1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to jay Dot in a production of My Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: What's Up Everybody? It is Jill Scott, Las Say Claire 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: and Agia grading Dance. We are here on Ja dot 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: eld podcast. We would come to talk to you. Uh. 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: I hope you've had a great week. I've had. Uh. Y'all. 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: All right, y'all been okay? Good to talk about this 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: thing that's been on your mind? Child, Yeah, because this 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: one been heavy. You have mentioned this I have I 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: want to talk about the evils of the music industry. 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: Oh lord, yeah, I don't have enough time. Hey, we 11 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: got plenty of time. I'm putting parentheses around this thing. 12 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: Come on, yes, I'm putting parentheses around it. Let's see 13 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: what are the evils. Let's let's uh anything with the 14 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: word perpetuity on it, ma'am. Come on, somebody, ma'am. Anything 15 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: with three sixty ma'am. Okay, wait a minute now, now, 16 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: now you're talking mute. Now, Now, now you're talking music 17 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: artist stuff. Now now perpetuity that that means something different time. 18 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the word enslavement? I am? I am. 19 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: I heard of that opportunity contracts to be on contracts 20 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: that you're doing something to so we have fifty of 21 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: your publishing in perpetuity. Anytime you see perpetuity anywhere ever, 22 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: you stop what you're doing and walk away right now. Okay, 23 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: And my mama says, no, three sixty. I'm sorry. If 24 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: I write a book, there's no reason on this planning 25 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: that I need to give my music label a piece 26 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: of my book. He says, I'm not singing word break 27 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: it down, jail, because this is this is like ten 28 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: years old, right, the three sixty deals, I feel like 29 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: they like a little tip. Right, they're older, but they 30 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: still occur for all your merchandising and all anything anything 31 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: that you are, you have a commercial, for anything that 32 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: you do that makes money from you being you and 33 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: you having your talent is under a sixty degree of 34 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: all the money that you make, even your touring, even 35 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: your tool. A label can do that, you say in 36 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: a label can be in your commercial, but money and 37 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: your book money that a label can do that if 38 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: you let them. Yeah, yea, if you left them. That 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: one right there, for me is a big one. I 40 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: feel like that's not necessarily an evil though. I think 41 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: it's a fucked up practice by an industry that's just 42 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: accustomed to being fucked up? Well, isn't it an industry 43 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: that's derivative off of the alcohol beverage and industry like 44 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: we I mean, if you get into the histories of 45 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: the ills of this, the many things that this industry 46 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: has been involved in. Alcohol is not evil. It's the 47 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: use of it, right, alcohol business, Right, That's really where 48 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm at. I don't think that the music industry is evil. 49 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: I think the use of it is. I think you're 50 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,839 Speaker 1: in trouble when you come into an industry at all 51 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: and have a facade, if they've created it for you, 52 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: or or you put it on yourself to say artists 53 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: helped create that facide. Of course, I mean artists are 54 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: complicit in the mess. But at the same time too, 55 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: it's like you cannot It's like you fault in the 56 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: starving man for stealing, you know what I'm saying. Like, 57 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they set us up 58 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: in these situations in which they keep all the doors, 59 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: and then you have this talent, you have this ability, 60 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: and you want to live while doing it, and it's 61 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: just like if you want to get through the door, 62 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: you gotta do this. I mean, there was a time 63 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: when artists weren't even reading the contracts. You know, there 64 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: was a time when and it was just about I 65 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: just got to get the music heard. I just got 66 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: to be able to pay my rent. And that has 67 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: been I won't even say there's a time. That time 68 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: still exists, and it exists in every facet of the 69 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: music business. It exists in all of the offshoots of 70 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: the music business and all the ways in which the 71 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: artist ends up at the bottom run and the artist 72 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: for the most part has been black and brown people. 73 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: That's been the people who have been doing the artistry 74 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: since the beginning of this business. And so it makes 75 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: all the things in the world that we end up 76 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: at the bottom. I mean, come on, it's just right 77 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: in line with all the other ship and that music. 78 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: The problem with about listen, this is my thing at 79 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: the end of the day, right, is that for me, 80 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: I just can't be mad at artists and in general, 81 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: but particularly at Blackpoole for just trying to live. I 82 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: have an issue with the industry itself from making it 83 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: so hard for us to do that, and that just 84 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me. And the only way we 85 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: can do that is be independent. It's just hard to 86 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: be independent when you're not in a free society, and 87 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: society doesn't set you up. That's set up for you 88 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: to fail, set up for you to be in bondage, 89 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: set up for you to be in servitude. And that's 90 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: just what it that's what it's set up for. And 91 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: and I just don't see any way unless we just 92 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: completely abolish this industry for to not be evil. And 93 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: I do think it's evil. Anything that wants you to 94 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: live under those kind of conditions is evil. It is 95 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: the system. It is. I agree with you, but you 96 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: can't take out your responsibility in the play. You can't 97 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: do that. Why is my responsibility not just being faired, eating, 98 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: taking care of myself? I understand it's always more of 99 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: a black folks. I don't feel like I understand. I 100 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, this is gonna be one of those conversations 101 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: because I just come from a different place. Come on 102 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: from it. I come from a different place them it. 103 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: You know, when money got tight, really tight, and we 104 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,239 Speaker 1: didn't have food in the cabinet, food showed up. Food 105 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: showed up because my grandmother was kind and when she 106 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: had a lot, she shared with people. So now here 107 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: we are without much at all and people are sharing 108 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: with us. I don't know what you're talking about. I 109 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm in a firm place that God will make a 110 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: way out of out of out of no way at all, 111 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: all the time. So when you're telling me that you joined, 112 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: you got into this industry, and you ended up sleeping 113 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: with a bunch of people to get to the top, 114 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: it's it was a poortion of your choice, because that 115 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: is not my experience. I know I'm just one person, 116 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 1: but I am. But what do you tell a person 117 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: who ain't got no grandma? What you're telling person with 118 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: no grandma who mothers in jail. I'm saying there's an option. 