WEBVTT - Inside Southeast Asia’s Most Notorious Crime Hub

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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<v Speaker 2>On the banks of the Mekong River and Laos there's

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<v Speaker 2>a startling site. After traveling through small plantations of coffee

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<v Speaker 2>and bananas, a winding road descends into what looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a city emerging from the jungle.

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<v Speaker 3>It completely stands out.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Campbell is Asia editor for Bloomberg BusinessWeek.

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<v Speaker 3>There are really tall buildings, huge skyscrapers. There is a

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<v Speaker 3>big shopping complex. You can hear music and see neon

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<v Speaker 3>light shows.

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<v Speaker 4>At night.

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<v Speaker 2>A spectacular fountain show plays in the middle of an

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<v Speaker 2>open plaza. Choreographed jets of water dance in sync with

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese music and neon spotlights. In the area around it,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an artificial lake and nearby a large casino. But

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<v Speaker 2>amid this seemingly gleaming new city, there are allegations that

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<v Speaker 2>something much more sinister is taking place here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they keep my passport when I arrived for the

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<v Speaker 4>first time in the laws LAMB.

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<v Speaker 2>We're calling this woman City and we've altered her voice

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<v Speaker 2>due to safety concerns. City says she was trafficked to

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<v Speaker 2>work in what's believed to be a fast growing type

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<v Speaker 2>of business in this area of LAOS known as the

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<v Speaker 2>Golden Triangle Special Economic Zone. She says she was forced

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<v Speaker 2>to work in a scam center here, duping people for money.

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<v Speaker 4>I become a scamera and they teach me how to

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<v Speaker 4>become a scamera.

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<v Speaker 2>And city is believed to be one of many by

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<v Speaker 2>the estimates that have been made, and of course they are.

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<v Speaker 3>Estimates because to some extent this is unknowable, tens of

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of people working in the scam business and the

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<v Speaker 3>Special Economic Zone.

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<v Speaker 2>The US Treasury Department has imposed sanctions on what it

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<v Speaker 2>says is a criminal organization that runs this area, and

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<v Speaker 2>the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime has identified

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<v Speaker 2>the zone as a nexus of money laundering, but the

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<v Speaker 2>sanctions have had no obvious impact on the zone's expansion,

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<v Speaker 2>and LAO leaders have never taken action against the chairman

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<v Speaker 2>of the zone, a Chinese businessman named Joo Wi. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the Big Tach Asia from Bloomberg News. I'm wanh.

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<v Speaker 2>Every week we take you inside some of the world's

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<v Speaker 2>biggest and most powerful economies and the markets, tycoons and

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<v Speaker 2>businesses that drive this ever shifting region. Today on the

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<v Speaker 2>show Inside the Golden Triangle Special Economic Zone, how a

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<v Speaker 2>hub created for economic development, became a hive of criminal

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<v Speaker 2>activity and why authorities don't seem interested in stopping it.

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<v Speaker 2>The Golden Triangle Special Economic Zone in Laos has been

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<v Speaker 2>a notorious drug smuggling passageway for about a decade, but

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<v Speaker 2>beginning around twenty twenty two, in the midst of COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>police and diplomats in Southeast Asia took note of what

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<v Speaker 2>appeared to be a major new business here in this

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<v Speaker 2>part of Laos.

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<v Speaker 3>Crypto scam centers places where workers, many of them who

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<v Speaker 3>trafficked and held against their will, spend their time trying

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<v Speaker 3>to befriend people online and persuading those people, generally in

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<v Speaker 3>rich countries so US, Western Europe to some extent China,

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<v Speaker 3>to make scam investments where they then lose all their money.

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<v Speaker 2>One former scam center worker that Matt spoke to was

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<v Speaker 2>a woman we're calling City. She's a young Indonesian who

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<v Speaker 2>says she was trafficked to work there.

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<v Speaker 3>She had a very typical experience in that she answered

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<v Speaker 3>a job ad on Facebook. In her case, it was

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<v Speaker 3>to work doing computer graphics, which matched quite well with

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<v Speaker 3>her skills. She was told the job would be in Thailand,

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<v Speaker 3>but in fact she ended up in Llows, in a

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<v Speaker 3>building that was like a prison and where she was

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<v Speaker 3>forced to work against her will, scanning people in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States.

