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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, our normal Friday fair. This week, Bob

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Speaker 1: Poppa sits down with a coach of the Giants, Brian Dable,

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Speaker 1: a Jaguars preview, Lance Metto and Paul Latino. Talk to

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Speaker 1: lead off with my sit down with Giant safety Davy McKinney.

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Speaker 1: Same deal. We just published on Thursday our newest draft season.

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Speaker 1: As we continue to track college football, who the emerging

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Speaker 1: We get in the draft season here, so again find

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it. We'll lead off with

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Speaker 1: my interview with Giant safety Davier McKinney. And now we're

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Speaker 1: joined by Giants safety Davian McKinney. Is a good to

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Speaker 1: be with you, man. How are you I'm doing well,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. How are you doing then? I'm doing great? Dude.

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Speaker 1: Uh so you're five and one. I'm gonna ask you

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Speaker 1: a really simple question, but I think the answer is complicated.

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Speaker 1: How have you guys gotten the five and one? What

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Speaker 1: you get there. Um, well, I think you know, just

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Speaker 1: But we've always had a tight knit group. Um even

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Speaker 1: the last two years, the two years that I've been here,

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Speaker 1: our group has always been really close. UM. Offense defense, defense, offense.

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Speaker 1: So um, it's nothing new, man. We just could have

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Speaker 1: continue to to build relationships with each other. And um,

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Speaker 1: already answered the question then is my father was gonna be?

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Speaker 1: Is there like a secret sauce? The winning all these

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Speaker 1: close games? Every game you've been it has been a

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Speaker 1: I think you know, when you got a team, a

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Speaker 1: when you could be more aggressive. Do you sense that

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Speaker 1: now it's awesome. Man. You mentioned the green dot. What's

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Speaker 1: Now they're given Daniel Jones a whole host of opportunities

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Speaker 1: to do things. Yeah, and and they have to be

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Speaker 1: careful about that because you know, Doug Peterson has experienced

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Speaker 1: playing Daniel Jones, who has ripped off a couple of

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Speaker 1: big runs when against the Eagles when Doug Peterson was

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Speaker 1: coaching the Eagles. Um, And that's the thing they're they're

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Speaker 1: a little bit concerned about. I mean, the number one

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Speaker 1: priority obviously is stopping take one Barkley, and if you

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Speaker 1: don't stop him, you have no chance of winning that game.

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Speaker 1: And maybe stopping isn't the right word. Limiting, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: limiting what And that's gonna be their top thing this week.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line, like you said, is don't get

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Speaker 1: so concerned with that that they're vulnerable. In the past

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Speaker 1: game and again those Corners. Tyson Campbell's had a solid year,

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Speaker 1: but Shack Griffin, who they signed last year as a

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Speaker 1: free agent out of Seattle, has just really not had

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Speaker 1: a good year. He gave up the winning touchdown last week.

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Speaker 1: He was partly responsible for the game winning touchdown in

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Speaker 1: Week one against the Commanders late in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: He gave up a long pass there. So those guys

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Speaker 1: are vulnerable, that secondary is vulnerable. And what we've seen

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Speaker 1: out of Trayvon Walker, the number one overall pick, has

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Speaker 1: been you know, a really hot start in the first

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Speaker 1: two weeks, and then since then the biggest contributions he's

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Speaker 1: made has been too roughing the pass for penalties that

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Speaker 1: extended drives in consecutive weeks that ended up in touchdown. Um,

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Speaker 1: so he's got to start playing better. So they if

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Speaker 1: they're just gonna load up on Barkley and then still

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Speaker 1: not be able to get to Daniel Jones, then then

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Speaker 1: it could be a long day and it could be

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Speaker 1: one of those games that are not on one score loss.

