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Speaker 2: That was actually one of the tip offs because she

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Speaker 2: Biological father got custody, but he didn't steal her. He

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Speaker 1: Off the court. Yes of the court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Adam Montgomery was nowhere to be found. When

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Speaker 2: as one of these people, why did you wait so long?

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Speaker 2: Where is your daughter? We just want harmony. Don't care

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Speaker 1: That's almost like you have you got no shame whatsoever,

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Speaker 2: And that's judgmental, Dave. And I shouldn't have said that

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Speaker 1: Can stop you real quick, Dave. I just I want

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Speaker 2: I can't find her. I can't Nobody will give me

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Speaker 2: while he's driving so hard that he knew he had

430
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: killed her.

431
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: And they continued on to Burger Camp. Yep, that's you

432
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: know where they were headed. And you know what's key

433
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: in that statement, Dave to me, if I'm trying to

434
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: figure this out forensically and trying to understand the trauma,

435
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: and it's that quote. It's not so much I think

436
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: I really heard hurt her. It's I think I really

437
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: hurt her this time, which implies that this is an

438
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: ongoing issue. And as we find out, he has been

439
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: known to strike this child specifically for this reason, for

440
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: soiling herself. And let's just break it down and look,

441
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: little kids, you don't have to have special needs issues.

442
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: It's compounded, you know, potty training and all that. And

443
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: just so that we can paint the picture, this guy

444
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: can do no better for his kid than to provide

445
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: a domicile in a Chrysler product. That's the domicile, okay.

446
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: And the child probably from moment to moment doesn't know

447
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: where they're going to go. When's the next time I'm

448
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: going to be able to go potty? And she's faced

449
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: with that decision, and can you imagine And I've tried

450
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: to think about this legitimately from this perspective, because it's

451
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: this kind of learned or responsive behavior that she's going

452
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: to have. When you see people that have been abused

453
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: as a result, particularly when they're being struck, if there

454
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: is a long line, all the abuser has to do.

455
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't even take emotion. You can turn and glare

456
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: at them, and particularly with a child, a five year

457
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: old child, and it gets their attention very very quickly.

458
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: And she can This is the thing, and this is

459
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: what breaks my heart about it. This child who is

460
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: forced to live in this Chrysler product is living in

461
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: this small space. And just so you know, the Seabreen

462
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: is a two door car, it's not a four door.

463
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: It's a cramped space. She's occupying the back seat, she's

464
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: there is an awareness of fear. It just kind of

465
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: permeates this environment and all he has to do is

466
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: turn around, and so what does she do? I upside

467
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, a tten on myself or whatever it was.

468
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: However they became aware. Maybe it was a smell. I

469
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: have no idea, But when we think about this, I

470
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: hurt her this time when you're an autopsy and you're

471
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: trying to understand trauma to anyone, but let's just think

472
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: about harmony. They'll never be an opportunity to do an autopsy,

473
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: I doubt, very seriously. But you look at this progression

474
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: of trauma where a child is initially struck, that heals,

475
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: and then you strike them again, and you have these

476
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: kind of overlapping maybe focal areas of hemorrha throughout the body.

477
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons when I instruct police officers

478
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: and particularly those that work that work crimes against children,

479
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: we have a chart that we use where I teach

480
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: them about contusions and bruises and that sort of thing,

481
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: because you can you can learn a lot. It's almost

482
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: like the rings of a tree in a horrific way.

483
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: But dependent upon what the status of a contusion is,

484
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: you can get an idea that there has been a progression,

485
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: not so much a progression as like a continued series

486
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: of abuse.

487
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: Sees, then they could find out. See. One of the

488
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: things the police found during their investigation was that in

489
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: July of twenty nineteen, during that summer, that Adam Montgomery

490
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: had admitted to family members that he hit Harmony so

491
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 2: hard in the face that he blackened her eye. And

492
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: rather than tell them that she fell down or hit it,

493
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: he actually told him I hit her. And so when

494
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: police were investigating and talking to family to corroborate some

495
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: of the things they were being told, family said, yeah,

496
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: he hit her so hard it blackened ry. You'd be

497
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: able to figure that out if you had the opportunity

498
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: to look at her later to find out if this

499
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: was a regular pattern of a.