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<v Speaker 4>They pay for everything until I arrived in Laos, but

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<v Speaker 4>after that everything chants. They lock us, all of us inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt says. City told him she had to surrender her

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<v Speaker 2>passport and she couldn't leave the building without an access card.

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<v Speaker 2>She was allowed to keep her phone, but her managers

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<v Speaker 2>would routinely go through her messages. Siddy says she was

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<v Speaker 2>taught to run the scams like this.

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<v Speaker 4>I need to have set story for middle guy in

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<v Speaker 4>online chatting, then I get the customer trust.

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<v Speaker 3>Often the initial contact is made on dating sites, so

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<v Speaker 3>someone who's actually in a fluorescent lit office in the

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<v Speaker 3>special economic zone is posing as a young single woman

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<v Speaker 3>who's living somewhere in the US, stringing along generally a

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<v Speaker 3>man who they're talking to.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a toolplace is a California and another one

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<v Speaker 4>is Virginia. Then I say like, yeah, I'm very set woman,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I will say I also don't have husband.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why I come to looking. Maybe I have a

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<v Speaker 4>lacking things for nit a guy in this online day thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And the way this works is called pig butchering, and

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<v Speaker 3>the metaphor it's a bit inelegant, is that you're fattening

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<v Speaker 3>a pig and then you eventually slaughter it. And the

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<v Speaker 3>fattening the pig is building trust, building a relationship with

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<v Speaker 3>these online marks, and gradually and without pushing too hard,

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<v Speaker 3>convincing this quote unquote customer to make investments in generally crypto,

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<v Speaker 3>and like all the best scams, these ones pay off.

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<v Speaker 4>At first it's real probate, like one thousand, two thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>Then after that you put more until you put all

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<v Speaker 4>of your money, and then after a very big because they.

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<v Speaker 3>Move in for the kill, butchering the pig if you like,

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<v Speaker 3>and then maybe you put in your whole life savings.

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<v Speaker 3>You put it onto a crypto platform that is controlled

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<v Speaker 3>by the scam center, and that money disappears booth it's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>City and several other scam center employees told Matt there

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<v Speaker 2>were consequences if the workers failed to get enough customers.

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<v Speaker 3>They are punished severely with things like beatings or electric shocks.

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<v Speaker 4>One off, China, Smaan didn't get the customer after I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not sure how many loans, and they watch him with

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<v Speaker 4>Oh way.

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<v Speaker 3>So you saw this man being wept.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, until the blood everywhere. They put this guy in

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<v Speaker 4>front of the levator for so us. This is Funny's

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<v Speaker 4>funey you will get if you didn't allow our rules.

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<v Speaker 2>City was desperate to get out, but the place was

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<v Speaker 2>heavily guarded, and she says she didn't know who to trust.

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<v Speaker 4>I see also one time someone tried to run out

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<v Speaker 4>from the building and he get the electric show. At

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<v Speaker 4>three am. He get the electric show. I say, why still,

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<v Speaker 4>this is not human So he said if you try,

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<v Speaker 4>if you still want to go out, they will kill you.

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<v Speaker 2>Scam Centers like this one city worked in are incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>lucrative businesses in this unique special economic zone in laos

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<v Speaker 2>as mad and As College Pitcha Taneka Simpipat highlighted in

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<v Speaker 2>their investigation. A recent report by the United States Institute

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<v Speaker 2>of Peace, a Congress funded research institution, estimated that the

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<v Speaker 2>amount stolen by scam centers in Maycon countries likely exceeds

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<v Speaker 2>forty three billion dollars a year. That total includes considerable

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<v Speaker 2>losses in the US and Europe, as well as China.

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<v Speaker 2>So who is behind this alleged criminal enterprise.

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<v Speaker 3>The founder and the face of this project is a

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<v Speaker 3>Chinese businessman named Chiao Wi.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally, I am well, it's not a great thing that

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<v Speaker 1>the Golden Triangle has a terrible reputation.

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<v Speaker 3>Chiao Wei portrays himself as a kind of kindly godfather

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<v Speaker 3>who is bringing development to allows in a somewhat paternalistic way.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a lot of talk about helping the Lao

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<v Speaker 3>people better themselves, helping them tap the prosperity of China,

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<v Speaker 3>bringing them out of poverty.