119 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying that there's there's there's options. I'm not saying 120 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: there's Well, we're going to anybody who's gonna touch you inappropriately, 121 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: anybody that wants you to come into a back room 122 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: and do something for them to pleasure them, and they're 123 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: in your industry, they're not doing the right thing. They're wrong. 124 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: It's fuck. You should walk away, run away, get away 125 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: and try something else, and keep trying something else, and 126 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: keep trying something else. That is not the people you 127 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: need to be around. If it's your manager, setting you 128 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: up to be in a three song. That ship happened, 129 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: the fun that happened. I forgot about that, but yeah 130 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: I did, Yeah I did, because ain't ship happened. I 131 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: got the hell out of there. I was like, wait, 132 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: a minute, who late? Is funny? A minute? Boyfriend show? 133 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm setting close to me. What I'm saying that I 134 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: guess my vibe at the end of the day is 135 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: fuck the manager. Funk whoever does business with the manager 136 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: put that ship on blast. We spent a lot of 137 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: time telling artists, women people what they shouldn't do, but 138 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: we don't spend enough time telling this industry that we 139 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: number one, don't need it, and number two that we're 140 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: not going to allow them to exist under these conditions. 141 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: I can't get into what's on a woman's mind when 142 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: she allows her body to be used or sold. I 143 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: can't get into that because I, like you said, I 144 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: don't relate. I've never been that desperate before. But to 145 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: pretend that that kind of desperation is a lack in 146 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: judgment only is not fair. I'm not saying it's a 147 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: lack of judgment. I'm saying that you have and option. 148 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: You always have an option. Hopefully in this moment they 149 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: listen to Jadi Il or Lisa Auntie or work with 150 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: in the sense of the I did demolition. Don't tell 151 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: me that. There's no way I'm a woman with breast 152 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: doing demolition. My back is still jacked up to this day. 153 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to learn how to act, could not afford school. 154 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Found Ozzie Jones, called me and found an apprenticeship. I 155 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: mouthed them floors, I cleaned them toilets, I sold them tickets, 156 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: iron nose costumes. I hung nose lights for a hundred 157 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: and fifty dollars a week. They did happen to give 158 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: health insurance. Hallelujah. But that's not enough to live off of. Okay, 159 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: acting lessons, But you think all of that has to 160 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: do with who you are and the women who brought 161 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: you up as a woman. In a way like I 162 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: think that's that's all. I think Asia was saying, in 163 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: a way everybody doesn't have that. I need you to 164 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: get it, though, Okay, I need you to get it 165 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: instead of falling prey to something, I'm trying to let 166 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: you know what it is. If somebody pull you in 167 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: the back room and try to get you to do 168 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: something that you don't want to do. Maybe maybe it's 169 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: just you don't want to do it tonight. Maybe you 170 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: would think about doing it later. That's your business, but 171 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: you don't have to do anything you want to do. 172 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: And guess what, when you're in a situation like that, 173 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: you must call it out right then and there, that 174 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: part right in and there, don't wait till later. Don't 175 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: be right then. And their parents. I know, you might 176 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: want your child to sing a song because they can 177 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: sing a song, praise the Lord, but you can't leave 178 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: your children with these grown ups that you don't know 179 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: because they're in the industry, because they have a nice car, 180 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: and they say, you know, all kinds of things to 181 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: your kid to hype them up, to get them where 182 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: you think they need to be. You can't not leave 183 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: your children alone with them. You don't know that. Let 184 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: me let me say, let me say, I gotta message 185 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: all so to some folks that things like this don't 186 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: happen where people don't know. See, the ignorant is one thing, 187 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: but the people who know that's something different. So I 188 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: look at it like this. Don't be in public saying 189 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: you love black people, and then behind closed doors allowing 190 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: black people to be used and abused on your watch. 191 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: Oh that's the music business. I'm sorry, but that's what 192 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about, right me, talking about the fact that, yeah, 193 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: a person can walk away, walk away, but it's gonna 194 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: be that person that's so vulnerable that they don't have 195 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: that strength. And so we have to think about the 196 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: most vulnerable person. We talked about this on the show 197 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: all the time. The question is not about the person 198 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: strong enough. The question is about is the person who's weak, 199 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: the person who's most vulnerable. Are they protect fide and 200 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: to the way I look at I mean, and I 201 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: look at what you're saying is true. Don't get me wrong. 202 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: A person today, you're going somebody, you wanna save somebody 203 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: because somebody's gonna hear what you said and they're gonna 204 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: take key to it. I said, well, I don't wanna. 