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Speaker 1: was iconic to me, Like I I lived for that

428
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Speaker 1: on Sundays and so my first chance, you know, I

429
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Speaker 1: always told anybody who would listen, I would dying to

430
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Speaker 1: do the NFL. So I started working for this company,

431
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Speaker 1: Compass Media Networks, and one of their executive producers, Michelle Salvatere.

432
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Speaker 1: I worked with her as a fan, and she gave

433
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Speaker 1: me a shot. Initially, I do a college game. Someone

434
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Speaker 1: had to call out of a New Year's Day Bowl

435
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Speaker 1: game and I hadn't done you know, football on the

436
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: radio and years because I just couldn't find an opportunity,

437
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: and so I went. I did the game and it

438
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: went well, and I think the next year I did

439
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: a small package of NFL games, like I don't know,

440
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: maybe five games on the radio. And then a couple

441
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: of years down the road, that company's had to deal

442
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Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys to be like their national boys,

443
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: so not in Dallas, but basically a lot of other

444
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Speaker 1: markets that they broadcast the Cowboys on a weekly basis.

445
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Speaker 1: And I did that for two years with Danny White.

446
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: So that was awesome, you know, that was that was

447
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: some experience. And and then the Fox thing just happened

448
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: so fast. I mean, you know, there have been talks there,

449
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: and there have been people there that I had good

450
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: relationships with, and I've done a few baseball games for them,

451
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, like hey, you know, we're

452
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Speaker 1: gonna hire you, and you're gonna do a full NFL

453
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Speaker 1: seas on Lynch. I was like what it was, you know,

454
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Speaker 1: it was like everything that I always wanted to do, So, um,

455
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Speaker 1: that was my first My first hit, though, was with

456
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Speaker 1: the radio. I had never done a football game on

457
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Speaker 1: television since college until I did my first NFL on

458
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Speaker 1: a box game five years ago. You think you would

459
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Speaker 1: have been as comfortable doing it, uh five years ago

460
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: if you hadn't have had those two years with the

461
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Speaker 1: Cowboys and kind of get a feel for just doing

462
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Speaker 1: NFL games again, even though it was difference between radio

463
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Speaker 1: and TV, but just just being around it and getting

464
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Speaker 1: a feel for it, No, I wouldn't have been as comfortable.

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Speaker 1: I mean I I always had a lot of confidence

466
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Speaker 1: in my NFL game calling. I thought I was not

467
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Speaker 1: an NFL football game calling. I thought I was good

468
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Speaker 1: at it, and you know, so you have to have

469
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Speaker 1: some confidence in it, right And but you know, if

470
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Speaker 1: I didn't have those experiences, and I wouldn't have been

471
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Speaker 1: as confident. But even though it's going to TV, it

472
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Speaker 1: was going to a different medium. I just I knew

473
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Speaker 1: what I wanted to do and I kind of knew

474
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Speaker 1: how I wanted to do it, you know, until you

475
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Speaker 1: experience that you don't exactly know. But I had great

476
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Speaker 1: people behind the scenes helping me. I mean, you know,

477
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: I had a producer and a director who I still

478
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Speaker 1: have people who have done the World Series, done the

479
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl for years. So I couldn't have asked for

480
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Speaker 1: a better set up with people who made an easy

481
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Speaker 1: for me. And to understand what it took, uh, you know,

482
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Speaker 1: to pull it off and to do a TV broadcast

483
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Speaker 1: not a radio broadcast. What's your approach on a given week,

484
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: you know, as the broadcaster, just preparing? Uh, you know,

485
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Speaker 1: I think especially the last couple of years, on Monday

486
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Speaker 1: Night football, McDonough showed his board. So I think the

487
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Speaker 1: common fan kind of understands that you guys draw it out.

488
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Speaker 1: But how much preparation you know from I guess if

489
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Speaker 1: you call a game Sunday and either fly home that

490
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Speaker 1: night or early next morning, when do you start getting

491
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Speaker 1: ready for your next game on Sunday? And what's kind

492
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Speaker 1: of the what's the weekly outlook? How does it kind

493
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Speaker 1: of play out? Well? I think, you know, there's a

494
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Speaker 1: lot to it, and you know, I start prepping basically

495
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Speaker 1: Sunday night on the plane ride home, and you know,

496
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: I followed the league tightly. But you know, as you know, John,

497
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Speaker 1: I mean you lived it, and you know you know

498
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Speaker 1: you you are you are paid to be an expert

499
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Speaker 1: on those two teams that week of your game. And

500
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Speaker 1: the thing is, this isn't twenty years ago, so you're

501
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Speaker 1: talking to Pete who have access to basically the same

502
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Speaker 1: information you do. So you can't fake it. You gotta know,

503
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Speaker 1: you know, you gotta know what happened essentially since O

504
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Speaker 1: T S and what the storylines are and why, and

505
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: you are you are both teams local broadcaster because there

506
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: is no local TV broadcast, so that if you're doing

507
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: a forty nine or Cowboy game, both those two teams

508
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: expecting you to know their team like they do. That's

509
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: exactly right. So you know goes back. You know, a

510
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Speaker 1: lot of reading. I actually have a database that I keep,

511
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Speaker 1: um that I kind of clip things off during the

512
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Speaker 1: year and and save articles and it starts from there.

