WEBVTT - Pod Meets Twirl'd: The Traitors 411 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.640 Welcome to Pod Meets Twirl, the podcast from two guys 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:13.600 who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.319 Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.480 now we've turned to Traders, another show that I had 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.760 never seen, while Will was convinced that he could win it. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.040 We are Wilfredell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, one 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:32.040 a TV expert, one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.839 join us as one more time. We step into a 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.440 castle full of lies, alliances, and over. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:39.519 The top wardrobe choices. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:44.800 This is the finale of Pod meets twirld Trading Places. Oh, 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:45.559 it's finale. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:50.040 That's how you pronounce it. I was saying, finally, finally, finally. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:54.520 Well, this has been quite a journey man. Wow. Yeah 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:56.600 I am. I'm very excited. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.480 We've already announced this, but we're moving on into Survivor 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:01.560 and I'm glad. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.119 I I want to get out of this castle. Really, yeah, 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:06.760 I want to get into the castle. 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:11.440 I know you do I ultimately, and we had a 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:17.680 great conversation with Chad about this. Yeah, and I think this, this, 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:23.600 this game needs work. I think Traders is pretty flawed 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.840 as a game. Wow, I think it's a it's it's 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.240 it's especially this season, and maybe it's less so when 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.600 it's civilians or a different set of celebrities. But this 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:37.080 felt very reality show heavy, you know, like it felt 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.920 more like I don't know, I mean the fact that 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.360 we have two Love Island people at the end, right, Like, 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:47.720 just it just felt more performative and also left me 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:49.680 a little itchy feeling at the end, even. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.240 I think you're kind of supposed to feel a little itchy. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:56.120 Yeah, I guess there's a total factor to it, absolutely. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.360 I know. I think that there's like a camp quality 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.080 to it, you know that that I've loved and enjoyed, 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.640 But that camp quality didn't detract that at the end 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.880 of the day, it's a show about people lying to 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.080 each other's faces, and I just I just still don't 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.760 like that, right, Sure, No, I don't like that. I 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.120 don't like feeling like I'm on the side of liars 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.480 and I don't I don't blame them, Like I really 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.280 don't think Rob is a bad person, like at all, 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.520 Like I mean, I don't think, I don't think anybody. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.720 But it's also like it just puts them in this 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:31.160 position that make that the strength yeah, and yeah. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.360 I mean we've said at the beginning that I would 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:34.120 be bad on this show. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.720 But wait, Devil's Advocate, could you go the way you 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.600 tell you and Danielle were always talking to me about 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.960 Dancing with the Stars. Where it's like if you just 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.480 went in and thought of it as like a role, right, 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.160 wouldn't that be the role you're playing on Traders is 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.480 as an actor, You're playing the treacherous guy, you're playing 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.720 the villain, You're playing the sociopath. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.160 No, that's the thing, and and I think that's why 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.359 that the camp be campiness is like the fun and 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.639 like make it so over the top with like mad 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:04.720 Dad and you know the way like he. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.519 Just like slams their pictures down. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.359 Like all of that I think is the only way 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.240 that it's manageable that you're playing a really psychotic game otherwise, right, 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.919 But I don't think it ultimately can't remove the fact 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.040 that it's still a show about, you know, a lie. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.080 And maybe maybe because this is my first season and 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.040 the Traders. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.560 Won spoiler, I mean, we're here. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:27.400 Hope, you know. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.800 But like the the fact that the Traders won, I 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:32.679 wonder if I would feel the exact opposite if the 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:33.840 Faithful had one right, because. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.040 Which is what happened last season is all four faithfuls 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.000 one and they were like we did it, we did it, 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.200 we did it together, Like look how good we were. 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.840 It would feel like a triumph of honestly. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:43.680 The spirit and honesty. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.360 Where this year, I was like, I was so he 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.760 was playing so well that I was like I want 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:51.760 to see him go the entire way and I was 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:52.960 I was calling every move. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:53.960 I was like, oh, now if he. 