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Speaker 2: That's Number one.
Speaker 1: Number two the President of the United States of America,
Speaker 1: the forty seventh President of the United States of America,
Speaker 1: mister Donald Trump, somebody that I've tried to tell y'all
Speaker 1: that I knew a little bit because we used to
Speaker 1: speak off and on throughout the years up until he
Speaker 1: ran for the presidency. Any other night when I was
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Speaker 1: he called in, that was the first time I had
Speaker 1: spoken to him and approximately eleven years. So I'll be
Speaker 1: getting into all of that in just a few minutes,
Speaker 1: but not before I get started with the NBA playoffs,
Speaker 1: as the first round comes to an end this weekend.
Speaker 1: Earlier this week, we saw the Los Angeles Lakers eliminated
Speaker 1: from playoff contention at home by the way by aunt
Speaker 1: Man himself, Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 2: The Lakers lost in.
Speaker 1: Five and the team met with the media yesterday to
Speaker 1: talk about the offseason and what needs to happen heading
Speaker 1: into next year. Head coach JJ Reddick had one thing
Speaker 1: on his mind yesterday when talking about what the Lakers
Speaker 1: need to do to improve. Take a listen.
Speaker 3: I'll start with the offseason and the work that's required
Speaker 3: in an offseason to be in championship shape. And you know,
Speaker 3: we have a ways to go as a roster, and
Speaker 3: certainly there are individuals that were in phenomenal shape. There's
Speaker 3: certainly other ones that could have been in better shape.
Speaker 1: First things first, obviously he's talking about Luka Doncic. It
Speaker 1: doesn't take a nine style to figure that out. That
Speaker 1: may not be the only person he's talking about, but
Speaker 1: clearly he's talking about him. At the very least, he's
Speaker 1: the one that's going to have the ball in his
Speaker 1: hands the majority of the time. He's going to be
Speaker 1: the frase of the franchise for the next decade, for
Speaker 1: you know, or at least a foreseeable future. He is
Speaker 1: a basketball iconic superstar globally, I might add, And so
Speaker 1: because of that, you're looking at him. You know, the
Speaker 1: conditioning or lack thereof the manner in which he was attacked,
Speaker 1: the man the fact that in Game five and the
Speaker 1: close out game, he gave up non blowbots for crowd
Speaker 1: out loud. That is something that has to be rectified.
Speaker 1: JJ Reddick knows that, and his willingness to speak about
Speaker 1: that is not hypocritical in any way, Ladies and gentleman,
Speaker 1: because JJ Reddicks say what you all about him, But
Speaker 1: he has always been somebody that has been in shape.
Speaker 1: He was always his pension and what rode his success
Speaker 1: through Duke as an All American and then ultimately on
Speaker 1: the professional basketball level was the fact that JJ Reddick's
Speaker 1: movement without the ball was obviously a very, very significant thing.
Speaker 2: The man has always been in shape.
Speaker 1: So when he talks about one's conditioning, it's not like
Speaker 1: we can look at him and call him out for anything.
Speaker 2: We certainly can't do that. That's number one.
Speaker 1: Number two, when the Lakers talk about improving their roster,
Speaker 1: understand that they don't have a boatload of things to
Speaker 1: work with. You got some players, the Austin Reeves, the
Speaker 1: ruy Hot chamor is the Jared Vanderbilts of the world
Speaker 1: that gave Vincens of the world. All of them are
Speaker 1: hovering around anywhere from eleven to thirteen million in salary.
Speaker 1: The problem with the Auster Reeves is making about thirteen million.
Speaker 1: If you move him, how much equitable conversation are you
Speaker 1: getting in return? He's established himself as a bona five,
Speaker 1: number three option for the Los Angeles Lake. He's averaged
Speaker 1: about twenty points game this year. He's improved vastly, and
Speaker 1: if you're gonna move him, okay, what kind of equitable
Speaker 1: conversation are you gonna get in return for his services?
Speaker 1: Because at thirteen million dollars, again, the salaries don't necessarily match,
Speaker 1: he's grossly underpaid. So because he's grossly underpaid, you know,
Speaker 1: it's one of those situations where if you move him,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get short changed on the return. I don't
Speaker 1: know about that. But the biggest thing it brings me
Speaker 1: to is wondering having me wondering about Lebron James. If
Speaker 1: Lebron James decides to come back for his twenty third season,
Speaker 1: which everybody in their grandmama believes he will, I think.
Speaker 2: A legitimate question to be asked is what is he
Speaker 2: playing for?
Speaker 1: Do You'll understand that since Lebron James has arrived in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, they missed the playoffs, they won a championship
Speaker 1: in the bubble, but then they spent the next three
Speaker 1: years or four years or so either missing the playoffs
Speaker 1: and getting bounced in the first round, and at least
Speaker 1: once they were swept. Since twenty twenty, okay, Lebron James
Speaker 1: has gone to the Western Conference finals. Darvin Ham's first year,
Speaker 1: all right, but other than that, he's been home in
Speaker 1: the first round or before then. So you look at
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Lakers right now, you look at the
Speaker 1: rest of the Western Conference ladies and gentlemen. Okay, So
Speaker 1: he's not going anywhere. Houston's not going anywhere, Minnesota's not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. Dallas is not going anywhere. I gave you
Speaker 1: four teams right there, and we don't even have to
Speaker 1: count all the others. We's Denver gonna fade your kitchen
Speaker 1: still around. Jamal Murray is still there, Aaron Gordon is
Speaker 1: still there, Michael Porter Junior is still there. Where they going?
Speaker 1: That's five teams. Clippers Lakers had their way with them
Speaker 1: during the regular season. The Clippers are the ones still playing,
Speaker 1: going up, going for a game seven tomorrow night in
Speaker 1: Denver in the first ride of the.
Speaker 2: Players, while the Lakers are already home and five five?
Speaker 1: What's up with them? So I gave you six teams
Speaker 1: right there? Six teams. If you're Lebron James, at some
Speaker 1: point in time, it's appropriate and fair to ask what
Speaker 1: is he playing for? Because are the Lakers gonna win?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: So he's the one with the assets. Houston is the
Speaker 1: one with the assets. Minnesota got ant Man and some
Speaker 1: defensive wizards around them, Dallas Kyrie eventually will return, Anthony Davis,
Speaker 1: Daniel Gafford, Derek Lively, they ain't going away. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying we got to pay it at you to these things.
Speaker 1: You're talking about five to six different teams for you
Speaker 1: can think about the Lakers. Lebron James is still an
Speaker 1: all world player. He's still one of the greatest, there
Speaker 1: is no question in that. But if conditioning is an
Speaker 1: issue with Luca and the ability of the Lakers front
Speaker 1: office to do something to improve the roster or all
Speaker 1: high question marks, where does that leave Lebron James? Is
Speaker 1: he really playing to win, meaning does he believe that
Speaker 1: he can win with him? Is he playing because he
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel like relocating? Is he playing so his
Speaker 1: other son could come into the NBA? These are the
Speaker 1: questions that people are asking, and I think they're legitimate
Speaker 1: because right now, with the Lakers going home in the
Speaker 1: first round, it's almost so you can't even take their
Speaker 1: regular season effort seriously anymore. You gotta wait until the
Speaker 1: postseason when teams have the opportunity to plan and play.
Speaker 2: Against them in the Best of seventh series.
Speaker 1: Can't ignore it. I certainly am not, and I don't
Speaker 1: think the rest of you can either. The situation is
Speaker 1: what it is, and there is absolutely positively nowhere around it.
Speaker 1: By the way, as an aside to the people of Dallas,
Speaker 1: can we take the heat off of Nico Harrison just
Speaker 1: to touch because you talk about somebody that doesn't look
Speaker 1: too bad today, it's Nico Harrison.
Speaker 2: Because when you look at Luka Doncic and you look at.
Speaker 1: The way everybody from Julius Randall to Mike Conley Jr.
Speaker 1: Or an ant Man to a Jada McDaniels, when you
Speaker 1: see the way everybody was blown right by him, he
Speaker 1: is a defensive liability and offensively because they pressured him
Speaker 1: ninety four feet for most of the game come fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: a time he didn't have the legs. Is he going
Speaker 1: to dedicate himself. Is he going to recognize that he's
Speaker 1: the new face of the franchise for the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna understand the reporters of making sure he's
Speaker 1: in peak condition so he could maximize his talents. Because
Speaker 1: I got news for you. As great as Luca is,
Speaker 1: and we all know he's great, you know somebody else
Speaker 1: who's having just as big of an impact as Luca
Speaker 1: is his former sub Jalen Brunson, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: helped Luca carry the Dallas Mavericks to a Western Conference
Speaker 1: finals about three years back. That same Jalen Brunson, who
Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks didn't want to get fifty three million too,
Speaker 1: and the Knicks ended up giving him over one hundred
Speaker 1: and four million dollars too before signing them to a
Speaker 1: new contract where he sacrificed one hundred million dollars which
Speaker 1: he could have signed had he waited an extra year.
Speaker 1: Just to ensure that the New York Knicks got their
Speaker 1: boy Michel Bridges, his former boy at Villanova, to come
Speaker 1: play with him with the New York Knick. Jaylen Brunson
Speaker 1: did that. That same Jaylen Brunson has carried the Knicks
Speaker 1: to a second consecutive berth into the Eastern Conference Semifinals
Speaker 1: courtesy of a one sixteen, one to thirteen victory over
Speaker 1: Detroit in Game six last night in Detroit. Jalen Brunston,
Speaker 1: as I told you, was the star, dropping forty points
Speaker 1: in the business, including a late three pointer with four
Speaker 1: seconds left in the game to seal the victory. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it, Jalen Brunson, and I'm saying to myself,
Speaker 1: this is what he brings to the table. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt about that. Mickel Bridges showed up in the open court.
Speaker 1: When you let the brother flourish, what does he do?
Speaker 1: He gets it done. He gets it done. Ann Anobe
Speaker 1: can't say enough about the defense that he put on
Speaker 1: Cane cutting him, held him like thirty two percent shooting
Speaker 1: for the series. Karl Anthony Towns not impressed with his
Speaker 1: offensive output.
Speaker 2: We need more, but we'll see what he does defensively.
Speaker 1: We'll see. So that's just where I'm at with it.
Speaker 1: I look at the New York Nicks. I'm very, very
Speaker 1: proud that they pulled this out, that they got out
Speaker 1: of the first round, no doubt about that. They advanced
Speaker 1: to the Eastern Conference second round. However, will they'll be
Speaker 1: playing against the Boston Celtics, all right, And I'll get
Speaker 1: to all of that some other time. For now, for
Speaker 1: this moment, however, I'm gonna get to somebody you all
Speaker 1: seem the love because he's got some things that he
Speaker 1: wants to say, He's got some things that he wants
Speaker 1: to add, wants to bring to the table. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine what he is, but you know what, it's Friday.
Speaker 1: I'm in a good mood. I don't mind letting my
Speaker 1: nephew come on the show. That's right, nephew, Josh joining
Speaker 1: me now to break it all down here he is?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 5: Josh?
