Speaker 1: That's what's up. Family. It's your girl to mek A D.
Speaker 2: Mallory, and it's your boy, my son and general.
Speaker 3: And we are your host of street politicians, the place
Speaker 3: where the streets and politics me. I'm celebrating my birthday.
Speaker 3: I'm just celebrating every day I've been out every day.
Speaker 3: I'm actually very tired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you in these scraps out here, in these scraps,
Speaker 2: as you know.
Speaker 3: That I do not stay outside past a certain time
Speaker 3: or past a certain amount of days, doing no social
Speaker 3: stuff like.
Speaker 1: Work every day. Every day. I could go, go, go,
Speaker 1: but this is here. Two steps no from the what
Speaker 1: you go up to the left to the right. Can't
Speaker 1: do it us so much.
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna work no more.
Speaker 1: I'm getting older.
Speaker 3: Let me just say I can feel it like I'm
Speaker 3: really tired, Like I be falling asleep in the middle
Speaker 3: of conversations. It's pretty bad. Like it's not it's actually
Speaker 3: not healthy, Like I don't know, I need I need
Speaker 3: a rest, So I'm a rest soon.
Speaker 2: But the soccer, dad mold is a lot for me.
Speaker 4: Man. These kids made soccer like ooh, they got games
Speaker 4: that started seven and eight in the morning. And you
Speaker 4: don't get back until like eight. This weekend was it
Speaker 4: was crazy. Both of them had a bunch of games
Speaker 4: and then Cameron had a game and then Keston had
Speaker 4: a game on Sunday. Then we went to the carnival
Speaker 4: all day and they want you to run around and
Speaker 4: move around, and.
Speaker 2: My body was just like this ain't gonna work. Maybe
Speaker 2: I hear you.
Speaker 4: We went to see Transformers, like we had a We
Speaker 4: had a whole weekend.
Speaker 2: You know, it was.
Speaker 4: Me and my guys. We had a dope weekend and
Speaker 4: you know it was a lot going on. But yesterday,
Speaker 4: you know it was it was just it broke me down.
Speaker 4: Broke me down like a shot man.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: That's a good breakdown when you just get a chance
Speaker 3: to be with your family and kids keep you young.
Speaker 1: Kids keep you.
Speaker 3: Young, you know, because I tell you when I am
Speaker 3: handling my granddaughter's you.
Speaker 2: Gotta be.
Speaker 3: You can't be slow like you gotta be catching things, grabbing,
Speaker 3: so it keeps you young.
Speaker 1: Hence the reason why.
Speaker 3: I have to get my rest because I usually get
Speaker 3: me a nap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1: Haven't been having thats and I need one.
Speaker 3: Actually, I took a nap between so the Tony's happened
Speaker 3: last night, and you know that the play that I
Speaker 3: invested in along with Candy Burris and my good girlfriend
Speaker 3: Lushawan Thompson and our friend lu Shan, we made it
Speaker 3: all the way to being nominated for a Tony Tony,
Speaker 3: but we didn't win. And so last night there was celebration,
Speaker 3: dinner and parties and whatever because the mere fact that
Speaker 3: we made it all the way to the nomination is.
Speaker 1: A big thing. Another black play one in the category.
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, I feel like
Speaker 3: a win for black people is always a win for
Speaker 3: all of us. Of course we wanted to win, but
Speaker 3: still black people did win in the category, so that's good.
Speaker 3: But in between the dinner and the other stuff everything
Speaker 3: that was going on, I went to sleep because I
Speaker 3: needed a break to even get to even I didn't
Speaker 3: even see the part of the Tony's when we didn't win,
Speaker 3: because I was just waking up to try to get
Speaker 3: to the event. Like I just it's bad. That's it's bad.
Speaker 3: It's pretty bad. A good thing that did happen over
Speaker 3: the same this weekend as well is that the Randy
Speaker 3: Cox matter settled in Connecticut, So if folks people who
Speaker 3: are you don't follow us, know that Until Freedom was
Speaker 3: one of the organizations on the ground in Connecticut at
Speaker 3: the very beginning when Randy Cox was paralyzed by police
Speaker 3: where they gave him a rough ride. And shout out
Speaker 3: to our brother Scott x Asdale, who is the state
Speaker 3: conference leader in Connecticut of the NAACP, but he's also
Speaker 3: one of the national board members of the NAACP, and
Speaker 3: he's over the social justice work nationally for the NAACP,
Speaker 3: and so he called us immediately upon what happened to
Speaker 3: Randy Cox.
Speaker 1: He also got attorney Ben Crump's to take on the case.
Speaker 3: They have been in addition to working on getting charges
Speaker 3: for the police officers, they also, of course, as you
Speaker 3: know has been protocol, have filed a or had filed
Speaker 3: a civil suit against the city and the police and everybody,
Speaker 3: and its settled for forty five million dollars, which is
Speaker 3: the largest settlement since George Floyd and obviously before that
Speaker 3: for any black person who has been harmed by police
Speaker 3: and a person.
Speaker 1: Who is not dead. Brandy Cox is alive.
Speaker 3: I'm paralyzed unfortunately, and you know, forty five million dollars
Speaker 3: sounds like a whole lot of money, and and in fact,
Speaker 3: it is a lot of money. It is certainly again
Speaker 3: the largest settlement for any person that has been abused
Speaker 3: by police and their rights have been violated by police officers.
Speaker 1: And so that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: However, when you think about someone who is paralyzed with
Speaker 3: a number of physical issues, I know, you know, he
Speaker 3: was suffering with bed sores. Even though he was in
Speaker 3: a great facility and he was turning him and all
Speaker 3: of that, still his body had sores, you know, his
Speaker 3: he was you know, of course he has a lot
Speaker 3: of physical challenges. He needs a lot of equipment. He
Speaker 3: has to be able to live in environments that allow
Speaker 3: for all the things, the services or whatever. So forty
Speaker 3: five million dollars after you finished paying your lawyers and
Speaker 3: you do.
Speaker 2: It all, so basically his thing really just goes to
Speaker 2: his medical.
Speaker 1: Expense, right exactly, because after you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no benefit from them if you can't even
Speaker 4: if you can't move from your next down, Like what
Speaker 4: do you think forty five million dollars really does? Would
Speaker 4: just make sure that that he you know.
Speaker 3: He just comfortable, comfortable, and he also has his mother,
Speaker 3: you know who.
Speaker 1: His mother is just a regular lady. Like you know,
Speaker 1: she's just this. You know, when we talk.
Speaker 3: About this all the time, these things happen to people
Speaker 3: that just regular kit we'll just regular everyday people out
Speaker 3: here trying to survive.
Speaker 1: You know, she's not a woman of great wealth.
Speaker 3: She's a regular woman just trying to make it from
Speaker 3: day to day. And now she has a responsibility. And
Speaker 3: by the way, she's also sickly, she has her own
Speaker 3: health concerns. We know her, sweet sweet lady, and to
Speaker 3: see her have to now take care of him forty
Speaker 3: five million dollars, which is not forty five million because
Speaker 3: once you again deal with all the things, you got
Speaker 3: to pay in the fees, and then you got to
Speaker 3: move because you need to live somewhere that you can
Speaker 3: like first of all, making your home handicap accessible, it's
Speaker 3: not It's very difficult. It's a lot corners and curved turning, positioning,
Speaker 3: medical equipment.
Speaker 1: It is not easy.
Speaker 3: So to your point, forty five million dollars, while it
Speaker 3: is definitely still the largest settlement that we have ever
Speaker 3: seen for a person violated by the police yet and
Speaker 3: still it is.
Speaker 2: Not a.
Speaker 1: Hundred hundred two hundred million.
Speaker 4: You make a lifetime. This is a lifetime of medical
Speaker 4: medical you know how medical course is.
Speaker 1: And he's young, sixty seventy.
Speaker 4: This is a young man, and he has to have
Speaker 4: a lifetime a medical cost. So at some point they're
Speaker 4: going to have to utilize that money. Try to invest
Speaker 4: in something that continues to make money, because that right there, O,
Speaker 4: right now, just off his medical you know alone, is
Speaker 4: if he's able to live a long life, you know,
Speaker 4: just just the average life that the individual lives.
Speaker 3: So that mother, his mother maybe seven sixty nine seventy,
Speaker 3: like these people have years to live.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's.
Speaker 3: That's where we stand now. And of course he needs
Speaker 3: medical kids twenty four hours a day. Still, Oh, I
Speaker 3: was gonna say before you say that. And you know,
Speaker 3: the more money you have, the less help you get
Speaker 3: from the government.
Speaker 2: So that's a.
Speaker 1: Whole other thing.
Speaker 3: You're paying for everything on your own because the more
Speaker 3: money you like, if you have medicaid. The best insurance
Speaker 3: I had was Medicaid. I'm not even gonna lie. It
Speaker 3: was good insurance when I had Medicaid.
Speaker 1: Then I got a job, got myself together, moved on.
Speaker 1: No more Medicaid. Insurance goes down.
Speaker 3: From there, so you have to be super poor, and
Speaker 3: they're trying to change that. The Republicans want that to end. Okay,
Speaker 3: but there was a time when as far as you are,
Speaker 3: you could have good insurance. Now you you might not
Speaker 3: even get it at that point. So we just end
Speaker 3: up the messed up.
Speaker 4: Time to start Ugdale Man for doing leading to charge,
Speaker 4: you know, and being vocal on the local grassroots side
Speaker 4: of d Randy Cox you know situation, you know, and
Speaker 4: Ben Crump once again for doing what he does.
Speaker 2: You know, I tell people all the time, I don't
Speaker 2: know what y'all think Crump does. You know.
Speaker 4: Crump is not prosecuted. He can't send nobody to jail,
Speaker 4: but he when he goes in there, he wants to
Speaker 4: make sure that you paid for what you did wrong
Speaker 4: to anybody exactly.
Speaker 2: He's pretty much the best at that.
Speaker 3: Like he said, you're gonna make it so expensive that
Speaker 3: you can't even you don't even want the police departments
Speaker 3: in the city can't even manage the amount.
Speaker 1: Of money that it costs you to pay for.
Speaker 3: Injustice and that and that, and that's a part of
Speaker 3: his own activism. I'm gonna find a way to bring
Speaker 3: as much attention into these situations so that when you
Speaker 3: have to settle, the number is so high you can't
Speaker 3: even afford it. We're just going to start bankrupting police
Speaker 3: departments until we can get courts to actually give us justice.
Speaker 3: So everybody's fighting on different levels.
Speaker 1: Funny thing that happened last night.
Speaker 3: So you know that the writers in Hollywood, all the
Speaker 3: writers in Hollywood have been on strike for over all months.
Speaker 3: So they're striking for all types of all types of rights.
Speaker 3: They want sort of an overhaul to the ways in
Speaker 3: which writers are not respected in this moment, right, So,
Speaker 3: and people who don't know about this, you should really
Speaker 3: because it's actually something. It's really powerful to see how
Speaker 3: writers from so many different backgrounds, writers from all different hues.
Speaker 3: It's not just black folks because you know, usually it
Speaker 3: be the blacks and the browns getting together to strike
Speaker 3: about something. But there's white people, there's black people, there's
Speaker 3: all types of writers coming together to say, nah, the
Speaker 3: system has to check. Writers have to be respected, they
Speaker 3: have to be paid different, they need benefits, they need
Speaker 3: all the things that they're supposed to have.
Speaker 1: So that's been going on. So because they did not.
Speaker 3: Have because the writers are on strike, there was no
Speaker 3: real script for the Tonies. Last night, speaking of the Ties,
Speaker 3: there was no script for the Tonys, and so we
Speaker 3: were getting up there saying whatever they wanted to say,
Speaker 3: and one person stood up and called DeSantis Governor DeSantis
Speaker 3: the Grand Wizard of Florida. Now that is so listen
Speaker 3: as true as can be. But beyond it being true,
Speaker 3: it is something you never see happen on daytime TV,
Speaker 3: prime time. So I'm just saying, I'm I'm very happy that.
Speaker 2: That voices have to be heard.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: You got to call a spade a spade, man, because.
Speaker 3: If the writers have been there, it would have probably
Speaker 3: been many white writers that would have been on this show,
Speaker 3: and they would have censored it. So, you know, not
Speaker 3: to say that I hate this that they have to strike,
Speaker 3: but it's good that if when they were striking, people
Speaker 3: just get this talk real and say whatever they want.
Speaker 1: That's really hard to strike too.
Speaker 2: That's part of the strike. That's definitely part of the stripe.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: We're going to speak truth to power in this tract.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: Since we all strike, Hey, we're gonna just say whatever
Speaker 3: we want to say. And then what in the hell,
Speaker 3: speaking of Governor Di's answers. Is Teddy Riley talking about like, bruh,
Speaker 3: my thing?
