Speaker 1: Well, take valachi. We are the authority on all things
Speaker 1: R and Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on? My name
Speaker 1: is Tank and this the R and B money pod. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the authority, my my my on all things, all things
Speaker 1: R and B. Let me tell you something. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Our compella is fine, A compella is okay,
Speaker 1: it's cool. You know what I'm saying. You're standing alone?
Speaker 1: Do you think flat foot? And you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: a little microphone, no microphone? Do I get it? There's
Speaker 1: something about that accompaniment, something about when that accompaniment is pristine,
Speaker 1: when it's when it's right, when it when it's custom.
Speaker 1: Huh but pristine, no accompaniment A couple of it. Nope,
Speaker 1: to see. I think when it's Taylor made got to
Speaker 1: be right to the to the song and to the
Speaker 1: the range. But then to the artist is Taylor Mane
Speaker 1: and did. I don't want to do no introduction. I
Speaker 1: just want to get straight to the man himself, Mr
Speaker 1: Adam Blackstone. Yeah, you want to sound you want sound good,
Speaker 1: sound good, you want to tap in with B B.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: Come on now, this this was this is when I
Speaker 1: knew or yeah, I mean you you've always been special,
Speaker 1: but when this is when I knew you were special?
Speaker 1: Special man, when I came, when I came to the
Speaker 1: j T concert, and come on, do the initials over here, man,
Speaker 1: everybody who I'm sorry when I came to the Justin Timberlake,
Speaker 1: HU give you your flowers? No, I'm getting you your flower.
Speaker 1: We gotta say, if you're right, you're right, you ain't
Speaker 1: wrong when I came to the Justin timber Lake concert,
Speaker 1: because you were empting overseeing, uh, the entire musical dichotomy,
Speaker 1: and and I felt like you gave, you gave justin
Speaker 1: the moment that he had probably been searching for for
Speaker 1: a long time. It's interesting, man. His music speaks to
Speaker 1: all of us and always has. I think it was
Speaker 1: something about the different swag that I was able to
Speaker 1: bring from church, from soul music and then just being
Speaker 1: a hip hop head. But he's the thing, he's he's
Speaker 1: a soul singer for sure, right, he got he gets
Speaker 1: his pop off, he does. But he's so when you
Speaker 1: went to when y'all went to drink you away, I
Speaker 1: can't drink you away, right, that's right, young fella, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. To take it to that
Speaker 1: four car. Let me tell you something. When you went
Speaker 1: to that place and he got to getting to it
Speaker 1: his bad, I felt like he wanted to shout, yeah
Speaker 1: he got his Memphis. I felt like he went Baptistecostal.
Speaker 1: He wanted to shout. I said, oh my god, man,
Speaker 1: we um. That was one of them ones where he
Speaker 1: played that record for me and I just heard tim beatbox.
Speaker 1: It's it's country by nature for sure. Originally. However, however,
Speaker 1: you throw a B three on that, it can take
Speaker 1: you to a whole another place. Um. And so yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we we took it there. And and what I love
Speaker 1: about him specifically is he embraces that side of who
Speaker 1: he has around him. You know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: can say it's culture, you know whatever we want to say, Um,
Speaker 1: that he might not have experience the way we have experienced.
Speaker 1: And when I bring it to him and feels fresh,
Speaker 1: it feels new for his listener, even it feels fresh
Speaker 1: and feels new, you know what I'm saying. So I'm
Speaker 1: ain'tful to him. Man, He already know we actually you know,
Speaker 1: not to put the time stamp on it, but he
Speaker 1: showed up at my last um sun Rose event, and
Speaker 1: like just the fact that he embraces the culture and
Speaker 1: like you know, gives gives us soul musicians, R and
Speaker 1: B musicians, R and B singers, the flowers and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we appreciate you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I lie for sure, sure, for sure that big just
Speaker 1: like he's one of the ones, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's so many others out there too, but him specifically, man,
Speaker 1: he loves to embrace that. So I'm thankful for because
Speaker 1: he let me be me. Yeah I was. I was.
Speaker 1: I think I think I came to like six or sex.
Speaker 1: I was hanging out. Yeah, yeah, I don't know anybody,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, all of his humbleness when
Speaker 1: he finds something that he rocked with, Yeah, like where
Speaker 1: are you going? Yeah you know, Tony, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Bro? You know i'd say something, say
Speaker 1: something real candid too. The homie keeps around that upper
Speaker 1: echel line, so it pushes him too. So that's a
Speaker 1: testament to who you are to R and B. A
Speaker 1: testament to who you are to him as well, because
Speaker 1: it's like iron sharpens talk yeah, I was looking at
Speaker 1: the best show like he's like, you gotta see it? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was special. I'm not a concert guy, yeah,
Speaker 1: but this was an experience. I can't. I can't, but
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just not. I'm not the guy that's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of concerts. It's just never been my
Speaker 1: thing because I think for me, I like to hear
Speaker 1: it the way it was on the album. So sometimes
Speaker 1: if they can't, if they don't recreate that for me, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get mad. Come to it. Adam Blackstone the third person.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. I pride myself on making
Speaker 1: that live experience is better than the album, and that's
Speaker 1: hard to do. I'm not at all saying that. That's
Speaker 1: just what I do, and it's that no, no, no,
Speaker 1: especially because those ten thousand and twelve thousand thousand people
Speaker 1: in there are there because they like the record. If
Speaker 1: I can give somebody a moment to hear when we
Speaker 1: or slow in a different way where they're like, that
Speaker 1: makes me want to go and listen to the record
Speaker 1: even more. That's what that's that's that's that's what I
Speaker 1: pride myself on. So it's a fine line people what
Speaker 1: they're absolutely familiar with and then got to take them
Speaker 1: on the ride because there's the thing I like to
Speaker 1: tap into two and we can talk about this crazy,
Speaker 1: But where was your mindset as an artist making this record,
Speaker 1: because a lot of talented singers and musicians and producers
Speaker 1: specifically have to bring themselves back to make a record
Speaker 1: that's audible for the listener where it's not too too crazy.
Speaker 1: But you might want to go there, you know, I
Speaker 1: see you sitting you know when we I was just saying,
Speaker 1: saying at the piano in the house and all that,
Speaker 1: It's like, you can go there. But when you just
Speaker 1: laying it for an eight bar phrase, we gotta kind
Speaker 1: of think about what it is. So my opinion, whether
Speaker 1: it's me tapping in with Janet, me tapping in with re,
Speaker 1: me tapping in with Drake, it's like, like, where would
Speaker 1: you when you're making the record in your hands full champagne? Wow,
Speaker 1: he's because it wasn't. I didn't do that ONCT was
Speaker 1: actually really nicknames chad At not the whole name. Not
Speaker 1: if you're nasty, not bro. Let's you know, let's go
Speaker 1: back to the beginning. Yes, let's go back to where
Speaker 1: all of this started absolutely you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Born in Jersey. Yeah, my player partner from tring to
Speaker 1: man Dante Jones's let me tell you how much, Um
Speaker 1: we just was talking about him, man, new Jersey basketball legend.
Speaker 1: Straight up, they're gonna say all that on here because
Speaker 1: then they're gonna be seeing fun. He got the championship.
Speaker 1: That shout out to my guy brought me the championship. Bocha.
