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Speaker 1: now your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans,
Speaker 1: and David Hellman. Hello and welcome to another edition of
Speaker 1: the Draft Show. It's Thursday, February seventeenth. Thanks for joining
Speaker 1: us once again. I really I feel like we've been
Speaker 1: doing this since December. That was last year. Though. Hey everyone,
Speaker 1: I'm David Hellman. I'm joined as usual by my guys,
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us Kyle Yeoman's Brian, who's the
Speaker 1: last prosper back to you watched before today's show. The
Speaker 1: last prospect that I watched, I watched Jeff sky sky Moore. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's boring. We talked about him the other day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know what, I think Jeff has got a
Speaker 1: lot of things that are that are accurate about him.
Speaker 1: I think he's a slot only though, I really do.
Speaker 1: I will be really interesting I'll be really interested to
Speaker 1: see if he's not as tall as Cooper Cup. He's
Speaker 1: got he's got the thickness of Cooper Cup, I mean
Speaker 1: in the lower body and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 1: think that's admirable about the guy. I just don't think
Speaker 1: he could play on the outside. I'll be interested if
Speaker 1: he can. I'll be happy to admit it. I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: but got argument number two here. But he's Alan Petrie
Speaker 1: and now we've got sky by More back at home. No. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: guy's a really good football player. You watch him play,
Speaker 1: I mean, he makes really nice plays. He catches the
Speaker 1: football well, uh, he could separate underneath. You don't see
Speaker 1: the ball go down the field a whole heck of
Speaker 1: a lot to him run after catch is good, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I don't have him as high as
Speaker 1: Jeff does. But I think that to me, when you
Speaker 1: watch him play, you could see NFL traits. In the
Speaker 1: NFL traits are when you throw the ball to somebody
Speaker 1: underneath and they can run after catch and they can
Speaker 1: separate in the slot and kind of use the whole
Speaker 1: field to their advantage. And I think that's a I
Speaker 1: think that's a Is that a trait that you put
Speaker 1: in the second round not for me. Where do you
Speaker 1: have him? I have him in the third round? Is
Speaker 1: where I having myself crazy crazy discrepancy. Yeah, at the
Speaker 1: risk of this becoming the sky Moore Show. Kyle, who
Speaker 1: was the last guy watched? I watched Fair Mumford Muntford
Speaker 1: out of Ohio State. He's a guard, plays a little
Speaker 1: bit of tackle as well. UH, decent player. He wasn't
Speaker 1: like number one on my list. I have him kind
Speaker 1: of midway through maybe the third fourth or late third,
Speaker 1: early fourth, somewhere like that. Um, I'm pulling up his
Speaker 1: scouting report that I wrote on him. Frame and length,
Speaker 1: they're fantastic someone who translates as a guard. Size helps
Speaker 1: him have position flex during the NFL, played left tackle
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and then left guard this past season.
Speaker 1: He actually played better at tackle than he did it guard, though.
Speaker 1: If he is going to translate into the NFL, he'll
Speaker 1: probably be a guard. You can see him laboring though,
Speaker 1: every time it's the snap and he's one on one
Speaker 1: with a defensive lineman. Especially being in the big ten.
Speaker 1: He seemed to have that that clunky feet, that backwards
Speaker 1: step and not necessarily the balance that I like to
Speaker 1: see from a top one, two or three round guys.
Speaker 1: So I have him early fourth ish. I haven't put
Speaker 1: an official grade on him, but that's kind of where
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna put him. I love it. We're
Speaker 1: talking day three guys, because what do we do, Brian,
Speaker 1: We investigate, We educate and investigate. Yeah. What I do
Speaker 1: want to do at the top of today's show, though,
Speaker 1: is a little more basic. I want to talk first round. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's it's still a right and the many say you
Speaker 1: are basic. I may add another word. I won't dispute that, honestly,
Speaker 1: I really I really won't. But that's where I want
Speaker 1: to go. And we've talked about this a lot already
Speaker 1: on the show. This is a unique first round a
Speaker 1: little bit, just because it just seems to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more up in the air. There's not a
Speaker 1: convinced consensus number one overall pick. There's a varying range
Speaker 1: for basically every guy, with maybe a few exceptions Cavon, Thibadeau,
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson, Evan neil M. But the list of guys
Speaker 1: that you really feel confident going like in the top
Speaker 1: five is really short, right, So what I want to
Speaker 1: do is to just give us an idea of what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could be facing at twenty four. I want
Speaker 1: y'all to tell me who you feel incredibly confident will
Speaker 1: be gone by then. If that makes sense, we'll be gone.
Speaker 1: We'll be gone. We're building a list of the untouchable,
Speaker 1: a list of the guys that the Dallas Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: need to worry about. Evan Neil first one. Okay, I
Speaker 1: think it's only gonna be like eight guys. Deep. I
Speaker 1: think that's what makes this interesting to me is I
Speaker 1: think that pool of guys at twenty or is a
Speaker 1: lot bigger than maybe you would expect in a normal year.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? Yeah? I think so. I
Speaker 1: think the thing about it is, there's to me with
Speaker 1: always with the number one overall, pick though, who do
Speaker 1: you feel the most comfortable with it has the least
Speaker 1: amount of holes in him? And if you feel that
Speaker 1: Neil is that guy, I'm just, you know, saying how
Speaker 1: this thing might start out. Because you say there's not
Speaker 1: a consistent somebody number one overall, somebody that everybody's talking about.
Speaker 1: I think that's why they're talking about Hutchison, because I
Speaker 1: think that probably are people are shooting the least amount
Speaker 1: of holes in him. And you know you want that
Speaker 1: first overall pick to be a guy that like, listen,
Speaker 1: this is this is Ironclyde. This guy's gonna come out
Speaker 1: and he's gonna play. He's gonna play well for a
Speaker 1: long time. You know, you don't want to bust in
Speaker 1: that first overall pick. And I think there's some questions
Speaker 1: about Neil because we've done some podcast Jeff and I Dane.
Speaker 1: You know, we've all talked about this. Everybody's offensive tackle
Speaker 1: order is different. I think with the defensive end position,
Speaker 1: you know, it's more of Hutchinson, Thibadeau, depending on you know,
Speaker 1: now we're starting to hear things about, well, maybe Thibodeau
Speaker 1: doesn't love football as much. So you know that's the
Speaker 1: thing about it. I think the lack of quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the first round is what makes this thing really wide
Speaker 1: open when you get down to that area where we're
Speaker 1: talking about where the Cowboys are going to pick. We've
Speaker 1: talked about this in regard to Neil. I mean, he
Speaker 1: still goes off the board, but as it is, size
Speaker 1: is that the question I think there's I think the
Speaker 1: biggest question I have is I think in this day
Speaker 1: and age when you watch the NFL, and maybe you
Speaker 1: guys will disagree with this, but when you watch these
Speaker 1: the really good lines that come off the ball, they
Speaker 1: get into their blocks, they stay on their feet, they're athletic,
Speaker 1: they have movement, they can run the ball to the outside,
Speaker 1: they can you know, they can get to second levels
Speaker 1: and stuff. You're talking about a three hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: seven pound man that at the point of attack is
Speaker 1: really really good. But the longer that he has to block,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more questions about that. Whereas Cross,
Speaker 1: any quan Wu and those guys like that seem to
Speaker 1: stay on and be able to kind of maintain. So
Speaker 1: if you're looking to poke holes and Neil, there's probably
Speaker 1: only one or two things you could say about him,
Speaker 1: you know, and the others you could say, well, Cross
Speaker 1: is not a big, big guy, but he's real athlete.
Speaker 1: I mean, they each had their kind of their ways,
Speaker 1: but I kind of feel like though the athletic offensive
Speaker 1: tackle is what we're starting to see a lot more
Speaker 1: here in the in the In the the the NFL game,
Speaker 1: you mentioned those three tackles, So Neil, equan Wu and
Speaker 1: then cross gun. Where do you I think all three
Speaker 1: of those we feel comfortable with that. We feel comfortable, Okay,
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah. Where would you put him in your rankings? Though?
