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Speaker 3: Buy you lafouche should how you say it?
Speaker 1: By you let? What's it mean?
Speaker 3: The fuk, the fuk and the buyo right here? Okay,
Speaker 3: when the the bike came down from the river, it
Speaker 3: forked off, just like the push the push pull you
Speaker 3: use when you're hunting. Yep, it funked off. So that's
Speaker 3: where it's got it got its name.
Speaker 1: Oh a push pulls of foush. Yeah, introduce yourself. Tracy Collins,
Speaker 1: you ever been on a podcast before?
Speaker 3: No start? My first one.
Speaker 1: I could recall how's it feel?
Speaker 3: I'm a little flushy?
Speaker 1: Also joined by his son Rodny Collins. You've been on
Speaker 1: the show before round? Yeah, we we did duck hunting.
Speaker 1: I came on the famous Greg Fonts Yep. Chili's here,
Speaker 1: and then Asa who doesn't know about Asa Carter's right?
Speaker 1: Can you do me the fit? Can you listen? Asa
Speaker 1: Jackson Clark, Asa Jackson Clark. You're a professional fisherman, right, Yep, Okay.
Speaker 4: Yep, I've done it for about ten years on and off,
Speaker 4: charter fishing down here.
Speaker 1: How old are you? Twenty nine? About to be twenty nine?
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks? Yeah, so you're you're you're a
Speaker 1: professional fisherman. Yep? You single? No, I'm engaged.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's going to help you out.
Speaker 5: Uh do me.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that I want. I just want you
Speaker 1: to pay attention to for a second now. And then
Speaker 1: people will come to me and they'll say, you really
Speaker 1: ought to You should really read blank book? Right, you
Speaker 1: should really watch blank movie? I Am. I will say
Speaker 1: to them, like, if it's not gonna happen. Rather than
Speaker 1: creating tension and something that needs to be brought up
Speaker 1: again and again, I would just flat out say I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna watch that movie, right, you know what I'm saying, Right,
Speaker 1: And then it's just it just it ends and I
Speaker 1: don't need to feel guilty about not watching it. I
Speaker 1: don't need to feel guilty about not reading the book.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna ask me again if I watched it.
Speaker 1: I'll just say leave it at that. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: watch that movie. Okay. I would like you to go
Speaker 1: and listen to Have you ever heard of a show
Speaker 1: called the Bear Grease Podcast? Yeah, with Clayton Nukeom. I
Speaker 1: would like you to go listen to the three part
Speaker 1: series on Asa Carter. Okay, I'll do that. I like listening.
Speaker 4: You're going to do if you if you, if you
Speaker 4: tell me to go rate an A Carter book, I
Speaker 4: might not have, but I can listen. That's easy because
Speaker 4: I drive a lot and I like I like clay
Speaker 4: nukelemb He's interesting. So you're gonna listen to the As
Speaker 4: Carter series. Yeah, well it'll change your life, actually will.
Speaker 4: It's kind of it's not my namesake, but I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that it's not. I
Speaker 1: don't think it is. You never know. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: so Asa Carter his name, his namesake for his middle
Speaker 1: name was Forrest Carter. Who is he was a gorilla
Speaker 1: kind of a famous gorilla fighter during the Civil War.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, ye cool, like a somewhat of a tactical genius,
Speaker 1: if not a somewhat compromised character, but a famous civil
Speaker 1: war fighter.
Speaker 4: Gotcha, Well, yeah, after what you told me about his
Speaker 4: uh kind of dichotomy of his life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very complex person. I'm interested now, ye interest
Speaker 1: speech writer, regular writer, brawler confused the wild wild man. Yeah, cool,
Speaker 1: so you'll do that. I will do that, don't I
Speaker 1: won't tell you I'm not going to do that. Don't
Speaker 1: grin f me. You know what that means? Is that
Speaker 1: like smiling and yeah you're like, oh yeah, I read it.
Speaker 3: Read it, Chili? How was your first oyster? Man?
Speaker 6: It was incredible.
Speaker 7: I was telling Chief here uh that I feel like
Speaker 7: I'm I'm part of one with the land and sea
Speaker 7: and I might just buy me a houseboat.
Speaker 1: You're by you man, I'm by you man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm working on the the lingo.
Speaker 1: I I've been nervous about the lingo, and I want
Speaker 1: to share something with you guys that I didn't want
Speaker 1: to I'm reluctant to admit. Well, last night I had
Speaker 1: to look up I got I realized all something that
Speaker 1: wasn't entirely clear on what a bye you was.
Speaker 3: I was like, I know what it is. But I
Speaker 3: don't really know what it is. Hm hmm, So what
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 6: I feel like something you would know it is?
Speaker 1: Well, it is a slow moving stream or river in
Speaker 1: flat country with a poorly defined shoreline. So like a delta,
Speaker 1: no adelta is where adulta could be adultas where a
Speaker 1: river opens out onto a larger fo figures out on
Speaker 1: a body of water. But by you, slow moving river
Speaker 1: stream in flat country with poorly defined shorelines.
Speaker 6: Is that what you guys thought of?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is that what it means?
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 3: By you was actually a branch of the river.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know what I'm saying, the word by you,
Speaker 1: by your general r yeah bye.
Speaker 8: Yeah, by I was thinking of a slow moving body of.
Speaker 1: Because like I'm as down on the bayou as anybody
Speaker 1: personally slow move. But I didn't realize what that. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize being as down on the by you as
Speaker 1: I am, not even knowing what the hell that meant
Speaker 1: was making me nervous.
Speaker 3: So never really gave you can go right here, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we are down on the bayu And.
Speaker 1: Uh so, Terry people call you chief? What's that all about?
Speaker 1: You haven't written?
Speaker 3: It came about when Ronnie's son was born and His
Speaker 3: mother said, Uh, mister Tracy, what would you want Anthony
Speaker 3: to call you? I said, I don't know, maybe Papa
Speaker 3: Tea or something like that. She says, how about Chief?
Speaker 3: I said, Chief?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 3: That's where we're at. Really, yeah, I like it?
Speaker 1: Is that what your grandkid calls you?
Speaker 3: All of them?
Speaker 8: Yeah, everybody calls them that.
Speaker 3: Now they'll call me my friends, my buddies, they call
Speaker 3: me chief, and it's all good.
Speaker 1: All right? Do you mind, key Walker? See what uh
Speaker 1: just tell us in what we were up to last night?
Speaker 3: Well last night, I mean I haven't gone out in
Speaker 3: a few nights, you know, about a week or so.
Speaker 3: So really when you go shrimp and you gotta kind
Speaker 3: of go out and hunt, have your hunt hunt on,
Speaker 3: you know, and search and see where the shrimp are.
Speaker 3: You know, you gotta kind of look at your tides
Speaker 3: and your water clarity, you know, your weather. You just
Speaker 3: sometimes it's here, say you know, we caught some here,
Speaker 3: and you go, you're going to hunt. So last night,
Speaker 3: I mean, uh, we had a little rough weather to start.
Speaker 3: But knowing that grass, that raison, the seaweed was moving
Speaker 3: in the way, do you use for that uhison like
Speaker 3: a raisin raisin grass. We call it the sorg The
Speaker 3: sorgum is a raisin grass, and in friends they call
Speaker 3: it aison. So we wanted to try and get away
Speaker 3: from that, so that's when we headed north. Then we
Speaker 3: ended up going hit one of the canals, knowing there
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna have vanded the raisin grass or I knew
Speaker 3: it was gonna be a little cleaner. I just wasn't
Speaker 3: quite sure if it was going to do anything, because
Speaker 3: the tide was almost at a standstill. But even at
Speaker 3: a stand still, you notice they were real small. That's
Speaker 3: when your real small ones are going to kind of
Speaker 3: just float up and play around, you know, and kind
Speaker 3: of just give a little drift.
Speaker 1: So we was able to pick up a few like that,
Speaker 1: you know, a few.
Speaker 3: A few. Yeah, well that was a little mess. I
Speaker 3: mean sometimes you could load the boat in a little
Speaker 3: while in that concept, you know, But it wasn't too bad.
Speaker 3: I was hoping to look, I was looking for the
Speaker 3: larger ones.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was able to get a few.
Speaker 1: How long have you been in the shrimp business, Well.
Speaker 3: I was. You see, my family was always in the
Speaker 3: oyster business. But in the summertime we would rig up
Speaker 3: a couple of the oyster boats. We had three boats.
Speaker 3: We'd put two of them with shrimp rigging and we'd
Speaker 3: go out on the beach or in the bays in
Speaker 3: the back of Grand Island, and uh, that's what we
Speaker 3: did in the summertime. Just the winter time it was oysters.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like it was more like opportunistic when
Speaker 1: you could.
Speaker 3: Well, we'd shift from one season to the next, from
Speaker 3: archster season to shrimp season. So we'd we'd get out
Speaker 3: of school early, you know, and go with my grandpa
Speaker 3: and my dad and I start fishing for shrimp. You know.
Speaker 3: We'd do it every summer. Then we kind of broke
Speaker 3: away from it for a while then and then I
Speaker 3: had this arster boat here. I hadn't shrimped in a
Speaker 3: long time, so I just, uh, we went ahead and
Speaker 3: utilized it to be able to go out and do
Speaker 3: a little shrimping.
Speaker 1: When you say you guys broke away from it, did
Speaker 1: you break away from it because of the influence of
Speaker 1: the oil industry, Well, actually, crazy different class jobs.
Speaker 3: It was ulchstering almost a year round. Now, okay, we
Speaker 3: was with the refrigeration, we was able to fish arsters
Speaker 3: in the summer months, we had an abundance of archsteres,
Speaker 3: so it was fishing pretty much.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: It was pretty much r stream more than then going
Speaker 3: back in shrimp.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: How far back was your family go in this area?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 3: Four five generations. Uh, four generations for sure, fishing behind
Speaker 3: in the Grand Island area. My dad was raised in Shinyir,
Speaker 3: which is the little town right before you get onto
Speaker 3: the island. And after the big storm, the big storm
Speaker 3: wiped everything out up.
Speaker 1: What big storm was at, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think they had a name of It was
Speaker 3: before Betsy. I want to say it was before Bets,
Speaker 3: you know, because my dad was caught in the lake
Speaker 3: during Betsy. All the water was sucked out from the
Speaker 3: storm and the boats were landing in the mud and
Speaker 3: the water just rushed back. They had dropped the anchor
Speaker 3: and all trying to before the water rushed back water
Speaker 3: water was still there. They had dropped the anchor that
Speaker 3: had two boats tied together, and when the water rushed
Speaker 3: back in, the boats separated, the ropes popped, he said,
Speaker 3: the planks were flying off the sides the mud. They
Speaker 3: found mud in the engine room that flew it in
Speaker 3: through the little cracks in the windows and all.
Speaker 1: It was pretty bad.
Speaker 3: But they didn't have no you know, phones to see
Speaker 3: the weather coming and whatnot. They just knew they was
Speaker 3: in a storm. They was coming from across the river
Speaker 3: from transporting oysters. And they said when they got to
Speaker 3: a strict of locks, they used to open the locks
Speaker 3: with some mules them. Yeah, the mules used to walk
Speaker 3: in the circuit and the turn the shaft to turn
Speaker 3: the shaft to open up the locks. And when he
Speaker 3: got there, the mules were going, so they they had
Speaker 3: to jump on land and manually turned the locks to
Speaker 3: open them up to lock themselves through to get to
Speaker 3: get back home. And by that time there was actually
Speaker 3: a year resistance sixty five, the year was born, Yeah,
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty five Hurricane beds okay, but it was before
Speaker 3: that they wiped out everything. And where the so of
Speaker 3: my relatives where their house landed up in Golden Metal
Speaker 3: in Baye Lafouche. The house landed there and they broke
Speaker 3: it down in the bayo and rebuilt it on the land.
