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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in Progress. Hi

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Speaker 1: rips Marty's. I hope you're all taking care of yourselves,

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Speaker 1: you know, mentally, physically, emotionally. I'm trying my best over here.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow is election day here in America, and today we

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Speaker 1: are joined for a special episode by one of the

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Speaker 1: most brilliant journalists I know, who's going to give us

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Speaker 1: her perspective from inside the newsroom. Today's guest is Caitlin Collins.

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Speaker 1: She is an anchor on CNN. She used to be

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Speaker 1: the co anchor of CNN This Morning and now hosts

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Speaker 1: the show The Source. She started as a political reporter

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Speaker 1: at CNN in twenty seventeen, covering the White House, and

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Speaker 1: within just a few years she became the youngest chief

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Speaker 1: White House correspondent in CNN's history. On her show The Source,

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Speaker 1: Collins chases the facts, asks the tough question, and connects

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Speaker 1: with her sources so that viewers can get the very latest.

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Speaker 1: In prime time, she manages to secure exclusive interviews with

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Speaker 1: political power players, including her recent attention grabbing interviews with

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Speaker 1: former Attorney General William Barr, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah,

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Speaker 1: who Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak,

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Speaker 1: GOP presidential candidates, and more. In May of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: cons also moderated CNN's Live Republican Presidential town hall with

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Speaker 1: former President Trump, during which she pressed him on some

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Speaker 1: things he apparently didn't want to be pressed on, and

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Speaker 1: he called her a nasty woman. Today, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: ask her how that felt, ask her what she thinks

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Speaker 1: is going to happen tomorrow and this week, and you know,

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Speaker 1: ask her how she's staying sane in an election season.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here, to be doing this too.

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Speaker 3: I feel like people love this podcast so much and

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Speaker 3: the conversations are just so good, and as someone who

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Speaker 3: always tries to have like genuine, fun, interesting conversations, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you should be very proud of it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am so proud, and that really means a lot.

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Speaker 1: And I guess in this moment I should thank our

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Speaker 1: listeners that are here with us today because if they

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Speaker 1: So thank you for being here. Thank you to everyone

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Speaker 1: at home. We're taping this. Obviously a little in advance.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, but this is going to air on Monday,

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Speaker 1: which makes my breath catch in my throat. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it does for you as well. You are so steeped

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Speaker 1: in the news all of the time because of your job.

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Speaker 1: But obviously we are really we're down to the wire

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Speaker 1: on the election, like tomorrow's our big day, although thank god,

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Speaker 1: we've seen record numbers of early voting across the country,

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Speaker 1: particularly from women, So shout out to the ladies. Can

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Speaker 1: you give us a little bit of your newsroom perspective

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Speaker 1: and talk about what you're seeing as some of the

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Speaker 1: key trends and the demographic shifts that we're seeing in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Like from where you sit, is this

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Speaker 1: markedly different from the twenty twenty and twenty sixteen election?

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Speaker 3: I think it's a lot different because, for one, the

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Speaker 3: thing that I've heard from a lot of people I've

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Speaker 3: which obviously did not go the way everyone thought.

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Speaker 3: what the early voting has meant in terms of Republicans. One,

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Speaker 3: So a lot of Republicans are voting early, and you know,

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Speaker 1: And I know there's a lot of objectivity, you know,

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Speaker 1: But I guess it's particularly frightening to me when we

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Speaker 1: as you said, that the Trump campaign, the Trump Advance

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Speaker 1: Andrew tatified way. They're going after men with really deeply

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that you've got the Vice President

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's always just you know, it's like, let's

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Speaker 3: I've heard from Republicans who think, like in Arizona where

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Speaker 3: But I think just overall on the issue of the

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Speaker 3: Their strategy might pay off, but if it doesn't, I

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Speaker 2: You know, it hasn't resonated from what we've seen.

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Speaker 1: Well, because you know, they want to end no fault divorce,

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Speaker 3: out to say, hey, I cast my ballot here the

435
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Speaker 3: other day to find those voters. But you make a

436
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Speaker 3: good point overall, and something crazy I learned the other day.

