhood home life was suburban 264 00:17:56,165 --> 00:18:01,765 Speaker 1: compared to Staffron's cinematic psychedelic adventures, affirming my parents dedication 265 00:18:01,845 --> 00:18:08,285 Speaker 1: to stabilly routine remaining invisible in order to successfully conduct business. 266 00:18:09,605 --> 00:18:12,965 Speaker 1: Saffron's stories remind me how valuable it was to be 267 00:18:13,085 --> 00:18:17,285 Speaker 1: unaware of my parents in legal activities and how valuable 268 00:18:17,285 --> 00:18:22,885 Speaker 1: their sobriety was. I'm Rainbow Valentine and this is disorganized crime. 269 00:18:23,005 --> 00:18:34,605 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. After Reagan's Anti Drug Abuse Act 270 00:18:34,725 --> 00:18:38,205 Speaker 1: Laws of eighty six and eighty eight, the three Strikes 271 00:18:38,245 --> 00:18:42,005 Speaker 1: Your outlaw was passed in Washington State in nineteen ninety three, 272 00:18:42,405 --> 00:18:47,125 Speaker 1: followed by California in nineteen ninety four. The three strikes 273 00:18:47,205 --> 00:18:51,485 Speaker 1: law significantly increases prison sentences of people convicted of a 274 00:18:51,565 --> 00:18:55,725 Speaker 1: felony who've been previously convicted of two or more violent 275 00:18:55,765 --> 00:19:00,245 Speaker 1: crimes or felonies, and limits the ability of these offenders 276 00:19:00,245 --> 00:19:04,965 Speaker 1: to receive a punishment other than a life sentence. Now, 277 00:19:05,005 --> 00:19:09,685 Speaker 1: possess sing marijuana is still a felony, although it's gradually 278 00:19:09,685 --> 00:19:13,885 Speaker 1: being decriminalized state by state, city by city. There are 279 00:19:13,925 --> 00:19:17,725 Speaker 1: a huge number of people in prison for life because 280 00:19:17,765 --> 00:19:23,925 Speaker 1: their third strike felony was possessing pot. Here's our cannabis lawyer, 281 00:19:23,925 --> 00:19:27,405 Speaker 1: Bill Panzer telling me about three strikes and its ramifications. 282 00:19:27,885 --> 00:19:32,165 Speaker 1: So what happened. What was the consequence of the three 283 00:19:32,165 --> 00:19:36,685 Speaker 1: strikes law in California. Well, it's among other things, you know, 284 00:19:37,085 --> 00:19:39,285 Speaker 1: for other reasons too, it it was filling up the prisons. 285 00:19:40,765 --> 00:19:46,325 Speaker 1: Of course, you know, it gets applied inequally. I mean, 286 00:19:46,325 --> 00:19:49,005 Speaker 1: if you look at percentage of non white people to 287 00:19:49,085 --> 00:19:52,685 Speaker 1: white people in the general population, and then you look 288 00:19:52,685 --> 00:19:56,405 Speaker 1: at percentage in the prison population, they ain't the same, 289 00:19:57,165 --> 00:20:00,365 Speaker 1: right you know, if you have you know, color is 290 00:20:00,845 --> 00:20:03,645 Speaker 1: critical here. But the color that's critical is not white 291 00:20:03,725 --> 00:20:08,325 Speaker 1: or black. Color. It's critical is green money. And if 292 00:20:08,325 --> 00:20:11,885 Speaker 1: you've got the money to afford representation and afford a 293 00:20:11,925 --> 00:20:13,925 Speaker 1: good lawyer and all that, you're bound to do a 294 00:20:13,925 --> 00:20:18,525 Speaker 1: lot better now. Because of very socioeconomic factors in the 295 00:20:18,565 --> 00:20:21,405 Speaker 1: last two hundred years in this country, there's a strong 296 00:20:21,445 --> 00:20:25,205 Speaker 1: correlation between people with money and white people, and people 297 00:20:25,205 --> 00:20:28,645 Speaker 1: