Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot
Speaker 1: screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, And it is a Wednesday inside the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios here at the Star in Frisco, Texas.
Speaker 1: I'm in studio. Let me adjust my camera, let me
Speaker 1: get it straight there. Okay, Mickey Spagnola and my first studio,
Speaker 1: and Everson Walls is in his own personal studio, and
Speaker 1: we got lots to talk about on this edition of
Speaker 1: Mick Shots. First off, Mickey, how about we say hello
Speaker 1: to Everson. Make sure Everson can hear as well. Hello, Everson,
Speaker 1: I'm here. We don't want you to fill see you. Bill.
Speaker 1: I can't even see Bill. We are you? Bill? You're
Speaker 1: like you're like God speaking down a month people? Were you?
Speaker 1: You're not on the WebEx? Where are you at? Well?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm off by myself. Okay, off, but he's here.
Speaker 1: I've got the WebEx you want to share. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: off by himself. My mind is going so many places
Speaker 1: with that statement, And Nicky, this is the first time
Speaker 1: you've been back here at the Star in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. I was here yesterday. Well okay, yes, but
Speaker 1: first and I'm glad to be back here. Did this
Speaker 1: show yesterday, That's right, we did do a show yesterday,
Speaker 1: And it's good to be back here and around people,
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, it's great. And I even got to
Speaker 1: watch practice for the first time. And uh, this will
Speaker 1: be three weeks, right, three weeks. And then when's the
Speaker 1: last time the Cowboys won a game? I think there's
Speaker 1: some relation there. They need me here? What position would
Speaker 1: they need to put on the shoulder everywhere they go?
Speaker 1: That's what you know, you know on those on those
Speaker 1: jerseys where they had the little insignia where I think
Speaker 1: who had was it basketball? They had chime on there
Speaker 1: or whatever they about to put at spags fifty two?
Speaker 1: There there you go, there you go. Vicky's the backup
Speaker 1: kicker right now they got one. Well yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: series practice squad, the backup backup. I was wondering what
Speaker 1: that guy was doing today. He's got number one don
Speaker 1: number one on. I don't know if I can. Why
Speaker 1: do we have two kickers? COVID environment. Yeah, they decided
Speaker 1: if you have sixteen what yeah, sixteen guys on the
Speaker 1: practice squad, if one of them, you know, if Chris
Speaker 1: Jones goes down or Zeroline goes down, you know, you
Speaker 1: can't bring somebody in within six days, so you better
Speaker 1: have somebody to go. So they thought that for insurance purposes,
Speaker 1: they ought to bring this guy in because he can
Speaker 1: do all three things. I wonder if we can get
Speaker 1: a close up of say, he's a hybrid? Is he
Speaker 1: a hybrid? That was my next questions, a hybrid? He's
Speaker 1: a hybrid. We're gonna get a close up of Mickey
Speaker 1: and you can take a good look. Look, Mickey, look
Speaker 1: at the screen over there? Oh my, what's in front
Speaker 1: of your camera? Mickey? That you're a laptop. I saw
Speaker 1: it before, but it wasn't covering up the one s
Speaker 1: covered up there? You go. At least I don't have
Speaker 1: a gigantic cup of tea? How you feeling there? Ever?
Speaker 1: Saying that I can't write as bags? I'm looking at
Speaker 1: your eyebrows, but that doesn't count. The only thing that counts.
Speaker 1: It's on the big I understand. I understand, all right,
Speaker 1: So can you name the new punter or kicker that's
Speaker 1: on the premises here or slash kicker. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to hunter Niswander Swander Okay signed to the practice squad,
Speaker 1: so he's ahead of Mickey on the depth chart. But
Speaker 1: more importantly, yes, news has happened here since we last convened,
Speaker 1: and of course that would be the trade of one
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin to the Detroit Lions. And then more news
Speaker 1: today on the practice field. Eye witnessed reporter Mickey Spagnola
Speaker 1: on the scene to let us know the whereabouts of
Speaker 1: a couple of other veteran players. Yes, and even though
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy wouldn't answer the question during the press conference,
Speaker 1: but there was no don Terry po or no Darryl
Speaker 1: Warlie on the practice field for at least the portion
Speaker 1: we were watching. So I'm assuming that if they don't
Speaker 1: get traded by the end of the day, they will
Speaker 1: be released. So that'll be kind of in line with
Speaker 1: what Jerry Jones said yesterday that there would be personnel
Speaker 1: changes on the defense. So no Everson Griffin the Cowboys
Speaker 1: trader to Detroit for a conditional draft choice. It's it's
Speaker 1: likely a six, but can be a fifth. And then
Speaker 1: these other two guys, if no one gives them a
Speaker 1: bushel of apples, they're probably going to be released, you
Speaker 1: know what I figured out? And so don Terry Poe
Speaker 1: had three point five million guaranteed on his free agency contract.
