WEBVTT - Ep. 99: Elk Hunting with a Purpose

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Elk

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<v Speaker 1>season is literally right around the corner. We're about a

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<v Speaker 1>week and a half away, and the majority of us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in September rolls around, that's our time to

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<v Speaker 1>go chase buglin bowls. And in my opinion, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>better critter to hunt than elk. Why they're biglin. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll argue with the meal deer hunters and the white

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<v Speaker 1>tail guys all day long. There's nothing that quite gets

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<v Speaker 1>the hair to stand up on the back of your

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<v Speaker 1>neck like a buglin bowl at close distance.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyways, I decided to.

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<v Speaker 1>Take today and kind of go through my seminars that

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<v Speaker 1>I typically do, and I name that seminar Elk Cutting

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<v Speaker 1>with the Purpose. And you know, those that know my background,

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<v Speaker 1>I overanalyze everything. I try to figure out why, the

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<v Speaker 1>how comes and the why is and try to methodically

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what matt and why. And so when I

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<v Speaker 1>did that, I ended up like reducing that down to

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<v Speaker 1>having a purpose when you're out there, Like what is

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<v Speaker 1>your goal? Are you out there just to have fun?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you out there to kill any legal elk? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you out there strictly to put meat in the freezer.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you out there to kill the biggest bowl in

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain? And I'm all of those are acceptable. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it to go out there and hang out with friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family and laugh and you have a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>whiskeys around the fire? Is it to you know, watch

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<v Speaker 1>the sunrise with your kids? Whatever that may be. You

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<v Speaker 1>needed to find that and make sure you know before

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the middle of the hunt that you've got

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<v Speaker 1>that well to fined and and that you're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>out there and you know, do the best to fulfill

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everything and that purpose. So to break this down,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how to elk coume with the purpose. So

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<v Speaker 1>you've you've created that purpose and we just went through

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<v Speaker 1>a list of you know, some of those. It could

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<v Speaker 1>be you know, many many more. Whatever it may be.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you only you can define that. But from there,

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm on the hunt, from the time I'm going there,

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<v Speaker 1>from the time I arrive, every decision that I make

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<v Speaker 1>at that point should be with the intention of that purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a building block towards the goal that I've set

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<v Speaker 1>for myself. So I don't like, you know, if if

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<v Speaker 1>you know a rockstar monster, you know, at whatever energy drink,

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<v Speaker 1>red Bull, whatever your your choice, you know, black rifle, coffee,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you're looking for, you know, a latte down at

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<v Speaker 1>the coffee stand, if that sounds good.

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<v Speaker 2>But yet I need to be and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can somehow talk myself into going and getting that in

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<v Speaker 1>town that might be a twenty minute away from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minute drive or twenty mile drive from camp versus me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, going and finding elk in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the day. That is a bad decision, no matter how

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<v Speaker 1>much you know. And then all even the grimlins kind

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of creep in and like, but it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>like a picker up or you know, it'll it'll help

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<v Speaker 1>your mental game. And I don't buy into that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if I can't with the you know, honestly answer

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<v Speaker 1>the question that this decision and this effort will be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a building block towards my goal, and I

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<v Speaker 1>won't do it anymore. During a hunt, I'm out there

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<v Speaker 1>with a specific purpose to kill a ball, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest bowl that I can find. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of fun, so I try to

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<v Speaker 1>balance those street. Now, if your purpose was to take

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<v Speaker 1>your kid hunting, and if going to the store and

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<v Speaker 1>getting an ice cream or or whatever was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>helps you fulfill that purpose, then by all means that's

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<v Speaker 1>part of your goal. But we you know, you have

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<v Speaker 1>different goals. So I'm kind of talking, you know, with

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<v Speaker 1>with out of both sides of my mouth, But it

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<v Speaker 1>really goes back to what your purpose and what your

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<v Speaker 1>goal is for that hunt always question what you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>after you make the initial decision. I'll make some crazy

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<v Speaker 1>decisions at times where in my mind, going back into

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<v Speaker 1>basin that's seven or eight miles deep that had a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of elk in last year was just loaded, is

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<v Speaker 1>the best decision I could make. And while I get

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<v Speaker 1>in there, I can't find any sign or the elk

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<v Speaker 1>maybe aren't there, or there's a bunch of boot tracks

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<v Speaker 1>in there or something. So I'm always you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm only two or three miles in and things

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<v Speaker 1>aren't starting to add up, or the tracks are starting

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<v Speaker 1>to show, or something just isn't isn't jiving, and I

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<v Speaker 1>start to question that plan, like is this still the

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<v Speaker 1>best thing to do?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's like, well, I'll give it two more miles

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<v Speaker 1>to another main trail junction and I'll reevaluate but don't

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<v Speaker 1>just always go be willing to adapt and change your plans.

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<v Speaker 2>For me. My goal is and purpose. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>hunt hard.

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<v Speaker 1>All the time, from from sun up to sundown, all

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<v Speaker 1>day long, even after the sun goes down, before the

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<v Speaker 1>sun comes up. If that, if my plan dictates that

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<v Speaker 1>I need to be up two hours before dark so

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<v Speaker 1>I can get the wind right, which means getting down

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<v Speaker 1>below the elk, typically down valley, down slope, and I

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<v Speaker 1>need to be in that spot, then if that means

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<v Speaker 1>I got to set my alarm clock for three thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>then that's what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I try not.