Speaker 3: So we landed in golden Metal. Yeah, because that's where
Speaker 3: your house landed.
Speaker 1: That's that's how you want to say it.
Speaker 3: That's it, not us. There was a relative of it,
Speaker 3: but my family and all I guess, you know, my
Speaker 3: grandfather had other brothers that lived in that area also,
Speaker 3: you know, so that they went up to Golden Metal.
Speaker 3: But I still have the property in Shinier where they
Speaker 3: used to live. What's there now but nothing that we
Speaker 3: had a camp there, but it got wiped out for
Speaker 3: I think called Katrina. Yeah, yeah, wiped out everything.
Speaker 1: What's a shineer chief like? It's like the opposite of
Speaker 1: a by you right at land.
Speaker 3: Bridge ser I'm not quite sure the Oakridge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Briandie fixed your mic. Man, if you think that's
Speaker 1: two fingers off, five fingers off off your beard and
Speaker 1: not too off your mustache?
Speaker 8: Now higher higher up right, Yeah, okay, I didn't get
Speaker 8: the momo.
Speaker 1: Greg's two two fingers off, three fingers off his teeth.
Speaker 1: It feels gonna be mad at you, guys. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: So uh so that's pretty much the arch They were
Speaker 3: fishing archsters behind back then they jump in the water,
Speaker 3: the corn orsters. They would take the ysters out the
Speaker 3: mud and put them in the big bolt and just
Speaker 3: hand hand picking. And they used to they used to
Speaker 3: have a they call it a trouma, a tromai. It's
Speaker 3: a triple net besides orstring. So when the shrimp and
Speaker 3: season would come around, they go put out a troma.
Speaker 3: It might be two three, four hundred feet long, and
Speaker 3: it was a small mesh to catch the shrimp, a
Speaker 3: larger mesh which would have been about a three inch
Speaker 3: mesh to catch like your trout. And then they had
Speaker 3: another mesh that would catch like the bull drum, bull
Speaker 3: reds and everything. I actually still have some of the
Speaker 3: corks that were made out of three out at once.
Speaker 3: It's all one net made all together, and they would
Speaker 3: just have the smaller mash and catch all the shit
Speaker 3: they catch every well, the biggest stuff would get away.
Speaker 3: That's where the four inch mesh the big fish would
Speaker 3: get caught in it. You need to manually pull them out,
Speaker 3: almost like a gill net.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a gill net. So it's it's sort of sorting
Speaker 1: what it catches, correct, I gotcha? Oh, so that catches
Speaker 1: like a gill net. I got YOUA And what do
Speaker 1: they call that word?
Speaker 3: May?
Speaker 1: Like three meshes in three meshes in frenches may. So
Speaker 1: these were oyster men. They would make more other times
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 3: Fish that way, whatever whatever was in season, you know,
Speaker 3: and uh whatever they would have. Whatever they would catch,
Speaker 3: they would load up in some skiffs, which was a
Speaker 3: boat without a deck, and they'd run them up the
Speaker 3: Barantaria Waterway and go sell them. That was how they
Speaker 3: get rid of them. They'd go sell them a Barataria
Speaker 3: Waterway to and somebody would pick them up, bring it
Speaker 3: to them new walls or whatever, probably probably little feet.
Speaker 3: And they had he had pins built to keep turtles.
Speaker 3: They had a pond that they would block off with boards.
Speaker 3: They would take the red fish and drum fish and
Speaker 3: throw them in that pond. And when they was ready
Speaker 3: to go to market, they go round up everything. They
Speaker 3: had drums in the in the ground where the turtles
Speaker 3: would walk up to lay their eggs and fall in
Speaker 3: the little drum about a foot and half deep, and
Speaker 3: they go pick up the turtles and they had those
Speaker 3: in a pan. Also, fresh water turtles are salt salt uh,
Speaker 3: diamondback turtle, little diamondback.
Speaker 1: Diamond packed terrapins. Yeah, tell me about the trap again.
Speaker 3: It was like a like a barrel, just cut maybe
Speaker 3: a two foot barrel to place it in the ground
Speaker 3: level with the soil where the turtles would just walk
Speaker 3: go up and fall in them because the turtles will
Speaker 3: climb ashore to go let their eggs or whatnot. Oh,
Speaker 3: they think they were coming ashore, then you they was
Speaker 3: coming to short That's what he said. These traps, you know,
Speaker 3: to catch the turtles. Man, I'm totally not following.
Speaker 2: They come up the shore to lay there is I
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 3: But one of the odds he's gonna come up the plank. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you just place them in different areas. But there was
Speaker 3: an abundance of turtles. So a wave of turtles. They
Speaker 3: had a good bit of turtles, not necessarily a wave.
Speaker 3: It was just in the area where you didn't have
Speaker 3: too many little sand banks in the marsh where they
Speaker 3: would go. So I guess I guess they knew where
Speaker 3: they was gonna go, where they was gonna go. Like
Speaker 3: if you're gonna go fishing, you know the fish is
Speaker 3: gonna be right here. I knew the turtles were gonna
Speaker 3: come to live here, you.
Speaker 1: Know how I was telling Jack over there about how
Speaker 1: if someone asked me to read a book and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna read it.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna read no book. I'm just and I'll
Speaker 3: say I'm not going to read it.
Speaker 1: Here's another thing I'm trying to work on in life,
Speaker 1: like a self improvement thing, is when someone's explaining something
Speaker 1: to me right and I don't understand it, I find
Speaker 1: that most people, most people will act not along right.
Speaker 1: I have tried in my adult life to become the
Speaker 1: kind of person that says, I just don't understand. That's
Speaker 1: as bad as it might make me look, instead of
Speaker 1: acting like I understand, I'll tell them I don't understand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I get what you're saying, but I don't.
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. So I'm trying
Speaker 3: to explain it the best way I can to figure
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: Uh, you can if you just want to mess around
Speaker 1: and catch painted turtles map turtles I'm talking about. I
Speaker 1: guess yankee turtles up where they like to come out
Speaker 1: and sun themselves. Okay, So you could make a floating
Speaker 1: pen with meshing it and put a sunning ramp like
Speaker 1: a plank that comes up over it, and they all
Speaker 1: stack up on their the sun themselves, and all you
Speaker 1: got to do is spook them, because they don't back
Speaker 1: down off the plank when you spook them, they just
Speaker 1: dive in. So they walk up the plank to sun themselves,
Speaker 1: and then you just come by and spook them all
Speaker 1: and they fall in the cage and they fall in
Speaker 1: the pent I get that, but I don't get but
Speaker 1: we don't even spend too much time.
Speaker 3: No, that's good man.
Speaker 1: We all right, you understand it.
Speaker 6: Greg, have a good idea.
Speaker 2: I think you really, No, you got to think the
Speaker 2: amount of time these guys spent on the coastline. They
Speaker 2: probably had a pretty good idea. Where the sea.
Speaker 8: Turtles not sea turtles diving so like like he was saying,
Speaker 8: it's in the marsh, it's mostly mud, and they would
Speaker 8: find like a sandy bank on the marsh, which is
Speaker 8: a rarity.
Speaker 3: So a lot of the turtles would congregate there knowing
Speaker 3: they're going.
Speaker 1: To come up with places.
Speaker 8: I've seen tarrapins tend to be sandy or parts of
Speaker 8: the marsh.
Speaker 3: Didn't I show you one of the barrels we was
Speaker 3: going to fish back there or something long time ago?
Speaker 3: They still had the barrel there. I've seen one. I
Speaker 3: don't know there's been years now, but I've seen them
Speaker 3: still there. Uh.
Speaker 1: When you grew up, you were raised by people who
Speaker 1: hand picked oysters.
Speaker 3: I still didn't grow up yet.
Speaker 1: How did that talk about how you called oysters when
Speaker 1: you were doing oysters straight to the dredge? Oh but yeah,
Speaker 1: what was that transition like from from guys going in
Speaker 1: and hand selecting, Well, we more mass harvest.
Speaker 3: Well that was before my time. So when when I
Speaker 3: started working, we was pulling in the dredge, the chain
Speaker 3: and the dredge pulling it up and landing on the deck.
Speaker 1: Yep. But how is that, like are the oysters so
Speaker 1: thick on the beds that you're just scraping the top
Speaker 1: of the bed off.
Speaker 3: Well, you saw when we when we was loading the oysters. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well we will go pick that up. It might take
Speaker 3: us a day, two days to finally load up. When
Speaker 3: we load them up and we haul them here to
Speaker 3: transplant them, we have our bed marked off and it's
Speaker 3: solid like a like a parking lot. It's real. So
Speaker 3: we just we're going to pile them up. We could
Speaker 3: pile them up maybe a six inches thick.
Speaker 1: Back up and explain this process. Okay, so that you're
Speaker 1: moving oysters, explain.
Speaker 3: Well, you got the state reefs and you got your
Speaker 3: private leafs. Okay, so your private leases you can have
Speaker 3: them cleaned up where there's nothing there, and so you
Speaker 3: want to restock it. Okay, so you're going to go
Speaker 3: to the state grounds and sometimes when it opens up, Yes,
Speaker 3: it's full. You could keep pulling them in as fast
Speaker 3: as you can.
Speaker 1: And it's regulated. The state grounds is the regulating spot. Correct,
Speaker 1: And it's full of juvenile oysters?
Speaker 6: Correct?
Speaker 1: And how do you pick those out?
Speaker 3: And it could be from a juvenile to or market
Speaker 3: ready oyster. Okay, we just load everything up and we
Speaker 3: bring them and what is what is that? What permit
Speaker 3: do you need for that? Oh? You just need to
Speaker 3: have a right now, you need to have a seed permit.
Speaker 3: But seed they called a seed seed permit, but back
Speaker 3: then you didn't have to have one.
Speaker 1: Okay, And you're you're hand grabbing these no no, no,
Speaker 1: with the dredge, so you're dredging off the state round. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Since I've been in the arster business, I've never had
Speaker 3: to hand picked. That's when the my great grandfather and
Speaker 3: my grandfather, they were handpicking. Now we moved up to
Speaker 3: the larger boats, and now we're going to state grounds
Speaker 3: and picking up the seed oyster and bringing them to
Speaker 3: our private grounds and washing them over. So we might
Speaker 3: do that for two months and just fill up a
Speaker 3: few acres of grounds. But why move them to refish
Speaker 3: them later? Yeah, but they maybe they're not market size yet,
Speaker 3: But what do you Why not just leave them where
Speaker 3: they are until they're because they're like nine hours away,
Speaker 3: So we bringing them home where we can go out
Speaker 3: in a fifteen twenty minute boat ride and fish make
Speaker 3: our day and then we could resealm. We might fish
Speaker 3: up shit, eight hundred sacks of oysters in a day
Speaker 3: and a half.
Speaker 1: Just to load up the boat. How much does the sack.
Speaker 3: Back? Then? Shit, I got paid as little as eight dollars.
Speaker 1: How many pounds?
Speaker 3: One hundred, one hundred pounds or less? You know?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you you have a place, You have a
Speaker 1: private place. He's a private property that is suitable for oysters.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 1: You go to a remote area far away and you
Speaker 1: dredge up juvenile. You just dredge up oysters, and then
Speaker 1: you're allowed to take those to your spot and distribute
Speaker 1: them correct and then give them how much.
