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Speaker 1: It's been thirty seven years since Marilyn Joy Bass was murdered.

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Speaker 1: Most of her family is no longer alive. She was

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Speaker 1: living at the pepper Ridge Apartments and she left her

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Speaker 1: place just to go on site to the laundrymat. She

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Speaker 1: didn't return back to her apartment, so her boyfriend and

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Speaker 1: some friends went to look for her. They found her

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Speaker 1: keys in the ignition of her car, and her laundry

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Speaker 1: was still in the dryer. Her body was found ten

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Speaker 1: days later at the bottom of Brag Mountain. She had

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Speaker 1: been strangled. Her mother died, she's gone. Her father died,

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Speaker 1: he's gone. Her sister and her brother both have died.

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Speaker 1: But her best friend is alive. Her childhood best friend

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Speaker 1: refuses to let Joy be forgotten. Y'all please help me.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Charlotte Autrey to Zone seven. Charlotte, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being here. And you know what, I admire

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Speaker 1: your loyalty to Joy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Cheryl. I'm so happy to be

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Speaker 2: here with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna shed some light on this thing, honey,

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Speaker 1: because she was twenty two years old. She was doing laundry.

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Speaker 1: I mean, something every single young girl has done in

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Speaker 1: her twenties in an apartment exactly. It was April the ninth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven. Where were you and how did you

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Speaker 1: find this news out?

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Speaker 2: Well, they had been talking about a young girl's disappearance

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Speaker 2: on TV that I did not recognize her name because

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Speaker 2: they called her Marylyn, and we never called her Maryland.

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Speaker 2: We called it Joy. And several days after she had disappeared,

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Speaker 2: my mother called me and said, have you heard them

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Speaker 2: talk about this young gallon on the news? And I

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Speaker 2: said I sure have And I said that's just awful.

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Speaker 2: And Mom said, that is Joy. And it just felt

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Speaker 2: like a punch in the gut. That was It was

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Speaker 2: our girl. I'll tell you. We lived on a street

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Speaker 2: that was just a short, dead end street, and we

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Speaker 2: were like family. When she needed a Brownie uniform, I

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Speaker 2: gave her mine. When she needed a girl Scout uniform,

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Speaker 2: I gave her mind. When she needed an instrument to

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Speaker 2: play in the band, I gave her my clarinet. And

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Speaker 2: that's just the way we were in that area of town.

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Speaker 1: Now y'all grew up and Broken Era, Oklahoma. Tell us

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Speaker 1: about Broken Era and then go back to your street,

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Speaker 1: because I want to know about the town itself. And

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Speaker 1: then your little hideaway.

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Speaker 2: Our town of Broken Arrow at that time was very small.

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Speaker 2: I was, I don't know, maybe nine or ten, and

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Speaker 2: Joy was two years young, a year and a half,

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Speaker 2: two years younger than me. You know. We were running

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Speaker 2: out and down the street my family. We only went

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Speaker 2: into town, like, I don't know, once a week to

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Speaker 2: get groceries. You know, we didn't spend a lot of

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Speaker 2: time in town because it was from where we lived.

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Speaker 2: It was quite a furpiece, it was quite a far away.

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Speaker 2: We went to town and we didn't, so we didn't

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Speaker 2: spend a lot of time in town.

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Speaker 1: When we first talked about Joy, you said, y'all called

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Speaker 1: her that because she was a pure joy. And you described,

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Speaker 1: you know, swinging on a rope over the creek. You

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Speaker 1: described the farms and the animals and singing in church.

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Speaker 1: I mean it sounds idyllic.

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Speaker 2: It was. It was. We lived We lived out on

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Speaker 2: little dead end Road and there was a church at

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Speaker 2: the corner one hundred and twenty first in the county line,

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Speaker 2: and it was called Weird Community. It was weird. The

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Speaker 2: church was Weird Church of God Prophecy. But we lived

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Speaker 2: in a little area called We're Weird Community. And we

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Speaker 2: all went to church down there. I went with them

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Speaker 2: with Joy and her family, and we would sing at church.

