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He joins me to run through 39 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: all the news of the past week. We talked Canello, 40 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: we talked Golofkin, we talk Mungia against Rosato. Lot to 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: get into with Kevin Ioli. A little bit later on 42 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: David Benavidez, former one hundred and sixty eight pound title 43 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: holder and a potential opponent for Canelo Alvarez in twenty 44 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: twenty two. He has got a fight of his own 45 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: this weekend. I talked to Benavidez about that fight and 46 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: what he needs to do to secure that fight with Canello. 47 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: As always, best way to support this podcast, get over 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: to Apple Podcasts, post a comment, leave a rating. It's simple, 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: it's easy, it's free. It's the best way to make 50 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: sure that we keep doing this podcast week after week. 51 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: That's it, all right, onto the show, all right. Kevin 52 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: Ioli is here, senior combat sports writer over at Yahoo Sports, 53 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: covering boxing and mixed martial arts. What's happening, Kevin, Good 54 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: to talk to you again. And I'm busy a couple 55 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: of weeks, Chris, A lot of good fights, a lot 56 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: of good fights coming up, So really excited, really been 57 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: busy and joining everything. Yeah, it's it's a great stretch. 58 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you covered both MMA and boxing, but 59 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: it's been the start of a really good stretch in 60 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: boxing that began last weekend with Canello, continues this coming 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: weekend with Munghia, Risotto, David ben A Videz back in 62 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: action all throughout the month, next month move and a half. 63 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: So we're finally getting some pretty good fights in boxing. 64 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: So before we look ahead, I want to look back 65 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: for a minute at this past weekend Canello and Caleb Plant. 66 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: You know, Sergio Mora and I talked about this on 67 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: a previous podcast, but I want to get your thoughts 68 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: on Canello's performance, Plants performance, how the fight played out. 69 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: What did you think, Well, you know, I thought that 70 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: Canello did what Cannello does. You know, he came out, 71 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: he was going after the body brutally early in the fight, 72 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: and he basically, you know, he's a patient fighter, christ 73 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: you know, he's not a guy like Mike Tyson that's 74 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: looking to get you out of there in a round 75 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: or two. You know, He's willing to invest time to 76 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: break you down so that you know, once he does that, 77 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: then there's no getting up. And I thought he did 78 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: that very brutally, very efficiently, you know, and I just 79 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: didn't think Caleb threw enough. You know, it was odd 80 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: to me that Caleb would come out and he would 81 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: throw a lot of punches, uh, you know, kind of 82 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, in the first thirty seconds of the round 83 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: and then the rest of the round. You know, he 84 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: sort of didn't throw a ton of punches, you know, 85 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: had a good job. I think the elements were there 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: for Caleb to do even better than he did, and 87 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: I think he did well. You know, I'm not criticizing him, 88 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: but when we're looking at beating Canelo Alvarez, you have 89 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: to be better than just okay or good. You have 90 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: to be great. And he wasn't great by any stretch 91 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: on that night, you know, but he in Canelo Alvarez. 92 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: I think we have to start talking about him in 93 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: all time terms. You know, he's one of the guys that, 94 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, when we look at him, you know, he's 95 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: obviously going to be a member of the International Boxing 96 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame when he's through, and we're gonna be 97 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: looking at a guy kind of like Manny Pacio, Floyd Mayweather. 98 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: Andre Ward is one of the best to ever do it, 99 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: one of the best coming out of this era. Yeah, 100 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: I agree, he's now entered that stratosphere. And if he 101 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 1: goes up to light heavyweight and accomplishes what he did 102 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: at super middleweight, it's just going to be another milestone 103 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: type of achievement for him. I was impressed, of course, 104 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: with Canello. I couldn't agree more with you on Caleb 105 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: Plant and really any any Cannello opponent. And we've seen this, 106 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: really and virtually every opponent since Gnati Golofkin, where guys 107 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: just don't throw, and at least they're not throwing right hands. 108 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: And I don't believe you can beat Cannelo Alvarez Kevin 109 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: unless you're willing to open up and throw right hands. 110 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: Plant was using the jab. His defense was pretty good, 111 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: at least in the first half of the fight, but 112 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: he wasn't willing to throw. And if you're not going 113 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: to engage with Canelo, you're just not gonna win. You're 114 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: not gonna win enough rounds on the judge of scorecard. 115 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: You're certainly not going to hurt him. You're not going 116 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: to create a difference making type of opportunity. And that's 117 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: sort of what I saw with Caleb Plant. I did 118 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: think it. You saw that video, of course, of yeah, 119 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: the talk, I don't describe it like Plant kind of 120 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: fishing for compliments, like when in the middle of the 121 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: ninth round of that fight. What was your what was 122 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: your reaction to that? I almost thought that was kind 123 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: of like a concession on plants part. You know what, Hey, 124 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm done. But I did good. I did 125 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: as good as I could have thought. I I survived 126 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: into the latter half of the fight, and you know, 127 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: good job to you. That to me, like I saw 128 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: it as a presidential candidates concession speech, right, you know, 129 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: That's sort of what I saw that, as he knew 130 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna win it, and uh, you know, hey, 131 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: our our ideas still rain on, you know, And that's 132 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: that was how I saw it. Yeah, it was funny. 133 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen that before where guys like, hey, 134 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: like asking his opponent to tell him how good he 135 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: is at that moment. It was just kind of weird 136 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: to watch that play out on video. You know. I 137 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: read your column afterwards, Kevin, and this is one of 138 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: the reasons I wanted to have you on this week, 139 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: because I could not disagree war with where You're at 140 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: with Canello's next opponent as opposed to where I'm at. 141 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: You want to see Canelo go on to New challenges 142 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: to move up to light heavyweight and fight one of 143 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: the top guys, or to fight a Jamal Charlo or 144 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 1: a David Benavidez. I am firmly entrenched in the Canelo 145 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: Golofkin three camp. But I've got my reasons, and I 146 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: articulated some of them last week on the podcast. But 147 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: tell me why you are against a third matchup with 148 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Golofkin and in favor of some of these other newer challenges. Well, 149 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm not against, you know, in the pure sense of 150 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: the word, a third matchup with Golofkin. But I think 151 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: what we have to do is we have to embox generally, 152 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: start rewarding people for doing the right thing and not 153 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, not benefiting people for doing the wrong thing. 