513
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Speaker 1: Um then I you know, it's it's a lot of

514
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Speaker 1: going through their roster and going through the players history

515
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: and what they're doing that year, things like that. Um,

516
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Speaker 1: just taking a lot of notes and just kind of

517
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Speaker 1: getting anything I get. Any reading I could get on

518
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Speaker 1: my hands on that. That's how I start the week,

519
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Speaker 1: especially Sunday night, Monday, and you know, early Tuesday. Then

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Speaker 1: it's UM, okay, let's watch you know, let's watch some

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Speaker 1: some video. So you know, I definitely watch UM. I

522
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: definitely watched at least the last game. I try to

523
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: watch the last couple uh. And then it depends if

524
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Speaker 1: there's a game that was kind of wilder, if it's

525
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: a division rival where they played them already, I'm definitely

526
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: watching that, UM. And I'm watching broadcast right. I watched

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Speaker 1: the TV broadcast a lot of times, you know, when

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00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: I get together a lot of times with Charles or

529
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: when it was John Lynch, you know, we would go

530
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Speaker 1: over film and look at stuff together that way on

531
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Speaker 1: the coach's tape. But for me, I'm looking you know,

532
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm looking more for personnel packages. I'm

533
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: looking more for uh, you know, my eye. What I'm

534
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: looking for the play by play guy initially is different things.

535
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: What I have to look out for, UM and what

536
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: to watch on the field on Sunday, if that makes

537
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: any sense. I get to UM the you know, I

538
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: get to the xs and ohs. Usually when I take

539
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: my notes and then I throw it out my analysts, Hey, like,

540
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Speaker 1: is this happening? I kind of saw this. What do

541
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Speaker 1: you think about this? I noticed this? Um, you know,

542
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: I kind of rely on them more than me because

543
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert at breaking down coaches table. I

544
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: watch it, uh, and I do incorporate into my studies,

545
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: but it's not the most important thing for me. Um.

546
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: And then um, you know, then it's really laying out

547
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: the boards that you saw, you know, I you know,

548
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: I lay out I have a certain you know, anal

549
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: way of doing everything that I have everything. Crappton, You're

550
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is you gotta have not only the

551
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: whole team down, but you gotta have nuggets on everybody

552
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: and their their story. You know. I learned that initially

553
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: one of the first years I was doing radio. I

554
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: think it was doing a jet game and they signed

555
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: some dude on Saturday and he was on my board,

556
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: but I had no idea who he was. And once,

557
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, at that game, he blocked up plan and

558
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: returning for a touchdown. So it was a great lesson,

559
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: great lesson, like, you can't do that. It doesn't matter

560
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: if it's the last guy on the roster. You gotta

561
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: have everything on everybody. Um. So that's the thing, and

562
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: really the goal is we have meetings, you know, as

563
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, but the listeners might not. We have meetings

564
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: with each team on the weekend. So Friday morning, you know,

565
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing a nine ers game over the weekend, and

566
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: if they're the home team, Friday morning, we're at the facility.

567
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: We get to watch the whole practice, which the rest

568
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: of the media doesn't, which is great because you really

569
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: see a lot um and you know, and then we

570
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: get access to the coaching staff, to the GM, to

571
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: the players, and and we get a lot from those meetings.

572
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of things that we had talked

573
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Speaker 1: about as a group. You know, we discussed with them

574
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: and you know, of the coaches are really good. They'll

575
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: help you out and they'll be like, yeah, this is

576
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: kind of what we're seeing, this is what we're doing,

577
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: this is what has got to change, and um, and

578
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: they'll tell us like what they're you know, their bullet

579
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: points are for the game, actually right. It makes us

580
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: look smart and it also I think makes the viewer

581
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: looks smart because we know what they're trying to do

582
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: and we kind of you know, go with that. So

583
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: you have to know all that before you go and

584
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: talk to them. You can't run into the room and

585
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: be like, so, uh, you know, Pete Carroll, how you

586
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: guys been playing like that? Doesn't fly? You know, you

587
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta be Pete, hey, I noticed that Baldwin

588
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: is really having trouble with this or you know, something

589
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: like that. And then you get really good answers if

590
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: you do your homework. So um we we we combine

591
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: all that, we get all that information and and and

592
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: somehow put all that on television Sunday and hopefully something

593
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So you want to have the large

594
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: majority of work done by the time you're gonna start

595
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: meeting with the staffs. Is that correct? I mean, I

596
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: would say I definitely want to have the teamwork for sure.

597
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: You know, there may be other stuff I'm doing, like

598
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: stats or the new show like that, but knowing the

599
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: team in and out, have to have it done by

600
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: the time you meet with those guys. Just there's no

601
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: way about it. You have to who's the best coach

602
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: to deal with or just you know, coaches that come

603
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: to your mind that are that are easier, just most

604
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: of them pretty pretty open because there's been some stories.

605
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: Bet Belichick isn't quite the easiest. I know you do

606
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: NFC games, but I'm sure you've done a Patriot game

607
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: here there. I gotta be honest. I mean, the nine

608
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: guys are really good, and percent of the guys get that.

609
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: We're not like, you know, we're not breaking news, right,

610
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: we're I mean, stuff happens on Sunday, we're breaking it,

611
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: but we're there, you know, we're to learn what's going

612
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: on and essentially an ally ally right. I mean, um,

613
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: I think they're really good. You know, Dan Quinn is

614
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: a favorite of mine. He's just phenomenal and he'll he'll

615
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: bring you to his office and you just talked to

616
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: football for like a half hour or even get this

617
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: game just like whatever random stuff. Um, He's He's great.