Speaker 1: Is this right?
Speaker 3: He's been defending Trump because he says that Trump did
Speaker 3: something I think part of his cousin or did something
Speaker 3: for his family and pride.
Speaker 1: His brother. Now I didn't even.
Speaker 3: Know what he did, but I know he was saying, oh, well,
Speaker 3: we kind of owe it to him because he did
Speaker 3: something for my family. Why don't we understand that just
Speaker 3: because somebody does something for you, it does not mean
Speaker 3: that you owe them your ass like you're dumb for
Speaker 3: that period. You don't owe them your whole ass just
Speaker 3: because they did something for you. You can still say, hey,
Speaker 3: I pre first of all. First of all, if that
Speaker 3: is what is required for some favors, you might not
Speaker 3: need that favor. And I'm not saying and I know
Speaker 3: that if he was here, he would say, Oh, it's
Speaker 3: easy for you to say that I was the favor
Speaker 3: is in trade for my brother's freedom.
Speaker 1: Respect that I get it.
Speaker 3: But if a person therefore tells you that because or
Speaker 3: if you feel that because you your brother was free,
Speaker 3: you now have the obligation to support a racist, fascist,
Speaker 3: freaking man who we just we just have been talking
Speaker 3: about the last few weeks or the last few years,
Speaker 3: but specifically in the last few days. Actually how dangerous
Speaker 3: this man is. And you here like just be Why
Speaker 3: don't people know how to just be?
Speaker 1: Who asked him to say something?
Speaker 4: I'm telling you that's that's what social media does. You know,
Speaker 4: we've all been victim. It makes you speak when you
Speaker 4: don't need to speak, right, It makes you say shit
Speaker 4: that everybody should know, Like if you support Trump, support Trump,
Speaker 4: you know, but I think I think in the space
Speaker 4: that you are Teddy Riley, just just understanding where you are,
Speaker 4: what your demographic is, what your fan base is. You know,
Speaker 4: I think you have to be very much more strategic
Speaker 4: and articulate at the way that you support somebody, Right,
Speaker 4: because you support somebody like Trump, because he freed your
Speaker 4: your brother, you have to you can say that. You
Speaker 4: can say, you know, what I appreciate with President Trump
Speaker 4: is then for my brother there, and you know he
Speaker 4: has done good things. I don't agree with this. I
Speaker 4: don't agree with that. I don't agree with this. I
Speaker 4: can see why this is a problem. But you know
Speaker 4: the fact that I will always be grateful for the
Speaker 4: fact that he was the personal part of my brother
Speaker 4: now this right here, I can't go, sir, I understand
Speaker 4: why everyone else is mad, you know. And and when
Speaker 4: you do stuff like that, people can't do anything but say, okay,
Speaker 4: I can I can respect that. But when you just
Speaker 4: start saying, yo, I support him because he did this,
Speaker 4: and he taught me how to be a free man.
Speaker 2: And what you're talking about the free man.
Speaker 4: That man got more charges than the pooky.
Speaker 2: But what are you talking about? Like what did he
Speaker 2: taught you?
Speaker 4: He taught you how to just say fuck fuck you know,
Speaker 4: common sense and you know, fuck the law and I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna do things my way. And like, I don't
Speaker 4: understand what Teddy is trying to, you know, prove or
Speaker 4: try to say. But I think it landed wrong. This
Speaker 4: one didn't.
Speaker 2: Land properly, you know.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing when you don't know what you're
Speaker 3: talking about and you get to talk and people can
Speaker 3: click quickly tell and so in order to to do
Speaker 3: what you just suggested, which is to say, hey, I
Speaker 3: I forgot to call him sexist, I said racist fascists.
Speaker 1: I needed to say sexist, And they excuse me. When
Speaker 1: when you.
Speaker 3: Are not well informed, right, you're unable to say I
Speaker 3: appreciate Trump for what he's done. But I also see
Speaker 3: an issue with x y Z because you don't even
Speaker 3: know what x y Z is. Because you're not even
Speaker 3: paying attention to what's going on. You can't be because
Speaker 3: I have to believe Teddy Riley as an artist and
Speaker 3: and and an and a and a.
Speaker 1: Musical genius that we know and respect.
Speaker 3: I have to believe that you have not been paying
Speaker 3: attention to the political landscape in America. For you, I
Speaker 3: would not even say right that I just I support Trump.
Speaker 3: I mean of Joe Biden one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say that. No way would I say.
Speaker 4: And nobody has ever seen And that's what pisses me
Speaker 4: off because people say, oh, you said, well, I said,
Speaker 4: just show me the place where I said vote for
Speaker 4: Tell me showed me the one time that you heard
Speaker 4: those words ever in ever come out my mind. There
Speaker 4: has never been a time that I told you go
Speaker 4: vote for Biden. Nobody can ever put that in my mind.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I understand you know the reality of what's going on,
Speaker 4: But oh, so what I was want to say, You know,
Speaker 4: it seems to me it's very disheartening, right that us
Speaker 4: as black people that it's like, you give us this
Speaker 4: one crumb and we stop and we never forget that crumb,
Speaker 4: and we just overlook the fact that the master them
Speaker 4: beat us and do all.
Speaker 2: Type of shit.
Speaker 4: It's like, I have I hear this same sentiment, Well,
Speaker 4: Trump let niggas go home.
Speaker 2: I know niggas that went home.
Speaker 4: And it's like when you look at the amount of
Speaker 4: people that Trump let go home, you know, and they're vocal.
Speaker 4: Somehow their voices get vocal, dude, the black people that
Speaker 4: they let go home, the voice is vocal. And when
Speaker 4: you look at historically, you know, the Obama administration did
Speaker 4: more part in this historically than probably the last ten administrations.
Speaker 4: And you never hear that talked about. You know, those
Speaker 4: are those things are never like literally, he had the
Speaker 4: side over one thousand people to be free because the
Speaker 4: Republicans refused to pass the original lord that he wanted
Speaker 4: to make the drug. The people who are the same
Speaker 4: people that Trump let about five thousand of them go home.
Speaker 2: Originally he was trying to.
Speaker 4: Make it retroactive, so everybody with that charge would have
Speaker 4: been free immediate, you know.
Speaker 2: And the Republicans blocked. These are the things that's not said.
Speaker 4: So when we have those conversations where, oh, and Trump
Speaker 4: gave us stimulus, you know, nobody get like this is
Speaker 4: the ship that that when Trump says woe for me,
Speaker 4: you know, my African Americans, what do you have to lose?
Speaker 4: You know, shit like that is like somebody throwing us pennies,
Speaker 4: and we just say, look, he gave us this, you know,
Speaker 4: and it really is disheartened. But you I understand because
Speaker 4: you're talking about people who really haven't had anything. You know,
Speaker 4: You're talking about our communities who really have been disheveled
Speaker 4: and dealing with a lot. So you know, they they
Speaker 4: played this game all the time, and we fall for it,
Speaker 4: and I hate hearing it.
Speaker 3: What I would say is that because you mentioned but
Speaker 3: you kind of like spent past it that President Obama
Speaker 3: he was trying to pass legislation that would allow multiple
Speaker 3: people to be freed at one time, and they slowed
Speaker 3: down his progress by forcing him to have to go
Speaker 3: and free each person individually, which.
Speaker 2: If they didn't slow down the process, they blocked the process.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They ain't blocked that process. So what happened is since.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't block, they wouldn't pass the legislation because they
Speaker 4: gutted it. And that's how they came up with this
Speaker 4: first step, because they completely gutted Obama's bill that would
Speaker 4: have retroactively freed all non violence.
Speaker 2: Drug offenders.
Speaker 4: So they gutted it and they came up with this
Speaker 4: first act that only freed probably like three percent of
Speaker 4: what he was trying to let go. But and in
Speaker 4: his last days, since he knew they wasn't doing it,
Speaker 4: he started signing over one thousand partans to release people.
Speaker 4: And because he figured before that that they.
Speaker 2: Would do it, you know, he wasn't.
Speaker 4: Now it's like three or four days and ten days
Speaker 4: before we go, and you got to physically sign nose.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't a physical signing thing though it wasn't.
Speaker 3: It's that in order to get each individual person freed,
Speaker 3: there's a court process. So that's what that's what I
Speaker 3: meant when I said slowed it down. There's a court
Speaker 3: process for each person. There's all types of briefs that
Speaker 3: have to be fouled, there's lawyers that have to go
Speaker 3: in and do all of this work within the courts
Speaker 3: and so they wouldn't allow out him to pass legislation
Speaker 3: that would make it happen easily or.
Speaker 1: Not so much easily.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean retroactively, yes, But I'm saying it
Speaker 3: would have it would have been like a slate of
Speaker 3: individuals versus him having to have his administration with all
Speaker 3: the other things they're working on, focus on individual people.
Speaker 3: And so with that being said, these folks are very
Speaker 3: strategic about what they do. And I think that, yes,
Speaker 3: you know when you talked about how Trump said, you know,
Speaker 3: the black people have nothing to lose, and so did
Speaker 3: President Biden say, if you black, you're.
Speaker 1: Not black, if you don't vote for me.
Speaker 3: I mean, these these these people say some of the
Speaker 3: dumbest shit you ever want to hear. And it's all.
Speaker 3: It all is rooted in racism. All of it is
Speaker 3: rooted in racism. And I'm saying that a person like
Speaker 3: Teddy Riley needs to have people around him to help
Speaker 3: him be informed.
Speaker 1: And he need not feel that he.
Speaker 3: All Donald Trump an allegiance against his own people.
Speaker 1: That he need not feel that he.
Speaker 3: Owes Donald Trump an allegiance against American citizens.
Speaker 1: I mean, you need not feel that you can.
Speaker 3: Still say I appreciate this thing you did over here,
Speaker 3: and I respect it, but you need not go and
Speaker 3: sell your whole body in order to get that. It's
Speaker 3: like a man gives me a nice bag or a
Speaker 3: nice gift, or even does something life changing for me.
Speaker 3: You can't screw me every time you come over here, though,
Speaker 3: Like what they say the song, the song say what have.
Speaker 1: You done for me lately?
Speaker 3: Okay, because you might have did that thing over there,
Speaker 3: but then you're doing these other things over here. That's
Speaker 3: not okay. And we just don't have to praise racist
Speaker 3: white people. We just don't have to do it no
Speaker 3: matter because guess what pardoning your brother, pardoning all our people,
Speaker 3: free our people, free our people. Not saying that everything
Speaker 3: our people have done is right or whatever, but standing
Speaker 3: in the way the systems have been set up in
Speaker 3: this country and the ways in which they can find
Speaker 3: to criminalize us and not criminalize themselves, that is unjust
Speaker 3: so free our people. I'm saying that, right, And so therefore,
Speaker 3: if you do pardon somebody, damn it, you were supposed to.
Speaker 1: So now there we go.
Speaker 3: So you didn't do shit that was so so big
Speaker 3: and cool, It's good. We grateful for Topeka and others.
Speaker 3: We know that that was the right thing to do,
Speaker 3: but it was the right thing to do. So just
Speaker 3: because you did the right thing does not mean that
Speaker 3: you have to get praised in the bullshit that you're.
Speaker 1: Also doing at the same time. So that was my
Speaker 1: thought of the day.
Speaker 3: My thought of the day is to Teddy Riley, you
Speaker 3: do not owe Donald Trump your whole ass just because
Speaker 3: he pardoned your brother. He did what he was supposed
Speaker 3: to do. He was the president, and obviously they found
Speaker 3: reason to do so. Now you still at this time
Speaker 3: have the right to call a spade a spade and
Speaker 3: call lot of men who is a racist, sexist fascist
Speaker 3: who wants to take our country to a place where
Speaker 3: black people will not be free. So whatever he tells you,
Speaker 3: or whatever you think you learn about being a free
Speaker 3: black man, if you allow Donald Trump to be president
Speaker 3: of this country, I promise you they have done enough
Speaker 3: to unravel, to shift, to change, to destroy the little
Speaker 3: bit of progress that our people have made. And if
Speaker 3: you allow even for one moment that man to become
Speaker 3: president of this country again, you're gonna see some shit.
Speaker 3: Because the DeSantis is the governor DeSantis and all of
Speaker 3: these folks. They were emboldened due to President Trump's presidency.
Speaker 3: So don't sell your whole ass for one favor that
Speaker 3: was done to your personal family, because there is a
Speaker 3: family of millions and millions more that also deserve for
Speaker 3: you to stand up for them.
