Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Meets Twirl, the podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So
Speaker 1: now we've turned to Traders, another show that I had
Speaker 1: never seen, while Will was convinced that he could win it.
Speaker 1: We are Wilfredell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, one
Speaker 1: a TV expert, one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars,
Speaker 1: join us as one more time. We step into a
Speaker 1: castle full of lies, alliances, and over.
Speaker 2: The top wardrobe choices.
Speaker 1: This is the finale of Pod meets twirld Trading Places. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's finale.
Speaker 3: That's how you pronounce it. I was saying, finally, finally, finally.
Speaker 2: Well, this has been quite a journey man. Wow. Yeah
Speaker 2: I am. I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: We've already announced this, but we're moving on into Survivor
Speaker 1: and I'm glad.
Speaker 3: I I want to get out of this castle. Really, yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to get into the castle.
Speaker 1: I know you do I ultimately, and we had a
Speaker 1: great conversation with Chad about this. Yeah, and I think this, this,
Speaker 1: this game needs work. I think Traders is pretty flawed
Speaker 1: as a game. Wow, I think it's a it's it's
Speaker 1: it's especially this season, and maybe it's less so when
Speaker 1: it's civilians or a different set of celebrities. But this
Speaker 1: felt very reality show heavy, you know, like it felt
Speaker 1: more like I don't know, I mean the fact that
Speaker 1: we have two Love Island people at the end, right, Like,
Speaker 1: just it just felt more performative and also left me
Speaker 1: a little itchy feeling at the end, even.
Speaker 2: I think you're kind of supposed to feel a little itchy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess there's a total factor to it, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I know. I think that there's like a camp quality
Speaker 1: to it, you know that that I've loved and enjoyed,
Speaker 1: But that camp quality didn't detract that at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's a show about people lying to
Speaker 1: each other's faces, and I just I just still don't
Speaker 1: like that, right, Sure, No, I don't like that. I
Speaker 1: don't like feeling like I'm on the side of liars
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't blame them, Like I really
Speaker 1: don't think Rob is a bad person, like at all,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I don't think, I don't think anybody.
Speaker 1: But it's also like it just puts them in this
Speaker 1: position that make that the strength yeah, and yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean we've said at the beginning that I would
Speaker 2: be bad on this show.
Speaker 3: But wait, Devil's Advocate, could you go the way you
Speaker 3: tell you and Danielle were always talking to me about
Speaker 3: Dancing with the Stars. Where it's like if you just
Speaker 3: went in and thought of it as like a role, right,
Speaker 3: wouldn't that be the role you're playing on Traders is
Speaker 3: as an actor, You're playing the treacherous guy, you're playing
Speaker 3: the villain, You're playing the sociopath.
Speaker 1: No, that's the thing, and and I think that's why
Speaker 1: that the camp be campiness is like the fun and
Speaker 1: like make it so over the top with like mad
Speaker 1: Dad and you know the way like he.
Speaker 2: Just like slams their pictures down.
Speaker 1: Like all of that I think is the only way
Speaker 1: that it's manageable that you're playing a really psychotic game otherwise, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't think it ultimately can't remove the fact
Speaker 1: that it's still a show about, you know, a lie.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe because this is my first season and
Speaker 1: the Traders.
Speaker 2: Won spoiler, I mean, we're here.
Speaker 4: Hope, you know.
Speaker 1: But like the the fact that the Traders won, I
Speaker 1: wonder if I would feel the exact opposite if the
Speaker 1: Faithful had one right, because.
Speaker 3: Which is what happened last season is all four faithfuls
Speaker 3: one and they were like we did it, we did it,
Speaker 3: we did it together, Like look how good we were.
Speaker 2: It would feel like a triumph of honestly.
Speaker 1: The spirit and honesty.
Speaker 3: Where this year, I was like, I was so he
Speaker 3: was playing so well that I was like I want
Speaker 3: to see him go the entire way and I was
Speaker 3: I was calling every move.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, now if he.
Speaker 3: Does this, I'm like, he can't do this, it's brilliant.
Speaker 3: If he does I'm like, oh my god, it's incredible.
Speaker 3: It was incredible all the way around. But yeah, the
Speaker 3: last last season, all the Faithful did win, and there
Speaker 3: was like this, we can do it.
Speaker 1: We did it together. Whereas watching this man cut through
Speaker 1: these people with like this scythe of deceit is just magical.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I you know, we've talked about how
Speaker 1: reality has gotten less exploitative and people kind of know
Speaker 1: what they're signing up for. But the look on Mora's
Speaker 1: face was like pretty devastating, and that it made me.
Speaker 2: I watched it.
Speaker 3: I watched it three times because it was it's also
Speaker 3: as horrible as it sounds, it's a beautifully honest moment
Speaker 3: in television. I mean, you watched this woman because at
Speaker 3: first you saw the look in her face where she's like, well,
Speaker 3: you're joking, like this can't be right, and then when
Speaker 3: she realized it was that look of weight. She was gutted,
Speaker 3: and it's always it was my favorite part of it,
Speaker 3: which oh my god, though it because she said it
Speaker 3: like it was a legal binding contract.
Speaker 2: She went, your pinky s.
Speaker 1: You pinky promised, you promise, legal contract, you promise. Now
Speaker 1: you gotta lose a pinky. Now we take the pinky,
Speaker 1: Now we.
Speaker 2: Take the man.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it reminded me of Joshmo Season one,
Speaker 1: which I'm pretty sure you watched, right.
Speaker 2: I can, I can quote it. I loved that show.
Speaker 1: And do you remember how devastated he was to find
Speaker 1: out that the one guy who was like his best friend.
Speaker 1: It was like hold on, hold on, yeah if he
Speaker 1: was not happy, you know, and like I think years later,
Speaker 1: which I don't know, I don't know what the end
Speaker 1: result was, but I remember watching that multiple times because
Speaker 1: he when they revealed it, he went, are you kidding us?
Speaker 1: And grabbed that guy and then was like wait what
Speaker 1: and then looked at him and it's pretty awful, And
Speaker 1: it felt similar in this this moment, I was like,
Speaker 1: yeah again.
Speaker 3: I also I am one of those people where if
Speaker 3: you're going to sign up for one of these reality shows,
Speaker 3: then whatever happens is on you.
Speaker 1: Well, with Joe Shmo, that was very manipulated. They were
Speaker 1: actually lying to him.
Speaker 3: Right right, but they were, but they knew he was
Speaker 3: going to you were You're going to a reality show
Speaker 3: where you're gonna sit in a in a thing. Also,
Speaker 3: the thing that I loved about josh Mo show, the
Speaker 3: original one, was the reason people loved him and he
Speaker 3: made it to the end. The way that he did
Speaker 3: is everything they threw at him, and every step of
Speaker 3: the way he made the right choice as a decent
Speaker 3: person totally.
Speaker 1: He never screwed anybody.
Speaker 4: He never.
Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing, and that was you know, it's the same
Speaker 3: with like, I know, Jerry Duty. I didn't actually watch
Speaker 3: the whole season.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I heard it was good, but
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think that is always the point, right,
Speaker 1: It's like they don't want to make somebody.
Speaker 2: Look that bad.
