1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: All right, let's get it going right here, right now. 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: This is Eyes up Here, and. 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: You're listening and watching and taking a brand new episode 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: of Eyes up Here. You didn't know by now. My 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: name is Chad and every single week I'm joined here 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: by the easy star of this show, the Vampire Girl. 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Today she's got a very cool shirt on. We'll hear 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: about that soon, but it is. 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: I am an honorary Vampire Girl today with my new shirt. 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 3: And like you said, we'll talk about to But everything 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: going all. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: Right, everything's great, and you want to start hot? 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: I do? Is she here? 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: We start about as hot as you could possibly get 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: it going. 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: So I'm wearing this shirt because I want to honor 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: our guest today, Miss Shelley Martinez is here? 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 4: Where are you? 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 5: This is what I did all day yesterday. 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 4: I made a studio in my girl. 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: Wow, how beautiful is that? At first I said to myself, 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: is that a Ferris wheel behind her? And why is 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: it my time? And where is she? But then I 24 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: was like, wait a minute, no, that looks great. 25 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 4: I'm in my bet cave. I love it. 26 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: It looks so good. 27 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 4: This is the first time me using it because I 28 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 4: spent like all day yesterday, like putting it all together 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 4: because on the other side of my garage is my gym. 30 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 4: So it's like I've been really trying to like focus 31 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 4: on because there's this really cute place in downtown La 32 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 4: like to shoot and it kind of has this vibe, 33 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: and it's like, dude, I'm spending all this money on 34 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 4: this like space, why not just like make my own 35 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 4: and just like make it better. Like my couch sucks, 36 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 4: it's my old couch, but you know they'll get there. 37 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 4: I'll get a good little couch. 38 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: And you can't even see your couch because your boobs 39 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: take up the whole lens. So yeah, it's exactly. Look 40 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: look what I'm I'm sporting today. Yes, I said in 41 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: your intro, I said, I'm not an honorary vampire girl. Absolutely, 42 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to steal your gimmick by any means. 43 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 3: But she was nice enough to send me a shirt, 44 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: and I said, come on the show. Let's promote whatever 45 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: you're doing and chit chat because it's been a hot minute. 46 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: I haven't seen your face since we did the Bikini 47 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 3: Swimsuits Spectacular Showdown whatever it was called. 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 4: August August. 49 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's terrible. We you know, her and I are 50 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: the worst. We will text back and forth, you know, 51 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: because we we've kept in touch now for a million years, right, 52 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: and we're always like, we need to FaceTime, we need 53 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: to sit. We never get around to it, and it's 54 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: terrible and we really need to do that. 55 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 4: I agree, Well, at least we're here. 56 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: We can and I'm just spator, So FaceTime, I'm. 57 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: Just saying how shitty we are because we keep saying 58 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: we're going to do it and we never do it. 59 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: But you're here now. So what has been going on 60 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: in the life of miss Martinez? Fill us in let 61 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: us know. 62 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 4: Well, a whole lot. 63 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 5: Of course, I have my secret society, that's always a given. 64 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 4: But you know, ever since I was in TNA, I 65 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 4: had this idea of having this like boutique where it 66 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: would be items of things that not only that I 67 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 4: would come up with in design, like shirts for example, 68 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: but like, you know, stuff that I love because something 69 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: I hate more than anything is wasting my money on 70 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 4: products that like just because this person says it's good 71 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 4: because they're getting paid, Like I've wasted so much money. 72 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 4: So I wanted to bring like a place where people 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 4: can like get the things that I love without like 74 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: cutting the middleman kind of thing. So back in TNA, 75 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: before social media was what it was, I just kind 76 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: of saw it as like having like this boutique of 77 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 4: stuff that I just love. But of course, with wrestling 78 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 4: it takes over, so I had to put it on 79 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: the back burner, put it in the back burner. Last 80 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: couple of years, I've been trying to figure out how 81 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 4: to get a damn resell license, and like it just 82 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 4: took me forever. It was super easy and I got 83 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 4: it and then lo and behold, I was like, I'm 84 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 4: making it happen. So I built my website. I got 85 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 4: merchant there, you know, and already I'm just really proud 86 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 4: of what it has because it has my shirts like 87 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: you look so lovely in and they come in Vampire 88 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 4: Guy as well. And I have some vinyl in there 89 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 4: because I love music. I'm a vinyl collector, so there's vinyl. 90 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 4: I have some flower hair clips because dumb Shelley. Let's 91 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 4: see what else do I have in there? I have 92 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 4: something else? 93 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: What was oh? 94 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 4: I have like a digital download. So it's just a 95 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 4: bunch of fun stuff and it's like I do have 96 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 4: my official merchandise on there, but it's nothing to do 97 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 4: with like my secret society or posting like stuff for 98 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: like my sexy content. It's like literally my little online 99 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 4: boutique that it just so happens. That's where my stuff is. 100 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 4: And on Sunday, I'm going to be hosting my first 101 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 4: ever meet and greet on Good Vibrations boutique dot com. 102 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: Oh that's so you're going to be live and selling 103 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: live QDC. 104 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 4: Well, just like how we did, like did the bikini thing. 105 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: You know, it's a thing, but it's gonna be on 106 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 4: Good Vibrations Boutique and it'll also go to my YouTube 107 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 4: channel of live stream and I'm using stream yarticles. I'm 108 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 4: gonna have people with wait in line if they want 109 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 4: to call like video in and just be like, hey, 110 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 4: I bought that so I could chat with them while 111 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 4: I sign it. So we'll see how it goes. We 112 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: know how technology is sometimes, so. 113 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: That's a good idea. I you know, on Twitter, you 114 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 3: have like all these different things that you're promoting and 115 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: I'm just like, I don't know what is what you 116 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 3: know because they're so you have like five different links 117 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: that you put up. You have this you have this, 118 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: you have this break it down for me. So you 119 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: just explained the website that you're you're promoting. When you 120 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: say your secret Society, okay, is that different than say, 121 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: like the only fan are you still doing OnlyFans? 122 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. My Secret Society is my exclusive 123 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: membership for those of you out theres that don't know, 124 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 4: just exclusive content, whether it's videos, photos, you name it, 125 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 4: it's there. I have only fans. But the way I 126 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 4: work my only fans is there's some people who they 127 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 4: just generally want to. 128 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 5: Just use OnlyFans, so that's why I have it there 129 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 5: for them. 130 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 4: And it's at the fifteen dollars tier that I have 131 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 4: because it starts at five dollars membership and then it 132 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: goes all the way up to one hundred. So that 133 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 4: is just the place where it's like that, just that 134 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 4: membership because we just live in an age where people 135 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: love OnlyFans. And then I got my Patreon people, you know, 136 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 4: that's where it's a little bit more you can do 137 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 4: from five dollars to one hundred, and the most content 138 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: is on my Patreon just because I used to just 139 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 4: solely use it for my Secret Society. And then my website, 140 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: shall i Martinez dot net. Some people don't like to 141 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 4: be on these social media platforms. They like old school. 