618
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of them that are really really cool though,

619
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Speaker 1: that I enjoy deal with. We had you know, I

620
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: haven't had the Patriots a couple of years John, but

621
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: I had him a couple of times with John Lynch

622
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: and before John obviously took the Niner's job, and John,

623
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: before he retired, played a summer with Belichick. Belichick tried

624
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: to get him to be a linebacker in his defensive scheme.

625
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: John went there where he's gonna retire, and he went

626
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: there and they developed this relationship where, um, you know,

627
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: after practice they would just talk defense and talk football.

628
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: And so I was very lucky because a couple of

629
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: times we had the Patriots, we spent over an hour

630
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: with Belichick. And the crazy thing is there was nothing

631
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: regarding the game. I mean maybe one question starting the

632
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: actual game. You know John would get in, uh, you know, hey,

633
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: so and so, what do you think? But Bill doesn't

634
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: want to talk about that. He's not ever going to

635
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: talk about He's not ever gonna tell you what he's

636
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: gonna do or what his strategy is. But the beauty

637
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: of it is is a football fan, which I am

638
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: a nut, and I love it. You know, we're there

639
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: talking to Belichick and his PR guys trying to say, hey,

640
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: practice is start and then builds like, you know, they're good,

641
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: I'll go out later. So instead he's sitting there talking

642
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: to John and I about you know, Bivarro and Lawrence

643
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: Taylor going at it and practice with the Giants. I

644
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: mean just story upon story upon story. It was amazing.

645
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: So it wasn't much that we could really use in

646
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: the broadcast. But in terms of just being a football

647
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: junkie and enjoying the ship out of you know, listening

648
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: to a legendary coach tell you stories about his coach,

649
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty cool. You know, there are

650
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: certain people probably in sports that just could do anything

651
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: they wanted, and we had one that came a couple

652
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: of years ago in the Bay Area before John was

653
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: Steve Kerk. You know, he was in the media, he

654
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: had been a GM he had won titles with Michael Jordan's.

655
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: He could be the president if he wanted. He could run.

656
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: You go work at Golden Sacks. Like there's nothing Steve

657
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: Kirk couldn't do. You meet John Lynch, you here and talk.

658
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: You just realize, Jesus Christ, this guy whatever he put

659
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: his mind to. Like I I at first, like most

660
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: people reacted, probably beside yourself and maybe his close family

661
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: in Belichick, that went the how's this gonna work? And

662
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear John Lynch is gonna be just fine.

663
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean, if it isn't evident already, yeah, I mean,

664
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, look, I was John Lynch is one of

665
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: the greatest greatest man I've ever met. I mean, he

666
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: is he is everything you'd want in a human being.

667
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: He is, he's caring, he's a leader, he is um.

668
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: You know, he he was as good as anyone could

669
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: be being a partner, the teammate, right, you could easily

670
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: see what he was a leader of those of those

671
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: Bucks teams, and he was, you know, ultra smart. Um.

672
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: So it's funny when, you know, when when this came about,

673
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: you know, and I knew he had aspirations down the road.

674
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it was gonna happen exactly what it did.

675
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't think he did either. But when this came about,

676
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, he told me, hey, kbe just let you

677
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: know that I'm I'm going on this talk. He's like,

678
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, I'm not really I'm not really sure

679
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: about this, but I really want to go through the interview,

680
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: you know. And I said, yeah, of course, I said,

681
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, you know, good luck and whatever, and and

682
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: he truly didn't know what to expect. It was the

683
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: first time he was going to go through that whole process.

684
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew he was gonna be hired. Like

685
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: as soon as you told me that, I you know,

686
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: I I knew he was gonna be hired because he's

687
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: the guy that when you get in the room with him,

688
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: he's too good, you know. He it's almost like, you know,

689
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: you draw up this fictional character and no one could

690
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: be you know, that well respected, as much of a leader,

691
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: that great of a guy, that friendly of a guy,

692
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: that much of a family man. But that's John, you know.

693
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: And I'm just happy for him. Man. He's uh, he's

694
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: a good friend. And you know, I knew he turned

695
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: things around, but he's got them looking pretty good this year.

696
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: I'm excited I have them Week one. Actually, I can't wait.

697
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a heck of a game in Minnesota.

698
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: That that's a big time Week one. I'll be honest.

699
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: I when the Harbaugh Tom Sula, I didn't think Jed

700
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: was going to be able to shake it. But you've

701
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: probably been interviewing Kyle now for years doing NFC games. Kyle,

702
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: to me, you know, has probably been the biggest revelation

703
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of had somewhat of a negative connotation. Weren't you

704
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: doing a playoff game maybe before John was with John

705
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: before he was hired, and John said, you know some

706
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: things about him being arrogant, but that's type guy like,

707
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: and Kyle's kind of been the opposite. He's arguably the

708
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: most candid coach in the league and clearly, as as

709
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: Belichick just handed him Jimmy from a scheme standpoint, there

710
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: might not be a better offensive mind in all of football. Yeah.

