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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Welcome everybody to the cart. In a

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Speaker 1: bad mood, it's already in a bad move. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: let's just get right into it. Why are we in

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Speaker 1: a bad mood because your WiFi is cutting in and out.

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Speaker 1: I was supposed to be working on my anxiety. I'm

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Speaker 1: so strong my face would radiate off. And we're already

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Speaker 1: having difficulties. This is my issue. My doctor says, go

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Speaker 1: to Montana. Don't be stressed out, be chill. And I'm

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Speaker 1: fucking stressed out. And you want to know what doesn't

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Speaker 1: help this situation? Bed sheets? I need to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: How do you do this crap for a living? I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm angry, I'm rattled. It ruined my day to day.

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Speaker 1: Let's break it all down. First of all, your chandelier

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Speaker 1: looks fantastic. So that's the good news. Okay, so we

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Speaker 1: know that's working even if the WiFi comes in and out.

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Speaker 1: You have WiFi issues in Montana and I have WiFi

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Speaker 1: breather there, grab some olive jews. Why I answer some

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Speaker 1: questions for you? What's the conundrum with the sheets? The

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Speaker 1: thread count? So no, it's not the thread count. My

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Speaker 1: girlfriends who did our house and made a lovely job

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Speaker 1: on the interior design Ashley Phipps design you heard. Normally

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Speaker 1: so it's totally fine. They're not competition. We love them,

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Speaker 1: get into that part later. So any who, they give

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Speaker 1: things I need to buy, right, like the betting all

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, Chris, I buy it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what comes in a set a missing Duva's. I

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Speaker 1: sham is like what they tell me to get a standard?

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Speaker 1: A standard? What a standard sham? A standard? Pillow? I sat?

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Speaker 1: I have nothing here that works out. It's a mess,

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Speaker 1: and I get it, it's bougie, stupid ass problems. But

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Speaker 1: much fucking anxiety doing this today. I looked at you

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Speaker 1: and I said, you know what the doctor said, go

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Speaker 1: You know what I can do. Figure out a football field.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you do this for a living.

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Speaker 1: I'm worked out. Okay, I'm here to help all your problems. Okay,

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Speaker 1: are you ready for this? Just like when we started

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Speaker 1: covering hockey, we got hockey for dummies and then we

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Speaker 1: figured it out. Here's interior design for dummies. A standard

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Speaker 1: pillow case is bigger, makes sense. A euro am is

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Speaker 1: the square. It's all you need to know. Next time

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Speaker 1: you have an issue like this, please call me. I'm

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Speaker 1: here to lower your anxiety. In any capacity, whether it's WiFi, sheets,

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Speaker 1: You know what else you can appreciate this? Hi, everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Calm Down Podcast. We have an amazing

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Speaker 1: podcast for you. Welcome. Um. You know what, We have

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Speaker 1: this podcast because she deals with real life problems. Nicole Lin,

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Speaker 1: president of football Operations at Clutch Sports. She is a

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Speaker 1: like what her daily issues are, whether it's bedsheets or

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Speaker 1: including storytelling. Something I've learned from you on this podcast

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Speaker 1: back and listen to last week's episode. It was all

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Speaker 1: since we're going to lower your blood pressure because you're

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Speaker 1: learning the game because I didn't grow up loving football.

423
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Speaker 1: And so my husband's a college coach. We've been married

424
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 1: together for like eleven years, but so he helped a lot.

425
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: You know, we're like getting kids twenty one. Watching film,

426
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 1: breaking down film, I knew that I had to be

427
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 1: great and I could not get caught slipping. So step

428
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 1: one for me before even recruiting, before doing anything, was

429
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: can I be the best at this because when I'm

430
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: in meetings, even now after I've been an agent and

431
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 1: been in the business for a while, I still get

432
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: questioned by clearers and dads, do you know the game?

433
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: Do you know this defense? And so I just made

434
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 1: it my mission to never be in a situation where

435
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know something. So I worked on that before

436
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: I even get certified. How like, how do you work

437
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,439
Speaker 1: on being great? Like what do you do? Because I

438
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 1: know me, like, I feel like I have to read

439
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: every little thing that comes my way about the game,

440
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like crazy about it, But what do you do?