Speaker 1: It's candy camera it's still lying, it's still manipulating, and
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I just but again it's it's candid camera. That's a
Speaker 3: hidden a hidden camera show that's punked.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's what these things are.
Speaker 2: I don't like any of them. I get a with
Speaker 2: all of them. It's funny.
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of him either, but I'm
Speaker 1: okay with people like at least in this case, you're
Speaker 1: knowing what you're as as Alan Coming says at the end,
Speaker 1: the show is called Traders. So the worst one was
Speaker 1: a show called Film Fakers. Did you ever see that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: So it was my dear friend and amazing actor that
Speaker 1: I've worked with. He's in my new Red Weather podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Wilde was from this as an actor. And what
Speaker 1: they would do is create fake movies and hire actors
Speaker 1: and convince them that they were making a horrible movie
Speaker 1: that these actors would commit to not knowing that everyone
Speaker 1: on the crew was an actor pretending to make a movie.
Speaker 1: I felt it was so they were always like twenty somethings,
Speaker 1: young twenty somethings who a big role and like, you know,
Speaker 1: like they did like a horror movie that was like
Speaker 1: you know, so ridiculously dumb. But they would write whole
Speaker 1: scripts and they would actually go out with a camera
Speaker 1: crew and be shooting scenes, but then meanwhile be shooting
Speaker 1: a behind the scenes documentary the making of this movie,
Speaker 1: which is the actual reality show. And they would do
Speaker 1: multiple days of shooting before they revealed to these actors
Speaker 1: that like, haha, you're actually on a reality show.
Speaker 2: You don't have the career.
Speaker 1: Like the moment you thought that, yeah, that's what mean man,
Speaker 1: and Chris felt really bad about it. He kept going
Speaker 1: and he you know, did his job, but he was
Speaker 1: also like, this feels weird because you're you're you're taking
Speaker 1: advantage of actors commitment to their art, which sucks.
Speaker 3: Now do you believe that anybody on Traders was being
Speaker 3: taken advantage of?
Speaker 2: No? I mean, and that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Morris says that at the end, she she she calls
Speaker 1: him a bad man or whatever, but then she says
Speaker 1: like it's the name of the show. Yea. She so
Speaker 1: I think she you know, but she also just needs
Speaker 1: it is more than anything, a reality check on her
Speaker 1: own inability to judge people's character.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: But of course, but if you if you sign up
Speaker 3: for a show called Stabbing Castle and you get stabbed
Speaker 3: that's on you, so you know what I mean. It's like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: are the filmfakers that would that sound?
Speaker 2: That sounds a yeah? I don't yeah, I would never Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was another one called Scare Tactics, where they would
Speaker 1: like create crazy scary situations, like somebody would pick you know,
Speaker 1: and it would always be like one person would be
Speaker 1: in on it, and they would bring their friend to
Speaker 1: like the desert for a party and then like aliens
Speaker 1: would invade. Oh and they like and they would get
Speaker 1: and it was so funny because what you saw they
Speaker 1: put people in really scary situations that were you know,
Speaker 1: other world like a ghost or a zombie or an alien.
Speaker 1: But what was amazing is that often people's reactions were
Speaker 1: pretty unentertaining because like when somebody's really scared, especially men,
Speaker 1: they shut down.
Speaker 2: It's like you go into fight or flight.
Speaker 1: So you don't get like somebody screaming, like it's more
Speaker 1: like oh God, I'm gonna die or oh my god,
Speaker 1: aliens are real, I need.
Speaker 2: To it's like you shut down.
Speaker 1: So it actually became a kind of uninteresting show, like
Speaker 1: there everyone's out there'd be that one person who.
Speaker 2: Would like scream or like I can't believe this.
Speaker 1: And then there was the one time where they had
Speaker 1: picked up a hitchhiker and the guy pulled a knife
Speaker 1: on them, and the guy who was being scared just
Speaker 1: beat the crup out of him exactly, exactly like you
Speaker 1: did the right thing. Like this is just a game
Speaker 1: show we're trying to pull.
Speaker 3: You know, somebody was a gun and shoots the zombie
Speaker 3: in the head and that's an actor.
Speaker 2: That's a bad day at the network.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Well let's get into our final
Speaker 1: episode where we revealed the murder that was in plain
Speaker 1: sight was Mark and this was a great set piece.
Speaker 2: They're like, get into the coffin, Get into the coffin,
Speaker 2: and I love that he was just like cn hell
Speaker 2: he walks over Mark Man.
Speaker 1: He really just flew under the radar and did nothing
Speaker 1: this entire seasons.
Speaker 3: This was the dumbest choice for the kill until it
Speaker 3: was out to be brilliant. The episode kept going and
Speaker 3: then I was like, again, great.
Speaker 1: Great idea, perfect idea I thought for Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we talked about I thought it was probably gonna be
Speaker 1: Johnny or Terra. Me too, because you break up that alliance,
Speaker 1: but instead he actually kept it intact, which made it
Speaker 1: look worse for them, And that was so smart because.
Speaker 3: And got rid of arguably even though he was quiet
Speaker 3: probably the guy who was still the best player there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now now you're yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that they didn't quite I mean,
Speaker 1: we've been seen in the last couple of episodes, but
Speaker 1: I think it's been going on from the beginning is
Speaker 1: how much Mora and Rob were together and like how
Speaker 1: much she felt like. They kind of edited around that,
Speaker 1: I think for the first half of the season so
Speaker 1: that it would be a nice reveal at the end
Speaker 1: that that worked out the way it did. But I
Speaker 1: think he's been playing her since the beginning.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: She likes him.
Speaker 2: I think, yes, she where old time gets a little girl.
Speaker 1: That's what I like. Too. Brilliant says it. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, they think him the hot dumb guy. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm the hot, smart guy exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: And he knew she like.
Speaker 3: I think he absolutely knew she liked her and was
Speaker 3: flirting with her. And it's going to be flirting and
Speaker 3: milking that watching that. I know what you mean by
Speaker 3: the ick factor. But in my head, I was just like,
Speaker 3: he's it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: He's brilliant playing. It's so brilliant.
Speaker 4: He's my god.
Speaker 1: He deserves you after a while, you just deserve the win.
Speaker 2: Ye yeah.
Speaker 1: Crazy. So Mark gets in the coffin and then says
Speaker 1: forgets his post death interview. He says he's putting his
Speaker 1: money on Eric, which is a good call and probably
Speaker 1: too late. Mark should have spoken up a little bit more,
Speaker 1: or like we said, maybe he did and just got
Speaker 1: edited out.
Speaker 2: Either way, he was really ineffectual this season, And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he got edited out because I guess
Speaker 3: he's given interviews and stuff since where he's talked about
Speaker 3: how he literally would go go back to the hotel
Speaker 3: and he's like, I just had pages and pages of
Speaker 3: notes on anybody, on everybody, Wow. And I used to
Speaker 3: sit there and talk about my notes during the thing
Speaker 3: and they would just cut it out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they very selective in their storyline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as you have to be all right breakfast. Eric comes
Speaker 1: in alone, talks in his camera interview about how bad
Speaker 1: of a trader he is, which is hysterical.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 1: Maura comes in and well, she in her interview to camera,
Speaker 1: she admits that she's been cheated on by every boyfriend.
Speaker 2: And I went, oh god, that's where I kind of
Speaker 2: where this was going.