205 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to act like that's not 206 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: the case. But for me, it's like we have to 207 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: be more cognizant of the fact that the victim, the 208 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: person who's being abused, is not the own person responsible 209 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: for their safety. That we have to be have a 210 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: sense of responsibility for one another. We have to have 211 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: a sense of responsibility for all because you never know 212 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: when you're gonna be the vulnerable person. If you're a 213 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: vulnerable depending on where room you're in. If you put 214 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: me in a room full of scientists, I don't know 215 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: ship about what they're talking about. Some of it you know, 216 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: some of his ages, it don't I'm not. I don't 217 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: know well. I know a coint I know a six team. 218 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: Know I'm joking. I don't think that we're we're at 219 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: all having an argument or or arguing between each other. 220 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: I think I'm loud. No, I just I think that 221 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: we're on the same plane. Right. But when we're talking 222 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: about the evils of the industry, and I hear it 223 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: so much music businesses as evil as evil. I've been like, 224 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: I said, you guys, that whole Illuminati ship that I 225 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: was in the Illuminati, I was like, I don't even 226 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: know them. I mean, I've never got nothing like I'm 227 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: not a card like that. I don't get a membership 228 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: party or something like. I should know this, right, you know, 229 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't see it. And you're too earthy for the bulet. 230 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: So that just blew my mind. With this evil I 231 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: had to set this. I was like, she's too earthy 232 00:13:51,000 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: for the buleg that part. I'm under the I'm about 233 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: to the table, ladies and gentlemen, just a table, And 234 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm under she has the paper bag test. I'm sorry 235 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: that she not today, not today. I'm sorry We're about 236 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: to get in good black trouble for that one weak 237 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: raw chicken. Bless her hard chicken. Baby. Look, there is 238 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: no shame to this blackness or me all kinds of 239 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: things that goes from golden brown, the red, sometimes green. 240 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: Deal with it or don't. That's the beauty of it. 241 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: I want to talk about just the whole money factory, 242 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: Like I want to talk about this. We congratulate a 243 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: lot of people in the music business for making money 244 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: and then we elevate them as this show a black excellence, 245 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: and particularly the music business and in sports, but particularly 246 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: in the music business. If you make a lot of 247 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: money in the music business, then you are like a 248 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: jewel in the crown of black achievement. And it's like 249 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: for me, I feel like there's something about that that 250 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: don't settle in my heart because I'm thinking to myself, 251 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: like I know how people make money in this business. 252 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: I know how many people are under the foot of that. 253 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: And we in the history of the black Black History Month, 254 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: the history of the history of the Black moth more, 255 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: we're in Black History Month, and it's like, you know, 256 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: you mess around and see some of these folks being 257 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: lauded during this time, and it's kind of like, wow, 258 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: this is where we're at. Just any person who got 259 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: a lot of money is worthy is our lauding and 260 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: respect business. It's about her. It's not about your health 261 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: or your wealthing, or your heart, or your family or 262 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: your education. It's about month. How do you and not 263 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: reconcile that? Because I have a hard time and why 264 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: Asian usually says the supremacy. It is always that's the 265 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: white supremacy of it. All that bothers me. But in 266 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: the I'm sorry, you gotta have a story. I would 267 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: just wanted to say, since we're talking about the money, Okay, musicians, 268 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: when you come into a studio, make sure you have 269 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: a split sheet when you walk out that is signed 270 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: by everybody. That one Now that now that's information, that's 271 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: the information right there. That producer might sample that one 272 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: thing that you did and make something out of it 273 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: over and over again. You never know you have to 274 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: walk out of the room with a sign split sheet 275 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: by everybody. Tech. Everybody got to sign. Everybody that's in 276 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: the room got to sign it. Ship. That's a good lesson. 277 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: Try right there, I got one, I got one. What's 278 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: you guys? Stuff? Please Lord, Please Lord? Do not sell 279 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: your publishing about it. Don't do it. Do not do it? 280 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: Please now, miss Asia. It sounds really easy. But if 281 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: somebody offered me like a hundred thousand dollars or more, 282 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I can write something of visually that's new, 283 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, and it'll be fine. Okay, So let me 284 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: let me, let me let me put you this way. 285 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: You want a hundred thousand dollars for your publishing? You 286 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: just said that, right, Yeah, that's okay. I wrote a 287 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: song that was never even number one twenty years ago. 288 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying to you, Okay, I make so. 289 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to say exactly, but I try to 290 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: figure it out. Let me just say that this is 291 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: one song. We're talking about this one song, one song, 292 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: and I've written every song except for three on seven 293 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: albums come moment. So what I'm saying is that one 294 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: song I wrote, you know, Okay, I can make that. 295 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: I can make that money back in a year less 296 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: than no, not less than less than two years, right, 297 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: so you can make it back. So the point is, 298 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: why would I take that up front if I can 299 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: make that money back in a year or two of 300 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: one song and that was twenty years ago. Okay, do 301 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: you understand what I'm saying? My point is, it's never 302 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: worthy it never the numbers are never worthy. They're never 303 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: worth it, and they're never worth it in books, they're 304 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: never worth it. In movies. There are people who have, 305 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: for example, the whole thing with Star Wars. It's like 306 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: people who have taken shares of movies when they did 307 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: a small movie or whatever the case. And being in 308 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: a blue up, all this different stuff. All of this, 309 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: these moments where we give away our work are all 310 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: moments that we have to consider as they that are 311 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: on money that's on the table, and not just money, 312 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: but just accessibility to the thing that you created. It's 313 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: not even always about the money, warned, it's being able 314 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: to do whatever you want with your ship. I can't 315 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: do anything with my music without permission from s and 316 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: not because I don't own the publishing, Because I don't 317 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: own the master recording. Come on, well, boys and men, 318 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: they said that they wrote that whole first album. That's 319 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: Michael Bevin's money. Just I just want people to think 320 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: about that, think about all of the songs. All he 321 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: did was Shane changed the title. That's Michael Bivins said. 322 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: He said, you should. That sounds good, but you change 323 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: that title. Oh, I'm gonna taking some of that money. 