Speaker 1: It's a little more personal though, because this is one
Speaker 1: of my best friends in the world where literally but
Speaker 1: his championship came against my hometown Golden State. Boy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and he played a part. He played a major. They
Speaker 1: put his ass in the game and he started doing
Speaker 1: dirty ship and sucking people up and I'm cussing at
Speaker 1: the TV sitting rightdom smiling. Yeah he that so he
Speaker 1: knew Jersey now it Jersey basketball and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: see the Clippers at night, like you might need to
Speaker 1: make that call from me right here coaching. Yeah, um, alright, cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so born in Jersey, my family, my my father,
Speaker 1: church organists, and what you would deem now today as
Speaker 1: like a one man band, like um wedding band. Guy,
Speaker 1: we didn't call it that, you know, back in the
Speaker 1: eighties nineties, but like you know, as I look back
Speaker 1: and even talk about it a lot, he wasn't the
Speaker 1: first musical director that I've seen, because when you in
Speaker 1: that in that wedding band scene, you hit one hundred
Speaker 1: vpms and you just you electric slide, you chat your slide,
Speaker 1: you you doing all the songs that just you know,
Speaker 1: get the people going. So it's like I saw him
Speaker 1: curate setlists like in his head all the time and
Speaker 1: just moving based off of what the people were doing.
Speaker 1: Um as at an early early age. When I moved
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia in thousand for college, that changed my life
Speaker 1: culturally because I had never seen, um the impact of
Speaker 1: soul music in the culture of a city, Like a
Speaker 1: song means so much to a surrounding area and then
Speaker 1: in turn the song whoever sang that song, those people
Speaker 1: are held to a higher echelon in that area too.
Speaker 1: So UM met the roots crew in Philly and then
Speaker 1: you know, my life, how do you run into the roots? Well? No,
Speaker 1: so I was the guy, you know, just playing everywhere, clubs, sessions,
Speaker 1: jazz club I was doing everything. I was in college too,
Speaker 1: So I was like you know, who's gonna give me
Speaker 1: thirty five dollars? Who don't give me the fifty dollars,
Speaker 1: we'll talk. I'm pulling up church, different churches, all of that,
Speaker 1: and so ran into what were you making a church?
Speaker 1: We know because we talked about with Tank made the church.
Speaker 1: We're still trying to figure out what's Tank being. It
Speaker 1: depends if I played with my dad, I made Daddy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I played just take this. So what was your
Speaker 1: main instrument in church? Was drums to drums? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: we don't have a bass player, you know, like that
Speaker 1: that was if you had a bass player, Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: it was Oregon piano drums. That's it. If you're left
Speaker 1: foot or that's a flaw. Oh yeah. And if you
Speaker 1: went to a church with a base player and a
Speaker 1: guitar player, that you're a mega church. Yeah, you're you're
Speaker 1: a mega church. You got over eleven hundred members, you
Speaker 1: got two services. Yeah. So, um, I played drums at
Speaker 1: church all my life. You know, my uncle played drums
Speaker 1: at a different church. And then all my you know,
Speaker 1: role music role models in Jersey played drums. And so
Speaker 1: just to take us step back when we moved to
Speaker 1: a different town. Older white gentleman band director at my
Speaker 1: school said, listen, candidly, he said, all the black kids
Speaker 1: want to play drums. I know your family. We have
Speaker 1: a void in the school for a bass player for sure.
Speaker 1: Second grade, Mr Matt Lack, you can't say that in
Speaker 1: this day. He can't say that, he said, all the kids.
Speaker 1: But I knew what he meant. Like I went to
Speaker 1: you know, urban, I was in a primarily permanent No,
Speaker 1: I was in a black community. So all the kids
Speaker 1: want to play drums. He's right, I know your family.
Speaker 1: I heard about y'all. You know your dad's a musician.
Speaker 1: We don't have a bass player. And I was like, hell, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not caring this. We used to walk to school.
Speaker 1: You'll remember that. Remember that we used to walk to school.
Speaker 1: So he had me this instrument that long right there
Speaker 1: in the case. I said, I'm not walking to school
Speaker 1: with that. I want the sticks. I'm bringing my sticks.
Speaker 1: Best decision I ever made second second grade, never forget,
Speaker 1: and started playing a little stand by me Doo doo doo, doom,
Speaker 1: doom doom, Like learning now, okay, then I'm learning you know, bills, bills, bills,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know beat me nine one one in
Speaker 1: the second grade. This kind of in the second grade.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, you know what I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 1: um um. And then as we you know, that's a
Speaker 1: that spanned some years. But I was like, okay, I
Speaker 1: can get into this. And it made me different. It
Speaker 1: did like everybody wanted to do that thing on the
Speaker 1: drums or that thing on whatever, you know, to be
Speaker 1: the only guy playing bass. I took pride in that,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to be great, and
Speaker 1: you know, that set my journey off to go to
Speaker 1: University the Arts in Philadelphia, and I moved to the
Speaker 1: Philly in two thousand, was doing all the gigs around town,
Speaker 1: a base, any and everything you play upright, So at
Speaker 1: that time, now I'm playing both. Because I also realized
Speaker 1: when I saw the bass players as I got older
Speaker 1: at church, a lot of them didn't read music and
Speaker 1: I didn't have the skill set as good as them
Speaker 1: at that moment, So how could I differentiate myself? So
Speaker 1: I really started like really honing in on the ink
Speaker 1: and like really reading. Yeah, so that that's I'm going
Speaker 1: to say, ironically enough, it's fifty fifty now my gigs
Speaker 1: today because that's why I'm able to do movie scores,
Speaker 1: That's why I'm able to write the charts out for
Speaker 1: Soul Train Awards, Horns players or I'm doing that. I
Speaker 1: just did the Oscars. I had to score for sixty
Speaker 1: piece orchestra, like I wouldn't be able to do that
Speaker 1: without learning how to read music at all. This whole
Speaker 1: episode is going to be flawed. No, this is Fowers
Speaker 1: except the musicians. First. You have to accept except except
Speaker 1: ship Come on, I wanted out to be at to
Speaker 1: read music. I can't, But you want to encourage every
Speaker 1: musician out there is never too late. Yea. It sets us,
Speaker 1: it sets us apart from the ceiling that you have.
Speaker 1: That's all. Not that you're gonna play any better or
Speaker 1: but there's more, but it's just more that I watch.
Speaker 1: I would watch um, I would watch Tim Carmen, Yes,
Speaker 1: Tim Carmen. I will watch Tim Carmen coming. And he's
Speaker 1: he's a he's a rare one because you know, with
Speaker 1: piano it's tough to be to be gifted and studied
Speaker 1: and be able to live in both worlds. Like he's
Speaker 1: very much. He can very much do Eric Clapton and
Speaker 1: then go to evangelistic Church of the Children and Easy Easy,
Speaker 1: and everybody in both areas be like, oh my, and
Speaker 1: then and then go play with Kendrick or Future or
Speaker 1: what yeah, and and and what made me really? I mean,
Speaker 1: I've known him from the house, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But when we were doing that dream Girl soundtrack, he
Speaker 1: would just they would just throw that sheet in front
Speaker 1: of it and he would just get active, and I'm
Speaker 1: like and so that was a big part of my
Speaker 1: evolution as a college bass player because I was playing jazz,
Speaker 1: got a jazz scholarship. But then my walking baseline felt
Speaker 1: like I was playing shot with music. So they was like,
Speaker 1: what is that? Ain't really what we normally used to
Speaker 1: but he moving in and out them changes like something
Speaker 1: is different to me, that was normal. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: completely honest, not to like from learning from your father,
Speaker 1: learning from my learning from the culture. So it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see B flat major seven, I know what those
Speaker 1: notes are, and i know I'm going to G and
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, then I'm gonna go to the flat.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's all that is. Victory is mine.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's somebody playing a head over a
Speaker 1: jazz head over top of it. I'm like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna move in and out of it's different, and they're
Speaker 1: like yo. Like so then that propelled me within the
Speaker 1: structure of my school, like he just played different, like
Speaker 1: it's right, but it's like it ain't nothing we really
Speaker 1: heard specifically from an adolescent, not that bass players weren't
Speaker 1: doing that, but at my age and where I was
Speaker 1: at school. Um So, reading music has helped me do
Speaker 1: continuously today, help me do so so much. I'm able
Speaker 1: to juggle three, four or five gigs because I can
Speaker 1: write it down and then forget it and forget it
Speaker 1: and forget it and get right back to it, forget it.