without money and people of color. Today, while it's still 298 00:20:28,765 --> 00:20:32,285 Speaker 1: federally a Schedule one drug and possessing it a felony, 299 00:20:32,725 --> 00:20:39,725 Speaker 1: eleven states have decriminalized cannabis. However, unfortunately, legalization has come 300 00:20:39,765 --> 00:20:45,205 Speaker 1: with big corporations and big money crushing small family farms, 301 00:20:45,645 --> 00:20:50,485 Speaker 1: destroy the economics of small towns reliant on the pot industry, 302 00:20:50,765 --> 00:20:56,565 Speaker 1: including much of northern California. Today, many towns in California's 303 00:20:56,605 --> 00:21:00,565 Speaker 1: Mendocino and Humboldt Counties once thriving with pot prosperity of 304 00:21:00,565 --> 00:21:05,245 Speaker 1: the black market, are struggling with joblessness and poverty, manifesting 305 00:21:05,245 --> 00:21:09,405 Speaker 1: an empty scorefronts throughout the Emerald Triangle, the region's nickname, 306 00:21:15,245 --> 00:21:19,645 Speaker 1: so obviously, cannabis is part of the fabric of northern California, 307 00:21:20,125 --> 00:21:30,365 Speaker 1: which brings me back to my pot smuggling parents. So 308 00:21:30,485 --> 00:21:34,685 Speaker 1: after my dad quit smuggling, the nineties were tough financially 309 00:21:35,085 --> 00:21:39,405 Speaker 1: and it took a mental toll, but fortuitously Marine County 310 00:21:39,485 --> 00:21:43,205 Speaker 1: real estate appreciated and my parents were able to live 311 00:21:43,285 --> 00:21:47,045 Speaker 1: off their only asset, our Mill Valley home, until my 312 00:21:47,125 --> 00:21:52,005 Speaker 1: dad successfully built his own legal business in sales. The 313 00:21:52,125 --> 00:21:55,805 Speaker 1: Mill Valley house and its continuously growing value, was like 314 00:21:55,845 --> 00:21:59,565 Speaker 1: a bank account for many years until the economy crashed 315 00:21:59,605 --> 00:22:02,285 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight when my parents lost it, 316 00:22:03,005 --> 00:22:07,525 Speaker 1: but their positive outlook and cical thinking skills enabled them 317 00:22:07,525 --> 00:22:14,925 Speaker 1: to move forward without regret. Mill Valley and Marin County 318 00:22:15,045 --> 00:22:19,165 Speaker 1: have changed from home spun hippie hamlets to uber wealthy 319 00:22:19,325 --> 00:22:23,765 Speaker 1: enclaves of investment bankers and techies, displacing my family along 320 00:22:23,765 --> 00:22:27,245 Speaker 1: with many psychedelic pioneers who moved further north to Sonoma 321 00:22:27,365 --> 00:22:32,565 Speaker 1: Mendesino and Humboldt Counties and the Pacific Northwest. In the 322 00:22:32,645 --> 00:22:36,085 Speaker 1: thirty years since my dad quits smuggling, he's lost and 323 00:22:36,205 --> 00:22:40,805 Speaker 1: rebuilt everything at least three times, because even though he 324 00:22:40,885 --> 00:22:44,565 Speaker 1: quits smuggling, he never lost his love of the adrenaline 325 00:22:44,605 --> 00:22:50,245 Speaker 1: rush from financial risk taking. For years, Dad, accustomed to 326 00:22:50,325 --> 00:22:54,645 Speaker 1: playing with money like monopoly, couldn't resist investing in various 327 00:22:54,685 --> 00:23:01,165 Speaker 1: smooth talking scam artists and doomed entrepreneurs. In the early 328 00:23:01,205 --> 00:23:06,365 Speaker 1: two thousands, my parents finally got married to each other grandparents, 329 00:23:06,525 --> 00:23:11,685 Speaker 1: and reinvented themselves in hospitality. Today they're in their seventies 330 00:23:11,885 --> 00:23:15,965 Speaker 1: and once again emerging from total economic loss and starting 331 00:23:15,965 --> 00:23:21,285 Speaker 1: a new business. They are tenacious, industrious, visionary, humpty dumpties 332 00:23:21,565 --> 00:23:24,925 Speaker 1: with absurd senses of humor, and in the darkest days, 333 00:23:25,325 --> 00:23:32,925 Speaker 1: their cup remains half full. I'm at their house in 334 00:23:32,925 --> 00:23:36,485 Speaker 1: northern California, and it's shortly after my dad revealed to 335 00:23:36,485 --> 00:23:39,205 Speaker 1: my mom that his smuggling partner High Fi, had been 336 00:23:39,245 --> 00:23:42,525 Speaker 1: busted in nineteen ninety two, a secret Dad buried for 337 00:23:42,525 --> 00:23:47,085 Speaker 1: almost thirty years. So Dad's confession propelled my parents to 338 00:23:47,205 --> 00:23:51,525 Speaker 1: call Hi Fi to make amends. And incredibly I got 339 00:23:51,525 --> 00:23:53,885 Speaker 1: to be a fly on the wall for the singular moment. 340 00:23:55,285 --> 00:23:58,525 Speaker 1: This is the first time they've spoken in twenty seven years. 341 00:24:00,245 --> 00:24:03,125 Speaker 1: Not realizing my parents had begun the call with Hi Fi, 342 00:24:03,445 --> 00:24:07,805 Speaker 1: I started recording midway through or conversation. After Hi Fi's 343 00:24:07,845 --> 00:24:11,685 Speaker 1: initial surprise adhering from my dad passed. You might hear 344 00:24:11,725 --> 00:24:15,685 Speaker 1: a buzz as technology, like people is imperfect. We just 345 00:24:15,845 --> 00:24:24,245 Speaker 1: got through talking about you and my whatever's so oh fuck, 346 00:24:24,325 --> 00:24:29,725 Speaker 1: oh oh fuck. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorged. It's 347 00:24:29,765 --> 00:24:33,685 Speaker 1: such a like rapture of life. We couldn't help you. 348 00:24:34,725 --> 00:24:37,885 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just crazy. Yeah, I couldn't tell her. 349 00:24:37,925 --> 00:24:43,485 Speaker 1: I was I was too embarrassed and whatever. It's no excuse. 350 00:24:43,565 --> 00:24:45,605 Speaker 1: I don't have any excuse for it other than I 351 00:24:45,645 --> 00:24:49,085 Speaker 1: didn't tell her until just now. And it's it's kind 352 00:24:49,085 --> 00:24:58,405 Speaker 1: of a good thing you feel at Listen, I fucked 353 00:24:58,485 --> 00:25:02,125 Speaker 1: up big time. That that doesn't give you back. Your 354 00:25:02,645 --> 00:25:07,885 Speaker 1: life goes and number one, you know, that's it, that's 355 00:25:08,005 --> 00:25:11,085 Speaker 1: that's gone. You know, it wasn't you know, will never 356 00:25:11,165 --> 00:25:15,085 Speaker 1: be Oh boy, Yeah, I don't know how you got 357 00:25:15,125 --> 00:25:20,565 Speaker 1: through that. Well, it was it was, it was, it 358 00:25:20,605 --> 00:25:25,365 Speaker 1: was a challenge if it kind of snowballed. And that 359 00:25:25,605 --> 00:25:30,365 Speaker 1: is only one facet of oh no, of my, my, 360 00:25:30,365 --> 00:25:35,125 Speaker 1: my downward slide. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, one one 361 00:25:35,125 --> 00:25:38,245 Speaker 1: thing left through another and it kind of you know, 362 00:25:38,365 --> 00:25:41,445 Speaker 1: there was the immediate problem, but there were there were 363 00:25:41,485 --> 00:25:48,925 Speaker 1: other other things that manifested horrible. Yeah. Yeah, you know, 364 00:25:49,005 --> 00:25:53,125 Speaker 1: it's it's like I said, you know, it's it's it's history. 