1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: Music saved me, Kayleie, I'm so grateful that you're here, 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: and I'm also glad that you are back on the scene. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad that the last few years didn't keep you 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: from coming back, because I've done some research into you 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: and your story is pretty amazing, and so I'm grateful 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: that you would come on and share it. Even if 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: it meant just helping one person cope with life's thank you. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: That means a lot. I was having a conversation with 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: my manager about that today, just about like how most 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: people probably would have called it quits around the time 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: that they had to go be a bottle girl at 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: a club, and I did it. And I'm really thankful 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: because you know, I'm back doing what I love every day, 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: and you know that's not something anyone should ever take 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: for granted. 16 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: No, that is for sure. 17 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I feel like we've already started chatting, 18 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: and if you wouldn't mind, we'd take a quick break 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: and then we're going to come back and we're going 20 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: to get right into it with Kaylee Shore, the amazing 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: Kaylee Shore. 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: Right after this music Saved Me. 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: Have you ever felt caught between heartbreak and hope? Where 24 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: a single song becomes your lifeline. Well, welcome to Music 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: Save Me, the podcast where we discussed just how that 26 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: perfect melody can truly save us. I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman, 27 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: and if you love the show, thank you, and be 28 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: sure to check out our companion podcast, which is Comedy 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: Saved Me, available wherever you get your podcasts. 30 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 3: Now Today, I'm so excited. 31 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: We are joined by the authentic and incredibly talented recording 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: artist singer songwriter Kaylie Shure, who has turned her personal 33 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: struggles into anthems and her pain into power and oh 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: my god, does she have power. Her new EP, My 35 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: Type has been hailed by Variety as a stunning return 36 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: of one of the very best of the post Avril 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: generation of alternative pop singers. Join us as we explore 38 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: the moments where music wasn't just her passion, it was 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: her survival and may I also add Kaylee's performed on 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: stage with people like oh Stevie Nicks and Leanne Rimes, 41 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: Sarah Evans. There's quite a long list. Welcome Kaylee. Sure 42 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: to Music Saved Me. You've been doing this quite a while, 43 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: even though you're still dare I say, in your twenties. 44 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: Not quite di I just turned thirty one, but I 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: do still feel like twenty five. And I think that 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: given that, given that I lost three years in my 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: twenties to COVID, I think that that should be subtracted 48 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: so emotionally twenty eight. 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: Oh I like that. Wait, that's it. We're going to 50 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: take three years off for COVID. 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't leave the house. Are you even in 52 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: your twenties? 53 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 4: You know? 54 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's like taking three pounds off when you're 55 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: on the scale if you're fully clothed. 56 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you get it. You get it. It's the 57 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: exact same thing. Yeah, it's it's been quite the journey. 58 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 2: I've been doing music full time for eleven years. I've 59 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: been a you know, professional recording artist for ten. My 60 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: first single, fight Like a Girl, came out almost exactly 61 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: ten years ago, so I'm going to have to figure 62 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: out how I celebrate that. But yeah, it's been quite 63 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: the journey. 64 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: It has. Well, welcome to music, save me, and I 65 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: want to start with you first, kind of like go 66 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: back to when you were young. Do you remember when 67 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: you were first introduced to music and was there a 68 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: particular artist or an album that always felt sort of 69 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: like a safe place for you when you were growing up. 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I think I always loved The Chicks. That 71 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: was one of the first albums I remember being fully 72 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: sentient and processing the lyrics of. There's a song on 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: there called Cold Day. In July actually released it covers project, 74 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: so you can hear my cover of that anywhere you 75 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: stream music. But it's a song about somebody leaving on 76 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: a beautiful day, and I think that that's really relatable 77 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: because you know the world and I have a song 78 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: called The World Keeps Spinning about that same phenomenon, where 79 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: you know you're having one of the most heartbreaking days 80 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: of your life and you look outside and the sun 81 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: shining and you're like, well, this doesn't match. And my 82 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: grandfather had passed away when I was seven, and I 83 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: remember listening to that song and really creating my own 84 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: meaning out of it, And that's probably one of the 85 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 2: first times I remember using music as a way to 86 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: process something really difficult. And then from there as my 87 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: emotions got aanksier and you know, just that teen angst rage. 88 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: I loved Alanis Moore set I still do. I've been 89 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: lucky enough to see her play live see her musical 90 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: on Broadway, and she's just always been a safe space. 