Speaker 1: I am all in. Let's just you.
Speaker 2: I am all in with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I I'm all in podcast. iHeartRadio,
Speaker 1: iHeart media, iHeart podcast. We are going to break down
Speaker 1: the Netflix episode Gilmour episode Spring. I am enjoying a yeah,
Speaker 1: but they call them episodes, you know. And I'm joined
Speaker 1: by Amy Sigriman, and we are a skeleton crew today.
Speaker 1: But we've got the beating heart of the podcast right here,
Speaker 1: left ventricle, right ventricle with the heart of it.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna be here any second, so nobody.
Speaker 1: People will show up on the fly anyway, Amy and
Speaker 1: I are going to take you through.
Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to be eating, but yet I'm shoving
Speaker 3: something in my mouth. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm going to have a little drink. I mean, it's water.
Speaker 1: It's water.
Speaker 3: I was going to say he made it sound like
Speaker 3: it was a cocktail. It just but it's a beautiful
Speaker 3: glass in a nice beautiful gloves.
Speaker 1: And guess what's in here? Liquid IV is in here.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it has a small queue to
Speaker 3: that water that made it not look it looked a.
Speaker 1: Little funky drinking and drinking gin liquid.
Speaker 3: IV just to keep you healthier. Are you not feeling good?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? I drink it every day?
Speaker 3: What does it do for you?
Speaker 1: The liquid IV?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What does it do?
Speaker 1: It's like it hydrates you. It's an extra hydration after
Speaker 1: it works.
Speaker 3: It's water in your water.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's powder in your water.
Speaker 3: It's fully more wetness in your water.
Speaker 1: It expands the water molecule inside your cells or something. Doctor.
Speaker 3: So it's spring.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I'm just gonna say this, Okay. I think
Speaker 1: Luke issued the ultimate warning about, you know, about the show.
Speaker 1: Unintentionally he said, stop growing. You don't need to grow,
Speaker 1: okay in this episode when they were talking about diner
Speaker 1: in the franchise and holding yeah yeah really, I think
Speaker 1: that is a metaphor for, uh, the ambitions this, these
Speaker 1: very lofty ambitions of this particular film spring because it's
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls is a small town show, and it seems
Speaker 1: to resist this sort of expansion on a global nature.
Speaker 1: Rory's in London and then she's over here in a
Speaker 1: big fancy meeting, and then she's over here and she's
Speaker 1: flying her all around and you know, and then we're
Speaker 1: at chilten in Paris is donating one hundred. I The
Speaker 1: question that popped into my head is how many people
Speaker 1: discovered this show via the Netflix episodes or films and
Speaker 1: then went and watched the series and how they felt,
Speaker 1: Because if I had just discovered Gilmore Girls via Netflix episodes,
Speaker 1: I would have thought, Wow, these are pretty good and
Speaker 1: this is interesting.
Speaker 3: If anybody watched the films that did not watch the show,
Speaker 3: as the producer says she did, wait, Jackie, Jackie, get
Speaker 3: in here.
Speaker 1: I think there's a percentage of people that discovered it
Speaker 1: via twenty sixteen episodes.
Speaker 3: You watched the movies, I sure did, so I will
Speaker 3: answer Scott's question.
Speaker 1: So tell to take us through it. So you discovered
Speaker 1: on Netflix and you watched them. What was your reaction
Speaker 1: when you saw them.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed the movies because the way that they format
Speaker 4: it in like getting to know these characters and all
Speaker 4: of that, like taking you back to like I didn't get.
Speaker 5: All the nuances, but like I was well informed.
Speaker 4: Of these characters watching it, you know, like I got
Speaker 4: that Luke in that scene.
Speaker 5: I got that Luke was like I don't want anything
Speaker 5: to change.
Speaker 4: Okay, He's kind of like wants to be stuck, not
Speaker 4: stuck in his ways, but like he you know, likes
Speaker 4: things to be the same in a small town.
Speaker 5: So I enjoyed all of these all.
Speaker 1: Right, Now, when did you go back and watch the
Speaker 1: series after that?
Speaker 5: I did?
Speaker 1: And what did you think of the series? Did you what?
Speaker 1: Did the series blow you away? Or did you think, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not as good as the episodes?
Speaker 4: So the series I enjoyed. So it was all I'm
Speaker 4: all out of sorts. So I have watched seasons three
Speaker 4: through seven, but I when I came on to far Okay,
Speaker 4: this is so bizarre. When I came on to help produce,
Speaker 4: I started season three with you.
Speaker 5: Guys, and then I already seen the movies and I've
Speaker 5: already seen it. I know, I'm all out of sorts.
Speaker 5: And then when I went on atterneyle we we stopped.
Speaker 4: I think we were at like season five, and then
Speaker 4: I kept going and then I rewatched the movies again
Speaker 4: and then I got all the nuances and it was
Speaker 4: better a second time around.
Speaker 5: Wow, I know'd you. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I apologized because that never occurred to me, and we
Speaker 3: have proof right here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you are right.
Speaker 3: I guess that happened.
Speaker 4: I was a little jarred with like how quick the
Speaker 4: dialogue was because I wasn't used to that because I
Speaker 4: never watched the theories.
Speaker 5: But then I still enjoyed it because I'm from a
Speaker 5: small town, so I related to it. So I still
Speaker 5: enjoyed the small town is and the feel of it.
Speaker 3: And everybody, when Logan shows up, would you be like,
Speaker 3: who's that guy?
Speaker 5: Exactly? I didn't know, like when.
Speaker 3: Jess, I don't want to have any spoilers, but like
Speaker 3: when of these people come back, you're probably like, who's that?
Speaker 5: I like Milo because I was watching this as all right.
Speaker 1: So we so we experienced as a cast this incredible
Speaker 1: expansion of the fan base on a global basis that
Speaker 1: we didn't notice until we were doing pr for these
Speaker 1: Netflix episodes in twenty and sixteen, after we you know,
Speaker 1: when they were ramping up the pr and then in
Speaker 1: the ensuing years twenty seventeen, eighteen on to the present,
Speaker 1: the audiences are getting younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they
Speaker 1: are more legions of fans, the more dedicated, they're as dedicated.
Speaker 1: So I would love to see some numbers on how
Speaker 1: many fans there were globally before the Netflix episodes happened,
Speaker 1: or before anything even hit Netflix, because I know the series.
Speaker 1: You know, Netflix made a deal to have the series
Speaker 1: downloadable for the past what eight years or so, so
Speaker 1: I think that has really spiked the numbers globally. And
Speaker 1: then this it was just an explosion of fandom. Way
Speaker 1: It's like the fandoms just grew and grew and grow
Speaker 1: and grew since two thousands.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting to have a show that has grown
Speaker 3: right so much, right twenty years after it premiered. It's
Speaker 3: like Friends, there's five right, there's a handful of these Friends,
Speaker 3: a few of them that just keep finding an audience,
Speaker 3: keep finding an audience. But this is you know, it's
Speaker 3: pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: If we did if Warner Brothers announced that we were
Speaker 1: doing a reboot of the series and were they ordered
Speaker 1: twenty two episodes and the old gang was getting back
Speaker 1: together and we were going to shoot at Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: and you know, do it again, I bet you that
Speaker 1: audience would be massive, massive domestic art. I bet you
Speaker 1: the United States audience would exceed you know, fifteen million.
Speaker 3: Actually totally agree with you.