Speaker 1: He played two hundred and sixty six snaps, so and
Speaker 1: he had nine tackles. So for nine tackles costing three
Speaker 1: point five million, that ends up being four hundred and
Speaker 1: forty four thousand dollars per tackle. Good job if you
Speaker 1: can get it. Also it comes to yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: not fair. And fifteen thousand per snap. You got to
Speaker 1: count the double teams that he took, right, Come on, man,
Speaker 1: Well that's what he sposed to be able to do.
Speaker 1: He was supposed to hold up against double teams and
Speaker 1: he got watched. You can't. How do you quantify that, Spags?
Speaker 1: You tell me? We all I know is he had
Speaker 1: nine tackles? How many did he have last year? Do
Speaker 1: you know that? I do not got it? Well, I
Speaker 1: don't have. You know, you're looking at the Cowboys stats
Speaker 1: in the four games. Yeah, the Cowboys last year, which
Speaker 1: are different than I watched him play. Typically the tackles,
Speaker 1: typically the stats the which is off the coaches film
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys put out is a different number than
Speaker 1: what you will see on NFL on the game stats.
Speaker 1: And that's what I took a game. Those those those
Speaker 1: were off the game staff. The game Cowboys were nine
Speaker 1: okay and off the game stats out the last three games,
Speaker 1: right right. And last year he four Carolina eleven games,
Speaker 1: ten starts, he had twenty two tackles, seven tackles for
Speaker 1: lost in, six quarterback hits and or pressures, and four sacks. Okay, so,
Speaker 1: but he didn't have any of those in the four
Speaker 1: games I watched. Not bad so, but he was under
Speaker 1: that great this year. Hey Bill, Bill, should that tell
Speaker 1: you something? Right? Uh? Worly and Poe, Yeah, Worally was
Speaker 1: my pet peeve. Paul was spags pet peeve. Right. So
Speaker 1: that means that Jerry Jones is listening to our show, right?
Speaker 1: Is that what that means? Absolutely, he's listening. He's taking
Speaker 1: out with advice, He's taking out advice. And I'll go
Speaker 1: ahead and claim Everson Griffin as my pet peeves. So
Speaker 1: there you go. I like the fact that they made
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin the captain against Washington. Well, I think you
Speaker 1: think they were trying to put an advertisement out there.
Speaker 1: I think I think that that he's a shrew move.
Speaker 1: You know what, the way Jimmy got credit for everything.
Speaker 1: If if Jimmy was coaching the team and this happened,
Speaker 1: everyone would for years be talking about what a shrewd
Speaker 1: move that was. Upping the stock of Everson Griffin making
Speaker 1: him a captain against Washington, he played us most, he
Speaker 1: played his most snaps in the game. He looked and
Speaker 1: I'm an untrained eye, but he looked like he played
Speaker 1: as well as he's played as a cowboy. As far
Speaker 1: as being aggressive and getting after it. Yeah, I'm sack.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of tacks. I think he was
Speaker 1: out there as what do you think just he was
Speaker 1: out there like bait, right, I think I think as
Speaker 1: they could exactly. I can't get anything from Pope, you
Speaker 1: can't get anything for Worli. So if we're gonna start
Speaker 1: dumping some things here, then you know he's got the
Speaker 1: four Pro Bowls, got a little bit of status from
Speaker 1: the past. I mean, no one's gotten much status going
Speaker 1: on what they've done this year. So what are we doing? Guys?
Speaker 1: Are we are we giving up? Are we dumping? Are
Speaker 1: we dumping everybody. Well, no, I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: think you know, and Mike McCarthy wouldn't admit that they
Speaker 1: were sending a message, but I think you know at
Speaker 1: progress stop when you're they're progress stoppers, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: So you might as well. If you're not going to
Speaker 1: get anything more from those guys, you might as well
Speaker 1: play some of the younger guys. This is the way.
Speaker 1: The thing with Worlly too, by the way, is Cheeto's
Speaker 1: coming back. He looked the part of practice we got
Speaker 1: to watch today. He was running as well as I've
Speaker 1: seen him run, So he's ready to come back. Progress stopper.
Speaker 1: I think they liked what they've seen from Dorance I'm strong,
Speaker 1: and then they want to give Bradley an Eye more
Speaker 1: of an opportunity and Randy Gregory coming on. So you
Speaker 1: know when we saw on Sunday Kennedy Gregory gets six
Speaker 1: snaps in the game, now you probably will get more.
Speaker 1: And when you have a guy like Everson Griffin on
Speaker 1: your team, I mean he's gonna play okay, And so
Speaker 1: if you want to give more snaps to other guys,
Speaker 1: then something's got to give. And that's and you've got
Speaker 1: something of value for Everson Griffin, who was on a
Speaker 1: one year contract to start with the thing on Whorley.
