1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, and welcome to our first episode of Unfiltered 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: the JBL Podcast, a JBL podcast produced by iHeartRadio. I 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: am Betty who hi, and I am so excited to 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: be his starting this journey with all of you. This 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: podcast is meant to be a place to minimize the 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: noise and tune into what's unapologetically real and unfiltered. So 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: every episode I chat with the innovators and disruptors who 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: have taken a leap and dead to stand out. Yes. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: So today's episode, though, we're going to start things off 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: a little differently because while I am also the host 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: of this podcast today, I am also going to be 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: the guest question mark. I know it's crazy, you guys. 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know me, I 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: am an entertainer and a songwriter and an actor. We're 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: going to hear a little bit about that in this conversation. 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: But I have spent the last ten years seeing how 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: music can affect the world. I want to use my 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: powers for good instead of evil, and connecting with people 19 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: through vulnerable storytelling and sharing space with people is the 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: number one way I have figured out how to create 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: change and start conversations. So I obviously relate so much 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: to the journeys our guests have taken finding their voice. 23 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: It's so hard being a creative person and trying to 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: figure out who you are. So today I am lucky 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: enough to share my story with all of you if 26 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: you will allow me. But since I cannot interview myself, 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: our producer Sierra Kaisa is going to step into the 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: interviewer role for this one. So what do you say? 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: Should we hop to it? Let's get to my story. Hi, Sierra, Hey, Beddy? 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: What is Oh? You know, I'm just doing great. I'm 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: so happy to be here with you in conversation. 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: What are some of your first like music memories and 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: you know where that started for you? 34 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: Sure? Well, I started playing cello when I was four, 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: so I feel like that was definitely like an early 36 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: childhood sort of cello lessons, being in the young kids 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: orchestra and ensembles and stuff like that. Actually playing music, 38 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: so much of that is rooted in cello. 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: And now I'm kind of expecting to hear a cello 40 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: performance from you, but I'll let you sit on that idea, Sierra. 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: I will tell you the album that I'm putting out 42 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: is about to have the first song that I've ever 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: played cello on. No way, I know we're really doing it, 44 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: but it's official. I know it took me a long 45 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: time to get here, but I've made it. 46 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: That's called full circle, So it is. I can't wait 47 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: to hear it. 48 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: Thank you from Cello. 49 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: How did you get into singing and where were you 50 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: first performing on stage? 51 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: So I did a lot of musical theater programs and 52 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: stuff kind of outside of school. I'm a real theater 53 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: kid at HAS. I don't know if you get that 54 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: energy for me. I don't know if my extra version 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: is really giving you all that you need to know already. 56 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: And I think that was really where I found the 57 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: love for singing and performing, but especially singing and storytelling. 58 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: I started writing songs when I was fourteen, and that 59 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: really kind of blossomed, and it was my way of 60 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: expressing myself. And I just felt like I had these 61 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: big feelings and I had to put them somewhere, and 62 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: that's kind of where it'll start. 63 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: It. 64 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: It just grew sort of beyond my wildest dreams. 65 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: And so when you first started, and especially like at fourteen, 66 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: trying to write songs, did you have stage right them 67 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: was it kind of like writing in my journal trying 68 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: to make these songs for fun? Or were you like 69 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: I'm taking this to the stage. 70 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Full like it's not ready yet, Like I couldn't possibly. No, 71 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: I think the theater kid in me was like everybody 72 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: look at me. I think I definitely had like maybe 73 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: some overconfidence if nothing else, that's pretty aggressive. But I 74 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: think I'm very grateful for the part of my brain 75 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: that didn't really feel embarrassment or shame in high school. 76 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: I think I'm very rare in that instance. So love 77 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: that for me, love that for her. But I definitely 78 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: think that I have always felt much more comfortable. I 79 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: always felt that way about cello, like I was playing 80 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: it for me, but I felt really uncomfortable sharing it. 81 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: And I think understanding at a really young age that 82 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: I felt like I had something to say as a 83 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: singer and songwriter in a different way than I did 84 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: as a cellist really helped put that in perspective. 