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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show everyone, as you know, Matt Nol

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Speaker 1: and me the one they call Ben or all big,

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Speaker 1: big fans of hip hop, And in celebration of the

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Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary of hip hop, we decided to air one

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Speaker 1: of the most fascinating conversations that I think we've had

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Speaker 1: in the course of this show with a man of

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Speaker 1: luminary in the world of hip hop named Jay Prince,

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Speaker 1: whom some people may be familiar with.

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Speaker 2: You might be familiar with. Him started a record company

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Speaker 2: you might be familiar with. We'll get into that in

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Speaker 2: the episode. He's a legend, let's just say. And we

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Speaker 2: got to talk to him in twenty eighteen, I believe

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Speaker 2: it was, guys in October because of something called the

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Speaker 2: A three C Festival, And actually we got a hook

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Speaker 2: up from our good friend Ramsey.

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Speaker 1: M hmm, yeah, And so A three C is a

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Speaker 1: big festival here in Atlanta, and even for them, it

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Speaker 1: was a huge opportunity for that festival to have the

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Speaker 1: legendary Prince appear. As you said, Matt, he is the

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Speaker 1: founder of Rap a Lot Records. He's probably he may

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Speaker 1: be from people outside the world of hip hop. He

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Speaker 1: may be best known for introducing Drake to Lil Wayne.

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Speaker 1: He signed Drake to Young Money Entertainment, and he is

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Speaker 1: a person who commends a tremendous amount of respect, not

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Speaker 1: just in Texas, but throughout the United States and abroad.

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Speaker 1: In this conversation, I was re listening, you know, we

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Speaker 1: had some we had some moments where I remember looking

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Speaker 1: at across the studio at you, thinking, oh, when you

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Speaker 1: said so, do you have a pig farmy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, for anyone that doesn't know, there have been rumors

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Speaker 2: circulating on the internet for let's say a decade or

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Speaker 2: and a half decade or two maybe about j Prince

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Speaker 2: a certain island and a pig farm and his enemies.

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Speaker 2: But you know, come on, they're just rumors, right.

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Speaker 4: I do remember Ja Prin's being a very generous interview

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Speaker 4: subject and a very fascinating figure and obviously a character

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Speaker 4: who looms large in the world of hip hop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was immensely fascinating to because I had

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Speaker 1: grown up hearing about this guy, right, And it's immensely

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Speaker 1: fascinating to speak with someone who, as you said, was

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Speaker 1: so generous and very very forthcoming with questions about government

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Speaker 1: conspiracies against people in the music industry, specifically in the

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Speaker 1: world of hip hop, very much outgoing with the nuts

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Speaker 1: and bolts of how things work in the music industry,

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Speaker 1: and then also pulls back the curtain to show us

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that some music execs might not

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Speaker 1: want you to know, about how the money can roll around,

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Speaker 1: about how people can help or retaliate against one another.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just I would say, and this is

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Speaker 1: not talking, This is not bragging about us. This is

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Speaker 1: bragging about the Jade Prince's buildings. As a storyteller and communicator,

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Speaker 1: I would say that it's kind of a snapshot of

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Speaker 1: modern American mythology in a way, like the way he's

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Speaker 1: exploring these stories. Also want to shout out the book

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Speaker 1: that he wrote, The Art and Science of Respect.

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Speaker 3: Drake wrote the forward, and.

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Speaker 2: Hey, one of the reasons we're even putting this episode

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Speaker 2: out right now is because the world at this moment

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Speaker 2: and for this month has been celebrating what's being called

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Speaker 2: the anniversary of hip hop, fifty years of this thing

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Speaker 2: that we all love called hip hop. And you know,

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Speaker 2: at times it may feel a little core or weird

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Speaker 2: to say, hey, it's the anniversary of hip hop, but

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Speaker 2: it is pretty amazing just to look back and celebrate

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Speaker 2: the people who shaped music as we know it today.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's also like a uniquely like jazz, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's a uniquely American tradition, an American phenomenon, you know

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Speaker 4: that started as a very regionalized thing with you know,

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Speaker 4: and you know, B boy culture and of course you know,

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Speaker 4: sort of organically ballooned into this absolute phenomenon and like

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Speaker 4: you know, cultural megalith that it is today, you know,

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Speaker 4: with rappers like Drake like having you know, more appearances

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Speaker 4: in the Top forty Hit Parade than like any artist

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Speaker 1: Too agreed and well said, and so without further ado,

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Speaker 1: we present to you our classic conversation with the hip

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Speaker 1: hop legend James Prince Jay Prince.