324 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm not talking bad about Michael Benson. This is the 325 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: this is the music business. That's the funny part. Like, 326 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm not insulting him, because if you don't, you're not 327 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: insulting him. What you're what you're bringing light on is 328 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: that black folks do this to other black That's what 329 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Well, what is motown? What is what is 330 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: still in the national with it? I mean yes? And 331 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: so this whole conversation, to be honest with y'all, made 332 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: me go back to what WHI y'all always talk about about, 333 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: and about our ideas of success and how we still 334 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: follow like the white man's vision of success in his 335 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: way of getting there. Oh you gotta that's the system, 336 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: that's the that's the yeah. Yeah, It's just one of 337 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: those things that we can't want so badly to to 338 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: function within it. But the truth of the matter is 339 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: that if we choose a function within it, these are 340 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: realities that were great we deal with and unless you 341 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: just break the whole thing down, and breaking the whole 342 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: thing down starts getting into a much more difficult, much 343 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: more why range conversation about who gaykeepers are and you know, 344 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: and em power and money and you know, all these 345 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: different things that that eventually become a bigger conversation that 346 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: are tied into the country we live in, in the 347 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: world we live in, and the way that it's set up, 348 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: it's like it has those kind of global implications. It 349 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: just doesn't have. It's not a simple conversation. And I 350 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: know sometimes we have this feeling like we can come 351 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: up with a set of rules and if we follow 352 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: those rules, then we can navigate this thing and survive it. 353 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: And the truth is, yeah, we might survive it, but 354 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: as a whole we're not going to We're gonna continually 355 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: see many many casualties, many many many casualties, and we 356 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: will not be the victor. You'll have a few people 357 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: who get by. Prince said it himself, You're gonna have 358 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 1: a few have a few that's going with, but the 359 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: majority of you will not. It's the nature of the 360 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: system that is what I'm realizing now. We'll be back 361 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: after the break. Like Okay, I went on tour two 362 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: different tours. One of them I did not feel treated 363 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: very well. I went on another tour and it taught 364 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: me how to tour. I couldn't tor to that capacity, 365 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: still haven't been able to, but it taught me how 366 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: to tour. The one when it was time for me 367 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: to tour, I did not want to do it like 368 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: a I wanted to more like be be exactly. Yeah, 369 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: I'm saying to you that it's very important for you 370 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: to make decisions. And if somebody is pressing your back 371 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: against the wall, if you don't sign this, if you 372 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: don't do this, if you don't do this, you really 373 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: need to ask for a day. Just ask for a 374 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: day if you know you feel pressed and you know 375 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: this is gonna change your life, and it's something that 376 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: you really need to do, is deep in your soul 377 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: to be a part of this. Just give yourself some 378 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: time and consider all the things you have to understand 379 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: what's in your contract. You cannot blindly it's your life, 380 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: the one life you got, the one life you got, 381 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: and you have an opportunity to are your talents. You 382 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: have to pay and you banish your work. And it's 383 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: your work that will outlast your life. And that's the 384 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: thing about the publishing agent, because the work will outlast 385 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: your life. It's the Yeah, money is great, I get 386 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: that part, but oh that my my work no longer 387 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: belongs to me and the the integrity that I have 388 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: in places or get get put on you know, like 389 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: we're talking about. But the but the thing is that 390 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: to to not own your work, that's the basics. That's 391 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: not even like an extra evil. That's the evil that's 392 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: woven into the basics. Like you can't sign a deal 393 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: without signing the way some ownership unless you are doing 394 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: things like and I will say this right now, you 395 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: have a lot of joint venture conversation where people do that, 396 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: or licensing where people do that where they have agreements 397 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: with people for a time period where it's like I'm 398 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: able to get to get the full ownership back after 399 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: that time period of that joint venture is over. So 400 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: I just I want to be clear with with artists 401 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: that may not understand some of this language that yes, 402 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: no matter what you do, signing on with partnership in 403 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: this business does mean signing over some ownership um, whether 404 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: it's a joint venture or three sixty. But what we're 405 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: saying is that the three sixty is on the on 406 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: the way, on the other end of the spectrum that 407 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: you want to avoid complete. You want to be able 408 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: to write your own destiny, have a measure of self 409 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: determination where you're just not sitting in a room and 410 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: signing over all of your rights and the opportunity is 411 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: up to you. Mm hmm, walk in with your eyes 412 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: open and please no. We we talked a lot about 413 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying us personally, I'm saying that I hear 414 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: it so much, the evil of the music industry. Let 415 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: me just be clear, Oh friends, it's evil everywhere everywhere. 