Speaker 1: I thought when they signed him, I liked the move
Speaker 1: when they signed him because of they had the rookie
Speaker 1: at cornerback, and I thought the way, the best way
Speaker 1: maybe to bring along Digs would be You've got him
Speaker 1: as a safeguard. Here's a guy who was a third
Speaker 1: round pick, who has starting experience in the league, and
Speaker 1: you got him as at the best he would be
Speaker 1: either in a starting role or getting a lot of
Speaker 1: snaps the first half of the season, and then you
Speaker 1: hand it over to rookie. Well, they decided to go
Speaker 1: ahead and give it to the rookie anyway, that was
Speaker 1: a waste of time. Yeah, and they didn't anticipate using
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown and Chitube a Woozier within the first two games,
Speaker 1: so they had no choice to play the rookie. But
Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna go through growing pains, we'll
Speaker 1: go ahead. They don't forget they also had signed another
Speaker 1: veteran corner ban Rice Kennedy, who opted out right in
Speaker 1: the offseason, so I think they were just covering their
Speaker 1: bases with those signings and it wasn't for a lot
Speaker 1: of money, and but you got to be able to
Speaker 1: make the decision like they have to move on when
Speaker 1: it's time to move on now. And the thing with
Speaker 1: Poe is now, you know, you get more snaps for
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore, maybe you'll find out more about justin Hamilton
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods will get more snaps, and we'll see what
Speaker 1: they decide to do with Tyrone Crawford, because if you
Speaker 1: looked at what happened this past game, they listed Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford as the starting defensive end. So and all right,
Speaker 1: here's my question for you. What defense do you think
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan wants to run. I'm not sure, but if
Speaker 1: Sean Lee can get back on the field, I think
Speaker 1: they can run a four three because they would have
Speaker 1: a guy that's played strong side linebacker. Or they can
Speaker 1: put Jalen Smith on the strong side and put Lee
Speaker 1: on the week side if they think he does it better.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what. I went back and looked
Speaker 1: and I heard different things about that forty yard run
Speaker 1: by Gibson. The Cowboys were in their nickel defense and
Speaker 1: the Red the Redskins, the Washington's lined up with two
Speaker 1: running backs. I got to consider mckissic a running back,
Speaker 1: he's not a wide So they lined up with two
Speaker 1: running backs, mckissic and Gibson. Gibson was kind of, uh
Speaker 1: like like a slot back. That's where he lined up.
Speaker 1: They had a tight end. Well, the Cowboys are in
Speaker 1: their nickel defense. So there's two running backs, a tight end,
Speaker 1: and two wide receivers and you're playing nickel. And guess
Speaker 1: which hole they attacked where Jordan Lewis was as the
Speaker 1: nickel defender instead of having a linebacker there. He gets
Speaker 1: bumped off and it wasn't a great block. He just
Speaker 1: kind of got screened a little bit by an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: If you had a linebacker, they're diagnosing that play. That
Speaker 1: play maybe gains three yards, but no, he gets knocked off.
Speaker 1: The corner gets knocked off. Vangersh took a bad angle
Speaker 1: at it, and there was nobody there, you know, and
Speaker 1: at some point that you got that guy that's in
Speaker 1: the hole that's got to make the tackle and he
Speaker 1: doesn't make the tackle. So to me, if they're gonna
Speaker 1: play a three, if you're gonna play a four to
Speaker 1: three against teams that want to run the ball, don't
Speaker 1: masquerade with a defensive end standing up and having four
Speaker 1: down lineman. Right, give me another linebacker in there. And
Speaker 1: that's what that's the only criticism the way of four
Speaker 1: three is designed, I mean, and and that's the way
Speaker 1: they've what they've been running. They've been having a defensive
Speaker 1: end play the sam linebacker in the four three, and
Speaker 1: that done more and in that alignment. Think about it,
Speaker 1: if you had a strong side linebacker, you could line
Speaker 1: him up on the line of scrimmage. Right. They do
Speaker 1: that a lot with a strong side linebacker, and that
Speaker 1: doesn't give the offensive lineman running start to pick off
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety pound dB uh as what happened?
Speaker 1: If that much backs real, I was gonna say one
Speaker 1: give him so anyway you want, you want to plug
Speaker 1: the hole, so you know, and and a lot of
Speaker 1: people want to say, well, they didn't have any effort
Speaker 1: on that, Well, they had effort that didn't have enough manpower. Well,
Speaker 1: and it was it was misdirection too, and so they
Speaker 1: were behind vander ash We got caught behind because uh
Speaker 1: and and so I think it was a tackle that
Speaker 1: was able to pick him shield him off from the
Speaker 1: play to get over to the hole, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: there there and we talked about this, yes, and Everson
Speaker 1: brought it up. Mike McCarthy spoke to this today. His
Speaker 1: quote was, everything we do on defense is about our eyes.