91 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: And then naturally, as most girls my age will say, 92 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift for sure. 93 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: Of course, of course, when when did you know that 94 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, wait, music can actually heal me or 95 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: heal people. 96 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: Do you remember, Yeah, I mean probably around that time, 97 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: And that was around the time that I started writing 98 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: songs the first time as well, and they were all 99 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: very you know, very six seven years old at the time. 100 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: They were about like stealing soda from the fridge out 101 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: a sleepover and very rebellious. But you know, I mean 102 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: that's just something that's continually proven to be true over 103 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: my entire life with loss, both like losing family members 104 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: and going through breakups and body image. I mean, it's 105 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 2: that's a lesson that's showed itself to me probably every 106 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: year of my life. But I mean that probably seven 107 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: years old is around the time. I mean, I loved 108 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: lyrics as long as I can remember, and that was 109 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: always something that was really important to me. 110 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: Did you know that you always wanted to sing or 111 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: write or perform entertain that kind of. 112 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: Literally as long as I can remember, And I at 113 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: the time I thought it was a curse. Now I 114 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: know it was a blessing, but I never had stage 115 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: parents and they really were dead set on me taking 116 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: my time with doing it, so I was never pushed 117 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: into anything. But at the same time, you know, the 118 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: one thing I always wanted to do was pick up 119 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: my guitar. So if I was getting grounded and they 120 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: were like, okay, well no TV, I'd be like, Okay, 121 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: I don't care, or like, oh, you can't go over 122 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: to your friend's house and be like oh no, but 123 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 2: then they need my guitar and I'd be like, oh 124 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: my gosh. So you know, it was always something that 125 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: I just wanted to do, and I feel like not 126 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: having stage parents really helped me foster that love for 127 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: it because it was a space that was just for me. 128 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: No one was forcing me to do it. There were 129 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: definitely other things I considered doing, because mostly I felt 130 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: the pressure in school when someone would say what do 131 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: you want to be when you grow up? I knew 132 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: I sounded stupid saying pop star. I was like embarrassed 133 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: to say it, so I'd usually say like lawyer or 134 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: investigative journalist, And you know, I still feel like I 135 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: love the skills that come with those and I bring 136 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: those into my personal life. Like, you can't lie to me, 137 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: is it possible? Don't even try. But yeah, music, I mean, 138 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: as long as I can remember. 139 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: So that you said that, I have to tell you 140 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: that I felt the same way when I wanted I 141 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: knew when I was seven that I wanted to do 142 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: entertain and entertaining of some sort because I was in 143 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: the theater production and when I made people smile, it was. 144 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: Like I was hooked. 145 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: But you're so right, because if you're going to be 146 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: in a business like this, I guess you have to 147 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: have a certain amount of an ego, to a healthy ego, 148 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: so to speak. But you didn't want to seem show 149 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: offye in front of your friends or people that you 150 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: cared about because of their view of the industry. So 151 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: I used to tell people I sell shoes. I want 152 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: to sell shoes for a living and open a shoes 153 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: you know. I never would say I want to be 154 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: in television, radio and broadcasting or anything like that. 155 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: So kudos too for. 156 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, it's definitely you don't want to be showoffee, 157 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: and especially like anything that makes you stand out as 158 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: a kid is detrimental to your social standing. But it's 159 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: also going to be exactly what makes you cooler as 160 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: you can older. And I always tell kids that when 161 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: I go visit music classes whenever I'm on tour, I 162 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: usually try to make time to go to the local 163 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: high school and talk to the music classes and you know, 164 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: share my experience as somebody who's been able to make 165 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: a living out of my passion. And there's always like 166 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: one or two kids at the end of every class 