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<v Speaker 1>There were times where I would be lazy at times

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<v Speaker 1>and like I'm gonna have an easy one because I

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<v Speaker 1>was fortunate where I grew up hunting that I could

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<v Speaker 1>typically find one that wasn't going to be a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot of extra work somewhere along the hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>Nowadays, not so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I've also been at this long enough that I hunt

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<v Speaker 1>hard all the time because it only takes one one

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to go right. It only takes you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>wind to be right one time, the bowl to react

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<v Speaker 1>and to everything he needs to for me to make

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect shot. It only takes one but I've also

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<v Speaker 1>been on hunts to know that that one opportunity maybe

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<v Speaker 1>on day nine or ten or the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Day of the hunt. So it could come early in

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<v Speaker 2>the hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>On day one. We've had that happen. It could come

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<v Speaker 1>on the very last day of the hunt. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I say it only takes one, you don't know when

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<v Speaker 1>that one's going to be. And so we're always hunting hard.

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<v Speaker 1>We're always trying to treat every stock, every opportunity like

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<v Speaker 1>it's the last. It's it's kind of crazy when we

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<v Speaker 1>when we think about it, we always seem to do

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<v Speaker 1>things a little bit better, a little more deliberately on

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<v Speaker 1>that last couple of days of the hunt, because things

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<v Speaker 1>are now critical if you screw this up. But and

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<v Speaker 1>then I always remind myself, why don't you why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you give you know, your early you know your early

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<v Speaker 1>hunt stocks that much attention, and and why aren't you

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<v Speaker 1>at that height and awareness all the time. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I've been able to kind of to tweak my brain

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and we treat everything like this as

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<v Speaker 1>your only opportunity because it does only take one, but

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<v Speaker 1>you may only get that one. As I just mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>treat every stock like it's the last of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of on the next bullet point, and my

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<v Speaker 1>my slide always you know, this is kind of going

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<v Speaker 1>into my purpose. I always remind myself you can't cheat

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<v Speaker 1>the win. There are times where it's like, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to make a four hundred foot loop around this elk

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<v Speaker 1>with the wind going to them. I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 1>them the wind, but I think because of the ridges

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<v Speaker 1>and the way this lays out, the wind won't get

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<v Speaker 1>to them, and I will risk that, and I used

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<v Speaker 1>to risk that.

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<v Speaker 2>I will no longer risk the wind.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go half mile a mile out of my way

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<v Speaker 1>to get around the elk, to make sure that they

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<v Speaker 1>are still in that location, they're calm and comfortable when

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<v Speaker 1>I get there and I haven't buggered them up and

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<v Speaker 1>have to try to, you know, deal with elk that

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<v Speaker 1>most likely aren't going to be called in at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can never cheat the wind. Always put in

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<v Speaker 1>more effort, you know, and get around them. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can argue over how in perfect conditions and

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<v Speaker 1>certain winds, like how far can elk smell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always just assumed five.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred to seven hundred you're going to get picked off,

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<v Speaker 1>and so if you're outside that seven hundred. But nowadays

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really look at a distance. I look at

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<v Speaker 1>terrain and just make sure that whatever my approach is,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to get winded. The next thing which

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<v Speaker 1>people could see is false confidence or cockiness is I

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<v Speaker 1>expects on every out kind I'm on, whether it's over

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<v Speaker 1>the counter Washington tag, whether it's the best tag that

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<v Speaker 1>I've gotten, you know, Wyoming, or wherever it may be, Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>I expect to find success every single hunt I'm on.

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<v Speaker 1>And that starts with my Google you know, my Google scouting,

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<v Speaker 1>my on ex map scouting, you know, everything that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at. I'm drawing up these plans that and almost

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<v Speaker 1>visualizing I'm gonna kill a buck or a bowl. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about bulls, but you know, I'm gonna kill

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<v Speaker 1>a bowl in this basin because it's going to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna kill this in that spot. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>can visualize it happening, and I can see that I

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<v Speaker 1>visualize that there's not going to be that many people

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<v Speaker 1>in on this trailhead because it's step or it's rugged.

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<v Speaker 2>I can start.

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<v Speaker 1>To to you know, almost you know, force the success

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. And if I can't buy into that planet,

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<v Speaker 1>if I can't you know, fool myself or or convince myself,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm going to have success. Then I need to

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<v Speaker 1>go back and change my plan. And well, I buy

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<v Speaker 1>into that plan. It's very very important for me to

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<v Speaker 1>see this through from beginning to end in order to

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of, you know, materialize that success. If I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not bought into the plan and I'm just going through

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<v Speaker 1>the motions, I'm I'm, you know, a tenth of the

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<v Speaker 1>Elk hunter I should be or can be because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just not bought in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not expecting elk to be in certain patches of Timber,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just hunt kind of lacks daisical and and

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm not on my a game. The next

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<v Speaker 1>bullet kind of ties into that. Don't just go through

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<v Speaker 1>the motions. If you ever find yourself just hiking because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a trail in front of you and not because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a there's an elk destination or there is a

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<v Speaker 1>spot you need to get to or want to get to,

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<v Speaker 1>then find a new plan or do something different or

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<v Speaker 1>change your purpose or goal like if you're just going

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<v Speaker 1>through the motions because you want to hike, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe run into an elk, then that that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you need to set your goal as. But with me,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go just go through the motions

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<v Speaker 1>because I've got a purpose of killing a bowl and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to kill a good b So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>just going through the motions, you reevaluate your goals and

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<v Speaker 1>purpose or reevaluate what you're doing and make a change.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get probably too too caught up, but I

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<v Speaker 1>still have a lot of fun. But I found that

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot more fun when I'm successful. When

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<v Speaker 1>me and my buddies are grinding and out with the

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<v Speaker 1>full pack meat on our backs, you know, getting horns

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<v Speaker 1>out in tough, difficult spots like that's when we have

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<v Speaker 1>the most fun.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It is definitely type too fun, but but that makes it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, funner for us. But it's it is important

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<v Speaker 1>to have fun, no matter what your purpose, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what your goal is. I know, we can get into

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<v Speaker 1>debates all over the place on whether hunting's supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be fun or if it's a food gathering. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>exercise and fun is just a byproduct, I'll argue with