Speaker 3: Time depending on the size within from like September to April.
Speaker 3: Some of them will grow an inch and a half
Speaker 3: with the salinity change. You might be taking an oyster
Speaker 3: from a brackish water and putting them in a heavy
Speaker 3: salinity area. Uh huh. And you got to fish them
Speaker 3: before the summer toimp because the salinity, like we spoke yesterday,
Speaker 3: may come in heavy and kill them. So we bringing
Speaker 3: them to this area to for them to grow fast
Speaker 3: and have a great tasting yster. Or we were known
Speaker 3: if I would taste the oyster, because you could take
Speaker 3: an orchester and move it a couple of miles away,
Speaker 3: and if it has a different water source, it'll taste
Speaker 3: different than that chester right there.
Speaker 1: Got it, And we had a great area for a
Speaker 1: good taste and archster. That's the thing that I never
Speaker 1: understood about oysters. Is it oysters blue muscles? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: they're like these like circumpolar species. It's the same thing, correct,
Speaker 1: So when you see oysters like this name, that name,
Speaker 1: it's just different waters. Yeah, it's not like a different
Speaker 1: kind of oysters, the same oyster.
Speaker 3: I could take an East Cools yster and bring it
Speaker 3: right here to Grand Island and leave it for a month,
Speaker 3: not even that long. You know what, It's gonna taste
Speaker 3: like a Grand Island arster. It's not an East cools uster. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so we would take these oysters, especially the closer you
Speaker 3: could get to the fresh water line that orchters are thriving.
Speaker 3: You take those ysters and put in a heavy solemnity area. Yep, man,
Speaker 3: they're just gonna explode and gruel and be happy. Man.
Speaker 1: But they're vulnerable to death. Oh yeah, But we.
Speaker 3: Usually know all the timing that we're going to fish
Speaker 3: them out before to get to that point.
Speaker 1: And then when you go back. So you bring these
Speaker 1: seed oysters in and you plan them and then you
Speaker 1: harvest them with a dredge, right, and you're bringing them
Speaker 1: up Like Ronnie. When we were in your boat last night,
Speaker 1: Ronnie was talking about being a little kid and being
Speaker 1: in the wheelhouse of that boat and we're looking out
Speaker 1: on the deck where you were pulling shrimp nets what
Speaker 1: do you call those skimmers?
Speaker 8: Skims?
Speaker 1: And he would talk about looking out that window and
Speaker 1: not being able to he'd go just fall asleep and
Speaker 1: wake up and couldn't see you, and he'd have to
Speaker 1: try to climb over that mountain oysters to come down
Speaker 1: and find where you were at out on the deck
Speaker 1: of that boat.
Speaker 8: Because he'd be driving in that front. They had that
Speaker 8: front steering wheel, and that's where he'd run when he'd
Speaker 8: be running the dredges.
Speaker 1: And you just wake up and there it was. I
Speaker 1: wake up and there was being polo issters. And then
Speaker 1: are you needing to are you then taking all the
Speaker 1: ones that are still too small and pitching them or
Speaker 1: by that point is everybody harvestable? Right now?
Speaker 3: We at the transplanting era, we're taking everything and then
Speaker 3: when we're gonna go back to refishing for sale, then
Speaker 3: we will grade them. Okay, the little ones, we could
Speaker 3: bring them to a different area to continue.
Speaker 1: They're growing. Oh, so you'll put them in another spot.
Speaker 3: Correct, it's forming, you know, you could form, you could
Speaker 3: kind of mark out with poles. You know what you
Speaker 3: have where?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 3: And then you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what's that? What's that industry like now? For
Speaker 1: this area?
Speaker 3: It's uh, the the orsters just don't really take all
Speaker 3: that great in the wild. But with Storm Ida, it
Speaker 3: turned everything around. It made the arster, the crabs, the
Speaker 3: shrimp more abundant. Now it's starting to play back out.
Speaker 3: How is that? Well, you see, an archster takes three
Speaker 3: years the harvests. So after the storm, the storm stirred
Speaker 3: everything up. But anything that is in an Orchester growing area,
Speaker 3: anything that would have been like a little shell or
Speaker 3: anything that an oorster would want to stick to that
Speaker 3: it stuck. So here we are three years later. There
Speaker 3: was abundance of oysters this year and great prices, but
Speaker 3: the prices are all going now down now because because
Speaker 3: the abundance of oysters.
Speaker 1: Oh I got you. So it slowed things down and
Speaker 1: then the price is shot up. Like immediately after.
Speaker 3: After the storm there was no oysters. So anybody had
Speaker 3: a sack of orster, you could get like seventy five
Speaker 3: bucks right when you're down back to the thirties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when it started to creep up, it was good.
Speaker 1: And then you hit saturation. It's too much oyster.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. Now shrimp also and crabs, Like people couldn't shrimp.
Speaker 3: The bullsom messed up. People couldn't go crabbing for a
Speaker 3: year or so, you know. So everything was able to
Speaker 3: to just flourish. And when the people started going back out,
Speaker 3: man they would catch and shrimp. They were catching crabs.
Speaker 3: The baby arsters were there, they just weren't markt saw
Speaker 3: market saw as yet got it. So now they're market saws.
Speaker 3: So now they're starting to flood the market with the oarsters,
Speaker 3: with the aftermatter idel with the seafood.
Speaker 1: Yep, can you can you explain a little bit that
Speaker 1: process you were telling me about that you would lease
Speaker 1: oyster ground.
Speaker 3: From the state. Yeah, oh it's from the stately state
Speaker 3: least correct, I got it? Yeah, but uh yeah, just
Speaker 3: like if you lease a piece of property anywhere, you
Speaker 3: know you can pay your lease every year, and you know,
Speaker 3: you just got to know what you have on your bottom,
Speaker 3: you know, how.
Speaker 7: Much would you lease like like, for instance, like there's
Speaker 7: an old saying like in the ranch world, like you
Speaker 7: have an acre of ground for every head of cat
Speaker 7: all you have?
Speaker 3: It was like three bucks an acre. You know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't that bad three bucks an acre a year.
Speaker 6: But how much could you like put like how many
Speaker 6: oysters could you put in like an acres?
Speaker 3: Oh you could have. I've seen myself work a month
Speaker 3: and a half, two months on an acre of a
Speaker 3: acre of ground that had an abundance of orish. But
Speaker 3: didn't you have hundreds of acres? Though I had a
Speaker 3: like eighteen hundred. My father and grandfather don't accumulated. Well,
Speaker 3: how the hell, you worked that much ache. Well not
Speaker 3: all of it was producing areas.
Speaker 1: Oh yess, so you got a lot of ground.
Speaker 3: A lot of ground was like mud or currants were bad,
Speaker 3: or too much fresh water.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: We also have these diversions that they're putting and there's
Speaker 3: they're pumping this fresh water into the marsh hoping to
Speaker 3: create create new ground. But uh so those areas were
Speaker 3: no more good reason being the fresh water and there
Speaker 3: was man made They could flush fresh water when they
Speaker 3: wanted to, but like the rainy seasons, the water would
Speaker 3: come up. They wasn't running the fresh water, so orsters
Speaker 3: would take again. But here we go next. It takes
Speaker 3: three years to make uh market orster. So here we
Speaker 3: are maybe two years down the line. Your oarsters are
Speaker 3: starting to grow but two inches. But they have a
Speaker 3: rainy season. They flushing the water to grow land and whatnot,
Speaker 3: and they all see, you know, they all die with
Speaker 3: the fresh water. Sounds too much selantic. We never really
Speaker 3: had too much problem.
Speaker 8: No, I'm talking like you get too big of a
Speaker 8: change straight from fresh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, too much fresh water would kill these oysters.
Speaker 1: So so that eventually made the business untenable.
Speaker 3: For some areas. Yeah, you just have to rely on
Speaker 3: a different area.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you eventually got where you were done with
Speaker 3: oysters pretty much. I went after Katrina went into the
Speaker 3: oil field business, you know, and uh did well there
Speaker 3: and uh ended up getting back out of it.
Speaker 6: And uh.
Speaker 3: My little brother had the orster leases and everything, and
Speaker 3: he had been working everything during the that era, but
Speaker 3: uh then he gave it all up too much problem
Speaker 3: with thieving and not enough oysters and this and that,
Speaker 3: not knowing that Ida would have replenished the leases.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I got it. Yeah, how much like
Speaker 1: you've been at this so long vision oysteram correct shrimp
Speaker 1: and and all that, and you you broke the chain. Sorry, Ronnie,
Speaker 1: but you broke the chain.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: What like in your guys recollection of growing up, of
Speaker 1: spending time here in the deep family history down here,
Speaker 1: how would you begin to express the cultural change that
Speaker 1: happened with oil?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad he didn't get into the orster business,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, right, Yeah, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's a good culture, but it's just not it's just
Speaker 3: not there anymore, you know, I don't he wouldn't have
Speaker 3: really made it because just with mud and nature. Just
Speaker 3: the orsters were not producing and you just wasn't having
Speaker 3: a reproduct, real good reproduction anymore.
Speaker 2: Are those leases something you can sit on, so you
Speaker 2: don't you know, you can just maintain the lease, not harvest.
Speaker 3: Wait for as long as you pay your lease. As
Speaker 3: long as you pay it, that's all they were about it.
Speaker 1: They don't care if you're fishing it or not.
Speaker 3: That's right, okay, because they can't tell you, oh, you
Speaker 3: got to fish this area. Well there's mud, there's no oysters.
Speaker 3: What you want to do with it. But sometimes you
Speaker 3: maintain areas to keep the other people. You want to
Speaker 3: put borders on yourself. But we had a lot of
Speaker 3: problems with uh, with thieving going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the thing I wanted to I wanted
Speaker 1: you guys to explain it's oyster poaching.
Speaker 3: Well, if if like when we seeding and we piling
Speaker 3: these oysters up, so you're going through all the work,
Speaker 3: a little boat could come there and in fifteen minut
Speaker 3: just hurry up and make a few dredges and load
Speaker 3: their boat up and go somewhere else and cultivate and
Speaker 3: call them you.
Speaker 8: Know, and they're lean them up and they're doing it
Speaker 8: at night A lot. These little boats are coming at night.
Speaker 3: You was doing it?
Speaker 1: What kind of dudes are doing it?
Speaker 8: Boats in these little small Carolina skiffs were just kind
Speaker 8: of sliding.
Speaker 3: People that really don't have anything to lose.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: But these guys will actually come like you have a
Speaker 1: least area and it's worth someone's effort to come into
Speaker 1: your least area.
Speaker 3: And harvest. Yeah, in fifteen minutes, if they make a
Speaker 3: couple of dredges and they make let's say ten sacks,
Speaker 3: So ten sacks when the price is really hard. It
Speaker 3: was getting anywhere from fifty to seventy bucks. They make
Speaker 3: their night in I gotcha in fifteen men.
Speaker 1: So they're just doing like like real quick, hitting small
Speaker 1: chunks of small chunks of income, but like high high
Speaker 1: money per hour of effort.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ten sacks at fifty all at fifty at all,
Speaker 3: that's five hundred bucks, I see.
Speaker 8: Yeah, when you already had all the overhead to go
Speaker 8: out there and get them and bring them.
Speaker 1: And so it's more it's like a quick money thing. Quick.
Speaker 3: It's not a three year play. And who they worried about?