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Speaker 5: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 5: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 5: learn the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: My name.

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Speaker 3: Is Noman, they call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We are joined with our returning guest superproducer, Casey Pegram.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here that makes

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Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. Today we

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Speaker 1: are diving into something that many of you and your

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Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists have asked us to do for a

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Speaker 1: number of years. We're touching on the concepts of conspiracy

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Speaker 1: and music.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: The music industry is cutthroat, it's brutal. It's often described

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Speaker 1: as a zero sum game. But wait, Matt, Noel, Ben,

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Speaker 1: you might be saying, none of you are kings of

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Speaker 1: a music empire.

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Speaker 2: We're not even really that cultured, right.

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Speaker 1: So, as we know on this show, the best way

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Speaker 1: to get closest to the truth is to go to

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Speaker 1: a primary source. And luckily, with a three C happening

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Speaker 1: primary sources for the music industry as a whole.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody who has been at the top of his

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Speaker 1: And I guess the best way to introduce the person

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Speaker 1: we're interviewing today would be through just a little bit

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Speaker 1: of background. Noel, would you do the honors.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So today we interview a guy who I was

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Speaker 4: not intensely familiar with by name alone.

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Speaker 6: His name is James Prince or Prince.

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Speaker 4: But when you start digging into his legacy and his

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Speaker 4: past as a music mogul and trendsetter and just all

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Speaker 4: around forward thinking guy, you realize that he laid some

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Speaker 4: of the groundwork for many of the hip hop record

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Speaker 4: labels that we know today, especially from the nineties and

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Speaker 4: early two thousand, things like Cash Money Records, No Limit Records,

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Speaker 4: these kind of singular forces of owned and operated independent

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Speaker 4: hip hop record labels that then were able to connect

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Speaker 4: a way that they were still able to set the

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Speaker 4: a problem with big record labels, and we talk a

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Speaker 4: lot about that with mister Prince. But he founded a

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Speaker 2: And then the first album was dropped in eighty.

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Speaker 6: Seven, that's right.

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Speaker 4: And he did this when he was at the time

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Speaker 4: working at a used car lot that he owned and operated,

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Speaker 4: and he did it to get his brother, who was

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Speaker 4: a rapper who went by the name rap a Lot,

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Speaker 4: to get him to keep him from becoming a victim

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Speaker 6: Called the Fifth Ward.

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Speaker 4: And he talks a lot about that, and so he

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Speaker 4: kind of assembled a group called the Ghetto Boys. The

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Speaker 4: Good to Be a Gangster, which is prominently huge song

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Speaker 1: He also he also managed Devin the Dude. If you're

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Speaker 1: if you're a fan of that, he is a great

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Speaker 1: song called that I Got High. Actually, Devin the Dude

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Speaker 1: has a bunch of tras. I'm going to go listen

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Speaker 1: to him after this interview. But I think that's an

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Speaker 1: excellent way to show the context because one of the

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Speaker 1: most important things is he did this by himself.

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Speaker 6: Yeah right, he did is by himself.

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Speaker 4: He was always kind of hustling and investing and looking

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Speaker 4: not to mention the fact that he was a very

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Speaker 4: successful and continues to be boxing manager. Yeah, managed a

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So this guy's been around and in that in

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Speaker 4: those journeys that he's been through in his life, he's

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Speaker 4: seen some stuff. Specifically some stuff they they the record industry,

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Speaker 4: the music industry, the government, the government.