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<v Speaker 1>those people all day long. I have a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>fun elk hunting. I have a ton of fun with

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<v Speaker 1>my buddies, my family, people that I get to meet.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of fun while we're out there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sweating our asses off, you're kind of grinding

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<v Speaker 1>it out, chasing bigling. So while it may seem like

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<v Speaker 1>with all of this, you know, effort put into finding

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<v Speaker 1>success as my purpose or my goal, I still do

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of fun. And at times I have

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<v Speaker 1>to remind myself to have fun because you know, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get down on myself when something doesn't work out or

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<v Speaker 1>I make a wrong decision and I start to question,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everything that's going on. But but that's where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you need to remind yourself to have fun

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<v Speaker 1>while you're on that hunt. And and so, like I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, we kind of go through what's your goal?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, is filling the freezer, having fun, killing the

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<v Speaker 1>mature bowl, spending time in the woods within you know,

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<v Speaker 1>friends and family or is it a combination of many

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<v Speaker 1>of those things? And I think for ninety nine percent

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<v Speaker 1>of people it is a combination of those things. They're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to fill the freezer. They're trying to kill the

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<v Speaker 1>best bowl in the hill. They're trying to have as

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<v Speaker 1>many laughs as possible to friends define that, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to kind of dictate, you know, how you approach

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<v Speaker 1>the hunt, you know, and then I always put a

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<v Speaker 1>plan together, multiple plans, you know, plan A through Z

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<v Speaker 1>in case things don't go right or I show up

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<v Speaker 1>and things are wrong, or I can't camp on the spot.

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought I was gonna camp, and then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always evaluating, you know, reevaluating my plan as I mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I need to go out and execute. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we're going to talk about now is and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna probably walk through the majority of this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>elk hunting with the purpose, with the intention of being

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<v Speaker 1>successful and and you know, trying to kill a bowl

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<v Speaker 1>and put it in the freezer. So one thing I

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<v Speaker 1>asked myself a long time ago when I started talking

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<v Speaker 1>about elk hunting, and really at the first time when

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<v Speaker 1>somebody asks you, because you just go through the motions,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've I found success with a bow. I

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<v Speaker 1>found success with calling elk early on, and it not

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<v Speaker 1>until a few years later I kind of had to

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<v Speaker 1>had to sit down and reevaluate what makes a successful

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<v Speaker 1>elk hunter, and I kind of came up with three

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<v Speaker 1>h three excuse me, eight key factors, uh that that

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<v Speaker 1>seem to kind of matter, and I'm gonna kind of

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<v Speaker 1>walk through these and explain them. So scouting, scouting or

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to find the animal bull elk that you

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<v Speaker 1>you're after. So scouting is huge. Are you out in

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<v Speaker 1>the woods all the time? Guys that are out Guys

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<v Speaker 1>and gals that are out in the woods all the

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<v Speaker 1>time will typically always be more successful than people that

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<v Speaker 1>show up on opening day or go back to the

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<v Speaker 1>same spots year after year. Some hunts can solely be

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<v Speaker 1>the success that can be like solely attributed to scouting.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not solely, but the majority. That factor is

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<v Speaker 1>the overarching majority of why you were successful. The second

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<v Speaker 1>one was physical conditioning. Be in as good as shape

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<v Speaker 1>as you can. It's never gonna hurt, it's always gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get e too farther. You're never gonna give up on elk.

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<v Speaker 1>And physical conditioning really kind of translates over into mental

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<v Speaker 1>you know, your mental game, because if you're in bad sha,

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<v Speaker 1>your body's gonna start to question, you know, are you

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<v Speaker 1>should you be going or we should probably come up

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<v Speaker 1>with a different plan because your body's starting to break

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<v Speaker 1>down a little bit. You know that just being as

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<v Speaker 1>good as shape as possible. I'm not gonna dwell on

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<v Speaker 1>that topic, but that's always gonna help. It's always gonna help.

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<v Speaker 1>It's never gonna hurt you by being in better shape.

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<v Speaker 1>Your gear, you know, I wouldn't spend too much time

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<v Speaker 1>on this either, but just have the best gear you

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<v Speaker 1>can afford. You don't need everything, doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>top of the line, but good gear does make the

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<v Speaker 1>hunt more.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 1>You you know, if you have better optics, you will

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<v Speaker 1>probably spot more elk. If you have a better range,

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<v Speaker 1>find or you might not get a missed range. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have a better bow, you may be able to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot a little bit faster and not miss the vitals.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have better you know, a tent, you may

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<v Speaker 1>be able to stay longer. It may be lighter, you

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<v Speaker 1>may be able to pack farther. You know, a broadhead,

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<v Speaker 1>A good broadhead may provide better blood. Any of these

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<v Speaker 1>things can be attributed to gear, But I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to dwell on that one. Let's just find the best

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<v Speaker 1>gear you can afford or the best gear for your

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<v Speaker 1>situation and roll with it. Number four is elk calling.

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've probably hung my hat on this one more

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<v Speaker 1>than anything else. But I also understand the elk cunting knowledge,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being able to shoot my bull, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>setting up all these other things are also very very important.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that by being a good ELK caller, you

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<v Speaker 1>open up just another another chapter in the playbook to

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<v Speaker 1>killing elk. Anybody that's listening to me long enough, I've

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<v Speaker 1>admitted multiple times that you know, spot in stock on

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<v Speaker 1>big herd bulls that are buggling and rutting can be

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<v Speaker 1>very effective calling elk and bushing elk, sitting over water

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be, you know, sitting in pinch points

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<v Speaker 1>can all be very very effective ways to hunt elk.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to call elk, and so that's what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>out there trying to do. And by being able to

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<v Speaker 1>call elk, I've killed some great bulls. So why you

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<v Speaker 1>know some people will say you can't kill herd bulls