437
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Speaker 3: These poor election workers who are volunteers doing their civic duty,

438
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Speaker 3: going to help to ensure that you can go cast

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Speaker 3: her ballots because it doesn't matter who's running, what the

440
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Speaker 3: issues are if you can't actually vote. And they are

441
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 3: under such threats, largely because of Trump and his allies

442
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: and how they handle the twenty twenty election. But in Georgia,

443
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Speaker 3: the Secretary of State there ordered lanyards for all the

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Speaker 3: poll workers.

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Speaker 2: There's thirty hundred.

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Speaker 3: Precincts that have a mobile panic button in them so

447
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Speaker 3: they can push it and it calls notineven one if.

448
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Speaker 2: They're having issues.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

450
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Speaker 3: I just think that's crazy in the United States of

451
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Speaker 3: America that we have to have mobile panic buttons.

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Speaker 2: For our pollwark for election. We don't know what could happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I saw a great effort that was

454
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Speaker 1: gaining some traction this year where a lot of veterans

455
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: were signing up to go and be poll workers because

456
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Speaker 1: they were like, oh, you want to come threat in

457
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Speaker 1: the democracy we risked our lives for not here, Oh

458
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Speaker 1: that's not on American soil. And I've loved it. You know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the guys behind vote vets have been

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Speaker 1: advocating for this stuff, and I'm just like, yeah, you guys,

461
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Speaker 1: like a lot of I don't think people realize that

462
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Speaker 1: so many folks who work at the polls are actually

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Speaker 1: military veterans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually really interesting.

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Speaker 3: And it's just we've seen it, like, it's not a

466
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Speaker 3: made up thing, a made up concern. It's a hypothetical.

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Speaker 3: We've seen it happening in Florida and in other polling

468
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Speaker 3: places where it's a real issue, and so it just

469
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Speaker 3: you know, Ruby Freeman and Shay Mosk, the two Georgia

470
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Speaker 3: election workers who still have not gotten a dime.

471
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Speaker 2: From Rudy Giuliani.

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Speaker 3: I just think about them because they lived in their

473
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Speaker 3: community and what happened, how how much they were lied

474
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Speaker 3: about impacted their lives that before. Like now they've won

475
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Speaker 3: and they've won their court case and everyone can see it,

476
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Speaker 3: but at the time that no one knew.

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Speaker 2: You know, Ruby Freeman talked about how she was scared

478
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Speaker 2: to go to the grocery store.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she was scared to leave her home, and.

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Speaker 3: People were showing up at her house. And it just

481
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: is like nuts to think about. And the sense of how,

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Speaker 3: you know, a citizen who's done their duty is being harassed, like.

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Speaker 1: Up, Yeah, it's pretty alarming, you know how that feels though,

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Speaker 1: I mean granted, not on the scale certainly of what

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Speaker 1: Ruby Freeman went through. You know, the attacks on her

486
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Speaker 1: were unconscionable. But you hosted a town hall on CNN.

487
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Speaker 1: You interviewed Donald Trump. It was twenty twenty three, and

488
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Speaker 1: he didn't like that You pressed him, which is your job,

489
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Speaker 1: and he called you a nasty person. His favorite insult

490
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Speaker 1: to you know, throw at women. He calls us bitches

491
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Speaker 1: on the golf course, but on the news, he'll call

492
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Speaker 1: us nasty. How did that feel to you? Obviously you

493
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Speaker 1: kept your professional hat on, but what's it like to

494
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Speaker 1: have the former president of the United States call you

495
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Speaker 1: names and incite the kinds of violence that he does

496
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Speaker 1: from his crowd personally?

497
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Speaker 2: For you?

498
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Speaker 3: You know, I have covered Donald Trump for eight years now,

499
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: and even long. I met him in twenty fifteen when

500
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: he was running, and I think from covering him, I

501
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: just knew I know his playbook. Like in that town hall, really,

502
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Speaker 3: I basically could have predicted every answer he gave.

503
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Speaker 2: You don't always know exactly.

504
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Speaker 3: He just always repeats himself, so you have a pretty

505
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Speaker 3: good idea of where he's going. But in that moment,

506
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 3: what we were and I had you know, this had

507
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Speaker 3: happened to me in the briefing room before, or just

508
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Speaker 3: in the moments the White House. They banned me from

509
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Speaker 3: the Rose Garden, an event at the Rose Garden once

510
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Speaker 3: because he didn't like the questions I had asked when

511
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Speaker 3: he was in the Oval office, and so it wasn't

512
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Speaker 3: my first rodeo basically, right, But in that moment, we

513
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: had been asking him about the classified documents investigation, and

514
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: he had obviously taken them, it was before he had

515
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Speaker 3: been indicted, and.