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Speaker 2: The boxing industry, all of these people.

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Speaker 6: Do not want you to know.

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Speaker 3: So let's you know, don't take our word for it.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear from him.

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Speaker 6: Let's jump right in.

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Speaker 1: Our guest today is James Prince. He's the founder of

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Speaker 1: Rap Records, a legend in the music business and beyond.

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Speaker 1: His memoir, The Art and Science of Respect is available

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Speaker 1: now as you're listening to this. You can get the

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Speaker 1: book today on Amazon, or you can head over to

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Speaker 1: Apple Music and listen to James Prince read the entire

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Speaker 1: work in audiobook format. Thank you for coming on the show, sir.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it's a privileged and honor to be here.

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Speaker 2: What do we call you, James?

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Speaker 7: You call me James Jay Prince.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with Prince.

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Speaker 2: Is that okay? Yeah, okay in studio where we're recording,

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Speaker 2: this is called Prince.

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Speaker 7: This is the Prince Didi Wow, Well here I am

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Speaker 7: living and living indeed for sure.

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Speaker 2: Sir, I want to go ahead. We've been listening. We

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Speaker 2: were talking about on Apple Music. You can listen to

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Speaker 2: excerpts from each of the chapters in your book, and

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Speaker 2: I wanted to just start out by talking to us

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Speaker 2: about creating goals in your life and everybody's life, making

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it it's really important, you know, to create

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Speaker 7: that's called what, when, where, and how that gives me

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Speaker 7: And you know that's important. You know, it's important to

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Speaker 7: to accomplish these goals. So you know, I don't know

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Speaker 7: what my life would be without it, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And you also discuss leaders, followers, and loaners, and can

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Speaker 2: you just tell everybody kind of where you found yourself

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Speaker 2: and how you've evolved.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I'm from fifth Ward. I'm from. Fifth

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Speaker 7: Ward is a place in Houston, Texas, and I always

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Speaker 7: mind if I was going to be a leader, a follower,

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Speaker 7: or loner because I witnessed these type of individuals in

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Speaker 7: the hood that I'm from, and I chose to be

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Speaker 7: a leader in spite of all the pressures, and you know,

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Speaker 7: the temptation and different things I was surrounded with that

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Speaker 7: I mean. It's like organizations, believe it or not, that

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Speaker 7: understand that in order to be a great leader, you

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Speaker 7: have to be a good follower as well. But that's

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Speaker 7: You know, I was attacked by every alphabet letter you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, No, this guy, you know, he was a clown

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Speaker 4: So much more accountability, right with the Internet being what

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I witnessed this and I made that statement

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that three sixty they're gonna eat everywhere you eating,

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Speaker 4: see to that is like a Jay Z for example.

441
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 4: I mean, like that's the highest profile dude that's running

442
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: every aspect of his business and promoting other artists and

443
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 4: you know, has his label and is also an artist himself.

444
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 4: But I don't see a lot of examples of like

445
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 4: the old way, like you know, Puff Daddy and guys

446
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 4: like yourself and master P. You just didn't seem like

447
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 4: there's much opportunity for that to happen anymore. But is

448
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 4: that maybe kind of not the worst thing in the world,

449
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 4: because you have all these artists being empowered by the Internet,

450
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 4: and being able to put themselves out and it's sort

451
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 4: of this like democracy of like people's attention. If you're

452
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 4: really good, you can succeed on your own without a label.

453
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Speaker 7: Well, you definitely can succeed on your own, but you know,

454
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 7: by no means is that something that they wouldn't want?

455
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 7: You know, everybody would want access to that kind of power.

456
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 7: And you know, speaking of jay Z Tom, they kind

457
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 7: of under the old law, as I would say in

458
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 7: my era, so that dea was earned like way back then,

459
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 7: but they trying to prevent that from this day fall.