85 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. And when you were trying to start 86 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: writing and getting used to that, were you very pop 87 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: focused at that time or was there like a different 88 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: vibe were you being angsty? Like how has that changed 89 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: to what the music you put out now. 90 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I wish that my I mean, it 91 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: was pretty I guess it was pretty angsty. It wasn't 92 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: full emo like to not you know, like full It 93 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't go full there, but I definitely think 94 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: it was. It was about feeling. It was about heartbreak. 95 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: But I think still to this day, like at my core, 96 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm such a Sarah barrellis Missy Higgins Ingrid Michaelson, Like 97 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: I was the era of Gray's Anatomy music. You know, 98 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: it was like that was very important to culture. And 99 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like something that's so silly now because of 100 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: the way that we consume music, but like that was huge. 101 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: I remember seeing these songs that were like heartbreaking and 102 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: about something that like storytelling that matches this moment. And 103 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: so I think I spent the first ten years of 104 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: my professional life really being in the pop world, wanting 105 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: to go there because I love Brittany, and I love 106 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: and I grew up on the j LO and these 107 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: incredible female entertainers that I wanted to be just like. 108 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: And now I had to step back and be like, 109 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: what am I really good at? Actually? What's well? Who 110 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: am I as opposed to who we're all. I know 111 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: who those people are, like who am I? And so 112 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: I think a huge part of that has been coming 113 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: back to my songwriter roots and love for storytelling and 114 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: really focusing on that. And I was like, what if 115 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: I just wrote songs. That's what I think. I'm actually 116 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: really good at. 117 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I mean at this rate, I think I 118 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: smell like a Brandy Carlile collaboration in your future. 119 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: Don't Sierra, Sierra, Sierra, I'm getting really close to the mic. Sierra, 120 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: don't start with me. I will poop my pants. Brandy, 121 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: Brandy Carlile's voice, her and those twins, her and those 122 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: fucking twins and those three part harmonies that she's been 123 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: cooking out for ten years. I Brandy Carlisle speaks to 124 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: the depths of my soul. 125 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: Oh man, Well, that's how i feel about you and Brandy, 126 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: which is why I'm hyped to be here, because you 127 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: know what I was like, I would love to work 128 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: with ahu. I think she's perfect for this podcast, and 129 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: you're here now, so I feel like we're in the 130 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: space to manifest you and Brandy. 131 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: Sierra. You are a powerful manifestor. I feel it already. 132 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm speaking into the universe. Mis Carlisle. Hey, hey, Brandy, 133 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: call a bitch. You know where to find us any day. 134 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: We all know and love you for like all these 135 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: pop bangers and just like something you could really dance 136 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: to and feel outside of yourself. And so I'm wondering, like, 137 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: who were some other people you know you mentioned Brittany 138 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: and Beyonce and any genre that you looked up to 139 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: growing up, and how they have an influence on your 140 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 2: work now. 141 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a huge part of my process in 142 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: the last couple of years leading into this record has 143 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: been about realizing all of the people that I am 144 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: not and all of the people that I did look 145 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: up to and wanted to be just like, and then 146 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: realizing that that's who they are, of course, and I 147 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: have to figure out who I am and be that 148 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: instead of trying to be them. And so Brittany and 149 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: Beyonce as a kid, like they were at the height 150 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: of pop culture of being the most important women in 151 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: the business in my eyes, was also up there too. 152 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: They all are triple threats in all these different ways. 153 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: But I think those women were born into different bodies 154 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: than I was born into. I'm really tall, I'm over 155 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: six feet tall. I think that's alone has given me 156 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: a really singular life experience. Like me and the girls 157 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: in the WNBA like holding it down. Most people like 158 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 1: don't really understand what that feels like, and so coming 159 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: to terms with the fact that that actually makes me 160 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: really different and I should lean into that instead of 161 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: trying to hide it and pretend like I'm everybody else. 162 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: Now I'm finally at a secure enough place in my 163 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: life where I can take inspiration and be a fan 164 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: and consume the art and music from all of these 165 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: different artists and also understand what is and isn't mine 166 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: and letting them be them and knowing that there's enough 167 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: room for all of us. 168 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: I love that, And don't think us fans didn't notice 169 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: you and Unpregnant. When I saw you on the screen, 170 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: I literally fell off the couch and like flew out 171 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: the window. 