Speaker 2: Not the whole ass, toy, not the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So now it's time for us to go to our guests.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to have this conversation because we keep calling
Speaker 3: me asking me about Trump. I'm like, shit, I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to figure it out, just like you. I
Speaker 3: just want to ask, is Trump going to jail? So
Speaker 3: our next guest is going to come on and help
Speaker 3: us break down what's happening. Thirty seven indictment charges. That's
Speaker 3: a lot of charges. That's a lot of charges. Perhaps
Speaker 3: there was a real investigation going. So our guest today
Speaker 3: is somebody who is absolutely no stranger to street politicians.
Speaker 3: We like to call him our smart, educated, edumaicated knowledge
Speaker 3: of well bull know it all of all about all
Speaker 3: things politics of bull movement.
Speaker 1: Everything is Reverend Mark Thompson.
Speaker 3: He's also our friend and brother, and we invited you
Speaker 3: on today, Reverend Thompson, to help us unpack what is
Speaker 3: happening with the Trump indictments and the question that I
Speaker 3: have to get us kicked off is is Trump going
Speaker 3: to jail? That's what I want to know. Thank you
Speaker 3: for being on with us.
Speaker 6: Mark Thompson, well, thank you for having me, and good
Speaker 6: as always to be with you and Mice.
Speaker 5: Hey brother, how you doing King?
Speaker 6: I'm good man, you know, to be first of all,
Speaker 6: full disclosure. Obviously I'm not an attorney, but most people aren't,
Speaker 6: so I think it's good to hear from us lay
Speaker 6: people about what this looks like and what this means.
Speaker 6: And first of all, I think it's important as much
Speaker 6: as the three of us talk about injustices and the
Speaker 6: criminal injustice system.
Speaker 5: I mean, for a.
Speaker 6: Change, we see a white man being held accountable for
Speaker 6: crimes that he actually committed, when everyday black folk are
Speaker 6: held accountable for crimes that they don't commit or that
Speaker 6: they don't have legal representation to get them out of.
Speaker 5: And I think they've been statistics to.
Speaker 6: Show that most of us who are locked up don't
Speaker 6: even see the inside of a courtroom in terms of
Speaker 6: a trial. We're pushed into a please situation. And answer
Speaker 6: to your question, I think it's going to be very,
Speaker 6: very difficult to keep Donald Trump out of jail because
Speaker 6: of the magnitude of what this is and for those
Speaker 6: who may not really understand that.
Speaker 5: On the one hand, it.
Speaker 6: Looks like, well, he stole some boxes, some documents, but
Speaker 6: you have to know what the documents mean. This is
Speaker 6: classified information about weapons systems the Department of Defense plans
Speaker 6: to invade or surveil other countries, and it also contains
Speaker 6: information about informants and what have you, agents and the CIA.
Speaker 5: Now New York Times did a story.
Speaker 6: Recently on CIA agents being targeted, being outed. That's a
Speaker 6: very serious crime when you're the commander in chief and
Speaker 6: you take that oath of office. If you are causing
Speaker 6: harm to people in the CIA who are spies and
Speaker 6: exposing them, that puts them in their families at risk.
Speaker 6: And it appears Donald Trump has put those individuals risks
Speaker 6: at risks. We don't know for certain yet whether he's
Speaker 6: caused the death of anyone, and we probably won't know
Speaker 6: because that information is still classified. But if in fact
Speaker 6: he's caused death and harm to individuals who are unemployed
Speaker 6: the United States government, if he's revealed secrets, and by
Speaker 6: the way, when you reveal secrets about United States agents,
Speaker 6: you often also are also are revealing secrets abouts and
Speaker 6: agents in other countries who are United States allies. Also
Speaker 6: want to be clear, you know, to borrow page from Malcolm,
Speaker 6: you know, when people would say our astronauts are not
Speaker 6: our astronauts, these aren't our agents. We as black folks,
Speaker 6: really don't have any business but to do anything but
Speaker 6: criticize US foreign policy and US espionage has never been
Speaker 6: good for US, and it's never been good good for
Speaker 6: black people, if not people of color throughout the world.
Speaker 6: But in this business of empire in which he was
Speaker 6: their employee.
Speaker 5: You know, if we're the president, we are an employee
Speaker 5: of the empire.
Speaker 6: And when you have a job and you take an
Speaker 6: oath on that job and you do things that bring
Speaker 6: harm to your employee, your company, that institution, which in
Speaker 6: this case happens to be the United States government, you
Speaker 6: can go down thirty seven counts.
Speaker 5: I don't know anybody in any.
Speaker 6: Category lastly, that can have thirty seven charges filed against them,
Speaker 6: thirty seven felonies federal charges and escape being convicted of
Speaker 6: any I just don't you know, as you know, nice
Speaker 6: even when folks have to take plea deal. They get
Speaker 6: a bunch charges, but they got to plead something's gonna happen.
Speaker 6: That's part of the arrangement.
Speaker 5: You got it.
Speaker 6: And I don't really know if he's eligible for a
Speaker 6: plea deal. He's probably too proud to do it. But
Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be very, very difficult for an
Speaker 6: argument to be made to keep him out jail.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So he so basically some of the information he has
Speaker 4: exposes the CIA's snitches, the ones they got.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: So man, well, well put it in another way, he's
Speaker 6: he's he's snitching.
Speaker 2: Now we don't exposed. So they just might have been
Speaker 2: just undercover.
Speaker 5: Undercover, and that's the CIA's that's their job. They spy organization.
Speaker 6: So throughout the world, the different intelligence agencies, the most
Speaker 6: notorious being the the CI, A, British m I six
Speaker 6: that's James Bond, folks, that's who he works for, UH
Speaker 6: and obviously Israel's Massade. Those are three of the most
Speaker 6: powerful espionage agencies in the world, and there are others
Speaker 6: that are significant Pakistan, Canada, UH and And that's the
Speaker 6: business of Empire. They spy, they surveil, they spy on countries,
Speaker 6: that they consider enemies and they spy on each other.
Speaker 6: All right, That's that's the intrigue of politics in the world, right,
Speaker 6: And so Trump has placed that whole apparatus in jeopardy.
Speaker 5: It is, it is reckless.
Speaker 6: And ultimately, if you're the president today, if you're Joe Biden,
Speaker 6: then your allies are probably call and saying, what's up?
Speaker 6: How can we trust you? Is our information safe with you?
Speaker 6: Because you have spies of work together. If there's if
Speaker 6: there's a US spy or a US project or initiative
Speaker 6: that's working with the British government or the Israeli government,
Speaker 6: and that's in those boxes, and it gets exposed. And
Speaker 6: what is he doing? He takes the boxes, y'all. It's
Speaker 6: it's if if it weren't funny, it'd be kind of
Speaker 6: saying he's he's real messy. He takes boxes, packs them himself.
Speaker 6: He packs these boxes of classified documents himself, stores them
Speaker 6: on the stage in mar Alago. Then when the heat
Speaker 6: comes he puts them in the bathroom in Marlago. I
Speaker 6: mean boxes on boxes, and when people come back, he
Speaker 6: shows off, Look, I have a box.
Speaker 5: This is a document. I'm not supposed show you a
Speaker 5: secret document.
Speaker 6: It's like a kid showing off something to make himself
Speaker 6: seemed popular, very reckless, very childish.
Speaker 3: But you brought up Joe Biden and President Biden, and
Speaker 3: so he had documents as well, Right, that was something
Speaker 3: that was found recently that he also had document documents.
Speaker 3: What's the difference in the two.
Speaker 5: Well, to this point, Joe Biden hasn't been indicted.
Speaker 6: Second of all, he reported immediately had taken these documents
Speaker 6: by mistake. Also, by the way, Mike Pence as well,
Speaker 6: Mike Pence found documents on his person, disclosed them, turn
Speaker 6: them in. So apparently it's not an impossibility that someone
Speaker 6: could take something home that they later learned they should
Speaker 6: not have taken home. And both those instances with Biden
Speaker 6: and Pence, those documents were disclosed and they're under if
Speaker 6: they're not still on investigation. Investigation was closed and it
Speaker 6: has not resulted in a special council or a grand jury.
Speaker 6: And then we're not talking about boxes either. I mean,
Speaker 6: if you look at the indictment, folks, Trump probably had
Speaker 6: at least twenty twenty five boxes doctor documents. I mean
Speaker 6: huge boxes are going to moving truck, right, And I think.
Speaker 3: With President Biden when he was asked to return the
Speaker 3: documents or whatever happened, they immediately turned them over. It
Speaker 3: wasn't like this process that they had to go through
Speaker 3: of literally breaking into mar Lago right go get through, and.
Speaker 6: He didn't obstruct justice. One of the charges of obstruction
Speaker 6: of justice, which is a very serious charge.
Speaker 5: Trump lied.
Speaker 6: He lied about the documents, lied about what he had
Speaker 6: lied about where they came from.
Speaker 5: He's incriminated himself several times.
Speaker 6: With the back and forth stories about I could be classified,
Speaker 6: but I can't, and I know I shouldn't have him,
Speaker 6: but I'm able to do classify. If I say it's classified,
Speaker 6: he's classified, but I know I'm really not supposed to
Speaker 6: have it. I mean, he's he's just all over the place.
Speaker 6: He has no legal representation, that's real. Two of his
Speaker 6: lawyers have resigned since this. Nobody wants to represent him
Speaker 6: because none of the lawyers want to go to jail.
Speaker 6: They're scared of that. And that's what happens when you
Speaker 6: represent Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: He has we all live in New York.
Speaker 6: He has been able to skir the law all his
Speaker 6: life in New York, get away with things. But I
Speaker 6: think he's finally met his match in this Special Council
Speaker 6: and in this in this federal judicial system.
Speaker 4: So so he's been indicted, So what's what is the
Speaker 4: next stage do you have? They said any time for trial?
Speaker 4: Like what is who's going to try it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: What is going on? Will find out what the timetable is.
Speaker 6: It's supposed to be something called the Rocket Dock at
Speaker 6: Rocket Docket in Florida, which is why the Special Council
Speaker 6: chose to go to Florida for that. But the bad
Speaker 6: part of out it about it is they ended up
Speaker 6: with a Trump appointee as judge who's made some rulings
Speaker 6: in the past favorable to Trump that even the Eleventh
Speaker 6: Circuit which oversees her, criticized her for so. Not sure
Speaker 6: how this is going to work out. She may try
Speaker 6: to help him. I think it'll be difficult for her
Speaker 6: to do. She has an oath as well. This is
Speaker 6: a pretty this is not circumstantial case. It's pretty black white.
Speaker 6: He we have the pictures of the boxes in Marlago,
Speaker 6: so he can't say they weren't there, all right, so
Speaker 6: he took him home. He has them, and in a
Speaker 6: trial like this, that's really all you're trying. Does he
Speaker 6: have him, does he not? Did he lie about having them?
Speaker 6: They can prove all of that. She may have the power,
Speaker 6: It's unclear yet.
Speaker 5: She may have the.
Speaker 6: Power to postpone the trial for a long time until
Speaker 6: after to draw it out. And I'm sure whatever lawyers
Speaker 6: he tricks into representing him to draw it out past
Speaker 6: the twenty twenty four election, and if he can do that,
Speaker 6: he can run again. I doubt he'll be re elected,
Speaker 6: but he can't back. I think if it's Biden and
Speaker 6: Trump head the head, it'll go down the same way
Speaker 6: it did in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: We'll see, but he'll have this hang over his head.
Speaker 6: If the trial goes forward and he's in deep trouble,
Speaker 6: deep doodoo, that just lessens his chances even more of
Speaker 6: being elected president again.
Speaker 4: If he was elected president, could he go to jail?
Speaker 4: Can you send a sitting president to prison?
Speaker 5: I believe so.
Speaker 2: I think the you know different things about that, So
Speaker 2: I was yeah.
Speaker 6: My understanding is the only thing that would actually disqualify
Speaker 6: him from serving would be if he was actually convicted
Speaker 6: of sedition and insurrection in the January sixth matter. I'm
Speaker 6: not clear as to whether or not if he's found
Speaker 6: guilty of the Espionage Act, if he in fact is disqualified,
Speaker 6: he ought to be. I mean, that's there's historical president
Speaker 6: for that. You know, Bennett an Ord, bennettedt Onnod wasn't president.
Speaker 6: But we say the name Benedict Arnold. That's the name.
Speaker 6: It's always used when somebody is a turncoat or a snitch.
Speaker 6: And and Donald Trump is right, is the first president
Speaker 6: to be in that category. To make you asked earlier
Speaker 6: whether this has happened before. I think the closest that
Speaker 6: this has come before.
Speaker 5: Was when Richard Nixon. Well actually two instances.