142 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: They want an old school website. So the reason why 143 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: I have so many different options for people is because 144 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 4: literally my my audience is some of them just want OnlyFans, 145 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 4: some of them just want patreons, some of them just 146 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 4: want my website. Now, if I was more over in life, 147 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: I can command everyone to just go on my. 148 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,119 Speaker 3: Secret side way over, stop that, but it's over. 149 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I would be able to boss my people 150 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 4: that I'm just not. So I kind of cater to 151 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 4: where like everyone is at because that's when I add 152 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: all that money up. 153 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 5: That's why I'm able to do what I do for 154 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 5: a living. 155 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 4: What it's a lot, but it's worth it because I 156 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 4: get to do what I want to do. 157 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, no, And I'm not knocking it by any means. 158 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: I'm just like I see certain links and I'm just 159 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: like I get confused because I'm like, Okay, what link 160 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: is this and what is she doing on this page? 161 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: And so when I wanted to have you on here, 162 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: I just wanted you to explain the different things because 163 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: if somebody hears this and they want to sign up. 164 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: They're signing up for the right product. 165 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: Oh and then I just started another side. 166 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: I told you you need link Tree. 167 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: You ever hear link Tree? 168 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? Like, if you go to Shelley Secret Society dot com, 169 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: it's Gary organized. I put it right there if you 170 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 4: want to do it this way or that way. But 171 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 4: long story short as I can make it, I'm a 172 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: failed foot model fetish model. 173 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 5: I tried it. It didn't work out for me. I 174 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 5: wish it did. But to be on, I don't know 175 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 5: if this is the way for all. 176 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: Girls or fellas that do it, but for me, it 177 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 4: was more like what the people that were paying wanted 178 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: I wasn't comfortable doing. And so when I was just 179 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: putting out what I. 180 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 5: Wanted, it made me a few bucks. 181 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 4: But to like add that of my roster of things 182 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 4: to do, it just wasn't enough. And then I asked. 183 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: I did a poll on Twitter, on my Secret Society Twitter, 184 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: and somebody said that they had been a member of 185 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 4: my foot Club, but they've always felt that I gave 186 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 4: a way too much in my previews. And I said, 187 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 4: so they're being cheap asses. He said yes. So a 188 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 4: member from that community said that, so I stopped being 189 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: a foot model. 190 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: So do you not do full content on the other sites. 191 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: I mean I do, but it's more like the foot 192 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 4: Club was just like giving them the souls every time, 193 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 4: giving them the wrinkle, like all the things they love 194 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: I was giving to them. Yeah, but now it's more like, Okay, 195 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 4: I have some people. And then they did another poll 196 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 4: on like my audience, and on my audience, my boobs 197 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 4: and booty people way outweigh people who are my fans 198 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 4: that are into my feet. So that also made sense too, 199 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 4: because I know there's girls out there that I've met 200 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 4: throughout the years and maybe they've had no like kind 201 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: of mainstream exposure like you have or myself. So they 202 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: just started from the beginning. So they hustled and they're 203 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 4: on these forums and all this. I got too much 204 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 4: to do to like try to grab the audience and 205 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 4: like you know what, I mean to like sit there 206 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 4: because I got all these other sites I'm working on. 207 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 4: So that's why I was just like, you know what, 208 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 4: I don't think it's for me. I think I should 209 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: just work that my audience likes to pay for my 210 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 4: boobs and my butt, and that's it. 211 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: I find it interesting because, like I dabbled in the 212 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: foot fetish realm, I didn't know much about it. You know, 213 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: I always got requests for my feet. Now I'm gonna 214 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 3: go on record and say, my feet are the drizzling shits. 215 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: My feet to me look like Fred Flintstone when he 216 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: started up his car. They're big. I'm a nine, I 217 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: have a big, big toe. They're not attractive, but yet 218 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 3: people find them utterly irresistible and I can't say why. 219 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: Just my husband even said what, and I'm just like, dude, 220 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: I don't even know, Like you know some people, I 221 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: don't judge anybody. Like everybody's got their thing that they 222 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: like and they're fetish and it's all good. But my 223 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: feet are not cute. I don't get it. But like 224 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 3: you said, I wouldn't even know, like if I wanted 225 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: to go full fledged, because out of all the fetishes 226 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 3: out there, I feel like the feet are the most 227 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 3: innocent because I don't think it's a dirty thing, like 228 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's just it. They're just feet, you know. 229 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: And even though I look at them and I don't 230 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: see feet as being beautiful, other people do and that's fine. 231 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: But I wouldn't even know what forum to go look 232 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: for to promote my Like, I know they're out there, 233 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 3: I don't even know how to find these things. And 234 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 3: the foot thing I could never wrap my head around 235 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: because like I would take these pictures and then they 236 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: would want me to go to the next level, and 237 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, what is that level? Like a foot 238 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: to foot? I don't under how do you keep evolving 239 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 3: with feet? It's just a foot? I don't I don't know. 240 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: But then it got to the point where I, you know, 241 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: they they wanted me to have somebody else rub my 242 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: feet and then put my feet in their mouth, and 243 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: it's weird Jesus, Like, I don't feel comfortable doing that 244 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So that's where I was just like 245 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: I'm done, you know, but I'm. 246 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 4: Right there with you, like and too. It's so interesting 247 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 4: because at first I was like, what is it about feet? 248 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 4: And I would ask my audience and they wouldn't say 249 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: they just don't want to talk about it. 250 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 5: They just want to whatever. So I was like, okay, 251 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 5: so I'm trying to figure it out. 252 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 4: And what's interesting is when I first started being like, Okay, 253 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 4: I'm gonna try this for a year, I'll do this 254 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 4: like foot thing. I actually started to see the beauty 255 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 4: and I started to enjoy it. Like at first I 256 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 4: was like, oh God, like whatever, but then all of 257 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 4: a sudden, I was like I love this, Like okay, 258 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: I get it now, I understand. So it sucked for 259 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 4: me that didn't work out that way, but it seems 260 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 4: like the common ground in my life is like, whenever 261 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 4: something doesn't work for me, even if it seems like 262 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 4: it should, I'm just not meant to do that. I'm 263 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 4: just meant to put my energy somewhere else. So I 264 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: abandoned the foot fetish world. 265 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: I don't see later. 266 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 4: After dipping my toe in, there you go. 267 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: There's the pun I was looking for one, but you 268 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: beat me too with After dipping my. 269 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 4: Toe in, I just realized that foot fetish modeling was 270 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 4: just a heel in my life. So I sending it 271 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: all together. 272 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 3: She's on fire now, I'm with you, I understand. 273 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 4: But I turned that page into I have another, you know, 274 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 4: on like my Patreon on my website, there's the different tiers. Well, 275 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 4: there's like a twenty dollars one, so I just turned 276 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 4: that one into a twenty dollars one. Because sometimes people 277 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: will be like, you know, I just want to be 278 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 4: that member and I don't know, just giving options again 279 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: once again. So that's why I have so many links. 