154 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: So since Cannello, or since Gnadi fought Canelo, he fought 155 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: Steve Rolls, he fought Sergei dere Vichenko, which you know 156 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: he was sick. Remember had he not been sick with it? 157 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: You know, we now think of the darre Vichenko fight, 158 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: is this tough fight, in this great fight, but remember 159 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: how overwhelming of a favorite Canadi was. Then he fights 160 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: Zara Metta and now he's fighting Marauda how do you 161 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: reward a guy for that resume, especially you know he 162 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: had to take this aera Metta fight, but especially for 163 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: taking Marauda. Are you kidding me? I mean, why what 164 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: are you doing? If if you really wanted to Canadi Gala? 165 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: I mean, excive me a Canelo Alvarez fight? Why not? 166 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: Hey talking? I want to fight David Benavidez, you know, 167 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: fight one of the guys that won sixty eight, you know, 168 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: fight Callum Smith, fight one of those guys. But Canadi 169 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: went out there and this wasn't his entire career, but 170 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: he's cherry picking Chris. He's going out there and he's 171 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: taking guys. Steve Rolls was no threat. Who wanted to 172 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: see that. Zara Metta was no threat, and nobody wanted 173 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: to see that. You know, derev Achenko on the threat 174 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: level was a three or a four to Holme, and 175 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: Ganadi was sick. Derrev Achenko fought his best and Ghanadi still, 176 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, still wins the fight. I just look at 177 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: it as like, you know, you don't reward that guy, 178 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: and I'll Secondly, here's my other point that runs concurrently. 179 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: What Cannello just did is pretty amazing and becoming the 180 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: unified super middleweight champion because this is not his weight class. 181 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: I think his way class is fifty four or sixty, right, 182 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: So now he's up, you pop him up again. Think 183 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: of the history making thing. If he fights Better be 184 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: F first, you're gonna be talking about a guy if 185 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: he wins that fight, who has six belts at that point. 186 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: I mean that's Henry Armstrong's type stuff, and I think 187 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: it's creating interest in boxing at large. Right. If you 188 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: go back to go off Can fight, you know, hey, 189 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: they had two grade fights, but you know what's going 190 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: to be the news there, right, But if you go 191 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: after a light heavyweight out and especially a better BF 192 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: first as opposed to Bivill or Joe Smith, Um, now 193 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: you're out there where you have a bunch of belts. 194 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: It's a huge storyline in and of itself, and you 195 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: have the threat of him losing, Like I think Cannello 196 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: would box the years off of Better BF. But we 197 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: know that Better Beef is a crushing puncher. And you 198 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: talked about Caleb Plant couldn't hurt him. Better Bef can 199 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: hurt him, and we know that he can hurt him. 200 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: Anello will know that, so when you when you go 201 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: into that fight, you know, you go into that fight thinking, Okay, 202 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: I think Cannello will probably win, but this guy can 203 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: knock him out as a two months and there's a 204 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: storyline there, and I think it's something that can be sold. Now. 205 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: You know, boxing promotion has gun and the shitter in 206 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: my opinion, and and it's really terrible these days, you know, 207 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: with a few rare exceptions, but you know you have 208 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: to promote it. And not that better Beev is some great, 209 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: gregarious guy, you know, you know, he's just another guy 210 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: out there. But I think the storyline is what may 211 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: that the right way to go? And you can always 212 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: fight Kilofkin down the road. But you know, I think 213 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: Canady doesn't deserve to be rewarded for what he pulled. Okay, 214 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: a couple things here I want unpack. I agree with 215 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: you that better Beev is the biggest threat to Canelo 216 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: Alvarez because of that power, the size, the power, all 217 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: those things, and by virtue of his win over Vodzick, 218 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: he is the most accomplished probably of the guys that 219 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: are potential candidates out there. Why I don't think better 220 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: Beev is realistic right now? It's because as dangerous as 221 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: that fight is and as meaningful as that fight is, 222 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: nobody knows who Better BF is. I was at the 223 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: I think it was the La Course Center in Philadelphia 224 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: when he fought Vote, and that was an excellent fight, 225 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: a high profile, big time fight. Kevin, you know that 226 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: I could I'm exaggerating here, but I could almost count 227 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: the number of fans in the building. Like it just 228 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: didn't sell a lot of tickets. So granted, Cannello was 229 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: always going to be the driver of ticket sales in 230 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: any fight. You sent ringside for the last fight against 231 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: Caleb Plant. Plant didn't have any fans there. They were 232 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: all Canelo Alvarez fans through and through in that one. 233 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: But Better Beev's I'd almost and I think promoters probably 234 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: feel the same way. You want to see Better Beev 235 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: fight a couple times in the US, maybe beat Joe 236 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: Smith to become a three belt champion at one seventy five, 237 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: and then take on Cannello down the line. Where I 238 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: vigorously disagree with you is the idea that other potential 239 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: candidates out there have earned a fight with Canello more 240 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: than Golofkin has. Now, I do agree that Golofkin has 241 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: been cherry picking at this stage of his career. Whether 242 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: it's because he was holding out for the Canelo fight, 243 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: which is why he took on to Steve Rolls in 244 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: his first fight, and that dozonn contract or he just wanted, 245 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, these mandatories. The Zara Metez murroad is a 246 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: little bit different because I guess you are going to 247 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: collect another belt um as part of that. That's a 248 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: huge fight over in Japan. But let me just read 249 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: like you mentioned the last four Canello or Golofkin opponents, 250 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: and they're not good except for derevn Schenko was in 251 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: that mix. The last four opponents for uh, for Jamal Charlo, 252 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: we're Brandon Adams, Dennis Hogan, derev and Schenko, and Juan 253 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: Massis Montiel. Yeah, that's a bad group of names. The 254 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: last four for David Benavidez, Anthony Darrell Romer, Angulo, Ronald 255 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: Ellis and now coming up this weekend, Kai Davis. I 256 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: can make an argument, Kevin that as awful as Gnadi 257 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: Golofkin's resume has ben over the last four fights, it's 258 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: better than some of these. It's better than these guys 259 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: and these guys aren't in the position Golofkin it's been 260 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: in where he can fall back on the fact that's 261 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: twice that he's fought Daniel Jacobs, right, and we but 262 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: that's to me, that's the Argumentum, you're you're making my argument. 263 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: To a certain degree, I agree with you. And that's 264 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: what what I said before. You know, boxing is in 265 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: the shitter in terms of the way it's promoted, not 266 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: in terms of the quality of the fights, the fighters 267 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: or the action in the rink. It's it's really good. 268 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of compelling fights and fighters 269 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: out there. It's promoted horribly and they and they have 270 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: short term thinking boxing and there's too many people in it. 271 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: I get taught to buff credit for this and I 272 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: think Eddie Hearn is this way too. Um. They they 273 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: they have forward thinking vision and they want they want 274 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: to make build a business, not just a one night stand. Right, 275 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: that's what they you know, that's what they want to have. 276 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: And I think that's what has to take place in 277 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: all the boxing. And you have to make, you know, 278 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: do all these things. So as as a result, you know, 279 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: you can pick you can pick most top guys resumes 280 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: and that's what you get. And so I talked to 281 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: Dana White about this in the UFC and he the 282 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: other day and one of the things he said to me, Chris, 283 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: I think it's in my story today that was posted. 