Speaker 1: Everything I've ever done on offense was the challenge of
Speaker 1: defender if I felt like he had bad eyes. Well,
Speaker 1: on that play for some reason, uh, Jalen Smith is
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys right side at linebacker right, and he
Speaker 1: does not see the handoff. He's taken steps to his
Speaker 1: right while the whole flow is going to us. A
Speaker 1: bunch of plays like that, and what's he what's he
Speaker 1: looking at? Do you think there was going to be
Speaker 1: a toss back? What'd you say, Bill, there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of that. There's a bunch of a bunch of plays
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, and ever from your linebacker, from your
Speaker 1: from your cornerback looking inside when the guy's running a
Speaker 1: straight nine route on you without a stutter step right,
Speaker 1: we're going inside, and it's like, what are you looking at?
Speaker 1: This guy's coming right at you. So there's there's something
Speaker 1: to be said about. You know, we can talk about scheme,
Speaker 1: and we can talk about not being good enough, but
Speaker 1: how about looking where you're supposed to look, which goes
Speaker 1: back to what I was saying yesterday about preparation. Better
Speaker 1: start watching some tape and the twelve yard touchdown run
Speaker 1: on the and some of this stuff is not just
Speaker 1: about tapes bag. Some of it is just just watching
Speaker 1: a football player. Yes, that is just it. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: these things have become so complicated and they just don't
Speaker 1: need to be. So when you talk about your eyes,
Speaker 1: eyes are not just about what happens after the ball
Speaker 1: is snapped. Some things about recognition exactly. You know, as
Speaker 1: as line as linebackers, you have to anticipate your priorities
Speaker 1: of what's going to be the biggest thing that's going
Speaker 1: to impact your defense versus what's going to be the
Speaker 1: least impacted. So as the play goes on, you prioritize.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just something goes on in your head.
Speaker 1: This is nothing you have to calculate or I have
Speaker 1: to learn this. No, if you're playing at professional football,
Speaker 1: your brain should already be able to calculate that. That's
Speaker 1: how you get good defensive teams because you have more
Speaker 1: people in tuned to what's going on pre snap and
Speaker 1: post snap. We don't have that, so let's go to
Speaker 1: break on this a good note. At practice today with
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, okay, helmet on, you know, whatever pads they
Speaker 1: were wearing. He was in the middle of everything. He
Speaker 1: did his little chord work and he came over to
Speaker 1: where the two linebackers were worked because they were in
Speaker 1: special teams. That's what we get to watch, right So
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and Vander esh are over there with the
Speaker 1: linebacker coaches working on some different things and they were
Speaker 1: explaining things to him. The next thing I know, Shawn
Speaker 1: Lee he's doing the explaining and it's like, see, that's
Speaker 1: what they were missing. They need him on the field.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he plays this week, but
Speaker 1: he was doing all the drills that I saw they
Speaker 1: asked him to do. So that's a good sign. And
Speaker 1: what Mike McCarthy said he was asked about Shawn Lee
Speaker 1: and at the press conference this morning, talked about some
Speaker 1: of that innate sense that he has that ever since
Speaker 1: talking about that's been lacking in the linebacking corps and
Speaker 1: also said that he's done everything except game day stuff
Speaker 1: and so and he holds out hope that maybe it's
Speaker 1: going to be up to Shawn Lee's experience dealing with
Speaker 1: the multitude of injuries that he's had in his career.
Speaker 1: Whether he's going to be ready to go or not,
Speaker 1: they'll leave it up to him, and there's a chance
Speaker 1: he might be able to play on Sunday night. We
Speaker 1: shall see, Okay, not this Sunday for shared the next week.
Speaker 1: Who they playing the next week? Pittsburgh. Who is Sean
Speaker 1: Lee from Pittsburgh? That's right, think he wants to be
Speaker 1: on the field. Mike McCarthy's from Pittsburgh. Exactly, Bye McCarthy
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Speaker 1: tweets ew is my favorite all time cornerback. Oh in't
Speaker 1: that nice? You look at the smile and getting a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. Man, You guys just haven't been airing
Speaker 1: it on this show. Like I thought Bill had the
Speaker 1: periscope going. Bill's not doing anything over there, just playing
Speaker 1: with the stats, that's all. Yeah, all right, mickey, How
Speaker 1: about how about Zack Martin? Might we see Zack Martin back?