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:55.720 Does this, I'm like, he can't do this, it's brilliant. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.200 If he does I'm like, oh my god, it's incredible. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.720 It was incredible all the way around. But yeah, the 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.480 last last season, all the Faithful did win, and there 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.080 was like this, we can do it. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.800 We did it together. Whereas watching this man cut through 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:13.440 these people with like this scythe of deceit is just magical. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.839 I don't know, I you know, we've talked about how 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.640 reality has gotten less exploitative and people kind of know 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.719 what they're signing up for. But the look on Mora's 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:28.200 face was like pretty devastating, and that it made me. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.000 I watched it. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.800 I watched it three times because it was it's also 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:39.119 as horrible as it sounds, it's a beautifully honest moment 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.159 in television. I mean, you watched this woman because at 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.719 first you saw the look in her face where she's like, well, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.800 you're joking, like this can't be right, and then when 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:52.400 she realized it was that look of weight. She was gutted, 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.480 and it's always it was my favorite part of it, 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.400 which oh my god, though it because she said it 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.400 like it was a legal binding contract. 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:00.960 She went, your pinky s. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:08.320 You pinky promised, you promise, legal contract, you promise. Now 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.080 you gotta lose a pinky. Now we take the pinky, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:11.560 Now we. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:12.360 Take the man. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.680 I don't know, Like it reminded me of Joshmo Season one, 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:17.480 which I'm pretty sure you watched, right. 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:19.840 I can, I can quote it. I loved that show. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.240 And do you remember how devastated he was to find 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.799 out that the one guy who was like his best friend. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.520 It was like hold on, hold on, yeah if he 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:31.440 was not happy, you know, and like I think years later, 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.520 which I don't know, I don't know what the end 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.119 result was, but I remember watching that multiple times because 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.760 he when they revealed it, he went, are you kidding us? 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.560 And grabbed that guy and then was like wait what 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.919 and then looked at him and it's pretty awful, And 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.600 it felt similar in this this moment, I was like, 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:50.599 yeah again. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.960 I also I am one of those people where if 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.680 you're going to sign up for one of these reality shows, 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:58.480 then whatever happens is on you. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.120 Well, with Joe Shmo, that was very manipulated. They were 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:02.200 actually lying to him. 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.039 Right right, but they were, but they knew he was 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.280 going to you were You're going to a reality show 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.120 where you're gonna sit in a in a thing. Also, 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:09.800 the thing that I loved about josh Mo show, the 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.440 original one, was the reason people loved him and he 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.080 made it to the end. The way that he did 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.359 is everything they threw at him, and every step of 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.480 the way he made the right choice as a decent 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:20.520 person totally. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:21.719 He never screwed anybody. 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:22.160 He never. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.640 Amazing, amazing, and that was you know, it's the same 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.719 with like, I know, Jerry Duty. I didn't actually watch 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:30.200 the whole season. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:32.440 I've never seen it. I heard it was good, but 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.560 I think, you know, I think that is always the point, right, 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.680 It's like they don't want to make somebody. 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:37.239 Look that bad. 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.880 It's candy camera it's still lying, it's still manipulating, and 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:41.560 I don't. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.440 I just but again it's it's candid camera. That's a 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.120 hidden a hidden camera show that's punked. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:48.080 That's what I mean. 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:48.880 That's what these things are. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.919 I don't like any of them. I get a with 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.040 all of them. It's funny. 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.440 I'm not a huge fan of him either, but I'm 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.520 okay with people like at least in this case, you're 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.680 knowing what you're as as Alan Coming says at the end, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.880 the show is called Traders. So the worst one was 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.320 a show called Film Fakers. Did you ever see that? 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:07.800 No? 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:12.160 So it was my dear friend and amazing actor that 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.320 I've worked with. He's in my new Red Weather podcast. 