416 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: It's it's in in medicine for parmaceuticals, it's in your 417 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: your children's education, it's it's in your church, it's it's 418 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, Jill, some of them facilities got better 419 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: hr situations in the music industry. I'm gonna just tell you, 420 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: like just it's different matter that specifically, but it's something 421 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about industry that human beings are running human greedy, 422 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: They have a tendency to be spiteful, they have tendency 423 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: to be jealous, a lot of stuff that goes with people, 424 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: and and if they've been duped once or twice, And 425 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: I've come across those kinds of artists that have been duped, 426 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: so in turn they want to dupe other people because 427 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: they think that that's the that's the system, that's how good. 428 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: You have a choice. You don't have to do that. 429 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: Ill last ship, you don't have to do that. You 430 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: don't have to know. But what I think what happens 431 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: is that there's there's agreements about accessibility if you want 432 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 1: a certain amount of accessibility. It happens in politics, happens everywhere. 433 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: And this is the problem with representation being being the thing. 434 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: When we're so pressed to have quote unquote representation, we 435 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: set people into a room where it's like we allowed 436 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: you in here, but in order to be a part 437 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: of this, you have to basically run the same program. 438 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: We're just asking to be the black face of it, 439 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: or be the brown face of it, or be the 440 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: female face of it. And so we gotta continue to 441 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: just turn back to this idea that the system itself 442 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: has to be shifted, you know, always just be about 443 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: the individual. Yeah, the individual can get in there and 444 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: change a lot of things. Think about Tony Morrison, who 445 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: we you know, love here on the show and love 446 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: in real life that you know, she worked for a 447 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: major publishing company and she brought people in there that 448 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: would have never gotten book deep radicals people at the 449 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: time that that governments were afraid of George Jackson and 450 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: Angela Davis. So, yeah, you can be positioned in a 451 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: certain place and make a different decision. I believe that. 452 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: But I think ultimately what we're talking it about is 453 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: shifting the whole thing, like reorganizing the whole thing, because 454 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: eventually it's going to get the best of us, because 455 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: it's set up to do so. I have a label, 456 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: and I tried once. I tried once with an artist, 457 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: and I realized, you know, I'm going with all the 458 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: things that I've learned from being an artist and signing 459 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: with the record label and distribution and all of that, 460 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: that I didn't want to treat them the way that 461 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: I was treated, and I wanted to be cognizant of 462 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: what they needed and what was fair, and that was 463 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: a tog of war because it wasn't as it was 464 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: not as easy as I thought I was expected to 465 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: present as labels do. And I'm like, but we're coming 466 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: from a different place. We have to approach it in 467 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: a different way. And ended up partying ways with the 468 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: r is because I wasn't slick enough, you know. And 469 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that in any way, But 470 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: what I said, I said I wasn't slicking up. I 471 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to beat the industry over the head or 472 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: beat I'm like, I believe that things happened with the 473 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: sweet start. So I think that things happen organically if 474 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: you put them in the right hands, and it's a 475 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: gentle touch, it's not pushy. If it's dope, it's dope. 476 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: Watch my theory anyway, But it didn't work out. What 477 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: you're saying speaks to the expectation that artists have and 478 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: what they see. Yes, they see things happen in a 479 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: certain way, and they believe that that means that that's 480 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: good marketing, that's good promotion, that's good such and they 481 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: have no idea the kind of manipulation, lying, cheating that 482 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: goes on in order to achieve that look. So when 483 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: they can't get the look, they believe that they're not 484 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: being served. But if they were really being served, what 485 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: they were really be getting is screwed. So I think 486 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's about the perception sometimes the 487 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: artist and their perception of what is quote unquote successful 488 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: like like he has said, is problematic. But again that 489 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: goes back to the industry, the smoke and mirrors of 490 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: it all and how it presents itself. It's you know, 491 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: it's a it's it's a criminal outfit. Yeah, I'm about 492 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: the saying it's a criminal outfit. It's literally a show 493 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: about to come on. You know what's funny, it's literally 494 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: a show on b et about the criminal outfit. Relation 495 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: to the music business where they have folks like sir 496 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm talking about you in a very positive play, Sir Haitian, 497 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: Jack m Steff, Mircael, Flocker's mama, all these people who 498 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: were speaking about just their relation to the streets and 499 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: the music. But we all know that this industry before 500 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: all was like Agent say, it goes back to that 501 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: in the first place. It's it's all. It's what I 502 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: love is that we do have some artists now who 503 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: liked Uh, yeah, I'm gonna say that. Whereas I think, 504 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, we came up at a time where it 505 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: was just very taboo to talk about it. The only 506 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: people who would talk about it were artists who were 507 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: older and the crime of their careers, had got their money, right, 508 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: And so I think that now what we're seeing is 509 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: artists that are a little braver, right, And maybe they 510 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: didn't read us the finger too, you know, and so 511 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: they're kind of like, uh and and they got likes 512 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: and streams, so they don't feel like in a way 513 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: that I don't need you. I don't need you, right, 514 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: and us who taught us that master named Perry what's 515 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: his real name? Why you got me messed up? If 516 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: you want to ask me, I wouldn't Percy, sir, sir 517 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: by example, Yeah, yeah, something. I don't said this so much. 518 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I could choke myself. But I'm saying 519 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: again that it is night in the Pips. You got 520 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: your Shock, you got your Dyana Ross, you got your 521 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: Nipsey Hustle, you got listen. I'm not a little sorry. 