500
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that, I'm glad you brought up

501
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: the blackened eye because it troubles me when you have

502
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: and if anybody's ever broken their nose for instance, or

503
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: seen someone that has had some kind of plastic surgery,

504
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: say a rhinoplasty or something like that, they'll have bilateral,

505
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: bilateral blackened eyes. And one of the reasons is is

506
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: that there's a fracturing that's going on and the floor

507
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: of the skull is very thin. It's when you get

508
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: behind the eyes that area is and I've had forensic

509
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: pathologists describe it as as eggshell like. And so if

510
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: you and I've seen this done, you can actually take

511
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: a skull in a flashlight and if you can position

512
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: it just right, and there's some dissection that has going,

513
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: but just trust me with this. You can shine a

514
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: flashlight up through the floor of the skull and it

515
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: is translucent almost. That's how thin that bone is. So

516
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: how much more so for a five year old if

517
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: you're dealing with repeated strikes. Now, it may bee her

518
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: orbits weren't fractured. Maybe she had fractured nose, but that's

519
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: still the skull and it, you know, and the family

520
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: is recognizing this. And what's really troubling is I've seen

521
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: images of harmony. She always wears glasses and when she

522
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: was little. Have you ever seen kids that are very

523
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: young and I know that people in an audience will

524
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: have You might have children like this that have had

525
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: to wear glasses since they were like babies. They'll have

526
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: these kind of plastic, rubberized glasses that kind of wrap

527
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: their almost like goggles. Every image I have seen of her,

528
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: with the exception of one that looked like some kind

529
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: of school picture or portrait. She's always got glasses on.

530
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: If you strike that child in the head, you're not

531
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: only striking her like that, but you're also driving those

532
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: frames into into her eye in the surrounding area. And

533
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: here's another thing. What was the status of her glasses?

534
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: I know that seems benign, but we're talking about care.

535
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: Did she even have glasses at that point or did

536
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: he not care enough to supply her with those or

537
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: make it happen. She wasn't going to a doctor, so

538
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: was this poor blind child who had limited sight obviously?

539
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: Did she even still own a pair of glasses? Or

540
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: did she sit back there in that backseat alone, terrified

541
00:34:37,120 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: and habitually left in the dark? Who? When? Where? How?

542
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: You'd never get an answer to why? You never do?

543
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: And I do? It escapes me. I can't get an answer.

544
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: None of us can get an answer to why. You

545
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: can try it? But I think day, for our moments

546
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: together right now, I'd like to try to understand what

547
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: I really would. That's the burning question. What became of her?

548
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: I think I think you can And that's Joe I

549
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: didn't think it was possible when we first started looking

550
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: into this missing girl. What are we going to find

551
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: because the dad who actually knows what happened is not cooperating.

552
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: He's a liar. You know, we know all this, and

553
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: now we have a lot more information that they have

554
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 2: been able to verify it. And that's why I wanted

555
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: to add this is I'm gonna be honest, friends, if

556
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: you've ever wondered what you can learn where I thought

557
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 2: we'll never know what happened to Harmony. I think forensically

558
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: the story is told because after he says I think

559
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: I heard her this time, they continued on. They went

560
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: to Burger King. They ended up back at the Colonial

561
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: apartment complex, where a friend of theirs lived. They were

562
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: staying in their car in that parking lot. They stayed

563
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: there for twenty minutes. Now, in that time period, they

564
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: heard Harmony struggling, moaning, breathing, labored, but it did stop,

565
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: and at some point they decide let's go somewhere else.

566
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: By the way, they haven't checked on Harmony. They take

567
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: off in the Chrysler Seabring and they're out on the

568
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: road when the car breaks down. It breaks down at

569
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: an intersection and they have to get it out of

570
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: the road. They're going to have to get it towed. Well,

571
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 2: that's when they find out she's dead. That's the first

572
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: time they bothered a check on Harmony Montgomery. And they've

573
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: heard her struggling to breathe, they heard her moaning, they

574
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: heard it all stop. And now they find out she's dead.

575
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: So what does this dear old dad do. He goes

576
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: to the back trunk and he gets a bag, an

577
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: under armour bag black and white, dumps out of the

578
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 2: clothing in it, and he goes and he puts Harmony

579
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: Montgomery's lifeless body into the armor under armored bag and

580
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: they now walk back to the apartment complex. Once they're there,

581
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: a friend that who lives in the apartment complex who

582
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: then decides to let them stay in his audi in

583
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: the parking lot for a couple of days, not letting

584
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: him in their apartment. Okay, think about that. This is

585
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: your friend, right, the friend knows them what. I'll let

586
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: you stay out here in the parking lot in your car.