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Speaker 2: We were asking, you know, why he took them and

517
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Speaker 2: what was happening with that, and.

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Speaker 3: He very clearly didn't want to answer the question, and

519
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Speaker 3: so he kind of gave his talking point and then

520
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: tried to move on. But then, you know, the art

521
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: of journalism is in the follow up questions. It's often

522
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: not your first question, it's your follow up that really

523
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: makes the difference or the news. And so he clearly

524
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: didn't want to answer that, and I kept pressing him,

525
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: and so his tactic is kind of to divert and

526
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Speaker 3: say you're a nasty person. But in that moment, you

527
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: have a choice. You can either respond to that, which

528
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Speaker 3: certainly is a human response. I think a human impulse

529
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Speaker 3: is to say okay, like when someone calls you a name.

530
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Speaker 3: But you know, being there as a reporter, you have

531
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Speaker 3: to think, okay, I'm here. Fans of his are watching,

532
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Speaker 3: detractors of his are watching. How do you maintain your

533
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Speaker 3: credibility as a reporter and also not get knocked off

534
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Speaker 3: your line of questioning. I think you can never take

535
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Speaker 3: the bait as a reporter, and that's the probably one

536
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Speaker 3: of the best things I've learned. This just happened when

537
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Speaker 3: I interviewed carry Lake the other day. She kept making

538
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Speaker 3: these digs about my age or you know what I

539
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Speaker 3: meant to ask, And in that moment, it's easy to

540
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: see how you can be like, okay, But I think

541
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Speaker 3: as a reporter you've got to stay with your line

542
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: of questioning and keep going because they want you to

543
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 3: go and get in that fight, because then they're not

544
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Speaker 3: being asked the question they don't want to answer.

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Speaker 1: Right. Oh, it drives me a little crazy, but I

546
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Speaker 1: also love it. We'll be back in just a minute.

547
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Speaker 1: But here's a word from our sponsors. Given the rhetoric,

548
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Speaker 1: the temperature, the nastiness, if you will, that you face

549
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: in rooms like that one with him and what you

550
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: just mentioned with Carrie Lake in Arizona, Like, is it

551
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: a drastically different thing for you as a person, not

552
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: just a journalist, but as a person when you prep

553
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Speaker 1: to go in a room and you're interviewing someone, say

554
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Speaker 1: from the Democratic side of the ticket, like or do

555
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Speaker 1: you always feel kind of the same.

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Speaker 3: I think it depends because there's certainly some Republicans who

557
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 3: you know would never go there and would never you know,

558
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: they have decorum and like you know, they want to

559
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: have a substantive back and forth. And maybe you don't

560
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: agree or maybe they don't like, you know, the questions,

561
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: but they're willing to play ball and come on. And

562
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Speaker 3: you know, we try to do that at nine o'clock

563
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Speaker 3: every night. We have people from both both parties on

564
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Speaker 3: because you got to ask everyone a question. And like,

565
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Speaker 3: you know, Democrats are taxpayer funded officials too, and like

566
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Speaker 3: we always like to press people because I just think

567
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Speaker 3: if you get paid by the taxpayers, you should have

568
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Speaker 3: to answer tough questions. And honestly, sometimes they usually like it,

569
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Speaker 3: like I think, you know, they're out in the political

570
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: arena for a reason, and they like they don't want

571
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Speaker 3: to just do an easy interview, Like they like to

572
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Speaker 3: get pushed like well why do you think that way?

573
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Speaker 3: Or why is this the best policy? And so I

574
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Speaker 3: like when people show up to play and they want

575
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Speaker 3: to engage and have a good a good engaging interview that.

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Speaker 2: People want to watch.

577
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Speaker 3: But it is when people, you know, are to go

578
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Speaker 3: off the rails that you kind of have to be

579
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Speaker 3: prepared anything, and you know, it kind of depends on

580
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Speaker 3: who you're interviewing. You can get a sense of of

581
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Speaker 3: how they are in that way, and if they're going

582
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: to you know, you never know where an interview who's

583
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Speaker 3: going to go. We had Trump's transition coach here on

584
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Speaker 3: the other night, Howard Lutnik. He's the boo of Canner

585
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: Fitzgerald here in New York. He's an amazing story about

586
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Speaker 3: you know, nine to eleven he wasn't in the office

587
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Speaker 3: and he was one of the few who survived and

588
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Speaker 3: just this incredible story. He's kind of like a pillar

589
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Speaker 3: in the New York business community and he's running Trump's

590
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Speaker 3: transition and we had him one we were going to

591
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Speaker 3: talk about, you know, staffing and personnel and what's this

592
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Speaker 3: going to look like, and you know, we prepare pushback.