280 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 4: I think it's annoying myself. I'm the one posting on 281 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 4: all of these platforms and it takes me a long time, 282 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 4: but it's my job. And the way I used to 283 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 4: be like maybe I should just like consolidate to one, 284 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 4: but I was like, you know, I tried, and what 285 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 4: ended up happening is Patreon was my main like I 286 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 4: was making great money, like I was. I was so 287 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 4: proud of what I built on Patreon, and then when 288 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: I try to consolidate, I haven't yet. And it's been 289 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 4: like almost two years. I haven't yet gained back that 290 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 4: audience that I once had on there, and it sucks 291 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: and I regret it so. 292 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: Much. But but you're a hustler. I've said it. I 293 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: mean we I remember our conversation on the phone one 294 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: day and you were like, you need to get on 295 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: Patreon and I was like, no, I'm not going to 296 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: do it, and you talked me into it and you're 297 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 3: like you need to do. You know who you are. 298 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I know who I am the time 299 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: that Stiff has saled, you know, But Patreon's been a 300 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: lot of fun for me now. Granted our content is 301 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 3: way different, like I it's just with the web, not 302 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 3: the website. It's just with our podcast, you know, and 303 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: we do funny games and quizzes and drinking and stuff 304 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: like that. But there's no pictures, no videos. I went 305 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 3: a completely different route with it. But you are hustling. 306 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: So it's not that it's annoying that you have all 307 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: these things. It's just for a casual fan who wants 308 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: to join something, they might not know which link to 309 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: press and click, because like what do you get if 310 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: you choose this one or this one? 311 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: I know, Like I said, I try so hard on 312 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 4: my little landing plate page. Thank god for a link tree. 313 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 4: I try to break it down as well as I can, 314 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 4: but you know, I don't know. We'll see what happens. 315 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 4: Like I said, I'm like really scared to try to 316 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: like consolidate everything because when I did, I just I 317 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 4: still am not making the money I used to. 318 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: And like, well, you don't have to. You don't have 319 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: to because once they click that link, it should be 320 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 3: self explanatory what they're getting you know what I mean, 321 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: Like they're clicking, So I'm just as you know, as 322 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: I'm looking, I'm just like, this girl's doing everything and 323 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: I love it because you're just boom boom boom. There's 324 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: so much content out there that's yeah, you're. 325 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 4: It's tiring, and that's what it's been weighing on me actually, 326 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 4: Like for the last couple of months, I'm like, should 327 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 4: I or shouldn't die? And then I always go back 328 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 4: to how I still didn't get I mean, even if 329 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: I got like most of that Patreon back, i'd be like, Okay, yeah, 330 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 4: at least I got most of it back, so eventually, 331 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 4: but it's like, man, it's been a couple of years 332 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 4: and I still haven't been able to get those same 333 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: people back. And it bums me out because I'm in 334 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 4: a much better place mind, body, and soul now. 335 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: So it's like, I know, yeah, but you're picking out 336 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: new members. I see you when you're saying somebody rebuilds 337 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: or we got a new member. So you're doing great. 338 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: I mean, don't sell yourself short. You're out there, you're hustling. 339 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 3: I keep saying to myself, she's not getting it enough. 340 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: Rest and I'm worried about her because there are certain 341 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: times where I know you're not going to bed early, 342 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 3: but you're up at like four thirty five o'clock your time. 343 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 3: That's when I wake up, I know, because she's always like, 344 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: you can text me early, and I'm just like, but 345 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: we're three hours different and she wakes up to freaking early, 346 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: and I'm just like, she's not getting enough rest. It's 347 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: the mother and me. 348 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 4: I worry. 349 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: You need to see. 350 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 4: About nine o'clock like I would to bed pretty early, 351 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 4: like you know, ten o'clock top. You know I sneaking 352 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 4: a nap in there. 353 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: It's yeah, see that's the difference. You get to nap. 354 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 3: I don't get to nap. I never take naps. But 355 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 3: I got really excited because when I saw that you 356 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 3: were kind of not fully coming back to wrestling, but 357 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 3: kind of starting a virtual experience. I said, what is 358 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: it going to take for me to lure her back 359 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 3: for a weekend. I got a little bit. 360 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 4: Well, that's because I'm putting it together and it's at 361 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 4: my home and I'm hoping people check out the site. 362 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 5: It's all a big commercial for good vibrations. 363 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 3: Boutinque no no, no, but I'm saying, like when you 364 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: worked for Chad and when you did the right like 365 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: the real virtuals, you know what I mean, like the 366 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: wrestling virtuals. 367 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 4: And oh, that's because it's Chad, and I love Chad. 368 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 4: I know I knew, but you know, I just here's 369 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 4: the thing. 370 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: I just. 371 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 4: Maybe there was a time or two in my life 372 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 4: where when I was like, oh, I don't want to 373 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 4: be involved in wrestling or whatever, and I was bitter. 374 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say I wasn't, but I'm not bitter anymore. 375 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 4: It just is what it is. 376 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 5: And I'm actually really grateful for like even all the 377 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 5: crap I went through. 378 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 4: You know, because now that I'm older and like life 379 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 4: is played out, like everything totally makes sense, even at 380 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 4: the time when things didn't make sense, like now it does. 381 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 4: So I just really feel that going to a situation 382 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 4: and like a convention, I just don't think it's going 383 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 4: to serve me well. And I just think that time 384 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 4: of my life is over and I think it's draining. 385 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 4: And like when at the tail end, when I was 386 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 4: doing it, it was really just because like that's what 387 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: I did to make money. But then like I remember, 388 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 4: I did this one signing, and it just like the 389 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 4: different people that I just kept letting things roll off 390 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 4: my back and had grievances with it just built up 391 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: and I got super super drunk. I told off multiple. 392 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 5: Excuse me, I confronted. I confronted multiple people, and. 393 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: You don't want to be confronted by a drunk Shelley. Shelley, 394 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: but not a drunk Shelley. 395 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 5: Like I confronted. 396 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 4: And you know what, I'm glad I did because I 397 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 4: actually got to look some people and their pupil and 398 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 4: tell them like what's up, and then hear their side 399 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 4: of what they think or whatever. So it's fine. But 400 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 4: just like being in that, I went into it like yeah, 401 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 4: because the people who brought me in super nice, like 402 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 4: they always want me to have a good time. 403 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 5: They bring me wine, like there's just so awesome. So 404 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 5: I was all about it. 405 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 4: But then like I just kept like brushing things off, 406 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 4: brushing things off, and then before I knew it, there's 407 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 4: this one person that she named nameless. I was like drunk, 408 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 4: and I was like, please just ask me what's why 409 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 4: I don't like you anymore? Please? I was begging for 410 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 4: this person and they wouldn't because they were scared because 411 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 4: they knew and they're like, oh, Shelly, you want another 412 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 4: shot with their handle shaky. I was like, this little bitch, 413 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 4: ask me why I'm mad at you? 414 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: It is. I know who it is, but I can't remember, 415 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 3: so you need to tell me, you know. 416 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 5: I guess what I'm saying is is even though. 417 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 4: I had a release, I just really saw what that 418 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 4: environment kind of puts me through, and I don't want 419 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 4: a chance that anyway. 420 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 5: Like I don't want to be in that place anymore. 421 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: You don't want to get triggered. 