587
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: You ain't coming in my apartment now. Adam Montgomery is

588
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: carrying the lifeless body of his five year old special

589
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 2: needs daughter in a bag over his shoulder. The friend comes,

590
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: they get the rest of the stuff out of the car.

591
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: They end up staying in the OUTI for a couple

592
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: of days with Harmony's body. Now, after a couple of days,

593
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: Caleb Montgomery, Adam's wife contacts her mother, Christine, can we

594
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: come and stay with you? We're really out. We got

595
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 2: a problem, you know, the cars in the shop and

596
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: her moms They sure, you can come to stay with

597
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: me for a little while. This is where they first

598
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: transfer Harmony's body from the bag to a cooler or

599
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: not I say, or not Joe, because I was looking

600
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: at the story as they were able to find forensic

601
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: evidence on everything else. They never found anything forensically in

602
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: that cooler linking back to Harmony Montgomery, but they did

603
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: find others. After a couple of weeks with Mom, they

604
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 2: get into a half like a halfway house for families

605
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: in need, and they have a room there, and it's

606
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: a place that allows families that are going through a

607
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: tough time to gather themselves together and to rent their

608
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: own you know, save up, rent your own place, which

609
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: is what they did. So after three weeks with Mom,

610
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: they leave and move into this fits center, and they

611
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: take Harmony's body. Now it's in it's back in the

612
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: bag again. Okay, it's back in the under armored bag,

613
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: the black and white bag. Harmony's dead body now for

614
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: three and a half weeks or so, yeah, three and

615
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: a half weeks. And they take the body and they

616
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: put it in the ceiling tiles of but in their room.

617
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: At some point they notice fluid leaking out of the bag,

618
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: the under armor bag, and so Dad wraps it in

619
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: a trash bag. They end up double wrapping it. The

620
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: smell starts getting out. They're there for fifty three days

621
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: in this room before they're able to move into an apartment.

622
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: And in that time period there were people who complained

623
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: of an odd smell.

624
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: Right right, and it would in the ceiling. It's going

625
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: to get into into the HVAC system probably, and it

626
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: will travel or permeate it and it doesn't necessarily have

627
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: to get into the air handler itself. It can kind

628
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: of permeate, you know, because if you've got like an

629
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: acoustic ceiling, there's not a big difference. You can move

630
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: if you're in that space, you can move from one

631
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: area to another, and certainly you're not going to prevent smell.

632
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: I want to.

633
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: Plastic garbage, ba odor of the decomposition, get out of that.

634
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: It all depends on the nature of the sealed bags.

635
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: And yes, and if if you have fluid that is

636
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: leaking out, that's what's referred to as purge fluid. It happens,

637
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a it's a very interesting mix

638
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: of fluids that decompasses, decomposing bodies produce. And it's a

639
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: it's a mixture of blood. You've got cytoplasm uh, the

640
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: cells are breaking down. Uh, it's it's an interesting mix.

641
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: And even you can have liquefied fat sometimes the the

642
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: adipose tissue in bodies. So you get this this you know,

643
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: I've heard people described that that fluid is. I had

644
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: one friend that used to uh uh refer to it

645
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: as the most evil substance known to man. And the

646
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: interesting thing about it is, even for people that work

647
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: in the morgue and that go out on scenes and

648
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: handle these cases, once you get this fluid on your clothing,

649
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: you you better not wear anything that you really value

650
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: because it's it's ruined. It's ruined. You have to you

651
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: literally have to trash it and the smell will actually

652
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: permeate your hair as well. I can go into a

653
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: story from years ago that involved this, but and I

654
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: will at some point in time, not in this episode,

655
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: but just suffice it to say I was around this

656
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: odor to the point with a ton of bodies. There

657
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: were a big accident that had happened, and I had

658
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: to wound up having to shave my hair and my

659
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: mustache and because it was there, and I couldn't get

660
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: rid of the smell. So yeah, the fact that people

661
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: would smell this and it's rather recognizable, and it's something

662
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: that's identifiable very easily. But can I back up just

663
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: for a second, Dave, I got to tell you man

664
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: that image that you painted when Harmony was struck. I

665
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: think that it's important for people to understand what I

666
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: think she was going through at that point in time.

667
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: As she is struck, and according to what this wife

668
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: has said, and this is where this information is coming from,

669
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: if she's struck about the head, my thought is is

670
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: that this is blunt force trauma that has impacted the brain.