441
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean similar? So my first thing was learning the game.

442
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: But I think there's two parts. There's the game and

443
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,439
Speaker 1: there's the business. So for me, it wasn't it was

444
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: like I need to learn the game, and so I

445
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: would break it down, Like for a year, I just

446
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 1: focused on defense. And my husband was a football player

447
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: who played corner, and so we would just talk about

448
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: defense and it's like, okay, let's talk about dbs for

449
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 1: four months and breaking down a dB, understanding what players

450
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 1: fit in that position and why they're good, not just

451
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: the game that the player, and then like you said,

452
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: reading books, watching videos, and then I had agents, and

453
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: I had a couple agents I had met along the way,

454
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: and so I asked him questions, just really, any of

455
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 1: my free time football all in football. Once I learned

456
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: the game, that I moved to the business. And it's

457
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 1: it's funny because I don't think you have to know

458
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 1: the game to be agent. Like really, well, I don't

459
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: think you have to understand the difference between a four

460
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: three and three four detents. So when you're a black

461
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: woman and you're twenty six, I'm told I wasn't I

462
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 1: signed my first client, you better know everything. Unfortunately, you

463
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: better know everything I didn't have. I didn't get that.

464
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: You know, FREEB card? Yeah, I think Aaron and I

465
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: can understand that. Where I I still to this day,

466
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: thirteen years into this gig, I get asked, do you

467
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: even like football? Do you write your own stuff? Come on? Man? Like,

468
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, all right, here we go amateur hour

469
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: for them, um, but whatever. So we can all share

470
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: that same sentiment of having to prove ourselves. But like

471
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: I say, I don't know how you feel. But when

472
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: people say, like, oh, what's it like being a woman

473
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: in this industry? I feel like being a woman got

474
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: me through the door because there are less of us

475
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: that want to do this job or your job, Nicole.

476
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: But you stay there if you know what you're talking about,

477
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: and that door closes a lot quicker if you don't

478
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,479
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. So for you, you know,

479
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: your story is incredible, from childhood poverty to a Wall

480
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: Street executive to this incredible sports agent. Can you take

481
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: us back to the very beginning of how you grew up,

482
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: as you like to say, in the hood and what

483
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: was it about that experience that now gives you that

484
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: perspective on the other side to help your current clients. Yeah,

485
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: I think it's just the way that I grew up.

486
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm able to relate on a different level than many agents,

487
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: you know. I'm I have a lot of stories and

488
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: circumstances from my childhood that most people wouldn't believe if

489
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: I told them, And funny enough, many of my clients

490
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: have the same ones, and so I can recognize some

491
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: of the challenges that a lot of my clients have,

492
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, a family dynamic or you know,

493
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, having to send money back to extended family

494
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: or whatever that may look like. I also, personally, I

495
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: like to represent players that love the game right, really

496
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: love the game, that will give a hundred and in

497
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: anything they do, because that's similar to me. Right, when

498
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: you grow up with nothing, you have a different level

499
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: of grit. It's like you can't fail. There's no plan

500
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: B for me, and I love representing guys that still

501
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: the exact same way. There's no plan B. I've got

502
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: to make it. I'm going to give every single thing

503
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: that I can. I love that because I We've said

504
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: this many times. There was no plan B for me.

505
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 1: I just this is what I was going to do,

506
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: and everybody always said, well, what were you going to

507
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: do if this didn't work out? I was like, no, no,

508
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: this was going to work out. Like I just I

509
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: had no other you know choice, so and not not

510
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: that it was I didn't have any other mindset. So

511
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: we talked about the hurdles in terms of what am

512
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: I wearing? People think you're a girlfriend, the red lipstick debate, which,

513
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: by the way, guys side note, why the fund do

514
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: we care? Like? But who is telling us this stuff?