422 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like I've done so much healing and 423 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 4: especially now that I can look at my wrestling career, 424 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 4: especially on the crap I went through or people who 425 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 4: hurt me, like I can, I have so much peace 426 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 4: with it now. I'm so grateful to finally finally have that. 427 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 4: Like I would hate to like get triggered and then 428 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 4: like have to deal with because I just want that 429 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 4: to It's fine. I have new things going on in 430 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 4: my life. There's future things to disappoint me, to make 431 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 4: me have new trauma. I don't even do look old anymore, 432 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 4: So it's nothing against like I don't want to do rest. 433 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 4: It's like dude, that was a really bad night. And 434 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 4: then the next day I didn't remember what happened like 435 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 4: at the end of the night, and I don't like that. 436 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: And then like I heard rumors about things that I did, 437 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 4: and like half people said I did it, half people 438 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 4: said I didn't. So I don't know. 439 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: My ring light wasn't on. I was like, I look 440 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: really dark, Sorry about that. No, it's me being selfish 441 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 3: wanting a weekend with my friends. And I said, we 442 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 3: discussed this before. I'm just like, oh, I just want 443 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: to hang out, like with my friends. I want us 444 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 3: all to be booked, I want us all to make money, 445 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 3: and I want to s all the hangout because in wrestling, 446 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 3: your friends don't live down the street from you. They 447 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: live in different states and you never get to see 448 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 3: them unless you're working together. So, you know, as much 449 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: as I would love to plan a girl's weekend where 450 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: I can fly to some you know, on Charted Island 451 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 3: and hang out, I have kids. I have responsibility. I 452 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 3: can't if it's not a payday, I just can't get 453 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 3: up and go far, you know what I mean. So 454 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 3: it's just a way for me to see you or 455 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 3: other people, which is nice. You know, it's a paid way. 456 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I get it. WrestleMania is supposed to be here, 457 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 4: and like, however, what twenty three next year? 458 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: I guess is it for that kan Kan? Yeah, because 459 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 3: this year it's in Dallas. So if I well, I 460 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 3: don't know if you've heard, but this this might be 461 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: my last year because you know it's it's the fifty 462 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: and Fabulous store because I'll be fifty next month. Whoa, 463 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: and you know I might be hanging it up. So 464 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. But if I but if I pulitary 465 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 3: Funk and I come back, I will try to get 466 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: to La. 467 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 4: Just do that one, Like, just just do that one, oh, 468 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 4: because it brings you here. You'll make the money. You'll 469 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 4: make good money because they know that's the only time 470 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 4: I'm only going so I can go to California. Then 471 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 4: you go and everyone's like, oh my god, this is 472 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: the last time to see Francine. 473 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to promote it that way. Well, well 474 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: we have some time to do that. But uh yeah, 475 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 3: that's just me being selfish wanting to see you. So 476 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. I just keep it in the back 477 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 3: of your head. I can always get your books somewhere 478 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: somewhere fun. 479 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 4: It just doesn't seem Maybe it's just. 480 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: Me there, Maybe it's no one else, and I'm glad 481 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 3: it's you. Maybe I'm doing the signing at a store 482 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 3: and I say, oh, would you like a vampire because 483 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 3: I know one, you know, and I would do it. Well, 484 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 3: we need to get that done because maybe maybe we 485 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: can promote two thousand and six fake ec dub television, 486 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: Me and you, any promoters out there when the books 487 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: Shelly and I. 488 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: Theres a market for it, for. 489 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 3: Sure for it, I'm telling you. But it was a 490 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 3: great year, and and it was it was such I 491 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: think back on that, and there's fans who always put, 492 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 3: like you and I the graphics up from our little feud, 493 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: the tiny little feud that it could have been so 494 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: much more, right. I remember you and I. They gave 495 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 3: us a minute and a half, maybe two at the most, right, 496 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 3: and I remember you and I going over it right 497 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 3: in front of Gorilla, and I remember Jr. Walking by 498 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 3: and looking at us and good luck ladies, you know, 499 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 3: and we just looked at each other like this is 500 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: the shits, you know, like we knew how bad it was. 501 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: They didn't let us do anything, and here was that here? Yeah, 502 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 3: I mean it couldn't. We could have did so much 503 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 3: more and they just I don't know, it just could 504 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 3: it could have been bigger than it was. 505 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 4: So what's interesting is like, Okay, when we were living it, right, yeah, 506 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 4: it was kind of like all you and I can 507 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 4: do was just crack jokes and you know, make fun 508 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 4: of ourselves for being so unover with them. 509 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 5: But like it's so cool now. Is something I didn't realize. 510 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 4: When I was living in it was how awesome we 511 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 4: really were. Like I always knew that, like our feud 512 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 4: would have been great, But when I see the footage 513 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh my god, Like I was so 514 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 4: busy living that moment. Now that I can kind of 515 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 4: like detached from wrestling, I guess you'd say personally, I 516 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 4: watch it and I'm like, dude, this was like amazing, 517 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 4: Like I. 518 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 5: And it's it's a new realization that I've had. 519 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 4: I know that might sound weird to like the fans 520 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 4: out there, but like to me, it was always like 521 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 4: when I perform, Okay, I go and perform and I'm done. 522 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 4: I'm not the no offense that goes and watches myself 523 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 4: back over to like whatever, I've never been that tight, 524 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 4: and I'm not knocking it. There's a lot of people 525 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 4: that can learn. I probably could have too my mistakes 526 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 4: that were consistent or whatever, But I was kind of like, 527 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 4: I did that moving forward, what's the next match? What 528 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 4: are we doing next? So I was so in that 529 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 4: mode when all that stuff was going on, especially when 530 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 4: you're on the road, because it's like boom boom boom, boom, 531 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 4: boom boom. Now that I can like appreciate it, it's like, 532 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 4: holy cow, Like we did a good job. 533 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 5: And when they gave us that tiny amount of time, 534 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 5: like we really killed it. 535 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 4: And there's some performers out there that are in wrestling 536 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 4: that they couldn't pull that off, and I'm really proud 537 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 4: that we were able to at least pull off with 538 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: a little bit that. 539 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 3: Do you remember standing in the back with Undertaker and 540 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 3: giving him the spot that we wanted to do with 541 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 3: the table and asking him for advice? Do you remember 542 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: that Undertakers walking by? Shelley and I are in the 543 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: back and we're like, wouldn't it be great if we 544 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 3: uh we climbed? We were like fight we I think 545 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: I think we were supposed to have each other by 546 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: the hair because you and I came up with this 547 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 3: spot in the back and we're like, oh, there's Undertaker. 548 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 3: Let's let's pitch it to him and see what he says, 549 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 3: like like he gave a ship. But he was very nice, 550 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 3: very nice. Uh. We Shelley and I had each other 551 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 3: by the hair and we go into the corner and 552 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,239 Speaker 3: we climb the ropes right and there's a table and 553 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 3: both of us wanted to crash through the table together 554 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: and we yes, and we pitched it the Undertaker and 555 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: he's like, I think that sounds great. I think you 556 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: should tell somebody. We're like, oh, well, we're telling you. 557 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: And I don't know if we thought that he was 558 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: gonna just help us, but he didn't. He was like 559 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: great ladies, and he walked away. And then I think 560 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 3: we might have told uh, I don't know. Did we 561 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 3: tell one of our agents or Johnny's And they were like, 562 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 3: you're not doing that and we were like these things 563 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: and nobody wants to hear it, nobody cares, nobody listens. 564 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 3: And that was that. But Undertaker had a big smile, 565 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: so we thought we really did I remember that right? 566 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: I was like, did I dream that or did we 567 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 3: really pitch this to to uh mister uh mister Undertaker 568 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 3: and he just was like yeah, and then he walked away. 569 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: But how cool would that spot have been if we 570 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: were able to do that on our TV. 571 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 4: They didn't want us to. They didn't care to appease 572 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 4: whatever money making market we had, Like they didn't really care. 573 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 4: And it's dumb because if they cared just a teensy bit, 574 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 4: we could have actually made them more money. You know. 575 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: Oh, it blows my mind. I remember Mickey James coming 576 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 3: over to me and catering right, and she was just like, oh, 577 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 3: I heard that you and Shelley are doing something on 578 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 3: TV this week finally, because you know, I was there 579 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: forever and they never used me and I would just 580 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: sit there and catering and eat the food and collect 581 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: my check and uh. And she was like, oh, I 582 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 3: can't wait to see what you guys do. And I said, well, 583 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 3: it's not a lot. They only gave us like two minutes. 