Speaker 6: Richard Nixon sabotaged the Paris Peace Accords that would.
Speaker 5: Have ended the Vietnam War.
Speaker 6: During Johnson's administration, right before the sixth state election. Wanted
Speaker 6: to harm Johnson, so he sabotaged the peace talks it
Speaker 6: could have ended earlier, to draw out the war to
Speaker 6: hurt Johnson.
Speaker 5: Needless to say, Johnson not running.
Speaker 6: The only other circumstances would have been when Ronald Reagan
Speaker 6: and George H. W. Bush the Father negotiated with the
Speaker 6: Ayatola to keep the hostages in Iran in nineteen eighty
Speaker 6: so that Jimmy Carter could lose and they could win
Speaker 6: the election.
Speaker 5: So there's been that level of infirs.
Speaker 6: They were prosecuted and they were never charged. They were
Speaker 6: never charged, and those are things that are that are
Speaker 6: known about. There was no special counsel appointed, and some
Speaker 6: of that is circumstantial. That's about places and people being
Speaker 6: in different places at certain times.
Speaker 5: But this is hard body evidence, paperwork.
Speaker 3: But but that brings me to my question mark, how
Speaker 3: did we get the pictures?
Speaker 1: How did that happen?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: You talked about lawyers who have resigned, You've talked about,
Speaker 3: you know, people who don't want to be implicated in
Speaker 3: this because it's actually really serious.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know the gentleman's name.
Speaker 3: In fact, I think I could pull it up, but
Speaker 3: it was it's one of these uh talking heads or
Speaker 3: folks that they invite to be on Fox News channel
Speaker 3: all the time that has defended Trump for everything anything
Speaker 3: he does.
Speaker 1: He's you know, Trump didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 3: And finally this weekend the man was on Fox News
Speaker 3: and said these charges are pretty damning. Right, So it
Speaker 3: seems like a lot of people are beginning to say,
Speaker 3: there's no more.
Speaker 1: We can't there's no more wiggle room here.
Speaker 3: So the question that that makes me wonder, how did
Speaker 3: these documents become? How did the pictures of the documents
Speaker 3: and the video and all of the details of.
Speaker 1: What he did and said, And.
Speaker 3: Like you said, he was telling people, I'm not supposed
Speaker 3: to have these doculas, but I have them, but I
Speaker 3: could declassify.
Speaker 1: How do we find all of this out?
Speaker 6: Well, as we know, the Special Counsel's Office and the
Speaker 6: FBI have been investigating this for over year. So they've
Speaker 6: interviewed Trump, they've interviewed people down in mar A Lago.
Speaker 6: They have been gathering evidence, and they took pictures of
Speaker 6: the documents once they found them, once they realized where
Speaker 6: they were, and so that's how we have them, and
Speaker 6: that's what's in the charging document. We had not seen
Speaker 6: those pictures before the indictment document was released and the
Speaker 6: Special Council said, look, everybody, just look look at this.
Speaker 6: We don't have a lot to say about it. You
Speaker 6: can look at it for yourselves, read it for yourselves,
Speaker 6: and see what this is really all about. So that's
Speaker 6: how it came about. This has been going on for
Speaker 6: some time. He prolonged it by not wanting to turn
Speaker 6: documents over over time. He prolonged it by changing his story,
Speaker 6: so many tis. All of that is laid out, and
Speaker 6: people go look at it online. You can just literally
Speaker 6: google the Trump indictment and see even some of the
Speaker 6: things he was saying. He had somebody somebody's writing a
Speaker 6: book and he says, come let me show you something.
Speaker 6: I'm not supposed to show you this, it's a secret.
Speaker 6: But look I got this document. This was planning for
Speaker 6: water to go to war against Irhan. This is the
Speaker 6: missile weapons system. We're trying to be just crazy. And
Speaker 6: even the people who were doing it, like they were like, wait, minue,
Speaker 6: maybe we shouldn't be looking this either, because they don't nobody.
Speaker 6: You know, people don't want to be implicated. You know,
Speaker 6: don't show me. I don't want to see that. But
Speaker 6: he's flashing these documents of people just to impress them,
Speaker 6: because that's just how immature he is. I think to
Speaker 6: his credit, the Special Counsel and by the way, the
Speaker 6: Council Jack Smith, he is a prosecutor in the International
Speaker 6: Criminal Court, so he has a reputation of prosecuting world
Speaker 6: leaders for crimes.
Speaker 5: That's his thing.
Speaker 6: So this is who was chosen by Merrit Garland to
Speaker 6: prosecute this, and I don't know. I just don't know
Speaker 6: how Trump gets.
Speaker 5: Out of it.
Speaker 6: It'll be it'll be drawn out. You mentioned, though, Tamika,
Speaker 6: that people are now saying that.
Speaker 5: He's in trouble.
Speaker 6: Some are, but none of the Republican candidates are yet.
Speaker 6: They are interestingly silent because they still don't want to
Speaker 6: offend his base.
Speaker 5: They want his voter.
Speaker 6: So DeSantis that the day after DeSantis said Trump violated
Speaker 6: the Constitution when he tried to order him to take
Speaker 6: part in the insurrection, He's gonna kill Mike Pints.
Speaker 5: It's gonna have him hung. The next day, when Trump's indicted,
Speaker 5: he says that that's wrong. He's scared. DeSantis are scared.
Speaker 6: Chris Christie came out throwing lefts and rights in his announcement,
Speaker 6: but he's been silent too since they indictment. So so,
Speaker 6: on the one hand, those are the candidates, but yeah,
Speaker 6: other former officials, other.
Speaker 1: Former Jonathan is who I'm talking.
Speaker 6: I mean, people like that Bill Barr, even his Attorney General,
Speaker 6: John Bolton.
Speaker 5: But you know sometimes.
Speaker 1: People William Barr had something to say.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're all they've all said Trump is out of control.
Speaker 6: But I also, in my experience people also say those
Speaker 6: kinds of things because they may want to make sure
Speaker 6: they're not implicated. And anybody who was an attorney worth
Speaker 6: here's or her assault in the room with him while
Speaker 6: he was doing that, would have said, hey, dude, you
Speaker 6: are your own on this one.
Speaker 5: I can't be a part of this.
Speaker 3: That's that's what you say, right with when you be
Speaker 3: with your friend, your friend is wild and crazy and
Speaker 3: you with everything, you with the ships, and then they
Speaker 3: get to a certain point like what's.
Speaker 1: That movie we always laugh about Mice.
Speaker 2: American? I will leave you.
Speaker 1: Killing cops that everybody know you police.
Speaker 5: I'll give you another example.
Speaker 6: Let's all all all of us here talking again, all
Speaker 6: of us listen thing for a minute. Barack Obama's leaving
Speaker 6: the White House and he calls some of us because
Speaker 6: hey'll come over help me get some stuff put in
Speaker 6: some boxes and take with me. Now, what does an
Speaker 6: average person do. We might go over there and say
Speaker 6: what can we take? We may we take some sheets,
Speaker 6: some china, some paintings, even stuff that we can show
Speaker 6: off to our friends.
Speaker 5: Might we might have a few friends that might pass
Speaker 5: buy some stuff they can.
Speaker 6: Sell hot but what who would nobody here, nobody listening,
Speaker 6: I'm sure would ever think, Hey, where the classified documents kept?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 2: Because what are we gonna do with him?
Speaker 5: What do you do with classified documents?
Speaker 6: The only thing you can do is go to jail,
Speaker 6: but all that might so the other thing you can
Speaker 6: do is if you have a way to sell those.
Speaker 6: The only way you know how to sell those is
Speaker 6: if you are a professional spy. And what have people
Speaker 6: always said about Donald Trump? That he is an agent
Speaker 6: for the Russian government. So if somebody dropped a document
Speaker 6: like that in any one of the three of our laps, Okay,
Speaker 6: y'all go sell this. We won't even know who to call.
Speaker 6: We don't know anybody who knows who to call. But
Speaker 6: I'm person who would do who could do it would
Speaker 6: be a spy.
Speaker 2: That's one of the That's the jail that they don't
Speaker 2: even going.
Speaker 5: To put you in jail, right, that's jail.
Speaker 4: They can just hold you and say, look, we're just
Speaker 4: gonna keep you here for a bus sixty years until
Speaker 4: we figure out what you know.
Speaker 1: Linda talks about that all the time.
Speaker 3: It's like guantanamobey or whatever or something where they just
Speaker 3: hold you and you don't know what boson in those environments.
Speaker 1: But you know, Mark, you talk about how he sounds
Speaker 1: like a kid.
Speaker 3: Because it's true, it's kind of like you're dealing with
Speaker 3: a little child, right, Do you think that that is
Speaker 3: something that will get him leniency in the final hour
Speaker 3: that he didn't know how serious it was, or he
Speaker 3: didn't take it seriously because he thought it was like
Speaker 3: a joke, you know, because it seems like they always
Speaker 3: find wiggle room for white men one and two. Trump
Speaker 3: absolutely seems to just get away with whatever he wants
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 1: So where do you see holes possibly?
Speaker 5: I think in this judge.
Speaker 6: I think that's the biggest concern right now now the
Speaker 6: Special Council. Some are saying he was wise to take
Speaker 6: it to Florida because not only if that's where the
Speaker 6: documents were, it prevents Trump from drawing out the trial.
Speaker 6: If it were here in New York, what would Trump say, Oh,
Speaker 6: in New York is not a fair jury in New York.
Speaker 6: Everybody in New York is against it, which is true,
Speaker 6: and he would argue that he would be certainly convicted.
Speaker 6: So you take it to Florida aware one of the
Speaker 6: grand juries voted to indict. So even though Florida is
Speaker 6: Trump slashed the Santis country, they got a grand jury
Speaker 6: down there, can't get a grand jury nowhere to indict
Speaker 6: no officers for killing black people. But a grand jury
Speaker 6: in Florida, one of the red estates in the country,
Speaker 6: now voted to charge Donald Trump and to indict him.
Speaker 6: That says they saw something. They was like, whoa, this
Speaker 6: is a little scary. So you we'll have to see.
Speaker 6: I think the whole will be with the judge. She'll
Speaker 6: probably try to do some procedural things to muck it up.
Speaker 6: But I think it's going to be very difficult because
Speaker 6: when you instruct jury in a trial, you try to
Speaker 6: confine it to just the facts. Did he take these documents?
Speaker 6: That is the question, and there are pictures of the documents.
Speaker 6: He's been all over television. Seeah, I took him, my
Speaker 6: head the right to take him, but he didn't. He
Speaker 6: didn't have the right to take him.
Speaker 3: So he took these documents when he left left office.
Speaker 3: So this is not all at least that's what they think,
Speaker 3: because he couldn't.
Speaker 2: He took he took backed up, and he took his ship.
Speaker 3: So we saw the picture of the U haul truck
Speaker 3: outside in front of the White House and they made jokes. No,
Speaker 3: it was like a real picture and people made jokes
Speaker 3: that it was Milania getting her stuff out of there.
Speaker 1: But it's very possible.
Speaker 3: There's some documents like he just did what he wanted
Speaker 3: to do. But there has to be a reason for it,
Speaker 3: because you can't tell me that this man did not
Speaker 3: know he could get in big trouble for taking these documents.
Speaker 1: But he took the risks anyway. But then why would
Speaker 1: he tell other people?
Speaker 6: Mark, would you say he's stupid? He's you know, and
Speaker 6: and he's he's narcissistic. He thinks he can get away
Speaker 6: with everything. Look, remember now, folks, the protocol is for
Speaker 6: the outgoing president and the incoming president to be sworn
Speaker 6: in the ride to the Capitol together.
Speaker 5: Remember Trump didn't go to Biden's inauguration, he boycotted it.
Speaker 6: Well, now we know why he stayed back to be
Speaker 6: sure that his stuff personally, he personally packed this stuff.
Speaker 6: That's what the indictment said. He didn't have just staff
Speaker 6: do it. He's going through the boxes. Let's get this,
Speaker 6: let's get this instructing people what to pack.
Speaker 5: So and he didn't do that.
Speaker 6: In a matter of a few hours, he had obviously
Speaker 6: contemplated what he was gonna take and what he was
Speaker 6: going to try to use, uh, to either sell or
Speaker 6: to flash around. Uh, you know what other thing to
Speaker 6: makes him stupid is I hope he got something out
Speaker 6: of it. I mean, what's the point in going to
Speaker 6: jail just to keep some in your bathroom. You're gonna
Speaker 6: gonna do somethinghere to sell it, get some money, you know,
Speaker 6: extend your your contract with Putin or whoever you're gonna
Speaker 6: sell that information to.
Speaker 2: You probably gonna have you probably gonna have a you know,
Speaker 2: sut his own little museum.