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Speaker 1: We're talking with MIKEL Roco, who covers the Jaguars for ESPN. Mike,

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Speaker 1: I want a piggyback off of your point about Trayvon Walker,

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Speaker 1: because what you were alluding to is he had the

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Speaker 1: sack in week one. Since then, we haven't seen maybe

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Speaker 1: those disrupting plays, but it seems as if he's still

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Speaker 1: getting pressures, very similar to Cavon Thibodou, who the Giants

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Speaker 1: drafted by in the first round, who has the one

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Speaker 1: strip sack, but outside of that he's been quiet. However,

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Speaker 1: we're seeing that he's still creating opportunities for teammates and

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Speaker 1: still getting pressures. So, I know you just referenced the

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Speaker 1: roughing the passer, but for individuals that haven't watched the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars closely, what if anything is he doing to perhaps

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Speaker 1: set up his teammates which doesn't necessarily pop up in

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Speaker 1: the box score in a weekly basis. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: teams are after those first two weeks, teams are looking

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Speaker 1: at him a little bit differently. I mean, he's he's

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Speaker 1: so raw as a path rusher. Um that's probably his

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Speaker 1: biggest weakness at this point. So he doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of moves. He doesn't have some counter moves developed

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Speaker 1: where he can kind of figure out what to do

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Speaker 1: if he is double teamed, or what to do if

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Speaker 1: he's played a certain way. Other teams have sort of

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Speaker 1: rolled protections towards him a little bit. At times. He's

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Speaker 1: been chipped, um, and you would think with that that

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Speaker 1: that would allow josh Allen on the other side a

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Speaker 1: little bit more room to operate, but it's really not

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Speaker 1: been the case. Um. Both of them have gotten good pressure,

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Speaker 1: and I think josh Allen's in the top ten in

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Speaker 1: the league in terms of getting pressures on the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but the sacks aren't there. And pressures are great, but again,

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Speaker 1: it's what this team doesn't do. It doesn't finish. You've

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Speaker 1: got to finish those plays. And in the first two

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Speaker 1: weeks of the game, first two weeks of the season,

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Speaker 1: they finished um, you know, but they just haven't been

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Speaker 1: able to do now to do that the last you know,

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Speaker 1: three or four weeks. And you know, Walker has been

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Speaker 1: solid against the run. But but to be honest, guys,

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Speaker 1: you don't take a guy number one overall for him

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Speaker 1: to be good against the run and get some pressures.

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Speaker 1: He's got to get to the quarterback and he's not

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Speaker 1: doing it. Now. You can correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: but it seems to me what Jacksonville would like to

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Speaker 1: do is control the narrative of this game with Robinson

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Speaker 1: and at ten running the ball and then a lot

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Speaker 1: of short stuff to Jones and Ingram and then every

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Speaker 1: once in a while scene if they can get Kirk

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Speaker 1: in open space. Is that about the size of it. Uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty much it. I mean, they want to get

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Speaker 1: Kirk matched up in the middle of the field, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, on a linebacker if possible, safety. Um, they

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Speaker 1: want to get him free. And you know, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the thing about Trevor Lawrence getting the ball out quickly,

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Speaker 1: and that was something that the Jaguars really made an

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Speaker 1: effort to do last week to kind of get him

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Speaker 1: a little bit more confident because he had been you know,

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Speaker 1: five turnovers against the Eagles and then three turnovers against

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Speaker 1: the Texans. You know, he needed a good game and

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Speaker 1: in order to get him going, they kind of had

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Speaker 1: a lot of short stuff, a lot of quick stuff.

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Speaker 1: And that's really where he's at his best right now,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you. So everything he said is

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Speaker 1: spot on, and their hope is, like I said, they

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Speaker 1: could get Christian Kirk matched up into in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the field against somebody that can't stay with them. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how they do how they handle

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Speaker 1: the run game, because travisy Tn has been much more

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Speaker 1: effective the last two weeks and James Robinson. But the

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Speaker 1: problem is, you know, they kind of go away from

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Speaker 1: it a little bit and travisly Can gets fewer touches

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Speaker 1: as the game goes on, and it's sort of kind

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Speaker 1: of confusing to us. But you know, again, they ran

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Speaker 1: for two forty yards last week, so pretty much everybody

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Speaker 1: touched the ball and had success. But you know, et

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Speaker 1: N seems to be the more explosive back the more

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Speaker 1: the guy that can make a big play happen, and

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Speaker 1: I think he needs to be more of the priority

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Speaker 1: than James Robinson. But you know they're going to try