711
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: You know, the thing with Kyle is that you know,

712
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: and what John meant there is if you get in

713
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: a room with him, initially, were you was that you

714
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: weren't you guys doing in Atlanta Falcons playoff game? We

715
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: were no? John said it, and and you know, and

716
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: I know what he meant because when you get in

717
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: a room with him initially, he's got like this dry

718
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: sense of humor, the sarcasm that you know, you kind

719
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: of take it for like, oh, this guy's kind of

720
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: a jerk, you know. Um, and then when you get

721
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: to meet him, he's a great guy and he's smart

722
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: and he's funny, and um, you know, I know exactly

723
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: what John meant. I'm I'm pretty sure when he said

724
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: that he had no idea that he'd be you know,

725
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: working handed. But but it's it's funny how that plays

726
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: out right. It's it's funny. He's lead broadcast was doing

727
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: Kyle's game and then now here they are running the Niners.

728
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: What about McVeigh, Uh, you know he looks at the

729
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: Party's had a hell of a first season. Just in

730
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: your interactions with him, What's what's your takeaway when when

731
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 1: you talk with McVeigh. Well, I think there's a couple

732
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: of things. He is, you know, genius level smart. I

733
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: think number one. Number two, he's got as much enthusiasm

734
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: and personality as anyone I've ever met. Um. You know,

735
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: he's just the first time I met him, it's easy

736
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: to see, you know, he shakes your hand and some

737
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: guys John, you know what I mean, Some guys you

738
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: just know it right away. You just feel it with them,

739
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: like like, Wow, this guy's got a little something to him, right,

740
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: he's got a little dask to him, he's got a

741
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: little shake to him. And he had that you know,

742
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: easy to command a room type of thing. And then

743
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: the third thing about McVeigh for me, I think despite

744
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: everyone you know always want to talk about his ais

745
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: and it's easy to do because of how young he is.

746
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: But he he has no ego from you know, he

747
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: brought in Wade Phillips. He has no dummy Hey, way,

748
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: He's gonna come in and run the defense, and that's that.

749
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: And he has the ability to, you know, defer and

750
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: let his lieutenants do the work. But the other thing is,

751
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: I think there was just misnomer that, oh, well, Sean

752
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with the defense. He just

753
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: lets Wait do it. He lets Wait do it. But

754
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: he has a lot to do with it. You know,

755
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: he is well versed in there, and he is talking

756
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: to his defensive players and in those meetings. But he

757
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: knows how to divvy up the responsibility. And I think

758
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: for a young guy in that position, in any job,

759
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: I think that's really hard to do. So I give

760
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: him a lot of make him an excellent head coach.

761
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: So your first game vikings Verse the fighting, Jimmy Garoppolos.

762
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: How about Mike Zimmer. I mean, he's one of my

763
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: personal favorites. There's gonna be a lot of hype on

764
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: that team, most some I would imagine a decent amount

765
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: of people are gonna pick them to go to the

766
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: super Bowl, potentially win. They have a six million dollar quarterback,

767
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: new coordinator buddy of mind, John d. Filippo. But the

768
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: pressure on that squad and you know in the NFL,

769
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: when there's when there's a hype leading. Same with the Rams,

770
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: when the true hype like tangible for playoff team coming back,

771
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: it's there's gonna be some pressure behind that squad. You know.

772
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: I think a couple of things. I'm with you on Zimmer.

773
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he's great, right, he is, uh little crotchety.

774
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: I love it, Um and boy, you know we talk

775
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: about those meetings. When you meet with him, he does

776
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: not pony punches. He will tell you if a guy thinks,

777
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: he will tell you if you know, you know exactly

778
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: where he stands with the team when you get down

779
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 1: with him. But I think two things in the Vikings, John,

780
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: and I love to hear you know if you agree

781
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: with your football. I I think I'm really curious to

782
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: see how their defense respond. I mean, there d Is

783
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: is ridiculously talented, right, I mean they're just they're so

784
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: loaded on every level. But you know, they got their

785
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: ass handed to him in that championship game. And I

786
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: don't know that you just flip the switch and and

787
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: say Okay, no big deal, just on the radar. So

788
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see how from an ego standpoint, from

789
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: a compidence standpoint, They respond if it's like if it

790
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: is like no big deal and they get back under

791
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: the number one D in the league again, or if

792
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: there is some lay you know, some carryover effect from that,

793
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: so that's number one, number two. They never really believed

794
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: in Case Keenum, hey all they want. Um, they never

795
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: believed in him. He did a great job before them,

796
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: and Pat Sherman, I thought did an incredible job taking

797
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: some of the North Turner concepts, taking some of his

798
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: own concepts and then finding things for Keenum that work

799
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: and just kind of sticking with those and making it

800
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: work for him. Um. I think that all was a

801
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: fantastic job by those guys to put it together. But

802
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: he was never their guy. Now they got their guy

803
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: and cousins so fascinated to see. I think there's I

804
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of pressure on the offense to

805
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: be you know, almost all world. You know they were.

806
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: They were really good last year, really good, and I

807
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: don't I just don't know how much better they can be. Yeah,

808
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: I know they get cooked back and I don't really help,

809
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: but I might take on them. I I think when

810
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: you I took completely agree with Case. There was always

811
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: he was given the Zimmer the chance multiple times to

812
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: kind of annoint him, and he refused on the defense.

813
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: To me, if they had an offensive coach, you know,

814
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just not as focused. I'm with you that

815
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: you could go the other way. But he's just such

816
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: an old school hardass. I I can't see that. And

817
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: he's their scheme guy too, which makes him pretty unique.