Speaker 5: Well again, that's what there's a process for that.
Speaker 6: There are presidential libraries in museums, and you have to
Speaker 6: go through the National Archives and they decide what's released.
Speaker 6: Some things have timed releases, so there's certain presidential libraries.
Speaker 6: They may never get a document, they won't right away,
Speaker 6: but they'll get it when it's officials to be released.
Speaker 2: He's gonna circumfit the process.
Speaker 5: Man, already, I want it now.
Speaker 6: And but but even with that, has anybody heard about
Speaker 6: any fundraising the bill? The Trump Presidential library because it
Speaker 6: any most that starts right away.
Speaker 5: That probably was the reason money if his library.
Speaker 6: Trump ain't got no library, he has got no players
Speaker 6: the libraries in the bathroom in Marlaga.
Speaker 4: He probably was trying to be that was his exit plan,
Speaker 4: his retirement plan. He said, Man, all those fails, I
Speaker 4: got these documents.
Speaker 1: Man, I said, but wait me, let me ask this
Speaker 1: question though.
Speaker 3: Do you think and I know, again, like you said,
Speaker 3: none of us are lawyers.
Speaker 1: We weren't there. We don't know all the details, but
Speaker 1: we were pretty.
Speaker 3: Smart folks, and you know, we've been doing some things
Speaker 3: for long enough that we can make some pretty good assumption.
Speaker 1: Do you think he was being blackmailed to get these documents?
Speaker 1: And have we heard yet that anything is missing?
Speaker 3: Like are they looking for something in the to your point,
Speaker 3: current administration, the current administration has to deal with allies saying, hey,
Speaker 3: where's the stuff that we got something going on over here?
Speaker 3: Where's that stuff? Like cause anybody said, well, you know,
Speaker 3: where is this document that is about something serious in
Speaker 3: terms of international issues?
Speaker 5: Right? So last I'll answer the second part.
Speaker 6: First, I think we can reasonably hypothesize that that is
Speaker 6: going on, but because it's classified, they won't tell us.
Speaker 5: Also, that's the nature of that.
Speaker 6: We're going to to get little pieces of information dribbled out,
Speaker 6: and they're not going to disclose anything.
Speaker 5: That they may want to use in trial, because.
Speaker 1: That's we're gonna know everything in trial. It's going to
Speaker 1: be closed.
Speaker 5: Well, well some of it will be open.
Speaker 6: I'm sure some of it will be closed, some of
Speaker 6: it will be classified. But whatever they choose to disclose
Speaker 6: to the public, they're gonna hold that evidence.
Speaker 5: They're not going to give tip him off.
Speaker 6: Right, we'll never know the conversations that Biden is having
Speaker 6: with world leaders.
Speaker 5: Will never know, I said, New York Times just did a.
Speaker 6: Story on cioperatives being targeted and hunted and killed. So
Speaker 6: but you can't say who they were because that's the
Speaker 6: nature of being a CIA operative. Nobody can know who
Speaker 6: you are. Sometimes your family can't know you're a CIA operative.
Speaker 6: And so we'll never know whether that's a relationship. But
Speaker 6: directly between what Trump is done, we may find out
Speaker 6: in months to come or years to come. The White
Speaker 6: House will never tell us that the President of France
Speaker 6: is called by it and to say.
Speaker 5: Hey man, you compromise some of my people.
Speaker 6: You got you got operatives that work for the United
Speaker 6: States and operatives who work for other countries if their
Speaker 6: locations are disclosed. I mean this, this is that's the
Speaker 6: nature of the spy business. Your your life's on the line.
Speaker 6: If you get you get outed, you you're done. You
Speaker 6: your cover's blown. We've all watched enough TV and movies.
Speaker 6: You know where it works. You're covers blown, You're done.
Speaker 2: So Trump is a spot.
Speaker 6: Well so Malcolm Nance, who's the national security expert himself,
Speaker 6: when this, you know, was going on at first when
Speaker 6: he was in office, kind.
Speaker 5: Of walked us through the four levels.
Speaker 6: The highest level being a full on agent, the lowest
Speaker 6: level being a useful idiot. And I think there was
Speaker 6: consensus that Trump has always been a useful idiot. Nobody
Speaker 6: could ever find the evidence that he was actually on
Speaker 6: a payroll and that he had a you know, a.
Speaker 5: W two from the Russian government.
Speaker 6: But somewhere on that spectrum he's between useful idiot and
Speaker 6: being an agent.
Speaker 1: I think he played being black men possibly.
Speaker 5: Well, and that's part of the compromise.
Speaker 6: The compromise was always that they had surveiled Russia had
Speaker 6: surveiled him.
Speaker 5: It surveiled him in Russia.
Speaker 6: That's how the issue of the Golden Shower, the PP
Speaker 6: tape was out there, although they may not even need
Speaker 6: that because what you also have the other reality is
Speaker 6: he owes money to the to the oligarchs in Russia.
Speaker 6: That's enough.
Speaker 5: And let me tell you something. Put this aside. What
Speaker 5: we all know, what they how they play in Russia.
Speaker 5: They will take you out.
Speaker 6: They kill people, they disappear people, car accidents, everybody jumping out.
Speaker 6: Everybody ain't jumping out the window two three, four times
Speaker 6: a week. That doesn't happen every day, always five people
Speaker 6: jumped out the window Russia today. You know, no, no,
Speaker 6: no important people too, I mean big name people.
Speaker 5: So you know he knows that.
Speaker 6: And so that probably too is part of the black
Speaker 6: male and so that's that's how he gets away with.
Speaker 5: That's why, that's what that's what motivates hm.
Speaker 1: Hm.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: To unpack, Mark, it's a lot to unpack.
Speaker 6: So he's going to jail, well, we we hope, so
Speaker 6: we hope that he's held accountable. I mean, they'll probably
Speaker 6: they'll send him someplace nice if he goes, but I
Speaker 6: think it'll be very very difficult. I mean, what do
Speaker 6: you do with the president. You put an ankle bracelet
Speaker 6: on it, you let him, you stay in the house.
Speaker 6: I mean, you got to figure out this. This has
Speaker 6: never happened before, so this, this will be a very
Speaker 6: very different thing. If he goes to jail, he won't
Speaker 6: have the bronzer, the hair care products.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be rough.
Speaker 2: I think you can give him house. Arrests him and
Speaker 2: his homeboys.
Speaker 4: He got his house, like he got what table, tenants,
Speaker 4: he got tenants, he got golf, he got whatever he needed.
Speaker 2: It ain't ten to jail. I don't have that much
Speaker 2: faith in the hearth I hear.
Speaker 5: And you may be right.
Speaker 6: You may be right about that too, but it may
Speaker 6: be enough that this will be if this happens and
Speaker 6: goes down.
Speaker 5: If he's convicted.
Speaker 6: The first of all, he's already the first president in
Speaker 6: history to be federally indicted.
Speaker 5: And it's not done there.
Speaker 6: Finnie Willis in Georgia is working on another indictment from
Speaker 6: the from the election and the interference in that.
Speaker 5: So he's going to have other indictments to come.
Speaker 6: He's got a city indictment here in Manhattan, a state
Speaker 6: indictment from the state of New York, George is coming.
Speaker 6: No that this has never happened to any other president
Speaker 6: in history, So if nothing else, he's in.
Speaker 5: The history books for that.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: Now now the question becomes, what all now the candidates
Speaker 6: are running on, Well, we'll pardon, We'll do like Gerald
Speaker 6: Ford and and pardon him if he's in office soon
Speaker 6: if they put him in jail. Whoever, if a Republican
Speaker 6: president is in office, they'll pardon him, uh and and
Speaker 6: release him. And you know, the way this country works,
Speaker 6: Biden may be if he's re elected, he may be
Speaker 6: forced to the same because remember, Jim, that's what I know.
Speaker 3: Before you say, because I want you to say, give
Speaker 3: us the history of Jimmy Carter. But I was gonna
Speaker 3: say that Joe Biden president Biden might pardon him himself
Speaker 3: because if there is violence in the streets the way
Speaker 3: that has that Trump has been calling for, right like
Speaker 3: that is a thing, a real thing that he's using,
Speaker 3: which I don't even think that it's a whole language anymore.
Speaker 3: Seems to be very clear that tomorrow, I get well,
Speaker 3: we wouldn't say tomorrow. It seems to be very clear
Speaker 3: that he and other extremist groups are calling for there
Speaker 3: to be an uprising, and if he goes to jail,
Speaker 3: we can only imagine that that would get worse. And
Speaker 3: perhaps Joe Biden would feel that or the administration would
Speaker 3: feel that it doesn't serve the country to have him
Speaker 3: inside of a prison. And and you know, and the
Speaker 3: other thing is does it serve our country from a
Speaker 3: you know, visual right, the visuals of that tour for
Speaker 3: other countries doesn't make us look weak, like what do
Speaker 3: you think?
Speaker 6: Well, those are all the considerations Biden will have to
Speaker 6: take up because it is.
Speaker 5: Going to impact allies.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: The Prime Minister of Britain was just here. He visited
Speaker 6: the White House and for the first time he's a
Speaker 6: person of color.
Speaker 5: Although he's a right wing conservative.
Speaker 6: I'm sure in those private conversations Biden had to provide
Speaker 6: some reassurance that mutual secrets are safe or unsafe. Now,
Speaker 6: the other thing that happens is if and a CI
Speaker 6: operative is at risk of being burned, and people know that,
Speaker 6: I mean, they get these documents, they review them, they say,
Speaker 6: look these people in jeopardy. Then you pull them out,
Speaker 6: you know, if you have time to do that. But
Speaker 6: we also know some people have not been able to
Speaker 6: be pulled out, and their lives may be in jeopardy
Speaker 6: even as we speak. But I think that what Biden
Speaker 6: is going to.
Speaker 5: Have to do.
Speaker 6: Jimmy Carter commuted the sentences of one or two people
Speaker 6: convicted in Watergate. They were still they weren't pardoned, but
Speaker 6: they were commuted from prison to be free. Trump is
Speaker 6: an old man. They sent him to prison. I mean,
Speaker 6: it could just be something simple. He's too old, too sick,
Speaker 6: and people play those games too. The mafia does that.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you you know, I'm too old, I'm sick,
Speaker 6: and then they'll figure out a way to commute the sentence.
Speaker 6: So seeing him doue to count a hard time that
Speaker 6: a young person or a non president. Look look how
Speaker 6: they prosecute people or want to prosecute those involved in
Speaker 6: wiki leaks and other classified information. This is the same thing.
Speaker 6: And the United States has pressed him it so you
Speaker 6: can't come after all the other whistleblowers who are legitimate
Speaker 6: whistle blowers, and then comes to Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: Well we're just going to give him a pass.
Speaker 1: Now, Well that's it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like you said, Myson, it's a lot
Speaker 3: to unpack, and especially for people who don't pay attention
Speaker 3: to politics at all. This is like overwhelming all of
Speaker 3: this stuff. All they see is on the news. You know,
Speaker 3: Trump has indicted, and I think that it certainly puts
Speaker 3: a damper on society if he's indicted in this way.
Speaker 1: All these charges.
Speaker 3: You hear all these people saying this is a big deal,
Speaker 3: and then he does not face any real consequences for it.
Speaker 1: That's not good for America either. So no, it may
Speaker 1: not be good to have him.
Speaker 3: In prison because of all the implications, the violence, the
Speaker 3: just everything. How we look again, because to your point,
Speaker 3: which I didn't even think about that Mark, that if
Speaker 3: you put him in jail, what stops him from just
Speaker 3: telling everything.
Speaker 1: He knows right and.
Speaker 3: Really putting our country in danger and our agents that
Speaker 3: are around, you know, across the borders and in different
Speaker 3: places around the world. So, I mean, all of those
Speaker 3: things are true, but there's also something to be said
Speaker 3: about the fact that our people and people anybody other
Speaker 3: than the president and rich white men and rich white
Speaker 3: people are held responsible and accountable for their actions tenfold
Speaker 3: sometimes tenfold, and to see him walk free with just
Speaker 3: I think that would also harm the country, our politics
Speaker 3: and everything else. So that's that on that, But I
Speaker 3: don't know if you want to say something about that,
Speaker 3: But I do want you before you go, Mark, tell
Speaker 3: us about what's happening with Jalen Walker matter in Akron, Ohio.
Speaker 2: No, I'm good.
Speaker 4: I want to hear about it because what you said
Speaker 4: is pretty much my sentiments.
Speaker 2: It's just it's a quagmire.