522 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: You got your Nina Simone, you got your Billie Holiday. 523 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: There's varying degrees of a career. There's varying degrees of success. 524 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: It's it matters what is success to you. My goal 525 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: has always been longevity. If I like doing this, and 526 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: as long as I'm enjoying doing this, I hope to 527 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: be able to do this, whatever this thing is, whatever 528 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, the job is at hand. I want to 529 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: be able to do this until I don't want to 530 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: do it anymore, you know what I mean. I don't 531 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: know if I see that in a lot of artists 532 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: these days. I don't know. I feel like a lot 533 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: of folks to try to get that bag and be 534 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: out Jill, but something to say, because I feel like, 535 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: and I'm not an artist, but it feels like art 536 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: is made in that way as well, like your art 537 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: is made in that way that you want to be 538 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: here for a while. I don't know. I don't know. 539 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: I k Beverly and Maze. I hope that we get 540 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: to hear the plethora of artists that do think this way. 541 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of them. I think what 542 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: happens is there's always gonna be people who are at 543 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: the top top, and that's not always going to be 544 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: reflective of the mentality that we talk about here, it 545 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: just isn't. You're gonna have You're always gonna have folks 546 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: who think differently and who are functioning from a place 547 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: from their heart and longevity and want to be doing 548 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: this and they love gigging them doing this, and they're 549 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: not trying to explain anybody but blah blah. But you know, 550 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: there's always gonna be the mess. The mess is always 551 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: gonna be, dear, and you're right Asian, you know what. 552 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: I want to correct myself because a matter of fact, 553 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like you need one for the other. 554 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: Even in radio and black radio, where people are complaining 555 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: that songs was playing, you know, the same ones every 556 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: every hour. Whatnot nice to be like, yeah, it's some 557 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: of these songs. It's real easy to hear him a lot, right, 558 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: but the real good stuff is hard. Right. It's a 559 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: reason for that, Like you, it's a reason for that. 560 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: Like no, that know that if somebody is constantly feeding 561 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: you something that that might not be the best for you. 562 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: And I used to get in trouble for saying that 563 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: on the radio, but that's the damn true. Yeah, that 564 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: speaks to that choice. You were positioned to push back 565 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: at a thing, and you did that, you know what 566 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and whether and somebody heard it, and many 567 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: people heard it and appreciated that point of view, and 568 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: to this day still do. The positioning is always gonna 569 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: be the way that we win this. I mean that 570 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: we win as much as we can, but the positioning can. 571 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: We've been trying that a long time, and we talked 572 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: about this all the time. It's not like we haven't 573 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: been trying that. And then truly we're gonna have to 574 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: shut it down. But I will say this much. The 575 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: music business has changed so much in the last few 576 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: years that it got scared that it was gonna go 577 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 1: that it was going implode. And and that was one 578 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: of the most wonderful things to watch to a degree 579 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: because it was just like, oh, mass so scared. You've 580 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: seen you've seen that and them coming down the road 581 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: and you was like, oh, wait a minute, I think 582 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: the sweet years are up. But one thing about the 583 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: impression is that he's crafty. So for this new environment, 584 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm really curious to know what you guys are feeling 585 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: and telling young people because this this isn't the industry 586 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: we came up in. We're not experts of this no. 587 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: So I'm just curious what y'all are telling people, because 588 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: I know young people are coming to both of y'all like, Yo, 589 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? How do I you know, 590 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: outside of these things that we're telling them around, you know, 591 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: contractual things just about how to move into line from 592 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: so line from my show. But it hit me, Hazel says. 593 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: If millennials have ship else, they've got the fucking audacity. Baby, Hi, 594 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: young people, Hi, sweet baby, Hi. You're doing it different. 595 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: You're doing it different. You do not have to fall 596 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: prey to anything. I'm not saying that you won't even 597 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: with you, which good mind on, but you don't have 598 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: to do things that will make you stay up at 599 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: night where you can't look yourself in the mirror. You 600 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: don't have to do that. There's so many ways to 601 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: skin a cat. There's you know that's gross, but there's 602 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: so many ways to do what it is that you 603 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: want to do, starting with your own voice recorder, because 604 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: when a motherfucker do you get it on? Take I 605 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: would you? You got your you got your voicey, you 606 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: got all these apps that you can do with yourself 607 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: and unthing and pay attention and you can put out 608 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: a song or two with a couple of friends, and 609 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: then you say, I charge you four dollars for this, 610 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: and they pay it and you say, hey, hey, you 611 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: know that adds up. It's a It's many ways to 612 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: get where you want to go on that path. You 613 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: do not have to sell your soul. You do not 614 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: have to put yourself in positions that will harm you. 615 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: You don't have to do it. I'm here to tell 616 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: you you don't have to do it. I didn't have 617 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: to suck nobody, no way, no time I did. I didn't. 618 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: Actually somebody, I'm married to him, but you know we met. 619 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: But you had a career before this. This is what 620 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 1: we're saying. Oh, you had a deal before you got married. 