Speaker 1: And it's like, maybe you shouldn't like take that as
Speaker 1: a sign that you think, don't trust the guy that
Speaker 1: you're attracted to right now. And just because he's a
Speaker 1: cool dude and you like him, oh my god, man.
Speaker 3: Can wear overalls, not a reason to follow him into
Speaker 3: the gates of hell. I felt really, yeah, dude, Okay,
Speaker 3: it seemed like a rough one for you, writer, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like a rough one.
Speaker 1: For you, because you know, I was just it was
Speaker 1: I feel bad for her because you know, like she
Speaker 1: says she was embarrassed. She's embarrassing, she was a fool,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of true. Like it sucks, you know,
Speaker 1: and not because she's a bad person, because she trusted
Speaker 1: a dude who she was attracted to, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: So then Rob just comes in and this is exactly
Speaker 1: like last episode where he's just like Johnny Dentera, with
Speaker 1: no explanation, no evidence, no argument.
Speaker 2: He's just telling her how.
Speaker 1: To vote, and she's just like yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's literally saying we're gonna banish these two people in
Speaker 1: a row, which.
Speaker 2: Is like exactly what a trader would say.
Speaker 1: He doesn't give any arguments, he doesn't say any doubts,
Speaker 1: and he she's just following his confidence.
Speaker 3: And they cut it together this episode, especially in such
Speaker 3: a way where they're showing her doubts the whole way
Speaker 3: throughout the episode, so you really are wondering who she's
Speaker 3: going to vote for.
Speaker 1: No, I oh see, I was.
Speaker 3: I was her face when when he first said when
Speaker 3: he walked in, he's like looking at Eric right over
Speaker 3: at breakfast, He's like, first Johnny then Terror.
Speaker 1: She was like wait what like that came out of nowhere?
Speaker 2: See her problem her?
Speaker 1: She's such a follower, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like because every whoever she's talking to, she's kind of
Speaker 1: following them and just like okay, okay, okay, and yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think you know the party trusted Rob. That's
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 3: She trusted, the one guy you're not always say it's
Speaker 3: very warm under the wing of a dragon.
Speaker 1: So she trusted the wrong guy. And when do you
Speaker 1: think because I wasn't really clear that he was turning
Speaker 1: on Eric.
Speaker 2: Until literally the fire burned.
Speaker 3: Right, I oh see, I figured he was going to
Speaker 3: you figured he was one hundred percent one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So do you think he was whispering in her ear?
Speaker 1: Saying like it's definitely because the heat. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think the joy was he was letting Tara whisper
Speaker 3: into MOA's ear and then agreeing with Moura maybe it
Speaker 3: is Eric.
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't actually show it on camera, did he, because
Speaker 2: she's said he nods, he not.
Speaker 3: Just in the kitchen she goes, I think, gets Eric,
Speaker 3: and he goes okay, and that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all you need.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm on board making decision.
Speaker 1: Yes, then she makes this another one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: like that is a that is a hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: nod right there.
Speaker 3: And with Eric, he said that at the end, he goes,
Speaker 3: would you give one hundred grand to somebody you met
Speaker 3: three weeks ago?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 3: And remember I was also thinking about what Ben said
Speaker 3: when he when he came on the show, when he
Speaker 3: was like, yes, if you're a housewife, you know two
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty thousand dollars after taxes, you walk with
Speaker 3: what one forty five one fifty.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, if you have one hundred thy thousand dollars
Speaker 3: and you're Lisa Rinna, that doesn't mean anything or very little.
Speaker 3: You're Rob and you want to buy a farm and
Speaker 3: get married, and you came in whatever he did on
Speaker 3: Love Island, And yes, he's probably going to get endorsement
Speaker 3: deals and all that kind of stuff, but one.
Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty grand is nothing to sneeze at, right, well,
Speaker 2: end up being more right, it's like two twenty. I think,
Speaker 2: well it's too twenty before taxes.
Speaker 3: So my guess is after taxes and everything, you walk
Speaker 3: with probably one hundred and fifty grand.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that's that's going to be significant
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 3: And walking with one hundred and fifty grand is a
Speaker 3: lot different than walking with seventy five, which is what
Speaker 3: you would have done had Eric had he been like
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Eric, but no, He's like, I can,
Speaker 3: I can remove every piece off the board and I
Speaker 3: barely have to do everything.
Speaker 1: It's brilliant, he was.
Speaker 4: He's brilliant.
Speaker 1: Johnny and Tarrek came come in, and Johnny and his
Speaker 1: camera interview says, it's Eric and Rob.
Speaker 2: He nails it.
Speaker 1: He knows it, and it now just becomes for the
Speaker 1: rest of the episode really about who's going to get
Speaker 1: Maura to go on their side?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Like, yes, she was the this is what I love.
Speaker 3: She meant nothing for a lot the series. Yes, and
Speaker 3: now she's the crux of who's gonna wins. She was
Speaker 3: the most important character of this entire episode?
Speaker 4: Was Maura? Awesome?
Speaker 2: Awesome?
Speaker 1: After breakfast, Tara talks to Maura and says, it's Eric.
Speaker 2: He's too quiet.
Speaker 1: She has good arguments, which are totally accurate, that Eric
Speaker 1: has not spoken up enough, that he has not been strategic,
Speaker 1: and that he's just too quiet, which is exactly right.
Speaker 1: And then Mara says my favorite line, she doesn't want.
Speaker 2: Don't want to tink too much? Can't handle.
Speaker 1: Now here's my overall question.
Speaker 3: My overall question is when Rob chose Eric originally, was
Speaker 3: he already his head thinking this will be the easiest
Speaker 3: guy to burn? Like, did he already know that this
Speaker 3: was gonna be's Like I just moved another piece easiest
Speaker 3: thing in the world. I have a crappy trader who's
Speaker 3: gonna be bad at being a trader. Everyone's gonna start
Speaker 3: staring at him, so at the end, I can just
Speaker 3: cut ties with that guy and walk with everything.
Speaker 1: I think he did.
Speaker 3: Because he knew he would be a bad trader, but
Speaker 3: of course too quiet shift like he was just he
Speaker 3: wasn't good at being a trader.
Speaker 1: But don't you think he would have picked a more obvious,
Speaker 1: like villainous type at that point.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to know because it's perfect because it's also
Speaker 3: Eric would also do anything Rob told him to do, right,
Speaker 3: So it's I mean, he had control of them from
Speaker 3: day one, and it was just like now I'm gonna I,
Speaker 3: oh god, you have control of your fellow trader who
Speaker 3: looks like a shifty trader, and you're sidling up to
Speaker 3: the person that nobody thinks is a trader, which is Maura.
Speaker 3: And you have been the entire show, so you know,
Speaker 3: it's like you and me towards the end, you and
Speaker 3: me at the end. So you've got the numbers that Hugh.
Speaker 1: Genius. He's a genius. So then they're brought outside and
Speaker 1: this helicopter shows up and they have to pick two
Speaker 1: people to go in it. Mara's really into the helicopter
Speaker 1: for some red It's just like I want to be
Speaker 1: in there. And yeah, then Rob just gets in there.
Speaker 1: I can't believe he just what would you do? What
Speaker 1: would you do? Would you have stayed on the ground
Speaker 1: and gotten volunteered.