167 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: who I can just tell they've just been locked in 168 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: the whole time. Like the kids all seem to have fun. 169 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: They're like, wow, there's a musician here, but there's always 170 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: one or two and I look at them and I 171 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: see myself in them, and they'll have like questions afterwards 172 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: that are just really thoughtful, and I'm like, you might 173 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: actually do this, and you know, I try to really 174 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: put some extra time into those kids. 175 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: That's so good of you to do that and to 176 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: be able to give back. I mean, I think that's 177 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: the biggest thing when you get a platform, is you know, 178 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: do you give back or not? And that will really, 179 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, that shows who you are as a person. 180 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: I think, especially I'm sure as you know very well 181 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: in this industry. You know, there's a lot of people 182 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: out there that a lot and they don't all really 183 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: mean what they say. 184 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what a useless thing to do, right, Like 185 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: why would I wait? Like I just feel like I 186 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: only have so many few I've only had so many 187 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: hours in the day. I'm like, why would I waste 188 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: it saying something I don't mean or I'm not going 189 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 2: to follow through on, Like that's just I could be 190 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: doing something else else. 191 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: So plus, these kids, really, I mean, even you to 192 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: a certain degree, I didn't have to deal with social 193 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: media or any of that, or cell phones and all 194 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: of this. So I mean, that's certainly a much more 195 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: difficult mountain to climb to be involved in an industry 196 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: that is so public. 197 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: Definitely, And that was something I experienced from a super 198 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: young age and part of what I do for my 199 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: side hustles now as I do social media consulting for 200 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: other artists and brands, which doesn't feel so much like 201 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: a self like a side hustle, But I have been 202 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: working with this teenage girl who's getting over the fear 203 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: of putting herself out there on the internet for fear 204 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: of being iculed by her classmates and I could walk 205 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: her through that because I had my first viral video 206 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 2: at sixteen, And that's I always tell people, because there's 207 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: a psychology to it. There's psychology to fame, to going viral, 208 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: to doing music, and that's arguably the most important part 209 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: of it, because if you can't keep your brain in 210 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: the right place, you're not going to be able to 211 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: do it. You can't fulfill your obligations and follow your dreams. 212 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: So I'm always telling her and my other clients, like, 213 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: you know, the human brain has not evolved to fully 214 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: process fame or the Internet. We're only really equipped to 215 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: know and remember about three hundred people in our lifetime 216 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: because that was the size of a village that our 217 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: ancestors lived in. And our you know, knowledge and innovation 218 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: as humans has evolved past our own capabilities, and now 219 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: we have AI, which is this whole other thing I 220 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: wanted to get into. But you have to like really 221 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: really try super hard to even fab them what's going 222 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: on when you go viral. And so the fact that 223 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: I was doing that without a prefrontal cortex still blows 224 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: my mind. 225 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 3: I love that you know that too. 226 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: And by the way, just so you know, girls develop 227 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: it sooner than voice, which explains so much why. But 228 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: we have to be equipped because we burrowed the babies. Okay, 229 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: enough of that, I don't want to make the metal 230 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: turn it off. 231 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: Is there one song? 232 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: And I ask you this with almost kind of knowing 233 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: the answer, But for our audience who may not know 234 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: who you are, I also want to let them know 235 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: that you started off in country, you have a full 236 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: solid eight years of country music under your belt, and 237 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: now you're relaunching as an alternative artist. Your voice, forget it, 238 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: it's just amazing, so you could sing anything and make 239 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: it sound incredible. But was there one song throughout your 240 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: career so far that you can say definitively changed your life? 241 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: I might be able to guess, but I'm not quite 242 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: sure if I'm going to be right or not, so 243 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to let you answer first. 