Speaker 4: You know, when you think about Trump, what he represents is,
Speaker 4: you know, he represents lawlessness, and he represents something that
Speaker 4: can put this whole country in jeopardy on either way,
Speaker 4: him being free jeopardized us, and him not being free
Speaker 4: also jeopardized us. And that's why we have to be
Speaker 4: very careful about the people that we put in power.
Speaker 4: You know, you give people a level of power, they
Speaker 4: can abuse it, you know, you know so. And I
Speaker 4: think his actions in the way that he moves shows
Speaker 4: that at some point he realized that he had a
Speaker 4: level of leverage that made it almost impossible for him
Speaker 4: to be held accountable, right because he's like, yo, I'm
Speaker 4: a common person. I'm somebody who's not politically savvy. I
Speaker 4: just have money. I know how to utilize my money.
Speaker 4: Now you give me access to secrets and things that
Speaker 4: can completely.
Speaker 2: Damage this country.
Speaker 4: I have knowledge that I shouldn't know, and they know
Speaker 4: that I have this not so you know, you can't
Speaker 4: make me an enemy, you know, because then at that
Speaker 4: point I could utilize this information to benefit me. So
Speaker 4: it's like he's playing from that point of view.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's very strade.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 6: And last thing I said just on Trump is I
Speaker 6: know I wouldn't want to be caught in between the
Speaker 6: CIA and the Russian FSB.
Speaker 5: I mean, you have, you have a death sentence.
Speaker 6: You're gonna piss off the CIA and the Russian FSB,
Speaker 6: and and sooner or later something's gonna happen to you.
Speaker 5: I mean that's just all.
Speaker 6: This may not having the day of tomorrow, but you
Speaker 6: really those are two people, you, two groups at two
Speaker 6: institutions you don't want to have looking for you. So
Speaker 6: you know that that's it. And so from that point
Speaker 6: of view, and I know, no do others. The more
Speaker 6: people that around him, they don't want to be called
Speaker 6: ininated because their names exposed.
Speaker 5: So folks are heading for the els by a peace man.
Speaker 5: Nice to know you. I'm out.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: So there's that Jalen Walker.
Speaker 6: Uh, folks, grand jury see and this, watch that, and
Speaker 6: I said that earlier. For a reason, you have a
Speaker 6: grandeur in a red state like Florida. See what we
Speaker 6: not what we've yet to see. They saw enough to say,
Speaker 6: indict the former president Donald Trump, who ran in this state.
Speaker 6: In one They found a grand jury to do that.
Speaker 5: That's huge, that's not supposed to happen.
Speaker 6: Grand jury in Akron, Ohio seized the hard evidence of
Speaker 6: a young brother shot at almost one hundred times with
Speaker 6: forty six bullets hit him and decide.
Speaker 5: Not to hold a single officer.
Speaker 6: Who of the eight officers and five the shot everybody
Speaker 6: got off Scott free.
Speaker 5: Had a national margin Akron last month.
Speaker 6: This month, June twenty seventh, we invite people I know
Speaker 6: you both will be there at the Department of Justice
Speaker 6: to the man the Department of Justice initiate a pattern
Speaker 6: and practice investigation into the Akron Police Department and investigate
Speaker 6: the case of Jalen Walker to see what his civil
Speaker 6: rights were in fact violated. So you know, while we
Speaker 6: get some I mean, while people are seeking justice for Trump,
Speaker 6: we still have our lives not mattering. You know, you know,
Speaker 6: you know what I get it to Trump. You know
Speaker 6: what Trump ought to say key'all said, wait a minute, y'all,
Speaker 6: if you can't indict someone where there's video and photos
Speaker 6: of him being shot forty six times, you can let
Speaker 6: them off, why can't you let me off?
Speaker 5: You would almost be justified in saying that, what's the difference?
Speaker 6: They had the evidence, dead to rights on those eight
Speaker 6: officer in Acron did nothing and so obviously to the
Speaker 6: United States and the many of the United States and
Speaker 6: the people on these grand juries, these documents are more valuable.
Speaker 6: But again, why we're talking about agencies where their individuals
Speaker 6: working in their lives in jeopardy, and most of those
Speaker 6: people don't look like us. Now, I'm sure there's some
Speaker 6: agents of color their operatives. When to say, you know,
Speaker 6: black people have jobs in the CIA, Now people color
Speaker 6: have jobs in the CIA, But that's still the institution
Speaker 6: of the empire.
Speaker 5: That's still the institution of the empire. Jalen Walker out
Speaker 5: here on his own, any one of us out here
Speaker 5: on our.
Speaker 6: Own, there's no accountability justice for Jaalen dot us. Check
Speaker 6: your social media. But one point thirty PM a Department
Speaker 6: of Justice. If you're in the DMV, if you want
Speaker 6: to join us, and we're bringing buses from Akron. So
Speaker 6: if you're an Acron, you can jump on the bus,
Speaker 6: Hop on the bus, get on the bus, come to Washington, DC.
Speaker 6: We're gonna be out in front of the DJ making
Speaker 6: some noise for our brother. We have to we have
Speaker 6: to do something to bring this about. Mary Garland didn't
Speaker 6: want to prosecute Donald Trump. That's why he gave it
Speaker 6: to a special council. Wisely, but we got to do
Speaker 6: something about Jalen Walker. You know, let's let's get let's
Speaker 6: hold those officers accountable as well.
Speaker 3: Well, we want to say but before before you do that, Mark,
Speaker 3: tell us about what the people of Akron did.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The legislation that's the past.
Speaker 6: Well Akron, I would hope, And unfortunately this does not
Speaker 6: get the type of coverage it deserves. Akron was Jalen
Speaker 6: Walker was shot June twenty sevens twenty twenty two. So
Speaker 6: that's why we're gathering in Washington D June twenty seven.
Speaker 6: By November of twenty twenty two, the citizens of Akron
Speaker 6: got placed on the ballot an initiative to give to
Speaker 6: establish civilian oversight of the Ariican Police Department.
Speaker 5: So less than six months and folks. That shows the
Speaker 5: power we have.
Speaker 6: In our local communities to bring about change and reform.
Speaker 6: As I've said, I know it sounds like a broken record.
Speaker 6: We will not tweet justice in policing. Police are governed locally,
Speaker 6: so we gotta get IOBO grease together. But you know,
Speaker 6: it's sometimes it's easier to tweet. Sometimes it's not as
Speaker 6: glamorous and we don't have as much time.
Speaker 5: It's too tedious to do local organizing.
Speaker 6: And we get gratified when we put something on Twitter
Speaker 6: on Instagram and it gets thousands of likes, But how
Speaker 6: many of those likes in your local community to bring
Speaker 6: the change in that local space.
Speaker 5: Akron didn't do any of that.
Speaker 6: They got on the ground and Akron focused on Akron
Speaker 6: and got that initiative on the ballot so that the
Speaker 6: civilian overside of the police part if Akron can do it,
Speaker 6: the low Akron is not any news every day. Every
Speaker 6: other city, big or small can do the same thing.
Speaker 6: So I think people really should should focus on that,
Speaker 6: you know, and not give in to the instagratification and
Speaker 6: the comfort of because because the social media is not
Speaker 6: telling you where these lights coming from and what assignment
Speaker 6: are you giving I want in York, I want you
Speaker 6: all to sign this petition. What's about to happen in Atlanta.
Speaker 6: We were down there to stop cop City. Their signature
Speaker 6: is on the ballot to vote to repeal the city
Speaker 6: Council's passage of cop City this November, and they'll probably
Speaker 6: do it. But that's real organizing. That's the discipline that
Speaker 6: it takes. And and look as we look at we're
Speaker 6: upon the sixty the anniversary of Mega Ever's assassination.
Speaker 5: Local organized.
Speaker 6: Mega wasn't shot for being a national organized that's the
Speaker 6: power of local organized. Doctor King Montgomery again, if he
Speaker 6: was around there, what we tell him to do? Oh
Speaker 6: for womer national organization and get your Instagram account. No,
Speaker 6: we gotta do the local organizing when it comes to
Speaker 6: a lot of these issues, especially the police.
Speaker 5: That's what the people in Actin did.
Speaker 2: Well Mark.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a lot because we could go on
Speaker 3: and on with this case. In that case and people
Speaker 3: some people know about cop City because we started informing
Speaker 3: them on our show and started talking about cop City,
Speaker 3: and you know, so some folks know, but some people
Speaker 3: are like what cops, Jaylen Walker, Trump, It's so many
Speaker 3: things that one time it's hard to keep up with,
Speaker 3: but it's good to know that you know, you're out
Speaker 3: there in so many different staces and then able to
Speaker 3: come and articulate you were out while being between working
Speaker 3: with Justin Jones in Tennessee. You were then back in
Speaker 3: New York for Jordan Neely to stand with Jordan, the
Speaker 3: protesters and the organizers around the murder of Jordan Neely,
Speaker 3: which we should talk about that real quick before you go.
Speaker 3: Then you you know, back and forth, and Akron helping
Speaker 3: to manage things there, showed up.
Speaker 1: For the folks at cop City.
Speaker 3: It's something to be said about all of that, because
Speaker 3: it's a lot of work and it takes a lot
Speaker 3: of resources to move around from state to state and
Speaker 3: be there to give some of that wisdom that you
Speaker 3: have to these movements that are being led largely by
Speaker 3: younger organizers, younger organizers and younger activists.
Speaker 1: And I know that everybody.
Speaker 3: That you've been working with appreciates your involvement and the
Speaker 3: knowledge that you have just a wealth of knowledge. I
Speaker 3: know certainly we do it until freedom, and we do personally,
Speaker 3: you know, my son, and so we just want to
Speaker 3: salute you, first of all for what you've been doing
Speaker 3: and how consistent you've been in this movement for a
Speaker 3: very very long time. And and I did want to
Speaker 3: talk about Oh shoot, I forgot what was it?
Speaker 1: What was about?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Did you all see that for Jordan Nearly?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: That that Daniel Perry came out with a statement where
Speaker 3: he sat down with.
Speaker 1: He did a video. Did you see this? It just
Speaker 1: came out yesterday.
Speaker 3: He did a video recording and one of the things
Speaker 3: he says in his video is that he was he
Speaker 3: was his life was threatened, and he had no choice
Speaker 3: but to do what he did because he was protecting
Speaker 3: himself and he was protecting the other people on the train.
Speaker 3: I'm still who else has corroborated the story that his
Speaker 3: life was in danger, because I'm not heard one person
Speaker 3: say that Jordan Nearly touched, lunged at, or did anything
Speaker 3: to anybody. And and maybe I'm wrong about this because
Speaker 3: I know Mark, you know most of the details. Did
Speaker 3: we not hear that that that, uh, Daniel Perry approached
Speaker 3: Jordan Nearly from behind? So how are you threatened if
Speaker 3: you went behind somebody and snuck up on And that's
Speaker 3: what the reporter said.
Speaker 1: The reporter or the journalist.
Speaker 3: The journalist who was there that recorded is said that
Speaker 3: Daniel Perry saw Jordan Neely yelling and screaming and that
Speaker 3: he snuck upon him from behind and grabbed him around
Speaker 3: his neck, which is which based upon what we see
Speaker 3: in the video, that looks about right.
Speaker 6: Well, and you can't you can't put somebody in a
Speaker 6: lock like that unless you are behind them. But but
Speaker 6: here's here's the thing. We've not heard that he was threatened,
Speaker 6: but then we know he was. Why was he threatened?
Speaker 6: Because he was black? And people like Daniel Perry are
Speaker 6: existentially threatened by black people just whatever we're doing, and
Speaker 6: if we're loud, especially we're doing something, or just there's
Speaker 6: something too. People have a fear of homeless people. They
Speaker 6: see homeless people and they feel like homeless people are
Speaker 6: gonna do something to him or and it's it's it's absurd.
Speaker 6: But I doubt that if Jordan Neely was an unhigh
Speaker 6: I was a white person, that he would have done
Speaker 6: it that way or reacted in that way.
Speaker 5: So you know, if I'm the prosecutor, I'm going to
Speaker 5: get into that. What were you, how did he threaten you?
Speaker 5: What were you afraid of?
Speaker 6: And then bring out the inherent racism in his perspective,
Speaker 6: in his lens to get this bs manslaughter charl he
Speaker 6: should be that the charge should be higher, should not
Speaker 6: be manslaughter, because so you got to break down the
Speaker 6: amount of time, you know, and all the witnesses covering
Speaker 6: for him, because there's a there's a moment in time
Speaker 6: when he made a decision to put him in that
Speaker 6: headlock and choke him. Were they in a confrontation. It
Speaker 6: doesn't manslaughter require something accidental. But what gives you the
Speaker 6: right to put another human being in choko? Come on, mi,
Speaker 6: let meet him, go down subway there and put them
Speaker 6: back in choco.