365 00:25:53,245 --> 00:25:56,925 Speaker 1: You know, it's here, it's history, but it's it's lives 366 00:25:56,925 --> 00:26:01,085 Speaker 1: and years. Well, you can't change the lives and years. 367 00:26:01,125 --> 00:26:05,085 Speaker 1: But we can uh be in the present and and 368 00:26:05,565 --> 00:26:09,365 Speaker 1: move forward. Yeah, and that's what we've done, haven't we. 369 00:26:09,805 --> 00:26:12,565 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, and we you know, we're kind 370 00:26:12,565 --> 00:26:16,605 Speaker 1: of you know, found each other again, you know, so 371 00:26:16,805 --> 00:26:20,285 Speaker 1: you know, so that's that's a positive thing. Yeah, and 372 00:26:20,605 --> 00:26:22,365 Speaker 1: you know, who knows the future. I don't, you know, 373 00:26:22,405 --> 00:26:24,365 Speaker 1: I don't have a crystal ball. I wish I did, 374 00:26:24,565 --> 00:26:26,725 Speaker 1: you know, because you know, if if I did, I 375 00:26:26,725 --> 00:26:29,925 Speaker 1: wouldn't be where I would Well I might be, you know, 376 00:26:29,965 --> 00:26:33,125 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know these guys. I vaguely knew him. 377 00:26:33,285 --> 00:26:38,885 Speaker 1: It was no man, throw you to the wolves. Thank 378 00:26:38,925 --> 00:26:47,285 Speaker 1: you for throwing us, Thank you it it. I still 379 00:26:47,325 --> 00:26:52,165 Speaker 1: have very few words because I have so little to say. Well, 380 00:26:52,205 --> 00:26:57,005 Speaker 1: I can say I'm sorry. Well, yeah, that's kind of 381 00:26:57,005 --> 00:27:03,645 Speaker 1: a want thank you. It's it doesn't mean much at all. Oh, 382 00:27:03,685 --> 00:27:06,565 Speaker 1: it kind of does. Well, you know me, and I 383 00:27:07,405 --> 00:27:15,605 Speaker 1: don't believe I'm especially frivolous with my feelings and the bullshit, 384 00:27:16,645 --> 00:27:19,485 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, fuck, we're we're sort of we've 385 00:27:19,525 --> 00:27:28,205 Speaker 1: we've grown a little older and would your fine go too? Yeah? 386 00:27:44,765 --> 00:27:47,925 Speaker 1: Better late than never, as they say, my parents call 387 00:27:48,045 --> 00:27:51,165 Speaker 1: with High Fi was a start to mending their broken bridge, 388 00:27:51,645 --> 00:27:53,885 Speaker 1: and I was struck by my mom thinking High Fi 389 00:27:54,005 --> 00:27:57,125 Speaker 1: for not turning my parents to the wolves. As she said, 390 00:27:58,885 --> 00:28:02,805 Speaker 1: reconciliation is complicated. But I took the fact that high 391 00:28:02,805 --> 00:28:04,965 Speaker 1: Fie and my dad were ribbing each other to be 392 00:28:05,005 --> 00:28:08,045 Speaker 1: a good sign, as well as the laughter from everyone. 393 00:28:12,005 --> 00:28:15,045 Speaker 1: I'm Rainbow Valentine and this is disorganized crime. We'll be 394 00:28:15,125 --> 00:28:38,245 Speaker 1: right back. So I started this podcast after seeing billboards 395 00:28:38,285 --> 00:28:42,965 Speaker 1: for weed delivery apps all over California and concerned the 396 00:28:43,045 --> 00:28:46,925 Speaker 1: pot smoking kids in weed legal states were unaware of 397 00:28:46,965 --> 00:28:50,365 Speaker 1: the extreme risks undertaken by the pot smugglers of your 398 00:28:51,085 --> 00:28:55,525 Speaker 1: I embarked on this project to illuminate cannabis's rocky path 399 00:28:55,685 --> 00:29:02,525 Speaker 1: towards legality. History is important, and as America moves towards 400 00:29:02,605 --> 00:29:07,845 Speaker 1: national cannabis legalization, pot smugglers stories are archival prohibition tales 401 