Speaker 2: For the chopper? I mean, the chopper is fun, Like
Speaker 2: I would jump chopper.
Speaker 1: That's more exciting, especially since I knew because they'd already
Speaker 1: made like a splashing reference, so you knew he was
Speaker 1: going to deal with water. I'm like, that's cold, man.
Speaker 1: But of course, then Robin's up completely in the water, Like.
Speaker 2: Would you have done that? Would you have jumped out
Speaker 2: of the chopper? No, I don't think I would.
Speaker 1: I think I might have, and I think maybe just
Speaker 1: for the sake of adventure, just closed my eyes and jumped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3: The whole time I'm sitting there going don't jump up,
Speaker 3: don't jump up, don't jump up, don't jump I had the.
Speaker 1: Same thought, man, just I would be so like, just
Speaker 1: keep my head down, would just duck and roll out exactly?
Speaker 1: Just so crazy thing. But yeah, nuts, they give him
Speaker 1: a chest and Rob brings it onto the helicopter and
Speaker 1: then this is where they you know, she brings up
Speaker 1: Eric in the helicopter, and I thought.
Speaker 2: He just kind of played it cool like he didn't.
Speaker 1: Also got his arm around her. Oh, this is where
Speaker 1: he's like fully flirting with her because he makes the like,
Speaker 1: I know how to make you hot or whatever.
Speaker 2: I want to take a hot bath.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll give you something hot.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: Oh, First of all, I'd also like to point out
Speaker 3: that if you are getting on a helicopter a plane,
Speaker 3: even if it's allan coming, never.
Speaker 1: Take luggage from somebody else.
Speaker 3: You know, he hands you the chest and then you
Speaker 3: see something, say something. Don't don't even for alan coming.
Speaker 3: Don't just take random luggage and get on and get
Speaker 3: on a flight.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. All right, So now they have to
Speaker 1: the other The others have to ride a boat out
Speaker 1: to pontoons and a lock yep beautiful luck awesome while
Speaker 1: it's raining because it starts pouring, and they have to
Speaker 1: find Scottish day. Yeah, Robin Mora have to drop the
Speaker 1: names from the helicopter. So they yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2: Did you get any of these?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Me neither anything Me neither.
Speaker 2: And I have a pretty good memory, do you see.
Speaker 1: I don't think I because I'm like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: remember things visually, so like when you ask like who
Speaker 1: was opposite couldn't get a jam jam. I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: any clue Like.
Speaker 3: You would have had you been sitting across from somebody
Speaker 3: for six.
Speaker 2: Hours, which is how long they were, which is.
Speaker 3: How long they were there at the Black Banquets, so
Speaker 3: you would have remember. But like for week one, Hey,
Speaker 3: what was the last often we put in like all
Speaker 3: that stuff, I would not have remembered any of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he was probably the least confident about that
Speaker 1: because that whether Yeah, it was the five dollars one yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they asked that question.
Speaker 1: They asked which player started and ended on a shield throne,
Speaker 1: which I don't even know what they were talking about.
Speaker 3: Don't you remember the one where they they're in the
Speaker 3: riding carriage and it's like, if you get the shield,
Speaker 3: somebody has to.
Speaker 2: Get off, right, you didn't get to get the Colton.
Speaker 1: Was the one?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah right right, yeah yeah yeah okay.
Speaker 1: And then which housewife had the most votes overall, which
Speaker 1: was Lisa. They get that right, So they get all
Speaker 1: of these right, they got them all right? I was amazed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then there's this uh cool like finale moment where
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, can you you want to jump
Speaker 1: out of the helicopter and get another twenty grand, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess if it really came down to just but
Speaker 1: I was like, Rob is having the best time. Hell,
Speaker 1: yes he is. I'm like, he's getting to fly that
Speaker 1: like after do the most exciting part.
Speaker 2: He's winning this game.
Speaker 1: This means he's going to get more money because he's
Speaker 1: going to be the trader at the end.
Speaker 2: And the beautiful Irish girl is in love with him.
Speaker 2: I e. It's like perfect castle time.
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely surprised how many people can't swim, Like when
Speaker 1: when Mara says like I can't swim, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: Like I just take it for granted that everybody can swim,
Speaker 1: but like, actually my mother in law can't swim really yeah,
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 2: Know, like she goes to pools, but it's just to
Speaker 2: like wade.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Have you said, let me teach you how to swim? Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I mean they during the pandemic. They lived with us
Speaker 1: and we were swimming every day with Indy teaching him
Speaker 1: how to swim and like getting better because he was only.
Speaker 2: Five, you know, and she, you know, no, doesn't do it.
Speaker 1: You know, but yeah, it's actually Columbia where I went
Speaker 1: to college, is it's the only college left that requires
Speaker 1: a swim test. You can't graduate from Columbia unless you
Speaker 1: can swim, which I think is kind of cool.
Speaker 2: That's it's such a weird thing to to like point.
Speaker 1: Is like this is a life skill, Like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: what's the point of having all this education if you're
Speaker 1: just gonna drown?
Speaker 2: You know, like you should know how to swim.
Speaker 1: And I think it's funny matter it's not. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course you can get out of it if you
Speaker 1: have a disability or which I'm sure would count. Even
Speaker 1: if you just had a phobia and didn't want to
Speaker 1: do it, you could get out. But they keep it
Speaker 1: as this nice like tradition that you have to pass
Speaker 1: a swim test in order to graduate, and I kind
Speaker 1: of love it. It's kind of like old school, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're a college educated I'm curious, what is the test?
Speaker 2: You just have to swim a couple of laps.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't have to do it because I ended
Speaker 1: up taking scuba as as a course.
Speaker 2: As and so something my vote stage, my sirt.
Speaker 1: My first day of scuba, they just allowed you know,
Speaker 1: I just swam like two laps and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's enough for the swim test, you qualify.
Speaker 2: But the regular test is like you get.
Speaker 1: Otherwise they have twim tests. Like at the as graduation years,
Speaker 1: they have like certain days of the week where everybody
Speaker 1: can go and just take the swim test and you
Speaker 1: just yeah, they just oversee you doing I think you
Speaker 1: just swim to one side of the pulling back like
Speaker 1: one one lab. Wow.
Speaker 2: I know, I think it's kind of cool, though I
Speaker 2: don't honestly think it's.
Speaker 3: Like I'm guessing that'll go away in the next ten
Speaker 3: years because people are going to be like, I shouldn't
Speaker 3: have to take my shirt off in front of other
Speaker 3: people to swim in and.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, okay, you know I actually haven't looked up.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's already gone away. But no, Columbia, what's can
Speaker 1: you know? Columbia's kind of known for holding to some
Speaker 1: of these old school ideas, like, for instance, they have
Speaker 1: two required courses that everybody who goes to Columbia has
Speaker 1: to take. One is a year long literature course where
Speaker 1: you study all and it's like the Great Books kind
Speaker 1: of you know, like so it starts with Western like
Speaker 1: it's all Western, but it's it'll start with like Homer
Speaker 1: and go all the way to the twentieth century by
Speaker 1: the end, and you have to do it a discussion groups.
Speaker 1: And then the second year long course you take your
Speaker 1: second year is called contemporary Civilization.