Speaker 1: I don't have to internalize when you're learning a something
Speaker 1: on it takes a different type of brain power to
Speaker 1: be like, when I play it again, I have to
Speaker 1: remember what I just did. When that ink is on
Speaker 1: the paper and it's telling you see to f It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I know how to muscle memory, read through them changes,
Speaker 1: and then boom, Thank Jay Valentine's segment is over. I
Speaker 1: gotta get to this Mars Day segment. Boo and me
Speaker 1: turn the page. You know what I'm saying, okay, Bloom,
Speaker 1: Morris Day is over, Boom, let me go do so
Speaker 1: you so you wrote out slow for sure, string parts
Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, I mean, you know, like for the
Speaker 1: you know when Nearly came and did the John and
Speaker 1: it's like, we're gonna embellish and all of that. I
Speaker 1: gotta write it for the band. When you send me
Speaker 1: the arrangement, you know what I mean, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is what it is. This is how we embellish it.
Speaker 1: Put the horns on top of it, all that. It's
Speaker 1: it's because we're moving so fast. You know, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you approve of this? Cool? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know what I mean, we got to
Speaker 1: I would to see the music should four four times
Speaker 1: and put it up on something because right because bro,
Speaker 1: conversation around all of that, y'all smashed. It's nuts. Thank
Speaker 1: y'all smash some Some of my favorite, you know, R
Speaker 1: and B moments have been we had some good your
Speaker 1: your your win, we win. It's still it's still in show,
Speaker 1: still in show. Yeah, that's one of the ones I
Speaker 1: don't want to have to do. Yeah, you want to life.
Speaker 1: You come to my show right now and you will hear,
Speaker 1: you will hear your job. Yeah, you gotta do that
Speaker 1: for the shout out. Shout out Terence Vaughan even on
Speaker 1: your program Man just crazy even. I think the Cornish
Speaker 1: helped with with with um slow oh yeah yeah and
Speaker 1: shout out going to call on on the string arrange
Speaker 1: as well. But as we bring it together that I
Speaker 1: had to trust you on that because Tank sent it
Speaker 1: to me because like I said, I'm very much the
Speaker 1: album guy, but very much let me be transparent. We
Speaker 1: wasn't about sketch five before we liked where because I
Speaker 1: had to because because it was like I was like,
Speaker 1: we need the song for sure, but in these moments,
Speaker 1: but it just needs moments, right and it needs something
Speaker 1: over top floating over top of it to make it,
Speaker 1: to make it the experience that you know, no one's
Speaker 1: ever no one's ever had before with the song. But
Speaker 1: then we got to get to a place like so
Speaker 1: when those last eight bars like called I hit I
Speaker 1: want this and I played that this is what I want.
Speaker 1: We have to go so much when he said this
Speaker 1: is what I want, he makes a video. If he
Speaker 1: makes a video of him at the piano and saying this,
Speaker 1: whatever the instrumentation is base keys, get strength. This is
Speaker 1: what I want. I love that about you and other
Speaker 1: artists where it's just like it's let me translate what
Speaker 1: you want in the best way structurally possible for our band. Man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because there's no guessing. It's like,
Speaker 1: my job is to make it better. To make it
Speaker 1: better your idea. That was my That was my issue
Speaker 1: in the beginning. But because I'm not I don't play,
Speaker 1: so I don't have the two talented moments y'all get
Speaker 1: too talented. Just it's just reality. There were moments you
Speaker 1: know that I had learn about that. Just get too
Speaker 1: talented because you're getting your ship off. I only got
Speaker 1: so much ship I look at it. But it's the
Speaker 1: way to get it off and for the people to
Speaker 1: be like, I'm getting off too by hearing that. Right.
Speaker 1: So he sends me, sends me to MP three and
Speaker 1: I'm like this niggad and turned slow into a Disney song.
Speaker 1: Just the first thing I said Disney, I said, Man,
Speaker 1: were fucking the Disney ship. These niggas gonna boom me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, nigga, I ain't been on stage. This nigga
Speaker 1: got me out here and singing a Disney song. This
Speaker 1: nigga is trying to ruin me before I get back.
Speaker 1: But the way the way I structured it is I
Speaker 1: made sure that he could he could he could just
Speaker 1: stay where he would navigate. Everything would dance around him.
Speaker 1: So here's the other thing, just about television in general.
Speaker 1: We can talk about this a whole another day. When
Speaker 1: we are creating those musical moments, there's a visual that
Speaker 1: has to match. Agreed. This man, I hate to say
Speaker 1: it like this. I hope I don't get in trouble.
Speaker 1: Has been a part of some amazing men to women's
Speaker 1: visual moments than I had to be safe. He introduced
Speaker 1: us to some people we we ain't know before, Joey
Speaker 1: and some some some moments with these strings where it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: they're playing this thing, but it's erotic and it's sexy,
Speaker 1: and we pushed, we pushed the envelope behind. Man, it
Speaker 1: is I just you know, that's like I said the
Speaker 1: wrong time. Yeah, you gotta be politically correct. This is
Speaker 1: my motherfucker show two different things. She did pole work
Speaker 1: and she's a pole dancer. Yeah, it's almost a professional
Speaker 1: poll arenasion I respected? So is that like a singer
Speaker 1: and a singer. No, no, no, no, she's a she's
Speaker 1: a No. I respect it though, I respected. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is so I'm gonna go back. We're gonna run in.
Speaker 1: I'm going back to say when we're creating those moments,
Speaker 1: whether that be for y'all or whether that be for
Speaker 1: any artists. Like there's also for television, there's a visual
Speaker 1: thing that goes with it too. So those accents and
Speaker 1: those hits that he was hearing in his head or
Speaker 1: that I might put a impact on or something like that,
Speaker 1: we know them lights is gonna go crazy. We know
Speaker 1: that depth. You know what I mean. Show me what
Speaker 1: you do with that drop? Yeah? Okay, that that far.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know what I mean. So that
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm looking at it as moving at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm seeing the movie player. Yeah it's a movie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I'm saying, I see the set, I see the lights.
Speaker 1: I'm getting this TV. So I'm like, I'm like, once
Speaker 1: it gets to him, it's gonna really get. It's gonna
Speaker 1: really get aggressive what I'm saying. And we and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I see it. All clear is dead. It was there
Speaker 1: and it was. It was okay, so let's go back.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's go back. Okay, So you art school,
Speaker 1: you can read. You, you're hitting the streets of Philly.
