Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Elk
Speaker 1: season is literally right around the corner. We're about a
Speaker 1: week and a half away, and the majority of us,
Speaker 1: you know, in September rolls around, that's our time to
Speaker 1: go chase buglin bowls. And in my opinion, there's no
Speaker 1: better critter to hunt than elk. Why they're biglin. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll argue with the meal deer hunters and the white
Speaker 1: tail guys all day long. There's nothing that quite gets
Speaker 1: the hair to stand up on the back of your
Speaker 1: neck like a buglin bowl at close distance.
Speaker 2: But anyways, I decided to.
Speaker 1: Take today and kind of go through my seminars that
Speaker 1: I typically do, and I name that seminar Elk Cutting
Speaker 1: with the Purpose. And you know, those that know my background,
Speaker 1: I overanalyze everything. I try to figure out why, the
Speaker 1: how comes and the why is and try to methodically
Speaker 1: figure out what matt and why. And so when I
Speaker 1: did that, I ended up like reducing that down to
Speaker 1: having a purpose when you're out there, Like what is
Speaker 1: your goal? Are you out there just to have fun?
Speaker 1: Are you out there to kill any legal elk? Are
Speaker 1: you out there strictly to put meat in the freezer.
Speaker 1: Are you out there to kill the biggest bowl in
Speaker 1: the mountain? And I'm all of those are acceptable. Is
Speaker 1: it to go out there and hang out with friends
Speaker 1: and family and laugh and you have a couple of
Speaker 1: whiskeys around the fire? Is it to you know, watch
Speaker 1: the sunrise with your kids? Whatever that may be. You
Speaker 1: needed to find that and make sure you know before
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of the hunt that you've got
Speaker 1: that well to fined and and that you're gonna go
Speaker 1: out there and you know, do the best to fulfill
Speaker 1: you know, everything and that purpose. So to break this down,
Speaker 1: you know how to elk coume with the purpose. So
Speaker 1: you've you've created that purpose and we just went through
Speaker 1: a list of you know, some of those. It could
Speaker 1: be you know, many many more. Whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: You know, you only you can define that. But from there,
Speaker 1: when I'm on the hunt, from the time I'm going there,
Speaker 1: from the time I arrive, every decision that I make
Speaker 1: at that point should be with the intention of that purpose.
Speaker 1: It's a building block towards the goal that I've set
Speaker 1: for myself. So I don't like, you know, if if
Speaker 1: you know a rockstar monster, you know, at whatever energy drink,
Speaker 1: red Bull, whatever your your choice, you know, black rifle, coffee,
Speaker 1: whatever you're looking for, you know, a latte down at
Speaker 1: the coffee stand, if that sounds good.
Speaker 2: But yet I need to be and I.
Speaker 1: Can somehow talk myself into going and getting that in
Speaker 1: town that might be a twenty minute away from you know,
Speaker 1: twenty minute drive or twenty mile drive from camp versus me.
Speaker 1: You know, going and finding elk in the middle of
Speaker 1: the day. That is a bad decision, no matter how
Speaker 1: much you know. And then all even the grimlins kind
Speaker 1: of kind of creep in and like, but it'll be
Speaker 1: like a picker up or you know, it'll it'll help
Speaker 1: your mental game. And I don't buy into that anymore.
Speaker 1: Like if I can't with the you know, honestly answer
Speaker 1: the question that this decision and this effort will be,
Speaker 1: you know, a building block towards my goal, and I
Speaker 1: won't do it anymore. During a hunt, I'm out there
Speaker 1: with a specific purpose to kill a ball, you know,
Speaker 1: the biggest bowl that I can find. And you know,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of fun, so I try to
Speaker 1: balance those street. Now, if your purpose was to take
Speaker 1: your kid hunting, and if going to the store and
Speaker 1: getting an ice cream or or whatever was you know,
Speaker 1: helps you fulfill that purpose, then by all means that's
Speaker 1: part of your goal. But we you know, you have
Speaker 1: different goals. So I'm kind of talking, you know, with
Speaker 1: with out of both sides of my mouth, But it
Speaker 1: really goes back to what your purpose and what your
Speaker 1: goal is for that hunt always question what you're doing
Speaker 1: after you make the initial decision. I'll make some crazy
Speaker 1: decisions at times where in my mind, going back into
Speaker 1: basin that's seven or eight miles deep that had a
Speaker 1: bunch of elk in last year was just loaded, is
Speaker 1: the best decision I could make. And while I get
Speaker 1: in there, I can't find any sign or the elk
Speaker 1: maybe aren't there, or there's a bunch of boot tracks
Speaker 1: in there or something. So I'm always you know, even
Speaker 1: if I'm only two or three miles in and things
Speaker 1: aren't starting to add up, or the tracks are starting
Speaker 1: to show, or something just isn't isn't jiving, and I
Speaker 1: start to question that plan, like is this still the
Speaker 1: best thing to do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like, well, I'll give it two more miles
Speaker 1: to another main trail junction and I'll reevaluate but don't
Speaker 1: just always go be willing to adapt and change your plans.
Speaker 2: For me. My goal is and purpose. I want to
Speaker 2: hunt hard.
Speaker 1: All the time, from from sun up to sundown, all
Speaker 1: day long, even after the sun goes down, before the
Speaker 1: sun comes up. If that, if my plan dictates that
Speaker 1: I need to be up two hours before dark so
Speaker 1: I can get the wind right, which means getting down
Speaker 1: below the elk, typically down valley, down slope, and I
Speaker 1: need to be in that spot, then if that means
Speaker 1: I got to set my alarm clock for three thirty,
Speaker 1: then that's what I do.
Speaker 2: I try not.
Speaker 1: There were times where I would be lazy at times
Speaker 1: and like I'm gonna have an easy one because I
Speaker 1: was fortunate where I grew up hunting that I could
Speaker 1: typically find one that wasn't going to be a whole
Speaker 1: lot of extra work somewhere along the hunt.
Speaker 2: Nowadays, not so much.