460
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Speaker 1: And when we say they, I think something that would

461
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Speaker 1: surprise a lot of fans of any type of music

462
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: is that at the top, from what I understand with

463
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: the majors, there's a relatively small group of people that

464
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: are making these calls to green light something or to

465
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: end end someone's success. Just is that an active thing

466
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Speaker 1: that they do. Is there really some sort of like

467
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: maybe a room almost like this one where where I

468
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: mean a much nicer room.

469
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: Yes, there are more cigars in the right where.

470
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: People get together and they say we're gonna shut We're

471
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: gonna shut these people down.

472
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

473
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Speaker 7: I think I told this story in my book, I

474
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 7: wrote about a story where, you know, I called myself

475
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 7: going to create a situation where the majors was gonna.

476
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 6: A bid war.

477
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 7: And I went to I think Capital Records, and I'm

478
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 7: interviewing with a guy, you know, to tell him what

479
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 7: I wanted. And I left Capital and went over to

480
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Speaker 7: Janet to speak with Irvin Azoff. And I'm trying to

481
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 7: use this offer that I got against Irvin Azoff to

482
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 7: only you know, witness that Irvin Azoff knew everything that

483
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 7: was offered to me over the Capital.

484
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 6: So you're like floating this set to kind of do

485
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 6: a little test to see what they know.

486
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, which kind of blew my mind. So at that

487
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 7: point I understood it. Right then, Okay, these guys are

488
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 7: working together. You know, there's a network, a system in

489
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 7: place where they're sharing information. And I witnessed this on

490
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 7: so many different levels. But you know, it's interesting and

491
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 7: it's a surprise to those that don't know, and you know,

492
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 7: they can shut you down. I'll give you another example

493
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 7: about David Geffen. You know, because you know the Ghetto Boys,

494
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 7: we wanted to release a record with the same lyrical

495
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 7: content as he was releasing, you know, with other artists

496
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 7: with Rick Rubin, and he chose not to release our

497
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 7: record and basically gave Rick Rubin the freedom to, you know,

498
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 7: go and do another deal elsewhere. And if you know,

499
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 7: the lyrical content was the same as the other rock

500
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Speaker 7: and roll on Well.

501
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Speaker 4: Geffen was actually asked about that in an NPR piece

502
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Speaker 4: and he specifically cited some lyrics about violence towards women

503
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: that he had a problem with that were kind of

504
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: a little on the gory side, and he.

505
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Speaker 6: Said that was his position on it.

506
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: But I understand, like with death metal and heavy metal

507
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 4: and stuff, there's there's lyrics that are interpreted all kinds

508
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: of ways too. But what do you say to that

509
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 4: that it was specifically about violence towards women.

510
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he full of it, and uh, you know,

511
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 7: but it was his company to do what he wanted

512
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 7: to do. But you know, it's it's almost as as

513
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 7: if you're against a movie where violence take place against women.

514
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 7: You know, it's all at the end of the day,

515
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 7: it's all a joke, you know what I mean. It's

516
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 7: not what I mean by joke. Nobody in that particular song.

517
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 7: If you listen to the song that he's referring to,

518
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 7: it was like a vampire movie type of song or something.

519
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: You know, can I can I jump to some real

520
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: fast You were a boxing promoter for a time, were right,

521
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: not boxing manager, manager manager, so the others you're still

522
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: a boxing manager. So are you excited about any of

523
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: this stuff coming up on Saturday, like some of the

524
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: big the big UFC fight stuff into the UFC.

525
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's gonna be a good fight. Uh.

526
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 7: I don't know who's gonna win. But I like UFC

527
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 7: as well as box They're both great.

528
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, Connor McGregor just had his He

529
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: tried his hand at boxing, right and goes so great.

530
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 7: So there's well it depends that it was best.

531
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Speaker 2: It was the best of his life, right. But you know,

532
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: in the same vein in that world, there's a lot

533
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: of stuff they don't want you to know, similar to

534
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: the music industry. Is there anything you can share with

535
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: us about that that whole world?