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<v Speaker 1>by calling. You can't do this, you know, with calling,

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<v Speaker 1>calling scares them off. You can't call elkin in this area.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't call elk in New Mexico or Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever it may be.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've I've proven the majority of those wrong as

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<v Speaker 1>well as others. So it just gives me another tool

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<v Speaker 1>in my toolbox. And if I elect to use that

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<v Speaker 1>or not is on me. But being a good ELK

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<v Speaker 1>caller and having those tools and you know or are

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<v Speaker 1>very important. And then the next one is elk and acknowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that somebody's ability to know where elk will be,

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<v Speaker 1>where elk will go, what elk are wanting to do,

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<v Speaker 1>what elk you know have been doing, is very important.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody that can find tracks and tell you if they're

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<v Speaker 1>a day or two old, which direction they're going. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that can run across some elkscat, you know, step on

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<v Speaker 1>it with the edge of their shoe and.

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<v Speaker 2>Be able to tell you, you know, how old is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Have they been here recently?

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody that can walk into a rub and say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this elk, you know this rub was here a week

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<v Speaker 1>ago because the bark's still kind of pliable, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still kind of brittle, or if it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>last year because the needles were red. You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody can look at a map and just almost instant

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<v Speaker 1>instantly know this area is going to hold elk, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you can zoom in and see where there's trails

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<v Speaker 1>in the alpine or you know, if there's a meadow

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<v Speaker 1>down in the creek bottom, like, oh, something's obviously using

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<v Speaker 1>that there's no cattle in this area, that's probably so

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, being able to show up to a

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<v Speaker 1>spot that you've only ever scouted online and being able

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, take your plan, look at it quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>reduce the country if if at different, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>there's differences from what you thought you were going to

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<v Speaker 1>see when you got there, and then within a day

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out if they were elk there, or if your

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<v Speaker 1>plan is going to be able to even work in

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<v Speaker 1>this area. So elk cutting knowledge, you know, the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to track elk nowhere elk are going to be is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest, you know, the biggest you know problems.

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<v Speaker 2>That people will have on not being success.

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<v Speaker 1>And it sounds very cliche, but you can't kill elk

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<v Speaker 1>without being able to find elk. So that elk hunting knowledge,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when to call, you know, we go back

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<v Speaker 1>to calling, when do you call? When you can you

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<v Speaker 1>read the temperament of a bowl. You know, all those

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<v Speaker 1>things come in come into play. Shooting your boat is

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<v Speaker 1>another big one. Are you confident enough to make the

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<v Speaker 1>shot when all these other things happen? You know, are

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<v Speaker 1>you only confident out to thirty yards? A guy or

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<v Speaker 1>gal that is only confident in shooting an elk at

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<v Speaker 1>thirty yards, it's going to have a whole lot, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot less opportunity than somebody that's even comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty yards. You know, the difference on the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of elk that we'll get to fifty versus thirty is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good stack most of the time, unless you

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<v Speaker 1>know setups and scenarios and the rut and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>everything aligns. But there, I would say, you start to

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<v Speaker 1>lose half your elk that you can't get between fifty

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty, you know, just in general. You know, then

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<v Speaker 1>you go to your tracking kind of kind of touches

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<v Speaker 1>with shooting. There's some there's some skins and being able

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<v Speaker 1>to track, being able to see something that's not normal,

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<v Speaker 1>being able to read it. You know, if a bull

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<v Speaker 1>gets hitting the right shoulder and you see them kind

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<v Speaker 1>of limp and away, being able to read that that

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<v Speaker 1>front left hoof is going to put more pressure in

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. Being able to read that you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>fern is freshly broken and bent over. Being able to

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<v Speaker 1>read blood signs, having the knowledge that and elk has

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<v Speaker 1>typically been heading in this direction. If you lose blood,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of tend to follow elk in that direction.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, just things that that you will pick up.

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<v Speaker 1>And being able to track, be able to get down

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<v Speaker 1>and pick up blood easily. You know, all these things go.

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<v Speaker 1>Shooting tracking kind of go together. But until you're there

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<v Speaker 1>that and tell you not that tag like you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been successful. In my opinion, that's that's a big component.

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<v Speaker 1>And so being able to shoot and track very very important.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we talk about this too much, but it

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<v Speaker 1>also lets you know that we think is very important.

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<v Speaker 1>I've said it a bunch, I will say it again.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that most elk hunters are good, good enough

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<v Speaker 1>to get everything right until they go to set up.

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<v Speaker 1>They can find elk, they can locate elk, They're good

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<v Speaker 1>enough shape to move in on elk. But when they

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<v Speaker 1>go to set up, they make bad decisions or they

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<v Speaker 1>set up in a spot that isn't ideal for that elk.

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<v Speaker 1>Being able to see them and they will not get

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<v Speaker 1>a shot because that bowl is going to hang up.

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<v Speaker 1>So set up in a spot where when that bull

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<v Speaker 1>sees you, you should have a clear shot at the vitals.

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<v Speaker 1>And the last one is just mental toughness. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we look at all these other things that are semi

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<v Speaker 1>you know, skill driven or you know, things that that

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<v Speaker 1>you can, you know, teach yourself. But mental toughness, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel is also taught. But a little bit is just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of there. You either have it or you don't,

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<v Speaker 1>or you need to build it somehow, or you need

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<v Speaker 1>to hunt with a partner that has it. But mental

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<v Speaker 1>toughness I can. I can have all these other things dialed,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I can have the biggest bulls scouted out.