Speaker 1: I've also been at this long enough that I hunt
Speaker 1: hard all the time because it only takes one one
Speaker 1: opportunity to go right. It only takes you know, the
Speaker 1: wind to be right one time, the bowl to react
Speaker 1: and to everything he needs to for me to make
Speaker 1: the perfect shot. It only takes one but I've also
Speaker 1: been on hunts to know that that one opportunity maybe
Speaker 1: on day nine or ten or the last.
Speaker 2: Day of the hunt. So it could come early in
Speaker 2: the hunt.
Speaker 1: On day one. We've had that happen. It could come
Speaker 1: on the very last day of the hunt. So when
Speaker 1: I say it only takes one, you don't know when
Speaker 1: that one's going to be. And so we're always hunting hard.
Speaker 1: We're always trying to treat every stock, every opportunity like
Speaker 1: it's the last. It's it's kind of crazy when we
Speaker 1: when we think about it, we always seem to do
Speaker 1: things a little bit better, a little more deliberately on
Speaker 1: that last couple of days of the hunt, because things
Speaker 1: are now critical if you screw this up. But and
Speaker 1: then I always remind myself, why don't you why don't
Speaker 1: you give you know, your early you know your early
Speaker 1: hunt stocks that much attention, and and why aren't you
Speaker 1: at that height and awareness all the time. And so
Speaker 1: I've been able to kind of to tweak my brain
Speaker 1: a little bit, and we treat everything like this as
Speaker 1: your only opportunity because it does only take one, but
Speaker 1: you may only get that one. As I just mentioned,
Speaker 1: treat every stock like it's the last of the season.
Speaker 1: That's kind of on the next bullet point, and my
Speaker 1: my slide always you know, this is kind of going
Speaker 1: into my purpose. I always remind myself you can't cheat
Speaker 1: the win. There are times where it's like, I want
Speaker 1: to make a four hundred foot loop around this elk
Speaker 1: with the wind going to them. I'm going to give
Speaker 1: them the wind, but I think because of the ridges
Speaker 1: and the way this lays out, the wind won't get
Speaker 1: to them, and I will risk that, and I used
Speaker 1: to risk that.
Speaker 2: I will no longer risk the wind.
Speaker 1: I'll go half mile a mile out of my way
Speaker 1: to get around the elk, to make sure that they
Speaker 1: are still in that location, they're calm and comfortable when
Speaker 1: I get there and I haven't buggered them up and
Speaker 1: have to try to, you know, deal with elk that
Speaker 1: most likely aren't going to be called in at that point.
Speaker 1: So you can never cheat the wind. Always put in
Speaker 1: more effort, you know, and get around them. And you know,
Speaker 1: so we can argue over how in perfect conditions and
Speaker 1: certain winds, like how far can elk smell you.
Speaker 2: I've always just assumed five.
Speaker 1: Hundred to seven hundred you're going to get picked off,
Speaker 1: and so if you're outside that seven hundred. But nowadays
Speaker 1: I don't really look at a distance. I look at
Speaker 1: terrain and just make sure that whatever my approach is,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get winded. The next thing which
Speaker 1: people could see is false confidence or cockiness is I
Speaker 1: expects on every out kind I'm on, whether it's over
Speaker 1: the counter Washington tag, whether it's the best tag that
Speaker 1: I've gotten, you know, Wyoming, or wherever it may be, Idaho,
Speaker 1: I expect to find success every single hunt I'm on.
Speaker 1: And that starts with my Google you know, my Google scouting,
Speaker 1: my on ex map scouting, you know, everything that I'm
Speaker 1: looking at. I'm drawing up these plans that and almost
Speaker 1: visualizing I'm gonna kill a buck or a bowl. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about bulls, but you know, I'm gonna kill
Speaker 1: a bowl in this basin because it's going to be there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill this in that spot. You know, I
Speaker 1: can visualize it happening, and I can see that I
Speaker 1: visualize that there's not going to be that many people
Speaker 1: in on this trailhead because it's step or it's rugged.
Speaker 2: I can start.
Speaker 1: To to you know, almost you know, force the success
Speaker 1: to happen. And if I can't buy into that planet,
Speaker 1: if I can't you know, fool myself or or convince myself,
Speaker 1: then I'm going to have success. Then I need to
Speaker 1: go back and change my plan. And well, I buy
Speaker 1: into that plan. It's very very important for me to
Speaker 1: see this through from beginning to end in order to
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, materialize that success. If I'm
Speaker 1: not bought into the plan and I'm just going through
Speaker 1: the motions, I'm I'm, you know, a tenth of the
Speaker 1: Elk hunter I should be or can be because I'm
Speaker 1: just not bought in.
Speaker 2: I'm not in the game.
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting elk to be in certain patches of Timber,
Speaker 1: and I just hunt kind of lacks daisical and and
Speaker 1: I just I'm not on my a game. The next
Speaker 1: bullet kind of ties into that. Don't just go through
Speaker 1: the motions. If you ever find yourself just hiking because
Speaker 1: there's a trail in front of you and not because
Speaker 1: there's a there's an elk destination or there is a
Speaker 1: spot you need to get to or want to get to,
Speaker 1: then find a new plan or do something different or
Speaker 1: change your purpose or goal like if you're just going
Speaker 1: through the motions because you want to hike, you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe run into an elk, then that that's what
Speaker 1: you need to set your goal as. But with me,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go just go through the motions
Speaker 1: because I've got a purpose of killing a bowl and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to kill a good b So if you're
Speaker 1: just going through the motions, you reevaluate your goals and
Speaker 1: purpose or reevaluate what you're doing and make a change.