818
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: It's hard to see them slipping. It's like it's like

819
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: Bruce arians with the offense. Even when Palmer goes down,

820
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: he starts coaching up blank Gabbert and they still score

821
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: points and find a way to go eight and eight

822
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: because that's his baby that you're right. I mean, the

823
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: pressure on Flip and Cousins to be probably a top

824
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: five type offense with all that talent they have is legitimate,

825
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: and that's the talking point. But it's hard for me

826
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: to see the defense lipping just because that's that's Zimmer's deal,

827
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: and that's and he's you talked to all these offensive coaches.

828
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: They they'll tell you he's the best in the business.

829
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: From a scheme standpoint. You don't know what's coming. That's

830
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: why it was just Phillies time. I mean, you're you're

831
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: an Eagle fan. It was just god out Philly one, right,

832
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: it was just their their time totally. And I'm and

833
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and I think Jim is incredible, and

834
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: I think the d is incredible. Say it, you know it.

835
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: It just happened on that stage, right, it happened. And

836
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: I and I'm with you on that. Um it, Look

837
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna be They're gonna be a great, great team.

838
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: Um it's you know, I think they have the right

839
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: guy there. I think they have the right guy. But

840
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: I am fascinated to see Cousins. I really am at

841
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: the tack of the storyline and see how he does

842
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: there really quick before I let you get out of here.

843
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: I think the NFC, you know, top to one through

844
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: probably ten is it doesn't get much better. I mean,

845
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: you look at the a f C. It's not great.

846
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: The NFC is sta act. I mean you have teams

847
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: that missed the playoffs last year, like Dallas they went

848
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: nine and seven. Will Zeke miss six of those games?

849
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: You have teams like the forty nine is that finished

850
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: five game winning streak now that have their quarterback. Minnesota

851
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: reloaded Aaron Rodgers. They missed the Playoffs, his collar bones healthy.

852
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: It's just in your years of doing this, you've been

853
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: doing the NFC the whole time. Is this is good.

854
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: The Saints, the Panthers, the Falcons, the Rams, It's absolutely loaded.

855
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: I I I think it's the most depth the NFC

856
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: has had in terms of really good depth. I'm with you.

857
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: That can legitimately win the conference. Yeah, I think there's

858
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: a lot of them, right, I mean, I think look,

859
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: you look at by division, there are multiple teams in

860
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: each division that win the conference. I don't know that

861
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: you could say that every year. I mean it's most years.

862
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the NFC from recent memory, depth wise, has

863
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: been better than the a f C. But this is

864
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: pretty I mean just look at the NFC West, right,

865
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: you think about and I know things are changing in

866
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Seattle with you know, it's not the same, right, I mean, sure,

867
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: Legion of Boom is gone. Guy, you know, April's gone,

868
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: Chancellors gone, So I get it. They're kind of turn

869
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: it over now. They have their run. But when you

870
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: think about what they've done in the last seven years,

871
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: the fact that they could easily finish last in the

872
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: division is amazing to me. But when you look at

873
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: it rams. I think Florida and is gonna be really good.

874
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: I think actually Arizona is gonna be decent. I mean,

875
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: you people, for David Johnson was out the entire year

876
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: last year, and he was the best player in the

877
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: league two years ago. So um, I think that tells

878
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: you just how deep things are. And and then you have,

879
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, the Packers when Aaron Rodgers, you know, as

880
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: great as the Vikings are. Aaron Rodgers is out the

881
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: whole year. So let's let's see him back and see

882
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: how that all plays out. Cowboys playoffs or bust for

883
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: for Jason, I know this. I don't know your thoughts

884
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: on Jason. I'm sure you like him because he's really impressive.

885
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: I've always kind of been a Garrett fan. I think

886
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: you get somewhat of a raw deal. Uh, you don't

887
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: think it's just a black and white. You fire him,

888
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: you get a better coach. We we've seen. Did Jerry

889
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: not upgrade coaches when he gets rid of you know,

890
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: the guys that can make the playoffs? But is it

891
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: as simple as it we talk about just on Twitter

892
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: or whatever, that if they missed the playoffs, he's he's screwed.

893
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: He's done. I'm not sure that's the case. Um. You know,

894
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: I like I like Jason a lot, and I think that,

895
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 1: you know, I think he deals with a lot there

896
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: and is as good a front man as you can be.

897
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not ever the front man with Jerry

898
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: and Jerry's world, but as good as you can be.

899
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: And I just think when you look at there, when

900
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: you look at your team, there are some major league

901
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: flaws there, um, you know. And I don't know, you know,

902
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what the receiver position is

903
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: gonna gonna be looking like. I mean, you know, it

904
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't great last year. I don't know how upgrade

905
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: it is. I guess I have to see it to

906
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: believe it. And even though Jason Witten was you know,

907
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: you know slowing down still is as reliable as they come.

908
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: I have to see what Doc is in year three, um,

909
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: and I need to see that. Certainly, Elliott back helps,

910
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: But for me, John, it's also about their defense, you know.

911
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: I just feel like they haven't done enough to upgrade

912
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: their defense to the point of being a championship defense.

913
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: I think Mary and Ellie has done a pretty good

914
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: job of piecing things together and trying to get a

915
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: pass rush out of the guys that they have. But

916
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know that they have enough on that

917
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: side of the ball. And you know the reason. Couple

918
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: of years ago they were and the ball and held

919
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: the ball for forty minutes and it was pretty hard

920
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: to beat him. Well, if they don't do that, can

921
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: they win? And I don't know that they can. Did

922
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: you watch the first episode of Being Cavalary? You know,

923
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: I had a million people tell me about it, and

924
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: I know I did not watch it. I I will

925
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: go back and watch it, though. I'll go back and

926
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: watch I heard Jay was the start of the show.