593
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Speaker 2: And like, you know, what do we think they're going

594
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Speaker 2: to say? What are we going to say back to that?

595
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Speaker 2: My team?

596
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Speaker 3: And it went on this like totally left turn into

597
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Speaker 3: vaccines and like the conspiracy theories about vaccines, like we

598
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Speaker 3: were not expecting at all, and like, you know, you've

599
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: got to fact check that in the moment and push

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Speaker 3: back on it, because you know, you can't just let

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Speaker 3: someone come on air. Lie, Yeah, and so in moments

602
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: like those, really, what I try to do in every

603
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Speaker 3: interview should just be as prepared as.

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Speaker 2: Possible because you never know where it's gonna go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean even that stuff. You know, you've

606
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Speaker 1: got all this RFK running around saying he's gonna take

607
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Speaker 1: over the you know, the CDC, And I'm like, what

608
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Speaker 1: we don't need is a resurgence of a measles epidemic.

609
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Speaker 1: There are certain things we should, I think, just be

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Speaker 1: able to agree on and then build forward.

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Speaker 3: And think, if you're the scientists who came up with

612
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Speaker 3: that vaccine, you're like, really, I put all his hard

613
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Speaker 3: work into like saving the lives of children, and.

614
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Speaker 2: Now I have to deal with yeah, people who want

615
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Speaker 2: to undermine it.

616
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Speaker 1: This close to eradicating polio, and now we're dealing with

617
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Speaker 1: this because of these yahoos. And you know, it isn't

618
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Speaker 1: lost on me that a lot of us on the

619
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Speaker 1: you know, more sort of progressive side, if you will,

620
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Speaker 1: of activism and organizing have been working on forcing the

621
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Speaker 1: US to meet the EU's food standards for so long.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I think you're going for the wrong side here,

623
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Speaker 1: but here we are. Everything is upside down at this

624
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Speaker 1: point and we're almost through it. You know, tomorrow is

625
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Speaker 1: going to obviously be a very big day. I'm curious

626
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Speaker 1: how you're preparing for election Day but also for the week.

627
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Speaker 1: And when do you think, given the early voting numbers

628
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Speaker 1: we're seeing, when do you think we're going to know

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Speaker 1: or is it too soon to say even now?

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Speaker 3: Well, as far as preparing, I'm always like, okay, you know,

631
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Speaker 3: how can I brace myself for what this is going

632
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Speaker 3: to look like. I'm mentally preparing for it to go

633
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Speaker 3: on for a long time, you know, in kind of

634
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Speaker 3: the situation where you prepare for the worst, hope for

635
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Speaker 3: the best, and you know we're going to go Well,

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Speaker 3: I'll be in Florida at the Trump headquarters tomorrow for

637
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Speaker 3: the as the results are coming in, Abby, Philip will

638
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Speaker 3: be with Vice President Harris's headquarters. So we're kind of

639
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: like stationed to you know, in real time on CNN

640
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Speaker 3: be able to say here, here's the mood in the

641
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: campaign right now, here's what they're looking at, and these

642
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: numbers that are coming in, and.

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Speaker 1: When you're each in those different locations, but as you said,

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Speaker 1: you're you're stationed on site, you know, you've kind of

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Speaker 1: got a divide across the country. And then what for

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Speaker 1: the folks at home that are like, but how does

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Speaker 1: that work? You're patching in live to a studio and

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Speaker 1: doing shows together, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll have and then we'll have like John

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Speaker 3: King and the Magic Wall, like looking at all the numbers. Yeah,

651
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Speaker 3: and Jake there if you know, as we're getting numbers,

652
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: what are we calling? And so basically it's just seeing

653
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: it in on election night is at its best because

654
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: it's like we have so many resources, Like we're so prepared,

655
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: We've been doing rehearsals. Everyone's kind of like, you know,

656
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: this could happen, or this could happen, or this could happen.