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<v Speaker 1>I can be in ultra marathon shape, physical conditioning, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being able to lift up a you know, a car

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<v Speaker 1>or what I you know, just tougher than nails. I

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<v Speaker 1>can have the best gear. I can be the best

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<v Speaker 1>ELK color. I can I can know everything about ELK.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are times where things still will not go

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<v Speaker 1>your way and you're gonna need to rely on that

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<v Speaker 1>mental toughness to stay in the game, to not hike

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<v Speaker 1>out and go try a new area to not hike

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<v Speaker 1>out to the truck and you know, lick your wounds

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<v Speaker 1>and try to make up a new plan. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of stay the course. You need to grind

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<v Speaker 1>it out. You need to take the kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>battle back to that bowl and so being mentally tough,

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<v Speaker 1>pushing the next ridge over, you know, riding your bike

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<v Speaker 1>the next three miles into a clear cut where you

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<v Speaker 1>think there might be you know something. All of that

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<v Speaker 1>is going to add up to making you a better

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<v Speaker 1>elk hunter. And so then what I like to do

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<v Speaker 1>is I take all of those things we just talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of each year, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>preparing me for the following year. Is what do I

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<v Speaker 1>need to work on? What were my weaknesses? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Was I in good enough shape? Was I a good

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<v Speaker 2>enough shooter this year?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Was did I make a bad shot? Was

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<v Speaker 1>I confident enough enough out to a certain distance?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Did I set up real real poorly on a few

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<v Speaker 1>of these setups? Like do I need to rethink this?

0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Why did I do that? Why was I lazy and not?

0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:05.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, why didn't I set up in a spot

0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:07.520
<v Speaker 1>that was you know, fifty yards up or whatever it

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 1>may be. Why did I settle on that? And so

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<v Speaker 1>I like to go through and kind of reevaluate and

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<v Speaker 1>then work on my weaknesses to become a better elk hunter.

0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, I look at all of those those things,

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<v Speaker 1>try to reduce them down to what mattered, what didn't matter?

0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:26.959
<v Speaker 1>Can I get rid of some gear? Do I need

0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.879
<v Speaker 1>to bring all of these elk calls? You know, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it may be. And I feel by looking at those things,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to make you a better elk hunter, which

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<v Speaker 1>in turn will make you a more successful elk hunter.

0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.560
<v Speaker 1>And for me, that really kind of ties into my

0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:45.080
<v Speaker 1>goal and my purpose when I'm out there elk hunting.

0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.440
<v Speaker 1>So let's say we've talked about all those things and

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<v Speaker 1>season is here, you know, or s's coming up, you know, scout,

0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:02.880
<v Speaker 1>if possible, you should be on elk to start with.

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I need to be able to break that country down

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.560
<v Speaker 1>as quick as possible to find elk. I need to

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.680
<v Speaker 1>have a plan to check in on certain areas. And

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.240
<v Speaker 1>when I talk about this, I'm looking at depressions and ridges,

0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at wallows, I'm looking at water bodies, I'm

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.120
<v Speaker 1>looking at open meadows. I'm looking at the fringes between

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, train features. I want to be in optimum

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 1>spots at first light. In last light, I will kick

0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.240
<v Speaker 1>myself in the butt every time, and I just don't

0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.679
<v Speaker 1>allow it anymore. For me to be in a mediocre

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 1>spot as the sun rises, I means I need to

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 1>set my alarm early enough. I need to give myself

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and I would much rather be sitting in the dark

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.879
<v Speaker 1>on a good lookout, you know, half hour before listening

0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.800
<v Speaker 1>for bugles and be rushing because I'm late to get

0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 1>to a spot and show up a half hour after daylight,

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 1>because you may catch the glimpse of that ELK that

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 1>you need to get your day started or to create

0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:54.600
<v Speaker 1>your whole plan in that first ten or fifteen and

0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:55.280
<v Speaker 1>then they may be gone.

0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:56.399
<v Speaker 2>You would have never seen them again.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where you know you're you're opening day. You're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of getting ready.

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<v Speaker 2>For that hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you You then go into locating ELK, so

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:11.440
<v Speaker 1>it is opening morning. My favorite way to locate ELK.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though I love to call, I love to hear

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:16.399
<v Speaker 1>myself call. I love to get bulls to answer for me,

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I would much rather get a visual on ELK. So

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 1>locating ELK through optics or you know, through through the

0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:24.879
<v Speaker 1>lens of my eye. I want to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>spot elk. And the reason I'd rather do it visually

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.160
<v Speaker 1>versus audibly or or you know, verbally to start with,

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>is it allows me to ask the questions that I

0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 1>need to make better decisions. I can evaluate the elk.

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:39.440
<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Is there one herd bowl and three cows?

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Is there one herd bowl in ten cows? Is there

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 1>one herd bowl, four satellites and ten cows. Like, I

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 1>now have a lot more information that is going to affect,

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:49.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe affect the way that I go in and call.

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.679
<v Speaker 1>The second way to locate elk is to an audible method.

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.320
<v Speaker 1>So let's say I glass, I'll probably let a location

0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 1>be agle for my glossing point, but not probably until

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a half hour hour after daylight. I'm gonna you know,

0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>and then as I move down a ridge, I will

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of locate bugle into pockets anytime they open up

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 1>or there's new area I can I can bogle into.

0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 1>And so there's an audible method, and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>call that I will use ninety percent of time. It's

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 1>just a location bugle. It's a two to three high

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:19.720
<v Speaker 1>note bugle that I try to only let last for

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>two to two and a half seconds so then I

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 1>can listen. I will locate at night prior to a

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.680
<v Speaker 1>hunt or prior to being you know, the hunt starting,

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 1>or even during the hunt, and then still hunting is

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.359
<v Speaker 1>a way to locate elk, but you're kind of just

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, hiking through patches of timber or you know,

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 1>even betting areas. If it's late in the hunt, you

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>don't have a lot to lose. You can still hunt,

0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>which you know for those that you know may not

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.200
<v Speaker 1>know what still hunting is. It's just a slow spot

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 1>in stock type of hunt. You're trying to spot the

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 1>elk before they spot you, typically in timber, you know,

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and you're just trying to kind of drum up elk

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>as you as you move along. So let's say we

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.960
<v Speaker 1>locate elk, you know, either through audible or visual, what's

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.199
<v Speaker 1>my next move? I'm gonna, as I mentioned earlier, I'm

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>going to ask myself some questions if I can, if

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:11.159
<v Speaker 1>I can see him visually, I can ask kind of

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.679
<v Speaker 1>what are they doing, what are their plans? Are they feeding?