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.640 Chris Wilde was from this as an actor. And what 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:23.560 they would do is create fake movies and hire actors 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.280 and convince them that they were making a horrible movie 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.360 that these actors would commit to not knowing that everyone 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.720 on the crew was an actor pretending to make a movie. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.240 I felt it was so they were always like twenty somethings, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:41.880 young twenty somethings who a big role and like, you know, 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:43.960 like they did like a horror movie that was like 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.680 you know, so ridiculously dumb. But they would write whole 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.160 scripts and they would actually go out with a camera 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.400 crew and be shooting scenes, but then meanwhile be shooting 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.760 a behind the scenes documentary the making of this movie, 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.920 which is the actual reality show. And they would do 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.679 multiple days of shooting before they revealed to these actors 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.240 that like, haha, you're actually on a reality show. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:03.160 You don't have the career. 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.400 Like the moment you thought that, yeah, that's what mean man, 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:10.000 and Chris felt really bad about it. He kept going 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:11.480 and he you know, did his job, but he was 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.200 also like, this feels weird because you're you're you're taking 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.320 advantage of actors commitment to their art, which sucks. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:21.000 Now do you believe that anybody on Traders was being 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:21.880 taken advantage of? 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.720 No? I mean, and that's the thing. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:24.000 I mean. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.040 Morris says that at the end, she she she calls 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.440 him a bad man or whatever, but then she says 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.760 like it's the name of the show. Yea. She so 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.920 I think she you know, but she also just needs 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.319 it is more than anything, a reality check on her 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.560 own inability to judge people's character. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:40.160 I know. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.360 But of course, but if you if you sign up 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.440 for a show called Stabbing Castle and you get stabbed 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.800 that's on you, so you know what I mean. It's like, uh, yeah, 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:51.920 are the filmfakers that would that sound? 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.880 That sounds a yeah? I don't yeah, I would never Yeah. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.360 There was another one called Scare Tactics, where they would 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:03.000 like create crazy scary situations, like somebody would pick you know, 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.800 and it would always be like one person would be 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.440 in on it, and they would bring their friend to 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.840 like the desert for a party and then like aliens 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.439 would invade. Oh and they like and they would get 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.400 and it was so funny because what you saw they 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.800 put people in really scary situations that were you know, 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.439 other world like a ghost or a zombie or an alien. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.839 But what was amazing is that often people's reactions were 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:28.520 pretty unentertaining because like when somebody's really scared, especially men, 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:29.480 they shut down. 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.079 It's like you go into fight or flight. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.840 So you don't get like somebody screaming, like it's more 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.080 like oh God, I'm gonna die or oh my god, 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:38.560 aliens are real, I need. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:39.960 To it's like you shut down. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.520 So it actually became a kind of uninteresting show, like 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.480 there everyone's out there'd be that one person who. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.800 Would like scream or like I can't believe this. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.320 And then there was the one time where they had 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.559 picked up a hitchhiker and the guy pulled a knife 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.040 on them, and the guy who was being scared just 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.440 beat the crup out of him exactly, exactly like you 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.360 did the right thing. Like this is just a game 0:09:58.400 --> 0:09:59.280 show we're trying to pull. 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.360 You know, somebody was a gun and shoots the zombie 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:02.840 in the head and that's an actor. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.120 That's a bad day at the network. 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.480 Yeah, yeah, all right, Well let's get into our final 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.280 episode where we revealed the murder that was in plain 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.320 sight was Mark and this was a great set piece. 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.440 They're like, get into the coffin, Get into the coffin, 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.240 and I love that he was just like cn hell 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.120 he walks over Mark Man. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.800 He really just flew under the radar and did nothing 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.320 this entire seasons. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.880 This was the dumbest choice for the kill until it 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:35.880 was out to be brilliant. The episode kept going and 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.200 then I was like, again, great. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.880 Great idea, perfect idea I thought for Yeah, I mean 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:41.760 we talked about I thought it was probably gonna be 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.319 Johnny or Terra. Me too, because you break up that alliance, 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.320 but instead he actually kept it intact, which made it 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.800 look worse for them, And that was so smart because. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.720 And got rid of arguably even though he was quiet 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.240 probably the guy who was still the best player there. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.080 Yeah, and now now you're yeah. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.679 I think the thing that they didn't quite I mean, 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.560 we've been seen in the last couple of episodes, but 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.480 I think it's been going on from the beginning is 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.160 how much Mora and Rob were together and like how 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.360 much she felt like. They kind of edited around that, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.400 I think for the first half of the season so 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.280 that it would be a nice reveal at the end 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.080 that that worked out the way it did. But I 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:23.559 think he's been playing her since the beginning. 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:20.120 And. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:22.600 She likes him. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:27.200 I think, yes, she where old time gets a little girl. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:31.600 That's what I like. Too. Brilliant says it. He's like, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.840 you know, they think him the hot dumb guy. It's like, no, 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.880 I'm the hot, smart guy exactly exactly. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:38.840 And he knew she like. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.080 I think he absolutely knew she liked her and was 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.559 flirting with her. And it's going to be flirting and 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.320 milking that watching that. I know what you mean by 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.640 the ick factor. But in my head, I was just like, 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:49.560 he's it's brilliant. 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.440 He's brilliant playing. It's so brilliant. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:52.200 He's my god. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.680 He deserves you after a while, you just deserve the win. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:57.200 Ye yeah. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.880 Crazy. So Mark gets in the coffin and then says 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.240 forgets his post death interview. He says he's putting his 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:08.720 money on Eric, which is a good call and probably 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.520 too late. Mark should have spoken up a little bit more, 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:13.679 or like we said, maybe he did and just got 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:14.199 edited out. 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.640 Either way, he was really ineffectual this season, And. 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.800 Yeah, I think he got edited out because I guess 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.400 he's given interviews and stuff since where he's talked about 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.760 how he literally would go go back to the hotel 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.920 and he's like, I just had pages and pages of 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.000 notes on anybody, on everybody, Wow. And I used to 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.080 sit there and talk about my notes during the thing 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:32.520 and they would just cut it out. Yeah. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.960 Yeah, I think they very selective in their storyline. Yeah, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.240 as you have to be all right breakfast. Eric comes 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.760 in alone, talks in his camera interview about how bad 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.959 of a trader he is, which is hysterical. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:46.480 I love this. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:52.040 Maura comes in and well, she in her interview to camera, 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.679 she admits that she's been cheated on by every boyfriend. 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.960 And I went, oh god, that's where I kind of 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:00.880 where this was going. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.520 And it's like, maybe you shouldn't like take that as 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.800 a sign that you think, don't trust the guy that 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.960 you're attracted to right now. And just because he's a 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.480 cool dude and you like him, oh my god, man. 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.920 Can wear overalls, not a reason to follow him into 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:21.520 the gates of hell. I felt really, yeah, dude, Okay, 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.400 it seemed like a rough one for you, writer, Yeah, 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:24.480 like a rough one. 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.640 For you, because you know, I was just it was 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.040 I feel bad for her because you know, like she 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.520 says she was embarrassed. She's embarrassing, she was a fool, 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.920 and it's kind of true. Like it sucks, you know, 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.720 and not because she's a bad person, because she trusted 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.800 a dude who she was attracted to, and like, yeah, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.120 So then Rob just comes in and this is exactly 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.400 like last episode where he's just like Johnny Dentera, with 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.559 no explanation, no evidence, no argument. 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.080 He's just telling her how. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:54.040 To vote, and she's just like yeah, yeah, I mean 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.640 he's literally saying we're gonna banish these two people in 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:57.880 a row, which. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.600 Is like exactly what a trader would say. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.120 He doesn't give any arguments, he doesn't say any doubts, 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.240 and he she's just following his confidence. 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.719 And they cut it together this episode, especially in such 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.360 a way where they're showing her doubts the whole way 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.559 throughout the episode, so you really are wondering who she's 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:13.160 going to vote for. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:14.679 No, I oh see, I was. 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.839 I was her face when when he first said when 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.560 he walked in, he's like looking at Eric right over 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.960 at breakfast, He's like, first Johnny then Terror. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.640 She was like wait what like that came out of nowhere? 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:26.480 See her problem her? 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.120 She's such a follower, do you know what I mean? 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.040 Like because every whoever she's talking to, she's kind of 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:36.080 following them and just like okay, okay, okay, and yeah. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.320 And I think you know the party trusted Rob. That's 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:38.640 the thing. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.040 She trusted, the one guy you're not always say it's 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:42.520 very warm under the wing of a dragon. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.760 So she trusted the wrong guy. And when do you 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.000 think because I wasn't really clear that he was turning 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:50.800 on Eric. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.280 Until literally the fire burned. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.080 Right, I oh see, I figured he was going to 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.080 you figured he was one hundred percent one hundred percent. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:00.880 So do you think he was whispering in her ear? 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.120 Saying like it's definitely because the heat. I don't know. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.000 I think the joy was he was letting Tara whisper 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:12.680 into MOA's ear and then agreeing with Moura maybe it 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:13.160 is Eric. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:13.880 Maybe he didn't. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.440 He didn't actually show it on camera, did he, because 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.200 she's said he nods, he not. 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.880 Just in the kitchen she goes, I think, gets Eric, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.160 and he goes okay, and that's it. 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:23.960 That's all you need. 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.240 So yeah, I'm on board making decision. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.160 Yes, then she makes this another one hundred thousand dollars 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.320 like that is a that is a hundred thousand dollars 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:32.920 nod right there. 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.360 And with Eric, he said that at the end, he goes, 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:36.920 would you give one hundred grand to somebody you met 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:37.520 three weeks ago? 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:38.040 I wouldn't. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.400 Yeah, brilliant, brilliant. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.000 And remember I was also thinking about what Ben said 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.160 when he when he came on the show, when he 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.840 was like, yes, if you're a housewife, you know two 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.520 hundred and twenty thousand dollars after taxes, you walk with 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.280 what one forty five one fifty. 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:53.240 Uh. 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:54.840 You know, if you have one hundred thy thousand dollars 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.640 and you're Lisa Rinna, that doesn't mean anything or very little. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.080 You're Rob and you want to buy a farm and 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.440 get married, and you came in whatever he did on 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.840 Love Island, And yes, he's probably going to get endorsement 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:07.120 deals and all that kind of stuff, but one. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.880 Hundred and fifty grand is nothing to sneeze at, right, well, 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:11.960 end up being more right, it's like two twenty. I think, 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.480 well it's too twenty before taxes. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.400 So my guess is after taxes and everything, you walk 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:16.760 with probably one hundred and fifty grand. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.680 So yeah, I mean that's that's going to be significant 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:20.000 for him. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:21.920 And walking with one hundred and fifty grand is a 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.560 lot different than walking with seventy five, which is what 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.200 you would have done had Eric had he been like 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.520 I'm with you, Eric, but no, He's like, I can, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.480 I can remove every piece off the board and I 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.040 barely have to do everything. 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.120 It's brilliant, he was. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:36.960 He's brilliant. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:42.720 Johnny and Tarrek came come in, and Johnny and his 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.120 camera interview says, it's Eric and Rob. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:46.080 He nails it. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:50.240 He knows it, and it now just becomes for the 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.880 rest of the episode really about who's going to get 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.560 Maura to go on their side? 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:54.840 Right? 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.160 Like, yes, she was the this is what I love. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.520 She meant nothing for a lot the series. Yes, and 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.119 now she's the crux of who's gonna wins. She was 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.120 the most important character of this entire episode? 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.360 Was Maura? Awesome? 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:10.199 Awesome? 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:14.720 After breakfast, Tara talks to Maura and says, it's Eric. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:16.800 He's too quiet. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.360