284 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: But one of the things he said to me is, 285 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up watching HBO World Championship Boxing, 286 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: and sometimes it was off the hook and I loved it. 287 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: He GOA, but there were so many times I turned 288 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: off the TV and I was disappointed because it didn't 289 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: match what I wanted to see. And he says, my 290 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: goal was always to make sure that when our fans 291 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: turn off the TV, they're happy they stayed home on 292 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: Saturday night and watched. And so the promoters in boxing 293 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: need to start thinking that way and saying, you know what, 294 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: we got to put good undercard fights on. You don't 295 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: have to pay guys five million dollars or two million 296 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: dollars to fight on the undercard. You have good matchmakers 297 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: in boxing, good minds, make good fights, put compelling matchups 298 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: on that you know we're going to be good, and 299 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: then work to make the fights mean something like, what 300 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: did any of those undercard fights on Cannello lead to nothing? 301 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: There's not one person except for Anthony Durell calling for 302 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: Cannelo to fight and Anthony Durrell. But that's the cole 303 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: main event in a prime spot. Why isn't there somebody 304 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: on that card? You know that that could have led 305 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: to something. And so I think that, you know, fundamentally, 306 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: we have to change. And I think by my argument 307 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: talking about going after a light heavyweight title, we're now 308 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: going to say I'm valuing the titles. I'm valuing valuing 309 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: being the best and fighting the best, and if you 310 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: want to fight me, you have to value that same thing. 311 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: And so while better be as last four opponents are 312 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: not as good as they should be, he has something, 313 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: which is two world championships in a white class that 314 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: Canelo hasn't won in. That's the argument there. If you 315 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: start doing that, and you start making these fights significant, 316 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: and you start bringing meaning to them other than just 317 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: seeing Canelo fight, because you know, we could put Canelo 318 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: out there against Tom Decker Harry and he's going to 319 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: sell a lot of tickets. You know, he may not 320 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: sell pay per views. And I've heard some things about 321 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: this pay per view with Canelo and Plant. I'm sure 322 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: you have as well, uh, that aren't you know, aren't 323 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: overwhelming or great buy any stretch of the imagination. But 324 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: if you start making the fights have meaning, then you 325 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: can build a business as opposed to having a one 326 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: nine stand I look, I agree with that, um and 327 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: I would be excited about a Canelo better b Of matchup. 328 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: I just think there's room for that to grow. And 329 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: I think better Bee if he has one or two 330 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: more fights before September or December of twenty twenty two, 331 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: he would be a much more marketable opponent. I think 332 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: we both would agree, Kevin, and I'm amazed, Well, let 333 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: me this this part. I'm amazed at how many people 334 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: in boxing. I think there is a more marketable fight 335 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: right now than Canello Golofkin three. There isn't. Not Canelo, Benavidez, Canelo, Charlo, 336 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: Canelo better beev They are not more marketable to the 337 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: public at large as Canelo as Kenello Golofkin Free Kevin, 338 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: I'm around basketball people a lot, and they know a 339 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: little bit about boxing. What they know usually are heavyweights 340 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: and Cannello Golofkin. That's just the truth. In the last 341 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: three or four years, they thought twice so I Pakio. 342 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: Of course he's he's he's done now, so would take 343 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: him off the shelf. Pachio and maybe a handful of others, 344 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: but they know Cannello, Golofkin. They I don't know if 345 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: they'd buy it or subscribe for it, but they are 346 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: aware of it and it interests them. You can ask 347 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: ten people walking down the street, non boxing fans, if 348 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: they kne who David benevit is is. They're probably not 349 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: going to know. A lot of boxing fans wouldn't know. 350 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: That's it's right, that's right, and it's not a knock. 351 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: You know. One thing I love about David Benavidez, and 352 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: I talked to him about this um later in the show. 353 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: I love that he acknowledges he needs a big fight. 354 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: He acknowledges he needs to earn that opportunity against Canelo. 355 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: That's it's really not his fault. Well, I mean, he's 356 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: off the outside. The ring issues have called some of 357 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: his problems, but he has been clamoring for a fight 358 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: with Jamal Charlo. Jamal Charlo has put that middleweight title 359 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: in the belt protection program, like he's not going to 360 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: fight again before the end of the year, and with 361 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: Canello saying he's gonna wait until January to decide when 362 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna fight next. We're probably not gonna see Jamal 363 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Charlo back until March or April or May or some 364 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: point later in the year. So, like Golofkin, not only 365 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: is it big business, but I would certainly argue that 366 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: as bad as his recent opponents have been, there's nobody 367 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: out there besides me. We're betterbev who just laps them, 368 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: who has earned this opportunity more than I didn't even 369 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: mention Dmitri Beeval whose resume is awful, and Beevol kind 370 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: of pisses me off too, because Beavl, you know, you 371 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: got those same pressurelease zide Kevin where Beevo's called on. 372 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: Everybody's like, I want this fight, I want that fight, YadA, YadA, YadA. 373 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: He's got zero Ramirez out there sending his own press 374 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: releases saying I want to fight Dmitri, Beevl and crickets 375 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: from because I agree with you know, we agree on 376 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: a lot of things. But here's the thing. If Cannello, 377 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: let's just say for the second, Canello comes out and 378 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: says in May, I'm fighting better b of right, So 379 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: I agree better the point you made on better b of. 380 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: I agree one that he can get bigger. He's not 381 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: big enough now. But I'm banking on the fact that 382 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna have six belts for Cannello at 383 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: stake right, his four superminal weight belts, and then you know, 384 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: adding two light heavyweight belts, and then what that does 385 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: is that creates bigger fights down the road, because if 386 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: Cannello wins that, that makes a Bivil fight bigger, that 387 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: makes a Joe Smith fight bigger. And just because Cannello 388 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: is growing it, the title is all of a sudden 389 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: bigger because you're making it happen. Whereas if you fight 390 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: go offt and you're gonna have a name recognition fight 391 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a good fight, but there's it's 392 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: a one night stand. There's nothing coming out of it. 393 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: On the other side, it leads to nothing, and that, unfortunately, 394 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: is the reality. And I think, you know, I years 395 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: ago I sided with Canady, and I you know, he 396 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: was getting screwed and getting ducked by a lot of 397 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: the big people and everything, and he was. But but 398 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: now I'm on the opposite side again, Addie. I think 399 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: he's the one doing the doing that, and I mean 400 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: he should have been out there screaming bloody murder. And 401 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: I think his new team, you know, and I know 402 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: his wife is part of it, isn't doing him any 403 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: favors on how they're handling things. You know. The number one, 404 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: there's no you know, how far away are we from 405 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: the fight. We haven't heard from him since the moment 406 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: he walked and talked to you in the ring and 407 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: Florida when he beats Zaramta. We haven't heard from him since. 