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Heading to bed? They're showing like major reading activity or

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>anything else. This needs all be considered before starting my approach,

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and then I need to figure out where I need

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>to set up. So if I spot a bowl from

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 1>two miles away, it might take me two hours to

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 1>get there, depending on the train and my approach and

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 1>the wind. If I spot bowls, you know, four or

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:37.680
<v Speaker 1>five hundred yards away, it may be a very quick decision.

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.680
<v Speaker 1>So I need to figure out where I need to

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 1>get to set up, because a bowl will be much

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:44.400
<v Speaker 1>more callable if I can get to a spot where

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 1>they naturally want to go versus a spot where I

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>want to call them to.

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 2>If that makes any sense. If a bull is.

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Going from feed to bed, it's way easier for me

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.480
<v Speaker 1>to call him to his bedroom or on his way

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:57.439
<v Speaker 1>to his bedroom that it is back to the original

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 1>feed spot where you spot at him. Maybe more of

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>an ambush and call. Being in that spot is going

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>to be way more effective than trying to call them backwards.

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>The closer and get to the bowl or his cow

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 1>is the better. I try to always get within one

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.439
<v Speaker 1>hundred yards if the train and vegetation allows me to,

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:18.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, hunting around Pacific Northwest growing up, I was

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>able to get elk you know, into sixty to seventy

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.919
<v Speaker 1>yards a lot of the time, and you need to

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>get close enough to become a threat to that bowl

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:28.640
<v Speaker 1>or close enough to be a cow to that bowl

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that he's willing to come far enough to check on

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>that cow, but it's not far enough that he feels

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>like he's leaving his herd. What time of day is

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 1>it when you spot these elk?

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:38.959
<v Speaker 2>Is it?

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 1>If it's at first thing in the morning, then you've

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>probably got three three and a half four hours depending

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>on the country, or in how quick the sun hits

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>it before your thermals are going to change, you know,

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 1>up slope. So if it's gonna if I spot the

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>elk at eight and I think it's going to be

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 1>ten o'clock till I get there, I may need to

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 1>just be patient and stay back, or I need to,

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, calculate that into my and at some point

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to be above those elk or hang

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>out behind a ridge long enough until that wind switches,

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, and elk are very smart. They are very

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 1>good at knowing when when the wind's going to switch,

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 1>being in a spot that protects them right up until

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 1>that point, and then betting in a spot that typically

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>has swirling winds and just protects them when they get there.

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:22.199
<v Speaker 1>So you know, your plan of just hiding in an

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>area you know may or may not work, but just

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.640
<v Speaker 1>keep that in mind that the elk are pretty dang

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 1>good at getting themselves in a spot where they're not

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:35.400
<v Speaker 1>going to get winded. We touch on this all the time.

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Setting up, You're where's the ball likely to come in?

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:38.959
<v Speaker 2>On?

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>So I get all the way over there now I'm

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>looking at at the ground on a very micro level.

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, I want to know within this fifty yard spot,

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>am I in a good enough Am I close enough

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 1>to the bowl? First off? And is this the best spot?

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>If I walk into the twenty yards is that spot better?

0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>If I stay back in another twenty yards is that

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>spot better? Am I now too far away from neilk?

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>So I'm I'm like over analyzing this because, as I

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>said multiple times on the other podcasts on this podcast,

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>setting up typically is a determining factor between getting a

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 1>shot within archie range or being able to see a

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>bowl kind of move around in the brush at seventy

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>or eighty yards away, And you need to look at

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>all that. I'm just gonna repeat it because it's worth saying.

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, where's that both most likely to come in?

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 1>What does the train and cover look like? When will

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 1>he be able to see me if he comes in

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>on that on that line? Which will direction will we

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>come in from? Do I have multiple shooting lanes? Can

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I move without making noise or brush? Have I set

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>up next to a tree where I can mimic, you know,

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 1>raking or beating of antlers on a tree, you know,

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of times I'll add that into my calling.

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>So I'm looking for all of these things to add

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>up to like a preferable set up. And then you're

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, lastly, you're thinking about the wind direction. Ideally

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the winds hitting you somewhere in the front. For reasons

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I've mentioned, I'd like the wind to hit me a

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit at an angle, whether it's thirty forty five

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>degrees somewhere in there, because that guarantees or dictates which

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>side he'll likely try to come around on, which gives

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>now gives me a better idea on where I should

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>set up. Now we'll kind of move into calling. So

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned, there's a lot of ways to kill ELK.

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I go back to my purpose and my goal. I've

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>set it a bunch. I'm out there for a specific

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 1>reaction from a specific bowl. I want that thing to

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>have his eyes rolled back in the back of his head.

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I want him to come in, you know, just bombing

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>in ready to kind of kick my butt because we

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>got too close to him. And that's my ideal situation.

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Now we don't always get that, but that's that's what

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to create out there, and that's what I'm

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 1>trying to get to. Now that we're set up, we're

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>going to start to call. I try not to get

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 1>too caught up, and we can argue about this, and

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even argue. I would just say, yep, you've

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 1>probably got a system that works. You know, some of

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>these people try to talk with. You have to understand

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>what the Elk are saying and what that means, and

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 1>then there should be a very specific response to that.