Speaker 2: It's all philosophy and politics.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. It's they're the greatest courses ever and they're
Speaker 1: they're they're very variable as far as how their talkers
Speaker 1: are mostly taught by like grad students or ta's because
Speaker 1: there's everybody has to take it.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of sections of it.
Speaker 1: But if you get a good teacher, or even if
Speaker 1: you don't, you have a great discussion group you know
Speaker 1: of fellow students.
Speaker 2: It is so much fun.
Speaker 1: And you know, we call the contemporary Civilization ends up
Speaker 1: being called cocktail conversation because the idea is like, really.
Speaker 2: This is just about like did you read Aristotle and religion?
Speaker 1: You know, it makes you sound smart, but I have
Speaker 1: to say it has come in handy like it is.
Speaker 1: Really there are plenty, especially like when it comes to
Speaker 1: like the Greek texts, I never would have read, sure,
Speaker 1: never would have read a play by Aristophanes I wouldn't have,
Speaker 1: you know, there's and instead I was forced to. And
Speaker 1: I loved a lot of this stuff, and I do
Speaker 1: feel like it's come up, you know, in life where
Speaker 1: this it's a good education.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have chosen somebody's texts to read.
Speaker 1: So I'm old school, like I'm kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm all about dismantling or criticizing the canon,
Speaker 1: but you should know the canon first.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, sure, of course.
Speaker 1: Question these books, like you know, especially because a lot
Speaker 1: of them are white men who you know, didn't want
Speaker 1: to hear from anybody else in the world.
Speaker 2: But you still should read their their thoughts still good.
Speaker 3: Anyway, now, but which which which one has come in
Speaker 3: more handy that class?
Speaker 2: Or swimming? Ah, I already.
Speaker 1: Could swim, so yeah, I mean, yeah, I would have
Speaker 1: died swimming.
Speaker 3: It's great, man, Like, that's the thing, like aristotines don't
Speaker 3: help you if you're in the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 1: Think about how Yeah, I mean there's so many. I mean,
Speaker 1: I go whitewater rafting. Yeah, you know, I'm not a
Speaker 1: big beach guy, but I went through a period where
Speaker 1: I was a surfer. It was in a surfing, like
Speaker 1: you just should everyone should know how to swim. I agree,
Speaker 1: but I'm surprised with reality shows how often people either
Speaker 1: don't swim or are just really bad, like they're just.
Speaker 2: Like h it seems like one of those life skills.
Speaker 1: Like so anyway, yeah, it else depends I think where
Speaker 1: you grow up. Oh no, you grew up.
Speaker 3: You grew up in the landlocked to city, city or
Speaker 3: city something like that.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I never learned how to swim that
Speaker 1: kind of totally. Yeah, or just access to a pool, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: like being able to afford if you know.
Speaker 2: Public polls are not what they used to be. Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, where were we?
Speaker 1: Okay, the flirting and the helicopters getting hot and heavy, yep,
Speaker 1: blatantly hot and heavy. He's playing it so well. Oh
Speaker 1: Rob jumps out of That's where we were. He jumps
Speaker 1: out of the helicopter. He has to swim pretty far
Speaker 1: in the cold water. And this is where I remember
Speaker 1: that Chad said the thing about the clock not being
Speaker 1: do you mind it too? He's I did too, But
Speaker 1: but do you remember what his evidence was or how
Speaker 1: he knew that? I think because he knew everything because
Speaker 1: it was so easy. How it was like ten seconds
Speaker 1: left and he's like, this does feel manipulated.
Speaker 3: He's like, didn't you notice how they always end with
Speaker 3: three seconds left and you watch and it was like
Speaker 3: three seconds left.
Speaker 2: It's way too convenient. Man. I literally turned over. Sue
Speaker 2: was watching with me.
Speaker 1: I late leaned over.
Speaker 3: I was like, the clock is fake. He's going to
Speaker 3: end three seconds left and yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: I feel that upsets me a little.
Speaker 1: Did they ever do a challenge this whole thing where
Speaker 1: they lost because of the clock. Did that ever happen?
Speaker 1: I feel like it did in the cabin.
Speaker 2: Did they run out? I think in the cabin they
Speaker 2: might have when they did all the horror stuff.
Speaker 3: I feel like they can't remember, but I feel like
Speaker 3: there was one that that that's something. The clock did
Speaker 3: mess him up somehow, But for the most part they
Speaker 3: got it in just into the wire.
Speaker 1: Oh last season and then I don't know.
Speaker 2: I yeah, it seems like you seempulative. Yeah, idea. They
Speaker 2: looked cold, dude, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You're a lock in the rain, but they were shivering uncontrollably.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, this is and these are ice
Speaker 1: hockey gold medal champions, but they are shivering like that
Speaker 1: in the in the rain, so it was it was chili.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Then they all head back, dry off Terra and Johnny pow.
Speaker 2: Wow, they totally trust one another. Well, first of all,
Speaker 2: there's the car ride back.
Speaker 3: The car ride back where Tara is like trying to
Speaker 3: get Eric to see and even I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: lie better. Yeah, Eric is just he was bad at
Speaker 3: lie just lie better. But again, all this works in
Speaker 3: Rob's finger.
Speaker 4: Yeah yep.
Speaker 1: And then once they get back, Maura lies right to
Speaker 1: Eric's face, huh, which was super interesting to watch her,
Speaker 1: you know, go on one hand, be like with a
Speaker 1: little like questioning whether he is a trader or not,
Speaker 1: lie right to his face. And then I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like this is where Rob knows exactly what's going
Speaker 1: to happen for the rest of the night, because he's like, oh.
Speaker 2: She is blind him and totally trusting me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing.
Speaker 3: They all agreed that they thought they believed anyway, that
Speaker 3: there were two traders left.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Maura then, because Rob says too, votes for Tara, Johnny
Speaker 3: and Eric.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she knows she's voting a faithful out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it just if just by the law
Speaker 3: of there's two of you left, she voted for three
Speaker 3: different people that Rob wonder too, because.
Speaker 1: She says she says she thinks that Eric is a
Speaker 1: trader and so is Johnny, which just makes no sense
Speaker 1: because why would Johnny be voting for Eric if those
Speaker 1: were the two traders? Right, So her logic, it's like,
Speaker 1: but it's also then why vote for Tara? Exactly because
Speaker 1: Rob said, so it's right following along just like I
Speaker 1: suspect everybody.
Speaker 2: But Rob, but we're gonna be Yeah, we're gonna everybody
Speaker 2: else up there, and we're going to traders or you're right,
Speaker 2: But she's just gonna take one.
Speaker 3: She just said they they made they pinky swore, which
Speaker 3: again is binding in seventeen US states and I think
Speaker 3: most of Europe they pinky swore they'd go to the
Speaker 3: end together. So they just voted everybody else. Rob is like,
Speaker 3: it's just be us, It's just be us. Oh it
Speaker 3: is icky, yeah, see, but in a wonderful way.
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful ick.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Then we're at the roundtable.
Speaker 1: Rob brings up Uh, Tara, and Johnny. Then Johnny Uh
Speaker 1: is pretty spot on with.