Speaker 1: I think it's nearly a definite that he plays on
Speaker 1: Sunday Sunday night. He was in practice, fully dressed and
Speaker 1: taking part in the the drills that we get to watch,
Speaker 1: so he looked like a full go. I mentioned Chitubey Woozier.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's ready to go. So those were
Speaker 1: good signs from the guys that have been missing games. Uh,
Speaker 1: Joe Looney was out there. I don't know if he's ready,
Speaker 1: but at least he was out there with a with
Speaker 1: a helmet on um. And also I mentioned Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: so uh, Andy Dalton though was not out there, and
Speaker 1: that was kind of a how do I say this?
Speaker 1: A scarce, sparse looking quarterback crew over there with number
Speaker 1: seven which is Ben Denucci, and number three, which is
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert, and that was it. That was your quarterback
Speaker 1: school going on. Hm, Ben de Nucci, when did he
Speaker 1: first play here in Fresco, Texas. It would have been
Speaker 1: in the Division one Double AS National championship game in
Speaker 1: January's North Dakota State. He was quarterbacking James Madison. North
Speaker 1: Dakota State won that game because they win every FCS
Speaker 1: national championship going back to before Carson. As I was
Speaker 1: watching that game, I actually called Charles Haley, Yeah, asked
Speaker 1: him what does he know about this quarterback? Really, he
Speaker 1: was pretty good, you know, that's his alumni. Finally got
Speaker 1: back to me. But you know, Charles is not going
Speaker 1: to be some intellectual football so he didn't have much
Speaker 1: to say. But I did see how well that young
Speaker 1: man played in that game, and to just even get
Speaker 1: him there, you know me, GRAHAMI State University. I still
Speaker 1: say one double A that that one double A championship,
Speaker 1: that whole talent level is very underestimated. So I gotta
Speaker 1: give Gano some love. I'm hoping he does well. You
Speaker 1: know he was. He was basically the Tony Romo of
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season. That's what Romo was at Eastern Illinois.
Speaker 1: He ended up being the Division one Double A Player
Speaker 1: of the Year. The difference is that Tony Romo sat
Speaker 1: for three years before go out there and say, oh,
Speaker 1: and in fact, even his rookie year, he got an
Speaker 1: opportunity in a preseason game before going I was going
Speaker 1: to say he probably would want to bring his James
Speaker 1: Madison offensive line with him, except now that Zack Martin's
Speaker 1: out there, it kind of mitigates a little bit of
Speaker 1: the problems they were. So it appears that we're going
Speaker 1: to have a matchup of starting quarterbacks who are from
Speaker 1: the FCS National championship level. Okay, James matt and so
Speaker 1: James Madison lost that FCS National championship game to North
Speaker 1: Dakota State. So this has Ben de Newcie's payback game
Speaker 1: against Carson Wentz, the North Dakota State product, the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles quarterback. There you go, there's your motivation for the week,
Speaker 1: all right, another like you like mccarthur. These answered to
Speaker 1: the question about if you have to change the offense
Speaker 1: up or change things up with Denucci at quarterback as
Speaker 1: it started a game barely practice and hasn't had a
Speaker 1: preseason game. That's what they're up against. So the defense
Speaker 1: has got any any comes say, Oh, he wanted to
Speaker 1: know who asked the question and if they were, if
Speaker 1: they had their mask on, if they were smiling or
Speaker 1: laughing when they asked it. Yeah. But wait, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, guys, if we're going to be optimistic about this,
Speaker 1: you know, as you're bringing up these three players are
Speaker 1: there coming back. Each group that's represented has been a
Speaker 1: major failure in regards to this Cowboys season. You know,
Speaker 1: if you look at the linebacker position, if Sean Lee
Speaker 1: can come back and all things go well, Sean Lee
Speaker 1: can make a difference. Those mistakes that were made that
Speaker 1: led to a big impact in the game could probably
Speaker 1: not happen. A Woozia. We've seen two dbs get run
Speaker 1: by as if their feet were in quick in quicksand
Speaker 1: or basically submit a Woozia could come back you don't
Speaker 1: have those mistakes, game might look different. And of course,
Speaker 1: with Zach Martin coming back, just having one all pro
Speaker 1: to be inserted back into the lineup could possibly make
Speaker 1: a difference in regards to our pass protection, in regards
Speaker 1: to our ability to block for the run. So just
Speaker 1: these three signings here, if I wanted to be that,
Speaker 1: you know, ultimate Cowboy fan, which I am, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that these three individuals coming in can make a difference
Speaker 1: to where it can at least give us a chance
Speaker 1: to win the ball game, and if nothing else, don't
Speaker 1: take us out of the ball game with the mistakes
Speaker 1: we've been having these three particular groups consistently on this team.