172 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, so shook. 173 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: You were great in it. 174 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god, babies first movie. Thank you. You are so. 175 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: Great and so high in it like your peak Sierra. 176 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: Wow. I was six two coming into this conversation. Now 177 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm six foot eight. I just grew 178 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: half a foot. I can't believe it. I'm so excited. 179 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm jacked up. Thank you. 180 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: Do you think a lot about how your role model 181 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: for your own fans. 182 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: Before this record? I don't think that I thought about 183 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: it a lot. I think I was very like, I 184 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: can barely figure my fucking self out, so like I 185 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: can't think for I can't be a role mode. I'm 186 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: barely a role model for myself. I definitely think that's 187 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: changed for me. You know, I'm a little older. I 188 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: think I've spent a lot of time with myself in 189 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, as all of us were 190 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: kind of forced to. I think a huge part of 191 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: that was realizing that little me, you know, ten year 192 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: old me was watching Britney Spears, who's five foot six 193 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: and one hundred pounds, and like, that's amazing for her, 194 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: and I love that for her, and like, you know, 195 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: chic so nineties, you know, it's like giving tiny girl. 196 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: But I didn't see artists that reflected me back to myself. 197 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: And that's maybe why it took me an extra ten 198 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: years of my adult life to be able to figure 199 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: that something that seems so fundamentally obvious. It's like, no, 200 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: you have to be yourself it's like duh, like, of 201 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: course I do, but it's taken me so long to 202 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: process how to do that, and I'm still really I'm 203 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: in it. And so I think now that I've come 204 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: to realize that about myself, I think about ten year 205 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: old me and how badly she needed somebody to be 206 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: that person. And now I think I understand the age 207 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: old adage. With great power comes great responsibility, and I 208 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: think I feel more comfortable and capable of carrying that 209 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: now and maybe more like excited to, like I want 210 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: to be on stage and be proud of who I 211 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: am and show other particularly young women. I think young 212 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: queer people is really the people I really want to 213 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: speak to, but also especially young women. I have such 214 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: a soft spot now for this young person inside of me, 215 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: and now I think I'm way more excited and ready 216 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: to stand on stage and be like, hey, you like 217 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: in the audience this you little girl, Like we are 218 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: the same. You can be anything you want to be. 219 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why representation is so important and so powerful. 220 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: So when you were finding yourself and who you were 221 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: as an artist, how did you find that place where 222 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: you felt comfortable expressing what finally felt like your true self. 223 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: I think I've really been standing in my own way 224 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: for a long time, as I think maybe that's what 225 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: we do. I think so often we are the cause 226 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: and solution to our own problems. I think that making 227 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: better choices for ourselves is always a way that we 228 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: can take care of ourselves better. I think being self 229 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: aware enough about what's not working that was definitely something 230 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: I really had to overcome. Was I spent a decade 231 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: being like, well, this is just how I do it, 232 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: because this has been how I do it, and this 233 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: is what everybody else is doing, So I guess I 234 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: should do that and taking a second to stop and 235 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: actually ask myself what do I really want? How does 236 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: this look if I have everything I want? And then 237 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: trying those things on and going, oh, if this doesn't work, 238 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: I can make a different choice. 239 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: More from Betty Who after a quick break, and now 240 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: back to our conversation with Betty Who. On the show, 241 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: we want to really explore how artists approach their art, 242 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: but also like the confidence that informs that art and 243 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: just you know, they have to be kind of synonymous. 