Speaker 1: You're going crazy, rosy and how how and what was
Speaker 1: that open mic night at a spot called the five
Speaker 1: Spot we used to go to in Philly and at
Speaker 1: that point, neo soul was booming. I just so happened
Speaker 1: to be in the mecca what I consider, you know,
Speaker 1: the mecca of what it was at that moment. Through
Speaker 1: that building, the five Spot, you could have anyone from
Speaker 1: Jill Scott to Below to Music Soul Child, to Erica
Speaker 1: Badud to Ndra to Eric Banat to you know, aries.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll remember Vivian Green. It was
Speaker 1: just it was just super crazy in Philly. Dre and
Speaker 1: Vidal and Carvin and Ivan and DJ Jazz Jeff and
Speaker 1: Touch of Jacks Ja. They just had the city on
Speaker 1: smash Man and so we were playing you know, those
Speaker 1: songs nightly and and and the peers of those people,
Speaker 1: even though I named some of the more famous ones,
Speaker 1: but it was another of those, you know for sure,
Speaker 1: Jazzy Fat Nasty's River Um, you know, just fourteen year
Speaker 1: old Jasmine Sullivan. You know what I mean. It just
Speaker 1: was crazy man. And so it was a night curated
Speaker 1: by Rich Nichols, rest in Peace, who was the manager
Speaker 1: of the Roots at the time, Sean g who we
Speaker 1: know now is the president of Live Nation, and I'm
Speaker 1: request love and black Thought and so um. The crew
Speaker 1: was called the Okay Player Crew and so um. They
Speaker 1: used to go on the road and do with these
Speaker 1: hubs of touring shows. They asked me to go as
Speaker 1: a young, you know, adolescent kid. But it was, you know,
Speaker 1: for the local and I don't want to say local,
Speaker 1: but like it was the underground, full underground, like real talk,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Jay Z then decides he
Speaker 1: wants to do Unplugged and hired the Ruts and hired
Speaker 1: the Roots. I actually didn't, so I didn't play Unpluged,
Speaker 1: But so what happened was the route. I wasn't a route,
Speaker 1: but the Roots the band did unplug and Jay said
Speaker 1: that was so good. Let's take it on tour and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do Maddison Square Garden and we're gonna call
Speaker 1: it Fade the Black. It's gonna be my last album,
Speaker 1: he said, it's my last album. It's j last, It's encore,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That was my first big gig.
Speaker 1: You're going the road j Z it do oh three
Speaker 1: as twenty years ago. So I was. I was through
Speaker 1: rehearsal process. I meet this guy um just kind of
Speaker 1: around producer Pink Polo Shirt. You know, he says, Yo,
Speaker 1: when this is over, you should come rock with me.
Speaker 1: You know, I got some stuff popping. I got my
Speaker 1: you know, I'm putting my album out myself. You know,
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna help me. You know. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know, I got you. You know, let's
Speaker 1: let's connect after this over Kanye West, Right, I go
Speaker 1: on tour with Kanye. We do this thing called to
Speaker 1: Go on the Dark Tour, which arguably is one of
Speaker 1: the top five shows I don't mind saying. Ever, he
Speaker 1: had a spaceship on the stage. It didn't work at first, right,
Speaker 1: Like it was like issues with it, like it was
Speaker 1: a whole thing with the major issues. But his vision
Speaker 1: was his vision. He wanted the alien, he wanted spaceship.
Speaker 1: He wanted to ban in the pit like it was Broadway.
Speaker 1: It was this thing that was my job to curate
Speaker 1: that through working with Kanye. I met this girl from Barbados,
Speaker 1: she kind of opening for us here and there, and
Speaker 1: it's like, Jay, it's like, yo, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sign this new artist whatever. We're donna cut her hair
Speaker 1: and she's real cute whatever. They come out with him brother, right,
Speaker 1: So it's really so it's like I end up working
Speaker 1: with Re after Kanye because she's opening with us, you know,
Speaker 1: through Re and me at this amazing light skinned Canadian
Speaker 1: boy who like rap sing I had never heard anything
Speaker 1: like it at the time, and I'm just like he's like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, after you don't really like come rock with me.
Speaker 1: You know, I got some stuff. Ends up being Drake,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Through Drake, we got this
Speaker 1: kid from North Carolina on the tour with us opening.
Speaker 1: Had no idea he was. We just would watch him nightly.
Speaker 1: He just wrapped so good named Ja Cole. Right. So
Speaker 1: then that's the case. And then I meet Jermaine Dupree
Speaker 1: at the at the Drake show. He says at the time,
Speaker 1: he's like, my girlfriend's going on tour like he needs
Speaker 1: he needs And I was like, oh, yeah, call me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm a huge fan of
Speaker 1: JD so So Deaf has been influential in my R
Speaker 1: and B path. Janet Jackson, this is Girls. So they
Speaker 1: called me on three ways like yeah, we went to
Speaker 1: see the Drake Show and Kanye Show and it's cool.
Speaker 1: And when I started working with Janet, she had the
Speaker 1: same manager as my good brother justin timber Lake. So
Speaker 1: he said, Yo, when Janet's done, I want you to
Speaker 1: meet my other client at the time. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so that's just the way God works, man.
Speaker 1: And it's like I've done hundreds of things in between
Speaker 1: all of that. But I say that through line to inspire.
Speaker 1: Did you work on that infamitue super Bowl? I did
Speaker 1: not work on that early super Bowl. I did not.
Speaker 1: I did not. I did not. No, I did not.
Speaker 1: But I say that through line to inspire because I
Speaker 1: speak about, you know, relationships and how the relationship equity
Speaker 1: is sometimes more than any monetary value that I could
Speaker 1: ever deposit to myself. Um, I don't mind saying I
Speaker 1: could call y'all, y'all gonna pull up for me. We're
Speaker 1: gonna sing a song and we're gonna kill it. But
Speaker 1: you know that I protect you all as an artist
Speaker 1: you know, I protect the integrity of the music. And
Speaker 1: I've been able to do that for my twenty year career,
Speaker 1: so that when I do make an album like my
Speaker 1: album Legacy, and I call Queen Latif or I call
Speaker 1: Kurt Franklin, or I call Mary Mary or Leslie Oldham Jr.
Speaker 1: They're like, Yo, whatever you need, You've sewn into me
Speaker 1: so much that I want to give this back to
Speaker 1: you because I can't afford their performance or you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, you know, we we if we're
Speaker 1: talking numbers, I'm just being honest, it's a different type
Speaker 1: of currency. So I've always tried to be a nice person.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds so simple, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of unnice niggas out there for sure. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: I've always tried to have integrity and respect for the music. Uh,
Speaker 1: not do too much, you know for somebody who likes
Speaker 1: just the album, do enough for somebody that's gonna get
Speaker 1: that special get out of it, and then also at
Speaker 1: the same time make an impact for the consumer so
Speaker 1: that the artist is like, I want those people to
Speaker 1: feel that way again, who did that about my music?
Speaker 1: My career has been who did that? Straight up and
Speaker 1: I never even said that out of my mouth before,
Speaker 1: but it's like who did that? Who did you? Who
Speaker 1: did that? Who did Janet? Who did that? Who did
Speaker 1: justin like you know what I'm saying, Like that's my resume,
Speaker 1: That's how I get so yeah, and so I'm really
Speaker 1: thankful about that, you know what I mean, because like
Speaker 1: you know, my name is in rooms that I don't
Speaker 1: even know sometimes based off of being good work, not
Speaker 1: based off of any and being a great person, but
Speaker 1: and trying to be a great person always. But well,
Speaker 1: I think being a great person is like the icing
Speaker 1: on the cake, right because you know, in in our
Speaker 1: in our world, you know what I mean, people will
Speaker 1: people will accept if you do good work, whatever comes
Speaker 1: along with work to the working working. So people will
Speaker 1: accept a gang of foolishness and bullshit if the work
Speaker 1: is But there's there's an extra measure umn of of
Speaker 1: what do you say, um of longevity that goes with
Speaker 1: being a good person. That's it, man, that's it. And
Speaker 1: then you know surrounding I've realized that a lot of
Speaker 1: my favorite artists have longevitycause they're good people. So if
Speaker 1: I'm looking at how to sustain I look at Verdine
Speaker 1: and White. I look at Philip Belly, I look at
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Terry. Wow. Yeah, not that, I not that.