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Speaker 1: and pound it, like you said, and do that other

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Speaker 1: stuff about clearing some stuff out with with Jones and

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Speaker 1: Jones and and Ingram and then try and get Kirk

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Speaker 1: matched up. And that would make sense, Mike, considering if

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Speaker 1: the Giants have shown any issues on the defensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball, it has been defending the run, as

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Speaker 1: we even saw last week with the Ravens is Kenyan

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Speaker 1: Drake had a very strong game on the ground, multiple

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Speaker 1: big runs, including a pair of thirty yarders. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: the rushing attack, the other thing that has been brought

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Speaker 1: to the forefront is that they haven't shied away from

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Speaker 1: utilizing Trevor Lawrence's legs. He's got a pair of rushing touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: The volume of runs Mike clearly is not high. I

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Speaker 1: think he's running about twenty times. But it's the same

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Speaker 1: debate that I think the Giants have entered with respect

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Speaker 1: to their new coaching staff. How much do you want

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Speaker 1: to expose your young quarterback to considering he hasn't held

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Speaker 1: up durability wise, So what has been that fine line

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Speaker 1: that Doug Peterson is walking about wanting to utilize Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence's mobility. But at the same time, to your point,

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Speaker 1: you got those two running backs. It's not like you

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Speaker 1: have to put much more on his shoulders other than

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Speaker 1: pretty much focusing on protecting the ball and the passing game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know. It's it's been interesting because last year's staff,

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer wanted him to run early, and then they

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Speaker 1: didn't want him to run after that. Uh. Doug Peterson

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Speaker 1: has been pretty consistent and saying, look, use your legs

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Speaker 1: when you have to, um, you know, scramble around out there.

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Speaker 1: Nothing he's there. Instead of forcing something, UM, go ahead

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Speaker 1: and scramble and get yourself a couple of yards, get

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Speaker 1: down so you don't get hurt obviously. Uh last week

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Speaker 1: they had more uh called runs for Trevor Lawrence. There

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Speaker 1: was a third down run where he was, um you know,

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Speaker 1: it looked like an option play at first for Travis.

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Speaker 1: He can ended up being the lead blocker and then

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Speaker 1: he got around the edge and managed the first down.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see a few of those. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the bottom line is, like you said, they don't want

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Speaker 1: to expose him too too much punishment, but they're gonna

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Speaker 1: try and be smart with the ways they use it.

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Speaker 1: He had the two rushing touchdowns last week. One was

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Speaker 1: a quarterbacks meet. Um you know, and uh, you know

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Speaker 1: he's been he's been sort of reluctant to do that,

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Speaker 1: to to go ahead and take off when when he's

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Speaker 1: had the opportunity in terms of scrambling. But he said

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Speaker 1: the other day said Wednesday, said, hey, look, you know

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Speaker 1: that's something that I've done before. I did it in college.

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Speaker 1: I have to be more comfortable doing it, and I

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Speaker 1: need to do it more. I gotta ask you about

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Speaker 1: this offensive line because We know about the rushing prowess

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Speaker 1: of this team, and you mentioned Lawrence trying to get

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Speaker 1: the ball out quicker recently. Now they're gonna go up

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Speaker 1: against the Wink Martindale defense, which, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: has shown six different philosophical tendencies in each of the

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Speaker 1: Giants six games so far. How much how much of

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Speaker 1: a concern do you think Winks kaleidoscope defense is going

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Speaker 1: to be for the for these Jacks to handle. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a huge issue. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is the second year quarterback. He hasn't seen everything.

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Speaker 1: He's not even close obviously. Um, and you can kind

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Speaker 1: of confused the gate it. And the interesting thing abow

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence's numbers are if you look at him his

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Speaker 1: quarterback rating, his completion percentage is actually better against the

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Speaker 1: Blitz than it is when he's not pressured. Um. So

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Speaker 1: that's sort of a weird twist of of of what's

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Speaker 1: going on with him mentally this year. But there you know, look,

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Speaker 1: the obviously thing that thing you want to do is

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Speaker 1: is try and confuse the young quarterback. It wouldn't surprise

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Speaker 1: me and I know it wouldn't surprise Jack the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: if they saw all six of those two U uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, philosophies approaches whatever you wanna call it in

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Speaker 1: the first half of this game at times, because because

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Speaker 1: he shown that he will. Trevor Lawrence got a big arm,

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Speaker 1: one of the best arms in the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: and he's a really confident kid, and he has shown

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Speaker 1: the tendency to you know what, it's third and seven.