671
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: Probably something has been ruptured or torn, and not just vessels,

672
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: but maybe the structure brain itself. And what I'm thinking

673
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: is maybe even the lower part of the brain where

674
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: the brain stem is that controls our autonomic functions. Her

675
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: body was beginning to shut down. And how it begins

676
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: to shut down is that our skull obviously is very

677
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: very rigid, and so if somebody sustains head trauma and

678
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: they're in a clinical setting, one of the things that

679
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: has been done for many years is that you can

680
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: actually create what they refer to as a burhole in

681
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: the skull and you put a monitor, You can drop

682
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: a monitor that into that area and keep track of

683
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: the innercranial pressure, because the slightest amount of pressure is

684
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: going to cause your brain a non clinical way to

685
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: put it to malfunction. And so what's happening is you're

686
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: hearing her struggle to breathe, her brain swell. That's what's happening,

687
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: her brains swelling. And if if they had ever had

688
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see Harmony's body and examine her brain,

689
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: you would see that the brain first off ways more

690
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: than it should. It's highly congested, there might be rips

691
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: and tears in it. You're gonna have big focal areas

692
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: of hemorrhage, and that's what she went through. At that

693
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: moment time. We don't know how much previous trauma may

694
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: have impacted this as well. It may have been the

695
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: perverb depend upon how frequently he was hitting her. This

696
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: may have been the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back,

697
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: because the brain is so very fragile.

698
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: And he knew enough, Joe, that he went too far

699
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: this time. He knew that, he knew he asked because

700
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 2: he said something right then. I think I really hurt

701
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 2: her this time.

702
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: This time, and you can't. You can't unhear that, And

703
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: that's going to echo in my ears, Dave.

704
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: And what bothers me is that we hear that. That's

705
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: what we're told by Caleb Montgomery, the stepmother. And I'm

706
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: thinking just about two years later, two years after he

707
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: does this, when police are asking him about his daughter

708
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: and he's lying, and he has the temerity to say,

709
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: if I'm not under arrest, I'm leaving. I don't have

710
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: to talk to you. And it's like, but two years earlier,

711
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: you killed this innocent five year old girl with your fist,

712
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: and now you know, the cops don't know that. They

713
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: probably suspect something bad has happened, but they don't know.

714
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: They're just dude, tell us where your daughter is making

715
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: a story that's feasible, We'll believe you. But here's my question, Joe,

716
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: because I wondered, how is it possible if we don't

717
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: have a body, how do you prove a murder? How

718
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: can you say she's missing? How can you say that

719
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: that Harmony Montgomery is dead? Based on To be honest

720
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: with you, we get a lot of our information from

721
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: Cayla Montgomery, Adam Montgomery's wife at the time, who has

722
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: been twice now convicted of perjury on in this case

723
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: two times. Okay, they caught her lying to the grand

724
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: jury twice in this case about Harmony Montgomery. So if

725
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: she's already in jail because she's a liar, and the

726
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: information we have comes from this, how are they going

727
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: to prove? Look, how would you prove that Harmon and

728
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: Montgomery was in a bag in the ceiling tiles at

729
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: this halfway house thing? That the home the home between

730
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: the home?

731
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: How are you I think that? Yeah, I think that

732
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: it's going to be It will be an uphill battle

733
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: for the prosecutor. First off, that's going to be the

734
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: major point of contention, and just so that everybody understands.

735
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: You know, Adam Montgomery has been charged with second degree homicide.

736
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: He's not He's his trial is upcoming. And as a

737
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: result of some of the revelations that came out in

738
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: the past few days, I felt like we were compelled to,

739
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, to talk about the case. He's been charged.

740
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: He has not been convicted when he goes to trial,

741
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: though I can and these cases always happen where you're

742
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: absent mortal of mains, the defense attorney is going to

743
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: make hay with this. So what are you left with? Well,

744
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: whatever biological samples they have recovered, obviously from the ceiling,

745
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: I think she was her body may have been placed

746
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: in event for a while. And of course we've got

747
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: this this cooler freezer. O.

748
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: Hey, let's back up an event. Yeah, they found fingerprints, Joe. Yes,

749
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: the story that Kayla Montgomery told about them putting her

750
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: in the event and having to take her down, take

751
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: her body down, to wrap it up in another bag.