584 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: And I was sitting with her when she watched it, 585 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: and her face was literally like this, and. 586 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 6: I was like, okay, you could say it's the shits, 587 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 6: It's okay, like you know, and she was so unimpressed, 588 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 6: but she knows as a worker it wasn't us, but 589 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 6: she was like her expectations. 590 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: Were like we like it just went down and she 591 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: just had this look of disgust on her face and 592 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: I just looked at her like, this is my life, 593 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: not yours. 594 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 4: I feel most wrestlers in my career, when they see 595 00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 4: me in the ring, make that. 596 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: Now when your badge is boss. 597 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 4: But it's it's so funny because now people like trained 598 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 4: with people that I work with on the Indies or 599 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 4: people that been the shows in Me and the Indian 600 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 4: they see me go. So I don't need to explain myself, 601 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 4: but people want to say I stuck. I get it 602 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 4: because when I was both aerial and swing it, they 603 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 4: didn't give me an opportunity to showcase anybody. So I 604 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 4: don't blame people for that. But it's so crazy because 605 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 4: people who have trained with me and then like like 606 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 4: for example, in wwe like some of us train together 607 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 4: and then we get on TV eventually together, they kind 608 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 4: of like would have this like jobbing me out kind 609 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,959 Speaker 4: of vi like like I'm not that good and all 610 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 4: this because I wasn't really doing anything. And it's like 611 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 4: when a situation like that where we didn't have much 612 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 4: we could even do like we had that crowd. That crowd, 613 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 4: we had them from the moment we came out to 614 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 4: the moment we went back in. And that's what you do. 615 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if you're doing a bunch of moves, 616 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. What matters is connecting with the audience 617 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 4: to make them feel like it's real. And we made 618 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 4: everyone in that arena feel like that was real, and 619 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 4: we were really pissed at each other. We're really going 620 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: at it. And so it's just funny to me that 621 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 4: people want to be like, oh, show these shits and 622 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 4: it's like, okay, you're saying that. Mickey said that, just. 623 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 3: No, no, no, it was just disappointment in her face, 624 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 3: Like her face just went from a smile to just 625 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 3: discuss and I could see her as clear as day, 626 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 3: and I'm just like, I hope she doesn't think it's 627 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 3: my fault, because you're only as good as they want 628 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: you to be. It's it's a proven fact. You can 629 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 3: have all the talent in the world, but they can 630 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 3: make you look like shit. Because I tell these I 631 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: tell it to the fans all the time. You have 632 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 3: to do what they tell you to do. I can't 633 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: just walk out there and do fifty moves because I 634 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 3: know how and get myself up. No, no, you have 635 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 3: to listen to what the script calls for. And people 636 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 3: can't understand that, and they blame the talent, but they 637 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 3: should be blaming the writers, the producers, the people who 638 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 3: are in charge. It's not the talent's fault. And people 639 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 3: don't seem to realize that. So you're not the shits 640 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 3: you're well, don't don't let them make you think that 641 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 3: you are. 642 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 4: Because well, that's that's what I'm saying, is like these 643 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 4: people my whole wrestling career, there's a group of people 644 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 4: like in the business with us, you know, among us 645 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 4: that they have this opinion of me like that, And 646 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 4: I've never been one to be like try to prove 647 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 4: them wrong because then, like when I'm in training with 648 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 4: those same people, especially after they got a name for themselves, 649 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 4: they're outside of the room, not doing drills with everybody 650 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 4: because they think they're too over. Whereas me, I did 651 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 4: it because I had a show a show to do 652 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 4: that weekend. I want to make sure my footwork's good. 653 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 4: That's why I train I train so that I don't 654 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 4: mess up in my matches and I'm crisp and I 655 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 4: can be more present in my characters instead of being 656 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 4: like oh okay, and then what. So it's funny to 657 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 4: me that these people, when I have this opinion and 658 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 4: that's why I say that, have trained with me, so 659 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 4: they know and like, because I don't go and try 660 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 4: to prove myself, they like continue to like what. And 661 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 4: it's so funny because it's like, I don't need to 662 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 4: prove myself to anybody. First of all, I'm saving my body, 663 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 4: so like whatever, Like, no, I've already done stupid stuff 664 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 4: already with my body. I don't need it for you 665 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 4: to be like, oh, Shelly is good. I remember I 666 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 4: had a match with and it was a really awesome match, 667 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 4: and it was with a girl who in real life 668 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 4: I had a very ugly falling out with. And later 669 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 4: I found out that they booked that match because they 670 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: thought I was an a beater up. So I was like, 671 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 4: are you kidding me? So it's already set up right 672 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 4: well her and I she called me, owned up to everything, apologized, 673 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 4: and we talked things out so we can have a 674 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 4: good match and be civil because prior to her screwing 675 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 4: me over, I always thought I'd have an amazing match 676 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 4: with her, so I always wanted to wrestle her. So 677 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 4: I thought it was really cool that I got that moment. 678 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 4: And then we had this awesome match. And the person 679 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 4: one of the people that booked me, when I came 680 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 4: to the back, instead of him being like damn, that 681 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 4: was awesome, like the crowd was like all about it, 682 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 4: he was like mad. He goes, oh, I could tell 683 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 4: you've been training. I'm like, yeah, you're good. That was 684 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 4: really good. 685 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 5: And I never heard from that person ever again. 686 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: It's so bizarre. It goes back to like I remember 687 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 3: the first night that I don't know where we were, 688 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 3: but the first night that they put me with balls 689 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: and we did the thing with you and Kevin and 690 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 3: we got all four of us were so over and 691 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 3: Johnny Ace was so happy in the bat Do you remember, 692 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 3: like did the arena? They were so loud. They were 693 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 3: so loud throughout the whole thing. And it was the 694 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 3: night that I'm gonna tell this story. It was the 695 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 3: night that I was driving with al Snow and I 696 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 3: had parfays for do you remember this? I got two 697 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 3: parfays from McDonald's. Gotta remember the story. Two parfays from McDonald's. 698 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 3: We did a drive through and I didn't want a 699 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: burger and I didn't want chicken. I said, I'll be healthy. 700 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 3: I'll have two parfaes with a fruit parfait with like 701 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 3: yogurt and granola and all this shit, right, And it 702 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: was you and me and the boys out there, and 703 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 3: I had I don't know if I was practicing the 704 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 3: Luthez jump before TV or I did something. We did 705 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 3: something together, but I was having bathroom problems because of 706 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 3: all the granola and the yogurt. Do you remember this? 707 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 3: And I'm like, Shelley, if I run away, you'll know 708 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 3: it was a house show. It wasn't TV. And I 709 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 3: kept running to the back. We were in Gorilla. I'm like, 710 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 3: I'll be right back. Ran to the bathroom, but we 711 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 3: went out there. I finally I calmed my stomach down 712 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 3: and we went out there. The place was so freaking loud, 713 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 3: and I remember coming to the back and thinking, this 714 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 3: is gonna be great because we won't have to do 715 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 3: the bikini bullshit anymore. We're gonna get to work. I'm 716 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 3: gonna get to work. Together, which we were comfortable with 717 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 3: each other, and I thought there was gonna be this big, 718 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 3: long program and Johnny pulled me to the side told 719 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 3: me how over we all were, this, that and the other, 720 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: and then they completely share on us. And I don't 721 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 3: understand why companies do this. I don't get it now. 722 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 3: I know Balls took drugs and ruined, ruined me and him, 723 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 3: but I mean they could put me with someone else 724 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 3: and they chose not to. So I mean that made 725 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 3: it made me think, am I that horrible a performer? 