Speaker 1: How are you man?
Speaker 4: You see me?
Speaker 5: I'm in full cele.
Speaker 2: Are you see Are you sitting? Are you sitting at
Speaker 2: my desk?
Speaker 5: This is not your desk anymore? This is our desk.
Speaker 6: So it's funny once again, you and your friends off
Speaker 6: the hook. So jj Reddick is just allowed to, like
Speaker 6: you said, he must be talking about Luka Doncik, isn't he.
Speaker 1: So that's one that's one of the things he's that's
Speaker 1: one of the people he's talking about.
Speaker 6: Oh well, well, Luka Doncik is so out of shape
Speaker 6: that JJ jj decided to play him the most minutes
Speaker 6: on the team. He averages the most points on the team,
Speaker 6: second in assists, No, first and assists and second and rebounds.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you're missing a point just because
Speaker 1: he played them, because Luke is one of your best
Speaker 1: players and you have to play him. And JJ Reddick
Speaker 1: clearly showed that he wasn't willing to use his bench
Speaker 1: because he lost complete faith in all of them. He's
Speaker 1: just saying, what you have to do because of how
Speaker 1: much you needed. He wasn't saying he wasn't saying that
Speaker 1: the man is out of shape, he's a bum. He's
Speaker 1: saying that you've got to be in championship.
Speaker 2: Shape to win a championship.
Speaker 1: Oh and that's that's actually factually correct.
Speaker 5: What would JJ Reddick know about that?
Speaker 1: Well, JJ Reddy didn't win a championship because he was
Speaker 1: never a star player the game. But he was always
Speaker 1: in shape and he was always considered one of the
Speaker 1: best shooters in basketball. And by the way, I'm not
Speaker 1: letting I'm not letting them off the hook, because listen,
Speaker 1: he should have found a way to use his bench.
Speaker 1: How you gonna go a whole second half gate.
Speaker 2: There and not use your bench once.
Speaker 1: That's egregious. You gotta use your bench.
Speaker 6: Or not use the center. You want to use the center,
Speaker 6: you can't stop.
Speaker 1: Nobody had one. He doesn't really have one. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jackson Hayes wasn't the answer. What are you gonna do, Josh,
Speaker 1: that's the tallest.
Speaker 5: You played, the tallest player you the coach?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of tall players that were scrubs.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of tall players that weren't active enough, that
Speaker 1: didn't handle.
Speaker 2: Their business the way that you would like them too.
Speaker 1: You can't go by that. Just because you tall don't
Speaker 1: mean you automatically get asserted into the lineup. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: you're trying to tell me there ain't nobody on Golden
Speaker 1: State that was taller than Draymond Green. But for the
Speaker 1: longest time, they put Draymond Green out there and ask
Speaker 1: him to embrace the challenges going on up against bigger dudes,
Speaker 1: simply because you didn't have guys that were confident, knew
Speaker 1: how of playing new the system.
Speaker 6: Does Rudy go Berr look like Hakeem Olajahon If you
Speaker 6: have somebody out there with some hype twelve.
Speaker 1: If they if they can't play, if they can't play, yes,
Speaker 1: because Rudy Gobert is like what three four time Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. But also, you know what a
Speaker 1: lot of putbacks and whatever you listen, the Lakers could
Speaker 1: have got.
Speaker 2: They could have consummated the Mark Williams deal with Charlotte.
Speaker 1: They didn't do that, Okay, talking about he failed some
Speaker 1: physical or whatever. They gotta go out and get it big.
Speaker 1: We know they were too small, so they didn't have
Speaker 1: the personnelity.
Speaker 6: The team, the teammates that they did have. Though you're
Speaker 6: not gonna play Jared Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1: I thought so. I mean, big Perk made that, and
Speaker 1: I think you gotta throw If you can throw out
Speaker 1: Dory and Finney Smith and you could throw out Ruy
Speaker 1: hot Chimore, you could throw Jered it out there. I
Speaker 1: think I think the problem is is that Minnesota plays
Speaker 1: defense so well you need it as much.
Speaker 2: A to firepower as you could possibly muster.
Speaker 1: Jared Vanderbilt doesn't have to be guarded, and that puts
Speaker 1: Minnesota at that puts the Lakers that have decided disadvantage
Speaker 1: when they're on offense.
Speaker 6: So I feel like the guy that was doing the
Speaker 6: most work on the team is taking the most heat.
Speaker 6: Even you just saying that Nico is not looking so
Speaker 6: bad to that you still gave away Luca Danci for
Speaker 6: for for for Anthony Davis. You're still getting bad.
Speaker 1: Well, that remains to be seen. Don't what what what
Speaker 1: if Dallas makes the finals next year?
Speaker 5: What if Dallas makes the finals? You got Dallas, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think hold it, you don't think they have a chance? No,
Speaker 1: And do you know that? Do you know? Do you
Speaker 1: think got a chance?
Speaker 5: Okay? See yeah, yes, do you.
Speaker 1: See did you realize that not only did Dallas bounce
Speaker 1: them out in the playoffs last year, but did you
Speaker 1: know that in the two meetings that Dallas had this
Speaker 1: year without Luca they beat Okay?
Speaker 6: See yeah, that's that's that's that's okay. See, maybe they
Speaker 6: match up well with them him, but I don't think
Speaker 6: they match up with well with with with enough teams
Speaker 6: in the West Dallas to make it to the finals
Speaker 6: to make it through everybody.
Speaker 1: All right, let me let me switch to the Knicks
Speaker 1: real quick. I know you were excited about them.
Speaker 2: I see you draft out and you better have paid
Speaker 2: for that ship yourself.
Speaker 1: You bet not a charge it to my car.
Speaker 2: I'm kick your ass. I'll telling you that right now.
Speaker 1: You bet not.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you this question. Were you surprised
Speaker 2: that Knicks won?
Speaker 1: Last name?
Speaker 5: Surprised?
Speaker 4: No? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Nah?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right? Do you believe do you are you
Speaker 1: ready for this? Do you believe that Jalen Brunson is
Speaker 1: the greatest nick ever?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: You wasn't here last year. I changed his name to MJ.
Speaker 6: I call him Michael Jalen Brunson. I even put his
Speaker 6: head on the little dunk emblem. And because the stats
Speaker 6: that that show that you know, he's he's He's right,
Speaker 6: he's right on that level of Michael Jordan. Like you know,
Speaker 6: he may just be missing the Scottie Pip and Phil
Speaker 6: Jackson or put together, but he might.
Speaker 1: You go with your ignorance, you always crossed in the
Speaker 1: damn line.
Speaker 2: You're always going a little bit too far.
Speaker 1: Most forty points series clinching wins on road in NBA history,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan had four. Okay, he has two. Congratulations with that,
Speaker 1: we understand that, do you. D Wade's up there, Charles
Speaker 1: Barkley's up there. Giannis is up there or whatever. Stop
Speaker 1: with the stop with the Jordan comparisions.
Speaker 5: No, no can I can? I can I do what
Speaker 5: you do?
Speaker 4: Go ahead?
Speaker 5: How long? How long has you? How long was Jordan
Speaker 5: in the league.
Speaker 2: Jordan was in the Leaf for fifteen years total, thirteen
Speaker 2: in Chicago.
Speaker 6: So Jalen Brunson is about half that and he's half
Speaker 6: his you know, forty point game situation.
Speaker 5: So he's on the trajectory.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about his size and his overall game.
Speaker 1: He can't he couldn't defend like Jordan. Jordan's a nine
Speaker 1: time All NBA defensive player, ten times scoring champions. So
Speaker 1: it's not just stop it. Don't don't don't display, let
Speaker 1: me not show you how ignorant you are today. But
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, what do you think the
Speaker 1: Nicks are gonna do against the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 6: Well, we gotta take you one game at the time,
Speaker 6: break by break, we're gonna we're gonna break even in Boston,
Speaker 6: and then we're gonna break even in New York. It's
Speaker 6: step by step, we gotta go seven games. You gotta
Speaker 6: make it nasty, and yeah, you gotta fight and you
Speaker 6: gotta stay out the.
Speaker 1: Garden, gad, So I have to stay out the garden.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, you only show when when we you know,
Speaker 6: when we at the brink of winning the series or
Speaker 6: something like that.
Speaker 5: You don't be there through the wars and stuff.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: First of all, I've gone there during the regular season.
Speaker 2: I was on TV.
Speaker 1: I did a countdown from the Garden for Crying Out Lot,
Speaker 1: and I flew from LA to do the show from
Speaker 1: the Garden. That's number one, And that was the game
Speaker 1: they got blown out. That game by Boston didn't even
Speaker 1: make it a competition. But I was there when they
Speaker 1: when they beat Philadelphia last year in the playoffs. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was there. I was there this season for a
Speaker 1: few games when they won as well. Don't don't put
Speaker 1: that on me, but I will say this. I think
Speaker 1: the Knicks are gonna lose the series in five.
Speaker 5: First time.
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful, but I think they're gonna lit.
Speaker 5: Fir. First of all, you're talking to me, so when
Speaker 5: you mentioned in them games that you went to.
Speaker 6: I know it is for work. You don't go there
Speaker 6: because you want to. People like me pay our hard
Speaker 6: earned money to go. You got a free earn.
Speaker 2: Money to say you just lied you just lied.
Speaker 1: First of all, you're hard earned money, harder money. Which
Speaker 1: one is it you either stealing from me you understead
Speaker 1: of saying because that's what you do. You take take
Speaker 1: my card and you talk. You you build tickets, and
Speaker 1: then you let me know that you built the tickets.
Speaker 1: You just said that last week. So which one is it?
Speaker 1: Is it your hard earned money or is it you
Speaker 1: saying I used your card.
Speaker 6: I'm speaking for the masses I spent. It's your money
Speaker 6: that gets me into the next game. But I'm talking
Speaker 6: about for the most part, the people in there spend their.
Speaker 5: Hard earned money.
Speaker 6: You get to come in for free, and you barely do.
Speaker 6: You only come when we win in we don't like it.
Speaker 6: Talk about the Lakers you want to be where as warm.
Speaker 6: You're not from there, You're from here. See me representing.
Speaker 2: That's worry I spent you just this first time you
Speaker 2: wore that. This is the first time you wore that.
Speaker 1: So I've got when I think about the Knicks, you
Speaker 1: don't know any better because you're a young whipper snapper.
Speaker 1: You're t too damn young siated. But Bernard King, I
Speaker 1: know you've heard that name before. Patrick ewen Walt Clyde Fraser,
Speaker 1: earl of promo role people like that. You know, Carmelo Anthony,
Speaker 1: I would tell you that, you know, you got to
Speaker 1: put Walt Clyde Fraser because that's a that's a that's
Speaker 1: a guy that delivered the championship. Obviously it was several
Speaker 1: decades before you even born. But bottom line is that's
Speaker 1: what happened. Uh, that's the champion. Carmelo Anthony wanted that smoke.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 2: He was damn good. But Jalen Brunson is next level.