752
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: There were other things done to according to Caleb Montgomery,

753
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: other things done, including including opening that bag in the bathroom,

754
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: maybe dismembering. There were He's alleged. I gotta say alleged,

755
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: But the forensic people are working on the stories of

756
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: Caleb Montgomery trying to figure out what happened, knowing they

757
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: take everything with the grain and salt. But as you

758
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: do that, though, Joe, you're looking for real life stuff

759
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: and you find it. You find their fingerprints in the vent,

760
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 2: you find their fingerprint.

761
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: Yes, you find right, And so let me tell you.

762
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: You start finding that evidence, doesn't that say, well, then

763
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: let's follow the rest of this.

764
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: Okay. I gotta tell you. You pointed this out because

765
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: we were talking about you were talking about the thoroughness

766
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: of the police department. Not only were Montgomery's and Kala's

767
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: prince found? Who else? Did you say, I want everybody

768
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: to hear this. Who else? Who? What other person found?

769
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't figure out, how are you possibly going to

770
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: convict a man of killing his daughter when you don't

771
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: have the body. It's because they have a story and

772
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: they're verifying the story. So when they got to this

773
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: place they went to they're talking out years later. Now

774
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: years later, you're talking it was two years after the fact.

775
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 2: When they're out there in the event where Caylen Montgomery

776
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: said Adam Montgomery stored his dead baby, his five year

777
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: old daughter in a bag, and so they dusted it

778
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 2: for prints. They cut out the sheet rock, they cut

779
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: out the vent, and they brought it back to the

780
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: lab and tested. They were able to get every fingerprint

781
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: on there and match them up to either there are

782
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: ten different identifiable rint you know, fingerprints or palm prints.

783
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: And they hit Adam Montgomery. They got it. They got

784
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 2: all of his fingers. They got Kayla Montgomery, but they

785
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: had one they couldn't identify, and it was a finger

786
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: They could not figure it wasn't Adam and it wasn't Kayla,

787
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: So who is it? They traced it back to the

788
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: guy who did the original sheet work in the building.

789
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: That's how thorough they were that they were able to

790
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: pull down the fact that that that was still there,

791
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: that somebody that actually did the sheet rock, his fingerprint

792
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: was still there. That's amazing.

793
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: It is and it goes to the pristine nature of

794
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,479
Speaker 1: those prints. That what I mean by that is that

795
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: no one else it can be at least stated, or

796
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: there's a probability that no one else had access to

797
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: that area, that it's a protected area. And if and

798
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: we don't know what else may have been found up there.

799
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: But when you think about the pristine nature of those

800
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: prince and they've been preserved for all of this time,

801
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: can you imagine what kind of surprise this this guy

802
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: hanging sheet rock may have had when they go to

803
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: talk to him, or are they reach out to him

804
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: and they say, yeah, your prints have been found and

805
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: we're looking into this case. I think that what this is,

806
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: what this really says, though, is that the police have

807
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: been so very thorough and painstaking with this case, trying

808
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: to collect every bit of information. I want to go

809
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,959
Speaker 1: back to something that you had mentioned just a moment ago, though,

810
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: because look, this is the reality of it. It's what

811
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: we talked about on bodybags. And I'm not going to

812
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: sugarcoat this, but there is evidence that he had gone

813
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: out and had purchased a diamond bladed saw along with lime.

814
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: I think there were a couple of purchases of lime.

815
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: And remember when Harmony's body, according to Kayla, was initially

816
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: covered up, they were using this underarmour bag. Now, if

817
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, she had stated that at some point

818
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: in time, Adam Montgomery went into the bathroom with the body,

819
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: which by this time had been down for a protracted

820
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: period of time. Am I or am I not correct

821
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: in stating that this woman stated that she saw the

822
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: body in the bathroom with him.

823
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: The second time that he was in the bathroom with

824
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: Harmony's body. The first time that he was in there

825
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: six or seven hours. She didn't know what was going on,

826
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: but she heard the water running. It was the second

827
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: time that he was in there with her body, and

828
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: she had been a long time, Joe, And that's why

829
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 2: I wonder about decomposition. But she said she could still

830
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: recognize that it was Harmony's body.

831
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: Still, Yeah, and and would be would be recognizable? Uh,

832
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: is hard to hard to fathom it would be. It's

833
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: depend It's depended upon how well the body was preserved

834
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: and if it was in a a cool enough environment

835
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: to facilitate this. The one problem with this is that

836
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: she has been migrated around so many times. But back

837
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: to what have may have occurred with her body is that,

838
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: according to what the police believe, her body was actually

839
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: moved into what's referred to as a maternity back. And

840
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: this maternity bag is not if you think about the

841
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: under arm. If you go to the gym to work out,

842
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: you see people that actually, I'm not talking about a backpack.