244 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: No, I feel like we're on the same page. But 245 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: definitely my first single, Fight Like a Girl, was I mean, 246 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to say I took it for granted 247 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: at the time, but there is definitely Despite me, you know, 248 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: being fully funded, growing up in the projects, raised by 249 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: a single mom, all of the difficulties that came with that, 250 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: I was incredibly privileged that my first single connected so well, 251 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: and I was immediately off to the races, and looking back, 252 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, that is not something everybody gets. And 253 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: not only was that song huge for the trajectory of 254 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: my career, it also really said something and I feel 255 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: really lucky for that that I don't have to perform 256 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: this song ten years later that I wouldn't stand behind 257 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 2: or even like even like it was about an ex 258 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: boyfriend or something like. I don't Sometimes I get bored 259 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: of my songs if I'm like over the situation. But 260 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 2: that's something that I'll never get over. That's why I 261 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: think it's important to sing about yourself, because the people 262 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: you date will never be the most interesting thing about you. 263 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: Your perspective will be. And so the fact that at 264 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: twenty years old when I wrote that that was the case, 265 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: I'm very thankful for and I'm very thankful that it's 266 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: resonated with people on so much of a deeper level 267 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 2: than what I even wrote this song about. I think 268 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: that's the beautiful thing about music. The you know, my 269 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: favorite chick song Cold Dandeli was written about a breakup, 270 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: but I took it to help me through graving my grandfather, 271 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: So I fight like a girl. I remember distinctly when 272 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: it was on Sirius XM The Highway. I went in 273 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: to do a to co host one of the shows, 274 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: and they played me before I went on air a 275 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: voicemail that they got from a female soldier in Afghanistan 276 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: who said that she listened to the song every day. 277 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a tearya. This happened like ten years ago, 278 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: every day before she started her day, and she'd listen 279 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: to it in her headphones and her bunk in Afghanistan 280 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: to give her the resolve through the day. And I 281 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: heard from so many people who'd survived cancer and it 282 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: mustic violence and all these different things, and I was like, Wow, 283 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: I wrote this about the music industry being sexist towards women, 284 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: and you've just made it so much bigger. So many 285 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: people have it tattooed on them, like my handwriting or 286 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: the lyrics, or one girl has a full back tattoo. 287 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: And it's just crazy to me that something I wrote 288 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: when I was so young could resonate that much. But 289 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: it's also a song that I've had to come back 290 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: to and remind myself of as I've gone through more 291 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: and more difficult things in my personal life and the industry, 292 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: so I'm like, I see why people needed that song 293 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: because I ended up needing it down the road as well. 294 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 295 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing when you do something for yourself 296 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: and then you realize how much it resonates with other people. 297 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: It just breathes new life into even yourself all over again. 298 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: Like you just said, we'll be. 299 00:14:53,800 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 4: Right back with more of the Music Savany podcast. Welcome 300 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 4: back to the Music Save for Me podcast. 301 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: And speaking of being personal, your lyrics are unabashedly personal, 302 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: raw and very honest, which I love. 303 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: Is there a line or a song. 304 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: Of yours that you felt especially vulnerable to write and 305 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: record or share? 306 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,239 Speaker 3: I should say absolutely. 307 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that the songs that scare me 308 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: when I, you know, go to release them, are usually 309 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: means that there's something to the song. I think. My 310 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: song Escape is still one of my favorites I've ever written. 311 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: I wrote it about the addiction I saw growing up 312 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: with my family, and it covers a lot of different bases. 313 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: And I try really hard because my lyrics are so 314 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: personal and no matter what you're going to be singing about, 315 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: other people and their decisions and what they've done. And 316 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: I try really hard to have a really rigid value 317 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: system when it comes to that, because you're singing about 318 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: other people's stories. Now, if someone cheats on me, they 319 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: shouldn't have cheated on me. I'm going to write a 320 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: song about it. You now made that my story. But 321 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: when it comes to more sensitive topics, I remember playing 322 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: it for my family before it came out, and I 323 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: was so nervous because it talks about my sister's opioid addiction, 324 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: my family's kind of toxic relationship with religion, and my 325 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: brother's alcoholism, as well as my own eating disorder, which 326 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: is a lot for one song, So trigger warning if 327 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: you go to listen to it. 328 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: Wow. 329 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: The thing that scared me most wasn't necessarily admitting my 330 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: part of the story, but was putting other people's out there. 