Speaker 1: Because I'm cross is how I have to deal is
Speaker 1: third on that list, It's all over the place, cross
Speaker 1: that's you. Yeah. I think that's where I'm at too,
Speaker 1: But I could I could put it quan Wu up
Speaker 1: there as well. I like him more as a universal's
Speaker 1: fit for a run blocker and a and a pass
Speaker 1: blocker as well. But ask me in two weeks and
Speaker 1: I might be I might flip that j Quanu is
Speaker 1: the most fun to watch. Like if you're watching the
Speaker 1: show right now and you don't watch the Prospects, just
Speaker 1: google is going and then like vs like verse because
Speaker 1: a lot of times people will cut up games and
Speaker 1: you can go watch it because watching somebody who just
Speaker 1: is way stronger than everyone else in college football is
Speaker 1: so fun. I'm is a monster nasty, I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: oh damn oh, I got I got worked up for
Speaker 1: no damn reason. Mississippi State played NC State this year
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, crossing a quantity. Then I
Speaker 1: realized they both play offense. YEP, that doesn't. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: if you want to watch Cross against good competition, you
Speaker 1: can watch against A and M. And they lined up
Speaker 1: to Marvin Leale across from him a ton and it
Speaker 1: looked like Charles Cross never broke a sweat. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: watch that game right now, never broke a sweat. So
Speaker 1: we have three consensus at offensive tackles. Yeah, yep, we
Speaker 1: all agree. Aidan Hutchinson and Cavon Thibodeau are on that list, correct, Yes?
Speaker 1: Is there another edge rusher at red Rusher be at Carloftis,
Speaker 1: be at David Ojabo? I think it would only be
Speaker 1: from listening to other people, But like Dane is convinced
Speaker 1: Ravon Walker Walker, Yeah, but Georgia, Yes, But I to
Speaker 1: me he wouldn't be so, I don't think. But he
Speaker 1: talks to a lot of people actually don't know. But
Speaker 1: don't put him on the list that goes against the
Speaker 1: thought experts guys here certainty, these guys are not there.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that for Walker Walker, Jermaine Johnson a
Speaker 1: Jabo like, there's a decent chance they're all gone, but
Speaker 1: they're not. To me, they're not locks to be gone.
Speaker 1: I think karloftus is gone. In my opinion, I kind
Speaker 1: of want them to be there. Try not what we're
Speaker 1: doing here. You're trying to will him into George George Karloftus, Brian,
Speaker 1: But I know you do if it gone jeps right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think no, No, no, I think that. I think
Speaker 1: there's a possibility. I don't know if he's a Sherlock.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a Sherlock as a gone.
Speaker 1: I would like I would like to see because I
Speaker 1: think what's gonna happen is people are going to figure
Speaker 1: out about Walker, uh Carloftus and then a jigboo, a jigboo,
Speaker 1: you know about him. I think that's where I think
Speaker 1: they're kind of all kind of mixed and m Johnson
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean there's people you talk to about
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson that they're gonna say that, and these are
Speaker 1: scout guys. They're saying, listen, he's gonna break your heart.
Speaker 1: People have got him the the they're saying to me
Speaker 1: that the the media scouts have got him way too high.
Speaker 1: They're talking about him way too much. And I go really,
Speaker 1: and they go, no, you're gonna you're gonna find out
Speaker 1: you if you really really really dive into this guy,
Speaker 1: and you know they have more access to things and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, so so you know, but they're they're
Speaker 1: they're all talking about the top ones that we're kind
Speaker 1: of mentioning. They're they're all on board with the same guys.
Speaker 1: All right. So that's that's five names through two keys.
Speaker 1: I think the two corners are gone. I think Gardnered
Speaker 1: singing Gardner. I agree with that. I think so. I
Speaker 1: think Hamilton's gone to say, hey, hey, let trying trying
Speaker 1: to move the show along. Uh, Brian, you're not segments
Speaker 1: over he named them all. No, it's done. We're not
Speaker 1: doing that, all right, Kyle Hamilton, Yes, gone, yeah, gone,
Speaker 1: all right? Anybody else in the dB in the secondary
Speaker 1: up two corners? Gardner them like they're okay. I didn't
Speaker 1: know if you were gonna rewind through. No, I just
Speaker 1: found forward. I mean we got right in the halfway point, okay.
Speaker 1: I think Wilson the wide receiver's going okay. I think
Speaker 1: I think he's a lock. He'll go in the teens, right,
Speaker 1: I think so earlier every every everybody's mocking him to
Speaker 1: the jets at ten. That's that's where that's again. If
Speaker 1: you're interested in trying to move the Maori Cooper trade,
Speaker 1: you know, to go up, that's the place I would start.
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams doesn't last, right, the injury could injury. It's
Speaker 1: a run of the mill injury. It's very possible. Well,
Speaker 1: how many receivers are going in the top twenty four?
Speaker 1: Probably four? Many? Three could be less? Right, it's and
Speaker 1: definitely most people are going to say that Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 1: Drake London and then is it Jamison Williams? Is it
Speaker 1: trailing Burkes? Do you have another name to throw in
Speaker 1: that mix? Like, I'm not going to say that Jamison
Speaker 1: Williams is gone? So one receiver, I think one? Just
Speaker 1: looking at a mock draft right now, just by the way,
Speaker 1: and Jamison Williams goes after the Cowboys. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: guess I just spent so much time watching him dust everyone.
Speaker 1: I get it. He's a fantastic player, but it's hey,
Speaker 1: when it was third done and four, who were they
Speaker 1: thrown to? Menchi John fan MITCHI, Yeah, that's fair. Linebacker. No,
Speaker 1: there isn't one. No, very possible. Two are gone, very possible,
Speaker 1: none are gone. We'd love to hear that defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Probably none, none, very possible one or two is gone,
Speaker 1: but very possible. None are gone. Interior, offensive line interior
Speaker 1: crocodile at Linderbaum, Kimon Green. I don't think either one
Speaker 1: is a lock to be gone. I think it's possible
Speaker 1: they're both gone. I think it's most likely they're gone,
Speaker 1: but I think not a lock. I think it's likely
Speaker 1: at least one is gone. Yeah, I'm gonna say you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a pick of one or the other if
Speaker 1: you want. I think so too. But neither one is
Speaker 1: a lock. I don't think tight end. We're thinking no, nope, nope.
Speaker 1: Nobody running back we know, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: I never heard of him, and that is that a thing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, Jeff. Who's the best running back in the league,
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel? Put your receivers in the back. That's seems
Speaker 1: like a stretch. There was a guy that's number twenty
Speaker 1: two in Tennessee. That's pretty good. Who what did you get?
Speaker 1: Like four point two a carry? And they got the
Speaker 1: one seed after he got hurt. We're not doing this.
Speaker 1: It's good at it. Quarterback quarterback Matt Correl. Someone will
Speaker 1: be gone. I multiple, multiple guys. I don't. Probably multiple
Speaker 1: will be gone, but I would only say it's a
Speaker 1: lock that at least one or possibly two are gone.
Speaker 1: I'm not one, right, I'm not comforted putting a name
Speaker 1: on it. I would put Corral myself if it was me.
Speaker 1: I agree with Brian, just shouldn't always. But hey, he's
Speaker 1: thinking picking somebody. Somebody nailed Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: as you like to tell me. I've also after every
Speaker 1: snap of that game a couple of weeks agoin Blake
Speaker 1: Bortles is a bad one. Did like you did, like
Speaker 1: Blake the guy. He should have gone to a super Bowl. Packton,
Speaker 1: our buddy, Joey Harrington, you have some bad ones along
Speaker 1: the way too, you really do. Joey Harrington. Wasn't your fault.
Speaker 1: That's why you sky More in there, as he won't
Speaker 1: be available to did not put sky More in there. Okay,
Speaker 1: so well, all right, we'll just say one quarter two
Speaker 1: really good short players women Marcus Jones from Houston, by
Speaker 1: the way, those are my two good short players. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say two quarterbacks. Maybe I'm crazy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're right. I think it's likely it's two, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put names on. I don't know who it'll be,
Speaker 1: but I think two quarter Maybe it's pick It and Corral.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Sam Howell. Maybe I don't even I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's no Yeah, two of them got the football team
Speaker 1: will be where it starts, or I call him the
Speaker 1: football team that commanders. I'm sorry, we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: that next because we do still have time. But just
Speaker 1: to just to recap, Okay, that's three tackles, two addreshers,
Speaker 1: two cornerbacks, one safety. That's five six, seven, eight, a receiver,
Speaker 1: nine and two quarterbacks. It's eleven players. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think that's right. Like w you have no idea in
Speaker 1: this draft class. If I guess we did say Stingley
Speaker 1: won't be there, but like highly highly unlikely, and he's
Speaker 1: the wrong example because he's gonna have volatile draft stock,
Speaker 1: But you have no idea, Like the next corner. Trent McDuffie,
Speaker 1: in my mind, is the next corner. Yeah at Washington.