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Speaker 1: I've got a guy at the sticks who's open, but boy,

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Speaker 1: we got a big play down the field and it's

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Speaker 1: a tighter window, but I can get it in there,

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Speaker 1: and he'll make that throw instead of taking the short throw.

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Speaker 1: And he's still struggling with the concept at times of

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Speaker 1: just because I can make the throw doesn't mean I

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Speaker 1: should make the throw. So what you want to do,

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Speaker 1: if you're a defense, is you want to get Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence back into that mode of yeah, that's a tighter window,

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Speaker 1: but I've got the arm and the confidence that I

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Speaker 1: can get it there and can take some more of

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Speaker 1: those lower percentage growth. And I think if you do that,

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Speaker 1: and I think if the Giants can do that, then

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Speaker 1: the interceptions will be there and they'll have a chance to,

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Speaker 1: you know, to kind of turn things over, uh and

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Speaker 1: get this offense to to really start struggling. And if

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars offense struggled, uh, you know, that's that's pretty

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Speaker 1: much been the only thing that stays in the last

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks, Mike, speaking of the offensive line dynamics

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Speaker 1: and the Jaguars offensive philosophy. If you look at the

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Speaker 1: trend tire, Jaguars have won the two games where Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence wasn't sacked, and then in the other games clearly

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Speaker 1: he was sacked. But eight of the ten sacks that

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Speaker 1: they've surrendered have only come in two games. So I

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Speaker 1: just I guess my point is, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much there is to read into that. I'm just curious

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Speaker 1: your perspective, because I mean, it can't be so simple

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Speaker 1: to say if the Giants get one sack of this game,

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Speaker 1: they're absolutely going to win the contest. I mean, football,

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Speaker 1: I understand sometimes it's relatively easy to understand, but I

639
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Speaker 1: don't argue that that's exactly how it's going to play out.

640
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: So how has the offensive line held up in your estimation?

641
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Speaker 1: And why is it that when they've protected him, it

642
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: seems to have triggered a win, and when maybe one

643
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: or two sacks have occurred, all of a sudden, the

644
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: game has played out very differently. Yeah, that that's just

645
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: a I don't know if it's a weird statistical work

646
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: or what, but like to think of it is has

647
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: been now. The interior of the line has been a

648
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: little bit spotty. Other than uh brand new chaiff at

649
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: right guards the centers of rookie Uh and he had

650
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: a rough goo the first couple of weeks. UH. Left

651
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: guard Ben Bart has been up and down. Left tackle

652
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson has sort of been you know, they paid

653
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: the guy to be their starting left tackle for the

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00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: next three to four years and he's just been okay. Um.

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00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: And right tackle Juan Taylor is playing the best football

656
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: of his career until the Texans game, when he probably

657
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: played one of the worst games in his career. Then

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00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: he rebounds last week with one of the best skames

659
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: of his career against the Colts. And I think it's

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00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: just been they they've not all played great together at

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00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: the same time in past protection. And I think that's

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00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: sort of the only way I can just can figure

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00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: it out is that there's been breakdowns here and there, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, in in every single game clearly, but you know,

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Speaker 1: in the game against the Colts, for example, Juan Taylor

666
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: just got absolutely bull rushed um and thrown around on

667
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: two snaps in the entire game. And those were two

668
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: snaps that that happened to be where Trevor Lawrence got

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00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: hit and fumbled because Joan Taylor got blown on. So

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00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: I just think that the offensive line, I don't think

671
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: is anything better than an average offensive line. I know

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00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: that Jaguars feel a lot different, but when their breakdowns

673
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: are occurring, it it's just been at critical times as well,

674
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: and they're just not all playing consisting well consistently. And

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00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: I think that sort of the best way to describe it,

676
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: because there's really no rhyme or reason. Um, you know,

677
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: how do you want Taylor to play the worst game

678
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: of his career and then turn around and play the

679
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: best game of his career. It's just that that just

680
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: sort of sums up this offensive line in a dutshell.