515
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: Why do we care so much? Give us some of

516
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: your biggest hurdles besides obviously what we can relate to

517
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: UM along the way that you look back maybe now

518
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: and go give me a break, you know, I wish

519
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: I could look back on some of them. Some of

520
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: them are still hurtles now, like one. In order to

521
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: be a good agent, you've got to have relationships with

522
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: general managers. That's who we do deals with. And typically

523
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: the way you do that is you take them out

524
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: to drinks at the combine, take them out to dinner,

525
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: you're up late at night at the bar, a very

526
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: specific bar that all the agents go to. I can't

527
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: do a lot of that, right, and so I had

528
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: to create my own rules, and so I have my

529
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: own little rules as an agent. It's like I do coffee.

530
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: It's always a coffee. It's always at a Starbucks. It's

531
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: always at certain tables. Because perception is everything. My pure

532
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: agents that are men, they don't have to think about

533
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: even my text messages, like phone calls. It's all got

534
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: to be really careful, and it sucks. I mean it's

535
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: getting a bit easier as I now have a reputation

536
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: and I tell women, I'm like, your reputation, build it,

537
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: make sure it's strong, because you want it to procede,

538
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: you right, You want people to know before you walk

539
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: in the room who you are and what you're about,

540
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: and so I think I have finally built that up.

541
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: But early on it was tough who helped you, Nicole

542
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: along the way, because you had this amazing quote on

543
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: your Instagram, like how just a couple of days ago

544
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: about look back and help the people that are looking

545
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: up to you, because at one point that was you,

546
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: and make sure that we don't forget those individuals that

547
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: want to walk, especially for you, as being whenever you're

548
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: the first to do something, there's a responsibility that comes

549
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: with that. There is who helped you. I had a mentor.

550
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: It was actually a man, So it wasn't you know,

551
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't a woman because there's not It's not because

552
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: there wasn't one that wanted to help me. But there's

553
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: not a lot of options, and the few women can't

554
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: mentor everybody. That's what I say. Now that I'm in

555
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: this role, it's like, oh, there's such a it feels

556
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: like a requirement that you have to mentor every woman

557
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: under you. And that's tough, right, that's a big burden

558
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: to carry. But it was a man named Ken Sarnov,

559
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: who's actually still an agent. Really phenomenal agent was a

560
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: mentor for me before I got certified up until you know,

561
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: even now, if I already anything, I still reach out

562
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: to him. And you know, I talk about mentorship and

563
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: sponsors and my new book. The big thing is adding value.

564
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: So I still added value to him, right, I had

565
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: connections to players, and so it was an equal exchange,

566
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: you know. And so a lot of times people feel

567
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: like mentors to do it out of the kindness of

568
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: their hearts. We wish that that's how the world worked,

569
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not always like that. And so

570
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: I made sure to always think how can I add

571
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: value to his life so that you know, and we're

572
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 1: way past that now he'd do anything for me, but

573
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: early on he doesn't know me, So what can I

574
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: do for him? What was the first moment, I mean

575
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: everybody kind of we were talking to our dads about

576
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: this for Father's Day. What was the moment that I

577
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: was like, ship, this is happening. I mean, we we

578
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: knew what was going to happen. I think all three

579
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: of us knew what was going to happen, But like

580
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: the moment that you're like, it's happenings, What was the

581
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: moment that you're like, it's happening. You know, it's funny.

582
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: This is a very weird moment. It was like the

583
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: first time I flew first class. I'm gonna keep it

584
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: Realiyah in first class right now, Like there was so

585
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: much impostor syndrome because I kind of felt like people

586
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: were looking like, does she get upgraded? You know, I

587
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: didn't get upgraded. So I've had big moments being at

588
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: the NFL draft, being on the red carpet of sps,

589
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: but something about flying first class, it's just really I'm

590
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: obsessed with the fact that you just said that because

591
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: two things. The first ever time my Rockies job, I

592
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: worked to the Colorado Rockies and I got an itinerary

593
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: from the station and they sent it to me in

594
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: my email and I was like, oh my god, I've

595
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: got a flight itinerary. Like I was so I mean

596
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: this when I was still in thirty four B but

597
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: I was so happy to have a slide itinerary. And

598
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: the other one was when I didn't have to put

599
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: my credit card down but for incidentals, I was like,

600
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: it's on the company and I didn't have to pay

601
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: for them. I was so excited, so it's it's funny

602
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: how like those little things stand out. But um, you

603
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: mentioned your book first of all, huge congratulations I made.