Speaker 1: No body? I got it, you know what?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, if they get caught, sometimes they just
Speaker 3: get a slap on the wrist.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: When you you were saying that you uh, when you
Speaker 1: when you sold your leases, like leases can move from
Speaker 1: one individual to another. Correct, And you were saying you
Speaker 1: kind of wish you would held on to like a
Speaker 1: little bit, or tried to hold onto a little bit. Correct,
Speaker 1: because now you you you want back in the game. Uh,
Speaker 1: not really, oh, but you just kind of I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, I really, you know. I mean I've a
Speaker 1: subleased some leases. Now you know, when I'm able to
Speaker 1: get back out there, you know, oh, I got you
Speaker 1: okay subleases. So and once I get out there, you know,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed for a little while and it's like I'm ready.
Speaker 3: To go back home.
Speaker 1: Is it more work than catch a shrimp?
Speaker 3: Uh? In some ways, yes, it's more physical.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And every archster just like the shrimps. You know, sometimes
Speaker 3: you gotta pick all your big shrimp out, you know
Speaker 3: where every archster has to pass through your hand and
Speaker 3: you're gonna grade it. You know, you gotta all those
Speaker 3: mountains oysters, Well, those don't have to pass through your
Speaker 3: hand until you refish them.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 3: When you're gonna go refishing, you put it on your
Speaker 3: table and then you.
Speaker 1: Gotta sort them all, shorting them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes they have a dead one on a live one.
Speaker 3: You gotta knock the dead one off. You gotta clean
Speaker 3: it up and put it in your pow. Then you
Speaker 3: gotta sack them up. So then you gotta stack them.
Speaker 3: Then you gotta load them on the conveyor. Then you
Speaker 3: gotta put them in the truck. Then you gotta take
Speaker 3: them out of the truck. You handle these arsters eight
Speaker 3: ten times, you know. So it's it's a lot of
Speaker 3: physical work. I mean, and how are you who are
Speaker 3: you selling Most of those oysters to a lot of
Speaker 3: these places are out of business now, but uh, it
Speaker 3: was just some uh little shops that were we would
Speaker 3: sell to and they would buy the orses, they would
Speaker 3: shock them, they would pack them, and then they would
Speaker 3: distribute with wholesale. Also, we had a retail business that
Speaker 3: was out of this world.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: We would just bring him in front of the house
Speaker 3: and sell them off off the side of the road.
Speaker 3: That was that sign you had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oysters, get you some get you some watch, and
Speaker 1: you'd sell them shocked your whole We.
Speaker 3: Had a little shop that we would do some shucking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we'd sell them by a sack.
Speaker 1: Ronni, did you get tangled up in that business when
Speaker 1: you were young for a little.
Speaker 8: While in high school? After school, I'd go chuck a
Speaker 8: few sacks, you would.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gotten that special shucker with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Man, he made that, he made that bund yeah.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: Then you when was the first time he started shrimping
Speaker 1: for money, like commercial shrimping. Oh, about three years ago. Okay,
Speaker 1: And you rigged out your oyster boat, correct. Ronnie was
Speaker 1: explaining to me how that boat would be a little
Speaker 1: bit different if it was fitted specifically for shrimp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't have had those tables and everything and
Speaker 3: that big wench and stuff, you know. But like right now,
Speaker 3: I could just move my cables and my nets out
Speaker 3: the way, and I could throw my dredge off the
Speaker 3: side and continue working oysters.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, And then when you go out like that
Speaker 1: for shrimp, how long do you normally go out for it?
Speaker 3: Maybe two nights, three nights of the max, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you sleep on the boat in the daytime, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: because it's a nock turn it's a it's a nocturnal.
Speaker 3: Well, sometimes you're catching the daytime, you know, so I
Speaker 3: mean sometimes you'll you gotta work with the shrimp. You know,
Speaker 3: if it's given, then you fish. If it's not given,
Speaker 3: once you see it slacks off, you might as well
Speaker 3: slack off and go get you some rest. So then
Speaker 3: you guys just anchor up wherever you're at, drop it.
Speaker 3: You want to try and find some some little piece
Speaker 3: of island to get behind, just in case, you know,
Speaker 3: while you're sleeping you get a storm, because sometimes summer
Speaker 3: storms will have fifty sixty mile our winds and come
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, yes, indeed, And then you cook up whatever,
Speaker 3: cook up someone to catch from the night.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: I'll get up and felay some fish and peel a
Speaker 3: few shrimp and put some rice and beans on, and
Speaker 3: got a meal meal like eat like a king's huh.
Speaker 1: And then you like, then you guys go to bed
Speaker 1: and get rolling again. Oh yeah, well yeah, and what's
Speaker 1: the like layout for me? What the shrimp How the
Speaker 1: shrimp market makes it good? You know, gets good times,
Speaker 1: bad times, good times, bad times.
Speaker 3: Well I really don't know it all that good, but
Speaker 3: I mean it's.
Speaker 1: I was reading we were all reading about this morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was reading about what you were telling me about,
Speaker 1: right right, So like the tariffs that went in when
Speaker 1: Trump came in, well and it was your senator that
Speaker 1: was I was reading about how your.
Speaker 3: Senator you might know more about it than me.
Speaker 1: Now, well talking about it too, Senator Kennedy. Senator came
Speaker 1: who Ronnie was playing me a clip Senator Kennedy, who
Speaker 1: was talking about the defund the police movement. He said,
Speaker 1: next time you get in trouble, call cracket.
Speaker 8: If you don't like cops just because they're cops, next
Speaker 8: time you're in trouble.
Speaker 1: But when Trump he was saying that when or he's
Speaker 1: you know, reading about it. Is when Trump started to
Speaker 1: do tariffs on China, a senator from Louisiana came in
Speaker 1: and said, please add crawfish and shrimp, oh yeah, to
Speaker 1: the list, making the claim that a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: was come from aquaculture facilities in China where they were
Speaker 1: using antibiotics, antibiotics and shrimp some questionable practices injecting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that inject it's pretty scary.
Speaker 1: Injecting the silicon and then and then not having the
Speaker 1: US not having proper regulation on what's coming in mislabeled seafood.
Speaker 1: Seafood coming in mislabeled origin companies that was sort of
Speaker 1: masquerade as regional companies with names that would be deceptive.
Speaker 1: They were actually imported seafood, killing the killing the industry here.
Speaker 1: And so your senator saying, man, I'd like to do
Speaker 1: more protective tariffs to protect the local the American people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I was surprised to see in the same
Speaker 1: little bit of casual reading we did this morning that
Speaker 1: Louisiana is actually a major consumer of imported crawfish. Wow,
Speaker 1: because people probably just see crawfish.
Speaker 2: I think if you see the name, you just assume, yeah,
Speaker 2: fish seafood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in Louisiana's crawfish. Who the hell was suspected?
Speaker 3: Its overseas and a lot of people I guess they
Speaker 3: go after the cheap the cheap price. Yep, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. But it don't help the American people,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Oh, I would never think coming here that if I
Speaker 2: was buying something in the store, I was buying something
Speaker 2: from overseas, but just went I would just think I
Speaker 2: was buying local naturally, right.
Speaker 1: You don't think about it. Yeah, so what what kind
Speaker 1: of price fluctuations you see? You told me something last
Speaker 1: night about a price from forty years ago. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: forty years ago, not even adjusted for inflation. But forty
Speaker 1: years ago you were getting more.
Speaker 3: Than we are today for the same sage shrimp. It
Speaker 3: was a sixty seventy shrimp. Right now we're getting like
Speaker 3: thirty five cents. Forty cents. Forty years ago, we were
Speaker 3: getting sixty five cents for that same sage shrimp. But
Speaker 3: that's what's crazy is you're talking about wild caught, wild caught,
Speaker 3: real good tasting shrimp, and and.
Speaker 1: People not out of any kind of maliciousness. It's just
Speaker 1: like people not understanding. No, people chasing like a little
Speaker 1: bit of savings, restaurants chasing a little bit of savings
Speaker 1: and buying.
Speaker 3: Some farm raised bullshit from overseas. Yeah. Man, it's like
Speaker 3: I think they blindfold of people. I mean, they just
Speaker 3: the people don't maybe the people that just don't hear
Speaker 3: and know any better or whatnot. I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to say what what's the problem there,
Speaker 3: because I've been in the supermarkets where the prices were
Speaker 3: really high and it's not going to you, no, no, man,
Speaker 3: no way, How can you give the fishermen a dollar?
Speaker 3: And you go see you go see the same shrimp
Speaker 3: in the market somewhere for maybe fourteen to fifteen dollars
Speaker 3: and it looks rotten. Yeah, they charge you that much
Speaker 3: to ring. You know how much it cost it's aged.
Speaker 3: You don't know how much it.
Speaker 1: Costs to make that not so fresh. You can bring
Speaker 1: you can bring.
Speaker 8: Fresh shrimp to some areas like like further north that
Speaker 8: that are far away and bringing fresh shrimp and they'll
Speaker 8: be like, oh, that's that's good. It's wrong when it
Speaker 8: was wrong. When it's like this is fresh, it's wrong.
Speaker 8: It's rotten, like it's efficient. And on the display at
Speaker 8: the store is like you could see like the heads
Speaker 8: all black and starting to turn orange. It's it's rotten,
Speaker 8: and they lose their The thing I found I'm just
Speaker 8: a casual. I told you that's now I'm a big
Speaker 8: time shrimper. I'm actually not very bad. I deal with
Speaker 8: very small quantities of shrimp that we catch. But the
Speaker 8: thing I found man is like a questionable shrimp. His
Speaker 8: head is much more willing to detach from his body.
Speaker 8: You ever notice that like a new one.
Speaker 1: His head's on there pretty good, and you let him
Speaker 1: sit around, his head gets to be where it's just
Speaker 1: isn't He doesn't have a lot of fidelity to his body.
Speaker 1: After a while, spots the fall away.
Speaker 2: Well, we were even doing spot prins last week and
Speaker 2: you could tell day one the way they looked. And
Speaker 2: then we were cooking up like our last meal for dinner.
Speaker 2: Just the look of them look different, different shade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and their eyes, eyes are glowing when they're alive.
Speaker 1: That goes away. You know the thing I found. Maybe
Speaker 1: you guys can explain to it. Thing I found about
Speaker 1: shrimp is it? Uh, if you pull him up from
Speaker 1: deep water. So when we catch shrimp, we'll fishing three
Speaker 1: hundred feet of water with pots. Okay, the shrimp pots
Speaker 1: baited with fish heads. You don't think I've seen it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you pull him up and just any kind of
Speaker 1: minimal handling, you cannot put that thing back in the water.
Speaker 3: Because you're bringing us from such a depth.
Speaker 1: Well, no, because like if you're pulling it up in
Speaker 1: a shrimp squirts out at the surface. Yeah, you'll see
Speaker 1: him kick down and I don't know if he's fine
Speaker 1: or not, but he kicks down. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he survives or not. But if you take that sucker
Speaker 1: up on a boat.
Speaker 2: I mean and you dump them in a bucket, there
Speaker 2: they're done.
Speaker 1: You put them in a bucket and wait a minute,
Speaker 1: and you put them back in the water. He is
Speaker 1: deader like something that a fish would not phase the fish.
Speaker 1: It seems they're just a sensitive correct, you know, sensitive creature.
Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, here too, I mean you could they could
Speaker 3: take so much. And then you know, especially these white shrimp,
Speaker 3: even though they're big, they're really not all that a
Speaker 3: durable you know, a brown ship shrimp they could have
Speaker 3: survived a little drop of water. You know, they'll suck
Speaker 3: in that little drop of water and still living. But
Speaker 3: a white shrimp, man, it's just like I'm done.
