WEBVTT - Legally Brunette: Nancy Guthrie Updates

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<v Speaker 1>Hi guys, Welcome to another episode Illegally Brunette. I will

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<v Speaker 1>be your host Emily Simpson with Shane and today we

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<v Speaker 1>are doing a little special episode to keep you updated

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<v Speaker 1>on the Nancy Guthrie situation, which is the eighty four

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<v Speaker 1>year old mother of Savannah Guthrie who has been we believe,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I mean, we're not exactly sure, but abducted,

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<v Speaker 1>kidnapped something, and a lot of information has come out,

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<v Speaker 1>so we are giving you the information as we know

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<v Speaker 1>it up to this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>So and the latest is, well, the latest.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing I heard right before we started recording was that

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<v Speaker 1>there was another ransom type of note that went to TMZ.

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<v Speaker 1>But your understanding is it's not that person doesn't have her.

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<v Speaker 1>They claim to have information.

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<v Speaker 2>They know who the person is, and they want and

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<v Speaker 2>in exchange for one bitcoin they will release that information.

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<v Speaker 1>And what is bitcoin at currently? Do you know how

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<v Speaker 1>much this one this morning was sixty six thousand, sixty

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<v Speaker 1>six I actually have.

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<v Speaker 2>Asked for it about a month would have been one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it a month ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I need to look at my Yeah, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>you were bragging about how like I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is, but I made some money I did. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're back down to zero. No, it's not zero. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I went back down to what you probably bought it

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<v Speaker 2>probably so.

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<v Speaker 1>The latest information is a person of interest was detained

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<v Speaker 1>last night and released early this morning. In this case, so,

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<v Speaker 1>the Pima County Sheriff's apartment said deputies detained a subject

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<v Speaker 1>during a traffic stop south of Tucson, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>last night. This morning, Carlos Palazuelos told Telemundo in Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>that his home, where authorities conducted a search the previous evening,

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<v Speaker 1>was entered under a warrant. He said both the front

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<v Speaker 1>and back doors were damaged during the process. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he was searched by investigators and briefly detained in questioned

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<v Speaker 1>in connection with the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, but has

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<v Speaker 1>since been released. Carlos said that investigators told him he

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<v Speaker 1>resembled the individual captured in security footage from Guthrie's home,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the FBI had recently made public. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>see those photos and videos of the suspects photos?

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<v Speaker 2>No, but just the one video I mean of the porch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, Well, in our last episode where we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this. We talked about how someone had removed the

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<v Speaker 1>the ring camera and you said because I said, well, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>then if someone removed it, there would be video footage

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<v Speaker 1>of them walking up to it and removed it.

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<v Speaker 2>But now we were saying she didn't have the subscription, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't preserved, right, But apparently it was put

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in some clouds somewhere and someone is able to

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<v Speaker 2>tap into it and extract it.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though she didn't have a subscription where it

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<v Speaker 1>was being saved somewhere, it was still being saved somewhere, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when you delete something on a computer, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>really deleted. Yeah, it's just kind of set aside. It's

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<v Speaker 2>deleted accessible.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as when you look at your computer, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't see it, right, But when you have someone tech

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<v Speaker 1>savvy who's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sort of like you throw something away and it's

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<v Speaker 2>out in the bin, but it's not really gone gone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just out in the side yard in the bin.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you look at those when you watch it,

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at the video surveillance, I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>is creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's covered head to toe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh you can see the eyes and his gun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Has a backpack and his gun is oddly placed like

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<v Speaker 2>in front, like right above his crotch, like if he

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<v Speaker 2>wants it seen or something. And then didn't he grab

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<v Speaker 2>flowers and like I cover it up with flowers that

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<v Speaker 2>his hand, like some plants or something like he was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out, like can I can I stick

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<v Speaker 2>these flowers on here and cover it?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I don't know, I'm just gonna rip the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably, but it shows you, assuming he didn't stage this,

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<v Speaker 2>it shows you that maybe he didn't plan that part.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean, you're saying because it was so haphazard and

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<v Speaker 1>he's trying to cover it with plants that he walked up,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize there would be ring footage, and then thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Now be someone that knows there's a reen camera there,

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<v Speaker 2>like a family member, a vendor or someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point, just a thought. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>good thought. So the FBI shared nest doorbell camera footage

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<v Speaker 1>captured outside of Nancy Guthrie's home on the night she vanished.