408 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: Nothing Canello's fought. We haven't had him say anything, we 409 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: haven't seen him. There hasn't been anything. How the hell 410 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: do you expect people to know what you're doing and 411 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: then you're gonna go fight in Japan where the time 412 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: frame is going to be you know, crazy. I mean, 413 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: it's everything. He's making it so difficult on himself to 414 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: succeed and to continue to get big fights. I just 415 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: think there's incompetence going on there in the way he's 416 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: being handled. It is I'll say this, it is a 417 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: little perplexing that he has not been more visible. I mean, 418 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: you and I have both been to that camp in 419 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: Big Bear. I mean, I've made that trip half a 420 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: dozen times. I want to say, because like, whenever you 421 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: wanted to go, he would be open able, Sanchez would 422 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: be open, you could write a story, you could do 423 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: a lot like and I thought that benefited Golofkin during 424 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: the years that he wasn't getting the high profile fights. 425 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I would just say this even 426 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: with the fact that it's in Japan and I don't 427 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: know what time it's going to start over there. If 428 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: he goes out and blasts out Ryotamurrada, which is very possible, 429 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: Morada is not a high level guy, at least it's 430 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: not shown it up until this point. If he blasts 431 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: them out of there and has two pieces of one 432 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pound title, that's about as much momentum 433 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 1: as you're going to get for a third fight with Canello. 434 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: And you know, I heard you say earlier like revisit 435 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: Golofkin down the road. I'm not sure sure how long 436 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: that road's gonna be, both with his age, which is 437 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: gonna be forty and the first quarter of next year, 438 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: and at some point he is gonna have to fight somebody. 439 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: So you get through Marada and then like, what do 440 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: you go fight Demetrius Andreid and maybe get beat by 441 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 1: Demetrius Andreid. You can get outboxed by Andreid and then 442 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: that Golofkin fight goes off the table. You're right, it 443 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: doesn't have It doesn't have the same legacy defining properties 444 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: that the first two Golofkin fights had. Those were meaningful, 445 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: impactful fights for Canelo, a fight he beat the he 446 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: beat the Boogeyman, and he did it even though it 447 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: was close fight. He did it in a real way. 448 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: That was a legitimate decision that he got. But if 449 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: you're Cannelo, it's like whoever pays for it, I would 450 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: assume it's the zone you're gonna make the most money 451 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: you're gonna make against anybody, clearly, because there's still a 452 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: strong appetite to make Cannelo Golofkin three, and you and 453 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: I both know Kevin as people kind of in the 454 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: business that you will be a significant favorite because you have. 455 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: If you're Cannelo, you have improved since the second fight 456 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: with Golofkin, whereas Golofkin, by virtue of age of nothing else, 457 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: has most likely regressed. So it's it's a very winnable fight, 458 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: and it's a lucrative fight. So if you're Canelo just 459 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: bought four times in eleven months, maybe you cash that 460 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: check now while it's available to you. Yeah, No, I mean, 461 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't disagree with you. I'll stand 462 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: by my I mean, you make you make a good point, 463 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: Chris and uh and I respect the point that you 464 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: made and it's based in facts. But I also look 465 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: at it and I go, I think we have to 466 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: turn course and that and that's my biggest thing here, 467 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, if we turn course. And I think Canelo 468 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: is trying to set an example for other fighters, and 469 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: I think it's something that people should follow. You know. Um, 470 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, we want to see you go out there 471 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: and challenge yourself. We want to see you take the 472 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: big fights. And you know, we don't care if you lose, 473 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: if you give me a good fight. You know back 474 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: in the day when you know it was in your 475 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: contract on HBO. If you lose, you know, we have 476 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: the right to cut you. I mean, you know how 477 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: BS is that right? If you don't perform, if you 478 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: and I don't want to see again, right, you know, 479 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: So there's you know, I want guys that perform. And 480 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: I'm not saying Ganadi has him, because obviously he's a 481 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer two and he has. But I think 482 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: you know that we have to change the mindset in 483 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: boxing now to where let's take these fights, Let's try 484 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: to unify, let's try to make big fights, let's try 485 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: to always push it and um and I think that that, 486 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, that would be a signal if he did that. Look, 487 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: I agree, we're circling each other in a way like 488 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: we we agree up with on more than we disagree 489 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: at this point with it. This will never happen, of course, Kevin, 490 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: because it's boxing and it's just maddening. But I would 491 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: like to see Kennella Golofkin three in May, and during 492 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: that time between now and June of next year, I 493 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: would like to see Jamal Charlo fight David Benavidez. I 494 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: would like to see Dmitri Beevil fight Zero Ramirez. I 495 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: would like to see Archer Betterbev fight Joe Smith. And 496 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: then you'll have multiple options, marketable options if you're Canelo 497 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: to choose from you want to stay at one sixty eight, Well, 498 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 1: you got the winner of Charlo Benavidez, which is a 499 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: big fight. You want to listen, So I'll use your logic, right, 500 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: And here's what happens. And again this is where I'm 501 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: going to criticize the promoters. UM, let's take one of 502 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: what do you think is the those fights you mentioned? 503 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: What is the cheapest one of those fights that you mentioned? 504 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: You think I would probably say, I mean Bible zero 505 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: feels probably cheaper. Okay, so let's let's let's take that 506 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: zerdo and uh and Bibble put that on the Canelo 507 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: Golofkin UNDERCARDI is the chief undercard. Yeah, now, now, way 508 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: that's great. Now you have Hey, Canello wins, you know 509 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: he's fighting the winner of that fight. Um. And Golofkin, 510 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: you know, is there can fight, you know, fight one 511 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: of those guys. But you have something now, there's something 512 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: that you can look forward to. And before the fight 513 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: when you talk to Bibbo, Hey, you know if you 514 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: beat zerdo you know, do you want to fight the winner? Yeah? 515 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: And you there's something something there. Um. But you know, 516 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: like I go back and to two thousand and seven, 517 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: and I had the conversation with Richard Schaeffer in January 518 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: when they announced Mayweather de Lajoya and they were. It 519 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: was not a done deal yet, but they were looking 520 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: at making Marquez and Vasquez and eventually they had that 521 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, unbelievable series against each other. And I said 522 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: to Richard, why don't you put that fight on the 523 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: undercard of de Lajoia Mayweather because it's a great fight 524 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: and if people who have turned away from boxing see 525 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: that on de Lajoia Mayweather, they're going to go, oh, 526 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: this is what I've been missing. And his response was 527 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: it's too expensive. And you know, they ended up what 528 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: did they gross on that fight? Like four hundred million 529 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: I think it was, or you know something a lot 530 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: of clients. There's an enormous amount of money, and it's 531 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: just the greed that they have and they the aversion 532 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: to spending on making a good product, and um so 533 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: as a result, you know, I just I just think 534 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: that you know that you have to change that way 535 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: of thinking. So maybe if we promise you and I 536 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: compromise when we're running Boxho and say, okay, let's make 537 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: Cannello Golofkin next, assuming Gigi wins, but then we are 538 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: going to put one of these big fights on the 539 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: undercar And that's the path that you know, that Cannelo 540 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: is going to go should he beat a triple cheat. 