Speaker 1: In a completely fractured market. I mean, it would be
Speaker 1: the hit of hits because it's.
Speaker 3: How I feel about Sex and the City. And I
Speaker 3: know people have like their opinions about the reboot, but like,
Speaker 3: I'm so happy to have it because it's so this
Speaker 3: is so makes me sound crazy, but it gives me
Speaker 3: comfort to know that these people I love are around.
Speaker 1: Right, and they're still around exactly. You know what. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're not all in the right situations all the time,
Speaker 1: and they're not saying the right things are acting like themselves,
Speaker 1: but they look like them. But it's enough. At least
Speaker 1: they're there.
Speaker 3: It's more than enough. Like it's really great.
Speaker 1: I think the fans feel and felt the love at
Speaker 1: the time, even if they were like, ugh, I don't
Speaker 1: like this, this is what I think they still there's
Speaker 1: a part of them that, man, I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: they did this for sure.
Speaker 3: And watching the movies again, they are so much better now. Interestingly,
Speaker 3: I don't think Spring is as good as Winter, but
Speaker 3: a lot of people disagree with me that Winter's the
Speaker 3: worst one. But I still totally enjoyed it. Like I
Speaker 3: had a great time watching it. It was not work
Speaker 3: or homework. It was just like, oh, I'm so lucky
Speaker 3: to get to watch this again, and I do have
Speaker 3: to say I'm really glad that Matt zukries in this episode. Also,
Speaker 3: it's like Logan is important to this in my opinion.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Should we go through it? Danielle. I
Speaker 3: know you're not gonna like to hear this, but you're
Speaker 3: in charge today of taking us through it.
Speaker 2: No, on the eleventh of never, Absolutely, Danielle.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're coming.
Speaker 2: We'll take you through the synopsis any day of the week.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Danielle, you go.
Speaker 2: If you gave me a heads up, I will do
Speaker 2: I can do the next one.
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, So what I'm doing it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing that.
Speaker 3: I mean me and my bottle size for you. Okay. Well,
Speaker 3: I gotta get my notes up, but all.
Speaker 2: Right, I'll synopsize while you get your notes up. All right, guys.
Speaker 2: So this is a year in the Live Episode two
Speaker 2: spring air date November twenty fifth, twenty sixteen. Synopsis. Rory's
Speaker 2: secret London affair continue news and her career doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to be going anywhere. Luke gets a surprise offer from
Speaker 2: Richard's will, while Lorelei and Emily continue their therapy. Michelle
Speaker 2: is having a work crisis and Paris has a meltdown
Speaker 2: in the Chilton bathroom.
Speaker 3: So okay, so let's call out the flag right away, right, uh, Tristan.
Speaker 3: Tristan like, why do we need to have? Like that
Speaker 3: was just dumb, Like why do I need to It
Speaker 3: was not Chad?
Speaker 1: Obviously, No, it wasn't Chad.
Speaker 3: It was just so dumb.
Speaker 1: And I remember that bathroom scene with Paris being I
Speaker 1: don't know, it was just rant. It really proves that
Speaker 1: these you know, it seems like Rory was in a
Speaker 1: lot of this episode with all of these supporting characters
Speaker 1: and well especially Paris, but.
Speaker 3: It didn't have quite an enough. I did enjoy the.
Speaker 1: Therapy, we can I did not. I did not great.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll talk, I love I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get chronological. I mean, we'd started out with therapy,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was boring because it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to watch these women analyze why they don't
Speaker 1: like each other. I just I just want to see
Speaker 1: them going nuts on each other.
Speaker 2: Well, and I don't like about the therapy is the therapist.
Speaker 2: The therapist wants absolutely nothing to do with helping us.
Speaker 2: She was out and I'm like I wish the therapists would.
Speaker 2: I would I would like it more if she had,
Speaker 2: if she was trying to force them to talk, you know,
Speaker 2: like instead of being like, oh, look is up.
Speaker 3: So in this particular scene, this is the first one
Speaker 3: where they're just saying nothing basically, and then they kind
Speaker 3: of the thing that made me giggle was the Atlantis
Speaker 3: Morrisset line, because I'm pretty sure that's in this part
Speaker 3: where she goes, it's it ironic and Emily goes, do
Speaker 3: you have any idea what she's talking about? And the
Speaker 3: therapist kind of goes, yeah, yeah, I do. And so
Speaker 3: I thought the therapist was pretty good at the innuendo,
Speaker 3: and I thought the.
Speaker 1: Banter was good, the dialogue was good. There was a
Speaker 1: couple of chuckles here in the first therapy scene because
Speaker 1: they kept going they went back three or four times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just thought this is a show that moves
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it was too static and frozen point
Speaker 1: sitting in that it's a show that moves forward, it
Speaker 1: moves us forward, and here we are frozen and talking
Speaker 1: about the past, and we've already dealt with all of
Speaker 1: these issues in the show, and to have it come
Speaker 1: to this kind of a you know, a loggerheads sitting
Speaker 1: in the therapist's office. I just don't know that that
Speaker 1: worked for this show. I think it works on other shows,
Speaker 1: and I know it was a trend at the time.
Speaker 1: You much, but over analyzing Gilmore Girls is not a
Speaker 1: fun experience.
Speaker 3: It's interesting you say this, okay, because this is sort
Speaker 3: of if I don't want to give a spoiler, but
Speaker 3: to me, now that Laura's going to therapy on her own,
Speaker 3: it's leading us to something that happens in the in
Speaker 3: the next episodes. Well, is the thing I don't like
Speaker 3: about the movies the most. I won't talk about it yet,
Speaker 3: but there's something coming that I'm like, this is just
Speaker 3: so dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's only thing one thing worse than
Speaker 1: introducing uh, this therapy element to it.
Speaker 3: Flex Kingston.
Speaker 1: No, she was the best thing in it, Actually.
Speaker 3: I did. I find that whole thing to be so I.
Speaker 1: Know, but the storyline she's a great actress, and she
Speaker 1: was entertaining and she created a really memory of fun character.
Speaker 3: Oh but did she I find that whole storyline to
Speaker 3: be so grading And well.
Speaker 1: I like to watch the acting and she's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's fantastic. I just thought that this therapy thing was
Speaker 1: you know, it opened up a portal into this world
Speaker 1: where now Laurel is going to sit in therapy and
Speaker 1: sort of destroy her relationship with Luke. And it was
Speaker 1: just it's true, I don't want to know. Don't tell me.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know. I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: I cans and no, I'm not going to tell you.
Speaker 3: Don't worry, I'm going tell you.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's a trojan horse going into this
Speaker 1: destruction of the show almost and I thought, this is serious.
Speaker 1: This is a serious shift in tone. It's a serious
Speaker 1: shift and intention. It's a very serious shift for the
Speaker 1: sake of Laurel I eventually exploring her freedom and her independence,
Speaker 1: and this is not what she wants. And I thought,
Speaker 1: this is it's it's a downer to watch something like this,
Speaker 1: to deconstruct all of this. You know, the hopes and
Speaker 1: dreams of a fan base is basically what it is.
Speaker 1: It's an assault on the fan base.
Speaker 3: I think you bring up in an excellent point with that,
Speaker 3: and you sort of.
Speaker 1: Alluded to why. I don't know why they would do it.