244 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: And so I'm wondering the confidence that you bring to 245 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: your persona as an artist and an entertainer. Is it 246 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: informed by the confidence you have as a person, and 247 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: do they kind of deviate and how do you see 248 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: them interacting with each other? 249 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: Confidence is absolutely like I know people say this, but 250 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: genuinely it is fake it till you make it like there, 251 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: nobody has any more or less right to be somewhere 252 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: or be better at something or be doing something. Like 253 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: you showing up and saying I deserve to be here 254 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: because I'm awesome, and you should want to be with 255 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: me and work with me and do the stuff with 256 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: me is really all. It takes a lot of the 257 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: time and the rest is just like experience points that 258 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: you gain through learning and falling on your face. The 259 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: part that speaks to me in songwriting is also the 260 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: part that can like send me into a manic depressive 261 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: episode for days at a time. So now I'm trying 262 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: to have better boundaries with that creative part of me. 263 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: And also it's kind of like I picture it often 264 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: as the Pixar movie inside Out, where like there's the 265 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: creative little noodle in my brain and when she's like 266 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: acting a full or having a tantrum, I will fully 267 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: say to myself like hey, hey, you're in a timeout. 268 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with you right now. This 269 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: is not the time for this. You're gonna sit down. 270 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring joy out. I'm gonna bring happiness out, 271 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna live with them for a second, and 272 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: you can rejoin us when you're feeling like it. You know, 273 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: I think that agency and self awareness about the different 274 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: parts of you and where they are best used is 275 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: something that's taken me. That's like a big adult thing. 276 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: That's a grown up thing for me that I have 277 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 1: like been coming into you now is having the agency 278 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: and making the choice to put the parts of my 279 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: brain in a timeout when they need to be in 280 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: a timeout. 281 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's like a perfect way to picture it, 282 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: because hey, that's an amazing movie and it's actually so clear. 283 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: It's like just let joy take over. And sometimes you 284 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 2: have to just make yourself sit down. 285 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: Well and also say like, hey, you don't get to 286 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: ruin this moment for me right now, you to yourself, 287 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, hey, self sabotage, you 288 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: don't get to do this to me. I've worked my 289 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: whole life for this moment so that one day when 290 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: hopefully all of my dreams are coming true and I'm 291 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: sitting on stage at the Grammys about to sing for everybody. 292 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: It's like, no, that's of course, because I've been waiting 293 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: this my whole life for this moment, and I don't 294 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: want to miss those moments while I'm getting them, you know. 295 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, hell yeah, yeah. 296 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: Manifest Speaking of manifesting, we got the Grammys, Brandy Carlyle 297 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: doing a lot. We'll just keep adding to the list. 298 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: We'll do like a moon ritual, Sierra. I'm ready some woochshit. 299 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: We're on our witchshit. 300 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 2: So as a musician, you have a lot of crossover 301 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: with also being a staple of queer culture. Who are 302 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: some of your LGBTQ role models growing up? 303 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: I think growing up, funnily enough, there weren't that many 304 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: that I can't like that were really important or sort of. 305 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: I was surrounded by queer culture in Sydney. It was 306 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: always like from a young age, I definitely felt as 307 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: though people could be themselves and I knew that. But 308 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: as far as like in the media, especially in Australia, 309 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a really there's a lot of you know, 310 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: internalized homophobia in so many Western I mean in so 311 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: many countries all over the world. When I think about 312 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: like Peter Allen, the singer songwriter who has written some 313 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: of my favorite music, and the iconic song I Still 314 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Call Australia Home, which is one of my most favorite 315 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: songs of all times, just speaks to my soul in 316 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: my childhood, where I felt like gay culture was so 317 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: on the outskirts of culture, even though gay culture was 318 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: what informed pop culture, but we all just pretended like 319 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: it didn't. And now we've arrived at a place where 320 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: we respect and understand that gay culture is the driving 321 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: force for all of culture because the gays have the 322 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: best taste, and that's what they always say, like first 323 