541 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: Think about the Mexican crowd that would attend a fight 542 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: like that, a card like that at Allegiance Stadium in 543 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: Las Vegas in May of twenty twenty two. You've got 544 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: Zerdo who's got a fan base of his own, and Canello, 545 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: who's already put seventy plus thousand in a stadium in Texas. 546 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: You could do record breaking numbers. You might do it 547 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: anyway with just Cannelo Golofkin three, but I couldn't agree 548 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: with you. More Beevil who doesn't have a fan base, 549 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: and Zerdo, who's got a decent one. It's not bad. 550 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: It's not anything close to a Canelo level, but it's 551 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: not bad. Those two guys would get an unbelievable bounce 552 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: from being the coomain of an event like that. I 553 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: I think that that would be amazing. But it's boxing, 554 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: so we don't. Not gonna happen, all right, Not gonna happen, 555 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: all right, Kevin. I want to talk about stuff coming 556 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: up this weekend, specifically a fight that I'm gonna be 557 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: at in Anaheim on Saturday. That's him Mungia former one 558 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four pound champion out campaigning at one 559 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: sixty versus Gay Rosotto, a fighter you and I are 560 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: very familiar with, covered a lot over the years. He's 561 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: been you know, journeyman is kind of a negative term, 562 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 1: but he's a step above that. He's a journeyman who 563 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: keeps breathing life back into street. It's kind of like 564 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: Glenn Johnson in a way, to meet a guy just 565 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: keeps coming back and coming back and coming back. And 566 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: here he is with an opportunity against a very popular fighter, 567 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: but a flawed fighter. When I look at Mungia Rosato, 568 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: I see kind of a pick him type of fight. 569 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: A see one that could be a war, and I 570 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: see one that could end in multiple different ways. How 571 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: do you see this fight? Well, I'll tell you what 572 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: I think. Rosato from the time he fight Golofkin until 573 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: now tremendously improved. And I think, you know, you gotta 574 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: give Freddie Roach a lot of credit, right, you know, 575 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: more about we're seeing a big difference in Rosato from 576 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Um, and I thought he 577 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: beat Danny Jacobs, right, I I really did. I thought 578 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: he fought a good fight, and I think he's a 579 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: very live underdog in this fight with Mangia. You know, Um, 580 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: I think he has a chance to win the fight. 581 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: That the problem that I see with uh Rosotto in 582 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: this fight is that Mungia does hit pretty hard and 583 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: uh and he's an accurate puncher, and I think Rosotto 584 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: is sometimes willing to you know, take three to give one, 585 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: and I think that's a risky strategy against this guy, right. Um. 586 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: So you know, I think if Freddie Roach has him, uh, 587 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, kind of change the mindset a little bit, 588 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: then I I would say, you know, I like like 589 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: his chances in the fight. Now I'm leaning toward Rosotto. 590 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: I haven't made my pick for the fight yet. I'm 591 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: leaning toward picking Rosotto. Um like the plus money on 592 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: that light, and I think he has a legitimate chance 593 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: to win the fight. But I'm not one hundred percent 594 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: you know there yet. Yeah, I think he's a very 595 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: live underdog. The odds that I looked at recently are 596 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: way too high in favor of Himimghea that I mean, 597 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: McGee is a good fighter, but Risotto, with the way 598 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: he's fought in recent fights, specifically the way he boxed 599 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: against Danny Jacobs and the way he countered against Bectamir Malakuziev. 600 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: He's improving to your point under Freddie Roach. I think 601 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be important for Gabe to use that 602 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: boxing ability early on. I think it's gonna have to 603 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: weather the storm against himI Munghia and not get into 604 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: a street fight with him very early in the fight. 605 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: Because Mungia, I mean, he's a powerful guy. I think 606 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: he's improved offensively under Eric Morales, and I think he's 607 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: gonna come out and try to take Gabe's head off 608 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: in the early rounds. If Gabe can survive that, I 609 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: think when you get to the ninth, tenth, eleven, twelfth rounds, 610 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: that's where you can use your experience as an advantage. 611 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: I mean Mungia, I know it was a couple of 612 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: years ago, but Spike O'Sullivan's kind of best moments I 613 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: think came later in their fight. I mean, you can 614 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 1: get you can get to Mungia at different stages of 615 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: the fight. So if Gabe's able to box early on 616 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: and make it aggressive late, not only could he win, 617 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: he could stop him. Like there's a lot of ways 618 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: I think Gabe Risotto could win this fight. If I 619 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: have a question going in Kevin, it's Gabe coming down 620 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: and wait, Now, he's been one fifty four for a while, 621 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: he's been one sixty for a while and big fights 622 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: at those weight classes, but recently he's been one sixty eight. Now, 623 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: maybe it's easy for him, Maybe he can come right 624 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: back down to one sixty. But the fight he had 625 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: against Malakuziev was one sixty eight, the fight against Daniel 626 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: Jacobs was one sixty eight. How easy does he slash 627 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: off those eight pounds at this point of his life 628 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: and his career. That's gonna be something I'm watching when 629 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: I get out to Anaheim this week to see what 630 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: kind of how dehydrated is Gabe Risotto at the weigh 631 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: in on Friday. Yeah, I mean, I think I think 632 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: the question is going to be, really how quickly can 633 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: he recover from it? Because you know it's going to 634 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: be helped to cut down to one sixty for him. 635 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: You know, he's a sturdy guy. And while you were talking, 636 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: the one thing I was going to say until I 637 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: heard heard what your question was, was you know, I 638 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: was going to talk about I think he has a 639 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 1: physical physical strength advantage in the fight um and you know, 640 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: if he has a difficult weight cut, I agree with 641 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: you completely. I think he's going to have trouble asserting 642 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: that physical you know, strength advantage to kind of fully 643 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: hid me around and to hurt him as much. Um. 644 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: So I think that you know that that bear bears watching. 645 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: You know, how how does he recover? Because there have 646 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: been some guys that you know, have had bad weight cuts, 647 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: but they you know, they're used to it, and then 648 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: they are able to get themselves back and and but 649 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: then there's other guys like I think, you know, the 650 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: late Diego corralis, you know, and I saw him and 651 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: the is this one of the Castillo fights, not not 652 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: the great one, but one of the other Castillo fights. 653 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: And I mean they had to literally lift him up 654 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: to get him over to the scale. I mean, and 655 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: that's how bad he was, you know, never recovered and 656 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: never was able to get back. So guys respond differently. 