536
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 7: Well, just understand that boxing and the music game it's

537
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 7: too cutthroat businesses. And with that being said, you know,

538
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 7: when you're dealing with cutthroat situations, you know, I give

539
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 7: you an example and I wrote about it in the

540
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 7: book Me and Don King. Don King had this fighter

541
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 7: by the name of James Page, who you know wasn't

542
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 7: being treated fairly at all. You know, he had a

543
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 7: deal with with Showtime where two million a fight was

544
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 7: coming his way because of you know, James Page. And

545
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 7: you know James Page was only getting a hundred and

546
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 7: some thousand of that money. So you know, I went

547
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 7: to Don King. I'm like, hey, man, you know this

548
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 7: ain't right.

549
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 6: We have to eat.

550
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 7: You know, I'm representing this guy now, so you know,

551
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 7: show some respect and allows us to eat a little more.

552
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 7: And King said to me, brother, if you want him

553
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 7: to eat, then you need to go and figure out

554
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 7: a way for him. You know, this is what I

555
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 7: understood that, and I made some for nest moves, which

556
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 7: caused me to get sued by Don King for like

557
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 7: twenty million dollars, you know, because he felt like I

558
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 7: had took his fighter in which I did and created

559
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 7: a better opportunity. I got him the biggest payday that

560
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 7: he had ever made. To make a long story short,

561
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 7: you know, I worn that laws suit and you know

562
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 7: the headlines read the Prince, the Thrones, the King, which

563
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 7: you know caused my business to try him to a

564
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 7: different level.

565
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: Think that's a good headline.

566
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

567
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Speaker 1: And often in both of these businesses which you just

568
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: described as cutthrough, often we see various artists, various even

569
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: boxers of fighters referring or maybe I should say, deferring

570
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: to you to your opinion to take. Do you see these,

571
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: especially these younger people want to follow in your footsteps?

572
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: Do you see them learning from you?

573
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: Or I guess what of asking is. Do you see

574
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: them listening?

575
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, most definitely. When I speak, they normally listen.

576
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 7: A lot of them reach out to me all the time,

577
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 7: which you know caused me to want to write the

578
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 7: book The Art and Science of Respect because of the

579
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 7: demand of questions that I be asked all the time.

580
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 7: And yeah, they definitely listening. And you know that they

581
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 7: are wiser, you know, because of the information they have

582
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 7: access to. You know, a lot of them are weaker,

583
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 7: but wiser. Yeah, you know. But yeah, I actually like

584
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 7: some of the things that they are doing. You know,

585
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 7: I think that they are more content ownership, is concerned,

586
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 7: more alert and on God than than I would generation.

587
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 7: So yeah, they some of them listen.

588
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: Speak speaking of that, you're here in town in Atlanta

589
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: for the A three C Conference and festival festival in conference,

590
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: excuse me, and you're gonna be speaking about your book

591
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: and about a lot of these lessons that you've learned

592
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: and what people are learning from you. And uh, this

593
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: episode comes out today's Friday. You can go right now

594
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: to a three C festival dot com and check out

595
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: what's going on. There's still a few days left. You

596
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: can go do some things this weekend, so check that

597
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: out for sure.

598
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Speaker 4: We got a couple quick, rapid fire questions for you,

599
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: just to close this thing out.

600
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Speaker 6: What's it like owning an island? How's that working out

601
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 6: for you? Oh?

602
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 7: Man, that's a that's a beautiful feeling to be in

603
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 7: a place like this, surrounded by water. And I never

604
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 7: saw a darkness that exists the way it exists around water.

605
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: And oh because there's no light pollution.

606
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, the stars are beautiful.

607
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 6: Do you have a secret hideout on your eye? Yes?

608
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 7: I do.

609
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Speaker 3: That's cool.

610
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: How much like what do we have to do to

611
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: come hang out with you sometime?

612
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: Oh man?

613
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 7: You know, just just ring me, stop giving me a call,

614
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 7: and we'll make it happen.

615
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 6: All right, Cool, I'm gonna take you up on that

616
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 6: one more.