Speaker 3: His argument I will say this though, if you're gonna
Speaker 3: play this game, don't do anything sketchy right off the bat,
Speaker 3: And when you come in and you're best friends, and
Speaker 3: you go out of your way to make to pretend
Speaker 3: you're not best friends, to then come back later to go,
Speaker 3: we're best friends and we've been pretending we haven't been.
Speaker 3: Then all the traders need to do is keep pointing
Speaker 3: to that. Look, you're the only one who did anything sketchy.
Speaker 1: Just you too. Yep, it's a stupid thing to do.
Speaker 1: And Rob lays it out perfectly at the roundtable when
Speaker 1: he says they would have even if one of them
Speaker 1: wasn't a trader to begin with, they would have recruited
Speaker 1: one another because of their friendship, which is exactly right,
Speaker 1: and just once you're once you think of that through.
Speaker 1: Not that he really needs to make that complicated of
Speaker 1: an argument, because I MAA would have voted with him
Speaker 1: no matter what.
Speaker 2: But it is a great argument.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's finally he's actually giving an argument,
Speaker 1: which like before when he was just like first Johnny
Speaker 1: don terror, he wasn't saying this clearly. But that's a
Speaker 1: great argument, and all he needs to convince right now
Speaker 1: is Mara. That's literally the only person he's arguing too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which insane.
Speaker 3: And the second they voted Johnny out, he knew he won.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's it, he knew he had won.
Speaker 3: Oh so they banished Johnny, who was pissed and who
Speaker 3: had it right for the first time had it right?
Speaker 2: It was Eric and Rob.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he'll feel vindicated now. And then so after
Speaker 1: they banished Johnny, Tara goes to Maura and says.
Speaker 2: It's Rob, which gets a little bit of doubt.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they play this up.
Speaker 1: But I love how they did it.
Speaker 3: They just keep cutting to her and that she becomes
Speaker 3: the most important character in the show. They just keep
Speaker 3: cutting her, going like what if I'm wrong?
Speaker 1: What if I'm wrong? The whole time? Oh yeah, every
Speaker 1: boyfriend cheated on her, that's what she said. She's just
Speaker 1: got horrible trust issues as well. She should.
Speaker 3: I mean, my god, if every boyfriend you've been with
Speaker 3: is cheated on you, your your your your pick and stick
Speaker 3: is bad.
Speaker 1: So then they go into this final fire moment and
Speaker 1: they do that interesting thing where they just got to
Speaker 1: sit down with Alan before you know, they go into
Speaker 1: the finale and he sort of gets a little quote
Speaker 1: from both of them. Marra's looking like a robot dominatrix.
Speaker 3: I noticed that too, like like she just come out
Speaker 3: of the matrix. Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: It was also like it made her, like her arms
Speaker 2: and everything look.
Speaker 1: Metal, you know what.
Speaker 3: It was like it was a good look, but it
Speaker 3: was a great look. She's a stunningly beautiful woman.
Speaker 1: The other thing that it finally clicked to me because
Speaker 1: I'm always like, God, Alan coming, amazing, fabulous, but who
Speaker 1: does he remind me of?
Speaker 3: Who does he remind me of? And I finally realized
Speaker 3: that today Caesar Flickerman. He Caesar Flickerman, he hosts the
Speaker 3: Hunger Games.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've never seen them.
Speaker 3: It was Stanley Tucci plays the carrot, plays the part,
Speaker 3: and that's exactly.
Speaker 2: He's Caesar Flickerman from the Hunger Games.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so yeah, because that has like a whole
Speaker 1: game show element to it. And he's big and brag
Speaker 1: he's got these big teeth and he's like, it's just
Speaker 1: he's Caesar Flickerman for from the Hunger Games. And it
Speaker 1: was I was watching this episode like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's that's who he is. Well, even before he lit up.
Speaker 1: My note was Alan is a blue Christmas tree, because
Speaker 1: that's what he looked like, or like at least like
Speaker 1: a Christmas tree skirt, and then he lit.
Speaker 2: It up at the end. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I love it. You just walking Christmas tree.
Speaker 1: I love it when Rob is back in his overalls
Speaker 1: with his snake arms showing those are stress, feeling himself
Speaker 1: to be a snake. Yeah. Yeah, everybody did a whole
Speaker 1: did a sketch on Instagram or on on TikTok or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's it's him waking up in the castle to
Speaker 1: get ready and then walking down in his own overalls
Speaker 1: and no shirt and then seeing Rob wearing his.
Speaker 2: And going, god damn, it has a good change.
Speaker 1: So funny, that's so funny. Yeah, he's been doing some
Speaker 1: great sketches. I don't know if you've been catching them,
Speaker 1: but I have not. I got it, we need to.
Speaker 1: He did one where he has PTSD and he's like
Speaker 1: at an engagement party eating cake with friends and then
Speaker 1: thinking they're all traders, Like you're a trader and you're
Speaker 1: where's allan He's coming out and you're it's so funny,
Speaker 1: like Ron.
Speaker 2: You're not in the castle, well, they're already doing that.
Speaker 3: I saw a commercial this morning for Sonic, which is
Speaker 3: Rob showing up at Lisa Rinna's house with Sonic going.
Speaker 2: Then she's like, I'm not letting you in here, snake, and.
Speaker 3: He's like, I brought Sonic and she's like, all right,
Speaker 3: come on, like it's that whole thing. Yeah, they're all
Speaker 3: they're capitalizing money. No more money, of course, of course,
Speaker 3: but we've got to have we've got to have them
Speaker 3: on the show as many of them we can get,
Speaker 3: because I want to talk to some people.
Speaker 2: About what's going on.
Speaker 1: All Right, they get around this fire. The option is
Speaker 1: whether to banish again or and.
Speaker 2: Too you go down to two and then you can't
Speaker 2: banish anymore.
Speaker 1: So but one by one they all burn red because
Speaker 1: they all have a theory. There's a there's traders among them.
Speaker 1: And the votes are completely predictable. Marra votes Tara, which
Speaker 1: means Tara's banished. She I didn't think those are predictable.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe mad Maara had changed her mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then this is where I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to end. I really didn't think that. I thought that
Speaker 1: she was, you know, in Rob's pocket enough, but still
Speaker 1: not convinced that Eric was was a trader. But and
Speaker 1: that's why I think he was probably in moments that
Speaker 1: they downplayed getting her to turn on Eric, more than
Speaker 1: he played than he actually.
Speaker 3: Possible because I meant red too, because he could.
Speaker 1: Have just let her burn red, right and when then
Speaker 1: they still have to vote, and at that point he
Speaker 1: could just say, Okay, Eric, I will vote. But the
Speaker 1: fact that he burns red and she burns red for
Speaker 1: the second time means that he's going all in for
Speaker 1: this move with her, which means I think that he
Speaker 1: was saying a little bit more than.
Speaker 3: He maybe quite possibly, we're going to do this and
Speaker 3: then this, and then we're going to win the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And I think he played it hard because he could
Speaker 1: have easily because you know, also he would have had
Speaker 1: the same result by burning green at this point, like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, like and Eric would have been
Speaker 1: But and this is what gets weird for me, is
Speaker 1: like they burned red and now they have to go
Speaker 1: around and vote. Yeah, and what can Eric say? But
Speaker 1: why can't he just say, Maria, you're you know, he's
Speaker 1: a trader.