331 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: But you can't deny that those things would affect me 332 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: so much. But it's other people's stories that I try 333 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: to be the most careful with. But that was definitely 334 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: a difficult song. But it also sums up pretty much 335 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: all the struggles of my childhood and it felt so 336 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: cathartic to write. And then to release and now to 337 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 2: sing and have other people take their own meaning from it. 338 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 339 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: And you know when you say that, though you just referenced, 340 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're telling your story, but you're also telling 341 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: other people's stories. Does it ever come into your head 342 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: that one you're telling your story that someone else? For example, 343 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: I was when I was on Twitter. I'm not on anymore. 344 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: I would write these just if I was going to 345 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: be on a public platform. 346 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: It was only going to be positivity. That's it. 347 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to put anything else out there because 348 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: I don't need to add to the worsening of society. 349 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: Somebody got upset with me because well, I'm not that strong. 350 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: How can you write that? Because that's not you know, 351 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't work for me. So when you're writing songs 352 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: that are extremely personal and you're transforming that personal pain 353 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: or struggle into something you know, anthemic and relatable, do 354 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: you ever think how can you possibly please everyone? 355 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: Oh? For sure. I mean that's the thing about the 356 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 2: Internet is you're getting feedback in real time. People used 357 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: to have to wait for album reviews to come out 358 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: or you know here. I mean, you just you didn't 359 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 2: have to deal with all the noise, people would have 360 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 2: to say things about you and like a tabloid or whatever, 361 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: which has happened to me, and that's also very upsetting. 362 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, you're getting all this feedback in real time 363 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: and when a song is exploding. Like my single Amy, 364 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 2: I wrote that about a a friend who started dating 365 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 2: my abusive ex boyfriend a month after we broke up. 366 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 3: Was she really a friend? 367 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 4: Well? 368 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, looking that noll, But that song, like you know, 369 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: and I had her name in it, and I thought 370 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: about it really carefully before I released it. From a 371 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 2: you know, here's my excuse perspective. I only did that 372 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 2: because she had put other people's names in the song 373 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: that I was responding to, so I was like, Okay, 374 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: well these are the roles, so I'm gonna play by them. 375 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: And I wouldn't really change anything because that was something 376 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: that ended up I ended up hearing from so many 377 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: people who'd gone through that, and just like the invalidation 378 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: and the gaslighting of having someone you cared about just 379 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: completely not care that somebody hurt you to that degree. 380 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: But I have had to be really thoughtful with how 381 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: we went about that and just be careful to not 382 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: put in any details that don't need to be there 383 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: just for the sake of like being vengeful. That's something 384 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: I really hope nobody feels about me. So when I 385 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: see comments like that that are like, oh, you're just 386 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: trying to get revenge or you're being vindictive, like those 387 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: are my that's the worst way I can feel misunderstood. 388 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: So that noise does get to me. But I do 389 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: have this after going viral so many times for music 390 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: and just sharing my story, I do have a way 391 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 2: to kind of switch it off and just understand that, 392 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: Like you know, overall, I do believe that people are good, 393 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: and overall I've never had to video that's gotten more 394 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: negative reactions than positive because I am so careful. So 395 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: you just kind of have to really tune out that 396 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: and remember that we're dealing with numbers and percentages, and 397 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: if you break it down and five percent of people 398 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 2: are angry about that, five percent of people like hate 399 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: ice cream and like music, Like, have you ever met 400 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: somebody who's like, I don't listen to music. There's people 401 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: with bad opinions. So if they have bad opinions, why 402 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: do I care that they don't like my music or 403 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: my video? 404 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 4: Right? 405 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: And I always say what other people think of you 406 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: is none of your business. 407 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 2: I Yes, Taylor Show said something like that on the 408 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: podcast she did yesterday, where she was like, even if 409 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: the headline has my name in, it doesn't mean it's 410 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: my business. And I'm like, that is get I'm gonna 411 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: put that on my wall or something. 