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<v Speaker 1>People used to say that you'd lose a kidney in

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<v Speaker 1>the Golden Triangle, but actually this place is peaceful.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, Jou Wai is speaking to several media outlets in

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<v Speaker 2>a YouTube video posted earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>This year, because we are here to promote tourism to

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<v Speaker 1>boost the economy. Now, through our joint efforts, we're turning

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<v Speaker 1>this place into a region that is developed economically and

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<v Speaker 1>financially in all aspects.

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<v Speaker 2>After the break, how did Jowwei come to run this place?

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<v Speaker 2>And if the Golden Triangles Special Economic Zone really is

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<v Speaker 2>a hub of criminal activity, why is he still in charge.

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<v Speaker 2>The Golden Triangle Special Economic Zone was the brainchild of

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<v Speaker 2>a Chinese businessman named chiao Wei.

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<v Speaker 3>He's from the far northeast of China in halong Jiang,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a very cold, larshly rural province. He left

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<v Speaker 3>school for his teenage years, ended up working various sort

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<v Speaker 3>of odd jobs, and somehow in the nineties ended up

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<v Speaker 3>in the casino business in Macau, just next to Hong Kong.

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<v Speaker 2>Jaoo built a large casino business in the Asian gambling capital,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when the market got crowded in Macau, he

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<v Speaker 2>moved the operations in the mid two thousands to Southeast Asia,

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<v Speaker 2>to less regulated places like me and Mar and eventually Laos.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was in Laos, this small landlocked country sandwiched

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<v Speaker 2>between Thailand and Vietnam, where Joo developed close relationships with

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<v Speaker 2>decision makers in the country. In two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 2>he struck up a deal with allow government to set

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<v Speaker 2>up this special economic zone, which he said would bring

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<v Speaker 2>growth and prosperity to the country.

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<v Speaker 3>When this was beginning, the pitch to the local population

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<v Speaker 3>was more or less that this is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>great for you. This is going to bring a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of development. There are going to be jobs, and you

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<v Speaker 3>will benefit.

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<v Speaker 2>The government entrusted thirty nine square miles and control of

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<v Speaker 2>the project at Jow by granting him a ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>year lease that gave him de facto control over the city.

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<v Speaker 2>He started with building a gambling palace and from there

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<v Speaker 2>it's grown into what's become a small city and effectively

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<v Speaker 2>a fortress for Joo himself.

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<v Speaker 3>He's in charge. Lao law may theoretically apply, but in

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<v Speaker 3>practice law enforcement regulation that's all up to the Special

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<v Speaker 3>Economic Zones managers, namely Johwet and his Liltuture tenants. Lao

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<v Speaker 3>police have not been able to enter accept with permission

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<v Speaker 3>of management. So it was almost like a little empire

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<v Speaker 3>within a sovereign country in which Jahwei and his colleagues

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<v Speaker 3>had just about complete control, and they appear to continue

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<v Speaker 3>to enjoy that status.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a special Economic zone grew and more money

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<v Speaker 2>poured in, it didn't take long for law enforcement agencies

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<v Speaker 2>in the US and Thailand to suspect that more was

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<v Speaker 2>going on beneath the surface.

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<v Speaker 3>Within a few years of Jahwe setting up this place

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<v Speaker 3>beginning construction, law enforcement officials in the region were getting

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<v Speaker 3>reports that large amounts of methamphetamine were being trafficked through

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<v Speaker 3>the site.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty eighteen, the US Treasury Department slapped sanctions on

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<v Speaker 2>what it called the Jauwei transnational criminal Organization. It said

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<v Speaker 2>the Special Economic Zone was a hub for the trafficking

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<v Speaker 2>of drugs, people, and wildlife, as well as money laundering

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<v Speaker 2>and bribery, and more recently, the Special Economic Zone has

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<v Speaker 2>diversified into hosting scam centers. Joo said in the past

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<v Speaker 2>that drugs and the trafficking of drugs and people are

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<v Speaker 2>prohibited in the zone, and that quote, we definitely do

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<v Speaker 2>not allow scamming. The Golden Triangle's Special Economic Zone management

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<v Speaker 2>didn't respond to Bloomberg's detailed request for comment from Joo.