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 1>And I've never bought into that. I've never hunted, you know,

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>for the last shoot. I don't even know how long

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>it is now almost thirty years, I've been calling Elk

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>with nobody instructing me on how to do it, just

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of come up with my own system. I've always

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>played off their temperament. I've related, you know, related it

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>to fishing. You know, there's times I'll go to the

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>river and it's I'm gonna drown a worm, and then

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna, you know, throw a spinner, and then I'm

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna throw a wedding ring, and then I'm gonna throw

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>a panther Martina.

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna keep.

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Fishing with whatever I can until I figure it out. Well,

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 1>that's almost how I elk. If I've got a bowl

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>that is just hammering without me saying a word, he's

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>obviously his temperament is high. He's he's, you know, just

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>something is pestering him, you know, whether it's a cow

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and heat and there's a bowl glunking behind her. Like

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm gonna let those elk and that temperament let

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>me know what my next call should be. Should I,

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, be cow calling? Should I be bugling? Should

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I be raking? Should I be chuckling or running? I

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>let that temperament play. I don't get too caught up

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 1>and that that bowl chuckle three times, and then I

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>need to do what you know, I need to interpret

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>what that meant and why he did that. I'm just

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 1>all right, he's biggling a lot, he's you know this,

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>or he's bark screaming after I've made calls. I'm like,

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>he wants this, you know, he wants us to show

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 1>ourselves whatever it may be. Like I'm going off a

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 1>temperament next when it comes to calling, and a lot

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>of new hunters kind of run into this is they

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>won't make calls or they're afraid to call because they

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>don't think they're good enough. So don't ever get hung

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>up on needing to be the best caller. All elks

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>sound different, and some of the worst elk calls I've

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>ever heard of come from real elk, So do not

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>get hung up on that. Be confident enough going into

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the hunt that you're willing to make a sound, and

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>then go with that. Next to if I'm hunting a

0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 1>herd bull, A lot of times I will go with

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>this calling sequence. I just said, I'll plan the temperament.

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 1>But I if I'm able to, let's say, move into

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>eighty two hundred yards without making a peep without those

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>elk knowing there, I kind of run the let's steal

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>a cow. I try to paint that scene and this

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>is more of herd bull tactics. So I will get

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>within eighty two hundred yards and I will then do

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>an estrous wine, which is more of a whiny instead

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>of just yeah, so it's more up and down. It's whiney,

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 1>and then I will immediately follow that with a challenge beagle.

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>And what I've tried to do is say you have

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>a cow at the edge of your herd that needs

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 1>some attention, and there is a new bowl that is

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 1>in the area that's now here you know, or one

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>of the satellite bulls that have been around you is

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 1>now you know, near her, and this works better. And

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 1>this is one of the reasons I like to see

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the elk that I'm hunting. If I know that there's

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>some semi mature satellite bulls that are around this herd bowl,

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 1>that seems to be a very good tactic, you know,

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 1>for that. Now, if you're after a satellite bowl that

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>is run by himself or four to five hundred yards

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>off of cows behind the herd, using lots and lots

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 1>of sexy cow talk, you know, Estra's wines, lots of meuse.

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 1>You can even throw some you know, Estra's buzzes at them,

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and we've got to see these elk, you know, in

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 1>burns or in clearcuts before. It seems like the more

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 1>cow talk you can throw at them, the quicker those

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>elk will come in. So those are my two favorite scenarios.

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I know, they're very very cookie cutter. One thing I

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 1>hate about trying to talk about elk cutting is there

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>are a thousand factors, and for each each factor that

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 1>contributes to my next decision, it would be impossible for

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:37.759
<v Speaker 1>me to lay out all of these scenes. So these

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>are very very cookie cutter, very very you know, vanilla

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 1>in my approach. But it's the best that I can

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 1>do because any real life calling situation, there are so

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:50.919
<v Speaker 1>many factors. You know, how many elk around, how many

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>people around, the wind, you know, the type of timber

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm in, the type of underbrush. All of these things

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 1>now affect those decisions. And we could here for you know,

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>years trying to explain you know, situations, and you give

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.399
<v Speaker 1>you enough examples. So these are very very cookie cutter.

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, we've got satellite bowls without any herd, bulls

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>or cows around, and you've got a herd bowl with

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 1>cows around those are our you know, typical calling. So

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 1>then I just let the situation call my next move.

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>When I call, I'm very attentive. I'm listening. Do I

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 1>hear elk running away? Do I hear bulls bigling? Do

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 1>I hear stick snapping? Do I hear anything? I'm very prescriptive,

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just gonna adjust to what is happening right now.

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Let's say I moved in on a herd bowl that

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't very active, and I didn't feel confident in painting.

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Let's steal a cow because maybe he's going to be flighty,

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>or I just feel like he's going to be flighty.

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I may go in and just hit him with some

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:51.840
<v Speaker 1>cow calls, just to start, just normal cow calls, not

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 1>not the estri swine, followed by herd bull and then

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 1>I evaluate did he respond no or yes? If he does,

0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 1>then maybe I'll.

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:00.439
<v Speaker 2>Give him some more. Is he getting closer? No? Yes?

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Do I need to move closer? Do I need to

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 1>like up my my frequency or or the urgency.

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Of my cow calls?

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, So you're just you're always evaluating what's going on,

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:16.280
<v Speaker 1>and then you're making adjustments to that, you know, what's happening,

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and then playing from there. If you've got a you know,

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 1>if you've got a partner or an elk caller, somebody

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 1>calling for you when you go to call, I want

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that my caller is close enough to

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 1>that bowl when we set up to still be a threat.

