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Speaker 1: That Trump has told executive branch lawyers that they may

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Speaker 3: The president's campaign of retribution, and he seemingly has found

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 5: I consider the presidency today as a presidency of revenge

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Speaker 2: I guess how planned out was it?

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Speaker 4: Not be stopped if he gets back in by all.

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Speaker 2: Sorts of all sorts of forces. That stymied them, in their.

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Speaker 2: And I think also, you.

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Speaker 3: What happens when I'm president no longer recognizes the law

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Speaker 3: So what that means, though, is like for the rest

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Speaker 8: What's the best strategy against what you think Trump is.

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Speaker 2: Doing here, So I think it's twofold.

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Speaker 9: So what we need to do is we need to

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Speaker 6: But tonight, I'm more confident than ever that the friendship

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Speaker 8: Or five figures like Steve Bannon, who again Mileage varies

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Speaker 2: Where are you on that question?

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Speaker 8: How do you see that threat?

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Speaker 5: Well, that question whether Donald Trump will attempt to succeed

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Speaker 5: President's been in office approximately ten months now. He began

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Speaker 9: This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

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Speaker 10: Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval and

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Speaker 2: I know you don't like hearing that.

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Speaker 10: I know you've tried to do everything.

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Speaker 9: It's going to happen.

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Speaker 9: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 10: If that answer is to save my country, this country.

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Speaker 10: Bath Tuesday twenty eight October and The Riveler twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 10: While President Trump continues on this kind of triumphant tour

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Speaker 10: Plus a brilliant article and unheard today that's the British publication,

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Speaker 10: Comer and I realized he's no We're no big fan

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Speaker 10: and adjudicating how they stole the election. But I said,

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Speaker 10: the liabilities here in the in the chaos and confusion

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Speaker 2: They've deemed that.

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Speaker 10: That the auto pen and and that there's a story

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Speaker 10: what he actually.

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Speaker 2: Knew at the time.

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Speaker 10: He had like an index card written down that none

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Speaker 10: of the pardons in none of the executive orders that

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Speaker 10: are legitimate and have to essentially be unwound. We're going

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Speaker 10: to see where that goes to the House and what's

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Speaker 10: referrals over to the Justice Department like this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Just absolutely huge.

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Speaker 10: You heard Luddock there, and Luddock the reason he's on

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Speaker 10: of days about President Trump's his additional term or his

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Speaker 10: next term, not this term, his next term, Trump twenty

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Speaker 10: eight and Luddock. It was tipped that Luddock was going

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Speaker 10: to be, oh, this is can't happen. You know, this

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Speaker 10: is against the constitution. You heard him right there. Then

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Speaker 10: President Trump, because of the implementation of his Article two

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Speaker 10: powers and this came from Josh Dawsey had it the

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Speaker 10: years in the wilderness where the Russ Votes, the Stephen

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Speaker 10: Millers that doctor Roberts is over to Heritage, the Senators

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Speaker 10: together to think through what Trump's second term would be

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Speaker 10: after the victory, the precinct strategy turning point. All the

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Speaker 10: other grassroots organizations would take care of the politics. But

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Speaker 10: you had public intellectuals in those four years come up

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Speaker 10: with real executive orders, ones that will be held up

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Speaker 10: in court. And so they're overwhelmed by that. But as

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Speaker 10: President Trump steps into the decision, which is many people,

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Speaker 10: most people can't do. He steps into the decision and

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Speaker 10: drives the action as the protagonist. The progressive left collapses

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Speaker 10: to call it today, he could do it.

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Speaker 2: He will do it. Short break