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Speaker 1: Hi guys, Welcome to another episode Illegally Brunette. I will

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Speaker 1: be your host Emily Simpson with Shane and today we

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Speaker 1: are doing a little special episode to keep you updated

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Speaker 1: on the Nancy Guthrie situation, which is the eighty four

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Speaker 1: year old mother of Savannah Guthrie who has been we believe,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, we're not exactly sure, but abducted,

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Speaker 1: kidnapped something, and a lot of information has come out,

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Speaker 1: so we are giving you the information as we know

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Speaker 1: it up to this moment.

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Speaker 2: So and the latest is, well, the latest.

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Speaker 1: Thing I heard right before we started recording was that

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Speaker 1: there was another ransom type of note that went to TMZ.

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Speaker 1: But your understanding is it's not that person doesn't have her.

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Speaker 1: They claim to have information.

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Speaker 2: They know who the person is, and they want and

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Speaker 2: in exchange for one bitcoin they will release that information.

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Speaker 1: And what is bitcoin at currently? Do you know how

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Speaker 1: much this one this morning was sixty six thousand, sixty

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Speaker 1: six I actually have.

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Speaker 2: Asked for it about a month would have been one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand.

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Speaker 1: Was it a month ago?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I need to look at my Yeah, I remember

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Speaker 2: you were bragging about how like I don't even know

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Speaker 2: what it is, but I made some money I did. Well,

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Speaker 2: you're back down to zero. No, it's not zero. Well,

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Speaker 2: I went back down to what you probably bought it

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Speaker 2: probably so.

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Speaker 1: The latest information is a person of interest was detained

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Speaker 1: last night and released early this morning. In this case, so,

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Speaker 1: the Pima County Sheriff's apartment said deputies detained a subject

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Speaker 1: during a traffic stop south of Tucson, and this was

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Speaker 1: last night. This morning, Carlos Palazuelos told Telemundo in Spanish

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Speaker 1: that his home, where authorities conducted a search the previous evening,

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Speaker 1: was entered under a warrant. He said both the front

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Speaker 1: he was searched by investigators and briefly detained in questioned

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Speaker 1: in connection with the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, but has

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Speaker 1: since been released. Carlos said that investigators told him he

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Speaker 1: resembled the individual captured in security footage from Guthrie's home,

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Speaker 1: and that the FBI had recently made public. Did you

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Speaker 1: see those photos and videos of the suspects photos?

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Speaker 2: No, but just the one video I mean of the porch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, in our last episode where we talked

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Speaker 1: about this. We talked about how someone had removed the

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Speaker 1: the ring camera and you said because I said, well, obviously,

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Speaker 1: then if someone removed it, there would be video footage

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Speaker 1: of them walking up to it and removed it.

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Speaker 2: But now we were saying she didn't have the subscription, right,

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Speaker 2: so it wasn't preserved, right, But apparently it was put

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Speaker 2: somewhere in some clouds somewhere and someone is able to

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Speaker 2: tap into it and extract it.

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Speaker 1: So even though she didn't have a subscription where it

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Speaker 1: was being saved somewhere, it was still being saved somewhere, right.

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Speaker 2: Like when you delete something on a computer, it's not

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Speaker 2: really deleted. Yeah, it's just kind of set aside. It's

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Speaker 2: deleted accessible.

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Speaker 1: As far as when you look at your computer, you

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Speaker 1: don't see it, right, But when you have someone tech

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Speaker 1: savvy who's doing.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like you throw something away and it's

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Speaker 2: out in the bin, but it's not really gone gone.

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Speaker 2: It's just out in the side yard in the bin.

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Speaker 1: So when you look at those when you watch it,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the video surveillance, I mean it

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Speaker 1: is creepy.

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Speaker 2: He's covered head to toe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you can see the eyes and his gun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he.

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Speaker 2: Has a backpack and his gun is oddly placed like

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Speaker 2: in front, like right above his crotch, like if he

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Speaker 2: wants it seen or something. And then didn't he grab

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Speaker 2: flowers and like I cover it up with flowers that

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out, like can I can I stick

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Speaker 1: And then I don't know, I'm just gonna rip the

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Speaker 2: Probably, but it shows you, assuming he didn't stage this,

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Speaker 2: it shows you that maybe he didn't plan that part.

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Speaker 1: You mean, you're saying because it was so haphazard and

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Speaker 1: he's trying to cover it with plants that he walked up,

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Speaker 1: didn't realize there would be ring footage, and then thought.

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Speaker 2: Now be someone that knows there's a reen camera there,

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Speaker 2: like a family member, a vendor or someone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point, just a thought. That's a

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Speaker 1: good thought. So the FBI shared nest doorbell camera footage

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Speaker 1: captured outside of Nancy Guthrie's home on the night she vanished.

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Speaker 1: The video appears to show a masked individual carrying a weapon,

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Speaker 1: and as you said, he's carrying it crotch height, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and claim the person seemed to have tampered with the camera.

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Speaker 2: Crotch height, waist height above the cross oh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, above the crotch clear insight in plain sight. CNN

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Speaker 1: correspondent and former FBI agent Josh Campbell said the video

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Speaker 1: is helpful in the investigative process, highlighting techniques like pulling

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Speaker 1: up foliage from the yard to cover the camera as

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Speaker 1: an interesting tactic used alongside the full body clothing and mask.

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Speaker 1: You know, that is interesting what you said, though, that's

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Speaker 1: a good takeaway that maybe he had no idea, there

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Speaker 1: was ranny. He just kind of panicked and didn't know

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Speaker 1: what to do. So he's like grabbing foliage out of

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Speaker 2: Stay supervising right.