00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:11,165 Speaker 1: which must be preserved and told so we don't repeat 402 00:29:11,245 --> 00:29:15,925 Speaker 1: patterns of behavior based on racism and hate. Remember reef 403 00:29:16,125 --> 00:29:21,365 Speaker 1: madness propaganda started because alcohol prohibition ended and a government official, 404 00:29:21,565 --> 00:29:25,725 Speaker 1: Harry Ann Slinger, wanted to preserve his power, hence the 405 00:29:25,885 --> 00:29:29,645 Speaker 1: frenzy of anti cannabis hype for a largely harmless drug 406 00:29:29,805 --> 00:29:33,645 Speaker 1: primarily used by Mexicans and African Americans, and then beat 407 00:29:33,725 --> 00:29:38,485 Speaker 1: nix and artists, leading to the counterculture. Harry Ann Slinger's 408 00:29:38,565 --> 00:29:43,525 Speaker 1: professional ambition and bigotry led to the reagans egregious anti 409 00:29:43,645 --> 00:29:47,805 Speaker 1: drug laws of the nineteen eighties that destroyed and continue 410 00:29:47,885 --> 00:29:53,245 Speaker 1: to destroy people's lives. And the thing is, so many 411 00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:58,765 Speaker 1: people throughout history and today believe pot is good. It's 412 00:29:58,805 --> 00:30:03,525 Speaker 1: a powerful, non addictive plant with positive benefits for many people. 413 00:30:04,285 --> 00:30:07,845 Speaker 1: Of course, not every human has the same physiology, so 414 00:30:07,885 --> 00:30:11,325 Speaker 1: not everyone has the same reaction to smoking cannabis. But 415 00:30:11,565 --> 00:30:15,645 Speaker 1: current medical science is proving that cannabis has medical properties 416 00:30:15,925 --> 00:30:21,645 Speaker 1: including anxiety and information reduction, pain management, and inducing the giggles. 417 00:30:22,165 --> 00:30:30,125 Speaker 1: After all, laughter is the best medicine. I called my 418 00:30:30,165 --> 00:30:33,365 Speaker 1: parents one last time to record. They've gotten a lot 419 00:30:33,365 --> 00:30:35,605 Speaker 1: better at it since we started recording about a year ago. 420 00:30:37,085 --> 00:30:41,805 Speaker 1: Is it recording, Yeah, it looks like the little red 421 00:30:41,845 --> 00:30:47,045 Speaker 1: lines are moving. Yes, it's recording. Well, what do you 422 00:30:47,085 --> 00:30:48,765 Speaker 1: guys want to say? Anything you want to say? And 423 00:30:48,925 --> 00:30:54,645 Speaker 1: here we are in the final episode conclusion. You go first. 424 00:31:00,445 --> 00:31:07,925 Speaker 1: I've been holding in an important informative part of our 425 00:31:08,245 --> 00:31:17,285 Speaker 1: family's life for thirty plus years, and I had no 426 00:31:17,405 --> 00:31:24,965 Speaker 1: idea how cathartically freeing. Speaking about it and listening to 427 00:31:25,005 --> 00:31:31,925 Speaker 1: other of my friends what it's done for me, I 428 00:31:31,965 --> 00:31:38,045 Speaker 1: think for Taffy can speak for herself. But it's just 429 00:31:38,165 --> 00:31:42,445 Speaker 1: our lives, you know, which that's how we live. We are, 430 00:31:44,125 --> 00:31:48,925 Speaker 1: We're very fortunate on so many levels, especially after listening 431 00:31:49,005 --> 00:31:56,845 Speaker 1: to the stories you've I've heard from other of my friends, 432 00:31:56,965 --> 00:32:00,765 Speaker 1: some of whom I had absolutely no idea about what 433 00:32:00,805 --> 00:32:08,245 Speaker 1: the hell parts of their lives were going on. Mom, Yeah, yeah, 434 00:32:08,285 --> 00:32:13,365 Speaker 1: excuse me. The truth will set you're