Speaker 1: Ewing is there too, But Ewing was Obviously he continues
Speaker 1: to get smacked down by Jordan.
Speaker 2: No shame in that. But I think what I hold
Speaker 2: against you and is how he got out.
Speaker 1: Played against the King of Dream of log Wa in
Speaker 1: the finals when the New York Knicks had a chance
Speaker 1: and they weren't and Jordan wasn't in their way, then
Speaker 1: he let a keem get in his way.
Speaker 2: I can't you know, I gotta look at that.
Speaker 6: So so what he's saying that who's who's the best
Speaker 6: nick ever?
Speaker 5: But I did hear that conversation I.
Speaker 1: Got, I got I would go to I would go
Speaker 1: with Walt Clyde Fraser that's what I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: until that's right, that's what I'm going that's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with. A champion, A champion, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with. But let me ask you this man,
Speaker 1: uh before I let you get on out of here,
Speaker 1: what's this about? You had about some goat list or whatever?
Speaker 1: What's all your mind? What's that about?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Like I got like a goat list, Like it's a
Speaker 6: new one. Because we argue about Lebron and Jordan a lot,
Speaker 6: but it's people like ant Man that is like he's
Speaker 6: on the trajectory. He's been on Minnesota, He's the number
Speaker 6: one pick. Every year, he gets better every year he
Speaker 6: goes further, and it's like, at what point do we
Speaker 6: start to like put them people in the Jokic three.
Speaker 6: MVP's already got a chap, Jannis, your MVP's defensive place.
Speaker 5: Is we got to start a new uh flux you
Speaker 5: weighting lists?
Speaker 6: You like to call it fluid, I'm gonna call it
Speaker 6: flush you in my words, bigger than yours, And yeah,
Speaker 6: I think we should.
Speaker 1: A longer huh longer word, but go ahead.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's something that we can get into
Speaker 6: after every game. It could change up depending on what
Speaker 6: I feel like.
Speaker 5: Shaane's on it.
Speaker 4: In other words, you.
Speaker 1: Want to have a goat discussion, but you wanted to
Speaker 1: be something that changes after every damn game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that's what the goat. That's what the goat is.
Speaker 6: This whole Michael Jordan, this whole Michael Jordan stuff.
Speaker 5: Y'all. Don't let go. Y'all, don't let go. Nothing new
Speaker 5: could come in.
Speaker 1: Because we don't want to let go of facts. We
Speaker 1: want to let go facts, the fact. We don't want
Speaker 1: to let go of fat Josh, have you ever seen
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan play?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm you know in thirty six. Yes, I've seen
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan play I'm just not moved.
Speaker 5: I was moving at the time.
Speaker 1: Did you say, you said you're not moved?
Speaker 4: I was? I was.
Speaker 6: I was moving at the time. But now I know
Speaker 6: that y'all only show us the makes What about the missus.
Speaker 5: He didn't win six straight finals?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just he won three. He three pedd twice
Speaker 1: and a two years that he didn't win was because
Speaker 1: he retire.
Speaker 5: No, No, he lost to Orlando. I was there for that.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, excuse me. He lost in ninety he lost
Speaker 1: in ninety four, right, and then ninety five he came
Speaker 1: back with seventeen games left in the regular season after
Speaker 1: playing baseball. I was because he dropped the double nickel
Speaker 1: on the Knicks that year before the playoffs.
Speaker 2: You forgot about that, didn't you.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: Be quiet, Say goodbye to the audience, and that your
Speaker 1: uncle Steve just had to school you and your noviceself say.
Speaker 5: About the fifty five point game. It's not enough, Nickel Lebron.
Speaker 2: Goodbye, Josh, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: He has to go.
Speaker 2: I've got work to do coming up.
Speaker 1: Sinko de Mayo is a few days away, and that
Speaker 1: means we need to keep an eye on boxing. I've
Speaker 1: got five fights this weekend we need to pay attention to.
Speaker 1: I'll break them down straight ahead. But first, he was
Speaker 1: a former NBA player, but now he's a GOP candidate
Speaker 1: for the United States Senate from the state of Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the one and only Royce White. One
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Speaker 1: Senate from the state of Minnesota. Please welcome mister Royce
Speaker 1: White to the show to Stephen A. Smith Show. What's
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 1: How you doing? How's everything?
Speaker 4: I'm good man, Thanks for having me on. I really
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Man, Please, the pleasure is all mine. I'm always interested
Speaker 1: in hearing what somebody like yourself has to say. So,
Speaker 1: you ran in twenty twenty four in Minnesota against Emmy
Speaker 1: clover Shaw. You lost that election, but you got forty
Speaker 1: percent of the vote this time. Now you're campaigning to
Speaker 1: run for the Senate in twenty twenty six. First of all, why,
Speaker 1: and most importantly do you think you can win this time?
Speaker 4: Again?
Speaker 7: I want to say thank you for having me on.
Speaker 7: I appreciated a great deal. And I also appreciate you
Speaker 7: having the great Steve Benning on recently. That's what, you know,
Speaker 7: got me to reach out to you and try and
Speaker 7: talk to you as well. Bennon is obviously a friend
Speaker 7: of mine and an even better mentor. We call him
Speaker 7: the Happy Warrior because he takes his scrutiny and his
Speaker 7: prosecution in some cases, you know, which hunt lawfare that's
Speaker 7: going on with a smile on his face. Me, I'm
Speaker 7: more of the young bull kind of fire breathing nationalists,
Speaker 7: populous part of the Magma movement, the young Maga movement.
Speaker 7: So I appreciate you, even me giving me a platform.
Speaker 7: We know we've gone through a long time in this
Speaker 7: country where people like me couldn't speak. As far as
Speaker 7: the elections go, Look, I think there are a lot
Speaker 7: of problems still with our elections, especially in Minnesota. I
Speaker 7: think letting illegal immigrants vote in elections is something that's
Speaker 7: an issue here in the state of Minnesota, as well
Speaker 7: as many other places in the country. Obviously, Donald Trump
Speaker 7: is fighting back against that, and hopefully he can get
Speaker 7: some legislation with some teeth to help out on that
Speaker 7: front in twenty twenty six. Ultimately, we know the machines
Speaker 7: are an issue. And I don't say that as a conspiracy,
Speaker 7: although if you go to my Wikipedia just a month back,
Speaker 7: it said American conspiracy theorist in the first sentence, but
Speaker 7: actually Amy klobersh are both Amy clobershar and I think
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris at the time had a demonstration before a
Speaker 7: Senatorial committee back in twenty eighteen that demonstrated the machines
Speaker 7: have security issues. At that time, they were trying to
Speaker 7: say the Russians could hack our elections now or after.
Speaker 7: In twenty twenty, of course, the elections were completely safe.
Speaker 7: So what I'm doing it for, and what Bannon sort
Speaker 7: of commissioned me to do, is to be a younger
Speaker 7: voice that speaks to the growing wedge or divide in
Speaker 7: American politics and really politics all around the world, which
Speaker 7: is a more proto globalist establishment, meaning a thought process
Speaker 7: that believes in global citizenship in a world without borders
Speaker 7: for lack of you know, more or less, versus a
Speaker 7: more nationalist mindset that says there's value in nationhood, there's
Speaker 7: value in the nation state, there's value in national identity
Speaker 7: and national citizenship. And that's what I've been doing since
Speaker 7: twenty twenty two. I tried to run against Ilhana twenty
Speaker 7: twenty two. I lost the primary there. I came back
Speaker 7: in twenty four, won a statewide prime. Then it was
Speaker 7: only Congression District twenty twenty four was obviously state wide
Speaker 7: in the primary, And so we're moving the needle and
Speaker 7: to be quite honest. The number one thing I want
Speaker 7: to say to you, steven A, before we even get going,
Speaker 7: is what really drew me in to run as a
Speaker 7: Republican is how dishonest the narrative was about the Republican Party.
Speaker 7: If you remember Donald Trump coming down the escalator in
Speaker 7: twenty fifteen sixteen, his number one enemy was not the
Speaker 7: Democrat Party, who he had fundraised for and had many friends,
Speaker 7: And the number one enemy was the proto globalist Republican
Speaker 7: establishment led by George Bush and the rest of his
Speaker 7: counterparts in that echelon Republican Party. And we're fighting the
Speaker 7: same thing here in Minnesota still to this day. That
Speaker 7: Republican establishment has a stronghold on the party, and I
Speaker 7: represent the more grassroots movement that's fighting back.
Speaker 1: Well, when you say you represent the more grassroots movement,
Speaker 1: is that your way of saying you've been disappointed in
Speaker 1: what conventional Republicans were doing up until the moment you
Speaker 1: decided to run in twenty twenty two and then twenty
Speaker 1: four or are you just simply saying these times call
Speaker 1: for a different kind of Republican and that's what you
Speaker 1: want to represent.
Speaker 4: I'd say both to take a step back.
Speaker 7: A lot of people who are watching the show will
Speaker 7: probably know my name from being drafted, like you said,
Speaker 7: and my problems or my fight with the NBA, and
Speaker 7: we don't have time to go into all those misconceptions,
Speaker 7: though they are many, but I think they're much more
Speaker 7: interesting and important things for us to talk about.
Speaker 4: Especially along policy.
Speaker 7: But it is important because my story back in twenty
Speaker 7: twelve was a microcop of what we faced today, and
Speaker 7: that was a proto globalist establishment media, who, at the
Speaker 7: drop of a dime, was willing to protect the NBA,
Speaker 7: even though they knew that I had a categorical winning
Speaker 7: position in that fight for mental health policy. As you
Speaker 7: very well know, when I came in the league, there
Speaker 7: was no mental health policy.
Speaker 4: Now there is one.
Speaker 7: In fact, the one they put in place in twenty
Speaker 7: sixteen is one that I helped them develop.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I actually added language to them.
Speaker 7: So I had a huge political victory, but it cost
Speaker 7: me a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And you were willing to go out front and fantas
Speaker 1: to you. You were willing to go out front center
Speaker 1: and bring attention to something that a lot of people
Speaker 1: the NBA. I'm not going to accuse them of purposely
Speaker 1: ignoring it as if they knew how detrimental it was
Speaker 1: and then chose to ignore it. I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: at that particular moment in time took mental health as
Speaker 1: seriously as you were imploring all of us to do.
Speaker 1: So that's definitely we saw Chris bosh Lady, we saw
Speaker 1: Kevin Love later, we saw Littany DeMar deroz and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So you definitely deserve a lot of credit
Speaker 1: for that. I'm not here to take that from you,
Speaker 1: that's for sure.
Speaker 7: Well, and my point is, well, I had some more
Speaker 7: behind the scenes conversations with the NBA higher ups, so
Speaker 7: I have a different experience with how much they knew
Speaker 7: and how much they didn't know fortune And I don't
Speaker 7: want to go into the details there, but for example,
Speaker 7: what I was fighting for back then was something simple like, Okay,
Speaker 7: if we have a banned substance, listen to collective bargaining agreement,
Speaker 7: and on the banned substance list you have xanax. It
Speaker 7: would behoove the general managers, coaches, players, agents, refs, and
Speaker 7: whoever else team trainers to understand or at least have
Speaker 7: some sort of, you know, baseline knowledge of why is
Speaker 7: xenix so widely prescribed. Why is it so easy for
Speaker 7: people to get it on the street, Why is xenix
Speaker 7: so addictive? Which ties into mental health and mental health conditions.