927
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, when did you find out

928
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: after he got the job that he was going back

929
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: to play? When when did that happen? In August? Well,

930
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. We went and um early August,

931
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: we all went down to Nashville and hung out with him,

932
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: and you know, I audition to him. I had gotten

933
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: to know him, um a little bit. But our crew

934
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: went to Nashville to hang out with him and it

935
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: was great. We had a blast. I mean, you know,

936
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: I I'll be honest. I missed my flight the next

937
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: morning home because we had we had a good time

938
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: the night before. I so I really liked Jay, um,

939
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: you know, and you know I thought he had the

940
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: potential would be really good at you know, who knows

941
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: in hindsight. You know, it's one of those things where

942
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, if he really said you know, the things

943
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: that he said and once the green once the red

944
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: light went on, he would have been phenomenal because he

945
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: did not he did not skew things. So you know,

946
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: some guys say that and when the camera goes on

947
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: then they could clamb up and they don't, you know,

948
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: So it's it's hard to say. In my heart of hearts,

949
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: I think he had a chance to be really good.

950
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: So when the dolphin thing happened, Gates was his boy,

951
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: and you know, with Tannehill went down, I kind of

952
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: saw it on the wall. But even he told me like,

953
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm not really sure. But let's

954
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: face it, um, you know, when you're when your buddy

955
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: calls and says, hey, who you had a really good

956
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: year with last time he was with you, and he said,

957
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: I'll give you ten million, it's pretty hard to turn

958
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: down for four thousand, isn't it. I mean, it doesn't

959
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: matter what you're doing. So I think just just common

960
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: math just made sense for him to go back and

961
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: do that means it's it's basically like seven fifty game.

962
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a no brainer. Do you think

963
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: he'll come back? You know, you think you'll end up

964
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: doing TV or now that extra little uh he's he's

965
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: he not not football wise, I mean to the booth,

966
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: I guess he never really started, But yeah, you think

967
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: you'll end up doing that? I don't. I don't see it.

968
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: I think that I could be wrong, and and to

969
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: be honest, I haven't talked to Ja since um the

970
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: end of last football season, so I haven't talked to

971
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: him in a while. But I just I think he

972
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: did it last year because he was intrigued. Someone brought

973
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: her up Joam and you know it's like that thought

974
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: hits you're retired now what right? And he came in

975
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: and he did well in the audition and he showed promise.

976
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: So I think it was like, well, this is this

977
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: could be pretty cool. I don't think before that he

978
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: ever thought about it, and I think that now he

979
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: went and played another year, and um, I just I

980
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: don't I think it was just one of those things

981
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: at the time, like he was into it. And maybe

982
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: if he if he did it last year, who knows,

983
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: maybe he's doing it for the next twenty. But I

984
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: don't get the feeling that he's going to do it again.

985
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: I think we'll find something else if any. I mean,

986
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to work. He's got he's got enough money. Okay,

987
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: last question, I've always thought about this. Since you've been

988
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: with him, You've seen who this person is. Do you

989
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: know who is a Rod's Instagram story assistant? And do

990
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: you know what that job pays? Because if it pays

991
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: like two fifty grand, I'll do it for one seventy five.

992
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: Just the guy that goes around it might be a

993
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: girl and just instant stories everything he does. If it

994
00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: pays two grand, I'll do it. Um. He doesn't change.

995
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: He has um. He has a couple of assistants, uh

996
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: that that do it, depending on I don't know the schedule,

997
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: but he usually they're the ones doing it. It's but

998
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: he loves Instagram, man, He's on Instagram all the time.

999
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Like's it's so funny, Like he'll you know, we talk

1000
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: a decent amount, but he'll be on Instagram and like,

1001
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: maybe I'll put a story up or I'll put a

1002
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: picture up, and he's like he sees it immediately and

1003
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: like messes KB. You know, it's so funny. He loves it. Man,

1004
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: He's constantly on the gram. So it's uh, he does

1005
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: have an assistant, but he's not shy but putting stuff

1006
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: out there. No, No, he's not. Did you know right

1007
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: away with him, you're like, oh, yeah, this this is

1008
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: gonna work for TV. I really hit it all with him. Well,

1009
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, I knew I. I knew him slightly in

1010
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: New York. Um, you know, I've interviewed him a few

1011
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: times and um, but I didn't know him well. And

1012
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: when he got here, we just hit it off. Man.

1013
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: He you know, he wanted to work and John, that's

1014
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: the thing. You know. He called me and he's like, hey,

1015
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, coming in this one he was still playing.

1016
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: He was coming in. He's like, hey, can you could

1017
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: come in a little earlier. I'm just nervous and I

1018
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: really look over some things and and so I just

1019
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: really respected that. I was like, yeah, I'll come in

1020
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: whenever you want me to come in, you know. So

1021
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: we came in and we went over, you know, sitting

1022
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: in the studio and where to look and some of

1023
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 1: the things and and how to prepare. And so once

1024
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: I did that, I was like, oh, this is pretty great,

1025
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: and you know, and then once we started to do it,

1026
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: he was wrong. But I just knew that he'd have

1027
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: a he'd have a feel for it, and he's just

1028
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: been awesome. He's been awesome to be around. He loves baseball.