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: the gays, than the girls, than the world. Like I 324 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: fully subscribe to that belief, and I think it's I 325 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: feel really lucky to be living in a time when 326 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: being queer is a lot more accepted. I don't want 327 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: to say that it's like everything's dandy and fabulous, you know. 328 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: I often struggle with being a queer person who's in 329 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: like a heteronormative relationship and how strange I think that 330 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: reads to other people Where I go, I'm just following 331 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: my truth, and like I found this person that I'm 332 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: obsessed with and I want to marry and he's the 333 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: best partner on the planet and I love that. But 334 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm also like really queer presenting, and I feel really queer, 335 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: and I think I act really queer, and so giving 336 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: myself the permission to be myself regardless of the circumstances 337 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: or what I think people will feel or see for me, 338 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to lead by example. If I'm 339 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: going to tell my fans, if I'm going to tell 340 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: people who come to a show to be themselves and 341 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: be comfortable with that, and I'm not doing the same thing, 342 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: I think it sucks as hypocritical. So I'm trying to 343 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: to really live into it. It's really scary, it's really intense, 344 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: and I'm very inspired by so many incredible artists who 345 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: have found their voice and their comfort in themselves in 346 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: a way that really inspires me to be myself. Like 347 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: Jake Wesley Rodgers. Do you know Jake Wesley Rodgers. Yeah, Yeah, 348 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite artists that exists right now. 349 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: I remember hearing their song that goes hate on me. 350 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: You might as well hate the sun for shining just 351 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: a little too much. Of the lyrics in the song. 352 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: I just was like, yes, exactly that, Hey, you got it, 353 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: that's the thing. So shine bright sister, you know. And 354 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: I remind myself of that all the time and take 355 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: the inspiration that I get from these artists, most of 356 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: whom are younger than me. You know. It's like the 357 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: new generation that's coming up of musicians like are so 358 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: comfortable being themselves. It's like that's crazy, you know. 359 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, like you're saying, we're still 360 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: digging out of it, but there's a lot of brightness 361 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: to the future, which is just sick to just watch happening. 362 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: It's like a really, really beautiful thing. 363 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: My best friend was with her cousins for dinner younger 364 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: than fifteen. She was trying to like, you know, be 365 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: the cool, you know, millennial aunt and was like, tell 366 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: me about your lie, you know what's there getting crushes? 367 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: Like who are we into these days? And all of 368 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: them went around and said a boy and girl, Oh 369 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: my god. And she was like it was the coolest thing. 370 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: I didn't tell them, you know, she was like, I 371 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: didn't force anything. They were literally just like Zendeia is 372 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: so pretty. I have the biggest crush on her, but 373 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: then I guess also like Harry Styles, and it's like, 374 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: oh my god, cool vibe. I love this for us, 375 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: We've made it. 376 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so crazy to think like that is where 377 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 2: we're moving and I just can't wait to see it, 378 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: like doubling over on it for everyone to just be 379 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: comfortable in that space. 380 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. Queer people are joy. I genuinely believe that 381 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: it's magic being able to be yourself, and there's so 382 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: much hatred in the hearts of people who hate queer people. 383 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: I think that's very much what your music and your 384 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: whole persona gives off, which is like the most beautiful 385 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: part of it. 386 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: My brand is strong. Thank you, Sierrah. 387 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: I love that it's coming through loud and clear. 388 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: It's coming through. 389 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: I'm wondering, what do you want your legacy as an 390 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: artist to be? 391 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: Oh A tough A toughee for the end here, Sierra. 392 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: I think I'm really good at holding space for people. 393 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: I think I like to live into myself in the 394 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: most loud and comfortable version of that so that other 395 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: people see me and they're like, wait, she's having so 396 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: much fun. Can I have fun? I think humans often 397 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: wait for permission from somebody else to live their best life. 398 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: And so I think the thing I really want, the 399 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: legacy I want to leave is that I lived into 400 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: myself and I was honest about who I am and 401 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: it encouraged other people to be their truer, bigger selves. 