Speaker 3: You look to it earlier in that It's like, did
Speaker 3: we really need everything to be in London, Like why
Speaker 3: don't we just keep stars Hollow and maybe New York
Speaker 3: because it's so close, Like it is weird when we're
Speaker 3: not in stars Hollow, which brings me to this next
Speaker 3: scene that I do enjoy because it's the Spring Festival,
Speaker 3: so we're really getting kind of very Gilmoury. Right, they
Speaker 3: got all the foods and some people didn't show.
Speaker 1: Up, and I actually thought that that was like an
Speaker 1: attempt at Gilmoury. It was fair, it was reasonable. It
Speaker 1: was a reasonable facsimile thereof of a Gilmore festival in
Speaker 1: the town center to the gazebe I mean, everybody, it's right,
Speaker 1: and it just didn't. It wasn't clicking the way it's.
Speaker 3: A little you're You're totally right. It's like we're doing it,
Speaker 3: which I was happy about. Okay, this is Gilmore. We're
Speaker 3: seeing our friends. We see accent Elaine, we see missus Kim,
Speaker 3: we see mister Kiss. Was very exciting. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 3: But you're right in the sense that, like I thought
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 1: Odd, that mister Kim thing was odd and weird.
Speaker 3: Only because she just wanted to like Amy and Dan
Speaker 3: wanted to make dress that because it was such a and.
Speaker 1: Then we get we got a really angry Kirk. Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen Kirk so angry and unappealing? I mean
Speaker 1: it just seemed crazy. It's like, what is a little off?
Speaker 3: That's the thing, and you you're right in that, like
Speaker 3: the festival's a little off. It's like my same hashtag
Speaker 3: trying too hard now it's sort of hashtag trying.
Speaker 1: And then there's like this big hug with Lorelei and Jackson.
Speaker 1: When have they ever hugged?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: And also they see each other all the time because.
Speaker 1: I see each other at the time. Now there's this
Speaker 1: big hug and it's like it was just like, what
Speaker 1: what is this? Is this the you guys? This? Uh?
Speaker 2: With Rachel Ray? But I'll get there.
Speaker 3: Lead well, Rachel Ray was first of all, don't even
Speaker 3: get me started on the sandy because there's nothing I
Speaker 3: hate more than when people call sandwich is sammy. But anyway,
Speaker 3: we'll get to that.
Speaker 2: We'll get there. We'll get there.
Speaker 3: That just makes me like I just can't. I'm like,
Speaker 3: please please don't call it that, like it's so bad, Like,
Speaker 3: don't so I almost think like they're making fun of
Speaker 3: Rachel Ray for calling it a sammy but she doesn't know,
Speaker 3: and then oh god, I don't even want.
Speaker 2: It, but we'll get there.
Speaker 3: The problem for me too was there was that weird
Speaker 3: and I won't get into it, but there was a
Speaker 3: weird viral video of Rachel Ray going around right now.
Speaker 3: So when I watched it, all I could think of
Speaker 3: was that, and I'm like, oh God, like.
Speaker 1: Was was she an actress before she did her talk She's.
Speaker 3: Just like a talk show host.
Speaker 1: That's why it's so like she's just her personality.
Speaker 3: It's just hashtag trying too hard in that their throat
Speaker 3: because they don't have Suki right. They're trying to overcompensate
Speaker 3: with Roychroy and Rachel Ray, which I get was a
Speaker 3: good idea, but they're such bad actors, Like Rachel Ray's
Speaker 3: an aprociously bad actor in that like a little sammy,
Speaker 3: and then she's like talking to her, she doesn't even
Speaker 3: say suki right, like it was just anyway, anyway, we're
Speaker 3: not there yet.
Speaker 2: It makes us miss the character more that they're not there.
Speaker 2: I agree, it's like, okay, Sukie, he's not there. Mosta
Speaker 2: McCarthy's not there. This is slopping it across my face
Speaker 2: that she's not there right.
Speaker 1: And you also you only get into the kitchen by
Speaker 1: having to stand in front of a screaming maniac spitting
Speaker 1: Michelle ranting for ten minutes for no real hinged. It
Speaker 1: was like for me.
Speaker 3: Because he has B level celebrities that is in like
Speaker 3: who they're doing.
Speaker 1: And then and the actors were actually doing like workouts
Speaker 1: in the dining room. I've never seen anything so preposterous
Speaker 1: in my life. Like there was a guy on a
Speaker 1: balance ball doing working on as abs and it's like
Speaker 1: right next to the table. I said, where have you? In?
Speaker 1: What world would this happen?
Speaker 3: Totally you know?
Speaker 1: And then and then there was a guy it was like.
Speaker 3: And there's a guy's cruising with a skateboard. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what's happening?
Speaker 1: But they went there a couple of times in the
Speaker 1: in a film by In another film by Kirk, you
Speaker 1: had but Betting Morey cooking the hot dogs on a
Speaker 1: grill that.
Speaker 3: I actually enjoyed that that part. I gonna agree with
Speaker 3: you on the inn and a bunch of things. The
Speaker 3: movie theater scene, I totally was like Indo because it's
Speaker 3: so funny when He's like, please don't bring food in
Speaker 3: from outside. We're going out of order. Because they say
Speaker 3: that at every movie while I pull out my Chipotle, Do.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like literally everyone does that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think they ruined that movie. I think
Speaker 1: they really ruined that movie theater scene by making that
Speaker 1: phone ring so damn much, because all I can think
Speaker 1: about it is like, shut the phone up, and it's
Speaker 1: and it's like Luke's phone, dude. It's like it's like Luke,
Speaker 1: who's the preaching the gospel of self, don't know cell phones?
Speaker 3: Because it was Emily and it was almost like hot potato,
Speaker 3: Like you didn't want to that scene. I'm going to
Speaker 3: give that scene.
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to hear a ringing phone that much.
Speaker 1: In the scene, I can't.
Speaker 3: Right, We're away unhinged, We're totally.
Speaker 1: Man throwing all kinds of bombs at this. Yeah.
Speaker 3: People don't like this one. I think I liked it
Speaker 3: more than most. In the festival scene, it was weird
Speaker 3: because obviously she sees Jackson and we're trying to overcome
Speaker 3: and sate that Sukie's not there, but we want to
Speaker 3: get Jackson in. I was happy to see Jackson. Then
Speaker 3: we sort of have the wink wink because she buys
Speaker 3: the basket. She bids on the basket.
Speaker 1: How about the basket joke? And then we see Cassie
Speaker 1: at the end of the scene sitting in a picnic
Speaker 1: blanket with LORELEI. Who the heck is Cassie?
Speaker 3: First of all, A we've never seen her before.
Speaker 1: I had to suffer through the Cassie's basket joke. Oh dirty,
Speaker 1: I know you know, and it's like what it was?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm gonna take a pill.
Speaker 2: You guys, I have a confession. Can I tell you what?
Speaker 1: You didn't watch?
Speaker 2: No, I watch it. It took me three nights to
Speaker 2: watch this.
Speaker 1: I kept I stopped taking notes at twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 1: I was just like, all I'm going to be doing writing,
Speaker 1: I have to stop.
Speaker 2: And right, I've never gone to sleep in a Gilmore
Speaker 2: Girl's episode. I fell asleep three guys.
Speaker 1: I drifted a couple of times.