Speaker 1: Does he go in the top fourteen or fifteen? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Is he there twenty four maybe? George carl Offtis does
Speaker 1: he go eleventh or does he go twenty ninth? I
Speaker 1: don't know Kobe Deane, Kobe Deane, Does he go to?
Speaker 1: Does he go? Twenty seventh? This is exciting because we
Speaker 1: left a lot of players that we've established we really
Speaker 1: like off the list, and also the volatility. You don't
Speaker 1: what Jeff just said, a guy that we're not really
Speaker 1: thinking about could easily go higher than that, right, Like,
Speaker 1: all I can ever think about is the sorry to
Speaker 1: the Raiders are friends over there, but the Cleveland Ferrells
Speaker 1: and the Damon ar Netts of the world who just
Speaker 1: show up out of nowhere and you're like, wow, that
Speaker 1: one team really liked that guy. Today, Oh they pick
Speaker 1: at twenty two, so you'll get a free free guy.
Speaker 1: There could be Andrew Booth, the Clemson corner. Maybe he goes.
Speaker 1: We talked about Johnson, Jermaine Johnson, though somebody could fall
Speaker 1: in love with him over Kurloftus and Walker and those guys.
Speaker 1: Somebody could say, well he you know, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: it's Thibodeaux Hutchinson and then maybe the third guy is Johnson.
Speaker 1: You know that mean that that that could very well
Speaker 1: be a possibility. So real, there's your there's your guy
Speaker 1: that can maybe come from nowhere. Kind of a thing
Speaker 1: real quick in the tail end of the segment you
Speaker 1: mentioned in, Brian, I think it's fascinating. The NFC East
Speaker 1: kind of owns this draft a little bit. They do.
Speaker 1: The Giants picked twice in the top ten, they do.
Speaker 1: The Eagles have three picks in the top twenty, and
Speaker 1: Washington is right there at eleven as a quarterback needy team.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm curious for y'all's thoughts on how you
Speaker 1: think that could shape the round and what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: wind up doing. Like, so, you you think Washington is
Speaker 1: going to target a quarterback. I think Washington is going
Speaker 1: to target a quarterback, I really do, unless they trade
Speaker 1: for one. I think that's the thing. There's two teams
Speaker 1: you kind of have to worry about that might be
Speaker 1: trading for quarterbacks in the division would be Philadelphia and Washington.
Speaker 1: Those would be the two, and then that would change
Speaker 1: if you know, I don't know if you get rid
Speaker 1: of the eleventh overall pick if you're the Commanders, but
Speaker 1: you know, if you if in fact you trade for
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, then you're probably not in the quarterback market.
Speaker 1: You know, you're probably thinking about, Okay, let's go get
Speaker 1: some offensive linemen, some skilled players. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: team that's very Maybe maybe that's what the second wide
Speaker 1: receiver comes off the board. You know, someone to pair with,
Speaker 1: you know, Terry McLaren and then Logan Thomas and those guys.
Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia has the chance to really shape this
Speaker 1: draft up the most in the middle because I agree
Speaker 1: with with Brian and the fact that Washington's going to
Speaker 1: look at a quarterback at eleven. I think that is pure,
Speaker 1: set and simple. It's probably gonna be Matt corral or
Speaker 1: Kenney Pickett, maybe Malik Willis if they fall in love
Speaker 1: with him. Now, Philadelphia, if they were to keep all
Speaker 1: three of those picks, which I can't imagine them doing
Speaker 1: at all, I agree. I think at some point they
Speaker 1: either trade one of them and try and get something
Speaker 1: out of it. Maybe they put them all in a
Speaker 1: big package and they go try and get somebody. Either
Speaker 1: one of those things are certainly possible. But if they
Speaker 1: do make those picks, their needs kind of line up
Speaker 1: with Dallas's needs. They need edge rusher, they need into
Speaker 1: your offensive lineman, they need a corner, maybe a linebacker.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's exactly what Dallas is looking for as well.
Speaker 1: In terms of a team that could affect Dallas's draft
Speaker 1: as much in the division, I think it's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of Philadelphia because they'll either use them to go
Speaker 1: get a quarterback or they'll try and build around the
Speaker 1: quarterback that they have. I could see you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: and I could see the Eagles breaking our hearts. Speak
Speaker 1: like I'm looking at an Eagles and all Eagles mock
Speaker 1: that has them taking Devin Lloyd o the linebacker out
Speaker 1: of Utah, Drake London the USC receiver, and Jeff's guy,
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie Washington. That's that's three guys that you would
Speaker 1: love to have. I was doing right now, just lining
Speaker 1: up like if I were the Eagles, or if I
Speaker 1: were an Eagles fan, if I were like drawing up
Speaker 1: different scenarios of what it could look like and that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't like as a Cowboy fan. And I was thinking,
Speaker 1: what if Stingley makes it to fifteen and it's Stingley,
Speaker 1: I don't like that, Or McDuffie as a corner linderbaumb
Speaker 1: Nakobe Dean or Devin Lloyd coming off the board as
Speaker 1: a linebacker there, and if I'm them and Jason Kelsey's
Speaker 1: been incredible for us for so long. Probably take the
Speaker 1: next Jason Kelsey and Tyler Linderbaum. And if not, then
Speaker 1: they'll take an edge that you like, a receiver, you
Speaker 1: like something like that. Would you rather Philadelphia if you're
Speaker 1: a Cowboy fan, would you rather Philadelphia use two picks
Speaker 1: to trade for a quarterback or let them take all
Speaker 1: three picks chase a quarterback? Who's the quarterback? There's the
Speaker 1: thing in this draft. Pick not not oh you mean
Speaker 1: a prospect? No? No, no, no no, no, no, no, no no Watson, Yeah, Wilson.
Speaker 1: I would use the picks. I would rather they use
Speaker 1: it all the picks than Lando Watson or you know, Rogers.
Speaker 1: Seems unlikely. But just for the thought of so you
Speaker 1: want them to use all three picks, yes, if that's
Speaker 1: the alternative, Hell yeah, even tread all three of them
Speaker 1: for Okay, what if it's for what if it's for Wilson?
Speaker 1: What if it's for an older quarterback that might not
Speaker 1: be in the division as long? I don't want to
Speaker 1: have to play Russell Wilson on a good roster for
Speaker 1: four or five more years now, thank you. In some ways,
Speaker 1: years go really fast, but in football. If you have
Speaker 1: to watch a team that has Russell Wilson and a
Speaker 1: good team around him for even three years, that's that's
Speaker 1: a long time to make. The first time Russell Wilson's
Speaker 1: ever had a losing record, I believe this year. I believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I ain't signing. I'm curious to hear the answer
Speaker 1: to your own question because I think I'm on the
Speaker 1: opposite side I personally, you know, I would I would
Speaker 1: like to say, I think the quarterbacks, it's such a
Speaker 1: quarterback driven league. Make let them make the picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let them make the picks. I mean we all know
Speaker 1: they're gonna get three good players. I mean you just
Speaker 1: know that going in whoever they pick, and that those
Speaker 1: points in time, you're gonna every time when we talk
Speaker 1: about that pick, we're gonna go, man, it's a nice pick.
Speaker 1: They just got better again. Nice pick. You know, the
Speaker 1: Giants gave a very good spot. Giants gave a very
Speaker 1: public vote of confidence to Daniel Jones. Do you think
Speaker 1: they mean that. No, it's the offseason. I'm old enough
Speaker 1: to remember when um Josh Rosen was their guy, when
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury got hired the Cardinals. Old enough to remember
Speaker 1: when Jared Goff was their guy and then they traded
Speaker 1: for Stafford like a week later. I'm got no, absolutely not,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. But is there a quarterback here? No, it's better.