free, will lock 435 00:32:13,445 --> 00:32:18,645 Speaker 1: you up. Yeah. But if I had it to do 436 00:32:18,925 --> 00:32:24,685 Speaker 1: over again, because I'm a real sixties idealist, I could 437 00:32:24,685 --> 00:32:30,725 Speaker 1: see no reason for me to be criminalized and taking 438 00:32:30,845 --> 00:32:35,085 Speaker 1: joy away from the people. They the people, the populist 439 00:32:35,325 --> 00:32:38,885 Speaker 1: has enough problems and suffering, and if you could relieve 440 00:32:39,005 --> 00:32:42,525 Speaker 1: suffering could make people laugh. I thought it was like 441 00:32:42,725 --> 00:32:47,725 Speaker 1: your highest calling. What are the theories on why you 442 00:32:47,725 --> 00:32:51,125 Speaker 1: guys never got caught? Why didn't we Why do we 443 00:32:51,285 --> 00:32:57,125 Speaker 1: think we didn't get popped? Ever? Yeah, because I mean, 444 00:32:57,165 --> 00:33:01,205 Speaker 1: I'm fairly clear about because it was the way I 445 00:33:01,245 --> 00:33:10,085 Speaker 1: did business. I was very strange about who I hung 446 00:33:10,125 --> 00:33:14,045 Speaker 1: out with that I had. I did most all of 447 00:33:14,085 --> 00:33:19,965 Speaker 1: my own driving locally. The less moving parts, the less people, 448 00:33:20,165 --> 00:33:24,045 Speaker 1: the less potential for somebody getting in trouble for who 449 00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:29,365 Speaker 1: knows what and doing who knows what to whom. So 450 00:33:29,805 --> 00:33:36,485 Speaker 1: that's I was really very cautious about that. And consequently 451 00:33:39,205 --> 00:33:41,365 Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of people working for me, 452 00:33:41,405 --> 00:33:48,285 Speaker 1: and I wasn't so greedy as to as to do 453 00:33:48,405 --> 00:33:51,525 Speaker 1: something that foolish, only greedy enough to do something as 454 00:33:51,565 --> 00:33:55,765 Speaker 1: foolish as losing my money several times. But we're still 455 00:33:55,805 --> 00:34:03,645 Speaker 1: here and I feel quite rich now, you know, full, 456 00:34:05,525 --> 00:34:14,085 Speaker 1: which is a level of something. Yeah. Yeah, I like 457 00:34:14,205 --> 00:34:18,725 Speaker 1: the idea of fulsomeness, you know, from having let an 458 00:34:18,885 --> 00:34:27,405 Speaker 1: interesting life and striving to create some truth. And I 459 00:34:27,485 --> 00:34:32,245 Speaker 1: think that we were two heads are better than once 460 00:34:32,965 --> 00:34:38,645 Speaker 1: sometimes and we when there's all these bozos around there 461 00:34:38,685 --> 00:34:42,925 Speaker 1: doing like weird things, am not being prepared? I think 462 00:34:42,965 --> 00:34:48,525 Speaker 1: we were super prepared because we were so paranoid, you know. 463 00:34:48,605 --> 00:34:52,965 Speaker 1: So it's great about now is that we don't we're 464 00:34:53,005 --> 00:34:56,765 Speaker 1: trying to lift the paranoia from a lifetime a paranoia 465 00:34:56,925 --> 00:35:05,085 Speaker 1: and change our behavioral patterns. You know. So that's interesting too. Yeah, yeah, 466 00:35:05,085 --> 00:35:09,485 Speaker 1: that's interesting. You mean by being by revealing your stories, wow? 467 00:35:09,525 --> 00:35:12,245 Speaker 1: Well yeah, by being able to like be on the 468 00:35:12,285 --> 00:35:15,885 Speaker 1: phone and talk about weak now, that was like something 469 00:35:15,965 --> 00:35:19,445 Speaker 1: like you know, to overcome like for thirty five years 470 00:35:19,565 --> 00:35:22,245 Speaker 1: or fifty years or whatever, like you've been afraid to 471 00:35:22,325 --> 00:35:25,645 Speaker 1: talk on the phone because the phone would be tapped 472 00:35:26,445 --> 00:35:30,605 Speaker 1: or people of surveillance, and like, you know, there's a 473 00:35:30,685 --> 00:35:33,725 Speaker 1: point when you're just like can you got to stop 474 00:35:33,765 --> 00:35:37,725 Speaker 1: worrying about it because now because it does, it doesn't exist. 