657 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: And I think it's that Barrett for watching. You know, 658 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: how does he recover? We're not going to know until 659 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: he gets in the ring. But I'll tell you if 660 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm looking at bet Rosato, you know, that is something 661 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: I have to keep in mind. Do you have any 662 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: thoughts on Benavidez versus Kai Davis. I mean, I don't 663 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: you know. Davis of course late replacement for Jose. It 664 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: was Katagie who tested positive for a band substance. He 665 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: fought reasonably well in that draw with Anthony Darell back 666 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: in February. I'm expecting Benavidez, though, to dominate in this matchup. 667 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what it's gonna mean because it's going 668 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: to be an inferior opponent, but I'm expecting Benavidez to 669 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: come up with a big stoppage in this fight. Yeah. 670 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: I think Benavidez, you know, needs to be out there 671 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: and when you know, eight nine rounds and then stop him, 672 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, kind of going down the stretch. I mean, 673 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: I think Benavidez is a guy that has a chance 674 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: to be one of the best fighters in the world. 675 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: You know, he teases you um uh with that uh 676 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: and I'm drying a blank on the guy's name. He won, 677 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: fought for the title the first time and they drew 678 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: the hard rock in Vegas. Um um, Gavril and um 679 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: and uh. But you know I think that he uh, 680 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, he teaches you with these like flashes a talent, 681 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: you say, oh my god, this could be a pound 682 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 1: for pound guy, and then he comes back other times 683 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,959 Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's just not there. I think, 684 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: I think this guy has a lot going for him. 685 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: I think he's you know, a various skilled fighter, but 686 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: he's now got to realize, you know what I'm at 687 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: that I'm in the prime of my career and I 688 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: have three or four years really at the top level 689 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: to do this, and I got to take advantage by 690 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: by every time out performing at my best ability that 691 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: given particular night. And so for me in this fight, 692 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, you know, you have to 693 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: go out there and dominate this guy. This is not 694 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: a guy that should be hanging around and in you know, 695 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: eleventh round, you know, saying well, you know, is he 696 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: in the fighter or not? It should be a situation 697 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: where you know, hey, is he going to be able 698 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: to stay end on his feet or not? You know, 699 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: that's going to be the should be the only question. Um. 700 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 1: I think David understands that. I think, you know, he's 701 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: disappointed to lose Kottage, but I think he also realizes that, 702 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, you know, he it's incumbent upon him to to, 703 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, perform like a star. You know, Cannello performs 704 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: like a star no matter who he's fighting, And if 705 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: you want to get a fight with Cannello, you've got 706 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: to go out there and do the same thing he does. Yeah, 707 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: I agree. Um, you know it may not impress Team 708 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,240 Speaker 1: Canello or anybody if he goes out and just wax 709 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: around Kai Davis, but uh, you know, it's what he's 710 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: gotta do. You gotta beat the opponent in front of you, 711 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 1: and beating him in like the third round by knockout 712 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 1: is better. Think going with a distance in a fight 713 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: that you struggle in. Last thing for you, Kevin, and 714 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: I want to kind of spin it back to Canelo 715 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: and bring it a little bit into your other world mma. 716 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: I loved what I heard from Dana White in the 717 00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: aftermath of Kamaru Usman his win over Kolbe. Covington. Reporter 718 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: asked Dana what he thought about Usman Canello matchup. Take 719 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: a listen to what he said. I watched the Canello 720 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: fight tonight. He don't want to fight him, You don't 721 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: want to fight him? Hello, come on, man, let's let's 722 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: stop this shit. Kevin, do you think Dana's over seeing 723 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: his uh top MMA guys venture into boxing and get clawbered. 724 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: Do you think you think that's fair to say. Yeah, 725 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: he's never been into it, right, even Connor McGregor, he 726 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: wasn't into it. But then you know, it dawned on him, 727 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: Hey this is a massive fight, and so we had 728 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: to do it. He's never wanted to do that. Um. 729 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: And I've I've always hated that, like because they're different sports. 730 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: When we've said this a million times. Um, you know, 731 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: I brought it up to I noticed everybody was talking 732 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: about Max Kellerman. You know, I was the one that 733 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: brought it up to him, you know, Usman and discussed 734 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: it with him first, and you know, and his thing was, 735 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: you know what, I like to fight him in MMA 736 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: and in boxing. Um. But I laughed at that because 737 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's no way Canelos fighting MMA. But if 738 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: he did, it's like a two minute win for Usman. 739 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: And if they box, you know, it's a you know, 740 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 1: Canelo's like in a slash him. You know, I mean, 741 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: it's just not a it's not a fight. And so 742 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: I don't understand why these guys are doing at Usman's 743 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: getting paid very well you know, he's not making forty million, 744 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: but he's making a lot, a lot, a lot of 745 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: millions of dollars, and um, you know, I think that, uh, 746 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: it's ridiculous, and I think Dana knows it, and he's 747 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: just not even gonna, you know, play on the you know, 748 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: he realizes he's criticizing Jake Paul and he's criticizing Triller 749 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: and all that, and if he starts, you know, giving 750 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: credence to that, then you know, he looks like a 751 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: huge hypocrite. Yeah, I'm with you. Like Usman Canello, MMA 752 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: goes bad for Canello, Usman Canelo and boxing, which is 753 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: where it would be, goes very, very very bad for Usman. 754 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: And I look, I think Dana clearly wants to get 755 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: more out of Usman, you know, and your brand takes 756 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 1: a hit if you get whacked around by Canello in 757 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: a boxing match. So I don't think we'll be seeing 758 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: that any time. Kevin. Always good to catch up, man. 759 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: I will see you at the next big one. Good 760 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: to talk to you man when we come back. My 761 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: conversation with David Benavidez. 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So, David, I'm sure you had expectations about 790 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: that fight coming in. Did they meet your expectations that 791 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: it go differently? How did you see it? Yeah, like 792 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: I said, you know all the interviews I did, you know, 793 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: I exactly what happened, exactly what I predicted happened. I 794 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: expected it to be a good fight. It's all the 795 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: way to the towards the end. And it really was 796 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: a good fighting for from both fighters. You know, Caleb 797 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: plant went in there these defensive skills, you know, you know, 798 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: he caught Canelo a couple of times, he moved around 799 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: the ring, but um, like I said, Canello, Um, he 800 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: got the lake stoppage. You know, it was a good 801 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 1: performance for both men. You know, I really enjoyed the fight, 802 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,240 Speaker 1: but you know, for me just being um possibly fighting 803 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: both of them in the future, and it was just 804 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: collecting data from both of them and just seeing what 805 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: I could do and overall joined the fight because you know, 806 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: the whole cart it was good too. So it was 807 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: it was good. It was a good night for boxing. 