Speaker 1: It's a nice it's a nice year to have your
Speaker 1: hated rival have two picks in the top ten. Well
Speaker 1: they might be in a situation though, too, depending on
Speaker 1: what Brian Dieball wants to do. I mean, if there's
Speaker 1: a quarterback that fits what he did with Alan in Buffalo,
Speaker 1: that kind of a quarterback, you know, if you evaluate
Speaker 1: that of the pick, Yeah, looking for a big armed
Speaker 1: athlete exactly what I was there, you go. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm saying. Though it might be like, Listen,
Speaker 1: I didn't draft Daniel Jones. I I you know, I'll
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Speaker 1: trying to do offensively, I think I'm taking the five
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Speaker 1: about all it takes is one. I'll never forget the
Speaker 1: shock when Daniel Jones win sixth. I mean that was
Speaker 1: not something anybody anticipated. So something to consider a lot
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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Draft Show. It is the second segment. You guys
Speaker 1: know what that means. Beam hit it Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twitters where we try to get to as many of
Speaker 1: your questions as possible. We'll start it off with Jared,
Speaker 1: I like this question a lot. Position of need that
Speaker 1: makes absolutely no sense to you for the Cowboys. You
Speaker 1: would hate it or it wouldn't make any sense to
Speaker 1: you at all. Cornerback, Yeah, all right, that's the first one.
Speaker 1: I thought. He said position of need. That was a question.
Speaker 1: You're saying, Dak Prescott's not the guy. Uh No, Jeff
Speaker 1: hates Dak. No, No, that's why you would have hate it.
Speaker 1: That's why as he said, position of need that was
Speaker 1: in the question, and quarterback is not a need for
Speaker 1: this team. They all make sense. That's why they're positions
Speaker 1: of need. That's kind of what I'm saying. But the
Speaker 1: player that you feel like would be a reach at
Speaker 1: that if he took the Michigan defensive end, I thought
Speaker 1: they would be a little questionable. A jabo, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: were talking about him in the first segment. I think so,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think that would be to me,
Speaker 1: that would be one I would kind of I would
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, let's hang on our rear here
Speaker 1: we go, you know, kind of a thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I think there's some things about him. I
Speaker 1: think there's a really raw player. I think he's only
Speaker 1: played football for a limited amount of time. It might
Speaker 1: work out great, it really might as he learns and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Sometimes I kind of feel like that
Speaker 1: you don't have this opportunity to learn and do I mean,
Speaker 1: you need to like plug these guys in and let
Speaker 1: him play and let him be good. I think there
Speaker 1: would be a lot of pressure on him. Again, I'd
Speaker 1: hate for them to force this pick at defensive end.
Speaker 1: If they all of a suddenly turned, you lose Randy
Speaker 1: or you lose Tank. Yeah, you know, and that would
Speaker 1: be the one pick at twenty four that I would
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, man, all those other guys
Speaker 1: I've kind of I kind of have an idea of
Speaker 1: what they could be. The Michigan kid could be a
Speaker 1: great player. He could end up being great, but right now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he could be great. That would
Speaker 1: be my question. With everything we said in the first segment,
Speaker 1: do you all think it's fair to say like they
Speaker 1: should have a good shot at a plug and play prospect.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, oh yeah, yeah, and so that's that's what worries, Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the thought of drafting a project guy in this spot.
Speaker 1: And he just said he doesn't have a lot of experience.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you're say, if you drafted
Speaker 1: him and you already had Tank and you also had
Speaker 1: Randy and you wanted to maybe because one was going
Speaker 1: to move on the next year, but you let this
Speaker 1: kid grow a little bit and learn. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: that would maybe that if you had time to do that.
Speaker 1: But I kind of feel like in this day and age,
Speaker 1: you got to get these plug and play guys. I agree,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I don't have time for a
Speaker 1: guy to sit and watch for you know, seven weeks,
Speaker 1: eight weeks. I needed Kelvin Joseph to play. I needed
Speaker 1: him to play, you know, and I don't you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to keep doing stuff like that, well
Speaker 1: then you know we're gonna be like, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: more questions and more questions, and then when we get
Speaker 1: to the draft, it's gonna be well, you know, they've
Speaker 1: got Kelvin Joseph. Well, did you really do anything? You know,
Speaker 1: he showed some promise. I mean, you need these guys
Speaker 1: to play, and not all of them can. But if
Speaker 1: you're drafting these guys high enough, they need to step
Speaker 1: in and play. I assumed one of y'all would have
Speaker 1: said defensive tackle. That was where I was about to say,
Speaker 1: kind of along those same lines. If it's not Leal
Speaker 1: or Jordan Davis, I'm probably not interested even a Perry
Speaker 1: On Winfrey, who I might. If they take Leale, I'll
Speaker 1: be a little nervous about that too. If you want
Speaker 1: to bring Sad, yeah, and I will have a rough
Speaker 1: next five minutes on the air. See. I don't think
Speaker 1: I hate it. I think early yeah, give or take.
Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily think it's a great thing. We've
Speaker 1: talked about Jordan Davis and like he's he's going to
Speaker 1: draw interest because he's six six three, sixth year or whatever.
Speaker 1: His measurement is a good player. Is he a first
Speaker 1: round player? Though? And I think we've talked about this,
Speaker 1: but like that that scene, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: how much I would love that at twenty Well, the
Speaker 1: problem is that's not to me. It's not a question
Speaker 1: about Jordan Davis. It's a question about positional value. How
Speaker 1: do you use. It's just a matter of is a
Speaker 1: nose tackle two down player a first round player? And
Speaker 1: that's that was kind of my point. I mean, And
Speaker 1: to me, no, like maybe a few because a lot
Speaker 1: of times I think you'll look back at this and
Speaker 1: feel really dumb about it, because a lot of times
Speaker 1: I think you convince yourself of certain things. Remember the
Speaker 1: Chiefs when they drafted Clyde Edwards Hilaire, Yeah, it was like, well,
Speaker 1: they've such a good team, you're just plopping icing on
Speaker 1: the cake. You can't do that. You're gonna look back
Speaker 1: at those picks later and be like, oh, wait, we
Speaker 1: should have picked the best player we could find, because
Speaker 1: then he would have been the best player we could
Speaker 1: find instead of, oh, you know, our team is really good,
Speaker 1: but boy, if we had a two down run stuff
Speaker 1: or let's just drop that cherry on top. I just
Speaker 1: I don't think you can think that way. I want
Speaker 1: to play Devil's advocate here because you're you're putting him
Speaker 1: in that box. And I agree with you, by the way,
Speaker 1: just so we're clear, but two down player, he's that
Speaker 1: run stuff for the middle of your defensive line. Last year,
Speaker 1: the box for Micah Parsons was. He was an off
Speaker 1: ball linebacker that every once in a while could blitz. Sure,
Speaker 1: there's something about Jordan Davis that could be that hidden
Speaker 1: thing that you look at and you could say, maybe
Speaker 1: in Quinn's system he could do something better. I actually
Speaker 1: think maybe there's other nose tackles that you can say
Speaker 1: that about. Okay, I would rather have Travis Jones, the
Speaker 1: Yukon defensive tackle, in the second round than Jordan Davis
Speaker 1: in the first, because then I'm getting a guy who
Speaker 1: is a run stopper but also has a little bit
Speaker 1: of juice in terms of rushing the passer. With Jordan
Speaker 1: k three down, Yeah, with Jordan Davis on third down,
Speaker 1: if you had him on the field, he's gonna run
Speaker 1: straight ahead. And if there's two guys there, they're all
Speaker 1: going to stand there together and have fun. And if
Speaker 1: it's one guy, he'll be working his way towards the quarterback.
Speaker 1: But you're not going to get sack production out of him.
Speaker 1: And so to me, that's not a first round player
Speaker 1: unless you're a total freakazoid like Vitavea. That was a
Speaker 1: first round player, sure, because he was Jordan Davis plus
Speaker 1: quick feet, quick hands, just a badass penetrates. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he had he had some more that was getting
Speaker 1: crushed enough in the run last year that you had
Speaker 1: to go out and get a one technique like that downy.
Speaker 1: I think they could use that help in their interior.
Speaker 1: I just I'm not convinced it needs to be a
Speaker 1: first round pick. Is it a need above other needs?