Speaker 3: I know he's a trader, Like he can't I don't
Speaker 3: think no, because the only because I think when you
Speaker 3: take the trader's oath, you're not allowed to say, like
Speaker 3: to ever reveal, right, like because Lisa Rinna, then walking
Speaker 3: out could be like, by the way, Rob's a trader too.
Speaker 3: We were in the tower together, right, like, you're not
Speaker 3: allowed to do that. So but he did say, but
Speaker 3: he can't argue. I mean, he did say to her,
Speaker 3: as you know, as he said he does think about
Speaker 3: the one person you haven't looked at around this tape totally.
Speaker 1: But see that's what I mean. Why doesn't he Why
Speaker 1: can't he make an argument like you're gonna vote me out?
Speaker 1: It's actually I mean, I think if there's a Trader
Speaker 1: left among us, it's Rob.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't even keep.
Speaker 3: He tried, I mean, because then he votes for Rob.
Speaker 3: So that's what he's trying to do. That's where he's like,
Speaker 3: think about it. You get to think about who's the
Speaker 3: person yet yeah, yeah, but that's also exactly what a
Speaker 3: trader would do. I mean, if I was Rob, I'd
Speaker 3: be like, because he looks at her and he's like
Speaker 3: he shakes his head like that's ridiculous, because of course
Speaker 3: he's got to keep playing it like no, of course,
Speaker 3: that's what a trader's gonna do. He's gonna try to
Speaker 3: get you to vote for me, and then he wins
Speaker 3: all the money. Where you know you and I are
Speaker 3: still faithfuls, let's just win this thing together, like we said,
Speaker 3: we're gonna even.
Speaker 2: Go from there. Well, Eric is you know what? He
Speaker 2: has this interesting quote of like speech.
Speaker 1: To camera about how relationships matter more than the money
Speaker 1: or the game, and it doesn't feel good to him.
Speaker 1: I disagree. He was just he just got out played. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying for him, he didn't get a shit
Speaker 1: about related. He wouldn't have cared at all. Had they won,
Speaker 1: it would have been a whole different thing.
Speaker 3: But he then got you know that he and he
Speaker 3: and a guy planned a bank robbery. They got in
Speaker 3: there there right about to walk out the door, and
Speaker 3: the guy turned to and said give me your money too,
Speaker 3: and that pissed him off. And so then it's well,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done that bullshit. I think if you'd
Speaker 3: thought about it, you.
Speaker 2: Really, I don't think I would have done it.
Speaker 3: I think I would have just gone with your other trader.
Speaker 3: So then you would have split the money with your trader.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a there's a possibility I would have too,
Speaker 3: like I would have there's a you know, the loyalty
Speaker 3: among thieves kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I guess there's a possibility I would have done that
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: But here's my question. Could they banish Mara. They wouldn't
Speaker 2: have needed to, but they could have. They could have,
Speaker 2: But they why.
Speaker 3: Because because again, if there's one trader left, then if
Speaker 3: she burned.
Speaker 1: Red and and and they burned green because they thought
Speaker 1: that they were going to win, they then at that point,
Speaker 1: couldn't they just both vote for her?
Speaker 2: Traders win?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: But the traders win anyway, because if one trader's there, right,
Speaker 3: then the traders win.
Speaker 2: But I think I think if Erica I see this game,
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it feels so random to me.
Speaker 2: It does not feel like that much of a strategy game.
Speaker 1: Oh I see. I think he's perfectly showing you what
Speaker 1: the strategy is. He literally it was.
Speaker 3: He was one of twenty four people, and over the
Speaker 3: time he was there, one by one, he removed every
Speaker 3: single person in the game until he was the last
Speaker 3: person standing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what But That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, other than these he still had got to vote, right, yes,
Speaker 2: secret trader.
Speaker 3: So I mean, one by one he systematically got every
Speaker 3: piece off the board until he was the last person
Speaker 3: standing and.
Speaker 1: Walked with all the money.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, incredible, diabolical. We have the moment where
Speaker 2: it's revealed to her that he's a trader. Oh yeah, Oh,
Speaker 2: it was so delicious.
Speaker 1: It had to be fattening. It was just and it's fair.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna have a girlfriend after this is such
Speaker 1: a good liad man. Yeah. But then she's but good
Speaker 1: for him, Yeah, and I appreciate that she did seem
Speaker 1: to just come around and say like whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: But but I just love it. She's calling him a
Speaker 1: snake and the guy has a literal snake on his arm,
Speaker 1: like yes, And.
Speaker 3: I love always, like I've been a trader from the beginning,
Speaker 3: like the whole time, I've been a trader. But she
Speaker 3: it's so rare that you see a moment on television
Speaker 3: that you know is going to be a meme forever,
Speaker 3: and her face is going to be a meme forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's like you maybe.
Speaker 2: Look so stupid, and they're like, no, we didn't you
Speaker 2: kind of n a little bit it's like I'm a fool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And again it's this is where the morality play
Speaker 3: comes in, because it's like, were you a fool or
Speaker 3: were you a decent trusting person?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly, And so if you're a decent trusting person,
Speaker 2: you're not a fool.
Speaker 1: You you know, you get to walk your head inclined.
Speaker 1: It seemed like, yes, a part of this was that
Speaker 1: it was kind of a love connection. The use you're
Speaker 1: going to trust that, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's pretty crappy, you know, the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I feel like it's one thing
Speaker 1: to like play a logical cold game where you're out
Speaker 1: matching somebody. It's another to like kind of like sleep
Speaker 1: with the enemy, which I don't know, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think they actually slept together though, but play on
Speaker 1: the heart.
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of like heart strains and flairness
Speaker 2: and like, I like, so I'm going to use it.
Speaker 3: Hell yes, I think Eric probably looked up to him
Speaker 3: a little bit like an older brother. It's like, I'm
Speaker 3: going to use that relationship. I'm going to use she's
Speaker 3: got a crush on me, I'm going to use that relationship.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's I mean, that's the That's how you
Speaker 3: win at these things is you're cold hearted at least
Speaker 3: that's how you win as a trader. Like again, last season,
Speaker 3: it was for people that you really liked, including Dylan Efron,
Speaker 3: who by the end, my wife and I both would
Speaker 3: have dated the guy where we're like, the nicest guy,
Speaker 3: most honest, Yes, the faithful's one.
Speaker 1: That's great. That's awesome.
Speaker 3: They got everybody and they trusted each other to all
Speaker 3: throw green at the end like they they got it
Speaker 3: this time. This guy was playing so well that I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm in. I'm all in on the villain winning.
Speaker 2: My favorite line when he's at the end, like, now,
Speaker 2: I just have to find a nice girl who hasn't
Speaker 2: watched too much to.
Speaker 1: Watch too much DV.
Speaker 2: It's so true, man, how are you gonna come back
Speaker 2: from this?
Speaker 3: Apparently, according to my wife who's in the no, he's
Speaker 3: dating somebody now, which I think is a terrible thing.
Speaker 3: Because we were talking to Ben who said that if
Speaker 3: this guy became the next Bachelor, it would be the
Speaker 3: biggest Bachelor season in the history of the show, which
Speaker 3: is saying something that show's enormous, right, So I mean
Speaker 3: this guy, you know, hopefully he'll break up with whoever
Speaker 3: is with now so you can get on The Bachelor.