Speaker 1: Yep. Is there a big price difference between what you
Speaker 1: get for white shrimp and brown shrimp?
Speaker 3: Well, the big difference there is the size is the
Speaker 3: brown shrimp will not get big like a white shrimp.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then when we were coming, I wish I knew
Speaker 1: better where we were Chili. When you and me were
Speaker 1: driving in, we got a little side tracks. We're trying
Speaker 1: to find that pole boy place.
Speaker 3: Order.
Speaker 6: It was. The town started with an R. We were
Speaker 6: in Racelan and that's where we got her.
Speaker 1: First I got I thought, I hit the pole Boy Place,
Speaker 1: and we want to buy a hospital. Then we thought
Speaker 1: the poor Boy Place is in the hospital, and then
Speaker 1: we eventually realized that somehow just clicked down the hospital.
Speaker 6: And then to keep driving around the hospital.
Speaker 1: Being like, I understand how there's a pole Boy place
Speaker 1: in here to the cafeteria, I honestly wouldn't be surprised. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like this right next to stand, just like the
Speaker 1: ambulances and stuff. Yeah, see the pool we walk in.
Speaker 6: She's like he is here for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I don't know how to explain it, Chili,
Speaker 1: but I somehow clicked down the hospital, not the poor
Speaker 1: Boy place, But we want about the pole Boy place where.
Speaker 1: I think this should have been our first sign that
Speaker 1: the shrimp industry was in trouble because this guy lays
Speaker 1: out mine, He lays out my bun. This is a
Speaker 1: phenomenal poll boy. First I got a little nervous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was very nervous about that. I come in and
Speaker 1: I come in and there's a woman in front of me,
Speaker 1: and she has a burger at the pole Boy place,
Speaker 1: only whatever gets a burger, and that burger is.
Speaker 3: A bun.
Speaker 1: And a patty nothing, And I was like shit, and
Speaker 1: we'd already ordered, and I'm kind of panicking, like I
Speaker 1: don't want my pole Boy without shredded lettuce and tomato.
Speaker 6: And he was very distraught about it the place.
Speaker 1: But then we see in the background, we catch a
Speaker 1: guy come through with a bunloaded with lettuce and that
Speaker 1: breathed easy. Yeah. He takes fresh catfish, very fresh. We
Speaker 1: saw him go. He went in the back room. It
Speaker 1: looked like he flayed the damn fish. Yeah, comes back
Speaker 1: a while later, holds the flave, treating his fingers.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, they didn't freeze that.
Speaker 3: No, no joke.
Speaker 1: He goes in the room while later walks out with
Speaker 1: a catfish flake like this, very impressed into that fire.
Speaker 3: And then I made a bad call.
Speaker 1: I then he like very quickly lifted the basket and
Speaker 1: I'm like, Jill, you're gonna get some raw ass. I
Speaker 1: was watching the wrong basket. He'll take anyway, The point
Speaker 1: being I knew the shrimp business was in trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he lays my bun out and he was packing shrimp
Speaker 1: into that bun, like when you're trying when you got
Speaker 1: too much stuff in your duffel bag and you're trying
Speaker 1: to get one more little bit of clothes in there
Speaker 1: before you zip the shot. He was packing shrimp into
Speaker 1: my bun with the palms of his hands pressing them
Speaker 1: into it. They wouldn't even hold all the shrimp. When
Speaker 1: I opened the wrapp rub, it was just shrimp. Yeah.
Speaker 6: He spent like ten minutes just eating shrimp.
Speaker 1: I know, And I thought I must have had one
Speaker 1: hundred bucks worth of shrimp in my sandwich, because like
Speaker 1: what you because grocery store prices right. But then we
Speaker 1: left there and we're driving along, I guess the upper side,
Speaker 1: what the hell it feels by you?
Speaker 3: The foochs? Was that by the foosh?
Speaker 8: So that same value you were driving along, the same
Speaker 8: value that pumps out here that we the past.
Speaker 1: We went out to go diving, shrimp boat after shrimp
Speaker 1: boat after shrimp boat after shrimp boat with signs out
Speaker 1: front selling shrimp three fifty pound four whatever the hell.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's three fifty to go and rate.
Speaker 1: And that's like, this is all shrimp is just selling,
Speaker 1: selling to what you'd get, but selling it at a
Speaker 1: quarter of the price you'd pay in a store when
Speaker 1: you can't even get something that quality because these are
Speaker 1: brand new, fresh caught shrimp r And is it so
Speaker 1: that is that a function of what we're seeing. That's
Speaker 1: a function of that the commercial market is just not present,
Speaker 1: and you're fishing for locals.
Speaker 8: But what's what's the price sholl getting for like the
Speaker 8: twenty sixteen twenties and the ten.
Speaker 3: To fifteen for a dollar five and a sixteen to
Speaker 3: twenty which would be the next size small?
Speaker 1: Explain those terms that might fuse people.
Speaker 3: Well, sixteen twenty, ten to fifteen to the pound, ten
Speaker 3: to fifteen shrimp to the pound? Is that tails or heads?
Speaker 1: And tail?
Speaker 3: Heads and tail?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: So sixteen twenty ors sixteen twenty? I mean if you count,
Speaker 3: if you take usually count them by threes. You take
Speaker 3: three pounds and you dump them on your table, and
Speaker 3: you come at threes yep, as one. Well, if you
Speaker 3: count eighteen, what's a sixteen to twenty? If you count
Speaker 3: nineteen sixteen twenty, God, it's just a way to caliact
Speaker 3: insteatic doing just one pound? Look one pound and I
Speaker 3: count fifteen shrimp? No, you do three pounds. That way,
Speaker 3: it's more to.
Speaker 1: Get a better average correct understood, And those little ones
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like as a consumer, you might
Speaker 1: wreck popcorn shrimp correct, Yeah, yeah, you know if you
Speaker 1: guys use that term now, Like yeah, the first the
Speaker 1: first small shrimp we had was running like a sixty
Speaker 1: seventy to the pound.
Speaker 3: At sixty to seventy shrimp.
Speaker 1: To that small those cents bitches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not the last ones we caught. They had a
Speaker 3: lot more smaller ones that might have been eighty to
Speaker 3: one hundred to the pound.
Speaker 1: And those are worth if you take them, not if
Speaker 1: you go find a buyer for it, but you go
Speaker 1: to the shed. Yeah, like the shed, that's the commercial buyer,
Speaker 1: the shrimp shed. So you take it to enter it
Speaker 1: into the commercial market where it could get wherever distributed around.
Speaker 3: They're gonna pay you what for those little shrimp maybe
Speaker 3: thirty cents a pound a pound, yeah, not the sixty
Speaker 3: seventies right now, they might be around forty to forty five.
Speaker 3: And again, like I said, forty years ago, there was
Speaker 3: sixty five.
Speaker 8: Now that same shrimp. If you keep that same shrimp
Speaker 8: alive and sell it to the bait market, you get
Speaker 8: thirty cents apiece.
Speaker 1: For one nice shrimp for one when those little shrimp,
Speaker 1: but you got to keep it on the lost. Do
Speaker 1: you ever say, do you ever work in that trade?
Speaker 3: Though I've been, Uh, I came very close to it
Speaker 3: because you.
Speaker 1: Got got all the air raiders and everything, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, not only that, you know, it's just
Speaker 3: a different market. You're not really if you load up
Speaker 3: with shrimp, well you just got live shrimp. You gotta
Speaker 3: go in with with just uh maybe a couple of
Speaker 3: thousand up to maybe six thousand shrimp where you know,
Speaker 3: you got to have a lot of live wells going
Speaker 3: on to keep these shrimp from dying.
Speaker 7: Wouldn't it Wouldn't that be extremely difficult though, because I
Speaker 7: think I don't know if it's you or you explaining
Speaker 7: yesterday that like when you catch shrimp in your net
Speaker 7: off your.
Speaker 8: Boat, a lot of them died.
Speaker 6: A lot of them died because they end up drowning
Speaker 6: it with when they're in the net.
Speaker 8: Talking about that you make so when you do live
Speaker 8: bait tarling, you tryal for very sharp drags. You don't
Speaker 8: make a long drag like we were doing to an
Speaker 8: hour drag because you're gonna kill a lot.
Speaker 1: Of your catch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, once you pick up, you pick up, you dump
Speaker 3: your bag, you throw in, you deal with that. Then
Speaker 3: you heard me pick up again. You just continually pulling
Speaker 3: them in. You don't drag them in the net long
Speaker 3: at all. You're always dealing with whatever you're catching at
Speaker 3: the time. Just keep dealing with.
Speaker 4: And that's why you for saying he likes to do
Speaker 4: short pulls too, to keep him fresher longer. You know,
Speaker 4: look for you coast them, right, they look better because
Speaker 4: they're not being dragged in the water for that long
Speaker 4: after they're dead.
Speaker 1: Right when you uh the porpoises, they'll tear that mesh
Speaker 1: getting at they want to get at the shrimp fish,
Speaker 1: or they want to get the fish.
Speaker 3: The fish that are trying to escape or getting stuck
Speaker 3: in the sod of your net. Sometimes you have a
Speaker 3: maybe a full five inch fish that will get stuck
Speaker 3: in the and they want to pull it out of
Speaker 3: your net. When they grabbing onto your net and they're
Speaker 3: gonna pull and tear your.
Speaker 1: Net, dude, you get what you wind up with quite
Speaker 1: the caravan man, you know, like you go on the
Speaker 1: back of this boat. Dude, it's like he's we started
Speaker 1: before it got We started before it got dark out.
Speaker 1: And you go on the back of that boat and
Speaker 1: it's like, first off, you get the sense of those
Speaker 1: birds have all done that before, you know it, multiple
Speaker 1: species of goals, pelicans, and they get in there and
Speaker 1: they could ride the uh they could ride the call it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they can ride the draft of the boat over the back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but they got it, so dialed it. The boat's
Speaker 1: going in one direction and that bird is sitting in
Speaker 1: the draft of the boat cocked at a forty five
Speaker 1: degree angle to his line of travel and just moving
Speaker 1: along sideways. Man, do this all the time, dude, and
Speaker 1: coming down and grabbing stuff. And then in the water
Speaker 1: the porpoises porpoise.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: You see, if they would have had thirty forty boats,
Speaker 3: they would have been distributed. But they sense a boat,
Speaker 3: so they're all coming from all directions. Man. They want
Speaker 3: they want a free meal. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's funny because you can tell everybody's done that before.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, indeed they had one guy.
Speaker 3: Uh. In fact, that was right in the West Canal
Speaker 3: where we were. I seen him up against the bank
Speaker 3: and it was before the storm and he was hand
Speaker 3: feeding one it would come up and he'd hand feed
Speaker 3: it and hand feed it. And then I seen him.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, man, I've seen your feeding that porpoise. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 3: he would come all the top to me. But since
Speaker 3: the storm he hadn't seen him. So, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: what Yeah, yeah, since the storm he hadn't seen him anymore.
Speaker 3: But before the storm he used to hand feed that
Speaker 3: certain purpose at the same place all the time. You
Speaker 3: kidding me? Awesome? Yeah, straight, I mean I was. I
Speaker 3: was shrimping my buddy I had with me. I said, look,
Speaker 3: he's feeding that the purpose had their head up and
Speaker 3: just sitting there waiting with them out open. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It flipped me when the fish.
Speaker 3: It was there.
Speaker 1: And you like take you like take pictures of sunsets
Speaker 1: and stuff when you're out. Oh yeah, man, you never
Speaker 1: you never lost track of the beauty of it all.