Speaker 3: I kind of enjoyed it. I kind of enjoyed it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's good. We need one of us to one of
Speaker 3: us liked it enough. I uh Sandy, So Sandy says
Speaker 3: also kind of calls during the festival, which I will
Speaker 3: point out that actress is from Bunheads, Stay tuned, stay
Speaker 3: tuned Bunheads fans. So she's from Bunheads, but she's gone
Speaker 3: on to do she was onto what is her name?
Speaker 3: Somebody needs to tell me what her name is?
Speaker 1: Foster, Oh that's not.
Speaker 2: Julia Gouldani tell us, Yes, so she also was from Bunhead.
Speaker 3: So obviously Amy Sherman Palladino likes being with her, and
Speaker 3: she went on to be in Somebody Keep Me Honest
Speaker 3: The Affair, which she was excellent in that show. Yes,
Speaker 3: so she was on that Showtime show, The Affair, and
Speaker 3: so she and she was really good. So I like her.
Speaker 3: I just don't like the character of Sandy. I also
Speaker 3: find it completely insane. Rory and I are in lockstep
Speaker 3: on this that she's pursuing Rory and then suddenly like
Speaker 3: it's like she wasn't. It was just that was so
Speaker 3: weird and dumb. All right, So we leave stars Hollow
Speaker 3: from the festival and we head to London where we
Speaker 3: see Naomi and Scott. You're liking it, and I'm like this.
Speaker 1: Well, it's finally listen. It's the difference between TV acting
Speaker 1: and stage acting, and you know, there's different levels of acting,
Speaker 1: and it seems like, you know, to put somebody like
Speaker 1: Alexis versus Alex Kinston, you know, put those two in
Speaker 1: a scene together, you're gonna see totally different techniques. And
Speaker 1: Alex Kingston is bringing a theater technique and she's bringing
Speaker 1: you know, she's created a character from scratch and and
Speaker 1: and it's just this sort of amazing comedic performance, completely
Speaker 1: connected and and and you know, Alexis doesn't have that
Speaker 1: kind of experience on stage, right, she doesn't have that training.
Speaker 1: She's very natural, she's very appealing. She's really good with
Speaker 1: light comedy, very breezy, very easy. You know, she's she's
Speaker 1: got a lot of really really great attributes that you'd
Speaker 1: want an actress to have, But put up against somebody
Speaker 1: with the resume of an Alex Kingston, your eyes just
Speaker 1: go right to Alex Kingston. And I just thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I could I could watch this forever. I can
Speaker 1: watch a master craftsman crafting for a long time.
Speaker 5: And that.
Speaker 1: No, I I loved her. I loved her that character.
Speaker 3: Now I did misspeak because first before her, we have
Speaker 3: the lunch scene with so we we open up on
Speaker 3: Logan and Rory, which I was happy about. And they're
Speaker 3: in this nice restaurant eating and be bop. Hello, here
Speaker 3: comes mitchm So this is where we get the Mitcham reveal.
Speaker 3: He's in the same restaurant, and Rory's kind of shook
Speaker 3: because she realizes, like, hey, does Mitcham know something's going
Speaker 3: on with us?
Speaker 1: You know, here's another example of a real Bravora talent
Speaker 1: coming on screen and lighting up the screen the way
Speaker 1: Alex Kingston. Here's comes Greg Henry and it's like boom,
Speaker 1: there's this big energy and there's this character and he's
Speaker 1: bold and and then these two, you know, it's it
Speaker 1: seemed like Alexis and Matt were or I'm sorry, Rory
Speaker 1: and Logan were depres They seem like depressed people almost
Speaker 1: where they don't have a lot of energy and they're
Speaker 1: just sort of like getting through their day. And I mean,
Speaker 1: there's nothing there's nothing wrong with that, but but but
Speaker 1: it's like compared to the energy of a Greg Henry
Speaker 1: and you know, Mitcham huntsburger and an Alex Kingston's name.
Speaker 3: You're not wrong, Greg Henry s right. Mitcham rolls in
Speaker 3: and it's like woo, and we're all kind of like
Speaker 3: the big reveal and Mitcham and like for core fans,
Speaker 3: they're like, aha, another surprise character.
Speaker 1: And nobody's and and and you know, and and Rory
Speaker 1: and Logan are not being terribly expressive with each other.
Speaker 3: And they're not You're right that they don't seem happy,
Speaker 3: and we unfortunately get the reveal that he's engaged to
Speaker 3: Odette or whatever name was, and that was.
Speaker 2: Where you like, what, Yeah, for sure, I'm like, there's
Speaker 2: so much bird to this. I can't even handle it
Speaker 2: so bad. I'm starting to realize white people don't like
Speaker 2: Logan and I hate to say that that's so heartbreaking
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: It's also Rory.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I don't like Rory since season one.
Speaker 2: I hate to break it to everybody.
Speaker 3: Logan, okay, so let's let's rip off the band aid.
Speaker 3: Logan is blatantly cheating on his fiance now maybe they have.
Speaker 2: Something, and cheating on her boyfriend, right, but what I
Speaker 2: know she shuts herself up for such like why are
Speaker 2: you doing this?
Speaker 3: Why don't you just say to Logan Paul of the engagement,
Speaker 3: let's be together, Like obviously these two love each other.
Speaker 3: We know that they're totally drawn to each other. They
Speaker 3: are kind of endgame, and why are we even dealing
Speaker 3: with this? And it's so weird. Why is he engaged
Speaker 3: to someone else and not her when he clearly wants
Speaker 3: to be with her? And why is she even with
Speaker 3: the guy she didn't even know his name. It's just
Speaker 3: it's super.
Speaker 2: Dumb, very dumb, very very dumb. And also it's like
Speaker 2: her being so self conscious that Mitcham saw them, Like,
Speaker 2: I get it, but then I'm also like, you're making
Speaker 2: it a bigger deal than it needs to be. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: It's just weird, you're so self conscious about it and worried.
Speaker 3: Why are you doing it?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 3: Like, and if do you really care what Mitcham thinks?
Speaker 3: We've been through that for ten years, and why are
Speaker 3: you doing this? Why are you doing this?
Speaker 1: Also, it doesn't work structurally as a film because I
Speaker 1: already know what it's supposed to be about, but it
Speaker 1: really doesn't stay on that spine right. The storytelling seems
Speaker 1: to be all over the place because it establishes this movie.
Speaker 1: This episode, this ninety minutes is about a mother daughter
Speaker 1: passing it out in the therapist's office and where this
Speaker 1: is going to lead, and it's like uh oh, and
Speaker 1: then we now we're all over the place.
Speaker 3: It's so funny you say that it's.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven minutes. I stopped taking notes.
Speaker 3: I watched this a couple of days ago, like two days.
Speaker 1: My hand's tired.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and I watched this two days ago. And
Speaker 3: when I got I got I started to come sit
Speaker 3: down here, and I'm like, what happened in spring Like
Speaker 3: it's kind of a gooblelygook mess Like.
Speaker 1: Well, everything happened, and nothing happened. Therefore nothing happened. So
Speaker 1: many things happened that you don't know. You can't remember
Speaker 1: one thing that happened.
Speaker 3: Therapy, We've got logan, We've got we've.
Speaker 1: Lost your appetite, Like, you know, you don't feel that
Speaker 1: good and you're kind of sleepy.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, Messie, it's super messy. It's messy,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: So we thought this episode literally, and I kind of
Speaker 2: said this earlier, it literally made me miss everything about
Speaker 2: Goma Girls. So I don't know if it was intentional,
Speaker 2: like the fact that Suki wasn't there, the fact that
Speaker 2: Tristan was not real Tristan I was.