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Speaker 2: Joy and I would sing together, and another gall and

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Speaker 2: I would sing together, and we were, you know, all

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Speaker 2: went to church camp together. There was a horse in

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Speaker 2: one of the neighbors back porch, you know, back areas

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Speaker 2: back I don't know. They had a couple of acres

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Speaker 2: and they had a horse, and I would jump the

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Speaker 2: at me like I had They had saucers, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's just the way we were. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'd go down in the creek and play with the

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Speaker 2: little toe frogs and you know everything down there, the lizards,

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Speaker 2: and that's just the way our life was back then

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Speaker 1: Now, after high school, y'all kind of went in different directions,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of us do after high school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were two classes apart. Joy and I were,

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Speaker 2: and I had met my husband. She was two years

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Speaker 2: younger than me, and so our our grades. You know,

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Speaker 2: I was in different school because of my grade, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we kind of drifted apart as we got

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Speaker 2: older like that. And I remember the last time I

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Speaker 2: saw her. She was in her driveway and she was

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Speaker 2: getting in the car and her hair she was talking

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Speaker 2: to me, but her hair bleue around and she swapped

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Speaker 2: it out of her face. And I'm telling you, she

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Speaker 2: was so beautiful, and she had a beautiful smile and

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Speaker 2: those beautiful green eyes. And you know, I never dreamed,

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Speaker 2: we just never dreamed that anything like that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: nothing like that ever happened to in our area. Nothing

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Speaker 2: like that. That's just why I didn't pay any attention

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Speaker 2: to it when it was on TV, because I certainly

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Speaker 2: didn't expect it to be anybody I knew. You know,

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Speaker 2: I thought she was just taken from us, so so young.

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Speaker 2: She was just so young, and she was she had

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Speaker 2: a beautiful voice. She sang all through school and was

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Speaker 2: singing in different places as after she got out of school.

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Speaker 2: She sang it at church. And you know, we all

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Speaker 2: here in Oklahoma, we all start singing in church. Anybody

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Speaker 1: I've heard Reeva McIntyre say that she.

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Speaker 2: Sure did, and I'm sure Garth Brooks did, and boy,

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Speaker 2: a lot of you know a lot of other people did.

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Speaker 2: And that's just the way we we grow up here

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you when you did realize who

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Speaker 1: it was that it was Joy And you're looking at

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Speaker 1: the apartment was to Brag Mountain?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean Muskobe, it's forty five minutes. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that that drive is desolate? Not many

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Speaker 1: people on the road right describe Brag Mountain touss. What

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Speaker 1: does that?

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Speaker 2: Well, the area, interestingly enough, which is a thing, that's

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Speaker 2: where we went to church camp. We went to church

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Speaker 2: camp out in Greenleaf.

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Speaker 1: Do you know anybody she had an issue with from

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Speaker 2: You know, you never know.

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Speaker 1: But you never heard that.

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Speaker 2: I had never heard that.

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Speaker 1: Okay. But the location is that is an area known

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, everybody that went out there, and it is

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Speaker 2: I mean when they talk about, you know, a mountain,

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Speaker 2: they're talking about big. I mean, we don't have like

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Speaker 2: ski mountains here in Oklahoma. They're you know, they're rocky,

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Speaker 2: and they're not extremely beautiful like you know, you would

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Speaker 2: think of a mountain in Colorado or anything. But I

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Speaker 2: mean it's rough terrain.

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Speaker 1: You know. I've been to Oklahoma five times, have you,

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Speaker 1: And each time I have driven, it seemed like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I've entered a county. I'll be out of it in

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Speaker 1: no time.

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Speaker 2: No time, that's for her.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, those counties go own and own. It

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Speaker 1: is so wide open. I mean, you will pass this

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Speaker 1: that's just one person's place, And it took me twenty

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Speaker 1: You can drive and drive and drive Charlotte without seeing

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Speaker 1: another house. It's the same fence, it's the same wide

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Speaker 1: open space. And there's all kind of animals. There's all

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Speaker 1: and then you'll have these lakes and then you'll have

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Speaker 1: these forests. And it's a beautiful state. But I mean

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Speaker 1: it is it is still the wild West.