808 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: Why were you so skeptical of Caleb Plant coming in? 809 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't skeptical of Caleb Plant. I just 810 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: know that Canelo is an overall better fighter, and his 811 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: power is better, you know, And I feel like Caleb 812 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: Plant has never been in there with somebody that you know, 813 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,720 Speaker 1: obviously has power like you know, uh, Canelo. I didn't 814 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: really think Caleb Plant, if you gets hit with a 815 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: hard shot like that, he would be able to last, 816 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, because he doesn't. He doesn't really go up 817 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: too much and wait, you know, and stuff like that, 818 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: so he doesn't he can't absorb that type of punch 819 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: like that. So that's why I knew. That's kind of 820 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: why I was skeptical about him. How much do you 821 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: think the fact that Plant has never fought on anything 822 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: close to that level had to do with his out 823 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: the outcome of the fight. I don't to be honest, 824 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: I don't think that was that had anything to do 825 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: with it. I think Connello was just an overall fighter. 826 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: Even if you would have had the experience and been 827 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: on that platform he would have I don't think he 828 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: would have did any better. You know, Um, I think 829 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: if just if ten, if that fight they fight ten 830 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: times at a ten, it's always gonna happen that way. Um, 831 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: Like I said, like I said from the beginning, I 832 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,800 Speaker 1: feel like the fighters that have a good chance with 833 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: with Cannello are the ones that have power of their 834 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: own and have you know, have Cannello respect his power 835 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: to not keep him coming in like that. And Calo 836 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: plant you know obviously you know he has was like 837 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: fifty percent KO ratio. He didn't have that. So I 838 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 1: think that's really one of the big keys that you 839 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: have to have that, you know, to suppress Cannello's attack. No, 840 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. I think that you know, 841 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: we've seen in his run at super middleweights, guys he 842 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: has fought have not been willing largely to throw right hands. 843 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: And I don't believe you can beat Canelo Alvarez just 844 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: trying to outjab him. Some guys have tried, you know, 845 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: Kovalev had some success doing it at light heavyweight. Plants 846 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: early on had a little bit of a jab going, 847 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: but that wasn't effective in terms of winning rounds. Do 848 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: you think that's a fair assessment that to beat Canelo 849 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: you've got to be willing to trade a little bit 850 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: with Canello exactly. That's my point. That's that's exactly what 851 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: I think. You know, you hit it right on the 852 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: head there. I feel like you have to stand your ground, 853 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, And I feel like if Cannello doesn't respect 854 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: your power, he's gonna be in there. He's gonna be 855 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: a nightmare for you. Especially with Caleb Plant. I mean 856 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: I was watching the fight again yesterday too, and I 857 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,320 Speaker 1: mean he was he was using the ring a lot, 858 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, and you kind of looked like he was 859 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: scared too, that he didn't want to stay in one place. 860 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: So I think you just you have to do. You 861 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: have to throw more than jab, you know, you have 862 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: to throw combinations. Even when I've seen Caleb Plant put 863 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: together some combinations, you would miss the four, the first 864 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: two or three, but the last, you know, two would 865 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: get in. So I feel like you need to throw 866 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: punches and bunches. You have to have good power, and 867 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 1: you have to be willing to trade. Sit there and trade, 868 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Else Canello is just gonna 869 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: He's gonna find you at the end of the night. 870 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people in boxing that believe, 871 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 1: at one hundred and sixty eight pounds or less, you 872 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: are the biggest threat to Canelo Alvarez. What do you 873 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: think of that? I agree with everybody you know, and 874 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: it's because of my style too. Exactly what I'm telling 875 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 1: you that would work against Cannello is the exact thing 876 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: I do. You know, I throw combinations. You know, I 877 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: have a great job. But my job is not just 878 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: a touchdown. It's not just a range find. You know. 879 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: I heard people in my jobs and I have good 880 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: body shots too. And then, um, like I said, I've 881 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, I've been asking for a big fight. I've 882 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: wanted this, and I'm just getting stronger. You know, I'm 883 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: twenty four years old. Next month, I turned twenty five, 884 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: so I'm kind of getting my man strength too. I'm 885 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: getting a lot of experiences. I'm coming up and you know, 886 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm getting more and more confidence in myself. I think 887 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: my KO ratio is about eighty six percent. So I 888 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: feel like I see exactly what everybody else sees, exactly 889 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 1: what I see everybody else sees, you know, I'm I 890 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: think the lufky and when he fought Kok, when he 891 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: fought Canelo, he had about eighty something or ninety percent 892 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: KO ratio too, So I mean this is this is 893 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: a type of fighter. A boxer, bunch boxer is not 894 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: gonna beat Canelo. I think you need a power puncher, 895 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: stays in there, stays his ground. That's the best the 896 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,800 Speaker 1: people that have a better chance than you know. Canello 897 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: says he's going to wait until January to decide what 898 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: he's going to do in his next fight in May, 899 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: which gives like two months for fighters to kind of 900 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: odd addition for that Canelo fight, you've got Kay Davis 901 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: coming up on Showtime on Saturday. You've got Dmitri Beevl 902 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: probably facing John Ryder before the end of the year 903 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: over in the UK. Gallopkin of course going for the 904 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: unified middleweight championship at the end of December. Do you 905 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: look at this fight kind of like that that it's 906 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: an audition of sorts for you to face Canelo. I don't. 907 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's in an audition. I feel 908 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: like me, I just have to go in there and 909 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: keep doing what I'm doing, you know. I feel like 910 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: there's no actually pressure me my fights, you know, with 911 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,280 Speaker 1: even with Canello, without Canello in the picture, my fights 912 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: are always a look impressive and give the people the 913 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: biggest bang for their buck. You know, I trained extremely 914 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 1: hard for this fight, you know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking 915 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a Ko victory for me, and that's 916 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: exactly who it's gonna be, you know. Um. But I 917 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,239 Speaker 1: feel like Cannelo has his foot in the door with 918 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: PBC already, and I'm sure, you know, they've had great success. 