475 00:35:37,845 --> 00:35:44,725 Speaker 1: It's it's a structure that it was like completely paralyzing structure. 476 00:35:45,685 --> 00:35:51,565 Speaker 1: We didn't take chances like being hung out there to 477 00:35:51,685 --> 00:36:00,685 Speaker 1: dry usually like except when when high fi like you know, 478 00:36:00,885 --> 00:36:04,365 Speaker 1: like that that would have been a that was a 479 00:36:04,405 --> 00:36:09,525 Speaker 1: disaster like but any upstanding like jog dealer would have 480 00:36:09,605 --> 00:36:18,245 Speaker 1: lots of lawyers well uh, and lots of luck, lots 481 00:36:18,285 --> 00:36:26,925 Speaker 1: of look and God loves um dealers, good pot dealers, artists, gods, 482 00:36:27,485 --> 00:36:30,565 Speaker 1: artists and people that take risks. So I think that 483 00:36:30,645 --> 00:36:39,725 Speaker 1: even though I don't believe in God, that God was there. Well, yes, 484 00:36:39,965 --> 00:36:46,125 Speaker 1: that's us. That's us. Ridiculous is us? I mean you know, 485 00:36:46,205 --> 00:36:59,725 Speaker 1: I mean the Lord and passed the potatoes. As I 486 00:36:59,805 --> 00:37:02,445 Speaker 1: considered what to say in the final episode, I read 487 00:37:02,485 --> 00:37:06,205 Speaker 1: this quote by Polish poet, writer and translator sis Law 488 00:37:06,365 --> 00:37:09,725 Speaker 1: Maloje Sorry I said his name wrong, winner of the 489 00:37:09,805 --> 00:37:14,405 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty Nobel Prize Literature. He wrote, when a writer 490 00:37:14,765 --> 00:37:19,685 Speaker 1: is born into a family, that family is finished. Thank you, 491 00:37:19,885 --> 00:37:23,965 Speaker 1: family for supporting my writing about you, because now I 492 00:37:24,125 --> 00:37:28,405 Speaker 1: know myself so much better, and may our story inspire 493 00:37:28,565 --> 00:37:34,525 Speaker 1: you to uncover an archive your family's narrative. I started 494 00:37:34,565 --> 00:37:37,805 Speaker 1: this project without any idea of what I discover, learn 495 00:37:38,325 --> 00:37:42,325 Speaker 1: or the consequences, and I'm pleased to report that while 496 00:37:42,365 --> 00:37:47,085 Speaker 1: it's been intense and all in experience, uncovering the chronicle 497 00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:50,925 Speaker 1: of cannabis prohibition and my parents and friends. Historic Secrets 498 00:37:51,445 --> 00:37:55,565 Speaker 1: has been overwhelmingly positive, especially for the pot smugglers who 499 00:37:55,605 --> 00:38:00,085 Speaker 1: bury their biographies for so many years. The truth will 500 00:38:00,165 --> 00:38:05,405 Speaker 1: set you free. When we humans hold onto secrets and emotions, 501 00:38:06,205 --> 00:38:11,965 Speaker 1: they become a heavy load and revealing, communicating, and storytelling 502 00:38:12,645 --> 00:38:16,885 Speaker 1: releases one from the power secrets and emotions have over us. 503 00:38:19,405 --> 00:38:24,365 Speaker 1: Stories inform us and remind us who we are. I 504 00:38:24,405 --> 00:38:28,725 Speaker 1: am a smuggler's daughter. I am the child of psychedelic counterculture. 