Speaker 1: And I get probably too too caught up, but I
Speaker 1: still have a lot of fun. But I found that
Speaker 1: I have a lot more fun when I'm successful. When
Speaker 1: me and my buddies are grinding and out with the
Speaker 1: full pack meat on our backs, you know, getting horns
Speaker 1: out in tough, difficult spots like that's when we have
Speaker 1: the most fun.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It is definitely type too fun, but but that makes it,
Speaker 1: you know, funner for us. But it's it is important
Speaker 1: to have fun, no matter what your purpose, no matter
Speaker 1: what your goal is. I know, we can get into
Speaker 1: debates all over the place on whether hunting's supposed to
Speaker 1: be fun or if it's a food gathering. You know,
Speaker 1: exercise and fun is just a byproduct, I'll argue with
Speaker 1: those people all day long. I have a ton of
Speaker 1: fun elk hunting. I have a ton of fun with
Speaker 1: my buddies, my family, people that I get to meet.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of fun while we're out there,
Speaker 1: you know, sweating our asses off, you're kind of grinding
Speaker 1: it out, chasing bigling. So while it may seem like
Speaker 1: with all of this, you know, effort put into finding
Speaker 1: success as my purpose or my goal, I still do
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun. And at times I have
Speaker 1: to remind myself to have fun because you know, I'll
Speaker 1: get down on myself when something doesn't work out or
Speaker 1: I make a wrong decision and I start to question,
Speaker 1: you know, everything that's going on. But but that's where
Speaker 1: you know, you need to remind yourself to have fun
Speaker 1: while you're on that hunt. And and so, like I
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, we kind of go through what's your goal?
Speaker 1: You know, is filling the freezer, having fun, killing the
Speaker 1: mature bowl, spending time in the woods within you know,
Speaker 1: friends and family or is it a combination of many
Speaker 1: of those things? And I think for ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: of people it is a combination of those things. They're
Speaker 1: trying to fill the freezer. They're trying to kill the
Speaker 1: best bowl in the hill. They're trying to have as
Speaker 1: many laughs as possible to friends define that, and that's
Speaker 1: going to kind of dictate, you know, how you approach
Speaker 1: the hunt, you know, and then I always put a
Speaker 1: plan together, multiple plans, you know, plan A through Z
Speaker 1: in case things don't go right or I show up
Speaker 1: and things are wrong, or I can't camp on the spot.
Speaker 1: I always thought I was gonna camp, and then I'm
Speaker 1: always evaluating, you know, reevaluating my plan as I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: and then I need to go out and execute. And
Speaker 1: so we're going to talk about now is and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna probably walk through the majority of this, you know,
Speaker 1: elk hunting with the purpose, with the intention of being
Speaker 1: successful and and you know, trying to kill a bowl
Speaker 1: and put it in the freezer. So one thing I
Speaker 1: asked myself a long time ago when I started talking
Speaker 1: about elk hunting, and really at the first time when
Speaker 1: somebody asks you, because you just go through the motions,
Speaker 1: you know, I've I found success with a bow. I
Speaker 1: found success with calling elk early on, and it not
Speaker 1: until a few years later I kind of had to
Speaker 1: had to sit down and reevaluate what makes a successful
Speaker 1: elk hunter, and I kind of came up with three
Speaker 1: h three excuse me, eight key factors, uh that that
Speaker 1: seem to kind of matter, and I'm gonna kind of
Speaker 1: walk through these and explain them. So scouting, scouting or
Speaker 1: the ability to find the animal bull elk that you
Speaker 1: you're after. So scouting is huge. Are you out in
Speaker 1: the woods all the time? Guys that are out Guys
Speaker 1: and gals that are out in the woods all the
Speaker 1: time will typically always be more successful than people that
Speaker 1: show up on opening day or go back to the
Speaker 1: same spots year after year. Some hunts can solely be
Speaker 1: the success that can be like solely attributed to scouting.
Speaker 1: I mean not solely, but the majority. That factor is
Speaker 1: the overarching majority of why you were successful. The second
Speaker 1: one was physical conditioning. Be in as good as shape
Speaker 1: as you can. It's never gonna hurt, it's always gonna
Speaker 1: get e too farther. You're never gonna give up on elk.
Speaker 1: And physical conditioning really kind of translates over into mental
Speaker 1: you know, your mental game, because if you're in bad sha,
Speaker 1: your body's gonna start to question, you know, are you
Speaker 1: should you be going or we should probably come up
Speaker 1: with a different plan because your body's starting to break
Speaker 1: down a little bit. You know that just being as
Speaker 1: good as shape as possible. I'm not gonna dwell on
Speaker 1: that topic, but that's always gonna help. It's always gonna help.
Speaker 1: It's never gonna hurt you by being in better shape.
Speaker 1: Your gear, you know, I wouldn't spend too much time
Speaker 1: on this either, but just have the best gear you
Speaker 1: can afford. You don't need everything, doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: top of the line, but good gear does make the
Speaker 1: hunt more.
Speaker 2: You know, enjoyable.
Speaker 1: You you know, if you have better optics, you will
Speaker 1: probably spot more elk. If you have a better range,
Speaker 1: find or you might not get a missed range. If
Speaker 1: you have a better bow, you may be able to
Speaker 1: shoot a little bit faster and not miss the vitals.
Speaker 1: If you have better you know, a tent, you may
Speaker 1: be able to stay longer. It may be lighter, you
Speaker 1: may be able to pack farther. You know, a broadhead,
Speaker 1: A good broadhead may provide better blood. Any of these
Speaker 1: things can be attributed to gear, But I'm not going
Speaker 1: to dwell on that one. Let's just find the best
Speaker 1: gear you can afford or the best gear for your
Speaker 1: situation and roll with it. Number four is elk calling.
Speaker 1: I've I've probably hung my hat on this one more
Speaker 1: than anything else. But I also understand the elk cunting knowledge,
Speaker 1: you know, being able to shoot my bull, you know,
Speaker 1: setting up all these other things are also very very important.
Speaker 1: I feel that by being a good ELK caller, you
Speaker 1: open up just another another chapter in the playbook to
Speaker 1: killing elk. Anybody that's listening to me long enough, I've
Speaker 1: admitted multiple times that you know, spot in stock on
Speaker 1: big herd bulls that are buggling and rutting can be
Speaker 1: very effective calling elk and bushing elk, sitting over water
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, you know, sitting in pinch points
Speaker 1: can all be very very effective ways to hunt elk.
Speaker 1: I love to call elk, and so that's what I'm
Speaker 1: out there trying to do. And by being able to
Speaker 1: call elk, I've killed some great bulls. So why you
Speaker 1: know some people will say you can't kill herd bulls
Speaker 1: by calling. You can't do this, you know, with calling,
Speaker 1: calling scares them off. You can't call elkin in this area.
Speaker 1: You can't call elk in New Mexico or Arizona.