843
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm actually talking about like a gem bag. It's it's robust,

844
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: it's big, and you could fit a small five year

845
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: old child in that. But how are you going to

846
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: take a much smaller bag and place her into that?

847
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: And I think that that, you know, we have to

848
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: think about, well, if she was dismembered, and she was

849
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: dismembered in that location, if in fact that did occur,

850
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: she could have been placed into a smaller back or

851
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of other ones in order to make

852
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: her to make her mortal remains more portable. I hate

853
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: to say that, Oh my god, that makes me sick

854
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: to my back teeth, but that's what I'm thinking, because

855
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: you have to begin to put yourself into a perpetrator's mind,

856
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: as horrible as that is, to think, how can I

857
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: draw the least amount of tension of myself? What do

858
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: I have to do in order to remove this child

859
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: from this environment and without making much of a mess.

860
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by this bathroom, Dave, and how extensively it

861
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: was taken apart, because if a dismemberment took part took

862
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: place in there, it would be rife unless it was thoroughly,

863
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: thoroughly cleaned, it would be rife with all kinds of

864
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: trace evidence and including down at a molecular level with.

865
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: DNA eight years later.

866
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: I think that possibly, And if you hear water running.

867
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: One of the great the great things about when you're

868
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: processing a scene in a bathroom is that you always

869
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: always should take apart the bathtub and the laboratory sink

870
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: and take those drain traps out. And if you take

871
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: the drain traps out, and trust me, people that work

872
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: in forensics know what they're doing, and people that are

873
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: doing this in a hurry and not paying attention, they

874
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: always miss something. So not just the traps, which is

875
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: the curved part of the pipe that you know, we

876
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: don't see. If you look under your sink you'll see

877
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, a drain trap, but also around

878
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: the ring in the tub tub drain you can also

879
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: find elements in there as well. Yeah, I think that

880
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: it could be a possibility. And look going back, nothing's

881
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: off the table here when you think, when you think

882
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: about that, they were able to recover these prints and

883
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: they did such a thorough job with that. But here

884
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: here's where you know, we kind of you know, we

885
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: we Unfortunately, we lose harmony at this point because you

886
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: know her, her story I think is going to end somewhere,

887
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: probably in Massachusett as far as her remains go, because he,

888
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, he had if I'm not mistaken, he had

889
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: rented a truck. He had rented actually like a van.

890
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: And they have videography, uh, and photos of this truck passing,

891
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: you know, passing by CCTV cameras and you can clearly see,

892
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: you can read the plates. I think it was a

893
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: U haul there. And I'll never forget in the back

894
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: windows a truck it says, there's a sign in the

895
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: back of the wind it says rent me on this

896
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: this van that had been you know, rented by him.

897
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: And they don't they can't track down exactly where he went.

898
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: But I do have a colleague that believes that there

899
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: is a likelihood he may have wound up in Revere, Massachusetts,

900
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: and may have wound up going to the Saltwater marshes there.

901
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: That that speculative. I don't know that that's the case,

902
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: but if that happened, and if he disposed of her

903
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: remains out there, it doesn't matter how many holes you

904
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: dig in the ground. Dude, you go to a saltwater marsh.

905
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: First off, child harmonies remains all that's left of her

906
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: after these weeks months of being migrated and moved around.

907
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: Her final resting place was in potentially this dirty, filthy

908
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: saltwater marsh. Now you've got this little girl's body that's

909
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: going to be subjected to this harsh environment, all of

910
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: the animal life that is in there, and also tidal flow.

911
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: And we're talking about this is no you know, you're

912
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: not talking about a pond out on your grandpa's farm.

913
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: We're talking about saltwater marsh. And so what is salt

914
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: water marsh lead to? What leads to open ocean. I

915
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: don't know that any remnant will ever be found of harmony,

916
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know if there is enough justice in

917
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: the world for harmony, but I can say this in

918
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: closing today Adam Montgomery is charged with second degree murder

919
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: in her case. But I can tell you this harmony

920
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: was failed. She was failed by a system, by a

921
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: system that we're all too familiar with, a system that

922
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: turned their back on her, the most defenseless among us,

923
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: that turned a blind eye. And until that changes, until

924
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: punitive measures are taken against these individuals that lose track

925
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: of these children, that don't have a full awareness of

926
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: where they are at all times. This is going to

927
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: happen again and again and again. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan

928
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: and this is body pass