Speaker 3: That was bad bananas. I was totally bananas.
Speaker 2: Do you here yet? Like you know, I'm like, guys,
Speaker 2: where are all the things that I love about Gilmore girls?
Speaker 2: It's missing from this episode?
Speaker 3: And why have a fake Tristan? Just don't have Tristan
Speaker 3: at all? Why have I don't have as much issue
Speaker 3: with just a surprise.
Speaker 1: There's like a quick cut to an old Korean guys.
Speaker 3: Like they just wanted to say he exists because because
Speaker 3: people had wondered is there a mister Kim? So I
Speaker 3: think that was their way of going, like, here's an
Speaker 3: easter egg, here's mister Kim, but the fake Chad, like
Speaker 3: we don't need that, like we didn't.
Speaker 2: And also, not only would Tristan come back, but a
Speaker 2: whole storyline about Tristan who's not really there, who.
Speaker 3: Got kicked out of school, right he's not going to
Speaker 3: go back to children, I know her alumni day and
Speaker 3: giving money and the whole thing, like that's the last thing.
Speaker 1: That looked like he had a head twice the side
Speaker 1: of Chat, twice the size of Chat.
Speaker 2: I think his hair was brown like.
Speaker 3: And was it weird that we didn't get who'sy and doozy?
Speaker 3: But we did get what's her face? Give me the
Speaker 3: names he didn't get, you know, Whosy and Doozy, you know,
Speaker 3: the two best friends from Chilton that I.
Speaker 2: Love, Madeline and Franz and Louise.
Speaker 3: No, it was we got Francy.
Speaker 2: Madeline and Louise. You're right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I'm not alone with people. The names are
Speaker 3: hard guys. So that was weird, but we're not there yet.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Now we go back to the town meeting and Taylor
Speaker 3: really wants the gay Pride parade, which I did.
Speaker 2: And there's no way people in stars Hollow.
Speaker 3: First of all, that's kind of weird, but I did
Speaker 3: I have to say this when Gypsy says was there
Speaker 3: any one else that could be in the parade? That
Speaker 3: I was kind of a musing, like come on. So
Speaker 3: that was That was all good. But then we're just
Speaker 3: getting all this sort of like stuff about the parade
Speaker 3: and you know so and so, and then we get
Speaker 3: the B list celebrities or at the inn and YadA YadA,
Speaker 3: and the big names or you know in the neighboring
Speaker 3: town Woodbury. It's just kind of like messy. And then
Speaker 3: there's the like hint of.
Speaker 1: We have let me, let me, let me just comment
Speaker 1: on this. Do you know how hard it is to
Speaker 1: just become a C level celebrity or a B level celebrity.
Speaker 1: It's like, do you have many A list celebrities there
Speaker 1: are in the world.
Speaker 3: We'd all be stoked to have some B listers that.
Speaker 1: Are ten maybe ten. You think there's ten.
Speaker 3: I think there's a No. I could name one hundred
Speaker 3: A listers right now, just if you wanted me.
Speaker 1: Hundred people and one business in a global business. There's
Speaker 1: one hundred people.
Speaker 3: Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Sanders Winsley, Matthew McConaughey, Jennifer Lope
Speaker 3: has been Affleck, Matt Damon. I mean I can name
Speaker 3: a hundred, I think, but I can name five hundred B.
Speaker 1: I think acting is not an honored profession and I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be surprised or offended I.
Speaker 3: Get named so many. Oh, there's many movie stars, and
Speaker 3: yes there are B listers, but B listers are like great,
Speaker 3: but also so is Joe Schmoe if he's paying the
Speaker 3: bills at the end, Like why are we caring?
Speaker 1: But I think it's unfortunate language. It sounded disparaging against
Speaker 1: actors and I kind of took offense to it, not wanting.
Speaker 3: To because you're an actor.
Speaker 1: Well you know, listen, you know, our job as actors
Speaker 1: is to tell stories that can affect people's lives in
Speaker 1: very positive ways. Obviously, the actors that you know, the
Speaker 1: B level actors or the C level actors all in
Speaker 1: this show, and you know a couple of you know,
Speaker 1: melissimated through the A List helped a lot of people
Speaker 1: throughout the world. And to have the writers of the
Speaker 1: show that created this make a joke about the levels
Speaker 1: of actors and the B list and they're not wanted
Speaker 1: and they're just vain, ridiculous people who all they want
Speaker 1: to do is look at themselves in the mirror and
Speaker 1: workout I thought, you know what that few man. You
Speaker 1: know what I do and what actors do. It's a
Speaker 1: great responsibility to represent humanity properly, and we, you know,
Speaker 1: we take grain great pride and great pains in doing that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that it's offensive to actors to be called
Speaker 3: a B actor or a C actor, D the D list.
Speaker 3: I get it, you're not wrong, but it's also so
Speaker 3: like inveracular, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, I almost turn it off at that point.
Speaker 1: I really did, Danielle, I agree with you. I almost
Speaker 1: I almost flipped it off, and I wasn't gonna watch
Speaker 1: the rest of it because it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: as an audience, this thing has to hold my attention, right,
Speaker 1: and the show I'm so used to the show appealing
Speaker 1: to the better rangees of my nature and this episode
Speaker 1: didn't appeal to any of them. In fact, it was grating.
Speaker 1: And the only you know, buoy that I had while
Speaker 1: I was drowning was you know, a couple of characters
Speaker 1: that it was like, somebody saved me from this.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't think it was as bad as you guys.
Speaker 3: That being said, it was way too much talk of
Speaker 3: mini fridges. I was like, I don't use the mini fridge, right,
Speaker 3: I don't care if they have many fridges. There's that
Speaker 3: one Smeg brand that's kind of cool if if that's
Speaker 3: in your hotel room because it's so fancy, and that
Speaker 3: for the per I.
Speaker 1: Haven't seen Michelle this upset for this long ever, and
Speaker 1: it just I just didn't think it was a good look.
Speaker 3: It was you're not wrong, okay now, and Laura LII
Speaker 3: and you're on the phone with Liz who's joined a cult.
Speaker 3: Now does Liz never show up in this She does not,
Speaker 3: does not come back.
Speaker 1: So not in this episode. I don't know about others,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to know.
Speaker 3: I can't remember, but so we don't have Liz, but
Speaker 3: we're talking to Liz and TJ. They've joined a cult,
Speaker 3: paul Anka vegetable cult. This is where they go to.
Speaker 3: They have dinner, which was kind of cute. I think
Speaker 3: they sort of like maybe had takeout. They definitely had
Speaker 3: a takeout salad. I think, you guys are watching a movie,
Speaker 3: then it's bedtime, and then she has the dream about
Speaker 3: paul Anka when we see the real paul Anka. So
Speaker 3: we're kind of having a call back to that from
Speaker 3: season six, I think season six.
Speaker 1: I mean at this point, I had no idea what
Speaker 1: was going going on, to be honest with you, it
Speaker 1: was just the whole thing was bizarre.
Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing that I took from this
Speaker 2: scene at least was that Laurlai thinks Michelle's leaving and
Speaker 2: that was sad.
Speaker 3: And we still yeah, she still doesn't know about Logan
Speaker 3: because she calls Rory in London, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: she's just so stupid.