604
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean buys a picture book, yours

605
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: is a real book called Agent. You show up, do

606
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: the work, and succeed on your own terms. I I

607
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: try to live by all of those rules every single day.

608
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: I love this title. Where did it come from? And

609
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: how does it encapsulate who you are and what you're

610
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: doing for your clients? You know, agent? You being your

611
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: own agent? You know. I talked about this in the book,

612
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: and I tell the reader, imagine if you had someone

613
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: like me, someone that is trained to negotiate deals, to

614
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: advocate for my players, someone doing that for you in

615
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: your day to day life, and then envisioned now that

616
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: that person is you. And so I tried to instill,

617
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, that level of grid and just confidence into

618
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: the reader. And you look at the subtitle and that

619
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: last part, you know, succeed on your own terms. For me,

620
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: it was so important when I got into this business

621
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: that I did not blend in right, that I was

622
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: able to be successful and comfortable in my own skin,

623
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: be my authentic self. There's so many different ways to

624
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: be successful, and I didn't want to follow kind of

625
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: the normal trajectory. And so it's important, you know, it's

626
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: important to finding your own definition of success and then

627
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: achieving and what makes sense for you. It's so interesting

628
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: because I Chris and knows I write it all down,

629
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: but I don't blend in. And I think the three

630
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: of us obviously for certain reasons, we don't blend in.

631
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: But yet if we want to have an open moment,

632
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: we are worried about it as well, you know. I

633
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: mean I I go downstairs when we go to a

634
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: game fifteen minutes early before we're supposed to be down

635
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: there to beat Joe and Troy, so I'm not late,

636
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: and they don't say, oh, she's probably doing her hair,

637
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: which they would never say, by the way, but I

638
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: just ingrained in my head. I don't want to. I

639
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: don't let the boys carry my suitcase because you know what,

640
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: it is heavy, because I have ten outfits in there,

641
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: because I don't know what the weather is going to

642
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: be or if my BRA's gonna look right with the top,

643
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: so you know what, there's a lot in there. But

644
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear, oh, she's got a lot

645
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: of outfits. But it's so funny. Don't blend in. But

646
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: a lot of times we want to blend in because

647
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: we don't want to make a rock kiss. But like,

648
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: let's make a second book Nicole, and fine, well we'll

649
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: contribute to why do we want to blend in? But

650
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 1: we don't go, oh my gosh, I mean that is

651
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: so good. I mean, I'm fighting with myself right now.

652
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: It's a daily exactly who I am. You're not going

653
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: to tell me what to do, and the next thing,

654
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, not the red lipstick, right, So

655
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: you're right, You're totally right. I don't know. I mean,

656
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: it's the hard part I think with our industry is

657
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people that look like us,

658
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: and so you're less comfortable because you only want they're

659
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: with the heels on at the red lipstick. The more

660
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: people that look like us, the more women that are

661
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: in the room, it becomes natural, you know, we can

662
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: become more comfortable because we're not in the minority. Or

663
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: there are times that we just say, you know what,

664
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't care what you write about me in a newspaper,

665
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: Like you're just angry with your life right now, Like

666
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: so what this is just the way it is. Um,

667
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: Constance Marini Schwartz, Hello, Um always kind of says with

668
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: her and straight hand, let's be disruptors. And I kind

669
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: of love that to go along with your book. My

670
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: dad and I were talking today about agents. UM, don't

671
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: be afraid if you wrot me. We were just talking.

672
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: My dad was saying, no one is as worried about

673
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: your career as you are in terms of like you've

674
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: got to look out for yourself. And I can't wait

675
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: to read your book because I feel like you'll probably

676
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, representing yourself. Are there some cliff notes that

677
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: you could give about the things that you talk about

678
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: about representing yourself or maybe some keys for people? Absolutely?

679
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean one of the big things I talked about

680
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: in the book is how to build out your own brand.