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Speaker 1: This major development was made possible in part by technical

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Speaker 1: assistance from Google, according to a source familiar with the case,

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Speaker 1: Because Google owns Nest, the company helped to retrieve information

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Speaker 1: from the Nest doorbell camera at Guthrie's home. The data

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Speaker 1: recovery reportedly took several days and involved a highly complex process,

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Speaker 1: and investigators were initially unsure whether it would work. Google

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Speaker 1: has not issued a public response.

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Speaker 2: Is this is Google saying, see you all need to

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Speaker 2: subscribe her nest camera is look what it provided and it.

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Speaker 1: Was very difficult for us without a subscription.

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Speaker 2: We will not be doing this again.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe, So subscribe, push subscribe here with Luke always say subscribe.

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Speaker 2: Believe that subscribe.

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Speaker 1: But right shortly after the footage was made public, Savannah

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Speaker 1: Guthrie shared a renewed statement from the family, stating, we

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Speaker 1: believe she is still alive. Let me, do you think

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Speaker 1: that she's still alive at this point eleven days later?

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Speaker 1: You don't know?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I hope I'm wrong. But they kept saying

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Speaker 2: like she needs her meds, she's not going to survive.

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Speaker 2: I've seen picture her. She looked really frail. I mean,

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Speaker 2: she's older obviously, and there was some blood. And how

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Speaker 2: long has it been. I mean, if they're I mean,

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Speaker 2: do you think they're really going to be providing for

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Speaker 2: in her age and physical unfitness.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. No, I don't know. But let's go

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Speaker 1: back to the guy they detained last night. They said

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Speaker 1: that that he was detained because he resembled the guy

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Speaker 2: You have two eyes in a mouth, yeah, just like

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Speaker 1: In the footage, right, I mean, there's there's no way

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Speaker 1: I did here. I did see when I was, you know,

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Speaker 1: scrolling my main news sources Instagram, that he might have

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Speaker 1: owned or maybe possibly owned a white van which had

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Speaker 1: been seen earlier in that neighborhood. There was an unmarked

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Speaker 1: white van that was seen. I been van like a

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Speaker 1: white weird kidnapping van scene in Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood, and

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Speaker 1: a neighborhood reported it. I believe it was a week

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Speaker 2: Before, so that's another before she was abducted.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think it had any markings. I don't

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Speaker 2: Working to ten days and she needs medication, and she's frail,

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Speaker 2: and there's blood and there's just random kind of sporadic

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Speaker 2: ransom notes with very you know, a little. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's unlikely law enforcement has searched Annie Guthrie's home again

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Speaker 1: and Annie Guthrie we know is a sibling a daughter,

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Speaker 1: so Sheriff's deputies are continuing their search efforts in Annie

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Speaker 1: permission to check their properties. Personnel from multiple agencies are onseen,

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Speaker 1: Search and Rescue vehicle has also been spotted near the home.

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Speaker 1: Authorities were present at Annie Guthrie's residence over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Although the home appeared dark with window coverings closed in

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Speaker 1: our minute, bright flashes, possibly from investigative photography, were reportedly

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Speaker 1: visible inside. Nancy Guthrie has had been visiting Annie's home

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Speaker 1: that was the sibling that the mother was out to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But you know what's weird. I think I mentioned

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Speaker 2: this before, how she took an uber to dinner, But

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Speaker 2: then what's dropped off? I'm not saying the family did anything,

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Speaker 2: that's like, why wouldn't you go pick up your mother

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we know your parents are elderly and they

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Speaker 2: Even then, I wouldn't say them an uber if they're

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Speaker 2: not far away, because that seems more steps to take

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Speaker 2: for them to get over here then for me to

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe she was somewhere else, and then I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't and then took an uber to well there

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Speaker 2: There are reasons for it to happen. I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: it's noteworthy, okay.

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Speaker 1: But my question is if there is the ring doorbell

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Speaker 1: the guy with the foliage and you know, the alleged

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Speaker 1: abductor or whoever he is, do they have footage of

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Speaker 1: her coming home? Would she enter through the front or

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Speaker 1: that's right, she went through the garage, because there's the.

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Speaker 2: And you're not seeing anything other than that porch from

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Speaker 2: that camera, But there was blood on the front porch,

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Speaker 2: like on the gravel, I think or something.

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Speaker 1: So where is the footage of how the blood got there?

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Speaker 2: He took the camera once he ripped it off, it

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Speaker 1: So he completely removed it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the video you see is before he ripped

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Speaker 2: it off the wall.

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Speaker 1: Right, So one of the ransom notes deadlines has already passed,

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Speaker 1: asted as the reported Monday deadline approach for Nancy Guthrie's

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Speaker 1: family to pay. A ransom specialist said authorities still appear

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Speaker 1: to be assessing whether the demands are actually coming from

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Speaker 1: the real kidnappers. Two unconfirmed messages sent to news organizations

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Speaker 1: claimed responsibility for abducting the eighty four year old from

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Speaker 1: her Arizona home and set a five pm cut off

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Speaker 1: for a bitcoin payment. While law enforcement has said the

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Speaker 1: communications are being treated seriously, officials have not verified that

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Speaker 1: they are legitimate.

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Speaker 2: You know, it almost seems like it's one reason to

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Speaker 2: think it's not legitimate, is don't they keep pushing the

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Speaker 2: goalpost further? Like okay, now this is the deadline. Okay,

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Speaker 2: now this is the deadline.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's also multiple notes, which makes it difficult to

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Speaker 1: A good conspiracy theory. I don't know. Maybe there's a connection.

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Speaker 1: Was joint venture eleven days and we hope that there's

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Speaker 2: Send Emily any of your conspiracy theories and she'll entertain them.

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