919 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's gonna want to work with PBC. What 920 00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm hearing that he wants to keep working with PVC 921 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: for a while. So I feel like if anybody has 922 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: a better opportunity of fighting, and I don't think the 923 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: audition or none of that other stuff has anything to 924 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: do with it. I think the promotion company he feels 925 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: comfortable with right now is PBC. I mean, he's followed 926 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: with Dads and he's followed with Golden Boy, and I 927 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: think now he's PBC is where he's gonna be out 928 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: for a couple more fights. If he stays with PBC. 929 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: The two obvious options are you and Jamal Charlo. Why 930 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,240 Speaker 1: are you the better fit for May of twenty twenty 931 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: two than Jamal Charlo? Well, because I've been here. Yeah, 932 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: I've been asking, and I haven't been asking. I've been, 933 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: you know, working for the shot. Jamal Charlo has never 934 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: fired at one sixty eight? You know what I mean? 935 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: I done. My last file was WBC title eliminator. I 936 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: won that. This fight was supposed to be at WBC 937 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 1: and IBF title eliminator, but it was good. Techi came 938 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: out positive for steroids. So I mean, I've just to 939 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 1: hear I've been fighting out what's sixty eight? You know, 940 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,839 Speaker 1: if everybody else says I, I'm the other best super 941 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: middleway besides Cannella overs, I think if the saying me 942 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,879 Speaker 1: in a perfect world for me is whoever fights Canelo next, 943 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: I don't me and Charlo. I think me and Charlo 944 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: would have to get a fight in and then you 945 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: know you can make that an introm and the winner 946 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,959 Speaker 1: takes it right there. I don't think these opportunities should 947 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 1: just be giving out. But I mean, obviously not everybody 948 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: thinks like me. UM feel like Jamal Charlo, he's definitely 949 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: scared or he's definitely you know, he's worried about me, 950 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: because you know, he says all this stuff about me, 951 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there's very little 952 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: um commitment or there's very little action to make the 953 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 1: fight happy, you know. So, UM, I definitely think I'm 954 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: the next I'm the next person to go up against Cannelo, 955 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: but you know we're gonna have to wait and see. No. 956 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: I love hearing you say that because you and I 957 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: have had similar conversations of the past where you have 958 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: acknowledged that you know, you need to earn those opportunities, 959 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: you need those big fights like you want those big fights, 960 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 1: and I you know, if you kind of look at 961 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,800 Speaker 1: the reason a fight between you and Jamal Charlo hasn't happened, 962 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 1: it's largely because Jamal Charlo has not been interested in 963 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: that fight. He's basically said so publicly from time to time. 964 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 1: I mean, it's frustrating because the winner of a fight 965 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: between you and Jamal Charlo would have a clear mandate 966 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,719 Speaker 1: to face Canelo. Like there would be no question, like, 967 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 1: if you and Jamal Charlo we're fighting this Saturday, the 968 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: winner would be the obvious choice to face Canelo in May. Instead, 969 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 1: there is some kind of ambiguity out there. Is it you? 970 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 1: Was it Charlo? Is it Kalofka? Is a beval? I mean, 971 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,760 Speaker 1: where do you go? That's gotta be a little bit frustrating, 972 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: I would think for you to not get the opportunities 973 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,839 Speaker 1: that you have been publicly chasing. Yeah, it's definitely very frustrating, man, 974 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,919 Speaker 1: especially when these guys out here they try to act 975 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: so tough, they act like, you know, they'll fight anybody, 976 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: but on you know, when it's really time to make 977 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: the fights happen, they really don't. They're not willing to 978 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 1: make these fights happen. But for me, like I can't 979 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,399 Speaker 1: speak for anybody else on anybody else's behalf. I'm willing 980 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: to fight anybody else. I mean, I'm willing to fight anybody, 981 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: and I'm will be here for a long long time, 982 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: you know. And I think like the most experience I 983 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,840 Speaker 1: get with tough fighters would give me a better chance 984 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: at beating Canelo. I mean, I feel like if I 985 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: don't get any of the big fights. I could still 986 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: have a good chance of beating Canello, but I think 987 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: this will just prep me for that next step so 988 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,520 Speaker 1: much more better. And that's why I'm calling for these 989 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 1: fights because I know fighting Canello is probably gonna be 990 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 1: one of the hardest fights of my life. You know, 991 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if it's be the toughest 992 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 1: fight ever I've ever had, but it's definitely gonna be 993 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,359 Speaker 1: up there. So the more experience and the more you know, 994 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: um card fights I have, the better it is for 995 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 1: me because I gained experience at the end of the day. 996 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: So I mean, that's why I'm trying to get as 997 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,399 Speaker 1: much big fights as possible. But it's hard, man, you know, hard. 998 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,800 Speaker 1: I get it. One big fight with USCA taking next champion, 999 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,399 Speaker 1: he comes out positive for steroids. You know. All these 1000 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: other guys act like they want to fight, but they 1001 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 1: really don't want to fight, so it is. It is 1002 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,799 Speaker 1: definitely frustrating, But like I said, I just gotta take 1003 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: care of my job. Any fighter I get, you know, 1004 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: I gotta go out there and make an example out 1005 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: of them and just keep it, continue doing what I'm doing. 1006 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,880 Speaker 1: You know, to fight Canello, you probably have to be 1007 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: at one sixty eight for that fight. M you're a 1008 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: big guy, there's a future for you obviously at one 1009 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,359 Speaker 1: seventy five. How has been making one sixty eight and 1010 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,439 Speaker 1: how easy or difficult would it be to stay there 1011 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,359 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. I mean that making way it's 1012 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: always tough because I'm such a big guy. I've been 1013 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,440 Speaker 1: here for eight years. I want sixty eight, so it 1014 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,800 Speaker 1: definitely is tough. But I mean we know how to 1015 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: do it. I mean I don't if you ask any fighter, 1016 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 1: I don't think any weight cut is easy at all. 1017 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 1: But um, but I'm more I'm ask getting human. That's 1018 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: getting human that yeah, exactly, I'm trying to get under 1019 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,400 Speaker 1: cruiserweight right now. I'm trying to stay under cruiserweight at 1020 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,799 Speaker 1: the moment. Yeah, But no, like I said, like I'm 1021 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: really motivated. Man, I feel like this fight just for 1022 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 1: it being on the horizon, I don't know when it 1023 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,440 Speaker 1: might happen, it motivates me even more to stay in 1024 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 1: shape even outside my training camp and just you know, 1025 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,920 Speaker 1: continue to work because like I said, like with Canello, 1026 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: you have to go into like intense training, you know, 1027 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: and you have to be longer than just one camp. 1028 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,719 Speaker 1: So it definitely if I you know, I see that 1029 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,360 Speaker 1: this fight is coming up, maybe in May or maybe 1030 00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 1: in September. So I mean, I'm definitely gonna go back 1031 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: to the gym after this fight. You know, I'm gonna 1032 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 1: take care of myself more and that way, making the 1033 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: way it won't be a problem, and then I'll be 1034 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,279 Speaker 1: prepared for anything else, you know. So and then, um, 1035 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,920 Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to just teach myself to do 1036 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: now too. I'm just trying to make it the healthy 1037 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 1: eating and everything. I'm just trying to make it a lifestyle. 1038 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: You know. I'm so that way, I don't have to 1039 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, when fight night comes around, I don't have 1040 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,880 Speaker 1: to cut too much to make the weight because it 1041 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,480 Speaker 1: just becomes a lifestyle to me. So, um, there's a 1042 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of positive things that come 1043 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: out of this fight. You know, I ain't more focused, 1044 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 1: more motivated, you know, I think I just grow as 1045 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,920 Speaker 1: an athlete and in personal brol But first up for you, 1046 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: as Ky Davis. That's Saturday on Showtime. Good luck to 1047 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,280 Speaker 1: you out there. Man. You're a fun fighter and hopefully 1048 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: we see you in big fights, whether it's Canello or 1049 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,839 Speaker 1: otherwise in twenty twenty two. Yes, sir, thank you brother. 1050 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,919 Speaker 1: That's it for this week's episode. By thanks to Kevin 1051 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,200 Speaker 1: Ioli and David Benavidez for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate, 1052 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 1: review this podcast on Apple, podcast, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts, 1053 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: and we'll see you next week, Astring