505 00:38:28,765 --> 00:38:34,685 Speaker 1: Outlaw artists, storytellers and podcasts are the modern day campfire, 506 00:38:35,845 --> 00:38:38,525 Speaker 1: and since songs are part of the traditional camp fire, 507 00:38:39,245 --> 00:38:42,325 Speaker 1: I felt sharing my latest song would be a cozy 508 00:38:42,405 --> 00:38:46,885 Speaker 1: way to end this chapter of disorganized crime. Smuggler's Daughter, 509 00:38:48,205 --> 00:38:50,885 Speaker 1: I've told my story to the world. Who knows who 510 00:38:50,925 --> 00:38:58,365 Speaker 1: will be next? Thanks for listening. Camp Fire style, camp 511 00:38:58,365 --> 00:39:04,765 Speaker 1: fire style Live, no fancy tricks. I'm a Smuggler's daughter. 512 00:39:05,045 --> 00:39:15,165 Speaker 1: Water sign, my Heart's rainbow. Valentine raised a mixt disorganized crime. 513 00:39:16,445 --> 00:39:21,285 Speaker 1: That time has come for the stories of pot smuggler 514 00:39:21,405 --> 00:39:33,925 Speaker 1: glories and downfallns calling all you himmy kids, calling ah 515 00:39:34,605 --> 00:39:41,365 Speaker 1: you counterculture misfits. The world wants the word from our buses, 516 00:39:41,445 --> 00:40:04,005 Speaker 1: your Santipees Well, words the same sun in sixty Peace, Peace, love, peace, love, 517 00:40:06,165 --> 00:40:09,765 Speaker 1: I'm a Smuggler's daughter, hippie kid. Did you think I've 518 00:40:09,845 --> 00:40:14,485 Speaker 1: seen of other things? Like she strings and string keys 519 00:40:14,805 --> 00:40:19,085 Speaker 1: and she's take with key lime. That time has come 520 00:40:19,325 --> 00:40:27,645 Speaker 1: for the stories of hot smuggler glories and downfalls, Calling 521 00:40:27,805 --> 00:40:37,565 Speaker 1: all you hippie kids, calling all you count of culture misfits. 522 00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:43,405 Speaker 1: The world wants the word from our communes and cobhouses. Well, 523 00:40:43,485 --> 00:41:01,605 Speaker 1: the words the same sung in sixtys Peace, peace, peace, 524 00:41:03,085 --> 00:41:12,445 Speaker 1: and love. Stories are like good de deserts. A word 525 00:41:12,725 --> 00:41:20,725 Speaker 1: treats for the heart and mind, chronicles a human kind. 526 00:41:22,125 --> 00:41:26,845 Speaker 1: That time has come for the stories of hot smuggler 527 00:41:27,045 --> 00:41:38,685 Speaker 1: glories and downfall, Calling all you hippie kids, call all 528 00:41:38,805 --> 00:41:44,845 Speaker 1: you counterculture misfits. The world wants the word from our 529 00:41:45,125 --> 00:41:48,805 Speaker 1: hands made off the bread cribs. While the words the 530 00:41:48,885 --> 00:42:08,685 Speaker 1: same sun in sixties sing along, Speace, be and love. 531 00:42:15,365 --> 00:42:24,045 Speaker 1: I'm a fucking hippie disorganized crime. Smuggler's Daughter is written 532 00:42:24,045 --> 00:42:28,125 Speaker 1: and recorded by me Rainbow Valentine. Our producers are Gabby 533 00:42:28,205 --> 00:42:32,925 Speaker 1: Watts and Taylor Church. Executive producers are Brandon Barr, Brian Livin, 534 00:42:33,005 --> 00:42:36,405 Speaker 1: Elsie Crowley and Me at School of Humans and Connel 535 00:42:36,445 --> 00:42:39,365 Speaker 1: Burn and Charles Bryant at iHeartRadio. Our music is by 536 00:42:39,405 --> 00:42:42,205 Speaker 1: Gabby Lala and Claire Campbell, with original theme by Mark, 537 00:42:42,285 --> 00:42:45,965 Speaker 1: Karen and Me. You can follow us online at Disorganized 538 00:42:46,005 --> 00:42:59,565 Speaker 1: Crime podcast dot com. 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