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Speaker 2: It is. There's a lot of there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yes, and from her apartment to that mountain that was

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Speaker 1: probably one hundred and twenty five places he could have

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Speaker 1: hidden her. So that mountain becomes very significant for me

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Speaker 1: because the killer selected it. He took at least forty

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Speaker 1: to control her somewhat and then find wherever it was

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Speaker 1: So you know, to me, we have at least three

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Speaker 1: crime scenes exactly. We have where she was kidnapped from

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Speaker 1: at least three. So she was either killed in that

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Speaker 1: This seems personal. Do you know whether or not she

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Speaker 2: I don't because when I have talked to the detectives,

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Speaker 2: they can't tell me. I've wanted to know what the

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Speaker 2: family member, and that makes me extremely thankful for you,

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Speaker 2: the people here who have interviewed me and have have

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Speaker 2: taken just a minute to speak to me, and actually

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Speaker 2: anybody that's been involved in her life, because we are

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Speaker 2: not we're not family members.

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Speaker 1: I understand. But you know what, You're not fighting alone anymore.

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Speaker 1: You've got all of us on Zone seven. You've got

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's support, You've got crime Online support, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna see what we can do. Because one thing I did.

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Speaker 1: I found an article from nineteen eighty seven, April twenty

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Speaker 1: second where Lieutenant Randy Orndorf declined to release much more

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Speaker 1: information but did say they had a suspect. They were

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Speaker 1: few days later, but they wouldn't release the name. Well,

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Speaker 1: what happened to that person?

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Speaker 2: That's the first time I've seen that article, and I

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Speaker 2: have I have all the articles, all the newspaper articles.

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Speaker 2: I thought, except for that one.

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Speaker 1: Did you know anybody that she ever dated?

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Speaker 2: I did. I did not know the gentleman she married

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Speaker 2: at the time. They were separated and she had moved

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Speaker 2: in with her boyfriend. They were not divorced. It was

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Speaker 2: not the divorce was not done. But I knew some

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Speaker 2: other another guy that she dated, and I thought they

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Speaker 2: had grown up with. I mean, I just think he's

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Speaker 2: a sweetheart. I don't think that he would, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't think he would have taken her down any

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Speaker 2: also still would have taken him in and questioned him

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think you should talk to everybody, because everybody's

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Speaker 1: got some information, you know. And now, you used to

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Speaker 2: I was never around her husband, but I know that

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Speaker 2: Well that's important, It is important, long term, long term

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Speaker 2: You said, absolutely, I think it's you know, I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she volunteered at at a dog kennel that was

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Speaker 1: Didn't have any children now, and to your knowledge, she

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Speaker 2: She also lived in Oklahoma City for a while, and

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Speaker 1: And well, I know OSBI has done some unusual things

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Speaker 2: Way, right, And there's you know, at this point, there's

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Speaker 1: Now, Charlotte, you visit her gravesite?

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Do you talk to her, do you take things? Do

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I thought you might. I kind of

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Speaker 2: Apartment complex, you know exactly.

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Speaker 1: You know, you said something the first time we talked,

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Speaker 1: It ain't like you've got a lot of free time, lady.

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Speaker 2: They are very busy. We don't hold them around and

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Speaker 1: But well, honey, you couldn't unless you had a tractor trailer,

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Speaker 1: And you know, my sister Charlene has seven grandchildren, and

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Speaker 2: I think they need to start talking about Joy and

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Speaker 2: asking people where were you thirty seven years ago? What

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Speaker 2: And I think they need to just start talking about her.

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Speaker 1: You know, they found her within ten days, so her

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Speaker 2: Absolutely something I wanted to talk to you and ask

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Speaker 1: Well, they wouldn't have had anything then, but if they

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Speaker 2: Joy was a fighter. I'm going to tell you she

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Speaker 1: Well see, that's why I question that she was in

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you again, I love the way

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Speaker 1: There's just not. And it doesn't matter if it's been

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Speaker 1: That's all I can say.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. There was a bunch a whole group

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Speaker 2: If it had even been one of them, I would

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Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I

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