726 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 4: Like? 727 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 3: Did they not see something in me? That palls all 728 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 3: in me? Like it's it's just it's a mind. It 729 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 3: screws with your mind, It really doesn't. It makes you 730 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 3: think that you're worthless. And that company is they're They're 731 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 3: known for it, and it's a shame. 732 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 4: The thing is is like, first of all, I was 733 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 4: so distracted behind the scenes, like when people were like, oh, 734 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 4: like how I was always always tell people I was 735 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 4: too busy. Unfortunately, this makes me my vomit chasing unavailable 736 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 4: guys that I wanted to be my boyfriend. So but 737 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 4: the thing is is, I'm kind of glad that I'm 738 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 4: a stage five clinger. Like that because stage five, like 739 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 4: I think me being distracted with chasing these guys I 740 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 4: wanted to be my boyfriend. 741 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 5: It kept me away from like the politics. 742 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,479 Speaker 4: I had no idea until like like towards the end, 743 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 4: and then years after I left of like how like 744 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 4: all these weird things that were going on behind the scenes. 745 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 3: Oh dude, I never politics, and I got in trouble 746 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 3: for not politics and which which blows my mind. And 747 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 3: then I was told rub oil on your chest and 748 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 3: go knock on Vince McMahon's door and lean over with 749 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 3: your boobs hanging out. One of the agents told me 750 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 3: to do that. Do you believe that? But I go, 751 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 3: I'm not doing that, and I didn't do it, and 752 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 3: probably that's that's probably why I got released. That's what 753 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 3: That's what went one there. 754 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 4: And that's the thing is like I was so in 755 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 4: my own world that I only knew these things, like 756 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 4: I said towards the end, because I'll never have name names, 757 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 4: so people don't come for me. But people have confided 758 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 4: in me the things that they've done, and they didn't 759 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 4: feel good about it. And I don't know if it 760 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 4: was because I was kind of like after you left, 761 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 4: I kind of just kind of stayed to myself. You know, 762 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 4: I was friendly, like to everybody, but like stayed to myself. 763 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 5: So I think that some people kind of noticed I 764 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 5: didn't get involved in drama and stuff, so they confided 765 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 5: in me, and I was like, wait, what what. 766 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 4: This is going on? So my whole thing is I'm 767 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 4: dying to know what was said about me behind the scenes, 768 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 4: like when you're like sitting at the table or on the. 769 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 5: Phone call and they're like, we're gonna fire that area, 770 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 5: like what was said? 771 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 4: Like I think it's so like I want to know, 772 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 4: not because it's like Adam, I think I would be. 773 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 5: I think it's funny, like does Vince McMahon think I'm 774 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 5: a dumb bitch like you? 775 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 4: Like I want terror? 776 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 5: And then as time goes on, it's funny because then 777 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 5: I'll find out. 778 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 4: I'll talk to somebody and they'll like, well, you know, 779 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 4: this is what happened, and I'm like, oh, now it 780 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 4: makes sense. And it's so funny because there's people I've 781 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 4: confronted like hey, I know you have an issue with me. 782 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 4: No no, no, no, And then life will go on 783 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 4: and then people will fill in the blanks and I'm like, 784 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 4: oh my god, I think it's hilarious. So, hey, anyone 785 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 4: watching out there, you want to anonymously write me to 786 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 4: tell me what was said. Please. 787 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 5: There was some guy I can't remember who it bothers me. 788 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 4: I worked on the Indie show, and he said that 789 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 4: he was there the day that me and Batista got 790 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 4: into it, and like he filled in some blanks. And 791 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,439 Speaker 4: this wasn't until like in the last like five or years, 792 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 4: two years or so that I found this out. So 793 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 4: when he filled in some like blanks, I was like, 794 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, because to me, it was just like Okay, 795 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 4: this happened, and then this happened, and this happened, and 796 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 4: then like I performed and then I came back and 797 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 4: then whatever, and I got fired. So to hear like 798 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 4: what happened in the guy's locker room and what was 799 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 4: being said, I was. 800 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, like being a fly on the wall, right. 801 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 4: It's funny. 802 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 3: It's just unfortunate there. I always say, there was so 803 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 3: much talent that has been misused that has walked through 804 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 3: that door, and it's just it's not the talent at all, 805 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 3: you know. 806 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: And I asked you guys a question. 807 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry interrupt. 808 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: Do you think it's still like that today or do 809 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: you think it's evolved at all? 810 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 4: Nope, I think it's exactly the same same thing. 811 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 3: I kind of all. I still think it's who you know, 812 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 3: and I still stand by you know, homegrown talent gets 813 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 3: a better shot than somebody you know I can. And 814 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 3: I hate using this term superstar because I don't think 815 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 3: of myself as a superstar at all, but being a 816 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,399 Speaker 3: superstar in air quotes in another company and then going there, 817 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 3: and I tried to be as humble as I possibly. 818 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I was in catering, getting the girl's stuff 819 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 3: from catering that were in the business for five years, 820 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 3: and at that point I was in the business for 821 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 3: thirteen years. I had more seniority than any other girl 822 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 3: in that locker room. And I'm like, oh, would you 823 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 3: like a cookie? I'm gonna go to catering. Would you 824 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 3: like a bottle of wah? Just trying to fit in 825 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 3: because I don't know these people, and I'm trying to 826 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 3: make friends, especially because you know, you had the wrong 827 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 3: and SmackDown rosters with us at the time, you know, 828 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 3: And so I'm just trying to be friends with all 829 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,760 Speaker 3: these girls and I think I came in with zero 830 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 3: ego and I was still treated like like one guy 831 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 3: to me, Oh, you should try and join the Diva Search, 832 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 3: I said, the Diva sarch are you kidding me right now? 833 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 3: Like what? Well, you know they like the Diva Search. Girl, 834 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm so First of all, I'm thirty four 835 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 3: years old. I'm not gonna join the frigging Diva Search. 836 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 4: Like. 837 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 3: It just pissed me. I was pissed. I was. I 838 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 3: wasn't bitter, but I was just mad that I was 839 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 3: stuck in a bikini, which I didn't do in my twenties. 840 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 3: Now I'm in my mid thirties and they have us 841 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 3: running around in bikinis, rolling all over the matt like idiots, 842 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It was the same thing 843 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 3: every single week, and I just I hated going. I 844 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 3: hate it. The only reason why I liked it was 845 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 3: to see like you and to hang out with the girls, 846 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 3: because we were starting to get like a little chummy 847 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 3: except for one that we chow me. You know, we 848 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 3: were starting to hang out and have a good time 849 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 3: and and it just it's just a they screwed your 850 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 3: mind and it made me sick. To come to work 851 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 3: sometimes when I got that don't call and was like, oh, 852 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 3: you're not need it this weekend, Like Howard would be 853 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 3: scared to call me and he's like a freight scene. 854 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, please tell me I'm staying home this weekend 855 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 3: and he's like, are you okay with that? I'm like, absolutely, 856 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 3: just send me my check on Monday, because it was draming. 857 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 3: It was draining getting on that airplane and doing four 858 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 3: days and not being not being appreciated and not being used, 859 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 3: you know, Like I remember Ted Dibiassi walking in, well 860 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 3: you're not working tonight, but I'm sure you don't care, 861 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 3: and I'm just like, ew, like, what kind of attitude 862 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 3: is not to get? How do you know? You don't 863 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 3: even know me? 864 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 4: I would just stand that guy by the way, I 865 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 4: just didn't throw that out there. 