1029
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: He's like a little kid. He's like constantly I'm telling you,

1030
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: whether it's the show as I'm hosting or doing games,

1031
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: he's like always watching. It's he's like, hey, He'll text

1032
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: me in the middle of a random game I'm doing.

1033
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: Like he's constantly watching baseball. So I mean, it's pretty

1034
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: hard not to like that, right a guy who you know,

1035
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: I know, I know he's had some scrutinies in the past, obviously,

1036
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: but he just he loves his sport. It's it's it's

1037
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: out of it's not a fake thing. He loves talking baseball,

1038
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: so it's a natural fit. I agree. I mean, his

1039
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: give a ship level for the sport is is if

1040
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: there were more people like him around, the sport probably

1041
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 1: doing better. I mean, it's high I mean, you gotta

1042
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: give him that, all right. He cares and he's worth

1043
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 1: so much damn money. He doesn't need to be doing

1044
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff. So clearly he just likes being around

1045
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: the game. He does, and he's driven. I mean, did

1046
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: I did I think that a Rod would be hosting

1047
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: the view when he was then playing? No? I did

1048
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: not see that one coming. But you John More powered

1049
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: to him, brother, guys, to go get her and if

1050
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: you could get it, man, good for him. Well thanks

1051
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: a lot, Kevin. I I can't wait for Niners vikings. Man,

1052
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: it cannot get here soon enough. And uh, enjoy the

1053
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: rest of the summer. Look forward to Fox Sports whip around.

1054
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: Are you doing that for the next month or two? Yeah,

1055
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: we're doing that, and we got the All Star Game

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Speaker 1: in DC. Uh doing that and then for you know,

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Speaker 1: it'll got preseason football game and away we go. Man,

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Speaker 1: can't wait. Awesome, man, I appreciate you coming on and

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Speaker 1: talk to you soon, all right, John, Thanks buddy, Kevin Burkhart,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, what a stud. Absolute man. Well, I

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Speaker 1: can't in the podcast not doing a middlecoff mail bag

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Speaker 1: because that was a pretty long interview. I'm I'm only

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Speaker 1: gonna do a couple of questions. I got a bunch.

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Speaker 1: You go to iTunes, subscribe rate in the review section,

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Speaker 1: leave a question. I do it every week Middlecoff mail bag.

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Speaker 1: I will get to your questions eventually. We just it's

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Speaker 1: been slow. Kevin is just easy to talk to. Talk

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Speaker 1: to him for a long time. And you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna do with Joe Rogan three our podcast here.

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Speaker 1: But like I said earlier, we're gonna stick with the

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Speaker 1: college theme the Athletic dot Com backslash j Middle for off.

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Speaker 1: Uh just an absolute huge college push right now on

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Speaker 1: the website. And I got a pretty good college question.

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Speaker 1: And I worked for those of you don't know. I

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Speaker 1: worked in recruiting before I got to the NFL for

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Speaker 1: two years for Pat Hill at Fresno State. And UH,

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Speaker 1: back then, we had recruited Derek Carr, he was signed,

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Speaker 1: he was committed before I got there. Guys like uh,

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Speaker 1: Davante Adams came right after I left. Ryan Matthews, who

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Speaker 1: was a first round pick didn't obviously live up to it.

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Speaker 1: It was an incredible college player. So we we had

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Speaker 1: a good amount of NFL guys that actually thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: Kenny Wiggins, Bryce Harris, Cody Wickman, a decent amount of

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Speaker 1: guys that are still kind of hanging around in the league.

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Speaker 1: And that was oh eight O nine. This is a

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Speaker 1: good one though from Steven m In college, it's known

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Speaker 1: that winning tradition schools are capable to recruit the five

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Speaker 1: star players with more ease than smaller school ones. For sure.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that coaches at the little brother programs

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Speaker 1: have to coach at a higher level just to be

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Speaker 1: able to compete, For example, Kirby Smart at Georgia elevating

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Speaker 1: them to a championship game, I'm gonna disagree here with

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Speaker 1: you in a second. Or even Mike Gundy at Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: State being in the mix every you know, every year,

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Speaker 1: even though they don't receive the Blue Chippers. Would Stoops

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Speaker 1: be as good at Oklahoma State? We're saving an Auburn

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Speaker 1: the one. I'd say that Georgia is a top tier

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Speaker 1: program and they just had three guys go, you know,

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Speaker 1: pick pick eight, pick, you know, multiple guys go in

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Speaker 1: the twenties and then another guy in the early thirties.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're producing a lot of NFL guys. I

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Speaker 1: would say Oklahoma State, it's not like a Boise State

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Speaker 1: or a Fresno State or a UCF. Oklahoma State's pretty

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Speaker 1: damn good too. They just had a bunch of guys

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Speaker 1: get drafted. But I hear what you're saying. I think

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Speaker 1: the problem with this logic is Gundy is kind of

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Speaker 1: an outlier because Oklahoma State has so much money. You know,

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Speaker 1: Tennessee cam Colin and he turned them down. Typically, the

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Speaker 1: Saban or the Stoops, they just end up at the top.

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Speaker 1: The Urban Meyer, the Pete Carroll kind of took a

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Speaker 1: different route, but they just end up at the cream

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Speaker 1: of the crop program. That's just that's just how it works.