Speaker 2: Whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: And I've I've proven the majority of those wrong as
Speaker 1: well as others. So it just gives me another tool
Speaker 1: in my toolbox. And if I elect to use that
Speaker 1: or not is on me. But being a good ELK
Speaker 1: caller and having those tools and you know or are
Speaker 1: very important. And then the next one is elk and acknowledge.
Speaker 1: I feel that somebody's ability to know where elk will be,
Speaker 1: where elk will go, what elk are wanting to do,
Speaker 1: what elk you know have been doing, is very important.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Somebody that can find tracks and tell you if they're
Speaker 1: a day or two old, which direction they're going. Somebody
Speaker 1: that can run across some elkscat, you know, step on
Speaker 1: it with the edge of their shoe and.
Speaker 2: Be able to tell you, you know, how old is that?
Speaker 2: Have they been here recently?
Speaker 1: Somebody that can walk into a rub and say, well,
Speaker 1: this elk, you know this rub was here a week
Speaker 1: ago because the bark's still kind of pliable, but it's
Speaker 1: still kind of brittle, or if it was, you know,
Speaker 1: last year because the needles were red. You know, if
Speaker 1: somebody can look at a map and just almost instant
Speaker 1: instantly know this area is going to hold elk, and
Speaker 1: then you can zoom in and see where there's trails
Speaker 1: in the alpine or you know, if there's a meadow
Speaker 1: down in the creek bottom, like, oh, something's obviously using
Speaker 1: that there's no cattle in this area, that's probably so
Speaker 1: just you know, being able to show up to a
Speaker 1: spot that you've only ever scouted online and being able
Speaker 1: to you know, take your plan, look at it quickly,
Speaker 1: reduce the country if if at different, you know, if
Speaker 1: there's differences from what you thought you were going to
Speaker 1: see when you got there, and then within a day
Speaker 1: figuring out if they were elk there, or if your
Speaker 1: plan is going to be able to even work in
Speaker 1: this area. So elk cutting knowledge, you know, the ability
Speaker 1: to track elk nowhere elk are going to be is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest, you know, the biggest you know problems.
Speaker 2: That people will have on not being success.
Speaker 1: And it sounds very cliche, but you can't kill elk
Speaker 1: without being able to find elk. So that elk hunting knowledge,
Speaker 1: you know when to call, you know, we go back
Speaker 1: to calling, when do you call? When you can you
Speaker 1: read the temperament of a bowl. You know, all those
Speaker 1: things come in come into play. Shooting your boat is
Speaker 1: another big one. Are you confident enough to make the
Speaker 1: shot when all these other things happen? You know, are
Speaker 1: you only confident out to thirty yards? A guy or
Speaker 1: gal that is only confident in shooting an elk at
Speaker 1: thirty yards, it's going to have a whole lot, you know,
Speaker 1: a whole lot less opportunity than somebody that's even comfortable
Speaker 1: to fifty yards. You know, the difference on the amount
Speaker 1: of elk that we'll get to fifty versus thirty is
Speaker 1: a pretty good stack most of the time, unless you
Speaker 1: know setups and scenarios and the rut and you know,
Speaker 1: everything aligns. But there, I would say, you start to
Speaker 1: lose half your elk that you can't get between fifty
Speaker 1: and thirty, you know, just in general. You know, then
Speaker 1: you go to your tracking kind of kind of touches
Speaker 1: with shooting. There's some there's some skins and being able
Speaker 1: to track, being able to see something that's not normal,
Speaker 1: being able to read it. You know, if a bull
Speaker 1: gets hitting the right shoulder and you see them kind
Speaker 1: of limp and away, being able to read that that
Speaker 1: front left hoof is going to put more pressure in
Speaker 1: the ground. Being able to read that you know, this
Speaker 1: fern is freshly broken and bent over. Being able to
Speaker 1: read blood signs, having the knowledge that and elk has
Speaker 1: typically been heading in this direction. If you lose blood,
Speaker 1: you kind of tend to follow elk in that direction.
Speaker 1: You know, just things that that you will pick up.
Speaker 1: And being able to track, be able to get down
Speaker 1: and pick up blood easily. You know, all these things go.
Speaker 1: Shooting tracking kind of go together. But until you're there
Speaker 1: that and tell you not that tag like you haven't
Speaker 1: been successful. In my opinion, that's that's a big component.
Speaker 1: And so being able to shoot and track very very important.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about this too much, but it
Speaker 1: also lets you know that we think is very important.
Speaker 1: I've said it a bunch, I will say it again.
Speaker 1: I feel that most elk hunters are good, good enough
Speaker 1: to get everything right until they go to set up.
Speaker 1: They can find elk, they can locate elk, They're good
Speaker 1: enough shape to move in on elk. But when they
Speaker 1: go to set up, they make bad decisions or they
Speaker 1: set up in a spot that isn't ideal for that elk.
Speaker 1: Being able to see them and they will not get
Speaker 1: a shot because that bowl is going to hang up.
Speaker 1: So set up in a spot where when that bull
Speaker 1: sees you, you should have a clear shot at the vitals.
Speaker 1: And the last one is just mental toughness. You know,
Speaker 1: we look at all these other things that are semi
Speaker 1: you know, skill driven or you know, things that that
Speaker 1: you can, you know, teach yourself. But mental toughness, I
Speaker 1: feel is also taught. But a little bit is just
Speaker 1: kind of there. You either have it or you don't,
Speaker 1: or you need to build it somehow, or you need
Speaker 1: to hunt with a partner that has it. But mental
Speaker 1: toughness I can. I can have all these other things dialed,
Speaker 1: you know. I can have the biggest bulls scouted out.
Speaker 1: I can be in ultra marathon shape, physical conditioning, you know,
Speaker 1: being able to lift up a you know, a car
Speaker 1: or what I you know, just tougher than nails. I
Speaker 1: can have the best gear. I can be the best
Speaker 1: ELK color. I can I can know everything about ELK.