Speaker 1: Probably not, feel and I do understand the value of
Speaker 1: nothing with us. It makes your linebackers better, it does,
Speaker 1: It does a lot for your team, But do you
Speaker 1: need to invest a first round pick? And the fact
Speaker 1: that they haven't had one in a while, maybe it
Speaker 1: does say that at some point you got to use
Speaker 1: a first round pick for that. That seems like a
Speaker 1: job that could be done for less than that. That
Speaker 1: was a thing under sorry Brian, that was a thing
Speaker 1: under Rod Marinelli forever. Like we just never talked about
Speaker 1: knows tackles. So with Bohannah that you're going to tell
Speaker 1: me he was just a sixth round pick and don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. And they told you that already. He
Speaker 1: was watching Carlos Watkins play. Yeah sure, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean I'm asking the question. I just say, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you can upgrade the talent there without spending pick
Speaker 1: twenty four on it, especially since I mean somewhere between
Speaker 1: twenty four and the six he talked about absolutely, he
Speaker 1: talked about Jones from Connecticut. Matthis is that guy for
Speaker 1: me at Alabama. I mean, if you're talking about not
Speaker 1: having to spend a first round pick on a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm matthis is a perfect guy for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have him above Jones, and I respect
Speaker 1: what he's saying about Jones because there's some good tape
Speaker 1: of Jones Jones. Mathis but that's I just need a
Speaker 1: little bit more. I just need a little bit And
Speaker 1: maybe you know, is he is he such a great
Speaker 1: two down player that you just totally turn a blind
Speaker 1: eye to that. You know, you might just say he
Speaker 1: is he is a this guy is the best two
Speaker 1: down play, best defensive tackle, but he only plays two downs.
Speaker 1: Do you you just say, Okay, well that's that's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna take. Nobody's running on us and we'll just
Speaker 1: figure out the rest of what he does later. If
Speaker 1: he vetave, I'm down, He's not. Though he's no. We
Speaker 1: don't think he is, at least I don't think, right
Speaker 1: I don't think he is. Okay. I love this question
Speaker 1: from GC actually because it's easy to get in the weeds.
Speaker 1: But I think it's important to remember that people of
Speaker 1: all levels of expertise listen to this. He wants a
Speaker 1: little bit more detail on And we've talked about Tyler
Speaker 1: Linderbaum fitting a zone scheme really well, can you expound
Speaker 1: on what that means? Yeah, and a zone scheme. You
Speaker 1: picture an offensive line, right, there's two ways people are
Speaker 1: going to talk about blocking a running play. One is
Speaker 1: called gap scheme. One is called zone scheme, and a
Speaker 1: gap scheme. Ideally, you want your guys to be super
Speaker 1: strong because their job is moved that dude, that's his job.
Speaker 1: And the running back you're gonna figure it out. We're
Speaker 1: gonna move these dudes. You got him, you got him.
Speaker 1: We're gonna move them and go and you're gonna go
Speaker 1: and you're gonna figure that out. And if it is
Speaker 1: zone running, depending on which sort of But like Dave said,
Speaker 1: let's not get too far in the weeds. Essentially, your
Speaker 1: offensive line is gonna be moving on a track. We're
Speaker 1: moving this way and we're all going that way, and
Speaker 1: they will figure out based on sometimes or this way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna figure out based on as we start
Speaker 1: moving who is we're on defense. Oh, clearly us two.
Speaker 1: We're gonna block him, yea, And okay, now you've got him. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get the linebacker. And we're just we're
Speaker 1: doing that, and so it's more scripted, yes and concert Thoal,
Speaker 1: we're doing a great thing. And Linderbaum is great as
Speaker 1: a zone player because he is a outstanding athlete at center.
Speaker 1: And so you picture a play where your call is, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're running to the right, and we're a zone blocking team.
Speaker 1: So when the center snaps the ball, we are all
Speaker 1: just whoo going that way, and there is a defensive
Speaker 1: tackle to my center's right. Oh that's a tough block
Speaker 1: to make. Yeah, we're going right. I gotta get around
Speaker 1: him and snap this football while he's moving forward. Linder
Speaker 1: Bomb can do it. Yeah, that's a reach block. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the way Jeff was describing that, young scoop reach these
Speaker 1: things if you get when you get hip to hip
Speaker 1: and then you push the guard to the next level
Speaker 1: by by being hip to hip, it allows the center
Speaker 1: in this case Linden Bomb to get in front to
Speaker 1: get his head across that's what you want to do.
Speaker 1: You talk about reaching wide techniques. I think he can
Speaker 1: reach white techniques on his own. I don't think he
Speaker 1: has to always have that that that hip to hip
Speaker 1: to get to the second level. I think he's good
Speaker 1: enough to where he can snap the ball step and
Speaker 1: get his head across a wide defender and then turn
Speaker 1: to keep him sealed off from the play. And that
Speaker 1: would be the benefit. We've talked about his size, he's
Speaker 1: two nine. That is a benefit of having an undersized center.
Speaker 1: Is that athleticism exactly. Jeff mentioned that the guy Kelsey.
Speaker 1: You can watch Kelsey play at Philadelphia if you have
Speaker 1: the all twenty two from the NFL dot Com the
Speaker 1: game passed to watch Travis. I keep call him Travis
Speaker 1: Bason Kelsey play and you just watch him and you'll
Speaker 1: see some of the traits that you see in linder Bomb.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing too, is it takes a
Speaker 1: lot more footwork to a certain extent to be able
Speaker 1: to have that athleticism to move to the second level.
Speaker 1: If you're in a gap scheme, of course there's footwork
Speaker 1: involved there, but it's more power, pure strength. Not only
Speaker 1: does Linderbomb have the strength to do that and the
Speaker 1: athleticism to get outside, but he's so fundamentally sound in
Speaker 1: the way that he does it. In my opinion, he's
Speaker 1: the safest pick in terms of a interior offensive lineman
Speaker 1: in this entire draft because of the way he is
Speaker 1: so polished, he's so athletic, and he has that strength
Speaker 1: despite a little bit of a small size, to be
Speaker 1: able to get in and plug immediately into a zone
Speaker 1: blocking scheme, which by the way, is something that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do quite often. At this early stage, I think
Speaker 1: it would be him or Nakobe Dean that would make
Speaker 1: me most excited to draft. Speaking of which, got a
Speaker 1: lot of linebacker questions from people today, starting with KG
Speaker 1: who wants to know about guys who can fill a
Speaker 1: mic linebacker role specifically that you like. It's interesting because
Speaker 1: I'm Christian Harris from Alabama. That's the first name I
Speaker 1: think of. Yeah, I think when when you're talking, Christian
Speaker 1: Harris is a six two, two hundred and thirty two
Speaker 1: pound guy that I mean, he's one of those linebackers.
Speaker 1: He's always around the football. He makes a ton of
Speaker 1: tackles because he's got a burst and that ability to close.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that you can see with him
Speaker 1: is he is super physical when it comes to getting
Speaker 1: to the football and taking on blocks and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of guy you need. You need a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna play downhill. It's gonna play with his hands,
Speaker 1: is gonna finish everyone. Of his tackles is just like
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, just explosive tackles. Now, he's gonna
Speaker 1: make some mistakes. You'll see sometimes where he won't read
Speaker 1: it really really really quick. But then he's got such
Speaker 1: a burst in his Oh, I just f this thing up,
Speaker 1: and now he's running like hell to get to where
Speaker 1: he has to be. So Christian Harris would be a
Speaker 1: guy for me. If you're looking for a downhill mic linebacker,
Speaker 1: he's a perfect fit for me. On there, pretty boring.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say I agree with the name he
Speaker 1: gave you based on linebackers i've seen, because the top
Speaker 1: two guys, I think you're talking more about weakside where
Speaker 1: you'd like him clean, let him run, yeah, And Christian Harris,
Speaker 1: if it's like, hey, you're gonna have to deal with
Speaker 1: some clutter, he'd say, okay, I'll hit him you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about we talked about ten Dale too from
Speaker 1: Alabama Georgia excuse me, and you know, and we were
Speaker 1: kind of all talking about maybe he doesn't read it
Speaker 1: as quick. Jeff was mentioned about Dean and the other
Speaker 1: linebackers that are flying to get out of there, that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So I he would be a guy
Speaker 1: kind of in that next thing. But to me, the
Speaker 1: Alabama kid is clearly the best fit as far as
Speaker 1: that goes. I have Christian Harris above the guy who
Speaker 1: I'm about to mention. But have you seen Darian Beavers
Speaker 1: from and have not seen him yet? Senior Bowl guy,
Speaker 1: he does have a great name. He'd be one of
Speaker 1: those developmental types in that kind of role. He's not
Speaker 1: as downhill, he's not as good of a polished player
Speaker 1: as Harris is, but he has some of those same
Speaker 1: traits to where he does it hard. He has some
Speaker 1: solid recognition the football. IQ is certainly there, and he
Speaker 1: was one of the leaders of that Cincinnati defense that
Speaker 1: went all the way to the playoff this past year.