657
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 3: Trump could declare victory prematurely like you did in twenty twenty.

658
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: Like we're just kind of game planning all that. I know,

659
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: it's crazy that you even have to like think about that,

660
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: but so that's basically it. And like we'll be texting

661
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: in real time and being like here's what we're seeing,

662
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: here's what we're hearing, and so if you're watching, you'll

663
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: be able to see all those updates of like what's.

664
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: Going on the ground.

665
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: And then I don't know how long it's gonna last.

666
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: I don't think we'll know on Tuesday night. I think

667
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: everyone feels pretty Maybe we will, but everyone feels pretty consensency.

668
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: From what I've heard from my sources.

669
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Speaker 3: It's gonna take a little bit just because the counting

670
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: of those mail in balance, they can't some of them.

671
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: They can't start counting in some states until seven pm.

672
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: And so you know, these pullworkers are doing the Lord's

673
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: work and.

674
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: They really are, like they seriously are. They deserve like,

675
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: you know, all the treats of the world.

676
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: So maybe by Thursday, you know, last year or in

677
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, last selection, it took until twenty It took

678
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 3: until Saturday when we found out. Yeah, we had a

679
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: pretty good idea though on Thursday and Friday. If you're

680
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: looking at the numbers, I think they just wanted to

681
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: be one hundred percent sure. They wanted to feel good

682
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: because public trust is so important, and being able to

683
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: say we'll see it and called it. I believe them,

684
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 3: and you know, it really was the difference maker, I think,

685
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 3: And so we we work so hard to get it right.

686
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: That's what people at home should know is we're looking

687
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: at every inch of this, so we'll see how long

688
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: it takes. The question is, you know, is it all

689
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: gonna come down to Pennsylvania. We're gonna be hanging out

690
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 3: there for a few days, Georgia and North Carolina.

691
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: You know, we don't.

692
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: You never know, And you know what the other thing is,

693
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: there's always surprises that happen in the numbers or in

694
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: the Senate races. You know, who's going to control the Senate,

695
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 3: who's going.

696
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: To control the House. So we'll be like digging through

697
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: all of that.

698
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so maybe maybe we assume that we'll know

699
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: at the weekend, Saturday or Sunday, and if we know

700
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: sooner than we're through exactly.

701
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: And I think the one thing that is so important

702
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: for people to know is just because we don't know

703
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: an election night doesn't mean anything's wrong. It takes time

704
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: to count and there's a lot of ballots and they

705
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 3: want to be sure, and so it's not a sign

706
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: of like, you know, you're like, why am I still waiting?

707
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: This is weird, it's normal.

708
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: It's just because we're such a big country.

709
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and turn out it's going to be so crazy.

710
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: I heard a poster say he thinks about one hundred

711
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: and seventy million people will vote, so we'll see. Wow,

712
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: Like he said, that was like the high number.

713
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: He thought, it's amazing. Do you think, I guess the

714
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: better question is what do you think? How do you

715
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: estimate from what you see every day, how we as

716
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: a society get to move forward after such a contentious

717
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: and abnormal and historic election. Do you maybe have two

718
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: different answers depending on who wins, or do you think

719
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: there's kind of a roadmap forward for Americans in general?

720
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: The problem is with that, I don't want, I don't know,

721
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: and I'm always hopeful that people will will rise to

722
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: the occasion. But I think when you look at the polling,

723
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: if it's accurate, and even if it's two points off,

724
00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: the country is basically split, and most people feel pretty strongly.

725
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: And so what we do know is how polarized we are.

726
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: So on election day, one person's team is going to

727
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: win and one person's team is going to lose, and

728
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: how people deal with that, You know, accepting a loss

729
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: is a real thing. And yea, we saw that in

730
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. It was so sad to see, like, and

731
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: this is why, you know, anytime we have on someone

732
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: who's an election denier. We always ask them about it,

733
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: regardless of what the news is that day, because it's like.

734
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: If you're a tax parafunded official and you've got this

735
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: platform and you're misleading people who trust you because of

736
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: your position, I just think that's, you know, one of

737
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: the lowest things that someone can do. And so.