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00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Final thoughts A big picture one from me, and that is,

682
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, the Giants in one three in a row

683
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: and they're five and one, and a lot of emotions

684
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: riding high and so much optimism and all that good stuff,

685
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: all those intangibles, and then you look at Jacksonville having

686
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: the low story in a row, and you wonder about

687
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: what is their emotion, what are their intangibles right now?

688
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: Are there doubts inside that locker room as to as

689
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: to what's going on, what direction they're headed in? And yet,

690
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: of course Las Vegas has the Jags as the favorite,

691
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: I guess because they're the home team. How do you

692
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: think that plays into this game at all? Yeah, I

693
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: don't get that line. Um, I really don't. You know,

694
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Speaker 1: Everyone's like, well, the Giants are aren't a great five

695
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: and one teams? Five one, this seems you and four

696
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: they're not a good team. The Giants are a good team.

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00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: That's the only That's the way I was gonna look

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00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: at it until the game's over on Sunday. But I

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00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: don't think there's a confidence issue or a confidence crisis

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00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: in this Jaguars locker room, because there's a lot of

701
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: guys on this team that we're here last year and

702
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: that we're here two years before. And yeah, they've lost

703
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: four games, but they've been in every single game in

704
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and they've been one score games, you know,

705
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: And that sounds terrible to sit there and go, oh,

706
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: that's a good loss. But if you've watched this franchise

707
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: the last decade and certainly the last two years, I mean,

708
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: they were getting their rear ends kicked week after week

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00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: after week. I mean they weren't even in games going

710
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: into the second half. Um, you know, this is progress.

711
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: This franchise has made progress, and what they are right

712
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: now is a functional NFL franchise on the field, and

713
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: they haven't been that. So there are guys in this

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00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: locker room that have been through some of the awful

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00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: uh losses over the last two three four years that understand, hey,

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00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: you know what, we're losing games, but we're a better franchise.

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00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: We're a better team than we have been any time

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00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: in recent memory since maybe two thousand seventeen. So that

719
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: you know that doesn't sit there and imply that they're going, oh,

720
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: we're losing games. We're fine with that. Uh, they're not.

721
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: But they know that they are a better team, uh

722
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: than they have been. And they feel like in any team,

723
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: like if you lose one score game and you lose

724
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: a lot of them, any team is gonna sit there

725
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: and say, hey, look, you know, one score games, we

726
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: could have won that game two or three plays different.

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00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: We could maybe even you know, won that game easily. Um,

728
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: you know. So that's sort of where they are right now.

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00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: There's no confidence issue. Now. The problem becomes if we're

730
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: into late November and we've still got you know, we're

731
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: still seeing this team lose a bunch of those one

732
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: score games and they're losing them the same way, then

733
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: things can start to get a little wanty a little bit.

734
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: But not right now. They're they're they're okay right now,

735
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: confident life. We're talking with Mike Dorocco, who covers the

736
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: Jags her ESPN. Mike, not only is Doug Peterson a

737
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: familiar face to the Giants given the fact that he

738
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: coached in the NFC East, but Evan Ingram, who played

739
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: for the Giants now on the Jaguars. I was very intrigued,

740
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Mike when that happened this offseason because of Doug Peterson's

741
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: track record utilizing Titans in Philly and a lot of

742
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: talk about maybe Evan is more of a wide receiver

743
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: than a tight end. You look at the numbers he's

744
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: been targeted they haven't necessarily been overwhelming. It's been more

745
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk and maybe a little bit of z Jones

746
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: and Marvin Jones went healthy. But what has the chemistry

747
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: been like between Trevor Lawrence and Evan Ingram? And clearly

748
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people always talk about when a former

749
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: player goes up against this old team that there's gonna

750
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: be a little bit more of motivation, a little bit

751
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: more pep and his step. What do you make of

752
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: all of that entering this contest? Well, during camp, I

753
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: mean I after watching those guys in camp, I mean

754
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram was targeted all the time, and I sat

755
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: there at the end of camp and thought, this guy's

756
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna catch fifty plus balls and have eight touchdowns. I

757
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: drafted him in my fan and one of my fans

758
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: I was like, absolutely, this guy is gonna be you know, uh,

759
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: fifty catches, Like I said, eight nine. Maybe even double

760
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: did get touchdowns because he looked for him in the

761
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,479
Speaker 1: red zone in camp all the time. It hasn't really

762
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: materialized that much in the regular season, um, you know.