Speaker 1: So keep that in. I kind of yeah that to me,
Speaker 1: and that's a name I need to watch for sure. Lloyd,
Speaker 1: you know, when you go back, and you think about
Speaker 1: Lloyd from Utah. He can do it. He can absolutely
Speaker 1: do that. I mean not really a take on guy.
Speaker 1: He's more of a slip find my way around guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can do it, I tell you what. But the
Speaker 1: thing about him is though, when he's like when those
Speaker 1: mic linebackers when they see it and they go and
Speaker 1: he is that, I mean he is the guy is
Speaker 1: super super super smart. You know, you watch him play,
Speaker 1: you could tell he's the vision to see to read
Speaker 1: the blocks and then he's out of there. That's, you know,
Speaker 1: a mic linebacker. We always talk about the old school
Speaker 1: take on guys, which I think Hares is from Alabama.
Speaker 1: This guy's more of a I could take on if
Speaker 1: I have to, but I really don't want to because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see it and I'm gonna go. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where Lloyd fits in with me. Roger and
Speaker 1: we talked about him before the show. Roger wants to
Speaker 1: know about Chad Muma from Wyoming, another Senior Bowl guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: interesting timing because of what Logan Wilson did in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl the other day. Yeah, this is this true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this Muma is. I mean, when you watch the Wyoming
Speaker 1: tape and it's and I got to see him against
Speaker 1: the Boise and un LV and Kent State and people
Speaker 1: like that. He's not going to wow you with this
Speaker 1: athletic ability, but he's there's some sneakiness to his game.
Speaker 1: And I mean when you when you talk about one
Speaker 1: of the better tacklers and this, I think, I think
Speaker 1: the Michigan you know, safety Dax Hill. I think he's
Speaker 1: a really good tackler. Muma is a guy that when
Speaker 1: when he gets in the pros, he is going to
Speaker 1: be like, You're not going to see people run through
Speaker 1: him or he's gonna bounce off or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, he's a really really good guy.
Speaker 1: See him more really as an outside linebacker. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to making the play, I mean, he's gonna
Speaker 1: read those keys, he's gonna get to the ball quickly,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna tackle his guy is on the ground.
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, broken tackle another eight yard game.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't like I say, my my thing was
Speaker 1: I have seen him playing coverage and he wasn't a liability.
Speaker 1: So if you're going to tackle, play some coverage and
Speaker 1: be around the ball, I kind of feel like that's
Speaker 1: a complete linebacker type of player for me. So based
Speaker 1: off of what you're saying, and I saw him at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. I have not watched his tape yet, sure,
Speaker 1: but good run defender, solid tackler. Yeah, I mean no,
Speaker 1: I mean you know, I didn't. I didn't see as
Speaker 1: a question mark. I didn't think he was a liability
Speaker 1: at all. I just felt like that when he had
Speaker 1: the opportunity, it was basic stuff. It was drop kind
Speaker 1: of sit in a zone and then when react to
Speaker 1: what was going on, if there was a crosser, if
Speaker 1: there was a guy hooking up, he was reacting stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I had the Brandon Smith from Penn State
Speaker 1: above him as another guy. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've guys have seen Brandon Smith at all from Penn State.
Speaker 1: It is one of the guys in the draft that
Speaker 1: terrifies me the most. Yeah, when I'm watching him, I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, first things first, he's what six two
Speaker 1: sixty yeah, and so you're like, good body, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then he moves and you're like right, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: eight yeah. And then but to me, that was that
Speaker 1: was about it. He's super reckless. I mean there's my question.
Speaker 1: And it looks like he hadn't doesn't know and then
Speaker 1: and and I think, to me, but yeah, there's but
Speaker 1: there's things about him though. I mean when you watch
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, I mean there there are
Speaker 1: times where he is when he gets around the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean he gets there in such a hurry. And
Speaker 1: I'm kind of feeling like that somebody I'm not seeing
Speaker 1: Penn State's not coaching these guys up. But I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like though that he could. He could use
Speaker 1: somebody to really say, Okay, this is how you play.
Speaker 1: Because he's not afraid to throw his body around, he's
Speaker 1: not afraid to make those plays. I mean, he can
Speaker 1: cover some ground too. And that's what I'm saying. With movement,
Speaker 1: you might get the guy that's the steady steady, you know,
Speaker 1: and then this guy might be the homer and you
Speaker 1: talk about the Michigan guy being raw and you might
Speaker 1: hit hit on the big one. Brandon Smith might be
Speaker 1: the guy at six three two forty that you hit
Speaker 1: on and you're like, oh my gosh, you know he's
Speaker 1: making every single play. That's because somebody's working with the
Speaker 1: Jeff's right, man, He's got some scary trades to him
Speaker 1: as well. Have you had a chance, I know you're
Speaker 1: familiar with him, but have you had a chance to
Speaker 1: tape study our our boy, Damon Clark. I have, I have.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I mean, look, I get it. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say Brian and I are both geared up
Speaker 1: for LSU. Come on, Homers, what do you got. I'm
Speaker 1: curious for Brian's thoughts. I think that's a name that
Speaker 1: we haven't really said that I think is a very
Speaker 1: viable Day two type of guy. Well, there's another one
Speaker 1: of those mic linebackers. I just had Harris above him,
Speaker 1: and you know that there's there's a lot of violence
Speaker 1: to his game. I mean, when you really watch him play,
Speaker 1: I you know, it's it's kind of hard because it's
Speaker 1: your school and all that, and he's like, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: trying to watch the whole defense. But he shows up.
Speaker 1: He wears number eighteen. He shows up every single play,
Speaker 1: you know, when they have to have a play. He's
Speaker 1: the Texas. You can watch the Texas A and M
Speaker 1: game the last play. I mean they're trying, ain't him
Speaker 1: trying to drive? And he he makes the pressure to
Speaker 1: you know, to cause the incompletions, you know, and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Way more ability in the backfield than a
Speaker 1: guy his size should have. I think, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: to me, and I was surprised. It's six three, two
Speaker 1: forty five. He could cover pretty good because if you
Speaker 1: watch the Florida tape, he's just an interception in that
Speaker 1: game and he had to carry a receiver down the
Speaker 1: field to make it happen. So there you have it.
Speaker 1: A big guy with some toughness, some physicality, tackle ability
Speaker 1: downhill play. You could tell he was a leader of
Speaker 1: this defense, and this defense didn't have a leader, and
Speaker 1: he was the leader. You could just tell by the
Speaker 1: way he played. Where do you have him too? I
Speaker 1: have him the let's see where I have him here.
Speaker 1: I think I have him in the third round as well.
Speaker 1: Make that back I take I do have him in too. Jeff,
Speaker 1: that's a compliment Data. You're right, No, it absolutely is.
Speaker 1: All right. I'm throwing this out there. Look, I have
Speaker 1: plans for this. Yes we don't. We don't watch kickers, right,
Speaker 1: We've never really done that LSU Oklahoma, Texas. That's what
Speaker 1: I learned. Okay, So I just I'm not ignoring all
Speaker 1: of you that ask kicker questions. I do want to
Speaker 1: have a bigger conversation about this at one point, but
Speaker 1: just philosophically question from Matt, where would you start to
Speaker 1: feel comfortable drafting a kicker justin Tucker second round? It's
Speaker 1: that nepsy that never I find it get. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you do, you, I mean even give me. He's
Speaker 1: just so weird like Aguyo was what a second round
Speaker 1: pick and couldn't complete busts like what in the world
Speaker 1: like if I'm gonna I think that pick scared the
Speaker 1: entire league on kickers because he was as as sure
Speaker 1: of a thing as possible coming out of Florida State Kickers.
Speaker 1: I firmly believe drafting a guy that I probably melts
Speaker 1: his brain a little bit. I just like, for such
Speaker 1: a mental position, you can have a compete story. Five
Speaker 1: you think for Dalton, Yes, yes, maybe that's why we start.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm thinking fifth round is where the conversation starts.