Speaker 3: No, man, Nature's the thing of its own.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 3: It's just so Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 1: I could see getting like all after all your life,
Speaker 1: that you lose that doing it for work. No, man,
Speaker 1: you might after a while, just be ambivalent.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, man, Like I told you,
Speaker 3: the last three or four times I went shrimping, it
Speaker 3: causes me to go shrimping. It costs me the money
Speaker 3: bank to go shrimping and bait ice, I mean a
Speaker 3: few and ice. You know, it cost me a little
Speaker 3: bit to go shrimping. And but I enjoy you know,
Speaker 3: And like I said, the August season is when I
Speaker 3: really enjoy it. Those big shrimp they're red.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: They're jumping on the deck of the boat, on top
Speaker 3: of the net. And every time I see you, when
Speaker 3: I tell my my my crew members, look, look the
Speaker 3: on top, I'm just it's just so excited you. And
Speaker 3: uh they're jumping in front of that net just like popcorn. Man,
Speaker 3: they're running, They're jumping all over the place. When you're
Speaker 3: really fine them. It's pretty neat.
Speaker 1: To see, you know.
Speaker 3: It's just I enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he says.
Speaker 8: It's a famous phrase.
Speaker 1: Yes, catch phrase.
Speaker 3: Catchphrase.
Speaker 1: Man, So you haven't gotten into have you gotten into
Speaker 1: spearfishing like your son here?
Speaker 3: Not as much?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: He uh, he brought it to a different level.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: It was we started out just uh going dive for lobsters,
Speaker 3: you know, with the tank and haul and everything, you know,
Speaker 3: and and it come on, we're going to get lobs
Speaker 3: of Dad I don't want to shoot some fish man,
Speaker 3: so we he so we had to give up our
Speaker 3: my wife and I had to give up our lobster
Speaker 3: hunting so he can shoot him some little hogfish and
Speaker 3: then lo and behold, man, we was lost in one
Speaker 3: time and he's shooting some fish and I look in
Speaker 3: the distance and he got some little three foot sharks
Speaker 3: hitting the bloodline and coming back to hit it again.
Speaker 3: And they finding the trail to you know who. And
Speaker 3: then uh, when they when he sees the little sharks coming,
Speaker 3: they had like two or three of them. He's like,
Speaker 3: hm hmm, he sharks, you know it. And he goes
Speaker 3: and he's behind his mom. He grabs his mama and
Speaker 3: I could hear her screaming under the water. I said,
Speaker 3: I was like twelve years old Ronnie's original shark.
Speaker 1: Shark shield.
Speaker 3: I never thought you could scream under the water. But
Speaker 3: it's mama was screaming under the water. Man. And I'll
Speaker 3: looked off to the side and they had a big
Speaker 3: about eight nine foot, a big nurse just kind of
Speaker 3: sitting there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm glad they didn't see that one, you know, but uh,
Speaker 3: it's good man under the water is beautiful man. It's
Speaker 3: just a whole other world, you know. And then uh,
Speaker 3: like Ronnie, you know, Ronnie went for the with and
Speaker 3: then uh started the free diving.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta start breathing up and learning how to
Speaker 3: free diving. I always got them big fans, and I'm
Speaker 3: not nowhere close to what they'd do, well y'all do
Speaker 3: you know? But I mean I enjoy you, you know,
Speaker 3: just go out there. And he likes to go to
Speaker 3: Bahamas and get some calk.
Speaker 6: You like that.
Speaker 1: That's fun, man, that's a little wrist diving too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, well it's about it's about nipple deep.
Speaker 3: We went a little bit further than nipple, you know,
Speaker 3: but it was about twenty five or sold. But I
Speaker 3: mean it's just nice to see. Also, you know, just
Speaker 3: a nature things. And I'm a crustacean fisherman, and so
Speaker 3: Conker right up.
Speaker 1: Here, crustace your crustacean specially, yeah, man, Conker Lobster's like
Speaker 1: what he likes to do. Like when we go together
Speaker 1: to the Bahamas. That's your idea vacation. You switch, you
Speaker 1: just switch crustaceans.
Speaker 3: Snails and crayfish.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, tell me about that that ship man. I
Speaker 1: even made a note in my phone to ask you
Speaker 1: about the snails the begnas. Yeah, okay, okay, lay the
Speaker 1: snail situation out for me.
Speaker 3: Well, snails are also in the salinity area, you know,
Speaker 3: so when we would transplant orses.
Speaker 1: Are you guys using the word s cargo, But it's
Speaker 1: because it's not a land begonna began, Yeah, be gonna.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you spell it, or we just
Speaker 3: call it a big but uh you see, so we
Speaker 3: transplant these oarsters. Yeah, so these oorsteres have a scent.
Speaker 3: They have a smell of their origination, origional area. So
Speaker 3: when you put it in this new area, that's scent
Speaker 3: travels throughout the water. So drum fish, your snails, your trout,
Speaker 3: everything trout, they'll come to eat the little fish in
Speaker 3: the oysters, but the snails smell.
Speaker 1: Them like they know something went on.
Speaker 3: Then the new food they smell us, so they come
Speaker 3: into the dinner table. So these snails are moving in.
Speaker 3: So whenever we bet arsters in the salinity area, we'll
Speaker 3: always check the edge. And I remember one time we
Speaker 3: checked the edge and we had like sixty five big snails.
Speaker 3: So we knew they were coming, so we put it
Speaker 3: down in September. But when the cool the winter comes,
Speaker 3: these snails go in the mud or they'll just hide out.
Speaker 3: So we knew it was gonna be safe that we
Speaker 3: had to fish them out before the water warmed up.
Speaker 3: So when so we are right for the winter. But
Speaker 3: when the water starts warming, we put out these snail traps,
Speaker 3: which would have been a we'd go cut like these
Speaker 3: little tall oak trees, about a two inch oak tree,
Speaker 3: and we'd uh nail some palmetta leaves on it, yeah,
Speaker 3: and the wrap the palmata leaves with some bailing wire.
Speaker 3: The hell's that? Yeah, and then we'd uh stick these poles.
Speaker 1: Thunder set again, so we'd.
Speaker 8: Uh sometimes a bamboo or an oak pole. I use
Speaker 8: the bamboos sometimes to No, bamboo is.
Speaker 3: Just the mark. But uh we would nail these palmetal
Speaker 3: leaves to the to the pole and then wrap them
Speaker 3: with biling wire and we'd push the pole in the
Speaker 3: mud on the edge of the reef where the palmetto
Speaker 3: would just start touching the mud. And these snails they
Speaker 3: want to hurry up and lay. Then after they lay
Speaker 3: is when they're dangerous because after they lay, they don't
Speaker 3: want to eat, so they hurry up and they laying there.
Speaker 3: They climbing these poles to lay their eggs.
Speaker 1: So they wanted to lay the egg on the palmetal.
Speaker 3: Correct. They want to climb to put their egg in
Speaker 3: the water, cool in the water to float around. So
Speaker 3: they're gonna climb anything they can. They climb the crap cages, poles,
Speaker 3: anything you have, they're gonna climb.
Speaker 8: We could actually walk outside right now, probably catch a
Speaker 8: couple of off the pilings, like those oysters you saw
Speaker 8: in the pilings. If you go walk outside now, you're
Speaker 8: gonna see begos on a metium.
Speaker 1: Okay eating the oysters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll they'll drill drill a hole in them, either
Speaker 3: drill a hole in them or they'll they'll cluster up
Speaker 3: on one and suffocate it until it opens up and
Speaker 3: they'll get there drilled in there really and they actually
Speaker 3: spit their stomach bile in the oyster and it it
Speaker 3: dissolves this orster like a jelly and they'll just suck
Speaker 3: it out. Liberty hole.
Speaker 8: Many way to go, you say, one time, like you
Speaker 8: actually ate one that had been started to get drilled on.
Speaker 3: If you eat an orster that just started to get
Speaker 3: that stomach ball in it. Man, you just don't want
Speaker 3: to see another oyster for a while, you know. But
Speaker 3: it's nasty, man, that stuff. So we we've caught up
Speaker 3: to like thirty five five gall and thirty five five
Speaker 3: guy on buckets of snails in one day, just passing
Speaker 3: out traps. Yeah is that? Are you do that more
Speaker 3: to protect the oysters?
Speaker 1: Are you doing it to eat the snails?
Speaker 3: Protect the oysters?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but then you're eating those snails too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, when we have that big of an amount, it's
Speaker 3: hard to get rid of them, you know without back
Speaker 3: then we didn't have Facebook and this and that. Right now,
Speaker 3: you could get rid of them quick. People really want them.
Speaker 3: The crab fishing will catch them and they'll put them up.
Speaker 3: They'll sell them like a forty fifty bucks for a
Speaker 3: bucket of snails.
Speaker 1: Really oh yeah, man, And how do you guys fix those?
Speaker 3: Well? I used to have a pressure cooker that could
Speaker 3: hold a five gallon bucket of snails and you pressure
Speaker 3: them for like fifteen minutes. Now you could put them
Speaker 3: in the freezer and boil them for fifteen minutes. But
Speaker 3: if just a raw snail, you got to boil it
Speaker 3: for about an hour, whistle, and you got to boil
Speaker 3: the hell out of it.
Speaker 8: That crab ball season we put on the craw fish
Speaker 8: bowling that same seasoning, and you just take them out
Speaker 8: with a little small knife.
Speaker 3: Now they have a little area on the backside of
Speaker 3: it you gotta peel or cut off. We call it
Speaker 3: the back out a tobacco whatnot. It's just the area
Speaker 3: where they keep that boil at their stomach ass. It
Speaker 3: turns purple off to you boil it or whatnot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you want to cut that off. You eat too much
Speaker 3: of that of you'll get see got it?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 3: Talk about your gumbo. You were talking about your gumbo
Speaker 3: rest last night. Oh man, I'm getting hume girl ready.
Speaker 8: I was gonna say, talking about all these oysters I
Speaker 8: want to go.
Speaker 1: We're talking about oyster gumbo.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, he told me that he don't put sausage in
Speaker 1: his gumbo because the minute you put sausage in your gumbo,
Speaker 1: it's sausage gumbo.
Speaker 3: Sausage gumbo. Man, I don't care what gun of gumbo
Speaker 3: it is. You put sausage in it, it's a sausage gumbo.
Speaker 3: And that's my philosophy.
Speaker 1: You know, man, Now I've cooked, so you make a
Speaker 1: huge quantity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a certain saucee pod. If I'm gonna
Speaker 3: cook a gumbo, that's my pot. I put all my
Speaker 3: same ingredients quantities or whatnot, and I'll freeze it up, man,
Speaker 3: and I'll eat it for whenever I want some gumbo.
Speaker 3: It's ready to go.
Speaker 1: And you do a gallon of oysters.
Speaker 3: Gallon of oysters. I put the chicken towes, chicken legs maybe,
Speaker 3: and some chicken wings, gizzards and maybe it's salt pork
Speaker 3: and the and then a gallon of oysters. Man. I
Speaker 3: make a dark ru and season it up so good,
Speaker 3: and you eat it out in your boat if you
Speaker 3: need to. Oh, if I need to, yeah, I'll bring
Speaker 3: some on the boat and we'll go shrimping and all
Speaker 3: I'll bring me some gum bull and yeah.
Speaker 1: Good life, man, good life, living the dream. I like
Speaker 1: to eat out and never got burned out on seafood.
Speaker 3: You're still oh no, man, I'd like to see the
Speaker 3: palla oyster shells from the oysters I eat in my life?