Speaker 7: The NBA wanted no part of that conversation because it
Speaker 7: was going to change the power dynamic politically within the league.
Speaker 7: And so what the story became is, well, Royce White
Speaker 7: just want He's a prima donnie. He wants special treatment.
Speaker 7: He wants to be able to bust from Minneapolis to
Speaker 7: Chicago go. And it's funny now I see all these
Speaker 7: players sitting out a season and a half with injuries
Speaker 7: or load management, and I'm thinking of myself. I would
Speaker 7: have never missed one game, busting to a game because
Speaker 7: that's just not my mentality. I'm tough as nails. I'm
Speaker 7: built kind of Midwest tough.
Speaker 1: That's that's what we knew you to be.
Speaker 7: And I played like that, right, So I got that
Speaker 7: grit to me. So I would have never missed a game.
Speaker 7: But so that was how the narrative was manipulated. And
Speaker 7: I only bring that up to say this was four
Speaker 7: years before Donald Trump ever came down the escalator, and
Speaker 7: stories like mine laid the groundwork for what would be
Speaker 7: an easy movement for a lot of young men like
Speaker 7: myself into what Donald Trump created. Right, So people go, well,
Speaker 7: why are you, how can you be maga? How are
Speaker 7: you Republican? I faced the fake news media firsthand and
Speaker 7: it probably cost me more than one hundred million dollars
Speaker 7: well before Donald Trump ever added his name to the
Speaker 7: political arena.
Speaker 1: So I look, i'd listen to you, and let me
Speaker 1: be very very I'm not a Republican. I'm not a
Speaker 1: maga Republican, but I don't I don't pride myself on
Speaker 1: being the liberal either. And when I saw you in
Speaker 1: the past being critical of some of the things that
Speaker 1: I said, I wasn't offended by it. It made me listen.
Speaker 1: I said, let me, let me, let me think about
Speaker 1: what he said, because I know the inclination on the
Speaker 1: left is for somebody to be so put off then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I don't want you around, I
Speaker 1: want you cancer, and I don't want to listen to
Speaker 1: what you have to say hello all of that. I
Speaker 1: think that's one of the problems that exists in this
Speaker 1: country in my in my opinion, Royce on both sides,
Speaker 1: meaning that I think two extremes where it doesn't encourage
Speaker 1: anybody to listen to one another and hopefully compromise. So
Speaker 1: when you brought up the fact that when you were
Speaker 1: a player, you felt like you couldn't be yourself, like
Speaker 1: you couldn't be open, rather about where you stood politically,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, I want you to elaborate from
Speaker 1: a political perspective on what it was like for you
Speaker 1: as a black man being somebody that leans towards the GOP,
Speaker 1: even before MAGA, what that has been like for you
Speaker 1: as a black man in America.
Speaker 7: Again, you know Donald Trump. The advent of Donald Trump
Speaker 7: and the MAGA movement is the split or the schism
Speaker 7: in modern day American politics, global politics, that is two
Speaker 7: things on the left or the Democrats and the Liberals.
Speaker 7: And I come from a culturally Democrat black community in
Speaker 7: Saint Paul, Minnesota, you know, working class, blue collar, so
Speaker 7: I'm very familiar with why black people continue to vote
Speaker 7: Democrat with the thought process. But the thinking is something like,
Speaker 7: is the left is the left? Let's say even the
Speaker 7: far left, which some people call it extreme radical, but
Speaker 7: let's say the AOC Bernie Sanders wing of the party
Speaker 7: Are they a genuine anti establishment economic populist movement or
Speaker 7: are they a radical sexual identity politics movement? And so
Speaker 7: where even before Donald Trump, where I was critical of
Speaker 7: the NBA and saying, hey, this this institution is the
Speaker 7: watering hole for global corporate community and their morals and
Speaker 7: ethics and standards and their business practice has had implications
Speaker 7: downstream from the institution. There were a lot of people
Speaker 7: who were traditionally liberal or Democrat that were all in support.
Speaker 7: They were fans, They were saying, hey, yeah, we support
Speaker 7: this guy. He's saying the right things, he's asking good questions.
Speaker 7: But the establishment that controls the media was not going
Speaker 7: to let that be the prominent or dominant story. So,
Speaker 7: and I bring that up because again, if you fast forward,
Speaker 7: what Donald Trump and the MAGA movement really represents is
Speaker 7: a rejection of the institutions and the establishments that have
Speaker 7: had control of this country for the last seventy years
Speaker 7: since World War Two.
Speaker 4: I love when Eric Weinstein.
Speaker 7: Eric Weinstein is the brother of Brett Weinstein, and he's
Speaker 7: not a far right wing Republican by any means. He's
Speaker 7: like nominally a Democrat. He's I think he was the
Speaker 7: co managing director of til Capital, and he's a brilliant mathematician,
Speaker 7: and he said it best. He goes, you know, the
Speaker 7: democracy that they mentioned for the people, by the people
Speaker 7: and of the people is not the democracy they mean
Speaker 7: when they talk about it today. What they're talking about
Speaker 7: when they say democracy is being threatened are the democratic
Speaker 7: institutions that were erected after World War Two and serve
Speaker 7: as the load bearing walls for this globalist's vision of
Speaker 7: the world. And I was already pushing back on that
Speaker 7: in twenty twelve without even realizing it, without being able
Speaker 7: to give a name to it. And I didn't understand,
Speaker 7: as being on the side with liberals and democrats, why
Speaker 7: I was facing such a you know, a difference of
Speaker 7: reaction to fighting with the NBA. Later on, I would
Speaker 7: really as soon as Donald Trump came down the escalator.
Speaker 7: And then later in twenty twenty, when George Floyd died
Speaker 7: and I was on the ground, I was in the streets,
Speaker 7: I knew exactly what had happened. It clicked for me,
Speaker 7: and after that it wasn't even a question of whether
Speaker 7: with the Republican Party or not.
Speaker 1: Allow me to interject by saying this, I want to
Speaker 1: be very respectful when I ask this question, because I'm
Speaker 1: not pointing to you specifically, but I'm pointing to the
Speaker 1: MAGA movement per se, and one of the issues that
Speaker 1: I have with it this seems to be this fealty,
Speaker 1: this undying, unwavering loyalty to Donald Trump. And my attitude
Speaker 1: is is that not? And I'm not saying again you
Speaker 1: feel that way? You can answer that question yourself. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't disrespect you like that, bro, But what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is is that it comes across when you listen to
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about MAGA in that regard.
Speaker 1: Is that a safe kind of mentality to have? Because
Speaker 1: my attitude is, okay, let's say physical you feel that
Speaker 1: way to Donald Trump, Let's say it's completely justified. Let's
Speaker 1: not even debate that. Right, he's still supposed to be
Speaker 1: going to twenty twenty eight. Where does that leave this
Speaker 1: country if everybody is feeling that way about him? As
Speaker 1: opposed to policy? I would like us to focus more
Speaker 1: on policy than people I'm talking about as a nation,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we do enough of that to that.
Speaker 7: You say what and I say, one thousand percent agree?
Speaker 7: If you listen to my podcast please call me crazy.
Speaker 7: Myself and the other co hosts who I have as
Speaker 7: a part of the crew. We always talk about policy
Speaker 7: and politics in America being more policy driven and idea
Speaker 7: driven than they are personality in person driven. However, Donald
Speaker 7: Trump just and look, if Donald Trump does something I
Speaker 7: don't agree with, I'm the first one to criticize him.
Speaker 7: There is no undying loyalty to Donald Trump the person.
Speaker 7: What I do have a loyalty too, is his courage
Speaker 7: to step up and say things that are inconvenient because
Speaker 7: it resonates with me because I did it. That's what
Speaker 7: you do, Yes, that's what you though. I just have
Speaker 7: to respect that on GP on general principle. But if
Speaker 7: he waivers, and if he starts to not be America
Speaker 7: first or what I think is maga and actually, you know,
Speaker 7: representing the nationalist populist movement that needs to happen in
Speaker 7: this country, I'll criticize him. And in fairness to him,
Speaker 7: I don't think he's gonna do everything right because who can.
Speaker 7: I certainly can. If I was president, I would want
Speaker 7: people to say, hey, is he doing a good job overall?
Speaker 4: Because he can't do everything right. That's impossible.
Speaker 7: But but I will say going forward, one of the
Speaker 7: main reasons I'm doing this and doing what doing one
Speaker 7: in office run of being involved in the political conversation,
Speaker 7: and the reason I appreciate you having me on is
Speaker 7: I do believe that even in the MAGA movement, even
Speaker 7: in the Republican Party or conservative movement, there needs to
Speaker 7: be a deeper dive into the intellectual foundation framework of
Speaker 7: the ideas that we're calling our platform, because there's a
Speaker 7: lot of contradictions in there, and where those contradictions lie
Speaker 7: is where I still have to fight with the Republican
Speaker 7: Party inside. It's where Donald Trump has to often fight
Speaker 7: with the Republican Party inside. So yes, I agree with
Speaker 7: you one thousand percent. It needs to be more about
Speaker 7: ideas and less about the person. But Donald Trump did.
Speaker 7: He did stand up when we needed him to, and
Speaker 7: he was touched by God. In my opinion, him not
Speaker 7: being assassinated that day three bullets going by his face
Speaker 7: can't be anything other than an act of God. If
Speaker 7: you deny that, then I don't want to stand next
Speaker 7: to you because the bolt the lighting may become I'm
Speaker 7: being facetious, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: How do you feel Donald Trump has done in this
Speaker 1: first one hundred days in office.
Speaker 7: I think he's brought a w reckon ball to what
Speaker 7: I was just mentioning, and what it's called is the
Speaker 7: post World War two.
Speaker 4: Democrat liberal order.
Speaker 7: And when I realized what it was and what it
Speaker 7: intended to do, it became clear to me why the
Speaker 7: Democrat Party or the liberal establishment has had such a
Speaker 7: stronghold on the media and the narrative and politics in
Speaker 7: this country. And by that I also mean George Bush
Speaker 7: and the mainstream establishment Republicans.
Speaker 4: He is trying to reorient the entire global.
Speaker 7: The entire global landscape, to have America stand up for
Speaker 7: what you would call national identity, and not just identity,
Speaker 7: because identity is a fickle thing, but more so citizenship.
Speaker 7: You know, it was not a benign phenomenon or or
Speaker 7: you know, creation to come up with borders. Many people
Speaker 7: think of borders as you know, powerful people dividing land
Speaker 7: on the map to be able to conquer and you know,
Speaker 7: pillage whatever natural resources or wealth that they can, and
Speaker 7: in many cases in history that is the case. But
Speaker 7: borders also have a much deeper spiritual meaning that we
Speaker 7: have to acknowledge. And that is a man without boundaries.