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 1>As I've said, you exponentially, your your ability to call

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:42.839
<v Speaker 1>elkin exponentially diminishes as you get farther and farther away

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:45.359
<v Speaker 1>from that bowl. So we've all watched you know, old

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>hunting videos growing up where the caller could set back

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.879
<v Speaker 1>one hundred yards and call an elkin. Well, I'm gonna

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you I've tried it a lot, and

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't work because we're not on you know, some

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>ranch and you know, some private ranch where these elk

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 1>have the ability to you know, there's the the col

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 1>ratio so high. A lot of times, our caller needs

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 1>to be very very close to the hunter. I love,

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>as a hunter or a caller to be able to

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 1>have communication or a visual on the shooter or the

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>caller so that we can communicate whether it's you know,

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>you're telling them to bugle, because you know, the shooters

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.359
<v Speaker 1>may be able to see how they react, or whether

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 1>it's cow call, or whether it's the like you know,

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>don't call anymore at all, whatever it may be, that

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 1>that tends to help. The other thing that we do

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 1>when you've got a partners that's calling for you is

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 1>if you let the wind be just a little bit unperfect.

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>If if you're back behind the shooter and the wind's

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.720
<v Speaker 1>hitting us from the right a little bit, that caller

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 1>should then be back behind you and to the right,

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.799
<v Speaker 1>because as that elk tries to get wind on the

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>so called elk or the caller, that elk will get

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>to a certain point, whether it's seventy eighty yards closer farther,

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and it will start to loop to the left, and

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 1>by that caller being back to the right, it will

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.240
<v Speaker 1>loop that elk closer in the shooter for a shot.

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:04.840
<v Speaker 1>So as a as a partner strategy, that's very very important. Solo,

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 1>if you want to get the same reaction, you can

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>make a call and then move up to your left.

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 1>So you may make that call one hundred yards and

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.800
<v Speaker 1>then move up to your left, you know, eighty yards,

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and that will give give the give the idea that

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the callers actually moved back. Now, if you need to

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:21.239
<v Speaker 1>make another call, you're going to kind of give up

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>that location. But but that's that's kind of how we

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 1>handle you know all of that, and and you know

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>setting up and calling. Don't be afraid too to just

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.800
<v Speaker 1>to make natural sounds, you know, whether it's cow sounds,

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 1>whether it's bugles. I like to use mimicry. So when

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I say, you know, make natural sounds, you know, I

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 1>that's one good thing about being a good olt caller

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:50.439
<v Speaker 1>is I've got the ability I can hear a sound

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 1>about I know how to do that on my diaphragm,

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 1>or I can I can replicate that, So I do

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of mimicry on my diaphragm. So whatever bowl

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to call in, if he growls and then

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 1>chuckle three times, I'm going to growl and chuckle it

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>three times. And then one of the ways that I

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 1>turn the temperature up on them and actually kind of

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 1>increase their temperament or make them more frustrated is in

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 1>addition to mimicry, if they start to bugle, I will

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of listen to their bugle through it, but I

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 1>will start my bugle about halfway through theirs and not

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 1>let them finish it, you know, or finish it cleanly.

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>So I'm always going to kind of stomp on their bugles,

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>mimic them, and then be the last one to finish

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 1>my call. I've found that it works very, very well.

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>It's very effective, and at the worst case scenario, if

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:35.720
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to figure out what the elk are saying,

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying the same dang thing he is, because we're

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.760
<v Speaker 1>bugling exactly the same, right. So there is the idea

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:44.319
<v Speaker 1>that if there is some hidden Elk language that some

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 1>people are trying to depict or it actually mean something,

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 1>even though I've watched many many elk and found that

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:52.719
<v Speaker 1>not to be true. It's more of an individual you know,

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I can watch you know, it's more of an individual

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 1>thing on how Elk talk than what they're saying. But

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:00.959
<v Speaker 1>a worst case scenario, if I'm doing mimicry, I'm saying

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 1>the same thing to the herd that this bowl is,

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and I'm saying the same thing to him as he

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 1>may be saying to me.

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:06.800
<v Speaker 2>So worst case.

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Scenario, whether you believe in that or not, mimicry is

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:12.719
<v Speaker 1>a great way to kind of just like conservatively cover

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 1>up you know what the elk are saying. So yeah,

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 1>and then after that, like the shooting through a podcast,

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I can't help you on your shooting, you know, just

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 1>just have a system.

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, shoot enough.

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 1>During the summer, be able to talk yourself through the shot,

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, whether it's draw anchor breathe, whole level center,

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever it may be. And then tracking is

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 1>just you have to be in it a lot. Like

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.279
<v Speaker 1>you can't teach tracking here either. Besides, you know, being

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>able to look for blood, being able to look for

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, things that are out of place, and then

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 1>just having you know, there's the grid idea. If you

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>do lose blood, being able to grid or have a

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 1>more educated guess in the direction they elk we're going

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.399
<v Speaker 1>will typically you know, pay off. But it does take

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:02.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of experience. I've been fortunate to be on

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of blood trails, you know, some good, some bad,

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:09.879
<v Speaker 1>and I learned from all of those. Go out there

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and elk count with the purpose, whether it's being successful,

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.800
<v Speaker 1>whether it's having fun. I know when we talk about

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, purpose, a lot of times we dwell on

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the or we talk about the success, which is I

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 1>think what the majority of the listeners are tuning in for.

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 1>But there are other reasons. You know, go out there,

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:30.840
<v Speaker 1>have fun, give it more effort, be more methodical in

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>your decisions. Everything should add up to finding success. And

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:35.839
<v Speaker 1>I promise that if you go out there and elk

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 1>count with the purpose and success is part of that,

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have more fun. Maybe you know, there may

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 1>be somebody that that you know doesn't like the type

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>too fun and just assume not have to pack an

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 1>elk out. But for anybody that I know, anybody I've

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 1>talked to, you like, you're going to have more fun

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:54.279
<v Speaker 1>when you're successful and go out there, you know, set

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a goal, have a purpose, do everything you need to

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to make it happen. And we appreciate all of you

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:02.439
<v Speaker 1>tuning into cutting the distance and good luck out there

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 1>this fall as you chase Alchrayn