Speaker 8: How many how many ocees you eating? The oyster eating
Speaker 8: competition that you did.
Speaker 3: I don't think I eat that, man, I'm sure I
Speaker 3: ate about eighty oorsters. Maybe, I don't know, maybe not
Speaker 3: your own. I know they chucking for you, but you
Speaker 3: know you had over when they were counting dozens and
Speaker 3: you did over a dozen dozen. Cool. I don't remember, man,
Speaker 3: you have a better memory than me.
Speaker 6: Man, But did you win? Oh no?
Speaker 8: Those professional eaters ridiculous amount.
Speaker 3: They would just just inhale like I was trying to
Speaker 3: pull it. Oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They throw them back up.
Speaker 6: I really don't.
Speaker 3: It's like those professional eaters, those people you just qualified.
Speaker 3: If you throw it up, you are Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not into that. Yeah, I tell you. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to judge, man, but I'm not into that hot
Speaker 1: dog eating contest.
Speaker 3: I'd rather enjoy, you know, enjoy yours.
Speaker 1: Where they get where they're like, they dunked that bun
Speaker 1: in water, so you can basically slurp the bun and
Speaker 1: they inhale those dogs. It's pretty nasty. Come on, man.
Speaker 2: Then there's the controversies where they would dip them, but
Speaker 2: they would leave some of them in there, so not
Speaker 2: having to con man, they take the cups away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to dip a hot dog bun have
Speaker 1: it all come back out. I've never tried it. I'm
Speaker 1: just guessing it's hard to do it. But we tried
Speaker 1: to give it a little shake in there. We tried
Speaker 1: with the bagel chips. This trip worked that well, Oh
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, it's not good. Ronnie and Greg, Can
Speaker 1: you guys give Chili some critiques on his first sper
Speaker 1: diving expedition. Chili explained to us, he's not a waterman.
Speaker 3: No, what'd you think of it? From South Dakota?
Speaker 6: What did I think of it?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: I think for us, we see what's going on, but
Speaker 2: for someone it's hard to explain everything that's going on
Speaker 2: down there.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I was gonna say, like it's hard to
Speaker 7: like rationalize like everything that's going on, Like it's weird.
Speaker 7: It was weird, like being on the surface and just
Speaker 7: kind of rolling with all the waves, being next to
Speaker 7: a rig and then like you get below the surface here.
Speaker 1: Talk about being in the boat first, because I kept
Speaker 1: telling you got to get in the water else you
Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on?
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, See was yelling at me that I needed
Speaker 7: to get in the water to just just to be
Speaker 7: able to put it all into perspective, and uh, I
Speaker 7: was like, yeah, I'll go, I'll go, and I'll end
Speaker 7: up going and yeah, it's just it was. It was
Speaker 7: incredible trying to just like just get below the surface
Speaker 7: and just seeing like all the different types of fish
Speaker 7: which I don't know about, and uh, everything is pretty
Speaker 7: pretty calm, and it was. Yeah, it was like one
Speaker 7: of the I was telling see if it was one
Speaker 7: of the coolest natural things I've ever seen in my life,
Speaker 7: Like not man made or anything like that, but like
Speaker 7: just the natural beauty behind it all was pretty pretty incredible.
Speaker 7: And uh, I would definitely do it again. I don't
Speaker 7: know if I would go around and buy all the
Speaker 7: spearfish and stuff come down and like make trips down
Speaker 7: to the Louisiana or wherever else to go diving and snorkeling. Uh,
Speaker 7: but if I got extra gear on the boat, yes,
Speaker 7: if there's if there's some extra flippers kicking around.
Speaker 1: I'd start playing with that and you gotta fish.
Speaker 3: I got it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: The old South Dakota washing rarity, not many people know
Speaker 7: about it, well, they.
Speaker 8: Do know about it, they don't they just don't know
Speaker 8: about the new name.
Speaker 6: So yeah, and I'm getting a barracuda, which is which
Speaker 6: is great.
Speaker 1: He's gonna stuff the head.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna I'm gonna hear amount the amount the head. Yeah,
Speaker 7: that was cool too. And he's gonna have a big
Speaker 7: fish fry. Gonna have a big fish fry. Everybody's invited
Speaker 7: except for you, Greg. Uh uh no, Yeah, that was
Speaker 7: it was just it was incredible.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 7: When I I remember, I was actually right by Dan.
Speaker 7: It was a byhind the camera right now. Uh, And
Speaker 7: I saw barracuda and I kind of like had a
Speaker 7: moment of like, oh ship, because I didn't you.
Speaker 1: Know what you were looking at. Just sort of instinctively
Speaker 1: I knew. I knew that that was a bar Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like a fish that like most people be like,
Speaker 1: oh I recognize, I have to. That doesn't look friendly
Speaker 1: at all, like a little snag. Yes, the mouth is
Speaker 1: a little open.
Speaker 6: I was like, I don't want to fuck with that thing.
Speaker 7: But uh yeah, So I saw it and then Dan
Speaker 7: was telling me. He's like, oh, yeah, like that's baracuda,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, oh, that's cool. And then I ended
Speaker 7: up swimming next to Steve and he's like, oh, we'll
Speaker 7: try to shoot a barracuda and he's like, shoot that
Speaker 7: one right there, and I was too far away.
Speaker 8: I was probably thirty feet away, way too far.
Speaker 6: Wait, I didn't know he had a rifle. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 6: fed out three hundred weather dead.
Speaker 1: But then I told I'll squeeze you when it's time
Speaker 1: to shoot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and then we would get up there was cool.
Speaker 2: I was watching from you know, I don't know, thirty
Speaker 2: four feet give you a little.
Speaker 7: Goose when Yeah, He's like, I'll squeeze your rom when
Speaker 7: it's time to shoot, and I was probably like, I
Speaker 7: don't know, seven feet away from this thing and squeeze
Speaker 7: my arm, pulled the trigger and ended up getting.
Speaker 6: It, and uh yeah, I know. It was incredible though,
Speaker 6: Like I very very glad.
Speaker 4: I got on the in the water and we dripped
Speaker 4: it away too, So you'll manage to dispatch the South
Speaker 4: Dakota wahoo.
Speaker 1: Pretty pretty big one like was going about it, and
Speaker 1: he came. He came swimming.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: I was about to say that looked like a Greg job.
Speaker 2: He didn't like my plan, so I take off and
Speaker 2: went out of the rig and I saw Steve chasing it,
Speaker 2: trying to wragule it.
Speaker 1: And it was very much alive. And then I just
Speaker 1: circle back. When you came after you, it was going No,
Speaker 1: he came right back, but I thought he was gonna
Speaker 1: get me. I thought he's gonna pale me with the shaft.
Speaker 1: He was all over you. They got crazy when you
Speaker 1: shoot him out of the water. Greg didn't like what
Speaker 1: was going on. It came. He thought he thought we
Speaker 1: were gonna get mold. This is probably reasonable.
Speaker 2: I gave it a few seconds and said to intervene
Speaker 2: with probably think I was playing cat and.
Speaker 8: Mouse with that big dogs messing and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So in the end we.
Speaker 1: Got we've got amber we got amberjack, which we had
Speaker 1: in those delicious yep, the controversial amberjack.
Speaker 2: Meaning it's delicious amberjack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's it's one of those many I
Speaker 1: keep saying, this is one of those many fish that
Speaker 1: people argue about. Yeah, there's certain fish that people don't
Speaker 1: argue about, like like if you go, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: certain fish is just universally accepted as good. Like no
Speaker 1: one wants to hear from someone who says that, why
Speaker 1: who's no good? Right, Sure there's.
Speaker 2: Someone, but it's just no one care Like snapper snappers.
Speaker 1: Some some dude somewhere doesn't like it, but it's just
Speaker 1: accepted common carp Of course, you're gonna find a guy
Speaker 1: that says common carp were great. You know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: find a guy that says kyote meat is great. But
Speaker 1: it's just generally people aren't into common car. But it
Speaker 1: seems to me in my limited experience, the amber jack
Speaker 1: splits people right down the middle, supplits people right down
Speaker 1: the middle. There's a little bit of regionality to it.
Speaker 2: Well, there's even I feel like when I first came
Speaker 2: down here with some of the guys I was going with,
Speaker 2: it's the first fish I ever shot in Louisiana, And
Speaker 2: even they were like, eh, you know, maybe maybe I
Speaker 2: have a little bit. But they weren't like, oh good,
Speaker 2: you shot a shot a ambridge.
Speaker 1: Well my take on was, how bad could it be
Speaker 1: if it's so tightly regulated. Uh so this was like
Speaker 1: bad one a day, a short season. It can't be
Speaker 1: that bad.
Speaker 2: It was a little looser back then. I mean you're
Speaker 2: talking probably fourteen fifteen years ago. I shot it in March.
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't even the same time of year.
Speaker 8: Okay, I'm trying I'm trying to remember when they started
Speaker 8: bringing in the season on amberjack. Yeah, I say, I
Speaker 8: was trying like middle school when they started putting on
Speaker 8: so it's.
Speaker 1: A tight season.
Speaker 2: I also didn't realize how old I was getting, so
Speaker 2: I've been coming down here for a long time. And
Speaker 2: then you talked about and Ronnie's consumerly younger than I have.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's the regulations changed greatly with that fish
Speaker 2: over the year, so.
Speaker 1: It's a one a one month season one day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a tight ass regulated fish, which says to me,
Speaker 1: someone wants it.
Speaker 8: But the commercial guy who got a long season, they could,
Speaker 8: Oh they do they get them like a winter, they
Speaker 8: long let them. No, they they bandit bandit fish them,
Speaker 8: kind of like snapper. They do what bandit fishing, big
Speaker 8: giant reel, put a big, big hand crank on it
Speaker 8: and they'll put like twenty to fifty hooks on it
Speaker 8: and up it down or with the amber jacks, sometimes
Speaker 8: they'll run a lot less hooks. But you never seem
Speaker 8: like a snapper boat. Like snaper boats fish with big
Speaker 8: bandit reels with and catch and god that mounts a snapper.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: It looks like a big black pulley on like a
Speaker 4: metal arm that they'll sticking a rod holder in the
Speaker 4: gunwale and they just crank it up.
Speaker 1: But it's it's got a big metal wheel on it,
Speaker 1: like it's got one main line with a bunch of
Speaker 1: droppers on it exactly bat them as it goes out. Yep. Yep.
Speaker 1: You'll have like an auto jig auto jigs or what.
Speaker 4: No, you just lay it on the bottom and then
Speaker 4: by the time on a good spot, by the time
Speaker 4: you get it all on the bottom, you bring it
Speaker 4: back up.
Speaker 3: Basically.
Speaker 1: God, it's all just circle hooks. Yep. Yeah. And that's
Speaker 1: how they catch them.
Speaker 8: That's how they fish them.
Speaker 1: Got amberjack, Yeah, got gray triggers yep. Also tightly regulated.
Speaker 8: Yeah, very tightly regulated per day, and they all also
Speaker 8: have a very small season, like they close the same
Speaker 8: day as Amberjack.
Speaker 1: Okay, kobea tighter and tighter all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That that was That was a killer for me, not
Speaker 4: one per person, but was hurting yesterday seeing all those
Speaker 4: Kobe and letting them swim away.
Speaker 3: There was a lot.
Speaker 8: First, my side job is commercial kobea and it's like
Speaker 8: you used to be able to go and you know,
Speaker 8: you get two per person and no boat limit. Now
Speaker 8: it's one per person to per vessel. Oh see, if
Speaker 8: you're out by yourself, it's one. Yeah, so if you
Speaker 8: buy yourself is on one.