Speaker 7: A man without limits is a man who believes that
Speaker 7: he's God.
Speaker 1: And yeah, okay, I don't disagree, but let me let
Speaker 1: me push back on you with this. Okay, you'll get
Speaker 1: no argument from me about the job he's done at
Speaker 1: the border. There was no excuse for us to have
Speaker 1: open borders in this nation.
Speaker 4: Plit? Wait, wait, which part don't you agree? Let me
Speaker 4: I want to try.
Speaker 1: I want to No, no, no, no, I'm not saying a part
Speaker 1: that you said that I disagree with. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: pushing back in terms of some of the some of
Speaker 1: the things that I wanted to bring.
Speaker 4: Up about hesitating about him, not you.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with him on immigration. I think
Speaker 1: he's done an outstanding job on immigration. I think it
Speaker 1: was necessary. Do I think it's a bit extreme sometimes
Speaker 1: when you're taking somebody, if it's a student protesting, then
Speaker 1: you're deporting him and what have you. In the courts
Speaker 1: are telling you, no, don't do it. I got a
Speaker 1: problem with that because I'm care. I'm concerned that you
Speaker 1: can ignore the courts and you can act of your
Speaker 1: own accord, because that's not what this nation of laws
Speaker 1: is built on.
Speaker 2: In my estimation.
Speaker 1: However, I'm looking at the economy. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's saying it's doing better. That's not what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the tariffs. I have no problem with
Speaker 1: him going after China, but you're going after allies too,
Speaker 1: at least initially, and you had the allies, you know,
Speaker 1: cole mingling and talking with China because they were thinking
Speaker 1: they were gonna be allies with China. Now because they
Speaker 1: would turn it against you, I'm worried about that. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about DEI and I'm like, I don't like a
Speaker 1: Royce Ooh you with me on this one. Diversity, equity
Speaker 1: and inclusion. Here's the argument that I have made. Didn't
Speaker 1: earn it, That's what DEI stands for for me. Didn't
Speaker 1: earn it, right, And I'm like, why does DEI automatically
Speaker 1: have to be associated with merit? Who's to say some
Speaker 1: of those people didn't have the merit warranting them to
Speaker 1: get hired. As a black man in America, I'm quite
Speaker 1: sure you've seen, as I have seen, plenty of qualified
Speaker 1: black folks that weren't getting.
Speaker 2: Opportunities because of the white establishment.
Speaker 1: But they seem to be ignoring that right now to
Speaker 1: all of that floors yours.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, well let me take it piece by piece. Well,
Speaker 7: start from the end and work my way back.
Speaker 1: No problem.
Speaker 7: Number one, you will never hear me pander to this
Speaker 7: right wing narrative that racism in this country doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: That's ridiculous, it's absurd.
Speaker 7: It's something that is cheap kind of WWE politics. It's
Speaker 7: what they serve you on Fox News and seeing. And
Speaker 7: that's the that's the conventional and proverbial battle of political
Speaker 7: clash in America. Is it racist or is it not?
Speaker 7: There's racism in America, There's no doubt about it. There's
Speaker 7: been racism in the past. The question is what is
Speaker 7: the answer, what's the solution? And I do believe that
Speaker 7: there are people who may have benevited from DEI programs
Speaker 7: or let's say, affirmative action to take it back to
Speaker 7: something that has real teeth, who did have the merit
Speaker 7: and got in with those programs. The question becomes, and
Speaker 7: this is what really opened my eyes when George Floyd died.
Speaker 7: I was as appalled and shocked as anybody. And now
Speaker 7: I do think that Derek Chalvin's prosecution was political. Okay,
Speaker 7: they prosecuted him because they wanted the riots to stop
Speaker 7: in the streets. They didn't want to have to have
Speaker 7: any more conversations or riots or right, so that the
Speaker 7: prosecution was political. But I'm always i am not quote
Speaker 7: unquote loyal to a thin blue line in police backing
Speaker 7: at any and all or any in all circumstance.
Speaker 4: Not my deal.
Speaker 7: My deal is something more biblical, like when Paul said
Speaker 7: to the centurion guard, I'm a Roman citizen. Do you
Speaker 7: have the right to bind? And be a Roman citizen
Speaker 7: who has not yet seen court? And I think Donald
Speaker 7: Trump in the MAGA movement is now more privy to
Speaker 7: the dangers of a police state, in a security state,
Speaker 7: and letting the courts have more power, or let's say,
Speaker 7: the justice system, for lack of a better be more
Speaker 7: all encompassing, the justice system to have more power than
Speaker 7: they're supposed to. And so we're still working out that. Gordian. Now,
Speaker 7: now to back up to what you said about the
Speaker 7: border and the immigrants, here's the thing. The courts have
Speaker 7: long been politicized. They've long been politically weaponized. And we
Speaker 7: got into that when we started letting presidents who are
Speaker 7: party loyal appoint judges, And it happened on both sides,
Speaker 7: and there started to be this game of who has
Speaker 7: the political power in.
Speaker 4: The judiciary with judge appointments.
Speaker 7: I'll say this, when a country is in the place
Speaker 7: that our country was at, it is very difficult for
Speaker 7: me to continue to believe in the rule of law,
Speaker 7: even though my Republican counterparts have such a dying loyalty
Speaker 7: to the concept.
Speaker 4: They all say, rule of law, rule of law. Democracy.
Speaker 7: Listen, your rule of law is only as good as
Speaker 7: the lawmakers who uphold it. Akers. If your lawmakers aren't righteous,
Speaker 7: then there is no rule of law. And what we
Speaker 7: saw the Democrat establishment that also include some very rhino
Speaker 7: we call them or rats, I call them Republicans against Trump,
Speaker 7: Republicans that have more loyalty to the liberal order than
Speaker 7: they do to the Republican ideas or the Republican party.
Speaker 7: We have seen some very dangerous things happen in this
Speaker 7: country in the legal system.
Speaker 4: The banished prosecution was one of them.
Speaker 7: Obviously we don't have to go into detail, but Merrick
Speaker 7: Garland and Eric Holder and all these guys also denied
Speaker 7: being subpreene. They didn't speaking before the Congress, and they
Speaker 7: didn't serve a day in jail.
Speaker 4: They give Steve Bannon four months.
Speaker 7: Why because he's powerful, because he speaks the truth, and
Speaker 7: because he represents a change of the brand of the
Speaker 7: Republican Party that neither the Republican Party or Democrat Party
Speaker 7: want to see. So I have to support Donald Trump
Speaker 7: in some sort and in some instance and playing hardball
Speaker 7: and smash mouth with the courts and saying, wait a minute,
Speaker 7: we're not going to play this game and pretend like
Speaker 7: the courts are level and guess what. As a black man,
Speaker 7: and for many young black men who are leaning towards
Speaker 7: the Republican Party and Donald Trump, we know the courts
Speaker 7: to be unjust.
Speaker 4: We just didn't understand the depths of it.
Speaker 7: We didn't realize it could happen to the white Republicans
Speaker 7: who we have as boogeymen in our heads. And that's
Speaker 7: why when Donald Trump was arraigned and they booked him,
Speaker 7: it was a brilliant move by him. As soon as
Speaker 7: they booked him, there were blacks and Hispanics and Asians
Speaker 7: and all kinds of minorities across this country that said, damn, damn,
Speaker 7: that corrupt system. When George Floyd died, they chanted the
Speaker 7: whole system is guilty.
Speaker 4: Damn, that system is really guilty.
Speaker 7: And guess what now some white folks are starting to
Speaker 7: feel it too, And praise be to God for that,
Speaker 7: because now we're starting to cross the rubicon where we
Speaker 7: see the real danger and threat to freedom.
Speaker 1: Getting back to George Floyd, and I know you keep
Speaker 1: bringing up Steve Banning and how and how he was
Speaker 1: wrong and how you know how you feel about him,
Speaker 1: I have to confess to you, I'm not comfortable with
Speaker 1: a lot of things that Steve Benning said. But that brother,
Speaker 1: that man is smart as hell. He knows what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. And you better bring the rain information wise,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna deal with him, because I say this,
Speaker 1: he means what he says, all right, and he has
Speaker 1: information to back it up. So he I had to
Speaker 1: go back and watch a show like two or three
Speaker 1: times and listen to everyone. I'm like, damn trying. I
Speaker 1: gotta watch this guy right here because he's not a
Speaker 1: joke and he's not playing around. But I'll get back
Speaker 1: to you, Royce. With George Floyd because when he was
Speaker 1: killed by police officer Derek Chauvin. You led what you
Speaker 1: called a peaceful protest, but said the mainstream media misrepresented
Speaker 1: those efforts. How did they do that?
Speaker 7: I mean, this is a very important node in my
Speaker 7: own journey, both as a young man in general, but
Speaker 7: certainly politically. You gotta remember I fought against the NBA,
Speaker 7: I got black ball. Later on, I would go to
Speaker 7: live in Canada for two years and play in Canada.
Speaker 7: This was twenty fifteen, sixteen and seventeen. I was living
Speaker 7: in London, Ontario, and it was around the time that
Speaker 7: Jordan Peterson encountered his troubles with the government there around
Speaker 7: Bill C sixteen, which was an argument about gender identity
Speaker 7: in legislation essentially, And I remember watching Look. I grew
Speaker 7: up in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It's one of the more day
Speaker 7: communities in the country. My mom was an esthetician my
Speaker 7: whole life. She worked to pay bills, our rent with
Speaker 7: her tips. Okay, So I grew up in the hair
Speaker 7: salon and in the spa world and in the beauty business.
Speaker 7: And I knew and grew up knowing gay men. And
Speaker 7: it was very different back in the nineties than it
Speaker 7: is today. I'll say that I wasn't unfamiliar with the
Speaker 7: gay community. Also, playing basketball, you meet a lot of
Speaker 7: female basketball players who are lesbian, and that's fine, that's
Speaker 7: their choice. All good point I'm making is I wasn't
Speaker 7: familiar with this transgender pronoun thing. And I was in Canada,
Speaker 7: and I remember watching the news like, man, this guy
Speaker 7: Jordan Peterson sounds logical, saying reasonable, actually really smart, to
Speaker 7: be honest, and I don't understand why they're attacking them.
Speaker 7: But I was playing basketball and we won two national
Speaker 7: championships in Canada back to back. So you know how
Speaker 7: you watch things, you know kind of but it's in passive, Okay.
Speaker 7: I come back to the States in twenty eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 7: I joined the Big Three, and I'm talking about all
Speaker 7: these political issues in the Big Three, Edward Snowden and
Speaker 7: Julian Assange and the Federal Reserve and so on and
Speaker 7: so forth. And the Wigers, okay, the Wigers in China,
Speaker 7: their persecution, and so when twenty twenty hit and George
Speaker 7: Floyd died, I was like, I know what's gonna happen here.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be one of the biggest I could
Speaker 4: just feel it.