Speaker 1: One of the note, now, those are great points, Everson
Speaker 1: and uh, we'll see, hopefully all of them will be
Speaker 1: able to be back this week. One of the note
Speaker 1: on Ben da Nucci and uh, you know the James
Speaker 1: Madison team when they were here in Frisco for the
Speaker 1: National Championship game. It was just days after Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: was named the head coach of the Cowboys, and they
Speaker 1: were staying here at the Star at the Omni right,
Speaker 1: and Ben da Nucci and some of his teammates got
Speaker 1: on one of the elevators here they were working out
Speaker 1: here at the Star and got on one of the elevators,
Speaker 1: and who does he run into. Let me guess, Mike McCary. McCarthy,
Speaker 1: and Mike McCarthy's on the elevator. So he positioned himself
Speaker 1: at the back of the elevator and introduced himself to
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, and McCarthy knew who he was because he
Speaker 1: was in tune with the James Madison quarterback and of
Speaker 1: course him bend Nucci being from Pittsburgh too. He started
Speaker 1: his college career at pitt And the reason that Ben
Speaker 1: d Nucci wanted to introduce himself to him, he wanted
Speaker 1: to let Mike McCarthy know that Mike's brother Joe, who
Speaker 1: passed away in twenty fifteen, who is an attorney in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: He was Ben da Nucci's eighth grade basketball coach. And
Speaker 1: Bill he read my story from back after the draft. Right, wow,
Speaker 1: so they go, they got a long history together, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what the connect and d Nucci and he said,
Speaker 1: all sorts of records in Pennsylvania high school football. He
Speaker 1: was the Gatorade player of the year, highly recruited out
Speaker 1: of and went to pitt you know, and then he
Speaker 1: but he wound up transferring to James Madison, started some
Speaker 1: games at pitt wound up transferred to James Madison. And
Speaker 1: here it was just three or four months later the
Speaker 1: Cowboys drafted Ben da Nucci. And now how many months later,
Speaker 1: six months five months later he got his first practice
Speaker 1: as the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. This afternoon,
Speaker 1: and when the Cowboys drafted him in the seventh round,
Speaker 1: they had no idea that he would actually be not
Speaker 1: only not just playing in a game, but starting in
Speaker 1: a game a few months later. But here we are.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the plan. Nope, that wasn't all right, We
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Speaker 1: practice today. Of course, they've had their own share of injuries.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line looks like this, lining up at left
Speaker 1: tackle the nine time Pro Bowler Jason Peters, who was
Speaker 1: close to retirement. They brought after they had injuries to
Speaker 1: their starting left tackle Andre Dillard and then their starting
Speaker 1: right guard Brandon Brooks. They signed him prior to the
Speaker 1: season starting, but basically brought him out of retirement at
Speaker 1: the age of thirty eight or whatever. He is. Well
Speaker 1: now he's lined up back at left tackle again well, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, they moved him to left tackle after
Speaker 1: the injury, and he balked at it. It was almost like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm getting paid to play guard, not
Speaker 1: left That's right, that's exactly right. And they rework his
Speaker 1: contract and then he did but they then he agreed
Speaker 1: to play left tackle, and then he got hurt. So
Speaker 1: now he's back. Okay, all right. Nate Herbig why he
Speaker 1: did not want to play right He knows it's a
Speaker 1: beast out there waiting on him somewhere to try and
Speaker 1: get to his quarterback. He's like, oh no, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna put that with that. That's like playing cornerback in
Speaker 1: the flex defense. That's what it's like playing left tackle
Speaker 1: these days. Nobody wants it. Only the strongest heart can
Speaker 1: have it. That's it. Nate Herbig is at left guard.
Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey, three time Pro bowler, is at center. Yes,
Speaker 1: the right guard is Matt Pryor, who is a college
Speaker 1: free agent last year and the right tackle seventh round
Speaker 1: draft pick two years ago. Jordan made lotta as Lane
Speaker 1: Johnson is out to start the week, So both teams
Speaker 1: with offensive line problems. That's exactly right. We'll see Lane
Speaker 1: Johnson could be back they say, But and their quarterback
Speaker 1: is thrown motions than the Cowboys starting quarterback. That's right,
Speaker 1: And he's been sacked twenty five more times as Deduci
Speaker 1: has already been sacked three times. Right, but the Winz
Speaker 1: has been sacked twenty eight times already this season in
Speaker 1: seven games. Maybe this is what the Cowboys defense needs
Speaker 1: to get. Well, that's right, that's right. And the other
Speaker 1: guy I ever send that's not starting. Let's just everybody
Speaker 1: calmed down here, Let's let's look at what we're dealing
Speaker 1: with here. Carson Wentz has he was like Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: just without Ceedee Lamb Cooper Gallop. Okay, he's still going
Speaker 1: out there doing the best he can. I gotta handed
Speaker 1: to to to Zach to Wentz. Uh he is and
Speaker 1: I've got so much heart and so much athletic ability,
Speaker 1: so much endurance. Uh. Mentally he's strong. And I'm not
Speaker 1: putting him over Dad by any means. But I will say,
Speaker 1: watching that game the other night, and how well he played.