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<v Speaker 1>The video appears to show a masked individual carrying a weapon,

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<v Speaker 1>and as you said, he's carrying it crotch height, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and claim the person seemed to have tampered with the camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Crotch height, waist height above the cross oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, above the crotch clear insight in plain sight. CNN

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<v Speaker 1>correspondent and former FBI agent Josh Campbell said the video

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<v Speaker 1>is helpful in the investigative process, highlighting techniques like pulling

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<v Speaker 1>up foliage from the yard to cover the camera as

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting tactic used alongside the full body clothing and mask.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that is interesting what you said, though, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good takeaway that maybe he had no idea, there

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<v Speaker 1>was ranny. He just kind of panicked and didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. So he's like grabbing foliage out of

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<v Speaker 1>the yard and trying to cover it and stick it

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<v Speaker 1>on there, and it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay supervising right.

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<v Speaker 1>This major development was made possible in part by technical

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<v Speaker 1>assistance from Google, according to a source familiar with the case,

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<v Speaker 1>Because Google owns Nest, the company helped to retrieve information

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<v Speaker 1>from the Nest doorbell camera at Guthrie's home. The data

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<v Speaker 1>recovery reportedly took several days and involved a highly complex process,

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<v Speaker 1>and investigators were initially unsure whether it would work. Google

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<v Speaker 1>has not issued a public response.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this is Google saying, see you all need to

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<v Speaker 2>subscribe her nest camera is look what it provided and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was very difficult for us without a subscription.

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<v Speaker 2>We will not be doing this again.

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<v Speaker 1>But right shortly after the footage was made public, Savannah

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<v Speaker 1>Guthrie shared a renewed statement from the family, stating, we

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<v Speaker 1>believe she is still alive. Let me, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that she's still alive at this point eleven days later?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I hope I'm wrong. But they kept saying

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<v Speaker 2>like she needs her meds, she's not going to survive.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen picture her. She looked really frail. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>she's older obviously, and there was some blood. And how

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<v Speaker 2>long has it been. I mean, if they're I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think they're really going to be providing for

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<v Speaker 2>her and caring for her as she needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>in her age and physical unfitness.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. No, I don't know. But let's go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the guy they detained last night. They said

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<v Speaker 1>that that he was detained because he resembled the guy

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<v Speaker 1>in the footage. But how does anyone resemble the guy

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<v Speaker 1>in the footage?

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<v Speaker 2>You have two eyes in a mouth, yeah, just like

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<v Speaker 2>that man.

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<v Speaker 1>In the footage, right, I mean, there's there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>to resemble anything. The guy's covered from head to toe.

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<v Speaker 1>I did here. I did see when I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>scrolling my main news sources Instagram, that he might have

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<v Speaker 1>owned or maybe possibly owned a white van which had

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<v Speaker 1>been seen earlier in that neighborhood. There was an unmarked

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<v Speaker 1>white van that was seen. I been van like a

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<v Speaker 1>white weird kidnapping van scene in Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood, and

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<v Speaker 1>a neighborhood reported it. I believe it was a week

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<v Speaker 1>or two.

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<v Speaker 2>Before, so that's another before she was abducted.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think it had any markings. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even think I believe that maybe it didn't even have

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<v Speaker 1>a license plate. So it was very suspicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Working to ten days and she needs medication, and she's frail,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's blood and there's just random kind of sporadic

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<v Speaker 2>ransom notes with very you know, a little. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unlikely law enforcement has searched Annie Guthrie's home again

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<v Speaker 1>and Annie Guthrie we know is a sibling a daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>so Sheriff's deputies are continuing their search efforts in Annie

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<v Speaker 1>Guthrie's neighborhood, going door to door and asking residents for

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<v Speaker 1>permission to check their properties. Personnel from multiple agencies are onseen,

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<v Speaker 1>including individuals wearing FBI shirts as well as Sheriff's Department

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<v Speaker 1>vests and caps. Several officials have been observed moving through

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<v Speaker 1>the area, some carrying notepads. At Pima County Sheriff's Department

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<v Speaker 1>Search and Rescue vehicle has also been spotted near the home.

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<v Speaker 1>Authorities were present at Annie Guthrie's residence over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the home appeared dark with window coverings closed in

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<v Speaker 1>our minute, bright flashes, possibly from investigative photography, were reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>visible inside. Nancy Guthrie has had been visiting Annie's home

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<v Speaker 1>for dinner the evening before she was reported missing. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was the sibling that the mother was out to

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<v Speaker 1>dinner with. Yeah, and then allegedly was dropped off at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But you know what's weird. I think I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>this before, how she took an uber to dinner, But

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<v Speaker 2>then what's dropped off? I'm not saying the family did anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but that is that is like why one way not

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<v Speaker 2>the other? Even on they said uber, I thought, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like, why wouldn't you go pick up your mother

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<v Speaker 2>and bring her over for dinner?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we know your parents are elderly and they

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<v Speaker 1>have trouble with uber and I know you.