681
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, I think people attribute brands to influencers or

682
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: big companies, but I believe every single human as a brand,

683
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: a lawyer, a doctorate agent, whatever that may look like.

684
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: And how to do that, what does that look like?

685
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: It's deciding the pillars of your brand and making sure

686
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: that every single thing you do aligns with those pillars.

687
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: You know. I also talk about in the book getting

688
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Comfortable with losing. I lose so much in my agent career.

689
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: You know, I may every year recruit thirty players and

690
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: get to and I had to very early on get

691
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: comfortable with losing, knowing it's going to happen, and learning

692
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: how to deal with it, like preparing my mind it's happening.

693
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: It's going to happen every year, every time, and so

694
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: how am I gonna bounce back from that? And then

695
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of lastly, and there's a bunch

696
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: of other topics in the book, but the impostor syndrome,

697
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it is just so tough. I deal with

698
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: it every single day still to this day. No matter

699
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: the level of success that I have, there's still this

700
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: little voice in the back of my head that's like,

701
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: are you really good enough? You know? Are they are

702
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: they going to respect you? I mean, it's sad and

703
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: so just how to be overcome that imposter syndrome. Maybe

704
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: that's good though, that you still have that, because it

705
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: keeps making you want to work harder. I know that

706
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit of that, and I'm like, no,

707
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: that's that's the part of you that's still that Brady

708
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: mentality like, hey, I got two more fingers without rings

709
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: on them. I'm gonna go ahead and get those because

710
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: I want every You know I I I think that

711
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: there's some motivation in that. But Nicole, I know that

712
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: Aaron and I get asked this question. You want a

713
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: completely different level, in a completely different position. How does

714
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: someone get started if they want to be the next

715
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: Nicole Lyn? How do they start? I think choose a

716
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: sport number one. So if you're going to be an agent,

717
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: you want to specialize in the sport, at least at

718
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: the beginning. You don't see a lot of agents that

719
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: are doing multiple sports, so get all in with one sport.

720
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: If you want to be an NFL agent, you've got

721
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: to have a postgraduate degree. Figure out what that's going

722
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: to be. You have to have that, so it's a

723
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: master's or it's a law degree. Make that decision early on.

724
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: Then you have to sit for the agent exam. It's

725
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: only offered once a year. Don't miss the deadline. I

726
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: think the deadlines like in January, but the test isn't

727
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: until July. Don't miss the deadline. Find players right, Find

728
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: players that you believe in that other agents don't see

729
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: D three players, D two players, somebody that can make

730
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: a team that maybe a big time agent has missed

731
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: out on. And build your your clientele that way. Slow build.

732
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I had so many undrafted guys in the

733
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: beginning of my career, and that's okay. You know, every

734
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: guy you represent a first rounder, so that's kind of

735
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: the first steps. And then build out your brand. Make

736
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: connections if you're a junior agent, make connections with scouts.

737
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: Don't worry about gams. Those scouts eventually will be general managers.

738
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: Make authentic connections with people that are at your level

739
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: in the s work, and then grow together. Now I'm

740
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: at the point where I've got people they're becoming directors

741
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: and general managers that they were low level scouts. When

742
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: I started, I was just thinking of I mean, this

743
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: is probably horrible because this is the industry working. But

744
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: I was like, if I'm a mom right now and

745
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm sitting with you, I'm not. I'm obsessed with Nick Saban,

746
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: even though I went to the University of Florida and

747
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a note he wrote me, fine, humble

748
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: brag you know, uh, daddy wrote me, and I was

749
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: thinking about when he goes into living rooms and charming

750
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: mamas and daddy's and all that and being like, come

751
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: raise my kid even though I'm gonna give him my

752
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: firstborn whenever that may happen. If I'm a mom and

753
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: you're sitting in our living room, I'm like, take my child.

754
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: Because there are so many slimy agents. I'll just say it.

755
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean, why am I thinking of Jerry McGuire, But like,

756
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: if I'm a mom, I'm giving you my kid, I'm like, no,

757
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: that's how you're signing, Like I'm dying to what the

758
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: moms are saying when you're in there. I mean, moms

759
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: are very I just I think moms. I think women

760
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: generally like mom's sisters on so many of them have

761
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: given me a seat at the table on behalf of

762
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: their son or their brother that where maybe I wouldn't have.