Speaker 1: Yep. Mangrel snapper which still very you know, a very
Speaker 1: friendly regulatory structure.
Speaker 8: They haven't really changed much. They've been the same as
Speaker 8: long as I can remember.
Speaker 6: And no season on them.
Speaker 1: Something.
Speaker 8: I think it helps the mango snappers and they're tougher
Speaker 8: to catch on rod and reel. They're a lot smarter.
Speaker 1: Than the reds. They're slick, yeah, got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And from what I heard back in the day too,
Speaker 4: is that you used to be the mangro What we
Speaker 4: like do with mangrove fishing now where we go up
Speaker 4: and chum a rig and then we'll let the you
Speaker 4: know kind of free line, let the hook float back
Speaker 4: with it. It used to be white trout and croakers
Speaker 4: like back this way before my time. But like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we used to fish on Grand on Grand, I would say, yeah,
Speaker 4: there used to be no mangroves do. It's all big croakers,
Speaker 4: like bull croakers, that big you know, like we're catching
Speaker 4: the little ones in the shrimp nets.
Speaker 1: They're like this big.
Speaker 4: So I heard I was never here for this because
Speaker 4: in the seventies eighties, but it's what it used to be.
Speaker 4: The mangrove fishery was a croaker fishery really yep. And
Speaker 4: as those croakers went down, the mangrels came up. Yeah
Speaker 4: you know cyclical, something else comes up and takes hereinks
Speaker 4: your spot and.
Speaker 1: We got red snapper yep, which went the other direction.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it fluctuates all the time.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we fished last year Friday Saturday, so the season
Speaker 1: was a certain window of time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, just a weekend and you can only have two
Speaker 8: per person, and then as the season went one they
Speaker 8: opened it up to by the end of the season
Speaker 8: last year you could have four per person yep. Whereas
Speaker 8: I mean I can remember as a kid going out
Speaker 8: when I first started free dive and everything that it
Speaker 8: was like one week a year and you can only
Speaker 8: have two per person.
Speaker 1: And right now it's open all week.
Speaker 8: Now it's opening. It opened it up the I think
Speaker 8: in April they opened the mid April. They opened it
Speaker 8: this year and it's opened all week long and four person.
Speaker 6: Hmm, sixteen inch.
Speaker 1: It's a very uh in Louisiana. It's a very fluid
Speaker 1: regulatory structure, like they're fine tuning all the time.
Speaker 2: So one of the places you have to go to
Speaker 2: you really have to pay attention if you're coming from
Speaker 2: out of state. I'm just so used to a season
Speaker 2: and a size.
Speaker 1: That's you say, when I go to my mom's lake,
Speaker 1: Like when I go to Michigan fish my mom's lake.
Speaker 1: In my lifetime, there's been one change, yeah, and that
Speaker 1: was that pike went from twenty one to twenty four
Speaker 1: inches and bass went from twelve to fourteen. Other I
Speaker 1: can't think of a single change that's happened in fifty years.
Speaker 2: Well, even here the end season change, they'll be does
Speaker 2: he go throughout?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, they'll they'll close it on you last minute,
Speaker 8: or even like like the amber jack season just just
Speaker 8: popped up. What in April I think, or Scelda the text, Hey, look,
Speaker 8: they're giving us a springs amber jack season this year,
Speaker 8: which is Spring's my favorite time to shoot him because
Speaker 8: they come up higher in the water column. It's a
Speaker 8: little easier free dive for them versus like trying to
Speaker 8: shoot them in August because they give us an August season.
Speaker 8: Most most years like that's more I guaranteed season, but
Speaker 8: the spring season we hadn't had it in three years,
Speaker 8: and this was the first time in three years. Guy
Speaker 8: should go out again and in May and shoot them.
Speaker 1: What else did we get?
Speaker 8: Trying to think we had a dog snapper dog snapper
Speaker 8: scamps and they get a scamp sandwich.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a monster one, but scamp, grooper, campgrouper.
Speaker 1: Yep, what else? That's about it?
Speaker 2: That's about it?
Speaker 3: Passed up.
Speaker 1: I mean there's all kinds of fish we didn't get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean alma cot. Did we get alme CoA?
Speaker 8: Yeah, they get some almal cozy.
Speaker 2: Special Almalco.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was great man, Thanks for having us down.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You people bill watch all about it. Yeah, we'll be
Speaker 1: able to watch all about it.
Speaker 8: How do you like those amberjack amberjack fights?
Speaker 1: I could see getting drowned by one of those. I
Speaker 1: could see you got if you didn't do something right
Speaker 1: and got wrapped up, he's gonna drown you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to know where your knife is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got that line when he's going all crazy,
Speaker 1: If you got that line around your foot, he's gonna drown. No, man,
Speaker 1: you're not holding him back. He'd have no problem dragging you.
Speaker 8: Oh no, they're not even trying, and they're just working you.
Speaker 1: You cannot you'd get like you try to tighten down
Speaker 1: on him and you just going under water, Yeah, pulling
Speaker 1: you down as you go, and you got to realize
Speaker 1: you gotta let go to get a breath.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's all about finding that right amount to give
Speaker 8: him and attention to like yourself, but still not letting
Speaker 8: them get to the rig, because once they get to
Speaker 8: the rig, it's pretty much it becomes even game over.
Speaker 1: It becomes really tough to go retrieve them. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: fish like just people listening. These fish. If you shoot one,
Speaker 1: you can get over. And these guys will no joke,
Speaker 1: hand the lineup or hand the gun up to the
Speaker 1: boat and they tie this thing off to the cleat
Speaker 1: to try to stop it. Yeah, I mean tie it
Speaker 1: off to the cleat on the boat, and then you
Speaker 1: run the risk that he'll pop off because he's got
Speaker 1: something firm to pull against. But other than that, you're
Speaker 1: gonna lose it. Anyway.
Speaker 4: When we're riding real fishing forum on charters, it's we
Speaker 4: use big fifty with tigger fifty wides and they'll be
Speaker 4: Once you hook them up, you basically got to slam
Speaker 4: it in reverse and hold the hold the spool with
Speaker 4: your hands. And they're still screaming out like forty to
Speaker 4: fifty pounds of drag. Just to give some perspective, So
Speaker 4: use big uh what's the Jerry Brown braid? Like three
Speaker 4: hundred pound braid braid and you just basically lock it
Speaker 4: down and try to winch them in. But they're still
Speaker 4: screaming back towards that rig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you try to back the boat away. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to. You have to use the boat.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the biggest braid you could find with something like
Speaker 8: three hundred or up to five hundred pound test mind know,
Speaker 8: with a sixty knight circle hook with a live blue
Speaker 8: runner and you drop that down to the school and
Speaker 8: when you when you hit, when you feel meat it,
Speaker 8: you just throw it in four reverse the back of
Speaker 8: the school there. Because they go in the rig, they'll
Speaker 8: cut it instantly. I mean you saw like Greg had
Speaker 8: even was cutting his dynamo with his first one out
Speaker 8: on the strip.
Speaker 3: Rig donkeys, rig donkeys.
Speaker 1: Guy, they're strong.
Speaker 3: It's cool to see.
Speaker 2: Just it's like a pack of wild dogs coming in
Speaker 2: when you when you shoot a mangrove or something like that,
Speaker 2: and when Chili was fishing.
Speaker 1: Try it was the benefit of Chili's fishing. Yeah, Steve, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how we. Yeah, Chili dropped down with the rod,
Speaker 1: caught a snap or pulled it up, and they just
Speaker 1: come up with it like they're fish.
Speaker 8: I don't like to try and shoot deep on a
Speaker 8: free dive, like you ain't trying to shoot him because
Speaker 8: you know you got to. You're about to get your
Speaker 8: hands full, and uh, you definitely want to hurt them.
Speaker 8: You don't want to You don't want to just take
Speaker 8: any shot you could get on them because you want
Speaker 8: to give that that get that stunt on them, so
Speaker 8: where they're stunned and gives you a little time to
Speaker 8: get to the surface and prep yourself.
Speaker 6: They're not they're not dead.
Speaker 3: They're just charging their turbos.
Speaker 1: Greg says, you got to break their will, break their will.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they break you because sometimes you lock down on
Speaker 3: them and.
Speaker 2: You're swimming up and you're trying to you know, you're
Speaker 2: trying to break their stread there. Then you look up
Speaker 2: and go, I'm deeper than I was when.
Speaker 3: I shot it.
Speaker 1: He says, when you hit it, if you if it
Speaker 1: stuns for a second, Yeah, then you got to hog
Speaker 1: it and it kind of He thinks it breaks their will.
Speaker 8: Well, I don't think it breaks.
Speaker 2: Then they then they puke out whatever they have in
Speaker 2: their stomachs.
Speaker 8: And the like when they flare the up, flare their
Speaker 8: gills up, and they'll charge up with auction. Like I said,
Speaker 8: like they're charging their turbos and then they're ready to
Speaker 8: kick your ass. He's like, I'm gonna vomit up my lunch,
Speaker 8: charge my turbos.
Speaker 6: Take it with me.
Speaker 8: When you see the tails start to flick like that,
Speaker 8: get ready because you bother go for a ride.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on, hold on, Yeah, I was legit a
Speaker 1: little bit, not not scares that the right word. But
Speaker 1: you just become aware of how you could do something wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you're not being careful about your right well.
Speaker 2: You just have to be, especially if you're if you're
Speaker 2: shooting real like most of us do, and you start
Speaker 2: getting that line up. If you do not clean off
Speaker 2: to the boat and you get it up and they
Speaker 2: make another run where that line is, you just have
Speaker 2: to be very aware of what you're going.
Speaker 8: As you've seen they do, like you'll get you'll start
Speaker 8: gaining on them like, oh yeah, might I might have
Speaker 8: broke their wheel and they're like, oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 8: we're making another run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a fish, you know. Some fish, you
Speaker 3: do break them, they'll do wahoo.
Speaker 2: They'll do one or two maybe three runs, and then
Speaker 2: they'll turn side aways or run out of gas.
Speaker 3: Where.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the amberjack are just no nonstock resilient. Yeah yeah, well,
Speaker 2: yeah you did it.
Speaker 8: I lived, I lived, got you a big one, and
Speaker 8: then you got your good either.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I labeled that one Steve Steve's Special Amberjack,
Speaker 1: my little one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But man, yeah, I was. I thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 1: And I texted Yanni. He's he's got a strong North
Speaker 1: Carolina influence, married married into a North Carolina fishing family.
Speaker 1: I texted him and it said, he says, right off,
Speaker 1: do they eat those? That's crazy? I said, very popular,
Speaker 1: very popular, and then he followed up with congratulations, that's cool,
Speaker 1: so must be something. Well, Chief, thanks for coming on
Speaker 1: the show man, I appreciate it. You're the first oyster
Speaker 1: man we've ever had on all right, Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: hope they fix your prices up here, man or what oysterman?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Man oysterman. What do you guys call it?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: Ok? I hope they get your prices squared away. I
Speaker 1: think that consumers of it would be great if consumers
Speaker 1: of seafood uh factored in the if it costs them
Speaker 1: an extra buck or two, factored in the source of
Speaker 1: where they're getting there, the source of where they're getting
Speaker 1: their seafood, right to help sustain certain you know, sustained
Speaker 1: certain industries and practices.
Speaker 3: Realize it's locally called and you know wild caught fish.
Speaker 3: Man's wrong.
Speaker 1: Silicon free, silicon free, no added antibiotics. Still that's wrong,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, man, thanks for coming on the show.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, thank you, thank you.
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