Speaker 1: But there are times where things still will not go
Speaker 1: your way and you're gonna need to rely on that
Speaker 1: mental toughness to stay in the game, to not hike
Speaker 1: out and go try a new area to not hike
Speaker 1: out to the truck and you know, lick your wounds
Speaker 1: and try to make up a new plan. You need
Speaker 1: to kind of stay the course. You need to grind
Speaker 1: it out. You need to take the kind of the
Speaker 1: battle back to that bowl and so being mentally tough,
Speaker 1: pushing the next ridge over, you know, riding your bike
Speaker 1: the next three miles into a clear cut where you
Speaker 1: think there might be you know something. All of that
Speaker 1: is going to add up to making you a better
Speaker 1: elk hunter. And so then what I like to do
Speaker 1: is I take all of those things we just talked about.
Speaker 1: At the end of each year, you know, this is
Speaker 1: preparing me for the following year. Is what do I
Speaker 1: need to work on? What were my weaknesses? You know?
Speaker 2: Was I in good enough shape? Was I a good
Speaker 2: enough shooter this year?
Speaker 1: You know? Was did I make a bad shot? Was
Speaker 1: I confident enough enough out to a certain distance?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Did I set up real real poorly on a few
Speaker 1: of these setups? Like do I need to rethink this?
Speaker 1: Why did I do that? Why was I lazy and not?
Speaker 1: You know, why didn't I set up in a spot
Speaker 1: that was you know, fifty yards up or whatever it
Speaker 1: may be. Why did I settle on that? And so
Speaker 1: I like to go through and kind of reevaluate and
Speaker 1: then work on my weaknesses to become a better elk hunter.
Speaker 1: You know, I look at all of those those things,
Speaker 1: try to reduce them down to what mattered, what didn't matter?
Speaker 1: Can I get rid of some gear? Do I need
Speaker 1: to bring all of these elk calls? You know, whatever
Speaker 1: it may be. And I feel by looking at those things,
Speaker 1: it's going to make you a better elk hunter, which
Speaker 1: in turn will make you a more successful elk hunter.
Speaker 1: And for me, that really kind of ties into my
Speaker 1: goal and my purpose when I'm out there elk hunting.
Speaker 1: So let's say we've talked about all those things and
Speaker 1: season is here, you know, or s's coming up, you know, scout,
Speaker 1: if possible, you should be on elk to start with.
Speaker 1: I need to be able to break that country down
Speaker 1: as quick as possible to find elk. I need to
Speaker 1: have a plan to check in on certain areas. And
Speaker 1: when I talk about this, I'm looking at depressions and ridges,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at wallows, I'm looking at water bodies, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at open meadows. I'm looking at the fringes between
Speaker 1: you know, train features. I want to be in optimum
Speaker 1: spots at first light. In last light, I will kick
Speaker 1: myself in the butt every time, and I just don't
Speaker 1: allow it anymore. For me to be in a mediocre
Speaker 1: spot as the sun rises, I means I need to
Speaker 1: set my alarm early enough. I need to give myself
Speaker 1: and I would much rather be sitting in the dark
Speaker 1: on a good lookout, you know, half hour before listening
Speaker 1: for bugles and be rushing because I'm late to get
Speaker 1: to a spot and show up a half hour after daylight,
Speaker 1: because you may catch the glimpse of that ELK that
Speaker 1: you need to get your day started or to create
Speaker 1: your whole plan in that first ten or fifteen and
Speaker 1: then they may be gone.
Speaker 2: You would have never seen them again.
Speaker 1: So that's where you know you're you're opening day. You're
Speaker 1: kind of getting ready.
Speaker 2: For that hunt.
Speaker 1: You know you You then go into locating ELK, so
Speaker 1: it is opening morning. My favorite way to locate ELK.
Speaker 1: Even though I love to call, I love to hear
Speaker 1: myself call. I love to get bulls to answer for me,
Speaker 1: I would much rather get a visual on ELK. So
Speaker 1: locating ELK through optics or you know, through through the
Speaker 1: lens of my eye. I want to be able to
Speaker 1: spot elk. And the reason I'd rather do it visually
Speaker 1: versus audibly or or you know, verbally to start with,
Speaker 1: is it allows me to ask the questions that I
Speaker 1: need to make better decisions. I can evaluate the elk.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Is there one herd bowl and three cows?
Speaker 1: Is there one herd bowl in ten cows? Is there
Speaker 1: one herd bowl, four satellites and ten cows. Like, I
Speaker 1: now have a lot more information that is going to affect,
Speaker 1: maybe affect the way that I go in and call.
Speaker 1: The second way to locate elk is to an audible method.
Speaker 1: So let's say I glass, I'll probably let a location
Speaker 1: be agle for my glossing point, but not probably until
Speaker 1: a half hour hour after daylight. I'm gonna you know,
Speaker 1: and then as I move down a ridge, I will
Speaker 1: kind of locate bugle into pockets anytime they open up
Speaker 1: or there's new area I can I can bogle into.
Speaker 1: And so there's an audible method, and this is the
Speaker 1: call that I will use ninety percent of time. It's
Speaker 1: just a location bugle. It's a two to three high
Speaker 1: note bugle that I try to only let last for
Speaker 1: two to two and a half seconds so then I
Speaker 1: can listen. I will locate at night prior to a
Speaker 1: hunt or prior to being you know, the hunt starting,
Speaker 1: or even during the hunt, and then still hunting is
Speaker 1: a way to locate elk, but you're kind of just
Speaker 1: you know, hiking through patches of timber or you know,
Speaker 1: even betting areas. If it's late in the hunt, you
Speaker 1: don't have a lot to lose. You can still hunt,
Speaker 1: which you know for those that you know may not
Speaker 1: know what still hunting is. It's just a slow spot
Speaker 1: in stock type of hunt. You're trying to spot the
Speaker 1: elk before they spot you, typically in timber, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're just trying to kind of drum up elk
Speaker 1: as you as you move along. So let's say we
Speaker 1: locate elk, you know, either through audible or visual, what's
Speaker 1: my next move? I'm gonna, as I mentioned earlier, I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask myself some questions if I can, if
Speaker 1: I can see him visually, I can ask kind of
Speaker 1: what are they doing, what are their plans? Are they feeding?
Speaker 1: Heading to bed? They're showing like major reading activity or
Speaker 1: anything else. This needs all be considered before starting my approach,
Speaker 1: and then I need to figure out where I need
Speaker 1: to set up. So if I spot a bowl from
Speaker 1: two miles away, it might take me two hours to
Speaker 1: get there, depending on the train and my approach and
Speaker 1: the wind. If I spot bowls, you know, four or
Speaker 1: five hundred yards away, it may be a very quick decision.