763
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: And we asked Evan Ingram and Trevor about it the

764
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: other day and their thing is, like you know, look,

765
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: we we just kind of spread the ball around a

766
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: little bit, and you know that that kind of chemistry

767
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know takes a little bit of

768
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: time to develop. Um, you know, the interesting thing to

769
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: me is is he's been better as a blocker than

770
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: I expected. And you know, obviously I didn't watch a

771
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: ton of Giants games and zero in on Evan Ingram

772
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: as a blocker. My you know opinion of him coming

773
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: into is he was gonna be Yeah, he's you know,

774
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: he's just split out wide, tight end and you know,

775
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: if he can just get in the way of somebody,

776
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: then you know that's that's okay as a blocker. But

777
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: he's been better than that. I do think that there's

778
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: obviously we talked to Evan Wednesday and there's a little

779
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: bit extra juice form for this game for sure. Um,

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00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, not any kind of hard feelings or anything

781
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: like that. He said, he said, it's gonna be fun.

782
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: He knows most of the guys on the offense, so

783
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: it'll be good to kind of catch up with those guys.

784
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: But you can bet he you know, he wants to

785
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: get in the end zone at least once in this game.

786
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: Wants to win this game. Um, you know, and I

787
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: think maybe this will be one of those connections that

788
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: by you know, mid November will be a little bit better.

789
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: But you know, he signed a one year, nine million

790
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: dollar proven deal. Um, so his numbers need to be

791
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot better than they are right

792
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: now if he's gonna be able to find a deal

793
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: that will pay him that much, whether he or in

794
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: Jacksonville or somewhere else next year, Mike, before we let

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00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: you go, another name that I think is worth bringing up,

796
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: especially for Giants fans that may not be paying close

797
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: attention to the Jaguars is Jamal Agnew who's played some

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00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver and I know he dealt with an issue

799
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: in the last game, so as we're talking with you

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00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: right now, his status very much up in question. But

801
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: the reason I'm bringing him up is he's known to

802
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: be a special teams guy. He actually had a punt

803
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: return against the Giants a few years ago when he

804
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: was a member of the Lions. If he can't go,

805
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: considering he's been the main punt and kickoff return man,

806
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: how does that change the dynamics of what they do

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00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: in the return game. Yeah, it's well, I mean, you

808
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: can't replace him. He's one of the better kickoff return

809
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: guys punt return guys in in the NFL, that's for sure.

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00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: I mean he returned the missfield goal a hundred and

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00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: seven yards I think last year for a touchdown. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, Chris Claybrooks took over as the kickoff returner

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00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: when Agnew went down last week, and he's a He's

814
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: one of the two or three fastest guys on the team,

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00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: so he could really run. He's a reserve corner, so

816
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: he probably handled that at practice yesterday. In the media viewing,

817
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of guy that we're kind of

818
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Speaker 1: working as part returner, Chris Claybrooks as well, But Christian

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Speaker 1: Kirk went back there and and fielded some punts as well.

820
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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk would be a

821
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: guy that they would try and uh put there as well.