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<v Speaker 2>Even then, I wouldn't say them an uber if they're

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<v Speaker 2>not far away, because that seems more steps to take

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<v Speaker 2>for them to get over here then for me to

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<v Speaker 2>just go pick them up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe she was somewhere else, and then I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't and then took an uber to well there

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<v Speaker 1>are reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>There are reasons for it to happen. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 2>it's noteworthy, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But my question is if there is the ring doorbell

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<v Speaker 1>on the porch and they could find footage of this

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<v Speaker 1>the guy with the foliage and you know, the alleged

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<v Speaker 1>abductor or whoever he is, do they have footage of

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<v Speaker 1>her coming home? Would she enter through the front or

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, she went through the garage, because there's the.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're not seeing anything other than that porch from

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<v Speaker 2>that camera, But there was blood on the front porch,

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<v Speaker 2>like on the gravel, I think or something.

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<v Speaker 1>So where is the footage of how the blood got there?

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<v Speaker 2>He took the camera once he ripped it off, it

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<v Speaker 2>was not recording.

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<v Speaker 1>So he completely removed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the video you see is before he ripped

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<v Speaker 2>it off the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So one of the ransom notes deadlines has already passed,

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<v Speaker 1>asted as the reported Monday deadline approach for Nancy Guthrie's

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<v Speaker 1>family to pay. A ransom specialist said authorities still appear

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<v Speaker 1>to be assessing whether the demands are actually coming from

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<v Speaker 1>the real kidnappers. Two unconfirmed messages sent to news organizations

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<v Speaker 1>claimed responsibility for abducting the eighty four year old from

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<v Speaker 1>her Arizona home and set a five pm cut off

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<v Speaker 1>for a bitcoin payment. While law enforcement has said the

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<v Speaker 1>communications are being treated seriously, officials have not verified that

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<v Speaker 1>they are legitimate.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it almost seems like it's one reason to

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<v Speaker 2>think it's not legitimate, is don't they keep pushing the

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<v Speaker 2>goalpost further? Like okay, now this is the deadline. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now this is the deadline.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's also multiple notes, which makes it difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>ascertain is one of them legitimate and another isn't are

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<v Speaker 1>they copycat ransom notes? Are they just weirdos out there

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<v Speaker 1>that some I'll know a lot about what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>And why are they?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are ransom notes? Is TMZ now the new ransom

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<v Speaker 1>note receiver of information? Like tmzs just going there?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they are a source? And everyone knows them? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you know how to contact TMZ is go

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<v Speaker 2>on the app or email, But like your local news affiliate,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you're going to research who to send it

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<v Speaker 2>to and hope it gets received. So I think TMZ

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<v Speaker 2>is just a very obvious, like catchy kind of media

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<v Speaker 2>outlet that you can reach out to easily, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I see it to get disseminated.

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<v Speaker 1>When I'm on Instagram on my main news source, I

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of I see a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody's talking about this case. I mean everybody's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and a lot of people do the body language,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where they read the body language of like

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha Guglary and her siblings when they've made the videos,

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<v Speaker 1>and they analyze that and whether it's legitimate and whether

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<v Speaker 1>you know what their body language says and what their

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<v Speaker 1>voice says and everything. I just I don't know to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like grieving siblings that don't Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are we trying to interpret them?

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<v Speaker 1>Because everybody always looks at the family first. I mean everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we know the the son in law has

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<v Speaker 1>been under speculation. There's been alleged rumors out there that

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<v Speaker 1>he had something to do with it, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>they're searching the sisters home, and you know they always

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<v Speaker 1>look at family first. Yeah, So all right, Savanthah Guthrie's speech.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people have said this that her speech

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<v Speaker 1>mirrored the Silence of the Lambs quote, and I thought

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<v Speaker 1>this was interesting because.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, a little background, sis Lamb. Yes, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>horror movie about a murderer, an abductor and murderer, and

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<v Speaker 2>then one of the there's a victim in the movie

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<v Speaker 2>that's abducted, a young girl and then of a political

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<v Speaker 2>figure like a local congresswoman or something, and so she

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<v Speaker 2>goes on the media and pleas for her daughter's return.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, okay there, And I have to tell you, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a nineties movie. My sister loves Silence of the Lambs,

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<v Speaker 1>which is odd. Maybe I don't know, but she loves

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<v Speaker 1>Silence of the Lambs. We had it on VHS tape

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<v Speaker 1>and she played it all the time. So I have

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<v Speaker 1>seen Silence of the lamp I couldn't even tell you

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<v Speaker 1>how many times I've seen Silence of the Lambs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you didn't put it together that their plea for

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<v Speaker 2>their mother was the same as Silence of the Lambs.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't recognize this speech. But when when I

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<v Speaker 1>saw this side by side, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, oh, that's it, just a side by side show.