617
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Speaker 2: What you got oh, yeah, sure, there are a lot

618
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: of rumors about you man, obviously. Yeah, do you have

619
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 2: a pig farm of some sort?

620
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 7: No, No, I don't have a pig farm, but I

621
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 7: do have a rants with a lot of black angles,

622
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 7: cattle and horses on.

623
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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

624
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we no pigs, well that one, yes, no pigs.

625
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: James Prince, thank you so much for taking the time

626
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: to come by our studio and fill us in on

627
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: a lot of things that the music industry may be

628
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't want artists and fans to know.

629
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 7: Right, absolutely, Hey, thank you all for having me.

630
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 6: Dude.

631
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 2: Courtesy message was awesome.

632
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 7: Thank you so good.

633
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: All right, we're back here with just the three of

634
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 2: us in the studio. That was pretty intense.

635
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 6: Huh. That was intense in a lot of levels.

636
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 4: I mean, mister Prince rolled in with a sizable posse,

637
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 4: and that was amazing and slightly intimidating, but ultimately cool

638
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: because they were all super cool, kind, nice people, as

639
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 4: was mister Prince himself, very generous with his time.

640
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 6: It was a bit of a crunch and we I

641
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 6: felt like we covered most of the bases that we

642
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 6: wanted to.

643
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we didn't really talk about how j Prince is

644
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: kind of a scary figure in a way, at least

645
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: according to a lot of rumors and a lot of

646
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: the legends about him.

647
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: I had a great time speaking with him.

648
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 6: Me too.

649
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: Reminds me of some people that in my family that

650
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: were older the meat that I grew up with. And

651
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: obviously has been asked some of these questions before, but

652
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: I think it's important, especially if you're listening to this

653
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: and you want to pursue a career in the music industry.

654
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: I think it's important to know a.

655
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: Lot of this stuff because, as we had brought up

656
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: before in the earlier interview, the music industry is notorious

657
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: for doing terrible things to people who are pursuing a

658
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: career in music in one way or another. And that's

659
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: stuff with Don King one hundred thousand dollars out of

660
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: two million that blew my mind.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I know well, and I didn't want to get

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Speaker 2: too deep into it, but the same thing is happening

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Speaker 2: with big, big organizations like the UFC and their fighters,

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Speaker 2: where they're making just millions and millions of dollars and

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Speaker 2: the fighters get paid like fifty to two hundred k,

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Speaker 2: sometimes less unless you're Connor McGregor.

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Speaker 3: That's you're Connor McGregor.

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Speaker 4: And you know it might not surprise some people that

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Speaker 4: there are remors flitting around about this guy, you know,

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Speaker 4: having to maybe crack some heads in his day or

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Speaker 4: have them cracked on his behalf because you don't get

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Speaker 4: to the top as a one man show by being

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Speaker 4: a sweetheart to everyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're absolutely right, the most dangerous person. Let's

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Speaker 2: go to a weird analogy here talking about bread and

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Speaker 2: making bread, some of the old sayings here, I am interested.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, no, the idea paint the picture for us.

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Speaker 2: The idea is that you can eat bread. That's great, right,

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Speaker 2: if you know how to make bread, you can feed yourself.

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Speaker 2: And if you can make bread like in your house,

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Speaker 2: that's great. You can feed a couple of your friends

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Speaker 2: and your family. But if you build a bread factory,

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Speaker 2: give me like a bakery, a bread factory where you

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Speaker 2: can literally start feeding everyone sure in your area, that

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Speaker 2: makes you a very dangerous person because the people that

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Speaker 2: usually sell the bread, they can't sell it anymore because

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Speaker 2: you're making it, probably at a little cheaper price, and

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Speaker 2: you're giving it. Maybe you're giving some way just that

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Speaker 2: whole idea of being controlled by an outside.

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Speaker 3: Force versus owning the means of production.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not to get too cart that, Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. Was that stupid though?

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Speaker 6: No, no, no no.