402 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: You know. 403 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: Hell yah, And I think you're heading in that. 404 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: Actually, I'm trying to find it. I'm trying to figure 405 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: it out. Thank you, Siah. Oh. 406 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: We ask all of our guests about not only finding 407 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: their calling, professionally finding themselves and living authentically. So what 408 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: has your journey of living authentically been like? And how 409 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: do you see that? 410 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: My journey of living authentically has definitely been a long one. 411 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: I think it's just been a process of getting deeper 412 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: into what that really means and uncovering layers and making 413 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: choices about who I really want to be. You know, 414 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: I think making bold choices and trying things on and go, 415 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: oh my god, who is she? 416 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: Like? 417 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: What is this part of myself? Can I access it? 418 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: Do? 419 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: I want to? You know? We are so untapped and 420 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: I love exploring and I hope to get deeper into 421 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: it only as I grow and get older. 422 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and how would you describe yourself as a person 423 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: and as an artist. 424 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: I would describe myself as a person, I would say 425 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: I am loving, and I talk too much, and I 426 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: will ride from my friends and family to the end 427 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: of the earth. I think as an artist, I would 428 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: say that I want to hold space and honestly put 429 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: on the most fun show anybody's ever been to. I 430 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: want to have so much fun on stage that everybody 431 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: is like, I can't believe how much fun she's having. 432 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: I'm having fun and I'm only having like thirty percent 433 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: of the fun that she's having. That's the vibe that 434 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: I want to create. 435 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 2: All part of that legacy. Baby. Yeah, what is the 436 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: hardest part about being authentic for you? And finding that 437 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: contentment with who you are? 438 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: I think the hottest part about being authentic for me 439 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: is actually probably sharing it with people who don't know me, 440 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: and then I go out into the world and people 441 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: judge me for that. But I also think the whole 442 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: point is probably to like toughen up your skin because 443 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: nobody can judge me but me. I was born free, 444 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: as Beyonce says, and I think that that's the place 445 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm really trying to get to is like, this is 446 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: who I am today. It's okay if I want to 447 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: change or make a different choice tomorrow. And if someone 448 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: judges me today, that's about them, it's not about me. 449 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: And I'm still living my true self and doing the 450 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: best that I can. 451 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: And when you're living your true self and trying to 452 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: achieve that, what is your favorite way to feel your best? 453 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: My favorite way, honestly to feel my best probably is dancing. 454 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: I know I'm a musician and we've talked a lot 455 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: about music and creative process like that, but I come 456 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: alive on a dance floor, especially like a wedding dance floor. 457 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: If I wasn't a musician, I think I would start 458 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: like a party company. But it's not event planning. It's 459 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: like no, no, no, you hire me to come make your 460 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: party fun. I'm gonna get all your great I'm gonna 461 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: get your grandma on the dance floor, all the aunties 462 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: are gonna be obsessed with me. Just you wait. It's 463 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: one hundred percent on a dance floor, just like feeling myself. 464 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: I mean people stream she can dance by Betty Who, 465 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: wherever you find in music. 466 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Sierra, She knows. She gets it. 467 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: We get it. 468 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: We're tying it in. 469 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: What is your favorite music or artists to listen to? 470 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: Oof ever changing on a big podcast kick. I like 471 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 1: audio books. I like to listen to stories. I like 472 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: to learn. I think I'm in a like input because 473 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: I've been on output for so many months. But I 474 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: know that's kind of a cop out to your question. 475 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: I guess if I'm listening to any artists for real, 476 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm listening again listening to a lot of musical theater. 477 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: It's like storytime for me. I'm thinking about storytelling, and 478 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: I have like a pretty bang and musical theater playlist 479 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: that be on in the shower. 480 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you gotta bring that's the best place 481 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: to belt it. So you got to bring out the 482 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: theater kid. 483 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: Oh big time. I've got range in that shower like 484 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: no one's ever heard. I guess, if we're really being honest, 485 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: probably the only music that I have consistently been listening 486 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: to is Renaissance. She's got me out here, like, Hey, 487 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: I want to be on a dance floor. I like, 488 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: I really Beyonce is too. I have a Beyonce tattoo. 