WEBVTT - Ep. 578: Big Shrimpin' 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.640 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:19.320 You can't predict anything. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.800 The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you by First Light. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.079 Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.560 for el, First Light has performance apparel to support every 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.440 hunter in every environment. Check it out at first light 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.680 dot com. F I R S T L I t 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.320 E dot com. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.080 Buy you lafouche should how you say it? 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:45.839 By you let? What's it mean? 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.440 The fuk, the fuk and the buyo right here? Okay, 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.840 when the the bike came down from the river, it 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.680 forked off, just like the push the push pull you 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.319 use when you're hunting. Yep, it funked off. So that's 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:00.600 where it's got it got its name. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:05.520 Oh a push pulls of foush. Yeah, introduce yourself. Tracy Collins, 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:06.760 you ever been on a podcast before? 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:09.280 No start? My first one. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:11.400 I could recall how's it feel? 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.880 I'm a little flushy? 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.720 Also joined by his son Rodny Collins. You've been on 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.959 the show before round? Yeah, we we did duck hunting. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:27.920 I came on the famous Greg Fonts Yep. Chili's here, 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.880 and then Asa who doesn't know about Asa Carter's right? 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:38.080 Can you do me the fit? Can you listen? Asa 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:43.680 Jackson Clark, Asa Jackson Clark. You're a professional fisherman, right, Yep, Okay. 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.920 Yep, I've done it for about ten years on and off, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:47.040 charter fishing down here. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.480 How old are you? Twenty nine? About to be twenty nine? 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.280 A couple of weeks? Yeah, so you're you're you're a 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.960 professional fisherman. Yep? You single? No, I'm engaged. 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.000 Oh, it's going to help you out. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.560 Uh do me. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.200 Here's the thing that I want. I just want you 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.000 to pay attention to for a second now. And then 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.000 people will come to me and they'll say, you really 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:14.120 ought to You should really read blank book? Right, you 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:18.520 should really watch blank movie? I Am. I will say 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.560 to them, like, if it's not gonna happen. Rather than 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.440 creating tension and something that needs to be brought up 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.160 again and again, I would just flat out say I'm 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.799 not gonna watch that movie, right, you know what I'm saying, Right, 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.760 And then it's just it just it ends and I 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.880 don't need to feel guilty about not watching it. I 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.800 don't need to feel guilty about not reading the book. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.040 They're not gonna ask me again if I watched it. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.320 I'll just say leave it at that. I'm not gonna 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:50.040 watch that movie. Okay. I would like you to go 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.359 and listen to Have you ever heard of a show 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.960 called the Bear Grease Podcast? Yeah, with Clayton Nukeom. I 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.680 would like you to go listen to the three part 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.680 series on Asa Carter. Okay, I'll do that. I like listening. 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.560 You're going to do if you if you, if you 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:11.720 tell me to go rate an A Carter book, I 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.040 might not have, but I can listen. That's easy because 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.399 I drive a lot and I like I like clay 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.400 nukelemb He's interesting. So you're gonna listen to the As 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.120 Carter series. Yeah, well it'll change your life, actually will. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.840 It's kind of it's not my namesake, but I mean. 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.680 I don't know. I don't know that it's not. I 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.480 don't think it is. You never know. Well, you know, 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:36.400 so Asa Carter his name, his namesake for his middle 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:41.280 name was Forrest Carter. Who is he was a gorilla 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.520 kind of a famous gorilla fighter during the Civil War. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:51.440 Oh cool, ye cool, like a somewhat of a tactical genius, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.800 if not a somewhat compromised character, but a famous civil 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:55.360 war fighter. 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.800 Gotcha, Well, yeah, after what you told me about his 0:03:58.040 --> 0:03:59.960 uh kind of dichotomy of his life. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:06.400 Yeah, very very complex person. I'm interested now, ye interest 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:16.159 speech writer, regular writer, brawler confused the wild wild man. Yeah, cool, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.479 so you'll do that. I will do that, don't I 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.039 won't tell you I'm not going to do that. Don't 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.640 grin f me. You know what that means? Is that 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.719 like smiling and yeah you're like, oh yeah, I read it. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.159 Read it, Chili? How was your first oyster? Man? 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.000 It was incredible. 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.000 I was telling Chief here uh that I feel like 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.599 I'm I'm part of one with the land and sea 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.240 and I might just buy me a houseboat. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.039 You're by you man, I'm by you man. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.000 Yeah, I'm working on the the lingo. 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.080 I I've been nervous about the lingo, and I want 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:51.680 to share something with you guys that I didn't want 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:56.800 to I'm reluctant to admit. Well, last night I had 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.480 to look up I got I realized all something that 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.120 wasn't entirely clear on what a bye you was. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.080 I was like, I know what it is. But I 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.760 don't really know what it is. Hm hmm, So what 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:11.120 is it? 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.120 I feel like something you would know it is? 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:18.520 Well, it is a slow moving stream or river in 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:26.400 flat country with a poorly defined shoreline. So like a delta, 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.840 no adelta is where adulta could be adultas where a 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.000 river opens out onto a larger fo figures out on 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:38.240 a body of water. But by you, slow moving river 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:45.080 stream in flat country with poorly defined shorelines. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.760 Is that what you guys thought of? 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:47.120 Like? 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:48.200 Is that what it means? 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:48.640 You? 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.279 By you was actually a branch of the river. 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.640 Yeah, so you know what I'm saying, the word by you, 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.040 by your general r yeah bye. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.400 Yeah, by I was thinking of a slow moving body of. 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.359 Because like I'm as down on the bayou as anybody 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.960 personally slow move. But I didn't realize what that. I 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.960 didn't realize being as down on the by you as 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.120 I am, not even knowing what the hell that meant 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:14.719 was making me nervous. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:19.880 So never really gave you can go right here, Yeah, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:21.760 we are down on the bayu And. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.279 Uh so, Terry people call you chief? What's that all about? 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:27.080 You haven't written? 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:32.440 It came about when Ronnie's son was born and His 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.800 mother said, Uh, mister Tracy, what would you want Anthony 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.479 to call you? I said, I don't know, maybe Papa 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.080 Tea or something like that. She says, how about Chief? 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:43.920 I said, Chief? 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:44.280 It is? 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.040 That's where we're at. Really, yeah, I like it? 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:49.360 Is that what your grandkid calls you? 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:49.960 All of them? 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.120 Yeah, everybody calls them that. 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.800 Now they'll call me my friends, my buddies, they call 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.240 me chief, and it's all good. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.479 All right? Do you mind, key Walker? See what uh 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.640 just tell us in what we were up to last night? 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.200 Well last night, I mean I haven't gone out in 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.000 a few nights, you know, about a week or so. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.520 So really when you go shrimp and you gotta kind 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.080 of go out and hunt, have your hunt hunt on, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.720 you know, and search and see where the shrimp are. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.120 You know, you gotta kind of look at your tides 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.680 and your water clarity, you know, your weather. You just 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.800 sometimes it's here, say you know, we caught some here, 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.960 and you go, you're going to hunt. So last night, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.679 I mean, uh, we had a little rough weather to start. 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:40.200 But knowing that grass, that raison, the seaweed was moving 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.960 in the way, do you use for that uhison like 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.160 a raisin raisin grass. We call it the sorg The 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.280 sorgum is a raisin grass, and in friends they call 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.040 it aison. So we wanted to try and get away 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.320 from that, so that's when we headed north. Then we 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.280 ended up going hit one of the canals, knowing there 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.760 wasn't gonna have vanded the raisin grass or I knew 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.680 it was gonna be a little cleaner. I just wasn't 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.680 quite sure if it was going to do anything, because 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:11.040 the tide was almost at a standstill. But even at 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.640 a stand still, you notice they were real small. That's 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.320 when your real small ones are going to kind of 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.880 just float up and play around, you know, and kind 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.239 of just give a little drift. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.560 So we was able to pick up a few like that, 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:22.520 you know, a few. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.200 A few. Yeah, well that was a little mess. I 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.440 mean sometimes you could load the boat in a little 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:33.440 while in that concept, you know, But it wasn't too bad. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.599 I was hoping to look, I was looking for the 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:36.400 larger ones. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:36.439 You know. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.480 Yeah, I was able to get a few. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.400 How long have you been in the shrimp business, Well. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.880 I was. You see, my family was always in the 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.160 oyster business. But in the summertime we would rig up 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.000 a couple of the oyster boats. We had three boats. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.000 We'd put two of them with shrimp rigging and we'd 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.559 go out on the beach or in the bays in 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.520 the back of Grand Island, and uh, that's what we 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.560 did in the summertime. Just the winter time it was oysters. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.199 Okay, So it's like it was more like opportunistic when 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:08.480 you could. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.559 Well, we'd shift from one season to the next, from 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.520 archster season to shrimp season. So we'd we'd get out 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.920 of school early, you know, and go with my grandpa 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.040 and my dad and I start fishing for shrimp. You know. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.520 We'd do it every summer. Then we kind of broke 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:30.120 away from it for a while then and then I 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.439 had this arster boat here. I hadn't shrimped in a 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.079 long time, so I just, uh, we went ahead and 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.360 utilized it to be able to go out and do 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:38.040 a little shrimping. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.160 When you say you guys broke away from it, did 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.520 you break away from it because of the influence of 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:47.080 the oil industry, Well, actually, crazy different class jobs. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.079 It was ulchstering almost a year round. Now, okay, we 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.920 was with the refrigeration, we was able to fish arsters 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.880 in the summer months, we had an abundance of archsteres, 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.679 so it was fishing pretty much. 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:57.960 Uh. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.160 It was pretty much r stream more than then going 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:02.800 back in shrimp. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:04.080 Uh. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.360 How far back was your family go in this area? 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:07.720 Uh? 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:14.840 Four five generations. Uh, four generations for sure, fishing behind 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:19.040 in the Grand Island area. My dad was raised in Shinyir, 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.240 which is the little town right before you get onto 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.000 the island. And after the big storm, the big storm 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:27.280 wiped everything out up. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.160 What big storm was at, I don't know. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:31.800 I don't think they had a name of It was 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.800 before Betsy. I want to say it was before Bets, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.920 you know, because my dad was caught in the lake 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.319 during Betsy. All the water was sucked out from the 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.839 storm and the boats were landing in the mud and 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.680 the water just rushed back. They had dropped the anchor 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.640 and all trying to before the water rushed back water 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.280 water was still there. They had dropped the anchor that 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.679 had two boats tied together, and when the water rushed 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.840 back in, the boats separated, the ropes popped, he said, 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.880 the planks were flying off the sides the mud. They 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.160 found mud in the engine room that flew it in 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.840 through the little cracks in the windows and all. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:09.840 It was pretty bad. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.120 But they didn't have no you know, phones to see 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.040 the weather coming and whatnot. They just knew they was 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.040 in a storm. They was coming from across the river 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.640 from transporting oysters. And they said when they got to 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.800 a strict of locks, they used to open the locks 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.920 with some mules them. Yeah, the mules used to walk 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.960 in the circuit and the turn the shaft to turn 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.280 the shaft to open up the locks. And when he 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:38.800 got there, the mules were going, so they they had 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.679 to jump on land and manually turned the locks to 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.079 open them up to lock themselves through to get to 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.640 get back home. And by that time there was actually 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:51.000 a year resistance sixty five, the year was born, Yeah, 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.560 nineteen sixty five Hurricane beds okay, but it was before 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.160 that they wiped out everything. And where the so of 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.960 my relatives where their house landed up in Golden Metal 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:08.040 in Baye Lafouche. The house landed there and they broke 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.640 it down in the bayo and rebuilt it on the land. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.319 So we landed in golden Metal. Yeah, because that's where 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:16.120 your house landed. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:17.760 That's that's how you want to say it. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.959 That's it, not us. There was a relative of it, 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.439 but my family and all I guess, you know, my 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.439 grandfather had other brothers that lived in that area also, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.880 you know, so that they went up to Golden Metal. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.800 But I still have the property in Shinier where they 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.319 used to live. What's there now but nothing that we 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.599 had a camp there, but it got wiped out for 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.720 I think called Katrina. Yeah, yeah, wiped out everything. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.120 What's a shineer chief like? It's like the opposite of 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:48.160 a by you right at land. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.679 Bridge ser I'm not quite sure the Oakridge. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.120 Yeah, Briandie fixed your mic. Man, if you think that's 0:12:55.160 --> 0:13:00.839 two fingers off, five fingers off off your beard and 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:01.959 not too off your mustache? 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:07.040 Now higher higher up right, Yeah, okay, I didn't get 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:07.640 the momo. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.280 Greg's two two fingers off, three fingers off his teeth. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.800 It feels gonna be mad at you, guys. I'm sorry. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.040 So uh so that's pretty much the arch They were 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.160 fishing archsters behind back then they jump in the water, 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.839 the corn orsters. They would take the ysters out the 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.439 mud and put them in the big bolt and just 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.240 hand hand picking. And they used to they used to 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:36.559 have a they call it a trouma, a tromai. It's 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:41.360 a triple net besides orstring. So when the shrimp and 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.560 season would come around, they go put out a troma. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.079 It might be two three, four hundred feet long, and 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.800 it was a small mesh to catch the shrimp, a 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.600 larger mesh which would have been about a three inch 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.959 mesh to catch like your trout. And then they had 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.880 another mesh that would catch like the bull drum, bull 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.640 reds and everything. I actually still have some of the 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.120 corks that were made out of three out at once. 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.600 It's all one net made all together, and they would 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.000 just have the smaller mash and catch all the shit 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.880 they catch every well, the biggest stuff would get away. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.560 That's where the four inch mesh the big fish would 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.600 get caught in it. You need to manually pull them out, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:21.520 almost like a gill net. 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.880 Yeah, a gill net. So it's it's sort of sorting 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.360 what it catches, correct, I gotcha? Oh, so that catches 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.320 like a gill net. I got YOUA And what do 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:31.080 they call that word? 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:32.560 May? 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:38.920 Like three meshes in three meshes in frenches may. So 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:43.360 these were oyster men. They would make more other times 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:43.680 a year. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:48.240 Fish that way, whatever whatever was in season, you know, 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.280 and uh whatever they would have. Whatever they would catch, 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.200 they would load up in some skiffs, which was a 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.200 boat without a deck, and they'd run them up the 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.000 Barantaria Waterway and go sell them. That was how they 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.440 get rid of them. They'd go sell them a Barataria 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.600 Waterway to and somebody would pick them up, bring it 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:11.160 to them new walls or whatever, probably probably little feet. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.360 And they had he had pins built to keep turtles. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.680 They had a pond that they would block off with boards. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.080 They would take the red fish and drum fish and 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.120 throw them in that pond. And when they was ready 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:28.080 to go to market, they go round up everything. They 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.560 had drums in the in the ground where the turtles 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.960 would walk up to lay their eggs and fall in 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.480 the little drum about a foot and half deep, and 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.760 they go pick up the turtles and they had those 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.440 in a pan. Also, fresh water turtles are salt salt uh, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.560 diamondback turtle, little diamondback. 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.000 Diamond packed terrapins. Yeah, tell me about the trap again. 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.520 It was like a like a barrel, just cut maybe 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.000 a two foot barrel to place it in the ground 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.920 level with the soil where the turtles would just walk 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.960 go up and fall in them because the turtles will 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.600 climb ashore to go let their eggs or whatnot. Oh, 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.640 they think they were coming ashore, then you they was 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.760 coming to short That's what he said. These traps, you know, 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:14.080 to catch the turtles. Man, I'm totally not following. 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.320 They come up the shore to lay there is I 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:16.600 got it. 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.640 But one of the odds he's gonna come up the plank. Yeah, 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.120 you just place them in different areas. But there was 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:27.280 an abundance of turtles. So a wave of turtles. They 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.160 had a good bit of turtles, not necessarily a wave. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.600 It was just in the area where you didn't have 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:37.080 too many little sand banks in the marsh where they 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.480 would go. So I guess I guess they knew where 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.400 they was gonna go, where they was gonna go. Like 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.280 if you're gonna go fishing, you know the fish is 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.160 gonna be right here. I knew the turtles were gonna 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:47.200 come to live here, you. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.080 Know how I was telling Jack over there about how 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.080 if someone asked me to read a book and I'm 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:53.600 not gonna read it. 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:58.400 I'm not gonna read no book. I'm just and I'll 0:16:58.400 --> 0:16:59.320 say I'm not going to read it. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:01.960 Here's another thing I'm trying to work on in life, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.440 like a self improvement thing, is when someone's explaining something 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.160 to me right and I don't understand it, I find 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:13.879 that most people, most people will act not along right. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.359 I have tried in my adult life to become the 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.040 kind of person that says, I just don't understand. That's 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.359 as bad as it might make me look, instead of 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.120 acting like I understand, I'll tell them I don't understand. Yeah, 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.400 and I get what you're saying, but I don't. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.960 Well, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. So I'm trying 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.120 to explain it the best way I can to figure 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:35.440 it out. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.320 Uh, you can if you just want to mess around 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:43.639 and catch painted turtles map turtles I'm talking about. I 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.959 guess yankee turtles up where they like to come out 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.880 and sun themselves. Okay, So you could make a floating 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:55.840 pen with meshing it and put a sunning ramp like 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.959 a plank that comes up over it, and they all 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.800 stack up on their the sun themselves, and all you 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.960 got to do is spook them, because they don't back 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.440 down off the plank when you spook them, they just 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.920 dive in. So they walk up the plank to sun themselves, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:12.600 and then you just come by and spook them all 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.440 and they fall in the cage and they fall in 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.280 the pent I get that, but I don't get but 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:19.560 we don't even spend too much time. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:21.040 No, that's good man. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:22.760 We all right, you understand it. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.520 Greg, have a good idea. 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.119 I think you really, No, you got to think the 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.040 amount of time these guys spent on the coastline. They 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:30.879 probably had a pretty good idea. Where the sea. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.879 Turtles not sea turtles diving so like like he was saying, 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.800 it's in the marsh, it's mostly mud, and they would 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:39.680 find like a sandy bank on the marsh, which is 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:40.119 a rarity. 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.320 So a lot of the turtles would congregate there knowing 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:42.720 they're going. 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:44.400 To come up with places. 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.520 I've seen tarrapins tend to be sandy or parts of 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:46.960 the marsh. 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.639 Didn't I show you one of the barrels we was 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.200 going to fish back there or something long time ago? 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.320 They still had the barrel there. I've seen one. I 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.800 don't know there's been years now, but I've seen them 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:00.560 still there. Uh. 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:05.119 When you grew up, you were raised by people who 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:06.520 hand picked oysters. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:07.920 I still didn't grow up yet. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.359 How did that talk about how you called oysters when 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.480 you were doing oysters straight to the dredge? Oh but yeah, 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.879 what was that transition like from from guys going in 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.080 and hand selecting, Well, we more mass harvest. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.080 Well that was before my time. So when when I 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:30.320 started working, we was pulling in the dredge, the chain 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.960 and the dredge pulling it up and landing on the deck. 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.840 Yep. But how is that, like are the oysters so 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.960 thick on the beds that you're just scraping the top 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:40.600 of the bed off. 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:46.000 Well, you saw when we when we was loading the oysters. Yeah, 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.040 well we will go pick that up. It might take 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.520 us a day, two days to finally load up. When 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.600 we load them up and we haul them here to 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:57.480 transplant them, we have our bed marked off and it's 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.639 solid like a like a parking lot. It's real. So 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.000 we just we're going to pile them up. We could 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.000 pile them up maybe a six inches thick. 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.920 Back up and explain this process. Okay, so that you're 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.840 moving oysters, explain. 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.560 Well, you got the state reefs and you got your 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.560