Speaker 1: Right start watching tape, Ah Guy, Texas guy. There's only
Speaker 1: there's only like three you need to worry about, and
Speaker 1: everybody else the LSU guy. I got to say this
Speaker 1: about the LSU guy every time that I didn't think
Speaker 1: he was gonna make when he made one the Florida
Speaker 1: kick last year, two years in the rain, the Fogs,
Speaker 1: because they're college kickers, you always assume they're gonna miss
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what he you know, he did some
Speaker 1: really really good things. And like I've seen, like with
Speaker 1: the Texas kicker, you mean he's actually you know, these
Speaker 1: guys got some they say, the Oklahoma kid. There's an
Speaker 1: Oklahoma kid that's a pretty good. So yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to probably start. But if you told me that I
Speaker 1: had compensatory picks, you know that, like like two years ago,
Speaker 1: didn't they have a bunch of compensed story picks that
Speaker 1: they the cowboys? The cowboys they had Like there you go.
Speaker 1: I mean there's where you start thinking about, Okay, they
Speaker 1: just gave us a they just gave us a pick.
Speaker 1: Let's use it on a guy that maybe that might
Speaker 1: be that guy without giving anything away. So that I
Speaker 1: think the two names that everyone knows Cameron Dicker out
Speaker 1: of Texas, kde York out of LSU. Yeah, they're both
Speaker 1: training here. Kde York's actually from Prosper of Texas, so
Speaker 1: he's right up the road. Is he an older guy?
Speaker 1: If I'm trying to remember, Oh yeah young because our
Speaker 1: punter was old. Yeah, nobody know. Our punter was like,
Speaker 1: they're impossible to know. How could we know? Stop it? Okay,
Speaker 1: just something to consider, like we're not done with this,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna talk more. We're done. No, we're not,
Speaker 1: Oh we are. We are not done talking kickers. We
Speaker 1: are done for today. We're not done in the grand scheme.
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Show. Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: final segment of today's Draft Show, Thursday, February seventeenth. Guys,
Speaker 1: I think we covered what I wanted to cover in
Speaker 1: the first segment, so what I wanted to do with
Speaker 1: the last few minutes that we have and we were
Speaker 1: kind of doing this in Twitter on the twenty anyway,
Speaker 1: But I would just love to throw the floor to
Speaker 1: y'all and just try to get some names out there
Speaker 1: that maybe we haven't given enough publicity to. You could
Speaker 1: call it a pet cat if you want to. You
Speaker 1: could just call it a guy that you like that
Speaker 1: maybe you just want to talk about. But we'll just yeah, Brian,
Speaker 1: I'll start take the floor, sir. Yeah. I don't think
Speaker 1: he'd been in this room as seeing Kade Ott and
Speaker 1: the wide the tight end from the University of Washington
Speaker 1: yet have you looked at him, Jeff and I have not.
Speaker 1: I've seen Trey McBride, Jeremy Ruckard and Isaiah liked. Those
Speaker 1: are the three I have, and then Jake Ferguson on
Speaker 1: that list, but his next I have Otonist one of
Speaker 1: the higher ones of these guys. I think that he
Speaker 1: was banged up this year. He missed several games this season.
Speaker 1: You know, when he did get to play, I thought
Speaker 1: this guy was super productive. This guy's a weapon. They'll
Speaker 1: use him all over the formation. He's not afraid to
Speaker 1: stick his nose in there in a blocker. That's kind
Speaker 1: of where I kind of got a little excited about
Speaker 1: the guy because he's kind of a fit position. But
Speaker 1: then he gets movement with his feet because I feel
Speaker 1: like he's got that athletic ability, but he's got a
Speaker 1: little bit that snap in his hips. He's an outstanding
Speaker 1: route runner receiver. He just very well at the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean he makes things happen with the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands. You watch him tough run after catch, so
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't see one time where he misplayed
Speaker 1: a ball. Everything looked really natural for him. So Kade
Speaker 1: Otten six five, two forty, a tight end from the
Speaker 1: Washington Huskies, would be a guy I would say. Take
Speaker 1: a peek at twenty eight catches for two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty yards. That's tight end can be such a beating.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he missed, he missed, he missed several games. If
Speaker 1: you go back and watch him play some other games
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, that's where you kind of have
Speaker 1: to go because he missed some games this year, and
Speaker 1: he missed some games because he gets the COVID issues
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I kind of got on him. I
Speaker 1: just that's just the movement in the in the ability
Speaker 1: to catch the football and then and again, I mean,
Speaker 1: this wasn't just like a one shot blocker guy. This
Speaker 1: guy actually, you know, he's one of the better better
Speaker 1: tight ends I've study. You know, my favorite question, where
Speaker 1: do you have him? I have him right now in
Speaker 1: the third round, top of the third round. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I have Widemeyer as a second round tight end. Then
Speaker 1: I have Otton Rucker and McBride wireul be my third
Speaker 1: round tight ends. McBride is Colorado stayed Widemeyer's Texas and
Speaker 1: m Right records Ohio State, and his stats will be
Speaker 1: very unimpressive because they just throw their wide receivers. But
Speaker 1: he looks good. I think in college football you're either
Speaker 1: if you're a tight end, you're either catching eighty balls
Speaker 1: and winning the Mackie or you're McBride if you watch.
Speaker 1: If you watch McBride at Colorado State, he's fed. He's
Speaker 1: the most productive one, but they don't have a really
Speaker 1: good quarterback to throw the ball. The other thing about
Speaker 1: McBride that's interesting though, is he didn't have a receiving
Speaker 1: touchdown this season. He had like nine hundred yards without
Speaker 1: a receiving touchdown. And then he goes to the senior
Speaker 1: ball and he immediately catches a touchdown pass on the
Speaker 1: first drive of the game. So are one of the
Speaker 1: first drives of the game. He was hungry. He wanted
Speaker 1: that Jeffrey to show the red zone ability. What do
Speaker 1: you got, I'll just throw out a safety name, Jaquon Brisker,
Speaker 1: Penn State. I think I've said the name, but probably
Speaker 1: not spent a lot of time. I think Briskers about
Speaker 1: Brisker is probably the name that I see the most
Speaker 1: on Twitter from just curious fans that we I think
Speaker 1: we've talked about him. I don't know if we've spent
Speaker 1: a ton of time. He might fit in the range
Speaker 1: between cowboy picks for one and two. But if you
Speaker 1: moved around in the draft, or if he was available
Speaker 1: with your second round pick. I really like Jaquon Brisker's tape.
Speaker 1: I think he is a full sized dude that is
Speaker 1: pretty good at everything. I think he doesn't look like
Speaker 1: an elite athlete, but dependable tackler, good coverage guy, puts
Speaker 1: himself in the right spots. So he's I believe he's
Speaker 1: a fifth year player, which probably hurt you in the draft.
Speaker 1: So he'll probably be twenty three when he's drafted, which
Speaker 1: can hurt you in the draft. So if he's available
Speaker 1: with the second round, Brisker. But the other thing I
Speaker 1: want to bring up is because I always want to
Speaker 1: break it up as wide receiver. Are we surprised? This
Speaker 1: is my order of these guys, And if the NFL's
Speaker 1: order is way different than maybe a guy that I
Speaker 1: say earlier would be available and I would be very happy.
Speaker 1: Spend enough time on sky Moore, thank you. I'm going
Speaker 1: to ignore Garrett Wilson Trail and Bergs Jamison Williams because
Speaker 1: he's going to be a first round ish. I am
Speaker 1: looking at potential Cowboys second rounders, and I am looking
Speaker 1: at George Pickens, at Georgia who is body and it
Speaker 1: probably is cheating because of the uniform. But his body
Speaker 1: and watching him like the way he's built and the
Speaker 1: way he moves, you're gonna go, oh, I've seen that before.
Speaker 1: It's aj Green, Oh wow. Missed almost all of this
Speaker 1: year because he was hurt blew out of knee in spring.
Speaker 1: But man, he is a six two sixty three with
Speaker 1: good feet, better quickness than you would expect from a
Speaker 1: big guy like that. So George Pickens Chris Olabe, people
Speaker 1: will say wouldn't make it to the Cowboys. Second pick
Speaker 1: Dotson at Penn State either, So maybe ignore them. But
Speaker 1: I've Pickens ahead of both of them. What about Metchi?