621 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: You like to before you started singing. I was just 622 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: messing with y'all. But but I feel, I feel, I 623 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: feel where you come from. But I do because I 624 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: do know for women that it can be. It's always 625 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: extra tricky. No matter what I tell people, this this 626 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: tricky for guys to Yeah, yeah, yeah, for God's too. 627 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: For sure. Absolutely, amen, you're absolutely right. We're gonna take 628 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,959 Speaker 1: a quick break and then it will be right back. 629 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: I've said this in different panels or whatever it is. 630 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: That one thing I feel like it's never gonna go 631 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: out of style is community. Because your resources are to 632 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: your left and your right, they always are. The building 633 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: of community makes your work and your crash stronger. And 634 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: if you start looking at people. And one of the 635 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: things I learned over the years, and we're doing kids 636 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,959 Speaker 1: Resistance stuff, was that will we'll interview somebody who's music 637 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: we like, and as they start telling their story, oh, 638 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: they're linked to like five six other people. And I 639 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: may not even know that, but that those those artists, 640 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: those producers, those writers were part of their community, and 641 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: that the strength of the work that they were doing 642 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: was tied into their friends, were tied into the people 643 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: they were just hanging out in the studio with the 644 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: people who were in that space with them during that time. 645 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: It goes back to Harlem Renaissance, It goes back into 646 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: what happened in Philly in the early two thousands. Why 647 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, but even the perception of Black Lily, but 648 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: even the thing that was actually real did have a 649 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: sense of community in it. No matter what, no matter 650 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: what other drama was happening, that sense of community was there, 651 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: and people did bounce off of each other, and people 652 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: did most definitely support one another and root for each 653 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: other and work together. So and that that mentality in 654 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 1: rap music, I mean hip hop music, and soul music 655 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: and jazz and gospel. You'll find that repeated every single 656 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: place you see aren't being made. So I don't think 657 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: that's ever gonna go out of style. I think that 658 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: thing will stand at tested. I like that you gave 659 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: a solution or a resource. It's like your community. Your 660 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: network is your network. I would say, I don't know 661 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: that it's everybody, but I know when it comes to 662 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: light here, ain't Claire. My network is definitely my nets 663 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: work you want because you see these two ladies, they yeah, 664 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: that was a lot of years and networking and getting 665 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: drinking and being wonderful and yes, yes, but those relationships 666 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: and heaven immaculate titties. By the way, I say the 667 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: same thing all the time. They're beautiful. It's the BRI's 668 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: jail whose teddies? Whose titties look like this? Because we're 669 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: talking about all kinds of things there. We're not for 670 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: the butterfly bro I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well that's the 671 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: second time, and today somebody to mention that bribe of me. 672 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: Somebody said, you need to bring that drawing back. I 673 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: just appears just I agree. I do own the pack again. 674 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: J Scott, come on, you got to teach and bring 675 00:39:54,080 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: the lesson back. She said he should bring them less 676 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: of that time. VNTO that that's my friend. She's so smart. 677 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes being and I'm just speaking from my position in 678 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: this industry, sometimes being not the most famous person is 679 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: a real place of peace of one. I figured that. 680 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 1: I think sometimes we might want to normalize not necessarily 681 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: being an uber famous. I like that I haven't established 682 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: you know, audience, but I think you do get to 683 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: a point you can't control it happens who it happens to. 684 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 1: But when it doesn't happen, I think there's a place 685 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,720 Speaker 1: that we have to get to. It's just like, okay, 686 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: let me let me consider the blessing in this moment, 687 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: because there is one, and you don't have to be 688 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: always necessarily fair game for certain evils, certain things that 689 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,720 Speaker 1: people are coming from people, the wants and the needs 690 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: to always make money off you, to do this to you, 691 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: to do that to you, to use you as a 692 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: come to do the but of proxity tell you about 693 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: your music while you're getting a PEPs mair. Tell you 694 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: about your music while you're getting the paps. That has 695 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: never happened to me. Yeah, yeah, please take that into considerations. 696 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: Inity is gone. It's gone. Once it's a gone, it's gone. 697 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: You can't get it back. But I think more people 698 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: need to see that life. People don't see that life, thought, Jill, 699 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: I haven't seen you know, Jody widely in a long time, 700 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, but if she came down the street, my 701 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: soul I'll be like, oh yeah, that's rabbit hole coming. 702 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: Come on. However, going back to what you're saying that, 703 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean, once it happens, it's it's happened. It's happened. 704 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: It's just funny to me. People need to see like 705 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: well working artists that can actually do make a living 706 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: off their art that aren't super duper famous. But that's 707 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: the dream, that's the right, Like I said, initial goal 708 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: to be able to make a living and not have 709 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: to do some other side job and just live right 710 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: right like and same is the goal for certain people. 711 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: That's true, But then you start to see what comes 712 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, what's her name? Laky? Laky? Like forty seven. Oh, 713 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: nobody knows what she looked like. And she's so about 714 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: oh likeckily Lakilly. It's from Asian Yo. She bit. She 715 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: can sit. She'll see she's the dope one with the 716 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: dope flowers. No, she has the mask on made out 717 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: of a bandana. She is ill. I wouldn't know her said, 718 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: is the smartest thing she could have ever done. I would. 