Speaker 7: This is gonna be one of the biggest things in
Speaker 7: American history, and it's right here in my backyard where
Speaker 7: I grew up. I mean thirty six, thirty eighth in Chicago,
Speaker 7: on the south side of Minneapolis. I used to run
Speaker 7: the streets and play at the parks, and you know,
Speaker 7: my whole life.
Speaker 4: So it's home home.
Speaker 7: So I went to the front line because there were
Speaker 7: all of these people organizing these protests who I didn't
Speaker 7: know from being from the city. I didn't know them
Speaker 7: from any wakes. I didn't know them from any weddings.
Speaker 7: I didn't know them from any barbecues. I didn't know
Speaker 7: them from any of the grade schools or the after
Speaker 7: school programs or the basketball team. I didn't know them,
Speaker 7: and so it was odd to me. And then when
Speaker 7: I researched it, I realized a lot of these community
Speaker 7: activists were imports from colleges, you know, in California or
Speaker 7: somewhere else that were given a position by politicians who
Speaker 7: had been elected. Okay, so I'm out on the streets
Speaker 7: and I'm saying, listen, we're gonna go to the front
Speaker 7: door of.
Speaker 4: The Federal Reserve.
Speaker 7: You all believed that the problem in this country is policing.
Speaker 7: The problem is not policing. The problem is how the
Speaker 7: money works. And if we want to talk about follow
Speaker 7: the money or the whole system being guilty, I can
Speaker 7: show you.
Speaker 4: Just how guilty it is.
Speaker 7: The Federal Reserve is the epitome of corruption in America,
Speaker 7: and it has a downstream effect on every working class citizen,
Speaker 7: including Black's, Latinos and everybody else up and down in between.
Speaker 7: So when I did that, naturally people were excited to
Speaker 7: see me leading. They're like, oh shit, Royce White's out here,
Speaker 7: and look at there's ten thousand people with him.
Speaker 4: How did he do that?
Speaker 7: And they even wrote stories about me in Washington Posts
Speaker 7: and whatnot, and they were like, hey, there's a rising
Speaker 7: young activist. When I was out there, I heard something
Speaker 7: that just blew my mind. Black trans Lives Matter. I
Speaker 7: didn't even know what trans meant at the time, to
Speaker 7: be honest, even they I had no clue, and I
Speaker 7: didn't push back on it right away because I didn't
Speaker 7: know what it meant to push back. But when they
Speaker 7: explained to me that I needed to organize these demonstrations
Speaker 7: and who spoke at these demonstrations based on people's sexual
Speaker 7: identity and sexual preference, boom me and the local community
Speaker 7: activists in Minnesota were at odds, and I didn't back
Speaker 7: down because you know, there's no back down in me, right,
Speaker 7: And I said, that's the story. So when George Floyd died,
Speaker 7: I led these protests, and the local activists who had
Speaker 7: already been here as an extension of BLM, they didn't
Speaker 7: want to, you know, have anything to do with me
Speaker 7: because I wasn't pro LGBTQ pronoun. And so there was
Speaker 7: another instance where the bubbling up of the black men
Speaker 7: in this country who have come to reject the lunacy
Speaker 7: on the far left happened right there at twenty twenty
Speaker 7: in the streets of Minneapolis, and the mainstream media never
Speaker 7: covered it that way. They don't want you to know
Speaker 7: that a young black man who didn't graduate college, came
Speaker 7: from a single mother household in a blue collar community
Speaker 7: can tell you how global finance works.
Speaker 1: As a member of the media for decades, I can't
Speaker 1: even disagree with you. There is no doubt that there
Speaker 1: was stuff that folks did not want to discuss. I
Speaker 1: was covering sports, so it was different for me. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there was no doubt that you're absolutely
Speaker 1: right that there was so much stuff being comfortable, and
Speaker 1: I got to get a little bit uncomfortable with you
Speaker 1: for a second here. During the twenty twenty four campaign,
Speaker 1: you raised controversy with what they labeled as anti Semitic remarks.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you said. I didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about that, civil judgments for unpaid child supporting, a finance
Speaker 1: report that showed more than one million of donor money
Speaker 1: went to credit card fees, which was nearly seventy percent
Speaker 1: of your one point forty three million in operating expenses.
Speaker 1: First of all, is that stuff true? If it's false,
Speaker 1: say so. And number two, to Minnesotans out there who
Speaker 1: would use that information obviously emanating from the left about
Speaker 1: you to decide how they're going to vote, why should
Speaker 1: they vote for you at this moment in time?
Speaker 7: Well, number one, I hope I get a little bit
Speaker 7: of time to explain the three of those early, because
Speaker 7: they're very important. Please, But I will, I will say
Speaker 7: that it's not the left, it's not emanating from the left.
Speaker 7: Those stories, those lives of rumors are emanating from the establishment.
Speaker 4: GOP.
Speaker 7: Who's more afraid of a young black man talking about
Speaker 7: the Federal Reserve than they are in AOC or il
Speaker 7: han Omar. In fact, a lot of the establishment GOP
Speaker 7: loves ilhan Omar because they raise a lot of money
Speaker 7: off of her. They're more afraid of me being in
Speaker 7: office than they are keeping ilhan Omar in and they're
Speaker 7: afraid of me saying that they're afraid of me being
Speaker 7: on your show and saying it to your audience, because
Speaker 7: this is this is the real politic of America.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, let me go back. Number one.
Speaker 7: You asked me about the the the.
Speaker 4: Credit card processing.
Speaker 7: That's from this campaign, not to twenty twenty four, King,
Speaker 7: and that's from twenty twenty six. And how that works
Speaker 7: in short, is the establishment Republicans like Tom Emmer or
Speaker 7: Mitch McConnell or used to be Kevin McCarthy now probably
Speaker 7: Mike Johnson and many of the others who have a
Speaker 7: lot of power there in DC. When you go to
Speaker 7: run and you run under a certain political party affiliation,
Speaker 7: they have access to the Republican party donor data, and
Speaker 7: they are usually unwilling to give that data, give open
Speaker 7: access to that data to candidates who they think are
Speaker 7: a threat to their established power base. That would be me,
Speaker 7: Me and Tom Emmer. We don't get along. We're adversaries.
Speaker 7: We're both Republicans, but we don't like each other. And
Speaker 7: I don't make any qualms about it. I think he's
Speaker 7: a globalist, just like Hakim Jeffries. And that's why if
Speaker 7: you go to APAX landing page, I'll get to your
Speaker 7: anti Semitic question in a moment.
Speaker 4: If you go to APAX landing page.
Speaker 7: You'll find there are six politicians represented on that landing page.
Speaker 7: Mike Johnson, Scalise, Tom Emmer, Hakm Jeffries, Katherine Clark, and Aguilar.
Speaker 7: There's no better example of what we call the uniparty
Speaker 7: than those six politicians. One of them happens to be here.
Speaker 7: So they don't give you access to those lists. So
Speaker 7: we as candidate to are kind of role, kind of
Speaker 7: you know, out there in the wilderness on our own,
Speaker 7: have to do third party deals with bundlers. And these
Speaker 7: bundlers charge a high commission. Now they charge a high
Speaker 7: commission on the first donation. So let's say Stephen A.
Speaker 7: Smith supports Royce White. You get an email from these bundlers,
Speaker 7: you send me one hundred dollars. They'll take eighty five
Speaker 7: the first time now your name is on my list.
Speaker 7: When I send you the next email, I get one
Speaker 7: hundred percent or ninety five percent of the of the donation. Okay,
Speaker 7: So the credit card processing fees are because on first pass,
Speaker 7: I was able to raise that much money with the
Speaker 7: people we came into contact with, but they took a
Speaker 7: big piece of it.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 7: Now to go back to your question about anti Semitism,
Speaker 7: because I think it might be the most important one.
Speaker 7: When I announced my campaign in twenty twenty two, I
Speaker 7: did it in front of the Federal Reserve. I was
Speaker 7: trying to run against Ilhan Omar for CD five Congressional
Speaker 7: District five, basically Greater Minneapolis, and that's actually where the
Speaker 7: FED is located, downtown Minneapolis on Hinnepen. So when I
Speaker 7: announced my campaign, my run for Congress, I did it
Speaker 7: in from the FED. And the Star Tribune, which is
Speaker 7: the local newspaper record here in Minneapolis, asked me about globalism,
Speaker 7: and you can go look this up for anybody who
Speaker 7: wants to fact check me.
Speaker 4: The articles still up.
Speaker 7: They asked me what I meant by globalism, and I said,
Speaker 7: it's an economic attack on the nation state and its citizens,
Speaker 7: mostly the working class. They wrote that globalism to even
Speaker 7: say globalism is a dog whistle for anti Semitism.
Speaker 4: And that just blew my I mean it just it
Speaker 4: blew my mind.
Speaker 7: And it's something that's carried on alongside of me because
Speaker 7: the Republican Party has this strange obsession with Israel in
Speaker 7: which they are unable to see the very obvious contradiction
Speaker 7: in how they talk about all other issues except this one.
Speaker 4: And I just won't do that with him. Now.
Speaker 7: Do I recognize the biblical significant of Israel?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Do I have Jewish friends. Yes.
Speaker 7: One of my business partners and my co hosts on
Speaker 7: Police Call Me Crazy sometimes is David Penn. Professor Penny
Speaker 7: has a great podcast too. He's a Ukrainian Jew. He's
Speaker 7: like family to me. So I have a bunch of
Speaker 7: people in my life who are Jewish who are like
Speaker 7: family to me. Really, so I'm not anti Semitic at all.
Speaker 7: But it is an example of how they and I
Speaker 7: don't mean they as in the liberal left media. They'll
Speaker 7: piggyback off of it. But that was more intended to
Speaker 7: disenfranchise me to the Republican evangelical voter out there who
Speaker 7: hears anything anti Semitic and they automatically turn the channel.
Speaker 1: So essentially because I got to get ready to get
Speaker 1: on out of here. But that's the bad news. The
Speaker 1: good news is that, my brother, this will not be
Speaker 1: the last time you will be on this show. I
Speaker 1: don't play that mess. I'm fair minded. What I don't understand,
Speaker 1: don't I don't understand. I'm open about it, I admit it,
Speaker 1: and I'm open to learning from both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 1: That's me. And by the way, ain't nobody gonna silence
Speaker 1: your voice on this show. Everything you said is gonna go,
Speaker 1: is gonna be over the airways, trust me on that.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Let me end this by asking you this question though
Speaker 1: you just talked about the GOP establishment essentially and to
Speaker 1: some degree that's against you. You know how to left
Speaker 1: would feel about you, because you're in the opposite aisle
Speaker 1: all right, where you consider the climate that we're living in.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna get it done? How are you
Speaker 1: gonna win this election in Minnesota?
Speaker 7: Well, brother, I appreciate you having me on, and I'll
Speaker 7: come back on anytime.
Speaker 4: I love what you're doing.
Speaker 7: I love that you're starting to have, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: descending voices on the on the platform and show. I
Speaker 7: can't tell you how important it is, and I can't
Speaker 7: tell you how grateful I really am, because it's not
Speaker 7: about me. It's about the entire conversation being opened up
Speaker 7: to some things that people need to hear.