763
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: And so moms are amazing. But it's more than them

764
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: just connecting with me but giving me a shot, you know,

765
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: I tell aunt. At the time, I'm like, oh, thank

766
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: you for even thinking of me. And so yeah, I

767
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: connect great with moms. I'm amazing with moms. If you're

768
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: listening to your mom, so I probably like I want

769
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: you to take care my son. And I say this

770
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: lovingly because my husband is an agent, so I can

771
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: say this. Sometimes you don't want to send your young

772
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: child off with a grown man because who knows what

773
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna get, So they want your supervision as a

774
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: strong woman. Again, I say this because my husband's an agent.

775
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: It takes a strong individual to be on the other

776
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: side of us. Jared Aaron's husbands a very strong man.

777
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: Your husband has to be a strong man because I

778
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: know that phone has some phone numbers in there that

779
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: any other man would be very intimidated of. How does

780
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: that dynamic work in your household? And how do you

781
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: make it work? Yeah? Tell us what is the secret?

782
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: So my husband's in sports. He's a college coach, college

783
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: football coach, and so we've done sports together forever. You know,

784
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: people always say, like, what's the biggest piece of advice

785
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: you can give me? If I could pick one piece

786
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: of advice, it's marry the right person. I would not

787
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: be where I am at all without my husband. And

788
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: it's not just about you know, support, but it's understanding

789
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: the industry that you talk about phone numbers. Forget that

790
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: dinner with multimillionaire yeah, or and so it's just like

791
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: someone that's confident, but someone that gets it. Maybe I'm

792
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: not a successful one if I married the engineer or

793
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: the accountant and so I got lucky and we've got

794
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: married very early on, before I ever had a client.

795
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: You know, he taught me everything I know about football,

796
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: so I owe him my life's critical, Like, don't let

797
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: me get anything wrong, chill. I didn't play like I

798
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: can know what the best piece of advice maybe he's

799
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: given you, not only as your husband, but obviously somebody

800
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: with a sports background. Um. I mean, one thing he'll

801
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: always tell me is like not to talk about things

802
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. So sometimes early on I would try

803
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: to like throw out certain terms because it sounded like

804
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: I knew football more before I really knew. And he's like,

805
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: stop doing that. You're gonna get Don't throw out terms

806
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: you don't know. Say the normal. You know, if you're

807
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: talking about cornerbacks, say corner. You don't have to say

808
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: lump and run corners to try to sound cool. If

809
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: you don't know what bump and run is, I don't

810
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: say it. So he would always get on to me,

811
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: and I remember early on, I'd be like what can

812
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: I text this guy to like show him my note,

813
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: give me some like one liners. And he's like no,

814
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: because if you get caught in the meeting me, you

815
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. Now I know, but

816
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: early on I didn't, and I'd be reading Okay, got it,

817
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: got it, Okay, that's amazing. I actually remember when girlfriends

818
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: used to be on dates and they're like, text me

819
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: some fun facts about like sports so I can sound cooler,

820
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, the Big Three And at the

821
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: time I was talking about the Celtics Big Three, and

822
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: then she said Lebron. I'm like, no, that's a different

823
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: big that was two sets. Anyways, I grew up in

824
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, the sports household. There's a lot of women

825
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: men that had the family that watched every Sunday and

826
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: you knew it your whole life. That was not me.

827
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: So I was learning from scratch. If you could go

828
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: back and tell Nicole the you know you're you're getting

829
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: your law degree the the younger mid twenties, Nicole, I mean,

830
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: you signed your first clime when you were red twenties,

831
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: So let's go back even further, because you're the exception

832
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: to the rule. Let's say twenty one year old Nicole,

833
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: what are you telling yourself that there's a difference between

834
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: hard work and overworking yourself? Like working hard and overwork.