Speaker 1: We can't do that a white man at that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we can't do that.
Speaker 6: Just you're busy to make you business, go put some
Speaker 6: back in choke. Guess it's not what you do. You
Speaker 6: can't just do that and then say manslaughter, which suggests, well,
Speaker 6: you know, it's a little people saying and it was
Speaker 6: an accident. Ain't no accident. If I go down to
Speaker 6: put somebody in a choko and that is a lethal thing, mostly,
Speaker 6: how many people know how to put somebody in.
Speaker 5: Choco and kill him? You have to be taught that.
Speaker 5: I don't say that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Y'all told me right now, go put somebody in choko.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't know how to do it. I see what
Speaker 5: I see on TV, but I you know, I mess
Speaker 5: it up. I don't know.
Speaker 3: So if you are a marine, which means you're a
Speaker 3: part of law enforcement, you know exactly how.
Speaker 5: To do it. That's a military mood. It is a lethal,
Speaker 5: fatal and deadly mood. And he made a decision at
Speaker 5: a point to do that.
Speaker 6: And when he made that decision, that's what why it
Speaker 6: has to be looked at.
Speaker 5: Is it manslaughter is a second degree?
Speaker 6: It could still be first degree because the moment you premeditated,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm gonna kill this person, But when did
Speaker 6: you decide to do that?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 6: Is it an accidental manslaughter kind of piece? If just
Speaker 6: because someone says I'm hungry and I'm tired, okay, and
Speaker 6: then if I kill him, then that's kind of in
Speaker 6: the realm of it, because that's what people do. When
Speaker 6: people say they're hunger and tired, they might get killed.
Speaker 6: So that's common.
Speaker 5: No, it's not.
Speaker 6: You made a decision when he said that that you
Speaker 6: were sick and tired of hearing his vite, his voice.
Speaker 6: You were disgusted by the way he looked and that
Speaker 6: he was black, and you made a decision in your mind,
Speaker 6: you premeditated that went over there and killed him.
Speaker 2: Period sounds like they weren't murder than me.
Speaker 1: But hey, who are we We don't know nothing.
Speaker 5: Right now, we know we are we were.
Speaker 6: The sisters and the brothers. We're black, and we know
Speaker 6: that there's a different it's sickening. There's a different standard
Speaker 6: of justice for us, a different standard of treatment.
Speaker 5: I was just with Merrily Evers. They shot her husband
Speaker 5: down like he was a dog.
Speaker 6: And how many years did it take for that killer
Speaker 6: to be brought to justice, the woman who lied on
Speaker 6: him until.
Speaker 5: I was just in Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker 6: The tell families there she was able to leave here
Speaker 6: and die peacefully without ever being charged for that last
Speaker 6: she told on Emmetel. So we know what this is
Speaker 6: and and that's why you know, who cares about Donald
Speaker 6: Trump as a person. But the question becomes is is
Speaker 6: this is this one opportunity for the justice system to
Speaker 6: actually be fair? Donald Trump gets off, It'll just confirm
Speaker 6: what we've already known that it's not fair, and then
Speaker 6: how many deaths has he caused with his behavior versus
Speaker 6: ones we don't even cause, And then we have to
Speaker 6: answer for ourselves. We help, we're taking a trial, we're convicted,
Speaker 6: we're locked up doing serious hard time. Most of us
Speaker 6: for nonviolent crimes. Haven't put our hands on anybody. Folks
Speaker 6: still serving time for some kind of drug offense or
Speaker 6: something like that. So that's that's the problem with this country.
Speaker 6: That's a double stand. That's why we keep fighting. You know,
Speaker 6: everywhere you listen all places I've been, everywhere I've been,
Speaker 6: y'all being so y'all, don't act like I'm going these
Speaker 6: places by myself.
Speaker 5: We running around y'all.
Speaker 6: But still it's not I say this in closing, if
Speaker 6: if everybody listening to this podcast raise their hand and
Speaker 6: wanted to take an assignment on an issue affecting our people,
Speaker 6: there will still be a million leftover. That's how much
Speaker 6: stuff we face every way, every day, on every level.
Speaker 6: And it's impossible for a couple of us to help everybody.
Speaker 6: That's why if we do stuff right where we are,
Speaker 6: because stuffing some of you listening, stuff going on right
Speaker 6: in your own community. We don't even know about it,
Speaker 6: and the news ain't even covering, but you do, and
Speaker 6: you can organize around it, and then you know, black folks,
Speaker 6: you sing a song in church, right in the corner
Speaker 6: where you are, right in the corner where you are,
Speaker 6: someone far from harbor, you may help across the bar,
Speaker 6: right in the corner where you are, so you can
Speaker 6: make a difference, and when Carl will be there to
Speaker 6: support you. But don't wait on social media, don't wait
Speaker 6: on us. Just organize and get into it, and let's
Speaker 6: get some of our people some more.
Speaker 5: The freedom that we deserve.
Speaker 2: Sounds about right to me.
Speaker 3: Great, Mark, you on it, you on point. Thank you
Speaker 3: very much for joining us today. We needed that update.
Speaker 3: We don't want to just talk. We wanted to have
Speaker 3: somebody on here that know a little bit of something
Speaker 3: about a sun.
Speaker 1: That's thanks Mark, We appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Reverend Thompson, thank you for having me. Blessed to be
Speaker 6: here with you.
Speaker 5: Both. Continue folks to support until freedom.
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Speaker 6: and her husband asked for extra security from the NAACP,
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Speaker 1: All right, Peace, thank you, Mark, Peace King.
Speaker 3: I appreciate whenever we get to have you know, Mark
Speaker 3: on the show, because he really, even though he's an activist,
Speaker 3: he's a thought leader, and I think a lot of
Speaker 3: times people don't necessarily give him credit or maybe they
Speaker 3: just don't know.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like certain people get all the attention
Speaker 3: and whatever. They just say stupid shit all the time
Speaker 3: and stuff you know that don't even matter, and then
Speaker 3: the people who actually are like out there on the
Speaker 3: ground that they get drowned out.
Speaker 1: It's just very weird. We live in weird, weird times.
Speaker 4: We live in trendy times, you know, and that's that's
Speaker 4: what it is. And you just got to acknowledge that.
Speaker 4: And what I realized that hard work and real work,
Speaker 4: substantive work, outlastes everything, you know. It's like it's like
Speaker 4: when you look at certain brands, they just they don't
Speaker 4: go nowhere. I don't give fuck what happens. Polo ain't
Speaker 4: going nowhere. It might not be the hottest thing for
Speaker 4: a day, and it might this and that and other
Speaker 4: brands come up with some new shit that people were in.
Speaker 2: Polo's gonna be there, you know.
Speaker 4: So my thing is to just be Polo and be
Speaker 4: consistent and be you know, and have a brand that
Speaker 4: everybody knows that this is what you get with me.
Speaker 2: In consistency.
Speaker 1: I like that, Just be Polo, hey.
Speaker 3: I mean I wouldn't necessarily use Polo out in the world.
Speaker 1: It's like I would probably say something like just the.
Speaker 3: Time, you know, or just be because Polo probably has
Speaker 3: a history of racism to.
Speaker 1: Who the hell knows. I mean, the point is so
Speaker 1: well taken.
Speaker 3: The point is so well taken because you know that
Speaker 3: Mark would be polo, right, like somebody that's been out
Speaker 3: here consistently for a long time, that has a lot
Speaker 3: of knowledge and and and he's the strategist, you know.
Speaker 2: So all those fails, you're like, well, who can we
Speaker 2: get this?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 2: Well, I know, Mark nos It's like you're saying.
Speaker 4: I'm going somewhere if they I need to find an outfit,
Speaker 4: I can't. Well if I put on a good polo,
Speaker 4: you know, rugby, I ain't gonna lose. They ain't gonna
Speaker 4: say nothing wrong. Give me a good color to match
Speaker 4: polo Rugby.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: Get laughed at you.
Speaker 2: I gonna get laughed. There ain't nobody was going but
Speaker 2: you got polo. You know. It ain't much you can say.
Speaker 2: And then what happens is every now and.
Speaker 4: Then they get into the season where they trendy, where
Speaker 4: they where they you know, they come up with something
Speaker 4: that's even hot.
Speaker 2: So you never lose a polo. The only thing you
Speaker 2: can do is win to struggle that.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to help. We took a turn
Speaker 1: to Mark and Polo.
Speaker 4: But speaking of a short thing, no, I don't know
Speaker 4: if you had the opportunity to see the fight last night,
Speaker 4: and it was I.
Speaker 1: Don't know nothing about the There was a fight after
Speaker 1: the fight, but.
Speaker 3: I don't know about I didn't know nothing about a
Speaker 3: fight was happening until after the fight.
Speaker 2: There was so much going on, you know, there was
Speaker 2: so my other don't get it. It's so layered.
Speaker 4: There was a fight between Floyd Mayweather Junior and John
Speaker 4: Gotti the Third.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, whoy's junior.
Speaker 2: Floyd Mayweather Junior from Floyd Mayweather is junior? He is
Speaker 2: a junior. That's who he is.
Speaker 1: Oh right, because his father his mother.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine, because I was about to say, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, so you're telling me that because I thought.
Speaker 1: I was all the way off. If you're.
Speaker 4: Floyd Floyd regular, Floyd, Lloyd Champ, Grand Champ. That's why
Speaker 4: I said, you know, it's a sure thing. You know,
Speaker 4: Floyd gonna win. So you know, the regular Champ was
Speaker 4: fighting against John Gotti the third.
Speaker 2: Who is John.
Speaker 1: Gotti's real John Gotti?
Speaker 3: Because I thought it was like a nickname, No, herd gotty, No, it's.
Speaker 4: John Gotti's son, his real one, the third. There was
Speaker 4: this match that it really heated up around the next
Speaker 4: last couple of days. You know, they've been scheduling, but
Speaker 4: I didn't really see the promotion for it into the
Speaker 4: last few days. You know, it was in Miami. You know,
Speaker 4: Floyd was doing all type of workouts at the Fountain Blue.
Speaker 4: We had all type of events at the Fountain Blue.
Speaker 4: They had the face over at the fountains with all
Speaker 4: types of things. So it was a Miami event. And
Speaker 4: then it just started picking up and I started saying,
Speaker 4: all right, so Floyd fight, let me, let me tune
Speaker 4: into it. So I'm you know, I'm laying here after
Speaker 4: a long day, and so the first thing I don't
Speaker 4: get right was for the It was the bout was
Speaker 4: scheduled for eight rounds, but they stopped it at six rounds. Now,
Speaker 4: for these six rounds, John Gotti the third did not fight.
Speaker 4: He probably do one or two punches. Floyd was just
Speaker 4: pretty much treating him.
Speaker 2: Like a punch event. It was like an exids. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what is he doing? Is he in there of the fight?
Speaker 4: So what I don't get is so there was after
Speaker 4: he was getting beat up every round, he started grabbing Floyd.
Speaker 4: Floyd was talking to him, just talking to him because
Speaker 4: he probably was trying to bait him to fight, like
Speaker 4: fight I'm just you just target practice. At this point,
Speaker 4: you throwing probably one of two punches around. After the
Speaker 4: referee told him, hey, it's too much talking and it's
Speaker 4: too much holding. It happens again. I'm gonna end the fight.
Speaker 4: So right after that, probably two minutes later, that happened again.
Speaker 4: He ends the fight. At that point, John Gotty third
Speaker 4: starts going crazy. He starts throwing a bunch of punches.
Speaker 4: Now you ain't doing nothing. You didn't have this energy
Speaker 4: the whole fight. The whole fight, you sitting there just
Speaker 4: getting punched in the face and blocking. Now when the
Speaker 4: fight is over, you you turn into an incredible hulk.
Speaker 4: You want to start throwing punch and then you still
Speaker 4: get punched across the ring. I don't get why you
Speaker 4: had this energy after the fight was over, but you
Speaker 4: didn't have that energy during the fight. It's like if
Speaker 4: you would have had that energy during the fight, you
Speaker 4: probably more than like that. You would have still got
Speaker 4: beat up, but it would have been a fight at
Speaker 4: least would have looked like you was staying out there.
Speaker 2: You now you rageingr well.
Speaker 4: So everybody comes on the stage, it's a it's mayhem,
Speaker 4: is a melee. You know he's they back him into
Speaker 4: the corner because now he doesne swung on Floyd. Now
Speaker 4: everybody from Floyd's kid, like you see they all on
Speaker 4: the stage. Dudes, I know people, we know they just
Speaker 4: running on the stage like big dudes coming. They got
Speaker 4: them back into a corner. So at some point the
Speaker 4: guy gets up the stage.