Speaker 1: I know. They ain't got no enemies like you know, man,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I know, but I mean, like my
Speaker 1: relationship and seeing their relationships with people. I'm sure they
Speaker 1: didn't knock somebody bried back in the day when they
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, Lord Jesus ants at the base
Speaker 1: sit somewhere that don't look at Listen, listen, you can't
Speaker 1: be mad at let her get that off. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: but what you're saying, absolutely right there, Yeah, absolutely right man.
Speaker 1: It's been cool and good person. Yeah, it's been really
Speaker 1: cool to see the evolution. And then now you know,
Speaker 1: the young kids. It's funny I'm calling them kids, but
Speaker 1: it's like we're the O G s now right. They're
Speaker 1: taking what I've done and just like it's scary the
Speaker 1: limitless potential that they have musically. Now, what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do is teach them how to be people persons,
Speaker 1: because a lot of that is that too. When you
Speaker 1: get on the phone with Jay or you get on
Speaker 1: the phone with a tank, it's like, how do you
Speaker 1: convey your idea without it sounding like you're being forceful,
Speaker 1: without it sounding like you don't know really what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, and some bullsh You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And it's fluff, but like standing what you know, standing
Speaker 1: your your gift, but but conveyed polite. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like a lot. You know, I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be completely honest. I sound old, but I think
Speaker 1: social media has, you know, really ruined the one on
Speaker 1: one relationship contact from artists to worker or co worker
Speaker 1: or you know what I mean, producer, you know, people
Speaker 1: sending beats and all of that. It's like when you
Speaker 1: get in the room, so I'm in that special magic
Speaker 1: from back in the day, the nineties, all that it
Speaker 1: was in their room, in the room, yo, in the room,
Speaker 1: you could just hear you like you'd be walking imagine walking,
Speaker 1: I not even imagine, y'all know it walking through record plan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and somebody purposely is leaving their door open so you
Speaker 1: can hear purposely or even the collaboration process. Right, it's
Speaker 1: like you know all the musicians and I know that
Speaker 1: played on the Timberland records. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, my one of my great great friends,
Speaker 1: Daddy is Trippett's like he played based on Crime River
Speaker 1: and then Tie Trippet sang on Crimeate River. And I
Speaker 1: know that one of the reasons that happened is being
Speaker 1: in the room. Know what I'm saying. He ain't right
Speaker 1: there and say there's a choir part that I want
Speaker 1: to you know what I'm saying, it's like yos like
Speaker 1: you know what would be crazy crazy? Yes, there it
Speaker 1: is magic magic, it's magic like that, and that that
Speaker 1: is one of the things that I think we missed
Speaker 1: because even verbalizing as a producer that just sent might
Speaker 1: send a beat or something what you think would enhance
Speaker 1: the record, you know what I mean without being in
Speaker 1: the room. You know, so what do you what the gig?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like? I mean it was a really
Speaker 1: crazy domino effect? Um? Which gig? Do you feel like
Speaker 1: you really really got the flex on? Like really got
Speaker 1: to go crazy? Like in terms of just yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was that and that that seemingly is newish
Speaker 1: is ten years old now, so maybe it's okay I
Speaker 1: met J T. Christmas ten years today. Yeah, imagine justin
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Um and then we did Legends of the
Speaker 1: Summer after that, which was jay Z and and Justin together,
Speaker 1: which was crazy. I think I flexed on that, like
Speaker 1: I think that was one of the times work where
Speaker 1: I was able to be in front of white and
Speaker 1: black audience simultaneously and they both sets of cultures, ages,
Speaker 1: genders were like, this is crazy because you always can't
Speaker 1: make everybody. You can't make everybody happy. You know, some
Speaker 1: of my best work that I personally think it's my
Speaker 1: best work, some people don't like it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That was one of the first moments Legends
Speaker 1: of the Summer with jay Z and Justin where it
Speaker 1: was like you got we got it off for every
Speaker 1: for everybody, for everybody, the hood, the lawyers, doctors, you
Speaker 1: know at that time, in sync fans were thirty five
Speaker 1: plus Jay fans range any age. And then like Justin
Speaker 1: was coming out with a joint suit and tie and
Speaker 1: then it was like, you know, then they was doing
Speaker 1: Holy Grail. Was just like this child we got off,
Speaker 1: and then I did Sinatra in the in the middle
Speaker 1: of the show, he did New York, New York, going
Speaker 1: into New York, jay Z record, You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so it was like I wouldn't say, I gotta send
Speaker 1: that to you, bro, jay Z Justin is called Legends
Speaker 1: of the Summer. It's top five easy for me. Easy
Speaker 1: because I got it. I got it all off. I
Speaker 1: got to get my hip hop rocks off. I love
Speaker 1: pop music. People know that I gotta get that. I
Speaker 1: got to get that off. I got to get the
Speaker 1: soul thing off. It was everything. It was all inclusive. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the one I think that you know
Speaker 1: for me? Was was it ten years ago? But even
Speaker 1: before that, Um, you know, Kanye Going the Dark really
Speaker 1: established my m D career and that I knew leaving
Speaker 1: that tour I could do anything. And being a musical
Speaker 1: director is fifty one percent non musical, dealing with personalities,
Speaker 1: you know who we're talking about, You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's it was a lot for me, um and and
Speaker 1: um dealing with ever changing sonic palette. He he went
Speaker 1: from this college dropped out to we ending the show
Speaker 1: on Stronger, you know, daft Pump. But then he went
Speaker 1: through a phase during their unfortunately right I was there today,
Speaker 1: his mom passed and he was going through some relationship things.
Speaker 1: So he went love lockdown with it. So and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're importing these tycho drums from like Taiwan.
Speaker 1: It's like doom doom, doom, doom, doom, doom doom, I'm
Speaker 1: not loving you. So it's like we're going from like
Speaker 1: a range of emotion. It's just a whole range of
Speaker 1: psychedelic stuff, all being very transparent through it, through the music,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I ended that tour.
Speaker 1: We done did three albums now, we don't did Graduation
Speaker 1: eight oh eights, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: of course his first record, which you know, we intertwined
Speaker 1: in there. So it was like it was crazy man,
Speaker 1: Like I left that tour knowing that I could do anything.
Speaker 1: Funny story, you know, we walk into the stage. We
Speaker 1: didn't sound check once. We was on tour for a while.
Speaker 1: But he says, Yo Adam, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: the second verse tonight to the Champion and it's like
Speaker 1: five four three two, and I'm like, wait what. So
Speaker 1: I run over to the pro tools. I just was
Speaker 1: telling this story and I run over to the pro tools.
Speaker 1: The show is starting. I'm like, you have to edit
Speaker 1: with your eyes now, I'm like, okay, yes I did,
Speaker 1: because I don't have been running back to the grid
Speaker 1: just a seriously and how I'm like, okay, eight bars,
Speaker 1: I'm highlighting right, the show is starting on the other computer.
Speaker 1: Delete those eight bars, put it together, jump back of
Speaker 1: my stage and I said, band, we're taking a second
Speaker 1: verse out. Whatever it was, eight bar, six bars, whatever,
Speaker 1: it is, right, And then I just had to trust it.
Speaker 1: I had to trust it. So you know, that's why
Speaker 1: I say it's a lot of it is non musical.