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Speaker 1: If if um, you know, they're not really hate a percent,

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00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: uh sure that they want Claybrooks to do it, but

824
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: you know he's gotten more and more involved in the

825
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: offense as the season's gone on. Agnew has and you

826
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Speaker 1: know they love the speed. They kind of look at

827
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: him a little bit like travesy Tian is like, we've

828
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: got to get him the ball in space and let

829
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Speaker 1: him do his thing with his speed and you know

830
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: the way he's able to shake guys. But you know

831
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Speaker 1: it'll be a big loss if he's not able to

832
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Speaker 1: go because sometimes those you know, if you can make

833
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: a play on special teams, and they really haven't at

834
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: this point this year, that can really be one of

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Speaker 1: those game changing plays, especially when you're playing those one

836
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Speaker 1: score games like they have been. They could shorten the field,

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Speaker 1: change field position, There's no doubt about that. He is

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Speaker 1: ESPNS NFL Nation reporter Mike Doroco, who is the Jaguars. Mike,

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Speaker 1: greatly appreciate the time and the insight, and we're looking

840
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Speaker 1: forward to Sunday's game. Thanks for hopping on with us.

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Speaker 1: wrap things up. Bob Papa has a chance to talk

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Speaker 1: to the head coach of the New York Football Giants,

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Speaker 1: Brian Table. The Giants are in Jacksonville to take on

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars. As always, we're joined by the head coach

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Speaker 1: of the New York Football Giants, Brian Table. And coach

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Speaker 1: just kind of circle back to last week and sort

856
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: of this pattern that has been established with your football team, Uh,

857
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: just mentally tough. Last week. They just battled, battled, battled,

858
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Speaker 1: and it seems as if your team finds ways to

859
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: win late in games. What do you attribute that too, Well,

860
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: the credit goes to the players. They play hard for

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes, and I'd say the coaching staff does a

862
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: good job of teaching them throughout the week. It's a

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00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: collective effort. But you know, those guys compete hard and

864
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, don't let one bad play affect them. And

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Speaker 1: you know, early on part of the season we've had

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00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: some good results, but you know there's a lot of

867
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Speaker 1: things to improve on, particularly trying not to get into

868
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: those spots coach, you know, being in you know, the

869
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: New York metropolitan area and everything that goes on in sports.

870
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: You're a big Rangers fan, you know, the Yankees are

871
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and everything else. Your team's five and one,

872
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: but your players seem to really be handling the five

873
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: and one record as perfectly as you would want them

874
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: to do. You get that sense that these guys really

875
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: understand how to deal with this and how to make

876
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: sure it's just we're worried about the next game, which

877
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: happens to be the Jaguars. Yeah. We try to do

878
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: a good job of educating that on you know, how

879
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: to deal with wins and how to deal with losses,

880
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: and really the way to do that is just to

881
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: focus on what you can control, which is the next day,

882
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: the next practice, the next game. Um. And that's all

883
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: you really can do as a as a coach or

884
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: a player. You can't get too caught up about you know,

885
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: what behind you was or what's ahead of you. You

886
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: really need to focus on what you need to do

887
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: each day to improve. Again, this is a very tough,

888
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: challenging league and it can humble you really quick. So, UM,

889
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: I think those guys understand that that the next day,

890
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: the next practice, that's what needs to be focused on.

891
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: Coach coming into this game today. Um, obviously, you know

892
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: your running game has been outstanding this season, and it's

893
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: been Sae Kwon Barkley being brilliant and Daniel Jones contributing

894
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: and everybody else having a role within the run game.

895
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: This Jacksonville team is pretty good against the run. Miles

896
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: Sanders is the only guy that clipped him for a

897
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: hundred this year. They're giving up eighty nine yards a

898
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: game on the round. What makes their run defense so effective, Well,

899
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: they got a high a lot of high round picks

900
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: that that are playing well. Um, good talent up front

901
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: and then good talent in the back end with you

902
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: know support and the safety support and the linebackers flow

903
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: to the ball. You know, Lloyd is a good young

904
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: talented player that they selected, and uh, you know it's

905
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: a it's a challenging defense. And Devin Lloyd the inside

906
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: backer out of Utah. And then you know Trayvon Walker

907
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: who is the number one overall pick. He's got a

908
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: sack on the season. Do they do a lot of

909
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: things exotic coach or is it you know, they're kind

910
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: of a little straightforward and they just execute real well. No,

911
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: I think they do a good job of of mixing

912
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: it up. Um, they play well fundamentally, and again they're

913
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: a talented, talented group. So we gotta work cutout for us.