412 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: Oh gosh. 413 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. 414 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: And there's nobody I think better suited than you recently 415 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: to understand that headlines are that they're they're to sell things, 416 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: they're not necessarily who you are. And I do believe 417 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: that when you were writing something about your dad telling 418 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: you to be real when it comes to talking about 419 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: things that are personal, for example, like the story of 420 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: your sister passing horribly from an accidental overdose and then 421 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: having to go on stage and then and sing a 422 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: song about that. It's wonderful that you're able to do that. 423 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: And also I read about you that you're bipolar, and 424 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: you speak of that as well, and I wanted our 425 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: listeners to also know that. 426 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: You know, I look this up, like. 427 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: Two and three people out of every hundred to suffer 428 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: from bipolar disorder. Like, if you want to put that 429 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: into perspective, one out of ten thousand has multiple sclerosis. So, 430 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of people who have a 431 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: lot of issues processing things, and we're dancing around all 432 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: of that, with all of this, and it seems that 433 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: music is always the thing that helps people the most. Yeah, 434 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: to bring us all together, the thing that we all 435 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: have in common. 436 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And yeah, I mean that was something I didn't 437 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: want to talk about for a really long time as 438 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: far as, like, you know, I talk about everything, but 439 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 2: it took me a long time. And the person who 440 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: actually got me out of my shell but talking about 441 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: that was somebody who's a huge mental health advocate, Jewel, 442 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: who's also one of my favorite singer songwriters. I love her. 443 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: So she had asked me to participate in a like 444 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: a challenge she was doing with her charity that was 445 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: like talking about mental health and destigmatizing it. And I 446 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, well, if Jewel's going to ask me 447 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: to do this, then like I'm gonna I'm not gonna 448 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: say no. 449 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 3: You know, do you say no to her? No? 450 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: How do you say no to her? And I was like, 451 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: you know what I read about the initiative that she 452 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: wanted me to participate in, and I was like, yeah, okay, 453 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 2: this is time, and it was so scary to put 454 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 2: myself out there. And that's also something I'm insecure about 455 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: because people really do love to take anyone with any 456 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: sort of mental illness and act like their every emotion 457 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: they have is a product of that. 458 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 4: Ye. 459 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: But like things still go wrong for bipolar people. People 460 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 2: still do herful things to buy polar people. I'll have 461 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: like my emotions are grounded in reality and also really medicated, 462 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: and I take care of that and that's something that 463 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 2: I want people to feel comfortable doing. But you can 464 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: only get to the point where you're taking care of 465 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 2: yourself if you talk about it. 466 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't define who you are. 467 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: It does not depend who I am, Yeah, especially because 468 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: I mean it is only sometimes like most of the time, 469 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: I'm like this, and that's good. I prefer to be 470 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: like this. Yeah, So that's definitely, you know, I'm thankful 471 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 2: to have, Like you said, my dad be really supportive 472 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: in me being outspoken. And he said something to me 473 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 2: one time that really stuck with me, where he was like, 474 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: there's two types of artists that are really important, and 475 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 2: they're equally important to each other. There's artists that help 476 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: you confront and there's artists that help you escape. And 477 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: sometimes I really just need to put on my post yoga, 478 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 2: happy and relaxed playlist where there is nothing negative talked about, 479 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: it is only purely happy vibes. But then sometimes I 480 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: need to listen to Alanis Morssett and like really examine 481 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: how I might be contributing to my own turmoil. And 482 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: that's something she's great at, and I admire that because 483 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: it's hard to admit your place in those things. So 484 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 2: those are two different playlists, but we need both of 485 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 2: them equally. But he was like, I feel like you 486 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: were put here to be a confrontational artist, and I'm like, thanks, Dad, 487 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: I feel really seen, and being seen by your parents 488 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: is a beautiful feeling. 