Speaker 1: It turns it to the people.
Speaker 2: Yep, the whole TMT team.
Speaker 3: And that was because at some point, non boxing match related,
Speaker 3: the gotty child, I mean, excuse me, the gotty dude
Speaker 3: tried to attack Floyd like on a different he.
Speaker 4: Just ran because standing he just running, charging him, going
Speaker 4: crazy at that point. So now they're like, no, this
Speaker 4: ain't boxing no more. This match is over you You're
Speaker 4: taking this somewhere else. So now you know, people running
Speaker 4: on the running on the stage, you know, to get
Speaker 4: involved at that point. For by the good thirty minutes, don't.
Speaker 1: Have the police or the security.
Speaker 4: As security was not it was nothing they could do.
Speaker 4: It was out of control. Like I'm telling you, it's
Speaker 4: complete mayhem. So I'm watching this on TV for thirty
Speaker 4: minutes straight.
Speaker 1: No huh, it was on the television.
Speaker 2: Camera did not turn off.
Speaker 4: They showed everybody that you see people on the sideline,
Speaker 4: you see it just was you can hear people. You
Speaker 4: could tell that there was a lot going on, not
Speaker 4: just on the stage. And then his train up was
Speaker 4: getting into it with other people, so that turned into
Speaker 4: a thing back and forth with them.
Speaker 2: So my I don't know.
Speaker 4: So then it gets backstage and someone that I didn't know,
Speaker 4: allegedly it.
Speaker 2: Was Joscelyn Hernandez.
Speaker 4: I just see this woman whooping everybody's ass, like I mean,
Speaker 4: she throwing blows, she wrestling, she kicking then and broke
Speaker 4: her up four or five times.
Speaker 2: She still So what.
Speaker 4: I want to do is I want to I want
Speaker 4: to give a lot of props to a lot of
Speaker 4: the men that were there because I watched her.
Speaker 2: It's this one dude. I hope we showed the cliff.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find it.
Speaker 4: But it was this one white man, I think he
Speaker 4: was a security guard. And she slapped this man four
Speaker 4: times in his face clean and he didn't lift in
Speaker 4: hand to harm her. He didn't retaliate, he didn't block,
Speaker 4: he took the thing and and and just shielded up
Speaker 4: from going where she was trying to go smack this.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I hear she put it.
Speaker 4: I heard she went in jail, so that what happened.
Speaker 4: So after the big main label Joscelyn whatever that goes on.
Speaker 4: So my second I don't.
Speaker 2: Get it right.
Speaker 1: You can't have like three out of it.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to tell you it's layer, this layer, because
Speaker 4: it's too much. Today, I wake up and who I
Speaker 4: believe to be is jong Gott his daughter or granddaughter?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't confirm, nor than.
Speaker 1: I his daughter.
Speaker 2: She threatens Floyd's daughter.
Speaker 4: Right, not only does she threatened Floyd's daughter, who has
Speaker 4: nothing to do with none of this event.
Speaker 2: He was at the November She wasn't on those stage.
Speaker 2: She had her son, She literally had her baby.
Speaker 4: Floyd came out with his grandson, the first time people
Speaker 4: actually had a picture of physically seeing his grandson. He
Speaker 4: came out, walked to the stage with his grandson. So
Speaker 4: his daughter is deal with a grandson. This lady decides
Speaker 4: to go on to social media threatened their daughter, calling
Speaker 4: them zoo animals. And I'm trying to figure out what
Speaker 4: did Dad have to do with anything? You know, like
Speaker 4: we did this this underlying racism of you know, the
Speaker 4: zoo animals she had a baby with an animal, and
Speaker 4: they all zoo animals, and you know, and and it
Speaker 4: was really sad because now it turns into something else.
Speaker 4: You know that that those were two people who got
Speaker 4: to a situation. There were two camps, this and that.
Speaker 4: Now you you got this racially motivated because I see
Speaker 4: a bunch of black people like, yo, this ain't going
Speaker 4: down like that. Like I don't get for I don't
Speaker 4: know what the fuck you calling zoo animals and this
Speaker 4: and that, and now it turns into a racial thing
Speaker 4: that didn't have, So I don't want to get. I
Speaker 4: don't get what she thought she was doing with that.
Speaker 4: I don't even get how you thought you was even
Speaker 4: getting involved with that girl. She'd had nothing to.
Speaker 2: Do with it.
Speaker 3: I thought that what would you know what was said
Speaker 3: on behind the scenes. But regardless, I thought that one
Speaker 3: Gotty was a nickname. No, I don't even know that
Speaker 3: the Gotti family still was doing anything. So this, you know,
Speaker 3: I I recognize that eyes Mika Mallory am not in
Speaker 3: the I don't even know what's going on, So I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 1: But that's what I thought.
Speaker 3: So that's first second of all, I thought that these
Speaker 3: people were which still would have been bad.
Speaker 1: But I thought they were like LATINX.
Speaker 3: Folks, Latinos who were using the Gotti as like you know,
Speaker 3: I'm giant Gotti, like you know, I'm a killer like
Speaker 3: type of things.
Speaker 1: So the fine.
Speaker 3: So then I so I asked the question on shape
Speaker 3: room because I really seriously wanted to know is the
Speaker 3: woman white?
Speaker 1: Because I see the woman, she looks like she's white.
Speaker 3: But I, of course we know a lot of Latinos
Speaker 3: that they look they can pass their white passing. So
Speaker 3: I asked the question, and within seconds there are hundreds
Speaker 3: of people like, yes, that she is white as snow
Speaker 3: and Italian and this is, you know, really a John
Speaker 3: Gotti family member. And I'm like, oh, this is really
Speaker 3: like not okay, Like you can't just call people zoo animals.
Speaker 1: That shit is bad.
Speaker 2: You can't call black people.
Speaker 1: When did they take this? She take it down?
Speaker 2: Or you don't know, I have no idea, haven't you know,
Speaker 2: I haven't been.
Speaker 1: I just seen you wouldn't know how to find her.
Speaker 2: Try.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just it's it's unfortunate, man, you know,
Speaker 4: for the you know, shout out to Floyd for he
Speaker 4: went out there and and and showed why he's, you know,
Speaker 4: arguably the greatest boxer ever lived. He went out there
Speaker 4: and treated this man like what he was.
Speaker 1: He was like, did you think you were gonna win
Speaker 1: the fight?
Speaker 2: But the thing is not even I just think I
Speaker 2: would think that you're gonna fight.
Speaker 1: Else happened, Something else happened you. It's gonna come out,
Speaker 1: I promise you.
Speaker 3: Is there some more details here that have been left
Speaker 3: out of the public distance if.
Speaker 2: That was left out? Is this right, Floyd? I think
Speaker 2: what happens is this Floyd is tired.
Speaker 4: He thinks that it's really sad that and the guys
Speaker 4: at MM a fighter you know, the second boxing match,
Speaker 4: and you know, he feels like people disrespect the sport
Speaker 4: of boxes.
Speaker 2: You know, you got these YouTube boxes.
Speaker 4: You got people that just think they're gonna come from
Speaker 4: MMA and they gonna fight him and get in the ring.
Speaker 4: And if I can make fifty to sixty million to
Speaker 4: beat you up and the MUNI humiliate you, then I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do it.
Speaker 2: And i'ma and I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 4: While I do it, I'm gonna show you the skill
Speaker 4: set that it takes to be where I'm at. And
Speaker 4: I and I'm gonna beat you up and embarrass you
Speaker 4: for even wanting to challenge me. But thinking that you
Speaker 4: in the realm that you could get on live TV
Speaker 4: and challenge somebody like me who has established something, it's
Speaker 4: actually disrespectful, you know what I'm saying. I think that's
Speaker 4: I think that's the mind frame that look Floyd is
Speaker 4: coming from at this point or you So, y'all, y'all
Speaker 4: got enough money, y'all gonna scream got e gotty, you know,
Speaker 4: And he kept parting, he kept you know, he was
Speaker 4: helding him going gott ee gotty every round.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, scream gotty because it's like, what the fuck you?
Speaker 4: I think y'all think I became the best I've been
Speaker 4: fighting my whole life since I was ten and eleven years old.
Speaker 4: To let a nigga that just decide he gonna wake
Speaker 4: up tomorrow come here and beat me, Like, why would
Speaker 4: you even think that?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: And I think that it's disrespectful to him. So that's
Speaker 2: what that's.
Speaker 1: What is the Boxing Commission called the Boxing Commission.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is a this is not even part
Speaker 4: of sanctus. These are what you call exhibitions.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody is over the exhibitions.
Speaker 4: And the exhibition but it doesn't it doesn't count and
Speaker 4: just you know the ranking of the real boxing commissions.
Speaker 4: So there are certain elements that don't that you know,
Speaker 4: you don't have to adhere to to you know, to
Speaker 4: be involved in these.
Speaker 3: Where's the ball out going to come from? Like who
Speaker 3: has to respond to is.
Speaker 2: The people who the Zeus network? Like I heard that
Speaker 2: there's network.
Speaker 3: I'm the same people that carrying that carry uh blue
Speaker 3: face and.
Speaker 2: They performing opening up him?
Speaker 1: Who's that network?
Speaker 2: Why they got to do better?
Speaker 4: And the thing is this we like for me, it's
Speaker 4: just like you blame them, no, but you it's not
Speaker 4: so much that you can't blame them.
Speaker 2: I think what happens is this.
Speaker 4: When you utilize and you try to profit off the
Speaker 4: least in the bottom of the culture, right when you
Speaker 4: don't give a fuck understand that where Kashan in blue
Speaker 4: Face all right now, Like that's not some.
Speaker 2: Shit that you even should want to explod.
Speaker 4: So the fact that you put them on the same
Speaker 4: stage as the same like you're looking for some level
Speaker 4: of controversies. You know, people are tuning in because they like, oh,
Speaker 4: I know they don't even fuck with each other. They've
Speaker 4: been back and forth. He's been disrespecting her this and that.
Speaker 4: Maybe the baby mama is there, maybe the terms of
Speaker 4: you you you're hoping that there's a level of some
Speaker 4: type of controversy that's to pay attention, because yeah, you're
Speaker 4: looking for that energy.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So just like when you bring Jocelyn, when you Jocelyn
Speaker 4: has been banned from every TV show they got, just
Speaker 4: think about it. She's been banned from every love and
Speaker 4: hip hop band to the other show that she just had,
Speaker 4: They Got, the Other Fight, the College Here They Band.
Speaker 4: She's been banned from networks, whole networks. Is like, nah,
Speaker 4: we're not fucking at all. And you decide that you're
Speaker 4: gonna say, you know what, that's exactly what you want.
Speaker 4: We want the person that's so uncontrollable that that people
Speaker 4: want to see it. And that means that you don't
Speaker 4: have really any standards. So now when she goes there
Speaker 4: and she acts like motherfucking Rambo and she's beating up
Speaker 4: everybody and jumping around, now they gonna sue her, and
Speaker 4: they gonna sue you nice.
Speaker 3: And what I will tell you what my final word is,
Speaker 3: they put her ass in jail.
Speaker 1: Today in jail. Last night, monkey all you want, but
Speaker 1: your ass is going to jail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna put her in jail. Man, So you know,
Speaker 4: you know, once again, shout out to Floyd. And you know,
Speaker 4: I just think that we as a people there.
Speaker 1: Ain't got our.
Speaker 2: Friend.
Speaker 4: But he with tm T, Yeah was there. Man, shout
Speaker 4: out to bad is another one. Good brother, you know
Speaker 4: he was. He was respectful, you know, you know, I
Speaker 4: see and made sure he didn't get into no melee.
Speaker 2: You know he could have.
Speaker 1: But that's this is a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. Man.
Speaker 4: Shout out to my man p T. I see, I
Speaker 4: see all of you know, Floyd's people there.
Speaker 1: But right mm hmm, this is I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I am like hmm.
Speaker 3: I woke up and started scrolling and the shade room
Speaker 3: had a whole bunch of you know, they be ready
Speaker 3: to put anything bad that happened.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what this coach box telling you all
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 4: Culture cannot wait to expose the bottom of the ship
Speaker 4: that we dealing with, man, and unfortunately that's what we are. Man.
Speaker 4: And with that we come to the end of another episode.
Speaker 4: Shout out the good Reverend Doctor Mark Thompson for his
Speaker 4: expertise and everything. You know, we call him all for
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Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: Once again, I'm not gonna always be right to make
Speaker 4: it d marriages and I can always be wrong, but
Speaker 4: we both always and I mean always, always always be authentic.
Speaker 1: Ease.
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Speaker 2: That's how we owned