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<v Speaker 1>So on February fourth, Savannah Guthrie appeared and a recorded

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<v Speaker 1>appeal alongside her siblings Annie and Cameron, addressing the individuals

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<v Speaker 1>believed to have taken their mother. In the video, Savannah

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<v Speaker 1>made an emotional plea aimed at appealing to the captor's compassion.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, Nancy is full of kindness and knowledge. Talk

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<v Speaker 1>to her and you'll see, and her voice was shaking. However,

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<v Speaker 1>some viewers observed that Savannah's wording echoed a moment from

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen ninety one film The Silence of the Lambs

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<v Speaker 1>and which as senator publicly pleads for her kidnapped daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>In that scene, Senator Ruth Martin tells the cameras Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>is very gentle and kind talk to her and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see using similar language to humanize her child. Well, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, when I saw people doing the side by

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<v Speaker 1>side and then saying it was weird or it's like

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<v Speaker 1>something out of a movie, or there's something suspicious or

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<v Speaker 1>nefarious about this, my takeaway was, there's nothing nefarious about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because Silence of the Lambs was accurate and actually

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<v Speaker 1>had probably an FBI consultant who they used, who gave

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<v Speaker 1>them the proper language that you use when you are

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<v Speaker 1>appealing to someone who has been kidnapped or abducted, because

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<v Speaker 1>I would assume that the f has done their research

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<v Speaker 1>in due diligence and psychological testing to know what type

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<v Speaker 1>of language to use in a situation like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to offend the person. You don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to make them escalate things or.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to anger them. You also want to humanize the

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<v Speaker 1>person that they've abducted.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to her and you'll see give her.

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<v Speaker 1>A name, so she says Nancy, just like in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie she says Catherine. So to me, it wasn't nefarious

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<v Speaker 1>or weird. I thought, well, in the movie, they were accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>They consulted an FBI agent Because Sterling Starling or Sterling

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<v Speaker 1>Starling was an FBI agent, so you know they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to use the correct language when they're appealing to a kidnapper.

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<v Speaker 1>And so obviously that hasn't changed since nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still the same need to update the playbook.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I guess it doesn't need updated. It's

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<v Speaker 1>still the same psychological appeal, the same language in order

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<v Speaker 1>to humanize the person. So also, I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>ask your opinion. I love a good conspiracy theory, and

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<v Speaker 1>I see a lot online about how possibly this doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have anything to do with just an abduction that has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with money or bitcoin, but it has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with maybe Savannah Guthrie interviewing Epstein victims, and then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it has something to do with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so you don't think so that's a stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, that's just your takeaway.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think so, that's my opinion. Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think so. That's a stretch. Also, I don't think you

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<v Speaker 2>should think so, do you think? So?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, I'll tell you. I find myself sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>going down a rabbit hole on this. At all the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein files that have been released and it becomes so just.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think it is. I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>downplaying any of the Epstein stuff, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it has to do with us. That's too far fetched.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, because then why would they give the

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<v Speaker 2>so now what they return the mother, get the money,

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<v Speaker 2>and then how does that change anything of this supposed

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<v Speaker 2>theory that it has to do with Epstein files.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm just saying maybe she was targeted

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<v Speaker 1>because she.

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<v Speaker 2>Said I don't interview the victims, or they would have

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<v Speaker 2>kidnapped her and killed her, or I mean, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make any sense that it's like I have your mother

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to return her for money and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>that'll get you to stop talking about the Epstein file.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know either. All right, that was just a theory.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want a theory. You just want some I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I love.

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<v Speaker 1>A good conspiracy theory. I don't know. Maybe there's a connection.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe there's not. I think more likely,

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<v Speaker 2>although not likely, but more likely than this supposed theory

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<v Speaker 2>is whoever dropped her off like the sunloss, And maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there's something there, But then why would why would she

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<v Speaker 2>go inside the house then be hit or hurt or

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<v Speaker 2>injured and then taking out the front door. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe okay, how about oh no, we

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<v Speaker 2>think she was abducted at two in the morning, right

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<v Speaker 2>when the pacemaker stopped connecting to her phone or watch okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was thinking maybe she got dropped off and

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<v Speaker 2>there was some connection where they knew the abductors, like

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<v Speaker 2>the son in law dropped her off and then kind

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<v Speaker 2>of coordinated. But too many hours had passed to really

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<v Speaker 2>keep it like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was joint venture eleven days and we hope that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a happy ending to this and we will continue to

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<v Speaker 1>follow it. So thank you for listening. As always, you

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<v Speaker 2>Send Emily any of your conspiracy theories and she'll entertain them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh please, stories, I love to hear it. Tell me

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