Speaker 1: Come on, watch it, Rob. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Treach.
Speaker 4: I haven't either.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll watch it eventually. Literally never seen a
Speaker 1: single episode. Well treacherous, Treacherous my friend, I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: will you do next season?
Speaker 2: Don't know, I don't. I think I don't think the
Speaker 2: challenges are integrated well enough.
Speaker 1: Those need to be changed. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: you're going to appreciate. I think after you watch Survivor,
Speaker 1: you're going to appreciate the kind of gameplay that that requires.
Speaker 2: And it's a different it's it's there's.
Speaker 3: A there's a there's a it's still a backstabbing and
Speaker 3: manipulating in alliances and yes, but it's there.
Speaker 1: It's it's there's something about it because they're the challenges
Speaker 1: are so linked to the actual gameplay, right, Like you
Speaker 1: only have to vote people out if you fail at
Speaker 1: the challenge, the immunity challenge, like especially as a tribe. Okay,
Speaker 1: so like when it gets to the individual game, it
Speaker 1: is similar to traders, but at that point you've already
Speaker 1: been through so much you start working together as a tribe,
Speaker 1: and also like you only have to vote somebody out
Speaker 1: because you have to, like it's not I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's the game doesn't require you to lie to people's
Speaker 1: face the way the Traders is like literally built on
Speaker 1: perception line and the whole thing is about who's lying
Speaker 1: and who's not survivor.
Speaker 2: You can play it kind of a multitude of ways.
Speaker 1: You could play very honorably and upfront you probably won't last,
Speaker 1: but you can't.
Speaker 3: Right, has anybody won playing honorably and upfront? Yeah, yeah, sure, okay,
Speaker 3: for sure, Yeah, so that's possible.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, there are times, well here's the thing, honorable
Speaker 1: and upfront to their select group because you ultimately do
Speaker 1: have to vote. But there have been times when it
Speaker 1: gets down to the final three and they all love
Speaker 1: each other and they all respect one another, and they're like,
Speaker 1: well one of us, you know, and they have to
Speaker 1: have one winner, but they actually are like, way we
Speaker 1: got here together, like we did work together. We never
Speaker 1: lied to one another, like we made a promise and
Speaker 1: we kept it that you know, ultimately that does happen,
Speaker 1: Like that's something you know, But if anybody split the money.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like, that's what I wonder that
Speaker 1: can you can you say like sure, once it's your money,
Speaker 1: I can be like, hey, they just gave me a
Speaker 1: million dollars, I can give you three in a grand
Speaker 1: you know, like that's on me. They can't tell me
Speaker 1: I can't give you money mine, right, So yeah, but
Speaker 1: I get my guess is they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we got her together. Can I have some money?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, you can't.
Speaker 3: I think because this is our last episode, my wills
Speaker 3: history reeve trade her. I wanted the song to be special,
Speaker 3: but I also wanted to find what I think most
Speaker 3: people maybe would agree is the biggest trader in history,
Speaker 3: or at least considered the biggest trader in history. And
Speaker 3: I fought with this because you could go the American
Speaker 3: route with somebody like Benedict Arnold, you could go Marcus Brutus,
Speaker 3: you know, a two brute.
Speaker 2: There's several ways to go.
Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people would not disagree
Speaker 3: with the final trader we're going to talk about, and
Speaker 3: that is, of course, do you have a guess?
Speaker 2: No, those are the only two that I really know.
Speaker 3: Judas is Scariot of course, so no name is more
Speaker 3: synonymous with treachery than that of Judas is Scariot. He
Speaker 3: was one of the Twelve Apostles, but according to the
Speaker 3: New Testament, he betrayed Jesus for thirty silver pieces to
Speaker 3: the Roman overlords.
Speaker 1: However, here's the interesting thing.
Speaker 3: Lately, in the last twenty twenty five years, there have
Speaker 3: been some revisions to the Judas story with the discovery
Speaker 3: of the Gnostic texts called the Gospel of Judas, which
Speaker 3: depicts Judas as an obedient servant of Jesus. And these
Speaker 3: texts actually described conversations between Judas and Jesus that suggests
Speaker 3: that Jesus himself instructed Judas to betray him to the
Speaker 3: Romans so that he could be sacrificed. Again, it does
Speaker 3: not change the fact that when you think of traders,
Speaker 3: you go it's it's pretty hard pressed to find anybody
Speaker 3: work if you're a Judas. Way to go, Judas, So
Speaker 3: you've made it to the top of our list, Judas Iscariot.
Speaker 2: What would you want your name to be associated with? Like, oh,
Speaker 2: you totally fredeled it up? Are you will?
Speaker 3: Forred Dell to you pulled a Ford del something funny,
Speaker 3: like pulling a joke out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Maybe like that was a great for Dell or Fidelism,
Speaker 1: something like that. How about you winning like every award
Speaker 1: you know, like like the you got, like you a
Speaker 1: Nobel Peace Prize and a Pulitzer.
Speaker 2: I don't know, so you know some you won.
Speaker 3: You won the Driving at Lamonde and a Nobel Peace Prize. Congratulations. WHOA,
Speaker 3: that's great?
Speaker 1: Okay, well yeah, yeah, you you directed a movie that
Speaker 1: was the highest grossing film and won the Academy Award
Speaker 1: for Best Picture. So that's like a James Cameron right,
Speaker 1: like you cameroned it. Okay, that would be pretty great.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 2: So next season you're in, You're not in.
Speaker 1: I'm I don't think I'm in, man, I mean I
Speaker 1: I do like the idea of civilians.
Speaker 2: That interests me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's coming next because they will come in with
Speaker 1: less baggage and I think be less performative in certain ways,
Speaker 1: and and I think there will be more character revelation
Speaker 1: as opposed to fulfillment of their pre established role, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. So that's that does interest me,
Speaker 2: and I think I'll give it a shot. I'll give
Speaker 2: it a shot completely.
Speaker 1: One agree with you that the game needs to be tweaked. Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: I think the challenge thing is just not interesting.
Speaker 1: And I mean the set pieces are cool, they look cool,
Speaker 1: but they've been they're just the money thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think Chad is absolutely right, like the money
Speaker 1: is not that it should not be a part of it,
Speaker 1: or shouldn't in the same way. You know there should
Speaker 1: be money, but it shouldn't be so tied to That's
Speaker 1: all you're doing in the challenges is increasing or decreasing
Speaker 1: your prize money, right, all right, Well that is it
Speaker 1: for this season of pod Meats twirled. Alliances were tested,
Speaker 1: trust misplaced, and we weren't left with the cliffhanger unless
Speaker 1: we wonder about Rob's life afterwards.
Speaker 2: It will have her final love.
Speaker 1: Join us next time as we take on Survivor season fifty.
Speaker 2: That's all I got.
Speaker 1: That's all you got. You're not going to go out
Speaker 1: with the with the the final final Scottish play.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Fine, Yeah, this has been season four of Traders, a
Speaker 1: show in which, as Shakespeare said in his Scottish play,
Speaker 1: fair is foul and foul is fair.
Speaker 2: I think fair is foul. I take it's fou too fair,
Speaker 2: That was foul.
Speaker 1: We picky swre we pick
Speaker 3: H