489 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: It is a huge thing. Speaking of that, what advice 490 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: would you specifically give young women in music who are 491 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: sort of trying to find their authentic voice. Because I 492 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: got to compare you. I saw you compared in Variety 493 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: to Avril Levine. I've had the pleasure of interviewing her, 494 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: and back in two thousand and seven she released an 495 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: album and Clive Davis gave her the opportunity to do 496 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: whatever she wanted and whatever format, whatever sound edited however 497 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: she wanted and that never happens to anyone, and she 498 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: was right around your age. You're doing that now, that's 499 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: pretty incredible. 500 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Yeah, I mean being independent is 501 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: a huge freeing thing. Yeah, collaboration is important to me, 502 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 2: So I do really listen carefully to my team because 503 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: there's a reason why they're professionals and they've been doing 504 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: this and they've you know, helped a lot of artists. 505 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 2: So I'm like, I don't always think I'm right, but 506 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: I do feel like having the ability to discern what 507 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: your anxiety is versus your intuition is important. And so 508 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,239 Speaker 2: having just a clear recognizing when that voice inside your 509 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 2: head is using a tone that's like no, this is 510 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,239 Speaker 2: real is super important. And that's kind of how I've 511 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: gotten to that place. 512 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 3: Before I let you go. 513 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: Is there anything that you would like to talk about 514 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: that you haven't had a chance to because I know 515 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: you're an advocate. You're big into advocacy for a few 516 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: things that are very important besides humans, animals, all kinds 517 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: of things, And I just think that it's important because 518 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, we all know you're your own best advocate, 519 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: but when someone like you comes along and you have 520 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: a voice, you can advocate for many people exactly. So 521 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to just sort of give you the Florida 522 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: thank You to promote anything that's important to you. 523 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, well one of my I have two new songs 524 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 2: that are coming out late this year early next year 525 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: that are important to me. One is called Evolution and 526 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: one is called Everybody Dies. And Evolution is about, you know, 527 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 2: deconstructing toxic religious principles and growing up very evangelical, and 528 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: it's my own battle with the hypocrisy that kind of 529 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: comes with that. It does end on a cathartic it's 530 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: not just a purely negative thing or pointing the finger 531 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 2: at anybody, but it's like the process of unlearning that. 532 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 2: So that's something that I feel like I hear from 533 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: fans about a lot, and I'm very it's very close 534 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: to my heart. And then Everybody Dies. It's about losing 535 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: both my older sister and my high school best friend 536 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: to overdoses and realizing that, like, no matter what is 537 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 2: between you and a person, especially with addiction, you kind 538 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: of they're not the person you love anymore. They're they 539 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: are they're the person you love, but they're not acting 540 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: like them. And they become a totally different person because 541 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: their addiction takes over. And I had this moment rate 542 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: before my sister died about a month before. We hadn't 543 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: spoken in about a year because of that, and I 544 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 2: just had this moment. I was on tour and I 545 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: was like, I need to text all seven of my 546 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 2: siblings right now and tell them that I love them. 547 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: I just had this feeling, and I did, and her 548 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: and I talked for the first time, and the last 549 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: thing she ever said to me was that she was 550 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: proud of me and she loved me. And if I 551 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 2: hadn't gotten over my own grudges and resentment for valid things, 552 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: but things that were out of her control, I would 553 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 2: have never gotten to say goodbye to her, and that 554 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: would have made everything so much more difficult. So the 555 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: song is about like it sounds really depressing, but it's 556 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 2: like everybody dies to say I love you while you 557 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: still have the chance. And those two songs, I feel 558 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: like are going to be really important for my growth 559 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: as an artist and just the message I want to 560 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: put out there. So definitely, you know, mental health, addiction, recovery, 561 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: harm reduction, and you know, just unlearning the hatred you 562 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: may have been taught growing up. 563 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: Wow, Kaylie sure, thank you so much for coming on 564 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: and sharing your words of wisdom. You're still just at 565 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: the beginning of your career, and let's think I'm loved 566 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: that we get to subtract three years off of our lives. 567 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 3: From COVID because start all over again. 568 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: Keep rocking, keep doing everything you're doing, and I can't 569 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: wait to just continue to watch your star reser or 570 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: just a breath of fresh air. And I really appreciate 571 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: you coming on the show today and sharing your story. 572 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. This is a blast.