Speaker 1: It's like you gotta trust yourself because they trust you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't got too many
Speaker 1: mess ups, but that was a heart that was Did
Speaker 1: you get through that? When I got Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: got I got through that. It was good. But also
Speaker 1: it's like I'm really a student of the music too,
Speaker 1: so it's like if I do, I know, I can
Speaker 1: look at that file and be like, here's the verse.
Speaker 1: You know, it's also to like your uh, the people
Speaker 1: who you empower your delegation process. For sure, only as
Speaker 1: strong as my team m D is only as strong
Speaker 1: as a team because you can try to do everything,
Speaker 1: but it don't work like that, especially if I got
Speaker 1: to go to choreography rehearsal. I gotta go to strings rehearsal,
Speaker 1: I gotta go to home rehearsal. Like I have to
Speaker 1: know that each department has their own self sufficiency um,
Speaker 1: and that comes from me hiring them for sure. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like I gotta really figure out.
Speaker 1: I had to figure out, like who I just trust
Speaker 1: to say this is the edit, go ahead and do
Speaker 1: it when I see you when I get back. And
Speaker 1: one of your guys, we talk about you all the time,
Speaker 1: Danny Chang, God is our guy. That's our guy, one
Speaker 1: of the best in the world. I can text him
Speaker 1: right now and say, take the second verse out of this.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go this. The pre hook gonna be four
Speaker 1: bards and then I need to manage for name changed too,
Speaker 1: though you know it's Chung. I'm sorry. My grandmother's maiden
Speaker 1: name is Chang. That's me and he always had that. Danny.
Speaker 1: I love you, Danny, I love you. We love you,
Speaker 1: and you talking about how how and how you template
Speaker 1: you know, tune B G V bus Like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: Y'll give me that tink bro stop that I need that.
Speaker 1: That's what I want you know, he got it and
Speaker 1: he's he's transcended a lot of people's music based off
Speaker 1: of how y'all you know, I wasn't even around when
Speaker 1: y'all was working like that are still working or whatever.
Speaker 1: But um, he's been able to infiltrate his sound in
Speaker 1: R and B specifically like straight up you know what
Speaker 1: Danny mix Yo vote by the vocal. Last time I called,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I need said, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna man, Okay, let me let me, let me check
Speaker 1: and see what I can do. Man, I'm about to
Speaker 1: do this eminem you know what, don't I'm finding mars.
Speaker 1: Don't call me back. Just but but listen, that goes
Speaker 1: back to saying he loved the music. Bro. He he
Speaker 1: talks about Tank and R and B and Mary and
Speaker 1: all the Merry records and talk about neo records. He's
Speaker 1: done like he loves R and B music, yo, Like
Speaker 1: straight yeah, he's been locked in for a while and
Speaker 1: even you know, you know we're talking about the Asian
Speaker 1: American here is like culturally, that just shows to me
Speaker 1: how powerful our music is for sure. Period. It's not
Speaker 1: a black thing. It's just it's just a thing. And
Speaker 1: you know we can. We can argue all day that
Speaker 1: going into three. We are pop music, straight up. I
Speaker 1: don't mind saying that, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: don't get said much, but I can the way I navigate,
Speaker 1: I'm able to do that. I see who's on the
Speaker 1: b ET Awards and also on the v Maze. You
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying. I see who's on TV one,
Speaker 1: but also on the American Music Awards. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's not no, that's not no coincidence that
Speaker 1: Chloe Belly can navigate through Black Music Honors and also
Speaker 1: go do vm a's You know what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: Normandy can come from television and beat on vm as
Speaker 1: am as that Beyonce, you know what I mean, can
Speaker 1: go do dream Girls but then do the BTT Awards,
Speaker 1: but then she just did the Oscars. We are pop music.
Speaker 1: They chase us straight up. I'm you know, this is
Speaker 1: what it is. We said all the time, properly popular music,
Speaker 1: that's all. Whatever is the most popular. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: shout out to our brother, you know, takeoff man. But
Speaker 1: like you know, like Me Goes is essentially the biggest
Speaker 1: pop group of the decade period. Change the sound. I
Speaker 1: don't care where they're from. I don't care what they
Speaker 1: look like. Favorite group, it just is what it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I look at things like that.
Speaker 1: I look at what Dirk is doing. I look at
Speaker 1: what Baby doing. It's like, how can you deny? You can't,
Speaker 1: you can't deny it's global. Yeah. Global. You also tapping
Speaker 1: my guy when I saw you with uh be more
Speaker 1: Brian Fraser man go work work, who played with me
Speaker 1: last night? Yeah, he was there last night getting busy. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, you know we go my ninety seven partner.
Speaker 1: We both I laughed at both of y'all when he's like,
Speaker 1: I'll do anything and that's my word, listen laugh at
Speaker 1: But y'all, did y'all both have your shirts off? No?
Speaker 1: He had because you know we nicknamed him the Tasmanian right,
Speaker 1: and he had the stuff, the stuff and stuff and
Speaker 1: what's crazy that you remember, you know, you go to
Speaker 1: Disney World and get the stuff animals They put us
Speaker 1: in the front of his drum. Kid, he was he
Speaker 1: was going that crazy everywhere y'all was. But he was like,
Speaker 1: you like the Tasmanian devil you are, So it was
Speaker 1: like it was crazy though he's so so dope. The
Speaker 1: concept of what Tim was doing, he didn't have that
Speaker 1: coming into rehearsal. Wow. So I think him and Johnny
Speaker 1: Crane kind of collaborated on what it feels it sounds like,
Speaker 1: and then he just went somewhere different. Added the sauce.
Speaker 1: Junuine will be looking back at him like what is going?
Speaker 1: And I'm a drummer too, so I'm looking back and
Speaker 1: y'all never be able to You can't do that. I
Speaker 1: was like, you can't do that. I help that helps
Speaker 1: you pick your land backround. I played a little bit
Speaker 1: of the kids. I would play bass like I played
Speaker 1: drops that church with my dad, but I don't play
Speaker 1: like that. He wanted them once and and and again.
Speaker 1: You know Philly natives um coming from church and not
Speaker 1: to even run his background down, but like when you
Speaker 1: see him migrate to Atlanta and and do Genuine and Aaliyah,
Speaker 1: but then get the call for Janet and Madonna. Right,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like two fold where the foundation has
Speaker 1: been laid because of this soul music that he's played
Speaker 1: through church and through R and B. It allows you
Speaker 1: to play come on vote that he playing that thing
Speaker 1: like he out different controls, a different control man. He's
Speaker 1: able to have those things and live and live in
Speaker 1: it and be authentic. Let's get into the my day.
Speaker 1: I want to get into your mom. You've been you've
Speaker 1: been doing music on a high level. Top five, Oh,
Speaker 1: top five, we want to know your top five? Top
Speaker 1: five on top five, Top five R and B artists,
Speaker 1: R B artists and then R and B song song, Oh,
Speaker 1: your top five I'm not singing with Okay, we got five,
Speaker 1: hold on, I'm still controlling this ship. I want to
Speaker 1: know he's still in the worship everybody right. You want
Speaker 1: to you're at home? Where your fives in the air? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Top five? Didn't I tell you about being too talents? Talents?
Speaker 1: I want to know who was at home with the
Speaker 1: five spread fingers, top five R and B artists of
Speaker 1: all time of man, female, mix them together, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to do, Joe to see. You're gonna start there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start with the problem is I'm nasty because
Speaker 1: I used to fall asleep with fiending in my ears
Speaker 1: when I when I was a kid, just I just
Speaker 1: I just I used to put the headphones on it
Speaker 1: and said, take my mom. I was like my house
Speaker 1: and my I was like, Yo, this dude crazy. Yo.