489 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: I have a WWBD what would Beyonce do tattoo my 490 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: guy right there. So it's very like renaissance is very important. 491 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: Should have led I should have started, That's so obvious. 492 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: I should have started with that. 493 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: And what advice do you have for others who may 494 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: be listening and struggling with finding themselves and figuring out 495 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: who they are? You know, especially as young people. 496 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: You're exactly where you're meant to be right now. Everything 497 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: that is coming for you will come when it's meant 498 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: to come. And be grateful about today. It's presence. It's 499 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: about enjoying literally the moment that you're in because it's over. 500 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: You know, it is all a part of the journey. 501 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: And be kind to yourself. And if there's something today 502 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: that you don't like about yourself, do something tomorrow to 503 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: change that and make that something that you can love 504 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: about yourself. You know, And you're on the journey, and 505 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: I believe in you. 506 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: Literally as you're speaking, I'm like growing a small blonde 507 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: like wig. I'm becoming Betty Who in spirit, which is 508 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: oh really really everything I've ever wanted. 509 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: I think we should get the entire team Betty Who 510 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: wigs for these interviews. I think that would be really important. 511 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: Mollie's nodding, We've got the whole team on board. Okay, great. 512 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: Last question I spoke about the type of music you 513 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: started out with. When did you know that the music 514 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 2: you were making was like one hundred percent like Betty 515 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: Who and who you wanted to be. 516 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: I actually know exactly when that moment was. I spent 517 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: So I went to Beckley College of Music in Boston, 518 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: which was my college education. And the person that I 519 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: met there who was probably the most impactful person in 520 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: my adult life was Peter Thomas, who was my collaborator, 521 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: co writer and producer of my first three albums. And 522 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: so he and I spent basically three years like in 523 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: his basement in my dorm room in his parents' house, 524 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: writing and recording and trying stuff out and trying to 525 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: make songs and figuring it, like listening to Katy Perry 526 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: records and being like, how does it sound that good? 527 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: And listening to the music of the top fem Fatale 528 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: and Teenage Dream The Brittany and Katie records were like 529 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: our pop education at this moment in time. Peter sent 530 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: me a bounce of He texted me saying, I think 531 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: I figured out the drums and he texted me the 532 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: first demo of Somebody Loves You, which was my first single, 533 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: and it was the first time that I was like, 534 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: I think we could put this out. I think we 535 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: made it. So it was like twenty twelve January twenty 536 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: twelve or something was I was like, Okay, I think 537 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: we're getting somewhere. 538 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: Hell yes, shout out to Katy Perry. 539 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: Big, big shout out to miss pair of Katherine Hudson. 540 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: What a gal Katherin Hudson, the coming out of a generation. 541 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, she did kiss a girl and she 542 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: liked it. 543 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: Datty, who Thank you so much for taking the time. 544 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: I didn't think I could be more obsessed. 545 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: Sierra, Feelings Mutual, more obsessed with you now than I 546 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: ever have been. Can't believe it. Okay, that's it for 547 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: today's episode. But starting next week, I'm taking the reins 548 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: and I will be doing the interviewing. I'm going to 549 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: speak with some really amazing people and I'm excited for 550 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: you to come along with me, and I want to 551 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: hear from you. What do you think of the podcast? 552 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: Who should we have on the show, What are you 553 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: loving right now? What inspires you to live in the 554 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: world your own way, write and review us wherever you're listening, 555 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: and you can always find me on Instagram and Twitter 556 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: at Betty Who, and on TikTok and YouTube at Betty 557 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: Who Music. Until next time, dare to be bold and 558 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: dare to be yourself unfiltered. The JBL podcast is produced 559 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: by iHeartRadio and JBL. Our show is hosted by me 560 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: Betty Who. Our executive producer is Molly Sosha, Our EP 561 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: of Post Production is Matt Stillo. Our editor is Sierra Spreen. 562 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: This episode was written and produced by Sierra Kaiser. Special 563 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: thanks to our friends at JBL Initiative and Donna