Speaker 1: So I need to figure out where I need to
Speaker 1: get to set up, because a bowl will be much
Speaker 1: more callable if I can get to a spot where
Speaker 1: they naturally want to go versus a spot where I
Speaker 1: want to call them to.
Speaker 2: If that makes any sense. If a bull is.
Speaker 1: Going from feed to bed, it's way easier for me
Speaker 1: to call him to his bedroom or on his way
Speaker 1: to his bedroom that it is back to the original
Speaker 1: feed spot where you spot at him. Maybe more of
Speaker 1: an ambush and call. Being in that spot is going
Speaker 1: to be way more effective than trying to call them backwards.
Speaker 1: The closer and get to the bowl or his cow
Speaker 1: is the better. I try to always get within one
Speaker 1: hundred yards if the train and vegetation allows me to,
Speaker 1: you know, hunting around Pacific Northwest growing up, I was
Speaker 1: able to get elk you know, into sixty to seventy
Speaker 1: yards a lot of the time, and you need to
Speaker 1: get close enough to become a threat to that bowl
Speaker 1: or close enough to be a cow to that bowl
Speaker 1: that he's willing to come far enough to check on
Speaker 1: that cow, but it's not far enough that he feels
Speaker 1: like he's leaving his herd. What time of day is
Speaker 1: it when you spot these elk?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: If it's at first thing in the morning, then you've
Speaker 1: probably got three three and a half four hours depending
Speaker 1: on the country, or in how quick the sun hits
Speaker 1: it before your thermals are going to change, you know,
Speaker 1: up slope. So if it's gonna if I spot the
Speaker 1: elk at eight and I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: ten o'clock till I get there, I may need to
Speaker 1: just be patient and stay back, or I need to,
Speaker 1: you know, calculate that into my and at some point
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to be above those elk or hang
Speaker 1: out behind a ridge long enough until that wind switches,
Speaker 1: you know, and elk are very smart. They are very
Speaker 1: good at knowing when when the wind's going to switch,
Speaker 1: being in a spot that protects them right up until
Speaker 1: that point, and then betting in a spot that typically
Speaker 1: has swirling winds and just protects them when they get there.
Speaker 1: So you know, your plan of just hiding in an
Speaker 1: area you know may or may not work, but just
Speaker 1: keep that in mind that the elk are pretty dang
Speaker 1: good at getting themselves in a spot where they're not
Speaker 1: going to get winded. We touch on this all the time.
Speaker 1: Setting up, You're where's the ball likely to come in?
Speaker 2: On?
Speaker 1: So I get all the way over there now I'm
Speaker 1: looking at at the ground on a very micro level.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to know within this fifty yard spot,
Speaker 1: am I in a good enough Am I close enough
Speaker 1: to the bowl? First off? And is this the best spot?
Speaker 1: If I walk into the twenty yards is that spot better?
Speaker 1: If I stay back in another twenty yards is that
Speaker 1: spot better? Am I now too far away from neilk?
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm like over analyzing this because, as I
Speaker 1: said multiple times on the other podcasts on this podcast,
Speaker 1: setting up typically is a determining factor between getting a
Speaker 1: shot within archie range or being able to see a
Speaker 1: bowl kind of move around in the brush at seventy
Speaker 1: or eighty yards away, And you need to look at
Speaker 1: all that. I'm just gonna repeat it because it's worth saying.
Speaker 1: You know, where's that both most likely to come in?
Speaker 1: What does the train and cover look like? When will
Speaker 1: he be able to see me if he comes in
Speaker 1: on that on that line? Which will direction will we
Speaker 1: come in from? Do I have multiple shooting lanes? Can
Speaker 1: I move without making noise or brush? Have I set
Speaker 1: up next to a tree where I can mimic, you know,
Speaker 1: raking or beating of antlers on a tree, you know,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times I'll add that into my calling.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking for all of these things to add
Speaker 1: up to like a preferable set up. And then you're
Speaker 1: you know, lastly, you're thinking about the wind direction. Ideally
Speaker 1: the winds hitting you somewhere in the front. For reasons
Speaker 1: I've mentioned, I'd like the wind to hit me a
Speaker 1: little bit at an angle, whether it's thirty forty five
Speaker 1: degrees somewhere in there, because that guarantees or dictates which
Speaker 1: side he'll likely try to come around on, which gives
Speaker 1: now gives me a better idea on where I should
Speaker 1: set up. Now we'll kind of move into calling. So
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, there's a lot of ways to kill ELK.
Speaker 1: I go back to my purpose and my goal. I've
Speaker 1: set it a bunch. I'm out there for a specific
Speaker 1: reaction from a specific bowl. I want that thing to
Speaker 1: have his eyes rolled back in the back of his head.
Speaker 1: I want him to come in, you know, just bombing
Speaker 1: in ready to kind of kick my butt because we
Speaker 1: got too close to him. And that's my ideal situation.
Speaker 1: Now we don't always get that, but that's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to create out there, and that's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get to. Now that we're set up, we're
Speaker 1: going to start to call. I try not to get
Speaker 1: too caught up, and we can argue about this, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even argue. I would just say, yep, you've
Speaker 1: probably got a system that works. You know, some of
Speaker 1: these people try to talk with. You have to understand
Speaker 1: what the Elk are saying and what that means, and
Speaker 1: then there should be a very specific response to that.
Speaker 1: And I've never bought into that. I've never hunted, you know,
Speaker 1: for the last shoot. I don't even know how long
Speaker 1: it is now almost thirty years, I've been calling Elk
Speaker 1: with nobody instructing me on how to do it, just
Speaker 1: kind of come up with my own system. I've always
Speaker 1: played off their temperament. I've related, you know, related it
Speaker 1: to fishing. You know, there's times I'll go to the
Speaker 1: river and it's I'm gonna drown a worm, and then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, throw a spinner, and then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw a wedding ring, and then I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: a panther Martina.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep.