866 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 3: But anyway, he wasn't very nice. I mean, I hate 867 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 3: to say he wasn't nice to me. And I never 868 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 3: did anything to him, but the stuff he would say 869 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 3: to me, and I'm just like, really, sir, how do 870 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 3: you know I don't care? 871 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 5: You know, as an asshole, I don't care he's an asshole. 872 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 3: I don't like him. I'm just like, okay, you know, 873 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 3: just not not being given a fair shot today, I 874 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 3: feel like, and even back then, I feel like it's 875 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,839 Speaker 3: who you know. If you're chummy, if you have an inn, 876 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 3: if you have a previous relationship with someone, if you're 877 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 3: a spouse. I think it's a lot easier to get 878 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,240 Speaker 3: a spot than if you are a name from somewhere 879 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 3: else and you're established. And you know, I was lucky 880 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 3: because they didn't change my name because it's my birth name, 881 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 3: so I got to use my name that I was 882 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 3: known for. But they could have gave me a shit. 883 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 3: I could have been Gertrude for all I know and 884 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 3: walked out, you know, I mean, who cares. I just 885 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 3: all I wanted to do was work, and they didn't 886 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,439 Speaker 3: let me. And I just feel like you and I 887 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 3: could have had something really magical together and they just 888 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 3: didn't let us do it. So it was just a 889 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 3: missed opportunity. We'll never know. 890 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 5: I think that's like. 891 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 4: When people like throughout the years have asked me, you know, 892 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,479 Speaker 4: a different interview or just conversations, What it boils down 893 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 4: to for me is one I started to see how 894 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 4: some people were getting ahead, and it was on more 895 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,439 Speaker 4: on the shady side or whatever. To me, the way 896 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 4: I looked at it was that's not my business ease 897 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 4: or grown adults making their own choices. If that's what 898 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 4: you choose to do, that's your deal. I'll look this way. 899 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 4: And what annoyed me was that I wasn't being someone 900 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 4: that's trying to ruffle feathers. I wasn't somebody that was 901 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 4: trying to start problems or trying to be a do 902 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 4: good or I just kind of kept to myself, did 903 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 4: my thing, and when I saw these things going down, 904 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 4: I didn't even judge these people. It was just like, Okay, 905 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 4: that's how it is, right or maybe if somebody kind 906 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 4: of rubbed me wrong and I found out like they're 907 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 4: not maybe the best person, I would be like, okay, 908 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 4: now it makes sense, cool whatever, Like I can move 909 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 4: on from that. So I felt like it was almost 910 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 4: like I got punished for not rolling going with the flow. Yeah, 911 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 4: And he's like, at least I didn't make any troubles, 912 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 4: like you you respectful, You just And the thing is 913 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,280 Speaker 4: is like when you say, oh, you ask these girls 914 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,760 Speaker 4: what they want, it's called just being a nice person. 915 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 4: It's called being a thoughtful person, like who cares like 916 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 4: you know, and so it's like I kind of feel 917 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 4: I'm right there with you. It was like I could 918 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 4: have made I could have been difficult, like these other 919 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:22,759 Speaker 4: girls are very difficult and drama. Yeah, but like I'm 920 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 4: getting the job done. And the thing is, I made 921 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 4: a tweet not too long ago and I said something 922 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,399 Speaker 4: to the effect about how WWE never gave me any 923 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 4: direction with my character. I just did it and they 924 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 4: saw I was doing a good job and let me 925 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 4: go with it. And then I said, and it's something 926 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 4: to the effect to wrestlers that remember, like you create, 927 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 4: you know, bring life to your characters, not a company. 928 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,919 Speaker 4: You And my whole point was when people get down 929 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 4: in the dumps about getting fired, I feel like I've 930 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,320 Speaker 4: already gone through that process. So like I'm like many 931 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 4: years like of going through all the feelings and emotions, 932 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 4: and I didn't really see, especially because the internet wasn't 933 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 4: what it was is today. When I'm there was no 934 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 4: one out there talking that I could relate to because 935 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 4: it was either people were totally trashing like WWE, or 936 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 4: they're praising them. So it's like I didn't feel like 937 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 4: anyone was like, man, this really sucks, Like I used 938 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 4: to like disappointments whatever, So I try to like do 939 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 4: that for the generation now. That's like my little do 940 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 4: good or deed for wrestling pay forward is I wish 941 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,240 Speaker 4: I could have come across some video or a pose 942 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 4: that someone that gets it. And it's so crazy because 943 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 4: a lot of people were like, oh, well, not everyone 944 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 4: gets that creative, and like that's not the point. The 945 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,720 Speaker 4: point is is that whether it's you and your creation 946 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 4: before WWE and it was an ECW or how I 947 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 4: came into my own as aerial and learned how to 948 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 4: be in front of the audience like that, It's like 949 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,239 Speaker 4: we created these characters and brought them to life, and 950 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,839 Speaker 4: it sucks that there's a lot of versions of us 951 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 4: that like didn't get that chance for whatever reason. But 952 00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 4: I think people. 953 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 5: Needed remind themselves out there, especially the wrestlers of today. 954 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 4: It's like you're still you, you could still You're still 955 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 4: that character. Like they just don't pay you anymore, and 956 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 4: that sucks you're not making that money. But like it 957 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 4: makes me sad to see people literally like put all 958 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 4: their self worth and if they're with specifically WWE or not, 959 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, guy, I know, and it's not 960 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 4: my business, but it just breaks my heart because we're 961 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 4: all going to get old and one day you can't 962 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 4: do wrestling anymore, you know, you know, like see like 963 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,399 Speaker 4: they can't do wrestling anymore, and they're gonna sit there 964 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 4: and be like, because WWE never hired me, I'm a 965 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 4: failure and it's like so not true. 966 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,359 Speaker 3: It's the yeah. And I always say when I when 967 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 3: I got well, I said it after because, like you said, 968 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,399 Speaker 3: the internet wasn't what it was when we were there. 969 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 3: But I always say, like, it's not the end of 970 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,080 Speaker 3: the world when you get released by WWE, or or 971 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 3: if you never get to work for ww you become 972 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 3: a wrestler because you're a fan. I always say, we're 973 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 3: all marks, right, We're all marks. That's why we got 974 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 3: into the business because we love the sport, we love 975 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 3: the business, we love performing and just because somebody did 976 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 3: not see the potential that you have does not mean 977 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 3: that you're not a good performer. I thrived inn e CW. 978 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 3: I was the drizzling shits in WWE. It's not my fault. 979 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 3: I did exactly what I was told to do, and 980 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,320 Speaker 3: I was held down by the man spot to speak. 981 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 3: You know, I went in Johnny Ace's office and cried 982 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 3: my eyes out and pitched and pitched and pitched. You 983 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 3: can only pitch for so long, you know. And like 984 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 3: you said, I had my integrity. I wasn't going to 985 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 3: rub oil on my boobs and lower myself and go 986 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 3: in there and you know, try to be like a 987 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,320 Speaker 3: sex object behind closed doors when it's not on camera. 988 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 3: I had a hard enough time being sexy on camera, 989 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,239 Speaker 3: let alone try to do it in real life to 990 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 3: a man that I don't even know, that's, you know, 991 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,800 Speaker 3: forty years older than me, married or whatever. He is married, 992 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,360 Speaker 3: And that's not my gig. That wasn't I don't politic. 993 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 3: I never had to, so for them to be mad 994 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,239 Speaker 3: at me for not politicking, I got in trouble for 995 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 3: staying in the locker room too long. Oh yeah, you disappear. 