Speaker 6: Well, also Rory would have told Laurai like and also
Speaker 6: Lorlai would know she's always she was always one step
Speaker 6: ahead of Rory, like she would know, right, she's not
Speaker 6: like d D all right.
Speaker 3: So then we're back in therapy and they're kind of
Speaker 3: having a bad moment and then they're laughing hysterically about
Speaker 3: so we understand, and then they're back mad at each other.
Speaker 3: There's some reference to a letter and Laura's like, I
Speaker 3: didn't write you a letter, though I do think we
Speaker 3: could pay off on that later I'm remembering, but maybe not. Anyway,
Speaker 3: that was kind of dumb. Now we go to London
Speaker 3: and this is where Naomi is just like just freaking
Speaker 3: out about something boyfriend and.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love everything about her.
Speaker 3: I couldn't dislike it more So, Rory and Logan are
Speaker 3: kind of there while she's on the phone with Naomi
Speaker 3: Slash Alex Kingston, and this is where Rory's like, well,
Speaker 3: I could stay. And then we find out Odette's coming
Speaker 3: and it's kind of actually just.
Speaker 5: Sad, just sad.
Speaker 1: Oh there's a bummer of a scene. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was it was a low energy, depressing scene between the
Speaker 1: two of them and.
Speaker 3: I'm just dealing, right, I'm dealing with this annoying Naomi.
Speaker 3: And then it's just like, oh great, So now I'm
Speaker 3: depressed because Rory's cheating with Logan, and Logan's cheating with Rory,
Speaker 3: and this odette woman's coming and I can't even have
Speaker 3: this couple be together that I want to have together.
Speaker 3: So now we're at the movie.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed this, this scene. I enjoyed the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed everyone sneaking their food in. I enjoyed. But
Speaker 3: Beet and Maury with their grill making, Like what do
Speaker 3: they street meat?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: How like when you come out of a concert and
Speaker 3: they're always selling those hot dogs that smell like heaven
Speaker 3: on Earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the tailgate inside.
Speaker 3: No, But like, you know, have you ever come out
Speaker 3: of a concert and there's all those hot dog vendors? Yes,
Speaker 3: and it's like bacon wrapped hot dog. First of all,
Speaker 3: I never will do it because I'm afraid they don't
Speaker 3: refrigerate them properly.
Speaker 1: What concerts? What kind of concerts?
Speaker 3: Where are you all concerts?
Speaker 1: Whenever I walk out of concerts, all they'd smell was marijuana.
Speaker 3: Nope, there's you'll smell. It's called street meat. And there's
Speaker 3: hot dog vendors everywhere everywhere. I'm going to that the
Speaker 3: football games, Sofa Stadium, Staples Center, everywhere, everywhere in La
Speaker 3: everywhere you go. It's like a huge business. They sell
Speaker 3: because people are so starving when they come out of
Speaker 3: those games, and they pay like they're not cheap. I
Speaker 3: think it's like eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah the hot dog you're missing out. Those are deh.
Speaker 3: So one time, I will say, I came out of
Speaker 3: a concert with Jenna Escoto and I said to Jenna, Ooh,
Speaker 3: how much would I have to pay you to eat that?
Speaker 3: And she goes, pay me. I would love to eat that.
Speaker 2: Honestly.
Speaker 3: They smell like heaven because they're thrilling, and they're like
Speaker 3: bacon wrapped. But I just have such fears that the
Speaker 3: bacon has not been properly refrigerated. Yeah, Scott, you're right guy,
Speaker 3: it's dia rhea. Anyway, So I thought the movie was hilarious.
Speaker 3: I thought the scene was hilarious. I thought the phone
Speaker 3: ringing was hilarious. That Emily's calling and wants to see
Speaker 3: Luke and the whole thing. I was like, I'm amused.
Speaker 1: Thought, Yeah, I thought the movie. Scene was good up
Speaker 1: until the phone started ringing, and I just wanted to
Speaker 1: see the film by Kirk. I didn't want to be
Speaker 1: distracted by it. You know, I thought the film by
Speaker 1: Kirk was film by kerk that's another film by Kirk.
Speaker 1: Second film by Kirk. I thought it was excellent. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a wonderful piece of student filmmaking.
Speaker 3: Pig.
Speaker 1: I love thee the Death of the Pig. It was just,
Speaker 1: you know, it was lighthearted and funny and fun and
Speaker 1: that's that's how I want to see Kirk, you know,
Speaker 1: dressed up as a raiser head. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love Lululu's love for Kirk. She just has undying
Speaker 3: love for Kirk. She hasn't left him in eight year.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's ten, I gotta do the math. Maybe it's twelve.
Speaker 3: I don't know. When she came on the scene, she's
Speaker 3: totally adorable and she loves Kirk.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a funny bit before they sat down.
Speaker 1: She goes, Kirk and I have done unimaginable things on
Speaker 1: this couch and Luke says that too late. Where you
Speaker 1: know he sat down.
Speaker 3: So good too. So okay, that scene I'm going to
Speaker 3: give a thumbs up. Okay, Now we go over to
Speaker 3: the Gilmour's, to Emily's and Emily's first like, Lourlai, why
Speaker 3: are you here? And then we find out that she's
Speaker 3: got something to tell Luke. She brings him into the
Speaker 3: study that in the library. Whatever?
Speaker 1: But what what? What is? What treachery is? What treachery
Speaker 1: is afoot here? Why can't Luke put on his big
Speaker 1: boy pants and go over? I mean, why are they
Speaker 1: portraying this guy such a wuss that he's so afraid
Speaker 1: of Emily? Okay, this is a grown ass man who's
Speaker 1: the woman he's in love with it and has been
Speaker 1: living with and fights him over to have dinner. Why
Speaker 1: can't he just go without him? Like?
Speaker 3: Mother in laws?
Speaker 1: Yourself nervous teenage here and his mommy's got to go
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 3: Do you go to your mother in laws a lot
Speaker 3: without your wife?
Speaker 1: If she invited me to dinner, I would go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Danielle, have you ever been to your mother in
Speaker 3: laws without John?
Speaker 2: I hang out with John's mom a lot without Fine.
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, you guys are right then I'm gonna give.
Speaker 1: You It's it's the destruction of a character. Where have
Speaker 1: you ever seen. He just acts like an idiot inside
Speaker 1: that house. You know.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, I think the point is to make him
Speaker 2: look like a fish out of water. But like it's
Speaker 2: it's it's hurting his character, like you said, because Luke
Speaker 2: in Stars Hollow is the man right, like he is
Speaker 2: the guy is a dark story.
Speaker 1: But and why isn't Laurel I respecting his you know,
Speaker 1: his boundaries at all. It's like, I'm gonna go have
Speaker 1: dinner with your mother. So that's a scene like, hey, no,
Speaker 1: she invited me, I'm going. You're not going with me.
Speaker 1: I'm not a baby. I don't need my mommy there.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, what is happening with this this character.
Speaker 3: I'm unbothered by it, but I can you guys can
Speaker 3: be bothered by it. I'm unbothered by it. It sort
Speaker 3: of tracks. It's always with the way it is with Emily,
Speaker 3: like I'm not going alone. I'm not going I'll go
Speaker 3: with you. Oh fine, you know, and then she ignores
Speaker 3: Laura and then she calls him in the study. I
Speaker 3: don't know Richard's office. Whatever it is, it is.