Speaker 1: I was like, for a hit of you. It was
Speaker 1: totally wrong. I'm sorry. I'm sorry mom and dad, but
Speaker 1: I listened to that CD every night when I fell asleep.
Speaker 1: So I woke up and I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is crazy. Then I was an album credit reader and
Speaker 1: I'm like Timothy Mosley, like who is this guy? And
Speaker 1: just you know, arrest is history, Jody see Stevie wonder
Speaker 1: why not? Why not? Michael Jackson very easy. Here's where
Speaker 1: it gets a little tricky for me, because, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of so much music, and so I
Speaker 1: have to be honest and say, you know, Usher, that's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with you know, something wrong. Confessions changed, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just crazy and even BFM on Usher Live,
Speaker 1: which was early early Usher. Um. And then number one
Speaker 1: for me, you know, arguably Brandy you said number one
Speaker 1: to you because we didn't tell you. It wasn't no order,
Speaker 1: but number one, number, number number I would take if
Speaker 1: I was locked on the desert, it would be Full
Speaker 1: Moon for me, easy easy album. I can top the
Speaker 1: bottom every song Stranded, Stranded, full Moon Easy. I love that.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody got there, you know, the honorable mention.
Speaker 1: I gotta put Mary in there just because you know
Speaker 1: of what she meant to the culture. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and like, you know, singing right wrong, you know,
Speaker 1: puff putting samples in there that I hadn't heard before,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you know, yeah, so that's it
Speaker 1: for me. I got a lot of people left out. Okay,
Speaker 1: yea Top five R and B songs. You already said feeling,
Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna go to Feeding for Feeding
Speaker 1: for sure because it's so wrong, it's so it's so wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the church, and y'ad. I think I don't think
Speaker 1: it's wrong. Everything is right to me. And it's like
Speaker 1: cortex guitar, like just so much church, so much church
Speaker 1: and nasty but like crying for you, like and you know,
Speaker 1: just just Joe to see but Feeding for sure. Top
Speaker 1: five songs, Top five Um My, my songs is weird.
Speaker 1: It's you do so much and my song is weird
Speaker 1: though it's about discovery. Yeah, those we don't know those songs. Um,
Speaker 1: what about us, Brandy? You know, you know Rodney Jugon's
Speaker 1: to me, it's just one is an all time great. Yeah, man, um, okay,
Speaker 1: and my list changes daily, so we could talk every day.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna text youall, dow y'all, y'all bugged out, text
Speaker 1: you all every day with a new list, right. So
Speaker 1: whatever today Superstar Usher, m I'll be come on you
Speaker 1: you know yeah, um um Fantasy Earth one Fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get back to her team. Let's get back to
Speaker 1: our team. M hm, you know, get back to birth.
Speaker 1: So and uh that's four and then um, today, take
Speaker 1: you down Chris Brown. Wow, today, great record. It's an
Speaker 1: amazing record. Today, it's amazing record. Live though too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just that's today. You know that's got a wrong thing
Speaker 1: on it too, you know, like changes, Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's that's But Damon is a wrong kind of guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah when he makes music, Yeah, he makes the music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: take you out very Damon makes music out of order. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to be sitting next to Day like that
Speaker 1: corps don't go behind it, trust me a dude. When
Speaker 1: next first day he said, yes it does, and Eric
Speaker 1: Dawkins would come in and write on it makes sense
Speaker 1: it right, Absolutely, that's good. You guys are good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: want yeah, and like you know, honorable mentioned definitely keep
Speaker 1: Summarine keep you know, honest, you know so much music
Speaker 1: I can't get it away. But if you realize, like
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of my favorites aren't just the
Speaker 1: stuff that I play, because like I was influenced by
Speaker 1: so Like you know, listen listening to Joe to see
Speaker 1: how main is one of the greatest feel good cool
Speaker 1: song all times. Yeah, for sure, it puts you in
Speaker 1: the mood when that record was crazy though? What about
Speaker 1: us record? Brandy record? I was. I was there when
Speaker 1: when when Rottney was figuring out the technology of the record. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I don't He's like listen to this. He was. I
Speaker 1: was doing records with him. He was able producing records
Speaker 1: on me, and he was like listening. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, what is that? And why He's like
Speaker 1: something different? I'm telling you what this And he was
Speaker 1: like and then snares are gonna be kicks? And I
Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about? Everything he's that
Speaker 1: happened everything that song? Yeah, what is that? He made
Speaker 1: a movie? Audio movie because Brand unfortunately didn't even go
Speaker 1: toward that record, you know what I'm saying. And I
Speaker 1: was like a concert going person. He let us how
Speaker 1: we talked about seeing it. He made us see it
Speaker 1: by hitting play. M it different. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that don't do that no more Bruno Mars do
Speaker 1: he do that today? You see it? And then he
Speaker 1: got the you know, he got the visual now with
Speaker 1: it to justin timber Lake. I feel like you see it, Usher,
Speaker 1: I think you see it. I think when I listened
Speaker 1: to a sex record with Tank, it's like you see it.
Speaker 1: You want to be in the zone. But that's before
Speaker 1: you Like, we didn't see that with Brand. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like live on stage is what I mean.
Speaker 1: What Rodney made a two bar or a four bar
Speaker 1: loop do for five minutes? Like the train that keeps
Speaker 1: part of the Transformers or something. What's what's that? What's
Speaker 1: the world? Did they from the Transformers? I don't know
Speaker 1: from time world? You're right where he made that record, yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: And they just kept moving and I was just like,
Speaker 1: I ain't never heard nothing. I've never even tried it
Speaker 1: as a producer at the time. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying sounded like even fake Rodney Jerkins for about a year,
Speaker 1: I don't even try it. Yeah, I said, that is
Speaker 1: out of my leaves. I'm gona shoot these jumpers. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's doing something in the paste taste, something special and
Speaker 1: it still is man the way he made he's one
Speaker 1: of the people. To me, I talked crazy about music
Speaker 1: and I'm such a geek of and a fan of music.
Speaker 1: But he makes a loop move so different. So I'm
Speaker 1: not done with you. We're gonna put together R and
Speaker 1: B votron. Okay, all right, So we're gonna take the
Speaker 1: basis the best of the best your world. We want
Speaker 1: to know who you gonna get the vocals from, the
Speaker 1: performance style, from the styling from and the passion of
Speaker 1: the artist. Who are you getting the vocals from? Dialine? Dialine, dialine,
Speaker 1: one person, one person, oh Man, one vocal, one person person.
Speaker 1: Mike is on as the kids. One person that's gonna
Speaker 1: have a mic on oh Man today, Eric Dawkins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my today. Do your research the dock I got,
Speaker 1: I got to he flawless brod. I haven't never heard
Speaker 1: him mess up to me. Yeah, let's go ahead next day.
Speaker 1: I just to you know, to open the computer, just
Speaker 1: to open your mouth and sing a song. The voice
Speaker 1: you said, right, Yeah, it's it's it's isn't it's it's
Speaker 1: nobody like him. No, nobody like him. There's nobody like him. Um,
Speaker 1: he's annointed performance style like them on stage. Who um
Speaker 1: m hmm. You know it's like a tie. Like. I
Speaker 1: love Tiana Taylor. I think she She's a very great performed,
Speaker 1: really good. I really do. Chris is just a whole
Speaker 1: another alien from that same wheelhouse. Yeah, and uh but
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Jackson, you can't go on. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: It's so it's like kind of you know, the father.