914
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: You know, when you when you look at the way

915
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: the NFL is, Um, yeah, you sit there and the

916
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: maybe the giant fan on the outside looks as odd

917
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: like Jacksonville. They're two and four. But obviously you as

918
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: a coach, in preparation for the game, team you're looking

919
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: at all the games. This is a team that could

920
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: easily be a four and two or five and one team.

921
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: They've been in just about every football game. Um, is

922
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: that easier for you when you put that tape on?

923
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: You know, to get your team to be focused on

924
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: don't worry about their record. Here's what they do real well. Yeah,

925
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: I think that's what we try to do each week,

926
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Speaker 1: regardless of who we're playing, is you don't focus on

927
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: on records or where you're playing. You focus on yourself

928
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: and improving the things you can work on, and then

929
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: you focus on their scheme and their players, and um,

930
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, every week is a challenge in the NFL. UM,

931
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: So I think focusing on you know, anything but that

932
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: as a disservice. They are the only team in the

933
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: NFL that has two running backs that over have over

934
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: three hundred yards rushing on the season. Uh Travis a

935
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: t n who missed last season. Uh former first round

936
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: pick out of Clemson, and James Robinson who's a third

937
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: year player who broke into the league as a free agent.

938
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Speaker 1: And then you throw in Hasty last week, the former

939
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: forty niner who rips off a sixty one yard or

940
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about trying to slow down their

941
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Speaker 1: run game. Yeah, they're They're all three players are very

942
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: talented and they can take it to the distance. Um,

943
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: anytime they touched the ball. So you know, with their front,

944
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: I think their front does a good job. I think

945
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: coach Peterson does a good job of scheming different looks

946
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: in the running game. And you know, they're they're very productive.

947
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: I'd say, good young players that are a threat anytime

948
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Speaker 1: they touched the ball. So we're gonna have to do

949
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: a good job of, you know, trying to control the

950
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, getting good knockbacks, setting edges, and most importantly,

951
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna hit some We're gonna have to tackle well

952
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: in the open space. Trevor Lawrence Um in a second

953
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: season in the National Football League coach Um, in the

954
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: games that they've lost, the four losses they've had, he's

955
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: been sacked ten times. In the two wins, nobody laid

956
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 1: a hand on him and sacked him. Um, just talk

957
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: a little bit about your ball club and ways to

958
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: generate pressure and you know, how to try to disrupt

959
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: things for Trevor Lawrence, who is uber talented. Yeah. Again,

960
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: one of our goals each week is to try to

961
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Speaker 1: affect the quarterback as well as we can. And you know,

962
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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily by a sack all the time. There's

963
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: there's different ways to do that. And you know, I

964
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: think Wink and all the defensive coaches do a good

965
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: job each week of talking about that. But you know,

966
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Speaker 1: the quarterback Trevor is is a good player. I think

967
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: he's got a good feel in the pocket. Um, he's

968
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Speaker 1: got a good arm, he can make all the throws,

969
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Speaker 1: and he's athletic. We're gonna have to do a good

970
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: job of of staying in our coverage when he does

971
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Speaker 1: escape and make plays on the run. Coach, best of luck,

972
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Speaker 1: looking forward to the ballgame as the Giants take on

973
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars, and we'll do this again next week. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: but I appreciate you. That's Johnny, said coach Brian Dable.

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Speaker 1: We thank him for joining us on the Giants Huddle podcast.

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Speaker 1: We thank Mike de Rocko from ESPN and Davian McKinney.

977
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Speaker 1: And again go back to that last episode on the

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Speaker 1: John's Little Podcast Feed Steve Palozolo from Pro Football Focus.

979
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: Great talk about some of the data surrounding the Giants

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Speaker 1: five and one started how some of the young players

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Speaker 1: are performing according to pff S grading system. And of

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Speaker 1: course don't forget to go subscribe to the Draft Season

983
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: podcast on its own separate podcast feed, the Giants app

984
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: and podcast platforms everywhere. I'm John Schmilk. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us on this Friday edition of the Giant

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Speaker 1: Subtle Podcast. Hope you enjoyed it. I know I did.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.