Speaker 1: It is emasculating, is what it is.
Speaker 3: I don't mind it, but I get you're don't mind Okay,
Speaker 3: I didn't mind the scene.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't mind the bit of it. I think it's
Speaker 3: a little bit amusing. She brings them in there. You know,
Speaker 3: she's sort of.
Speaker 1: You know, well, since he's now so stupid that he
Speaker 1: doesn't know what in vitro is, right, Okay.
Speaker 3: I agree with you on that one.
Speaker 1: That was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: This one is not as ridiculous For me.
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Fair.
Speaker 1: Fair, I'm throwing. I'm throwing, like what a refs get.
Speaker 1: They get a bunch of flags. I'm throwing like all
Speaker 1: of my.
Speaker 3: Flags, rejecting it from the game. You've given the ejection.
Speaker 1: I am yes, I might ban them from the league.
Speaker 3: I think it's fair. It's all a little off. We
Speaker 3: find out that Richard specifically left me for Luke. Now
Speaker 3: it's a little rough because it's specifically to grow the
Speaker 3: diner and franchise it, which was mentioned in the series.
Speaker 3: There is a point in the series where Richard talks
Speaker 3: about that it's kind of when you go golfing.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is all fine, but just to reject it
Speaker 1: out of hand as these crazy rich people wanting to
Speaker 1: take over my life and force me to do something
Speaker 1: I don't want to do. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: handled well. I think it's a bigger story point that
Speaker 1: needed more carefully crafted scenes, like real consideration, because to
Speaker 1: take I think he needed to take it seriously. I
Speaker 1: think he needed to contemplate it. I think he needed
Speaker 1: to talk about it with Lorelei, but in a way
Speaker 1: where he owns it, and he owns the decision, and
Speaker 1: he comes to the decision with the love of his
Speaker 1: life and then goes back to Emily and says, I
Speaker 1: thank you. I and act like a man, you know,
Speaker 1: act like somebody, and go back and rejects the idea.
Speaker 1: Reject the idea, but you know, be polite about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy put him in his will that
Speaker 1: that deserves respect.
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. I think it gets weird.
Speaker 3: So I don't mind the way this gave it a
Speaker 3: short ship. I don't mind the way the scene is
Speaker 3: handled where you go back out because.
Speaker 1: Now Luke's a minor character, he doesn't matter any more.
Speaker 3: I disagree. I disagree with that.
Speaker 1: I'm in the respect to develop.
Speaker 3: Disagree with that. Here the part that I think.
Speaker 1: Is ridiculous side dish at this point, and he's not respected.
Speaker 3: So I don't agree with that part. But the part
Speaker 3: I do agree with what you're saying is when he
Speaker 3: goes to.
Speaker 1: It's a fact. It's just a fact. It's not you know.
Speaker 1: It's like, how can you watch this thing and not
Speaker 1: see that this guy is a side dish At this point,
Speaker 1: they're pushing him so far to the side now, and
Speaker 1: I know where it's going that he's not going to
Speaker 1: exist soon. I know where this is going. I know
Speaker 1: where this is going.
Speaker 5: So do I.
Speaker 3: But at this point I don't agree with that. I
Speaker 3: think this scene is okay. The reason I say that,
Speaker 3: that's fine. We can disagree, but let me just say
Speaker 3: the point in case someone listening is like agrees or
Speaker 3: disagrees when he comes back and tells Florlai, like, your
Speaker 3: father left me money to grow the diner and she says, no,
Speaker 3: that's not happening. The reason I like about, what do
Speaker 3: you mean? Why is it up to her because you
Speaker 3: don't want it? You've been right? Why why I will
Speaker 3: long you don't want it?
Speaker 2: I will everyone?
Speaker 1: What about what about his daughter? He's got a daughter
Speaker 1: he wants to provide for too, so it's actually a
Speaker 1: gift that of what half a million dollars to start
Speaker 1: another diner and to franchise this out. This could be
Speaker 1: good for him and La.
Speaker 3: The character has never wanted her, could be.
Speaker 1: Good for April. I mean, there's no practical reason to
Speaker 1: reject it other.
Speaker 3: Than this guy is rejected it years ago.
Speaker 1: Dish At this point, I think the problem is everybody,
Speaker 1: so they can just.
Speaker 3: Do reject it. Guys, everybody, hold on one second, we
Speaker 3: do need to acknowledge oh wor spitting fire. But Luke
Speaker 3: rejected this idea years ago when Richard brought it up.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want I'm being true to the character. He
Speaker 3: doesn't want to franchise the diner. He doesn't want to
Speaker 3: get in.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to franchise change the thing. The problem here,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is no one is letting Luke speak.
Speaker 2: No one is letting Luke decide. Emily Richard are saying
Speaker 2: here's the money you need to franchise and saying he
Speaker 2: doesn't want this. So no one is letting Luke decide
Speaker 2: what he wants to do.
Speaker 3: But do you guys think Luke does want it? Because
Speaker 3: I think Luke doesn't want it.
Speaker 2: I think if he didn't, he would have said, Emily,
Speaker 2: see you next year, you know, like he would would
Speaker 2: have he would have told I felt like I feel
Speaker 2: like he would have.
Speaker 1: Right, he's not enough of a man now because he's
Speaker 1: been so marginalized and so castrated that he doesn't even
Speaker 1: have the stones even if he wanted it to stand
Speaker 1: up the Laura li and say, I think once it
Speaker 1: would be I think this, let me let me finish.
Speaker 1: I think this would be a good idea. Let's discuss it.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's the thing that drives a wedge between them,
Speaker 1: and she goes off, you know, hunting for you know,
Speaker 1: her her soul somewhere in Califoina. But I mean it's
Speaker 1: like you, It's like, okay, so if you're gonna open
Speaker 1: up this can of worms with this guy, at least
Speaker 1: give him the respect. And I don't need to repeat myself,
Speaker 1: but I do. I poorly handled and and all.
Speaker 3: I can say is it is bizarre when you go
Speaker 3: with the realtor. So my thing is until this point,
Speaker 3: you're you're being polite. This is her husband who's passed away,
Speaker 3: this is what he wanted. So so Luke's sort of
Speaker 3: like okay, thank you, let me, you know, talk to
Speaker 3: you later, tells Laura. The part it's unhinged and ridiculous
Speaker 3: is that Emily storms into the diner in the middle
Speaker 3: of the work day and forces Luke in the car
Speaker 3: like a like you know, he's being held with the
Speaker 3: you know, with.
Speaker 1: The woozy that he now is, and now he is
Speaker 1: going along with it.
Speaker 3: There are places that part, that's what a woo does.
Speaker 1: He just goes along that. He's not a character anymore,
Speaker 1: he's not Luke anymore.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm agreeing with you. I don't agree with
Speaker 3: it yet, but coming up it's like that was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: He would have been like Emily, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: go look at these places. And you know, yes, it's
Speaker 3: sort of amusing. He's going into these restaurants and being
Speaker 3: like sorry, sorry, sorry, and they're in the car and
Speaker 3: the whole thing. But like that was crazy. He's gonna
Speaker 3: be like Emily, I'm not going not getting in the
Speaker 3: car and driving around what anyway whatever. Up until this point,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wasn't that irritated by it.
Speaker 1: There's all that rich soil, all that fertile soil to
Speaker 1: sow the seeds of conflict and it wasn't taken advantage
Speaker 1: of at least now Luke not his.