Speaker 1: Fishing with whatever I can until I figure it out. Well,
Speaker 1: that's almost how I elk. If I've got a bowl
Speaker 1: that is just hammering without me saying a word, he's
Speaker 1: obviously his temperament is high. He's he's, you know, just
Speaker 1: something is pestering him, you know, whether it's a cow
Speaker 1: and heat and there's a bowl glunking behind her. Like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna let those elk and that temperament let
Speaker 1: me know what my next call should be. Should I,
Speaker 1: you know, be cow calling? Should I be bugling? Should
Speaker 1: I be raking? Should I be chuckling or running? I
Speaker 1: let that temperament play. I don't get too caught up
Speaker 1: and that that bowl chuckle three times, and then I
Speaker 1: need to do what you know, I need to interpret
Speaker 1: what that meant and why he did that. I'm just
Speaker 1: all right, he's biggling a lot, he's you know this,
Speaker 1: or he's bark screaming after I've made calls. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he wants this, you know, he wants us to show
Speaker 1: ourselves whatever it may be. Like I'm going off a
Speaker 1: temperament next when it comes to calling, and a lot
Speaker 1: of new hunters kind of run into this is they
Speaker 1: won't make calls or they're afraid to call because they
Speaker 1: don't think they're good enough. So don't ever get hung
Speaker 1: up on needing to be the best caller. All elks
Speaker 1: sound different, and some of the worst elk calls I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of come from real elk, So do not
Speaker 1: get hung up on that. Be confident enough going into
Speaker 1: the hunt that you're willing to make a sound, and
Speaker 1: then go with that. Next to if I'm hunting a
Speaker 1: herd bull, A lot of times I will go with
Speaker 1: this calling sequence. I just said, I'll plan the temperament.
Speaker 1: But I if I'm able to, let's say, move into
Speaker 1: eighty two hundred yards without making a peep without those
Speaker 1: elk knowing there, I kind of run the let's steal
Speaker 1: a cow. I try to paint that scene and this
Speaker 1: is more of herd bull tactics. So I will get
Speaker 1: within eighty two hundred yards and I will then do
Speaker 1: an estrous wine, which is more of a whiny instead
Speaker 1: of just yeah, so it's more up and down. It's whiney,
Speaker 1: and then I will immediately follow that with a challenge beagle.
Speaker 1: And what I've tried to do is say you have
Speaker 1: a cow at the edge of your herd that needs
Speaker 1: some attention, and there is a new bowl that is
Speaker 1: in the area that's now here you know, or one
Speaker 1: of the satellite bulls that have been around you is
Speaker 1: now you know, near her, and this works better. And
Speaker 1: this is one of the reasons I like to see
Speaker 1: the elk that I'm hunting. If I know that there's
Speaker 1: some semi mature satellite bulls that are around this herd bowl,
Speaker 1: that seems to be a very good tactic, you know,
Speaker 1: for that. Now, if you're after a satellite bowl that
Speaker 1: is run by himself or four to five hundred yards
Speaker 1: off of cows behind the herd, using lots and lots
Speaker 1: of sexy cow talk, you know, Estra's wines, lots of meuse.
Speaker 1: You can even throw some you know, Estra's buzzes at them,
Speaker 1: and we've got to see these elk, you know, in
Speaker 1: burns or in clearcuts before. It seems like the more
Speaker 1: cow talk you can throw at them, the quicker those
Speaker 1: elk will come in. So those are my two favorite scenarios.
Speaker 1: I know, they're very very cookie cutter. One thing I
Speaker 1: hate about trying to talk about elk cutting is there
Speaker 1: are a thousand factors, and for each each factor that
Speaker 1: contributes to my next decision, it would be impossible for
Speaker 1: me to lay out all of these scenes. So these
Speaker 1: are very very cookie cutter, very very you know, vanilla
Speaker 1: in my approach. But it's the best that I can
Speaker 1: do because any real life calling situation, there are so
Speaker 1: many factors. You know, how many elk around, how many
Speaker 1: people around, the wind, you know, the type of timber
Speaker 1: I'm in, the type of underbrush. All of these things
Speaker 1: now affect those decisions. And we could here for you know,
Speaker 1: years trying to explain you know, situations, and you give
Speaker 1: you enough examples. So these are very very cookie cutter.
Speaker 1: You know, we've got satellite bowls without any herd, bulls
Speaker 1: or cows around, and you've got a herd bowl with
Speaker 1: cows around those are our you know, typical calling. So
Speaker 1: then I just let the situation call my next move.
Speaker 1: When I call, I'm very attentive. I'm listening. Do I
Speaker 1: hear elk running away? Do I hear bulls bigling? Do
Speaker 1: I hear stick snapping? Do I hear anything? I'm very prescriptive,
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna adjust to what is happening right now.
Speaker 1: Let's say I moved in on a herd bowl that
Speaker 1: wasn't very active, and I didn't feel confident in painting.
Speaker 1: Let's steal a cow because maybe he's going to be flighty,
Speaker 1: or I just feel like he's going to be flighty.
Speaker 1: I may go in and just hit him with some
Speaker 1: cow calls, just to start, just normal cow calls, not
Speaker 1: not the estri swine, followed by herd bull and then
Speaker 1: I evaluate did he respond no or yes? If he does,
Speaker 1: then maybe I'll.
Speaker 2: Give him some more. Is he getting closer? No? Yes?
Speaker 1: Do I need to move closer? Do I need to
Speaker 1: like up my my frequency or or the urgency.
Speaker 2: Of my cow calls?
Speaker 1: You know, So you're just you're always evaluating what's going on,
Speaker 1: and then you're making adjustments to that, you know, what's happening,
Speaker 1: and then playing from there. If you've got a you know,
Speaker 1: if you've got a partner or an elk caller, somebody
Speaker 1: calling for you when you go to call, I want
Speaker 1: to make sure that my caller is close enough to
Speaker 1: that bowl when we set up to still be a threat.