738
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: I just you know, obviously, if Harris wins, she said

739
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 3: she would accept the outcome, Trump still waivers on that

740
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 3: and says, you know, if it's free and fair, which

741
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: obviously wasn't twenty twenty. So I think that's the thing

742
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: to watch after is what does the environment look like

743
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: after Do people accept it or are we going to

744
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, both campaigns have a ton of

745
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: attorneys already stationed in the battle ground states because they're

746
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: preparing for it to be one of the most litigated

747
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: elections in US history. And in two thousand and four

748
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: when this happened, you know, al Gore accepted it and

749
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 3: you know, gave a concession speech and said, you know,

750
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: we're accepting the decision of the Supreme Court, and that

751
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: was not a given and so so I don't know,

752
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: So we'll see, But I do think Yeah, things are

753
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: not over on Tuesday night. This is going to be

754
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: a story that we're still following up until the inauguration

755
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: and beyond that.

756
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: Right well, there's obviously a lot to think about, a

757
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: lot to prepare for. As you said, you've got a

758
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: lot to sort of rehearse and make sure you're ready

759
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: for any outcome. It's a lot of work and it's

760
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: mentally taxing. I'm curious if you feel like you can

761
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: also take a step back and insulate yourself a little bit,

762
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: or if it's just all in all election you'll catch

763
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: your breath when it's over. Because normally I like to

764
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: ask people, you know, at the end of an interview,

765
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: what your work in progress is right now, but I

766
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: don't know if you even have time to think about it.

767
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: That's a great uh, it's a great question.

768
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm such a political junkie that I

769
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: love the election because I think the one thing that

770
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: we've been talking about polls for two years now, and

771
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: the one thing that we'll learn on Tuesday is like,

772
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: how did the people, how do people actually feel, what

773
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: did they actually decide? What do the numbers look like?

774
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: And who showed up where? So I love that because

775
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: I love it's always really informative, and I think you

776
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: learn a lot. I think as a reporter, you know,

777
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: who has covered two historic elections already and now approaching

778
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: the third, I always just think, how can I do

779
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: my best? Like how can I be the clearest? How

780
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: can I see as someone who studies this every day,

781
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: how can I see what maybe other people who are

782
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: busy and at home I are tuning in, Like how

783
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: can I help them understand it and ye think about

784
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: it and process it? Like I just want to be

785
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: of service in that sense. And so that's what I'm

786
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: thinking of going into election night is best reporting, clearest reporting,

787
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: cutting through the bullshit, Like that's what I think is

788
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: our responsibility as reporters, And so that's what I'm going

789
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: you know, I always want to get better at every election.

790
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: Twenty sixteen was crazy, twenty twenty was crazy. I was

791
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: at Trump campaign headquarters in twenty sixteen, I was the

792
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: White House in twenty twenty, and I'll be back at

793
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: the Trump campaign headquarters tomorrow night. And so, you know,

794
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: doing my best there as like my goal right now.

795
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: Then I'll catch my breath, like in January or February well,

796
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: we'll talk.

797
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: About our personal work in progress maybe around the holidays.

798
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that.

799
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: Okay, good, well, thank you so much. I'll be thinking

800
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: about you tomorrow, you know, you and Abby. My fingers

801
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: are crossed for you. I hope it is. I hope

802
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: it's a good night.

803
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: For us all. I hope it's.

804
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

805
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: I just hope everyone's you know, respectful and not violent.

806
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: We're going to make it through it patient. But thanks

807
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: for having me on.

808
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: This has been so fun and it's such an exciting

809
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: time and it's great to talk and I just love

810
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: how much you know and care about it. And I

811
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: think that's you know, it's always really inspiring for people.

812
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, I mean you said it. We're political

813
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: junkies for sure, and yeah, I think my you know,

814
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: for me, once I realized that every single thing I touch, do, see,

815
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: you know, observed, smell, experience in the world is the

816
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: result of policy, I was like, oh, I have to

817
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: know everything about how all of this happens. And so

818
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: if I can you know, play any part in supporting

819
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: the work you all do and reminding people that the

820
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: political is personal, It's like then everything is creevy for me.

821
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled about it.

822
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

823
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: And the more involved you are and the more you know,

824
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: like people really can individually make such a such an impact.

825
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: I think sometimes people feel powerless, and I think reminding

826
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: people that they're not and none of this is a

827
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 3: given is so important me too.

828
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time. I know you guys are swamped.

829
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: It means a lot.

830
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: Thanks.

831
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll talk to you soon.

832
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: Okay, bye, guys. Thank you,