Speaker 2: Care We'll say, I do feel like Luke is not
Speaker 2: dismissing it fully, but you know, like because even when
Speaker 2: he was when they went to that diner, he was like,
Speaker 2: this is not the best area of town, and Emily
Speaker 2: was like, this is up and coming, YadA yah, you
Speaker 2: know whatever. And I feel like Luke is entertaining it
Speaker 2: a little bit, but he doesn't have control over it, right.
Speaker 1: But you know what, Also the problem is is like
Speaker 1: Richard's gone, Emily is distraught. It doesn't matter what happened
Speaker 1: since Laurel I was sixteen, everybody. It shows that there
Speaker 1: has been no or very little character growth from the
Speaker 1: main character in this show from the time she was
Speaker 1: sixteen to present day. Because now she's in therapy, she's
Speaker 1: being rude to her own mother. She's being dismissive and
Speaker 1: mean to her own mother. And Emily had to stand
Speaker 1: there and say, I am in a tremendous amount of
Speaker 1: pain and she's breaking down in front of her own daughter.
Speaker 1: Why can't you acknowledge my pain and help me with
Speaker 1: my pain? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I think the same to be said vice versa. I
Speaker 2: don't think either of them have gone. I think because
Speaker 2: Lorala breaks down as my dad is gone, and Emily
Speaker 2: is not doing the same for her, they're both not
Speaker 2: doing the same for each other.
Speaker 1: I just think the path here forward would have been
Speaker 1: better served if it showed growth in all of these
Speaker 1: characters and all of these relationships, maturing getting involved in
Speaker 1: a business venture and seeing what the complications of that
Speaker 1: could read, but not castrating Luke and not presenting Larelai
Speaker 1: as an emotionally stunted person as they are portraying her
Speaker 1: as well, So we're not even on that subject, like
Speaker 1: what is going on Floraala? And there is just this
Speaker 1: there's this stagnation with these characters. They're they're they're being deconstructed,
Speaker 1: They're they're sort of you know, they're sort of losing
Speaker 1: their magic and their power, and it's hard to watch.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing that you know, put
Speaker 1: you to sleep and put me to sleep, as we
Speaker 1: almost and it's and it's kind of unnerving. These characters
Speaker 1: mean a lot to this fan base and they you know,
Speaker 1: these characters mean a lot to me too, and I
Speaker 1: don't like seeing them treated this way, and I don't
Speaker 1: like seeing them acting this way or saying these things
Speaker 1: or behaving in these ways, because it doesn't ring true
Speaker 1: to me at all. So deal with the diner. Do
Speaker 1: the diner, have the complications, have the growth, embrace your mother,
Speaker 1: get over it. Don't need to be in therapy. But
Speaker 1: here we are, right, it's like, help your mom.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's so?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: What's the message of this show? A community comes together,
Speaker 1: it's family. At what point do we we can lay
Speaker 1: down our swords with these two? Right? These two can
Speaker 1: lay down their swords and new conflict can emerge out
Speaker 1: of the coming together of these of mother and daughter. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand why they're doing this to
Speaker 1: these characters. I don't get it.
Speaker 3: I feel like it tracks for the characters the whole.
Speaker 3: We've had seven years of Emily and Lorla not seeing
Speaker 3: eye to eye and not getting along, and so they
Speaker 3: are continuing that. So I actually find Yes, I don't
Speaker 3: love it all the time, but to me, it is
Speaker 3: true to the characters. Emily's not going to suddenly out
Speaker 3: of left field be like I'm going to be the
Speaker 3: better person and care about my daughter and Laura.
Speaker 1: No, it's on Laura to take care of her mom.
Speaker 1: She's getting older, she's alone, she's in this massive house, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just a certain how much.
Speaker 2: I can't even answer that question because it's like in theory, sure,
Speaker 2: but Laura has never been taken care of by her mom.
Speaker 3: I don't correct. It's this is a woman who's really
Speaker 3: treated Lorlai somewhat badly. That's what I always say about Emily.
Speaker 3: She's hot cold, She's not one or the other, She's both.
Speaker 3: So Lorlai is doing her part. Lorlai was right there
Speaker 3: by her side for the when everything happened with Richard.
Speaker 3: She's in therapy with her. She's doing her part. But
Speaker 3: Emily is prickly, and Emily doesn't have any respect for
Speaker 3: Lorli her decisions or Luke, which really doesn't have.
Speaker 1: Just suddenly there have been a few moments of clarity
Speaker 1: for Loralai appreciating her mother, haven't there There's.
Speaker 3: Been a few moments where where Emily really accepts Loralai
Speaker 3: for who she is, but very few.
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess that's really like the focus sort
Speaker 1: of gets out of focus very easily with these two.
Speaker 1: It's hard for them to come together. But I just
Speaker 1: think at this point, I don't know what I'm watching
Speaker 1: right now. I don't know what I'm watching, and I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: Why you're not wrong with that what you'll say, there's
Speaker 3: glimmers of Gilmore girl in it, Gilmore girls in it,
Speaker 3: but there's a lot that is like this is kind
Speaker 3: of messier hinged, right, So it's like some of it
Speaker 3: does track though, Lorle and Emily not getting along.
Speaker 1: You know what, it's the same old song and dance.
Speaker 1: I think we're ready for something different than that. That's fair,
Speaker 1: that mighty, and how many times are you going to
Speaker 1: go to that well? It's the same? I mean, really,
Speaker 1: we're still there after all of these years. It's like
Speaker 1: another level.
Speaker 3: Speaking of going to the well, we're at Chiltern now
Speaker 3: and we're going to the well of Paris being unhinged.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: It's like we know it. They love to write it,
Speaker 3: so that's what we're dealing with. So they come in
Speaker 3: that we've got the one hundred thousand. We find out
Speaker 3: Paris gave one hundred thousand dollars, YadA, YadA. I can't
Speaker 3: remember she gives her talk first, or if she gives
Speaker 3: it after but they're in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Did you let any of this? Uh, Paris rant.
Speaker 3: No, I did not love it.
Speaker 1: I didn't either, and it was one Nancy.
Speaker 3: Showing up was amusing. I laughed when Francie was dropping bombs.
Speaker 1: I thought it was wonderfully acted. But you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't think it was terribly funny.
Speaker 3: Hacky does make a good point, she said. She laughed
Speaker 3: when Paris held the door close with her foot, which
Speaker 3: I giggled a little bit too. That was funny, and
Speaker 3: I thought it was a good reveal, you know, if
Speaker 3: Francis showing up and sort of being a little bit
Speaker 3: mean to Paris still and you see a bit of
Speaker 3: Rory and Pars's friendship, like I'm not going to tell
Speaker 3: anybody about the empty briefcase and yeah, you know, and look,
Speaker 3: Paris is going through a divorce, so it tracks that
Speaker 3: she's going to be a bit unhinged, you know, Like
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want Paris to just be perfect, because that's
Speaker 3: not Paris. Yeah, so I look, I like seeing Headmaster Charlton.
Speaker 3: Am I saying his name right, Charles Charlton.
Speaker 2: I like being back at Chilton, to be honest.
Speaker 3: I love getting that that shot of the building with
Speaker 3: them outside in the driveway. That was awesome. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of nostalgic things that work about.
Speaker 2: This, and it's heads Charleston. I think he said that, Charleston.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the core storyline lacks.
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