Speaker 1: And then Metchi is my next one? John Mechi at Alabama,
Speaker 1: who is the guy that Alabama went to when they
Speaker 1: needed to play. They ain't going to Jameson Williams. They
Speaker 1: went to John Mechi, and so they're different players. Jameson
Speaker 1: Williams is more explosive down the field guy. John Mechi
Speaker 1: is more of your dependable variety of routes, catch it
Speaker 1: in traffic, whatever you gotta do to get the job done,
Speaker 1: get it done. So Mechi. Jalen Tulbert at South Alabama,
Speaker 1: who was a great deep threat for them, and I
Speaker 1: love the way he runs routes and sets up corners
Speaker 1: to set himself up to get deep. Michael Gallip replacement
Speaker 1: could be. So that's what I'm looking at, is the
Speaker 1: second round pick. If the name George Pickens, John Metchi,
Speaker 1: Jalen Tulbert or on the board, your boy is interested.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're setting me up for a scenario.
Speaker 1: I believe the Cowboys second round pick is fifty six.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're setting me up for a scenario
Speaker 1: where there's like four receivers and I want them all disappointed.
Speaker 1: Of course you're gonna want them all, but we're just well,
Speaker 1: I want to gallop in the second, so we can
Speaker 1: just wait until the third for the guy that I
Speaker 1: want to say. I just feel like we're gonna be
Speaker 1: watching it ticked down and like, oh no, Seattle took
Speaker 1: a guy at forty two, Like, oh, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a terrible twenty Minute's gonna say ten or twelve
Speaker 1: receivers being gone by your second round pick for me
Speaker 1: to not want one. Here's the thing. You're not only
Speaker 1: gonna have four receivers there that you're gonna really want.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've been as excited about a
Speaker 1: pick after the first round as I am about this
Speaker 1: draft at fifty six, because pick is my favorite every year.
Speaker 1: Really good player at fifty six. Wait real quick, I
Speaker 1: want to give you the floor real quick, Jeff. I'm
Speaker 1: curious about Pickens, the pedigree, the body type. I mean,
Speaker 1: he played at Georgia, this, that, and the other. He
Speaker 1: just strikes me as a guy that could be much
Speaker 1: more on the radar by the time it's all said
Speaker 1: and done, like, yeah, it could be, could be, and
Speaker 1: that'll be interesting because I don't think he's a burner. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a speed guy. But he is
Speaker 1: a full size, nifty hands catcher, big catch radius, good
Speaker 1: after the catch, not because he's an explosive athlete necessarily,
Speaker 1: but because everything is immediate, like when the ball is caught.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that it's not catch, turn around,
Speaker 1: where am I going? It's catch and he's already decided
Speaker 1: am I spinning in or out? And the first guy
Speaker 1: is gonna miss a bunch. Pickens is a good player.
Speaker 1: Medicals will matter, and just how does he fit in
Speaker 1: the pecking order of receivers will matter because based on
Speaker 1: other people's work that I respect. He might be the
Speaker 1: tenth or twelfth receiver taken. In my world, he would
Speaker 1: probably be one of the first five. Wow, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: I love that. What I love about you is that
Speaker 1: you're not afraid to be completely sky Moore, George Pickens,
Speaker 1: my receivers. Brian gets a piece of George Pickens. It's
Speaker 1: his guy, took. Y'all always have guys together, Kyle, give me,
Speaker 1: give me a guy or some guys. Okay, I've got one.
Speaker 1: And this is this is a scenario where either Linderbaum
Speaker 1: or Green is gone in the first round. And I
Speaker 1: had an old wise scout one time, tell me to
Speaker 1: go look at this guy. His name is Brian brought
Speaker 1: us across the tables. Just ask Kissery right there. No,
Speaker 1: he told me the first draft show. He said, go
Speaker 1: look at Donovan West out of Arizona State. And I
Speaker 1: like him a lot. Actually, I think I would take
Speaker 1: him as early as fifty six, but only if you're
Speaker 1: kind of dried up at the board there. And I
Speaker 1: just told you, I don't think that'll happen. I think
Speaker 1: he'll probably fit somewhere between the second and third round.
Speaker 1: I've got him in the second very quick. We were
Speaker 1: just talking about zone blocking schemes. He's one of those
Speaker 1: guys that's very athletic, has some strength, that power of attack.
Speaker 1: He moves very very well, and I think against PAC
Speaker 1: twelve competition, he was one of the better interior offensive
Speaker 1: lineman in the conference and continuously put up good tape.
Speaker 1: I went and I watched Arizona, which he was phenomenal
Speaker 1: in that game, and then USC, which I thought he
Speaker 1: actually played decent as well, much better in the Arizona
Speaker 1: game than the USC game. But I really liked what
Speaker 1: I saw in his tape. Yeah, he's a good player, though,
Speaker 1: I'll take you throw another guy to re course. Wide
Speaker 1: receiver Alec Pierce out of Cincinnati is another guy you
Speaker 1: need to watch. He's six threes, two hundred and eight pounds.
Speaker 1: Catch him against Notre Dame if you can. He's Caroline
Speaker 1: or SMU. I mean, this guy is again Jeff's listed.
Speaker 1: We've talked about a bunch of receivers, but if when
Speaker 1: you get down in that third round, if you don't
Speaker 1: get your second round receiver, I think this guy, Alec
Speaker 1: Pierce from Cincinnati is a really really good fit because
Speaker 1: he made a ton of plays down the field. Everything
Speaker 1: he does is down the field. He extends for the
Speaker 1: football he's got. You know, he's he'll surprise defenders with
Speaker 1: his quickness off the line. You think, because he's that tall,
Speaker 1: he's not that quick, but he's really really that's not
Speaker 1: the case at all. He could be really explosive the
Speaker 1: way he plays, and he's extremely tough. And when you're
Speaker 1: watching the quarterback for you know, for Cincinnati, you know,
Speaker 1: as you're evaluating him, you know he's throwing the ball
Speaker 1: a lot. Ridders throwing the ball a lot to Alex Pierce.
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on that kid, number twelve at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I can't tell if it's our blind like we fall
Speaker 1: in love with the receivers every year. I know, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I know why Jeff does, because it's fun. Well, we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about David Ball either too, or David David
Speaker 1: Bell Purdue. Yeah, I just you feel and there's so
Speaker 1: much we don't know. I get that, but you just
Speaker 1: feel confident that that do you think that is going
Speaker 1: to be an area of high urgency for the Collie
Speaker 1: It's just a position that you always have to evaluate
Speaker 1: for the league. You know, that mean that's for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys shirt. You know me, I try to know. I'm
Speaker 1: focused on the Cowboy and somebody on Twitter got on
Speaker 1: us because they thought one show needs to be about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and one show needs to be about just players.
Speaker 1: Should we do that? I don't. I mean your call
Speaker 1: at your show, think about it. But the thing about
Speaker 1: it is, though, the thing that I think with the
Speaker 1: wide receivers is there's such a you know, with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: if it turns into you all you've got ceedee lamb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna need Jeff's plan. Well, second round,
Speaker 1: third round, whatever, You're gonna need that plan. Maybe it
Speaker 1: maybe it won'd play. But that's what I'm saying though,
Speaker 1: I mean, if it turns in that this league is
Speaker 1: about throwing the football, it's about about receivers making big plays,
Speaker 1: about scoring, you know. I mean, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: have guys who go out there and make plays for
Speaker 1: you get our d tackle next year. Look at the
Speaker 1: final four teams that were in the playoffs this year, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Tyreek Hills in Kansas City, and then Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup and then Deebo Samuel. I mean, well, just names
Speaker 1: the one either, like since we've got multiple three good ones.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, Kansas City is two elite receiver. Reason
Speaker 1: LA won the Super Bowl was because when Odell Becka
Speaker 1: went down, when Robert Woods wasn't there all seasoned, guess what,
Speaker 1: they had multiple weapons to throw the football too. Just
Speaker 1: bums me out because the Cowboys had that. We thought that,
Speaker 1: we thought they did. We never really saw it. We
Speaker 1: never really saw I could talk about quarterbacks because I
Speaker 1: couldn't stop it. That's an issue for another day. We
Speaker 1: talked about some players today, damn it. We appreciate the
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