996 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,760 Speaker 3: You stay in the locker room when you're reading a book, 997 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,359 Speaker 3: I said, while I'm staying out of people's way. Well, 998 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,919 Speaker 3: that's like watching paint dry, That's what I was told. 999 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 3: I said, Well, what would you like me to do? 1000 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,759 Speaker 3: What am I supposed to do? Do you want me 1001 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 3: to cause a problem start? Do you want me to 1002 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 3: mix it up with these you know, form a gang 1003 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 3: like do you what do you want me to do? Here? 1004 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 3: I had no idea what they wanted me to do 1005 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 3: behind the scenes, because I never had to do it before. 1006 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 3: You know. It was just like, oh, you can work, okay, here, 1007 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,279 Speaker 3: try this, get yourself over. I did it worked. I 1008 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 3: worked for seven years before we went bankrupt. You know. 1009 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 3: Then I go to this other company, I try and 1010 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 3: work and they don't let me, and it's like done, 1011 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 3: you know, and it does leave a bitter taste in 1012 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,840 Speaker 3: your mouth. But I knew it wasn't me. You know. 1013 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 3: Just because he didn't see something in me doesn't mean 1014 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 3: I'm worthless. And these other performers need to realize that's 1015 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 3: not the holy grail. You know. For some people it 1016 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,359 Speaker 3: is their lifelong dream, but especially nowadays, there's so many 1017 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,279 Speaker 3: other companies to work for and to thrive. And if 1018 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 3: you never get on TV and you're doing indies and 1019 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 3: you're loving life, then that's all that matters. 1020 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 4: That's all that matters. Like and that's the thing. Like, 1021 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,560 Speaker 4: the people who I feel are the most cutthroat that 1022 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,440 Speaker 4: I've met, and through wrestling, I realize those aren't the 1023 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 4: kind of people I like to keep company with anything 1024 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,759 Speaker 4: because they're taking it too. I feel I connect with 1025 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,759 Speaker 4: people in the business that, Okay, maybe they can get 1026 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 4: distracted with WWE here and there, but they do it 1027 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 4: because they love this business. 1028 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,279 Speaker 5: They do it because they want to be in. 1029 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 4: That ring, and they love the feeling it is to 1030 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,440 Speaker 4: connect with that audience and to tell that damn story. 1031 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 4: And it's just it's an amazing feeling, you know, It's 1032 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 4: an amazing, undescribable feeling, especially when you got that audience. 1033 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 4: So to me, these people who are like the butt 1034 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,800 Speaker 4: heads I call them, they're like so driven by ego 1035 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,120 Speaker 4: that they've like lost sight of that. And then that's 1036 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,719 Speaker 4: where you see them get so down in the dumps 1037 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 4: when they get fired, and it's like, first of all, 1038 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,360 Speaker 4: you know you're going to try to go back and 1039 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 4: you probably will, so like why are you crying about it? 1040 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 4: And like set's a bad example. And I feel like 1041 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,360 Speaker 4: it makes people of younger generations feel like, oh see, 1042 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,839 Speaker 4: I have to because of Da DA And it's like, man, 1043 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 4: there's so many amazing companies. That's what I discovered my 1044 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 4: second time going back to the indies because I grew 1045 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 4: up in California, and at that time, there wasn't much 1046 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,840 Speaker 4: wrestling going on over here, like there was just a 1047 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,400 Speaker 4: very It was hard. It was like, I mean, I 1048 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,760 Speaker 4: had to get cast in an independent film about wrestling 1049 00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 4: to find out how to be a wrestler. Like it 1050 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 4: just wasn't common knowledge like how it is in other 1051 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,319 Speaker 4: parts of the country. So nowadays, more than ever, it's like, 1052 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 4: you know these amazing companies, like I remember there's this company. 1053 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 4: Now I don't like the guy that runs it, I'll 1054 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,359 Speaker 4: say that, but Beyond Wrestling. I remember when I went there, 1055 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,280 Speaker 4: I was like, Wow, this is amazing, Like I'm getting 1056 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,319 Speaker 4: chills right now. I didn't really do much there. I 1057 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 4: was like a valet, but I felt it and I 1058 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,279 Speaker 4: was like, this is why I love wrestling and I 1059 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 4: needed that. And then there's a company, Hodslam, that I 1060 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 4: worked with for a while and it's like they made 1061 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,120 Speaker 4: me Like I felt like Beyond was kind of like 1062 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 4: the East Coast version of Hudslam a little bit, and 1063 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 4: I just got to be around these performers that just 1064 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,720 Speaker 4: wanted to connect. So it's like it makes me sad 1065 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,560 Speaker 4: when people just think like they're all. 1066 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:50,839 Speaker 5: Their worth is. 1067 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 4: Just like gone because they're not there, or when I 1068 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 4: was in TNA, there'd be people that were killing it 1069 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 4: in TNA with their character like killing it, but they 1070 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 4: still behind the scenes when I talked to them, they 1071 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,560 Speaker 4: wanted that WWE it wasn't good enough. And it's like, 1072 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,640 Speaker 4: look what you have right now, this is awesome, Like 1073 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 4: you have this. You might not have that there, you 1074 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 4: might not be able to do this there. But it's 1075 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,239 Speaker 4: like my opinion, it's like this brainwash of you're not 1076 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 4: worth anything unless you're here. 1077 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 3: And I write that right, and that's why I try 1078 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 3: to just tell them that. Don't let them make you 1079 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,919 Speaker 3: feel that way, you know, Because yeah, I was sad 1080 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 3: when when I got released, because I think I was 1081 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 3: more sad because I didn't know what my next step 1082 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 3: was going to be at that point. Not so much 1083 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 3: I'm gone from the company because I really wasn't happy 1084 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 3: there anyway. But I've said it time and time again, 1085 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,080 Speaker 3: if I did not take that job there, you and 1086 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,120 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be as close as we are now. So 1087 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 3: that's the one good thing that I got out of it. 1088 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:56,839 Speaker 3: So happy about that. But tell everyone where they can 1089 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,080 Speaker 3: find you and how they can join your eighty seven projects. 1090 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 4: That you're doing eighty eight now. 1091 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:07,160 Speaker 3: Coming up. 1092 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,320 Speaker 4: Yes, So if you just go to Shelley'slinks dot com, 1093 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 4: everything is listed there. 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Long story short, Instagram deleted me 1103 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,799 Speaker 4: without any questions asked. And I have like thirty four 1104 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,800 Speaker 4: thousand followers, And for someone that hadn't been on TV 1105 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,840 Speaker 4: for so long, I was proud that, like I put 1106 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,440 Speaker 4: my time in and so it's like now with like 1107 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 4: when I work with other companies and things like that. 1108 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 4: It just helps me people with my little side gigs. 1109 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 3: What's your hand? What's your new handle? Because I follow 1110 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,320 Speaker 3: you on Instagram? What's your new handle? 1111 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,040 Speaker 4: Shelley from Cali for the number four has made pat 1112 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 4: number because they destroy Shelley from Kelly. 1113 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,880 Speaker 1: Just follow Look at that you got another you gotta do. 1114 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 3: What are we doing? The code for the shirt for 1115 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,360 Speaker 3: Eyes of Peer listeners. 1116 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,800 Speaker 4: Hell yeah. If you guys, Francine, when you go to 1117 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,840 Speaker 4: Good Vibrations boutique on anything, not just the shirts but anything, 1118 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 4: you will save ten percent off your order. 1119 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,080 Speaker 3: Listen to that. People get on over there and support 1120 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 3: my girl. It was a pleasure. Say cheese. 1121 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:39,239 Speaker 1: I'll tweet that out. 1122 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:39,880 Speaker 3: So say cheese. 1123 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,719 Speaker 1: We'll do a big smile. I'll use this picture. 1124 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, you get my boobs in here. 1125 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,400 Speaker 1: They say big cheese. Cheese. 1126 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:44,960 Speaker 4: Geez. 1127 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:49,759 Speaker 1: I'd love to tweet that out. 1128 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,080 Speaker 3: Love speaking with you and your points of view on 1129 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 3: things and mentioning your vagina once again. I always have 1130 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 3: to mention your vagina once per episode. Very disappointed, absolutely 1131 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 3: because I know you thought of me when you screamed 1132 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,160 Speaker 3: it out. To thank you for that. We will we 1133 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,239 Speaker 3: will FaceTime soon to uh you know, pull each other 1134 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 3: in on private stuff. But until until we meet again, 1135 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,600 Speaker 3: We'll have a wonderful weekend and we will talk very soon. 1136 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 3: All right, audio bye baby. If you want to follow 1137 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 3: me on social media, I can be found at e 1138 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 3: c w dver Francine. Twitter is my favorite platform to you, 1139 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 3: So give me a follow on that and uh with that. 1140 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 3: That is