Speaker 1: We got something. I'm gonna go Michael Jackson performance that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Ye happens. M I'm gonna just play keys and sing back.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna manage um styling, put that ship on, like
Speaker 1: physically the drift. So this is weird for everybody. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, but I love the way Rick
Speaker 1: Ross dressed because I'm a big dude. That's why he
Speaker 1: gets it off. That's what he gets it. I feel
Speaker 1: like somebody's gonna laugh at me saying that's about it.
Speaker 1: But that's about it. But he has short, but he
Speaker 1: has short above the knee. That's how. That's how, that's
Speaker 1: how they show how richie are yt Yeah, they still
Speaker 1: pocket new Rosses fly. I know that. You know you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna dress Uh, You're gonna dress him up
Speaker 1: as a big nigger. You know what you said? This
Speaker 1: is my transformation, right. I gotta budget. I got a
Speaker 1: voice budget and I got a clothing butet I got
Speaker 1: a voice budget, a performing budget, and a clothing budget.
Speaker 1: This is me. This is what I'm doing. I want,
Speaker 1: I want the whole thing. Here we go crazy. I
Speaker 1: know that sound crazy. Sing like Eric Talkland, dance like Michael,
Speaker 1: dress dressed like Ross whatever. Who I bet you if
Speaker 1: you're going two k right now and make that sit
Speaker 1: I bet you be my player. He yo, we need
Speaker 1: an R and B two K. Let's get it bad.
Speaker 1: You need to call a sports right singing competition video.
Speaker 1: Let's get it. It's crazy. You said we own we
Speaker 1: own him that. Yeah, let's do it. Do that. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you you're just we're doing it. You have a
Speaker 1: virtual microphone, and then I could compete with you anybody
Speaker 1: else done. We're all right? Yeah listen, that's that's that
Speaker 1: sounds crazy. Time stamped and with the thing on. Going
Speaker 1: to concert and build your concert, body, build your concert,
Speaker 1: drip build that's different. That's different. It's different. That's kid
Speaker 1: highlight music, avert metaverse. Um, okay, the passion of the artists.
Speaker 1: Who you getting the heart from? Wh're gonna make you cry,
Speaker 1: I'll make you laugh, jump up. I've never seen anybody
Speaker 1: more passionate than puff Daddy Wow period. He refused to lose.
Speaker 1: He refuses to lose. That's your He needs a shirt
Speaker 1: and I respect he needs what I respect it what
Speaker 1: he literally passionate. He needs a shirt, says I refused
Speaker 1: to Yeah, I've never seen he inspired. He inspired me.
Speaker 1: Uh did the bad Boy of Reunion tours some of
Speaker 1: the best music I've ever listened to in the nineties
Speaker 1: that I was able to translate to my instrument and play.
Speaker 1: I've seen him jump on table and I've seen him
Speaker 1: throw the set designs because it wasn't He was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I don't this don't meet my standard, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. He's one of those people as well that
Speaker 1: he's a designator and if you if he feels like
Speaker 1: you are not doing your best, he's going to challenge
Speaker 1: that because he wants to be the best. I've seen
Speaker 1: him stay at rehearsal till two three four in the
Speaker 1: morning while we're tired. I'm like, yo, I can't be tired,
Speaker 1: and he's still here. That don't make sense. He is
Speaker 1: a Lee Dirk straight up. There's no body like him.
Speaker 1: People can question his tactics, but he brings the best
Speaker 1: out of people. You know what I'm saying. Um, he
Speaker 1: is passionate about what he does, and he's passionate sometimes
Speaker 1: more than you, about what he wants you to do.
Speaker 1: All right, I can't you know, I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: get you know. We're going now? Yeah? Oh so we
Speaker 1: got this segment put right? Yeah, because I went to
Speaker 1: I went to somebody's event and they put me under
Speaker 1: the motherfucker's right air conditioning. So now you had a
Speaker 1: good time. Now I'm out here with my bad white
Speaker 1: So it's called I ain't saying no names. I ain't
Speaker 1: saying no name saying I ain't saying the name, where
Speaker 1: you being, who and what you did and what I
Speaker 1: don't know? That is though. Listen, story funnier, funked up,
Speaker 1: are funny and fucked up? Oh man, I got so
Speaker 1: many bro, this is Adam Blackstones. I ain't saying no man,
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to go with it. Come on,
Speaker 1: my brother, let me think. Okay, okay, okay, yeah it's great.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names. We got that same almost
Speaker 1: crazy this this this is crazy. But actually I think
Speaker 1: people will know what this is. But um, we had
Speaker 1: the v amaze Man new record just came out with
Speaker 1: an incredible artist and m she decides to uh, when
Speaker 1: I have a reptile on the stage with us, right,
Speaker 1: the joint snake goes crazy. Bro clears out the whole
Speaker 1: sound check and I mean it's just like crazy trainer
Speaker 1: trainers off to the side, grabs a dancer, bam right
Speaker 1: on the thing, right, Bro, When I tell you, I
Speaker 1: was scared than a mugg dog. That was not fun.
Speaker 1: Me and the girl dancer couldn't perform the next day
Speaker 1: at the VMA. They had to get her blood tested
Speaker 1: and like all this stuff. Bro, it was it was crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah bro, yeah, and then you know, I ain't see
Speaker 1: the snake no more. I just put I don't know
Speaker 1: if they put him down, put him down? What you
Speaker 1: calling euphonize reptile. Yeah, bro, they had to join out
Speaker 1: there for sound check. We're playing this song, ain't gonna
Speaker 1: you know, the nice reptile and just keep saying that
Speaker 1: and that John, I think like a pyro went off
Speaker 1: or something that was everybody was like, yo, crazy man.
Speaker 1: It was like a movie. It was a full terrified.
Speaker 1: It was a full movie. Yeah, no, we're not with that.
Speaker 1: I would not. I would we not. I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: played that game. Yeah, we're not with that. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was rough. We cleared that. We cleared that stage so
Speaker 1: fast you would have thought, uh, earthquake was happening. I
Speaker 1: don't need know. It was worse than that. That's one
Speaker 1: of them one, you know. Um wow, I ain't saying
Speaker 1: on names. Yeah, I ain't staying on names. Be careful
Speaker 1: with this, listen, brother man, um Mr Adam Blackstone. Man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Thank you for having me well like
Speaker 1: you already know you are. Thank you for sharing to
Speaker 1: get for this. Yeah, man, you are. You are a
Speaker 1: high level guy brother than you And I don't just
Speaker 1: mean that just in musicality, man, but just as a
Speaker 1: brother man. Since day one, man, you are absolutely um,
Speaker 1: completely solid man. And you do amazing work. Man. So
Speaker 1: those two hand in hand you will not lose. I
Speaker 1: feel it. And I appreciate you all always having my bag.
Speaker 1: I know I can call y'all at any time, and
Speaker 1: you know we can shoot shoot, shoot it up like this.
Speaker 1: And but also you know, don't get it twisted. We're
Speaker 1: getting that lab and create something crazy or hit that stage.
Speaker 1: And so you know, um, being solid is you know,
Speaker 1: mean something to me. So you you you all have
Speaker 1: that and I just appreciate being here. I appreciate y'all
Speaker 1: letting me plug legacy and and and also you know,
Speaker 1: seeing the fathers that you all are and and seeing
Speaker 1: you know, the family men. That goes a long way
Speaker 1: for me because it's teaching us that it's it's a
Speaker 1: lot more than just this R and B met you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying comes back to that because that's
Speaker 1: what we love. But like we do it for legs,
Speaker 1: and we do it for our families and and and
Speaker 1: even this just to have something to stand on. Um,
Speaker 1: this platform that you all have is just incredible. Man.
Speaker 1: So thank you all for having me. Appreciate you, Appreciate
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