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Speaker 1: They have the most resources, they have the the most

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Speaker 1: ability for you to win. I think when you're talking

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Speaker 1: the smaller schools, like it's why Chris Peterson ended up

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Speaker 1: leaving Boise. You know, Pat Hill was rare and he

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Speaker 1: ended up getting fired because he probably stayed at Frezen

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Speaker 1: State too long. Uh. You saw Scott Frost went home

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Speaker 1: to Nebraska. He clearly loved UCF. When you stay think

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Speaker 1: about it this way, like if you stay at a

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Speaker 1: little business and you're just absolutely kicking asks, It's why

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Speaker 1: a lot of little businesses end up selling even though

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Speaker 1: maybe in their heart of hearts they know you know

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Speaker 1: I'm selling. Let's say I made the business from nothing,

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Speaker 1: I sell it for a hundred million dollars, even though

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Speaker 1: deep down, if I started from scratch, I might think

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Speaker 1: it's worth five million. But sometimes it's just too hard

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Speaker 1: to pass up and there's a huge risk. Sometimes it

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Speaker 1: goes the other way. Chris Peterson developed such a reputation

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Speaker 1: his last year at Boise. They were not very good.

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Speaker 1: They had plateaued Scott Frost. You could he peeked like

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get any better than at at UCF. He

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Speaker 1: had to leave now, h I saw it firsthand with

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Speaker 1: Pat Hill. He turned down some NFL jobs, he turned

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Speaker 1: down some Packed twelve jobs. It probably ultimately came back

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Speaker 1: to buy him in the ass. It's why you always

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Speaker 1: leave when Texas calls, when Oklahoma calls, when Alabama l

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Speaker 1: s U, when those type schools usc You know Oregon, Hell,

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Speaker 1: you saw it last year, Willie Taggart. Oregon is an

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Speaker 1: unreal job. It's probably if sc is the best job

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Speaker 1: on the West coast, Oregon might be number two. It's

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Speaker 1: better in U. C l A. It's now Stanford is winning.

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Speaker 1: But that historically is not a great job. Washington had

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Speaker 1: been a shitty job for a long time. I would

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Speaker 1: say that Oregon is the second best job of the

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Speaker 1: better than either Arizona schools, better in Boise State, and

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Speaker 1: he left because it was Florida state he had to leave.

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Speaker 1: Oregon is a the second best job on the West

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Speaker 1: coast Florida States, obviously the top five job in the country.

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Speaker 1: You know, he just was a no brainer. So I

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Speaker 1: see what you're saying, But I think the logic is

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Speaker 1: just flawed. Guys leave because you have to leave. It's

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Speaker 1: as Pat Hill once told me at Fresno State, and

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Speaker 1: and it's so true. He said, the difference between a

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Speaker 1: Fresno State of Boise or a USC you know, or

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Speaker 1: an Oregon is basically every pick they get, and he's

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Speaker 1: talking recruiting, is a first round pick. If you're at

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Speaker 1: USC if you're in Alabama, if you're at Oklahoma, every

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Speaker 1: draft pick you have, all of your fifteen to twenty scholarships,

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Speaker 1: you have to give it every year our first rounders.

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Speaker 1: If you're at Boise, you're at Fresno, you're at UCF,

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Speaker 1: you're even at the second tier Big five programs. You know,

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Speaker 1: like an Oregon State, like uh, thinking the SEC like

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Speaker 1: a Kentucky, Hell, even a Mississippi State. You kind of

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Speaker 1: have to hustle. You know you're getting second, third, fourth,

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Speaker 1: fifth round picks. You better hit, you better coach and develop.

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Speaker 1: It is just a much, much bigger challenge and it's

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Speaker 1: why all these coaches leave and they always will. It's

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Speaker 1: not even the money now is so gigantic. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's not a great separator anymore because you can become

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Speaker 1: a millionaire these smaller programs. I'm not saying that they

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Speaker 1: don't make more money when they leave to the bigger programs,

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Speaker 1: but to me, it's just the ability to win at

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Speaker 1: the highest level. It's the ability to play on primetime

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Speaker 1: ESPN games on Saturday Night, it's the ability to make

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Speaker 1: at the smaller schools. Hell, even now, Auburn is a

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Speaker 1: pretty damn good job. You can win national championships there

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Speaker 1: was so with Saving been as good as Auburn at

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Speaker 1: What with Stoops has been good at Oklahoma State, probably not,

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Speaker 1: But with Saving been as good at Auburn maybe not

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Speaker 1: quite as good because let's call it what it is. Alabama's,

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Speaker 1: you know, a better football program historically than Auburn, but

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Speaker 1: you know, we're Auburn ain't exactly you know Washington State here,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've been to multiple national championships. It's like

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Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, so it's pretty I am good school.

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Speaker 1: They beat saving a couple of times to get there.

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Speaker 1: So I think he might not have five national championships,

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Speaker 1: but he probably have three. Uh. And you can read

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Speaker 1: all about stuff like this at the Athletic dot Com

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Speaker 1: backslash j Middle. I will get to all of your

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Speaker 1: questions in an upcoming mail back. We've had a long,

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Speaker 1: long interview. I probably won't do an interview next week

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Speaker 1: will just be more we'll just dive deep into football

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Speaker 1: and training camps are starting, I think officially the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 1: The veterans reported today, So by the time we talked

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Speaker 1: next week, all the all the teams and people will

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Speaker 1: be flowing in. So I appreciate everyone listening. Uh, you

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Speaker 1: guys have been crushing it. I will keep just bringing

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Speaker 1: it for you, and uh, I'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. To and Out podcast on a Colin

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