Speaker 1: He had almost four hundred yards passing with no receiver
Speaker 1: a game. There have been several games where if I
Speaker 1: was crossing Wentz, I would have just thrown in just
Speaker 1: thrown it in. Just here, take my helmet, take my
Speaker 1: shoulder pads. I don't want to play anymore because they
Speaker 1: have been coming at him, no line, no receivers running
Speaker 1: back to herk Sanders is down and they're coming in.
Speaker 1: But what they can This Philadelphia team, since last year,
Speaker 1: maybe even two years ago, with Peterson as the head coach,
Speaker 1: they've shown me to have more guts than almost any
Speaker 1: team I've ever seen. They've shown me as a team
Speaker 1: that has the ability to make no excuses whatsoever. You love.
Speaker 1: On their official depth chart, they only have oh they
Speaker 1: got five. I missed the one I was gonna say
Speaker 1: they only had four receivers listed. They got five listed, Elshan, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: Travis Fulghum, who has become their his go to guy.
Speaker 1: This guy's playing right and then backed up by John
Speaker 1: high Tower, r Sega Whitesides and quiz what you don't
Speaker 1: have Greg Ward listed there? What about what about Ward? Uh?
Speaker 1: Probably not on their social depth chart. He's got to
Speaker 1: be on their depth chart. The wide receiver. Now he's there,
Speaker 1: He's there, Mickey just can't fin Oh, I see what
Speaker 1: they did. They listed three wide receivers starting there. You go, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, and it was okay. Their receiving corps is
Speaker 1: a great example I think of. I mean when you
Speaker 1: look at it, when they put their team together. They
Speaker 1: had Alshon Jeffrey, veteran guy Deshaun Jackson who's now out
Speaker 1: for weeks with his latest injury, veteran guy, first round
Speaker 1: draft pick in Jalen Rager out to watch the hatchee
Speaker 1: and TCU, who, by the way, is back at practice
Speaker 1: and looks like he's gonna come back and play this week.
Speaker 1: He's he's a good one. But it's a great example.
Speaker 1: You take Greg Ward, especially last year, he was the
Speaker 1: one guy with all the injuries they had at receiver
Speaker 1: last year, he was the guy who who developed and
Speaker 1: emerged and he was their go to guy at the
Speaker 1: end of the season. In fact, caught the touchdown pass
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys. Last year a college quarterback at the
Speaker 1: University of Houston, and then this year as a waiver
Speaker 1: claim last month, the waiver claim from the Packers, I think,
Speaker 1: and he was originally with the Lions, but out of
Speaker 1: old dominion, this six two receiver Travis Fulgham comes out
Speaker 1: of nowhere and you know he is making plays, game
Speaker 1: winning plays. He had the catch against San Francisco and
Speaker 1: was it a Sunday night game against San Francisco where
Speaker 1: he made the play. You know, he had one game
Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh he had ten catches for one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty two yards in a touchdown. Follows that up that
Speaker 1: was after the San Francisco game against Baltimore with six
Speaker 1: catches seventy five yards in a touchdown. And then he
Speaker 1: gets the Giant's five receptions seventy three yards he's got
Speaker 1: so he's got three touchdown grabs. But so he's a
Speaker 1: he's a guy that and they're big catches too, Bill,
Speaker 1: just plays that are just so by the way player. No,
Speaker 1: these are big catches, third down catches, red zone catches
Speaker 1: that they truly need to get out of a get
Speaker 1: out of a hole. And I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be all on Carston Wentz and
Speaker 1: saying that he's all this and all that. He throws
Speaker 1: so many interceptions and makes so many mistakes it just
Speaker 1: makes you want to pull, well, pull something out, but
Speaker 1: he can do it. But he also make throws. What
Speaker 1: you see is a guy that does not stay down
Speaker 1: on himself. He still believes in himself and his teammates
Speaker 1: regardless of how many mistakes they make. They don't fall
Speaker 1: back on that, and it's just refreshing to see, you know,
Speaker 1: and they touchdown past the Buston Scott is running back
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I asked McCarthy last night on his TV
Speaker 1: show about about what he thinks and so forth, and
Speaker 1: he was saying and he pointed to that throw. He
Speaker 1: said that that throw right there was all you needed
Speaker 1: to see and a great catch by Boston Scott. Two.
Speaker 1: That was one of those things like you see in
Speaker 1: practice where the quarterbacks tried to throw into the trash
Speaker 1: can from about thirty yards out. He dropped that one
Speaker 1: right and leaning back while falling back, you know what,
Speaker 1: And that Fulham guy's averaging fifteen and a half yards
Speaker 1: per catch. That's right, and uh and it's a great
Speaker 1: example of you can have progress stoppers on a team. Okay,
Speaker 1: And you know, Alshon Jeffrey has had his moments in
Speaker 1: this league, but he is what he is now. As
Speaker 1: when did he come in the league in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: So he's thirty years old now. Deshan Jackson, he's older
Speaker 1: than that. And and uh he did, he got hurt.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's okay, yeah, uh yeah. But these guys are
Speaker 1: taking advantage of their opportunity and showing that they can play.