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Speaker 4: And that's a big part about his struggle with the

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Speaker 4: record industry too, is because this is a guy that

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Speaker 4: kind of came in built his own model where he

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Speaker 4: owns the means of production, he does it himself, or

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Speaker 4: he leagues up with just the bits of the bigger

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Speaker 4: distros and labels that he needs and then says, I

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Speaker 4: don't need the rest of this, you know. Yeah, And

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Speaker 4: that is a model that's kind of coming back around

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00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: now in terms of independent labels doing well in terms

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Speaker 4: of individual artists more owning the means of production, in

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Speaker 4: terms of being able to afford to press their own

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Speaker 4: stuff more cheaply, or release it digitally or make money touring.

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Speaker 4: And I guess the issue is there's maybe not millions

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Speaker 4: and billions to be made as much anymore as there

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Speaker 4: were in the old days, except for a very small

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Speaker 4: elite group of people that are still largely controlled by

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Speaker 4: the big record labels. But it's still interesting to see

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Speaker 4: that evolution and see how he looks at the way

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Speaker 4: things are now.

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Speaker 6: It just sounds like he doesn't have a.

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Speaker 4: Completely bad outlook on it, but it also doesn't sound

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Speaker 4: like he's a huge fan of the current digital you know,

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Speaker 4: artist driven right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there there were a ton of questions that we

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Speaker 1: didn't get to, and we wanted to make sure we

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Speaker 1: got to the things that were more in the in

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Speaker 1: the realm of cover ups, the things that would be

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Speaker 1: helpful to you and your fellow listeners. But we left

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Speaker 1: the interview with several questions still there. Oh, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to take time to say, Oh, what do you think

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Speaker 1: of this scientific artist? What do you think of this person?

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask him honestly about Kanye in his

726
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: recent SNL appearance, there's this whole Yeah, he gave this

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Speaker 2: whole speech at the end after the show stopped being performance.

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Speaker 2: Well it was it was the third performance. Ah, like

729
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Speaker 2: at the end where you know, everybody comes out on

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Speaker 2: stage and everything. Kanye did another song and they had

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Speaker 2: to cut it off because it was like one oh

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Speaker 2: two or something. It ends at one o'clock in the morning,

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Speaker 2: and then he gave just a really long speech. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: if you haven't watched that yet you can find it online.

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Speaker 2: There's some interesting stuff in there that I think we

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Speaker 2: should probably explore, having to do with accusations about Democrats

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Speaker 2: setting up the black community to fail.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I do remember that part.

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Speaker 1: You can see the speech on YouTube, but it might

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Speaker 1: be in a bootleg version. I think SNL cut it

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Speaker 1: for their West Coast.

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Speaker 2: Chris Rock actually filmed a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, so let us know what you think about cover

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Speaker 1: ups in the music industry, about the ways in which

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Speaker 1: the US government or other governments may persecute musicians or entertainers.

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Speaker 1: You know, how do governments navigate or negotiate with cultural

747
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: power centers? Yeah, you know, and we want to hear

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Speaker 1: your thoughts. We also want to give you a brief

749
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: reef spoiler. We are going to have some more music

750
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: industry episodes along the way. You might be surprised by

751
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: who writes your favorite pop song? Oh that's all we

752
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: got for that.

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Speaker 2: That's a good spoiler. Should we just go ahead right

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00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: now while we have a chance and just call out

755
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: the culture kings, like officially, what do you mean and

756
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: just say we heard it, We heard what you said,

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Speaker 2: that's all.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm having fun with that.

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Speaker 2: We heard what you said.

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Speaker 6: And this aggression will not stand.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it will not Oh no.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But we love you guys, and you know we look

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Speaker 2: forward to putting out the episode that we just did together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Matt loves you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm playing so yeah. Jai, Chies, Edgar that's their names.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the Thanks so much for the

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Speaker 1: shout out, Thanks for the call out. Great to be

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Speaker 1: on the air, and we're talking with you soon. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, you can find.

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Speaker 2: And that's the end of this classic episode. If you

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