Speaker 1: As I've said, you exponentially, your your ability to call
Speaker 1: elkin exponentially diminishes as you get farther and farther away
Speaker 1: from that bowl. So we've all watched you know, old
Speaker 1: hunting videos growing up where the caller could set back
Speaker 1: one hundred yards and call an elkin. Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you I've tried it a lot, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't work because we're not on you know, some
Speaker 1: ranch and you know, some private ranch where these elk
Speaker 1: have the ability to you know, there's the the col
Speaker 1: ratio so high. A lot of times, our caller needs
Speaker 1: to be very very close to the hunter. I love,
Speaker 1: as a hunter or a caller to be able to
Speaker 1: have communication or a visual on the shooter or the
Speaker 1: caller so that we can communicate whether it's you know,
Speaker 1: you're telling them to bugle, because you know, the shooters
Speaker 1: may be able to see how they react, or whether
Speaker 1: it's cow call, or whether it's the like you know,
Speaker 1: don't call anymore at all, whatever it may be, that
Speaker 1: that tends to help. The other thing that we do
Speaker 1: when you've got a partners that's calling for you is
Speaker 1: if you let the wind be just a little bit unperfect.
Speaker 1: If if you're back behind the shooter and the wind's
Speaker 1: hitting us from the right a little bit, that caller
Speaker 1: should then be back behind you and to the right,
Speaker 1: because as that elk tries to get wind on the
Speaker 1: so called elk or the caller, that elk will get
Speaker 1: to a certain point, whether it's seventy eighty yards closer farther,
Speaker 1: and it will start to loop to the left, and
Speaker 1: by that caller being back to the right, it will
Speaker 1: loop that elk closer in the shooter for a shot.
Speaker 1: So as a as a partner strategy, that's very very important. Solo,
Speaker 1: if you want to get the same reaction, you can
Speaker 1: make a call and then move up to your left.
Speaker 1: So you may make that call one hundred yards and
Speaker 1: then move up to your left, you know, eighty yards,
Speaker 1: and that will give give the give the idea that
Speaker 1: the callers actually moved back. Now, if you need to
Speaker 1: make another call, you're going to kind of give up
Speaker 1: that location. But but that's that's kind of how we
Speaker 1: handle you know all of that, and and you know
Speaker 1: setting up and calling. Don't be afraid too to just
Speaker 1: to make natural sounds, you know, whether it's cow sounds,
Speaker 1: whether it's bugles. I like to use mimicry. So when
Speaker 1: I say, you know, make natural sounds, you know, I
Speaker 1: that's one good thing about being a good olt caller
Speaker 1: is I've got the ability I can hear a sound
Speaker 1: about I know how to do that on my diaphragm,
Speaker 1: or I can I can replicate that, So I do
Speaker 1: a lot of mimicry on my diaphragm. So whatever bowl
Speaker 1: I'm trying to call in, if he growls and then
Speaker 1: chuckle three times, I'm going to growl and chuckle it
Speaker 1: three times. And then one of the ways that I
Speaker 1: turn the temperature up on them and actually kind of
Speaker 1: increase their temperament or make them more frustrated is in
Speaker 1: addition to mimicry, if they start to bugle, I will
Speaker 1: kind of listen to their bugle through it, but I
Speaker 1: will start my bugle about halfway through theirs and not
Speaker 1: let them finish it, you know, or finish it cleanly.
Speaker 1: So I'm always going to kind of stomp on their bugles,
Speaker 1: mimic them, and then be the last one to finish
Speaker 1: my call. I've found that it works very, very well.
Speaker 1: It's very effective, and at the worst case scenario, if
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out what the elk are saying,
Speaker 1: I'm saying the same dang thing he is, because we're
Speaker 1: bugling exactly the same, right. So there is the idea
Speaker 1: that if there is some hidden Elk language that some
Speaker 1: people are trying to depict or it actually mean something,
Speaker 1: even though I've watched many many elk and found that
Speaker 1: not to be true. It's more of an individual you know,
Speaker 1: I can watch you know, it's more of an individual
Speaker 1: thing on how Elk talk than what they're saying. But
Speaker 1: a worst case scenario, if I'm doing mimicry, I'm saying
Speaker 1: the same thing to the herd that this bowl is,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying the same thing to him as he
Speaker 1: may be saying to me.
Speaker 2: So worst case.
Speaker 1: Scenario, whether you believe in that or not, mimicry is
Speaker 1: a great way to kind of just like conservatively cover
Speaker 1: up you know what the elk are saying. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and then after that, like the shooting through a podcast,
Speaker 1: I can't help you on your shooting, you know, just
Speaker 1: just have a system.
Speaker 2: You know, shoot enough.
Speaker 1: During the summer, be able to talk yourself through the shot,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's draw anchor breathe, whole level center,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it may be. And then tracking is
Speaker 1: just you have to be in it a lot. Like
Speaker 1: you can't teach tracking here either. Besides, you know, being
Speaker 1: able to look for blood, being able to look for
Speaker 1: you know, things that are out of place, and then
Speaker 1: just having you know, there's the grid idea. If you
Speaker 1: do lose blood, being able to grid or have a
Speaker 1: more educated guess in the direction they elk we're going
Speaker 1: will typically you know, pay off. But it does take
Speaker 1: a lot of experience. I've been fortunate to be on
Speaker 1: a lot of blood trails, you know, some good, some bad,
Speaker 1: and I learned from all of those. Go out there
Speaker 1: and elk count with the purpose, whether it's being successful,
Speaker 1: whether it's having fun. I know when we talk about
Speaker 1: you know, purpose, a lot of times we dwell on
Speaker 1: the or we talk about the success, which is I
Speaker 1: think what the majority of the listeners are tuning in for.
Speaker 1: But there are other reasons. You know, go out there,
Speaker 1: have fun, give it more effort, be more methodical in
Speaker 1: your decisions. Everything should add up to finding success. And
Speaker 1: I promise that if you go out there and elk
Speaker 1: count with the purpose and success is part of that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have more fun. Maybe you know, there may
Speaker 1: be somebody that that you know doesn't like the type
Speaker 1: too fun and just assume not have to pack an
Speaker 1: elk out. But for anybody that I know, anybody I've
Speaker 1: talked to, you like, you're going to have more fun
Speaker 1: when you're successful and go out there, you know, set
Speaker 1: a goal, have a purpose, do everything you need to
Speaker 1: to make it happen. And we appreciate all of you
Speaker 1: tuning into cutting the distance and good luck out there
Speaker 1: this fall as you chase Alchrayn