Speaker 1: And how about Greg Ward. I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: guy played for Tom Herman quarterback University of Houston. All Right,
Speaker 1: you go back and look at his college career. He
Speaker 1: led Houston to a Peach Bowl win over Florida State
Speaker 1: where they wound up ranking the top ten in the
Speaker 1: country as a quarterback. And then he you know who,
Speaker 1: he you know who? What skins he has on the
Speaker 1: wall from college in he beat as a quarterback, Houston
Speaker 1: beat Louisville and Lamar Jackson in his sophomore year, and
Speaker 1: then his junior year, they started the year against Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield in Oklahoma and they beat them too. I mean,
Speaker 1: so he as a quarterback, he matched up against Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson and Baker Mayfield, two Heisman Trophy winners in one
Speaker 1: and then, okay, he wasn't going to play quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Well, he's got enough athleticism, want to whatever,
Speaker 1: to make himself into a wide receiver and he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna play ten years in this league.
Speaker 1: And he had enough smarts to accept the fact that, Okay,
Speaker 1: my future probably is going to be at wide receiver
Speaker 1: and said, okay, I can make that transition. So from
Speaker 1: a scouting standpoint, where am I dating? Am I dating myself?
Speaker 1: When I bring up Marlin Briscoe? You are? And and
Speaker 1: he here's the warning for the Cowboys and end around pass. Okay,
Speaker 1: be ready, there you go. You want to tell a
Speaker 1: Marlin Briscoe story. Yeah, no, that that was his. That
Speaker 1: was his basically, that was his career. You know, he
Speaker 1: was one of the first black quarterbacks in the NFL,
Speaker 1: uh period, and uh he was. I think he was
Speaker 1: up in Denver. You know how it goes. You got
Speaker 1: those coaches back in the day. They didn't believe in
Speaker 1: black quarterbacks. And I think it was loose Sabing was
Speaker 1: his coach. I could be wrong, but they treat him
Speaker 1: like crap like they did most black quarterbacks back in
Speaker 1: the day. And they He ended up getting traded to
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, and he ended up being part of
Speaker 1: the Aamy Dolphin's Super Bowl team. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: that did not lose a game. He scored a touchdown
Speaker 1: in that Super Bowl. If I'm not mistaken. So he
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of what Greg Ward does. Most quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: especially the Black quarterbacks, that that that run a team,
Speaker 1: they understand every asset facet of the game. And uh,
Speaker 1: the same with greg Ward, just like Briscoe that that
Speaker 1: that move was seamless from quarterback to wide receiver, even
Speaker 1: though you know you want to play quarterback because you
Speaker 1: grew up playing quarterbacking. We all know the stigma around that.
Speaker 1: They still took their opportunity where it came and they
Speaker 1: have not looked back. Marlon Briscoe, HBCU Black College Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. I was just going to point that out.
Speaker 1: You took it away from me, just in case you guys.
Speaker 1: The only reason I know the story because it's a
Speaker 1: personal story. I've heard it, I've met the man, and
Speaker 1: he has another grants, just like I'm sure Greg Ward
Speaker 1: doesn't either. And all of that is true about Marlin Briscoe.
Speaker 1: And in fact, on that undefeated Miami Dolphins team in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, he led the team with four touchdown receptions.
Speaker 1: What do you mean he led the team? I'm checking
Speaker 1: to confirm that, Well, it wasn't that many. That caught
Speaker 1: more than he did because that team was known for
Speaker 1: having the three run jim kickback, just not have to
Speaker 1: throw much at all, four touchdown receptions, was the leader
Speaker 1: and an undefeated team. I'm checking checking on and he's
Speaker 1: got time not on his side. He was their leading receiver.
Speaker 1: Caught more passes than Paul Warfield. Well then Paul Warfield.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Unfortunately I clicked on the link
Speaker 1: and it's not coming up. I can't get In nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, Marlin Briscoe. Let me wait, wait, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: if anyone leads the team other than Briscoe, it would
Speaker 1: be Paul Warfield. Yeah, no doubt. Hall of Famer right there,
Speaker 1: All right, I got do? I have twenty seconds? Marlin Briscoe,
Speaker 1: Marlin Briscoe, Come on, Marlin. Here we go. Marlin Briscoe
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two. Wow, he only started three games.
Speaker 1: He had four touchdown catches. So there you go. He's good, dude, good.
Speaker 1: He was a great athlete. There's team stats didn't come up.
Speaker 1: All right, I got it, I got it. I got it.