Speaker 4: Uh. And this is probably most important Russe.
Speaker 1: I never had this platform before when I was doing sports.
Speaker 1: You know, if you look at the diversity that comes
Speaker 1: on ESPN, I got a lot to do with that.
Speaker 1: I have this platform that I own and operate and
Speaker 1: I'm getting in the politics. I never had to do
Speaker 1: it before. So this I've always been this guy. I've
Speaker 1: always been one of the listen to both sides.
Speaker 7: And I appreciate it great. And look, this GOP thing
Speaker 7: is probably the most important. The mainstream media for so
Speaker 7: long has created a WWE politics narrative where you have
Speaker 7: Republicans and Democrats and they hate each other. They fight
Speaker 7: mostly the uniparty of Republicans and Democrats who protect the
Speaker 7: post World War two Democrat liberal order, or what they
Speaker 7: call the international rules based order, work together behind the
Speaker 7: scenes to create legislation that destroyed the value of American citizenship.
Speaker 7: I stand against that uniparty, and so what the GOP
Speaker 7: has functioned as is a.
Speaker 4: And Donald Trump has changed this. He took it over.
Speaker 7: He punched them in the gut and now they have
Speaker 7: to eat kro and bend the knee. And I kind
Speaker 7: of enjoy watching it because they all tried to take
Speaker 7: him out.
Speaker 4: And this was Christy and Romney and Cheney.
Speaker 7: I mean, how did the Democrats ever cide with Dick Cheney,
Speaker 7: the guys that convicted he should be a convicted war
Speaker 7: criminal and he's definitely a warmonger. But anyway, the point
Speaker 7: is that what they functioned as is a vanguard to
Speaker 7: keep minorities out of the Republican Party. They are the
Speaker 7: outer bastion of New World Order, the Minnesota GOP. This
Speaker 7: is what they tell you. We got to get new voters,
Speaker 7: We got to get new Republicans. But they don't want
Speaker 7: to go down into the Twin cities. And then they'll say, well,
Speaker 7: Royce has too many Twin Cities roots, we can't trust
Speaker 7: that he's actually Republican. And then the white rural Republicans
Speaker 7: who are Christian or whatever else the case may be, libertarian, whatever,
Speaker 7: when they try and come into the party after being
Speaker 7: motivated by Donald Trump's movement, they try and keep them out.
Speaker 7: So what are they actually function as? They are functioning
Speaker 7: as the controlled opposition intended to make sure black people,
Speaker 7: young black men specifically, never find their way into the
Speaker 7: party they should have rightfully always been in and had
Speaker 7: a very very important influence in. And guess what, I'm
Speaker 7: not here to fight that battle with the entirety of
Speaker 7: American politics. All I can do in Minnesota and on
Speaker 7: your show and anywhere else, tell people the truth, give
Speaker 7: you the facts, the history post World War two Democrat
Speaker 7: liberal order. This was the restructuring of the global finance system,
Speaker 7: Brententwood's conference, the World Bank, the dollar, and all of
Speaker 7: the other stuff in between, mostly predicated on national security
Speaker 7: and foreign policy.
Speaker 4: And this was when you said allies early. I don't
Speaker 4: want to go back to that. We'll talk about another time.
Speaker 7: But when you said our allies, I'm not so sure
Speaker 7: there are our allies.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 7: The European Union has to decide the fate of the
Speaker 7: European Union, and it can't be on the backs of
Speaker 7: the American working class, because the Europeans have a working
Speaker 7: class that need to pay up as well. So that's
Speaker 7: what we're fighting against. That's what I'm fighting against. I
Speaker 7: appreciate the time. I don't know if I can win
Speaker 7: in Minnesota, but I'm thirty four years old.
Speaker 4: I started early for a reason.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna keep going until my heart stops beating and
Speaker 7: I tell the truth and guess what.
Speaker 4: The people get to decide.
Speaker 7: If you want to vote for another Amy Klobashar, then
Speaker 7: I tell people, hey, you get the government you deserve.
Speaker 4: I guarantee you this.
Speaker 7: I would represent people in a much more honest way
Speaker 7: than maybe any politician that I could.
Speaker 4: That I can name, I can respect that.
Speaker 1: I have to listen to that. I can't ignore that
Speaker 1: last question, very last question. I need a quick answer here, Royce.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on a spot. There is no
Speaker 1: MAGA movement, there is no Donald Trump. Which side would
Speaker 1: you fall on? Considering what you said about the left
Speaker 1: and what you said about the GOP. If there were
Speaker 1: no Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, MAGA movement, which side would
Speaker 1: you would you favor?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm so close to Steve Banning is hard
Speaker 4: for me to say that.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying if I say, if you take I say,
Speaker 1: if you take him away, take him out of the mix,
Speaker 1: take Trump out of the mix, take MAGA out of
Speaker 1: the mix. It's just a conventional GOP that you decried
Speaker 1: and the left who you rolling with.
Speaker 7: Well, without Donald Trump, I'd have to say I'd run independent,
Speaker 7: or I would have tried to fight my way up
Speaker 7: to the top of the Democrat Party and been smacked
Speaker 7: down the way I think you may run into actually
Speaker 7: the fact that you run on the Democratic side. But
Speaker 7: I'd have to say independent, And I probably would have
Speaker 7: had a very tough time winning as an independent in
Speaker 7: any office all across the country because the party or
Speaker 7: the independent just doesn't have that that political power and
Speaker 7: machine and sort of tribal tribal ins to it. So,
Speaker 7: but without a Donald Trump, the Republican Party is the
Speaker 7: Republican Party of George Bush. And there is no greater
Speaker 7: threat to freedom and American stability than the neo Khan
Speaker 7: war mongering of the George Bush types and the Republican Party.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Royce White, candidate for Senator for the state of Minnesota. Man,
Speaker 1: let's I didn't expect this kind of conversation. I wanted
Speaker 1: to introduce you to my audience as a potential senator
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. I can't tell you how much
Speaker 1: I enjoy talking to you. We'll get in and what
Speaker 1: you've been critical about me with next time it all
Speaker 1: when we got more time. But I'm all good with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that what you're saying is you've
Speaker 1: given us a lot of food for thought, man, and
Speaker 1: I sincerely thank you for that. And this will not
Speaker 1: be the last time I will have you on because
Speaker 1: I think America needs to hear more of what you
Speaker 1: have to say, especially before the election, as we look
Speaker 1: forward to picking our politicians, electing them, holding them accountable, etc.
Speaker 1: We need to hear from people like you more. So
Speaker 1: you always have a home on this show. My brother.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being on the show, and
Speaker 1: I talked you soon.
Speaker 4: Thank you, brother, God speed to you. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon well.
Speaker 1: Only Royce White right here with Steven nick Smith coming up.
Speaker 1: The President of the United States of America himself told
Speaker 1: me in a national television audience he would love to
Speaker 1: see me run in twenty twenty eight. But first, the
Speaker 1: biggest boxing weekend in recent memory begins tonight in tom Square.
Speaker 1: At least five five big time fighters in the ring
Speaker 1: this weekend, and I want to talk about them. That's
Speaker 1: next right here on the Stephen Nate Smith Show. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Steven Nay Smiths Show. Now let's talk about some
Speaker 1: boxing on Cinco de Mayo weekend that features five big
Speaker 1: fights in three unique locations. The first location will be
Speaker 1: in a ring that will be set up in Time
Speaker 1: Square in New York City, right in the heart of
Speaker 1: Time Square. That's where Ryan Garcia will face Rolando Roley Romero,
Speaker 1: Devin Haney will take on Jose Ramirez, and Tiafimo Lopez
Speaker 1: will square off with Arnold Barboza Junior in a super
Speaker 1: lightweight title bout. That's all happening tonight and if Hany
Speaker 1: and Garcia both win their bouts, they're expected to have
Speaker 1: a rematch next Then on Saturday, Canelo Alvarez will try
Speaker 1: to unify all four major super middle world titles when
Speaker 1: he takes on IBF champion Williams Skull in Riaje, Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest fight of the week and is Japanese
Speaker 1: star the Monster themself. Nail Ye and No Ua and
Speaker 1: a real fight on USO are defending his undisputed junior
Speaker 1: featherweight championship against Ramon CoA Dennis. This man is universally
Speaker 1: considered the top three to five pound four found fighter
Speaker 1: on the planet, and it is fighting in the United
Speaker 1: States for only the fourth time and first time since
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. And know u A is no joke.
Speaker 2: He's that big time.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that they're doing something different in boxing,
Speaker 1: like having to fight in toime square.
Speaker 2: I love the fact that Ta Femo Lopez.
Speaker 1: Is on a card. I'm not that excited about Haini
Speaker 1: and Brian Garcia ultimately meeting one another again because, let
Speaker 1: me be very very clear where I stand on Hani.
Speaker 1: We saw him get beat up by Ryan Garcia. That's
Speaker 1: not my issue. Obviously. Ryan Garcia is fighting for the
Speaker 1: first time. He got suspended for a while. You know
Speaker 1: they were saying he was using the wrong substances or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Here's the deal. We saw you lose,
Speaker 1: and what Devin Haney needs to understand is that your
Speaker 1: marketability was hurt big time. And I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: to you. I blame I blame him, but mostly I
Speaker 1: blame his father for allowing it to happen. At the
Speaker 1: time Devin Haney lost to Ryan Garcia, he was thirty
Speaker 1: and oh he was undefeated. He was the champion. Okay,
Speaker 1: he had just defeated Cambosis, Okay, he was the champion.
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia wants to resurrect himself after losing to Javonte Davis.
Speaker 1: What the hell are you betting him a half a
Speaker 1: million dollars for every pound he's overweight? Being overweight made
Speaker 1: him that much bigger and stronger come fight night. Then
Speaker 1: why would you agree to that? Why would you co
Speaker 1: sign that? Why would you bet him on that? So,
Speaker 1: to me, the one blemish on Devin Haney's record he
Speaker 1: brought on himself because you should have never allowed Ryan
Speaker 1: Garcia to enter the ring overweight, meaning beyond the weight limit.
Speaker 1: You're the champion, he meets the criteria or he doesn't
Speaker 1: fight you, period. That's what Javonte Davis made him do.
Speaker 1: But you didn't do that, Devion Nighty, and that's why
Speaker 1: you have that one blemish on your record. And so
Speaker 1: now I guess if you meet Ryan Garcia, if both
Speaker 1: of y'all win, y'all respect the fights tonight and there's
Speaker 1: a rematch down the line, Yeah, we'll watch it because
Speaker 1: it's a compelling, interesting fight. But anything outside of a
Speaker 1: spectacular knockout. No one's gonna really want to hear anything
Speaker 1: because you shouldn't have let him fight you to begin with.
Speaker 1: As for Canilo Alvarez, William Skull, really williams Skull, I mean,
Speaker 1: no disrespect. Well, even the damn names sounds boring. Your
Speaker 1: Canilo Alvarez is Cenko Demayo. Yeah, your Mexican contingent is
Speaker 1: gonna follow you anywhere you go. I get it.