719 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: I wanted her to stay in her anonymity, you know, 720 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: um for her sake. But she's very smart and she'll 721 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: be just fine. Sia is out here, you don't know. 722 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 1: She might be it behind you at the gas station. 723 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: And her anonymity, she can go and do concerts. Some 724 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: people doom had his nobody knew you know what I mean. 725 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: If you can find a way to keep that, it's 726 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: so precious. It's so precious as an artist to just 727 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: be sitting apart and have a moment. You know, I 728 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: always go to the park, that's my ship. But to 729 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: sit in a moment and just I don't know, watch 730 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: life happened. That's where the a lot of inspiration comes from. 731 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 1: Just watching the world. People are interesting. You can see romance, butting, 732 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: you can see a fight about about to start, you know, 733 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,839 Speaker 1: argument of something. It's also interesting Fatina and I used 734 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,359 Speaker 1: to go on the restaurants and try to guess how 735 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 1: long the couples have been together by how they was 736 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: acting at the table. It is. I just want to 737 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: say that everybody listening, like say, I mean we laugh 738 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: a joke or whatever, but this is a really great 739 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 1: opportunity to get two different ideas of what this music 740 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: business is and not too different, but still you guys 741 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: went in different directions and in a lot of ways. 742 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: So I just think it's it's a nice time to 743 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: just take advantage of this education because the whole education. 744 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: It's the whole education. Thank you, Asian and Jill. I'm 745 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: acting like I'm a listening. Hey, y'all a pleasure you've 746 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,359 Speaker 1: been in too. Yeah, you got gonna say girl stop yeah, 747 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: already in your ground and you ask questions and you 748 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: bucked against the system again and again and again. So 749 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: this is why we ended up being together after all 750 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: of these years. You know what I'm saying, Like we've 751 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: all we just starts shooting going different directions still every 752 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: now and then to get a phone call, how you doing, girl, 753 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: what you're doing? What you read what it's like, don't 754 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: say that, you know what I mean, having those moments 755 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: and then all of these years coming back together. It's 756 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: it's about the decisions that you made and the ones 757 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: that you didn't. Yeah, yeah, I think overall, I'm glad 758 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: that the one thing I didn't listen to was that 759 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: the way that that my career had to look a 760 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 1: certain way. You know, I'm really glad listen to that, 761 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And and I know Jill 762 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: can relate to this as well, because you know, I 763 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: had a kid, and I had another kid right before 764 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: our first album came out, and then we're on the 765 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: cover of the album. I was very pregnant, and just 766 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: all of those things like, oh, you won't ever be 767 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: able to make it in this industry like that. Nobody 768 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: wants to hear married couple, Nobody wants to hear by 769 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: love all the time, Nobody wants to all the things 770 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,760 Speaker 1: nobody quote unquote wanted to hear. So I'm just glad 771 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: that I didn't let that we didn't And here we 772 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: are in where somebody has build a Black love empire. 773 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: Shoutout to Tommy Oliver and Cody Lane. I'm just yeah, 774 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: we just spoke with them recently. I just I'm just 775 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: that's crazy. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, this conversation can absolutely 776 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: go on forever. Really, it really good good because years 777 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: and years of experience inside of something that has been 778 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: both there's moments of detriment and there's moments of sheer brilliance. 779 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: Remember what to be grateful for. That's all of it, Darling, 780 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: the whole thing. Don't forget to be grateful. In the 781 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: mysterie how Do You Eat an Elephant? One by it Tide? Hey, 782 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 1: what's up everybody? It's producer Eves back again to share 783 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 1: the resources for this episode. Other than the tips that 784 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 1: the ladies gave in the show, they also recommend a book, 785 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: The Music Business Toolbox, Actionable Business Guidance for Musicians From 786 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: Recording to Royalties by Brian Calhoun with Kristen Thompson. You 787 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: should also check out the book Everything You'd Better Know 788 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: About the Record Industry for artists, songwriters, producers, musicians, and 789 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 1: music entrepreneurs. Both of them are useful guides for avoiding 790 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,240 Speaker 1: mistakes where you can and setting yourself up for success 791 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: in the music industry. You can find links to these 792 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: books in the episode description. Hi if you have comments 793 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 1: on something you said in this episode called eight six six. Hey, Jill, 794 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: if you want to add to this conversation, that's eight 795 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: six six four three nine five four five bick. Don't 796 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: forget to tell us your name and the episode you're 797 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: referring to. You might just hear your message on a 798 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,280 Speaker 1: future episode. Thank you for listening to Jill Scott Presents 799 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: Jay dot Il the podcast. This podcast is hosted by 800 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: Jill Scott, Layah st Clair, and Aga Graden Danceler. It's 801 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 1: executive producers are Jill Scott, Shawn g and Brian Calhoun's 802 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: produced by La Saint Clair and me Eve Jeff Cope. 803 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: The editing and sound design for this episode we're done 804 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:39,879 Speaker 1: by Christina Larenger. Yeah. Do you remember the last point 805 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: we made about was that making a bad decision can 806 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: hurt that part. You gotta think about what it is 807 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: that you doing when you're walking tell of thame. Uh. 808 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: You gotta think about what's best for you? What what 809 00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:01,480 Speaker 1: do you need? It's your one. You don't want to 810 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: suck it up but not thinking. Hi, Hi, these are 811 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 1: my thoughts here I'm sharing with you. J dot Ill 812 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: is a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts 813 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 1: from I heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, 814 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.