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<v Speaker 2>Lao government officials also didn't respond to requests for comment

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<v Speaker 2>on this story. After Bloomberg sent inquiries, Lao State Media

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<v Speaker 2>reported that the government had ordered the removal of scam

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<v Speaker 2>centers in the Special Economic Zone by late August. State

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<v Speaker 2>media said the shutdown ordered on the scam centers came

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<v Speaker 2>after a meeting between Jow and high ranking officials from

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<v Speaker 2>the Lao Ministry of Public Security as well as the

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<v Speaker 2>governor of the Lao province where the Economic Zone is located.

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<v Speaker 2>But Matt says it's it's unclear how or whether such

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<v Speaker 2>an order will be enforced, and he says despite the

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<v Speaker 2>allegations of crimes from international authorities, there wasn't much law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement action from Laos before this latest announcement on state media, and.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason for that is simple. The Lao government is

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<v Speaker 3>actually an investor in the project. The Lao government, when

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<v Speaker 3>the special economic zone was created, took a twenty percent

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<v Speaker 3>stake in the project. We don't know if it's still

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty percent stake. There is some indication the stake

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<v Speaker 3>may actually have gone up. Johwet is in business with

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<v Speaker 3>the Lao government in this project.

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<v Speaker 2>But the crimes alleged to be happening in the Golden

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<v Speaker 2>Triangle Economic Zone aren't just problems for the Lao government.

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<v Speaker 2>The vast majority of the alleged scam victims are from

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<v Speaker 2>the US, Europe and China, and in recent months, Lao authorities,

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<v Speaker 2>presumably at the urging of the Chinese government, have arrested

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<v Speaker 2>more than one thousand Chinese citizens who were allegedly working

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<v Speaker 2>inside scam operations in the economic zone. They were deported

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<v Speaker 2>back to their home country, and last year, according to

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<v Speaker 2>the US Institute of Peace, these scam operations across Southeast

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<v Speaker 2>Asia together stole more than three point five billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>from Americans. So why hasn't the US taken further action?

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<v Speaker 3>Even if you are the TEA or the FBI, or

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<v Speaker 3>one of these American law enforcement agencies which have global reach,

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<v Speaker 3>at least on a good day, you are still constrained

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<v Speaker 3>by sovereignty.

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<v Speaker 2>Meaning there's only so much you can do about alleged

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<v Speaker 2>crime that's happening in another country, even when it's reportedly

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<v Speaker 2>targeting your citizens.

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<v Speaker 3>The specially economic zone is in Laos. The Lao government

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't appear to have a problem with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Joo himself hasn't been charged with any crime, but he

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<v Speaker 2>does appear to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Careful as we know, he certainly is not traveling anywhere

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<v Speaker 3>where he could be subject to US extradition request.

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<v Speaker 2>And as for the young woman we're calling city, the

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<v Speaker 2>Indonesian worker Matt talked to, who said she was forcefully

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<v Speaker 2>held inside a scam center in the economic zone. She

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<v Speaker 2>did eventually find a way out two months after her

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<v Speaker 2>rival in Laos City saw her chance.

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<v Speaker 3>The way she escaped in her account is that she

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<v Speaker 3>was taken across the river into Thailand to renew her

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<v Speaker 3>permission to work in Laos and took the opportunity at

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<v Speaker 3>that point to make a run for.

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<v Speaker 4>It because understanding us, they didn't go with us. They

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<v Speaker 4>just sending us alone. But there they have someone, but

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't know who is the person who's waiting for us. There.

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<v Speaker 2>When she was taken over the border into Thailand to

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<v Speaker 2>renew her visa, she saw a moment when it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like nobody was watching and jumped into attack that got

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<v Speaker 2>her to the airport in chang Rai in northern Thailand.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm telling the taxi guy like please us helping me.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to go to airport. Then they follow me

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<v Speaker 4>until to the airport. The two guys, the big one,

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<v Speaker 4>they're looking for me and I hiding in a counter.

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<v Speaker 3>In City's case, she made it to the airport in

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<v Speaker 3>chiang Rai, She says she actually ended up hiding in

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<v Speaker 3>a simcard shop behind the counter while she waited for

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<v Speaker 3>a flight that a friend had booked for her online.

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<v Speaker 3>And then she made it out and eventually back to Indonesia,

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<v Speaker 3>her home country.

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<v Speaker 2>City says she was lucky she's the only one who

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<v Speaker 2>took off on that visa run to Thailand, but Matt

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<v Speaker 2>says countless other traffic labors are still trapped, forced to

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<v Speaker 2>work at the scam centers like the one city escaped from.

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