Speaker 2: But when you're gonna fight David Benavidez, I think.
Speaker 1: That if Terrence Crawford fought Canilo Alvarez, I think that
Speaker 1: he could outbox Canilo Alvarez. I think because he could
Speaker 1: outbox Canelo Alvarez, he could likely win by decision. But
Speaker 1: I can't see him hurting Canilo Alvarez. I can't see
Speaker 1: that happening. And I'm looking at Skull's record there obviously
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons he's fighting a skull. Canelos
Speaker 1: fighting Skull, He's only got nine knockouts. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: David Benavidez is the Mexican monster, coined that name by
Speaker 1: the great Mike Tyson. The man is undefeated, The man
Speaker 1: is a super lightweight champion. Now he's just thrown on
Speaker 1: everybody at the light heavyweight division. It shouldn't come to that.
Speaker 1: David Benavidez should be in the ring with Canilo Alvarez
Speaker 1: at some point in time. When are the people, When
Speaker 1: is the Latino community going to demand that Canillo fight
Speaker 1: David Benevetez. Number one is a fight we all want
Speaker 1: to see. And number two to my Latino brothers and
Speaker 1: sisters out there. Last time I checked, David benavite is
Speaker 1: of Latin ancestry himself. Why don't y'all look out for
Speaker 1: that brother? Let him get his shot at the crown.
Speaker 1: Why is Canillo Alvarez, who I love, by the way,
Speaker 1: but I don't like what he's doing to David Benavitez.
Speaker 1: You can't continue to ignore this guy. This is the
Speaker 1: fight we want to see. The only reason why David
Speaker 1: Benavitez is up at light heavyweight is because Canillo won't
Speaker 1: fight him. Some gotta be said. I can't believe that
Speaker 1: the Hispanic community hasn't called Canilo out for not fighting Benavidez.
Speaker 1: This is the fight we want. The boxing world wants
Speaker 1: that fight, and David Benavitez has earned it. Ladies, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: He's a knockout artist and he's undefeated at the same
Speaker 1: weight class that Canilo Alvarez is defending his belts tonight,
Speaker 1: and he's been begging Canelo Alvarez to fighting for years.
Speaker 1: What y'all gonna do about that? I'm talking to my
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters in the Hispanic community. What y'all gonna
Speaker 1: do about that? Yeah, Canilo is your brother, so is
Speaker 1: David Benavidez.
Speaker 5: What's up?
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. That's fight you want to see.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get to your tweets today because I'm
Speaker 1: not interested because they got something else on my mind.
Speaker 1: I want to address and disregarding the President of the
Speaker 1: United States of America is a recent endorsement I received
Speaker 1: earlier this week. For those of you who didn't see it,
Speaker 1: it was this past Wednesday night on News Nation on
Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo show. Cuomo on News Nation, myself, Chris Cuomo,
Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly. It's a town hall, and the President was
Speaker 1: kind enough to call in courtesy of Bill O'Reilly. By
Speaker 1: the way, he deserves credit for that, and Bill O'Reilly,
Speaker 1: being his instigate and self, brought my name up as
Speaker 1: a presidential helpful. I did not ask him to do that.
Speaker 1: I did not want him to do that, and I
Speaker 1: certainly didn't care to have any kind of endorsements from anybody.
Speaker 1: But listened to the exchange between the President of the
Speaker 1: United States in yours truly.
Speaker 4: Stephen A.
Speaker 7: Smith may run for president, as you know, Do you
Speaker 7: have any advice for Stephen A.
Speaker 1: If he arch is the run? No, Stephen's He's a
Speaker 1: good guy.
Speaker 5: He's a smart guy.
Speaker 1: I love watching him. He's got great entertainment skills, which
Speaker 1: is very important.
Speaker 5: People watch him.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of these democrats I watch, I
Speaker 1: say they have no chance. I've been pretty good at
Speaker 1: picking people and picking candidates, and I will tell you
Speaker 1: I'd love to see him run. All right, there you go.
Speaker 1: Oh God, that is the lad. Oh my lord. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't start every where. I bet everybody's been asking.
Speaker 4: Me about it.
Speaker 1: But obviously, regardless of how some of you feel about him,
Speaker 1: he's still the President of the United States. And if
Speaker 1: the president of the United States system then says something
Speaker 1: like that, it counts for something. I mean what I say,
Speaker 1: and I just want to I just want to reiterate
Speaker 1: the points that I'm making, and I hope y'all can
Speaker 1: understand where I'm coming from. I kept the door open
Speaker 1: for a potential run because elected officials and my own
Speaker 1: pastor said, you don't know what God has planned for you.
Speaker 1: You don't know what life's going to be like two
Speaker 1: years down the road. At least show respect and courtesy
Speaker 1: to the people who love and support you in such
Speaker 1: a venture by saying you'll leave the door open to
Speaker 1: any possibilities two years down the road, because you just
Speaker 1: don't know. And that's why I said I'll leave the
Speaker 1: door open. But I have never been a politician. I
Speaker 1: have never been interested in being a politician. No disrespect
Speaker 1: to any individuals. I just considered the industry that is
Speaker 1: of politics, where folks are professional beggars who perpetually own
Speaker 1: own favors. And that's not how I roll. Not only
Speaker 1: that you see politicians clamoring for donations, you know, and
Speaker 1: having fundraising advance and all of this other stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't need to do that. I got a job. I'm
Speaker 1: earning more money than most of them will earn in
Speaker 1: a lifetime. So my attitude wud be why would I
Speaker 1: walk away from the life that I've built for myself
Speaker 1: that doesn't have merely the amount of stress that comes
Speaker 1: with such an occupation like that, to voluntarily put myself
Speaker 1: into that cesspool, because that's exactly what I consider it
Speaker 1: to be. Okay, So not only that, let me put
Speaker 1: myself on front street. I'm tired of people talking about
Speaker 1: me like I'm somebody walking around, like I'm some officient
Speaker 1: out or politics. I am not. I am a concerned,
Speaker 1: conscientious American citizen who pays attention to and cares about
Speaker 1: the issues, fully aware that I don't know everything. One
Speaker 1: side puts one spin on it, another side puts another
Speaker 1: spin on it, and you're trying to deduce what's factual,
Speaker 1: what's nonfactual. You're trying to decipher the spin and what
Speaker 1: the objectives and the agendas are behind them. So I'm
Speaker 1: very very careful. Here's why aspiration and I want my team,
Speaker 1: not just you out there, to listen to what I'm
Speaker 1: about to say, because I'm very very serious about this.
Speaker 1: If there was a position that I clamor for more
Speaker 1: than anything in the world, it's the position that Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan was in leading up to the election. Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: should have.
Speaker 2: Gone to visit him.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump did, and there's a lot of people who
Speaker 1: have speculated that that is a huge reason why Donald
Speaker 1: Trump won the election. I don't know whether that's true
Speaker 1: or not, but what I desire people talking about me
Speaker 1: having that kind of impact.
Speaker 2: You damn right, I would.
Speaker 1: It is my hope that everybody in Capitol Hill knows
Speaker 1: that I wanted the people they have to come through
Speaker 1: en route to their aspirations for higher office, because I
Speaker 1: got news for you.
Speaker 2: I'm not going anywhere. I'm gonna stay in.
Speaker 1: Their ass every chance I get it, because I'm sick
Speaker 1: of what they've done to the American people. When they
Speaker 1: say we are as divided more than ever before. I
Speaker 1: blame Capitol Hill. You engage in division and dissension in
Speaker 1: order to buffer yourself. You got this two party system,
Speaker 1: and we got to pick all right, which is the
Speaker 1: worst devil one side or the other. If you notice
Speaker 1: everything that I've been doing, Yes, I've had conservatives on,
Speaker 1: but I've had liberals too, and I'm gonna continue to
Speaker 1: have both on. Why Because I don't want the fringes
Speaker 1: on the left with the extreme leftist the progressives, nor
Speaker 1: do I want the Maga Wright pulling us and tilting
Speaker 1: us dramatically to one side or another. I'm a moderate,
Speaker 1: I'm a centrist. Why what does that mean. Does that
Speaker 1: mean I'm devoid of principle?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: Does that mean I'm devoid of having a position. No,
Speaker 1: it means that I'm open minded enough to understand why
Speaker 1: somebody else's position would be different. And even if I
Speaker 1: don't agree with them, it doesn't make them a racist,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make them a no good person, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make them the devil incarnate. Where you got people like
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren treating you like you are going to hell
Speaker 1: if you don't agree with her. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I think it lets politicians off the hook because they
Speaker 1: get to get away when not doing their job, which
Speaker 1: is to go on Capitol Hill and in the face
Speaker 1: of adversity every single damn day. You gotta work across
Speaker 1: the aisle and within your own party to negotiate, compromise
Speaker 1: and get things done on behalf of the American people,
Speaker 1: with the understanding that no one gets everything they want,
Speaker 1: but we gonna do what'sn't the best interests of America.
Speaker 1: That's me, That's all I want, because I believe it
Speaker 1: will lead to less division in the streets of America,
Speaker 1: which will be us being more at peace. P ain't
Speaker 1: y'all disturbed? And I'm not blaming Obama for this, but
Speaker 1: I'm using this as an example. We heard how the
Speaker 1: left talked about Trump leading up to the election. We've
Speaker 1: seen some of the things that Obama has said about Trump.
Speaker 1: We've seen some of the things Trump is said about Obama.
Speaker 1: How is it that they consider somebody's funerals sitting right
Speaker 1: next to each other, joking around, having a good old time.
Speaker 1: But we out in the streets ready to butt heads
Speaker 1: with one another over odd differences. But the politicians that
Speaker 1: highlight and dare I say, causes some of that division
Speaker 1: get to get along with one another. Don't y'all find
Speaker 1: that a bit odd? I know I do. So that's
Speaker 1: all I want to say about that. And oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, I kind of told y'all I knew Trump
Speaker 1: a little bit, right. You see the first words that
Speaker 1: came out as mouth, Hello, Steven. It's been a long
Speaker 1: time because we used to talk on and off throughout
Speaker 1: the years to him running for president. When I went
Speaker 1: to watch a boxing match, where did you think I
Speaker 1: went to? I went to Atlantic City at Trump's at
Speaker 1: Trump's establishments, we would see him at basketball games or
Speaker 1: football games because Trump was an avid sports fan. I
Speaker 1: told you he knew me, and I know him. I
Speaker 1: appreciated him being on the air. I appreciated him being
Speaker 1: coind and respectful to me. It ain't gonna stop me
Speaker 1: from disagreeing with him. But civility is not a crime.
Speaker 1: It should actually be something that's aspired for and desired.
Speaker 1: That's it for this edition of The Stephen Aate Smith Show.
Speaker 1: I got to get on out of here. I got
Speaker 1: work to do, NBA Countdown and all of that other stuff.
Speaker 1: I will be back at the start of next week Monday.
Speaker 1: So until then, everybody, I'm signing off peace and love,
Speaker 1: be safe, God bless