835
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: And I've so many years conflated that. You know, I

836
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: appreciate that I'm a hard worker, but I think that

837
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: there were boundaries that I really I should have been

838
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: better at. Yeah, you know, just self care generally. I

839
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: know that that's like the hot topic, but for me,

840
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: it was completely non existent. You know, I worked two

841
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: jobs for six years. I was a full time civil

842
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: litigator at UM the number three sized law firm in

843
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: the world up until six weeks ago, while also being

844
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: an NFL agent. Those jobs never they were they were

845
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: never the same thing. They did, had nothing to do

846
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Speaker 1: with each other. Ones like securities for out litigation and

847
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: the NFL agent. And I did that forever, you know,

848
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: and it was terrible. It took a toll on my health,

849
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Speaker 1: my mental health. Like I just I remember literally almost

850
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Speaker 1: having like a nervous breakdown and being like I am not,

851
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: like why am I doing this? And so I wish

852
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: I could have early on been like I'm going to

853
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Speaker 1: protect my peace, I'm going to protect myself. You know,

854
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: I just give, give, give, and never thought about me,

855
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm about to have a breakdown and

856
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: then no one's gonna have agent Nicolin. Are you listening

857
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: Aaron Andrews down there? Well, I was just gonna say

858
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Speaker 1: I am because I literally needed to hear that. I

859
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: just had like pretty much a breakdown last month, and

860
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: I've been very vocal about it and I but you

861
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: know what, I it's because not only that I I

862
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: have overworked myself, but I'm grateful for my life, my job,

863
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: but I never handled my feelings about things the way

864
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: I should have. I refused to cry. I've been on

865
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Speaker 1: a trial stand and broke out in a heat rash

866
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: because I refused to show it on my face. But yeah,

867
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Speaker 1: now I'm learning you have to take care of yourself

868
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: because if you don't, it's just you are going to

869
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: have a nervous breakdown. I'm so glad you realized it

870
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Speaker 1: at this age that you are, because I know I'm

871
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: a lot older, but that's amazing. So what are you reading?

872
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Who are you meditating? To tell

873
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: me everything? I want? The skin care? Yeah, it's so

874
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: weird because like I've only been six weeks not practicing law,

875
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: and it's I'm like, what do I do with my

876
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: free time right now? I guess I could watch new shows.

877
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: And I'm reading Michelle William's book Checking in which happens

878
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: to do. She's from Bessie's Child, talks about depression and anxiety,

879
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: and so that's been great. I'm listening to Beyonce because clearly,

880
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: why wouldn't I just moved into a new house, so

881
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: packing and live in that life. But I'm trying to

882
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: figure out what does a system look like, like a

883
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: morning routine, Like that's my goals, Like what does my

884
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: routine look like? What is what is something I'm gonna

885
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: do every single day? And I'm not a morning person,

886
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to become one. I'll let you know

887
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: how that goes. Can I tell you guys something before coffee?

888
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: What I'm doing now besides a little shot of olive

889
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: oil because that's a whole part of my healer that

890
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: I saw. Yeah, it's it helps cut down like cholesterol.

891
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be great for your insides. Like obviously,

892
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I'll send you a whole thing about it.

893
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: But um, my other thing is whether it's nighttime when

894
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to calm down or when I'm waking up

895
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: in the morning, I am trying to do a ten

896
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: minute meditation. Yes, I do find myself, you know, sitting

897
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: there goings crisy back from Mexico. Yet crap, when am

898
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: I packing for Montana? There are But you have to

899
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: say to yourself, Okay, that needs to leave my thought

900
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: process now, because this is the time that I have

901
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: to settle in. On the day. I did a happiness

902
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: one yesterday, I'm going to do a piece one tonight

903
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: because you guys, the way the three of us are wired,

904
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: it's like, holy crap, who's playing today? I've got to

905
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: catch up on that game last night? How did he

906
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: do last week in the game? You know, I am

907
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: I supposed to meet him this week for coffee. You know,

908
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: let's get John Lynch on the line to talk about

909
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: a new deal. By the way, I hope he's a

910
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: dream to work with because he's our former colleague and

911
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: we amazing the best anyway, Just guys, meditations, I feel

912
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: like it's the thing not to get all Aaron Rodgers

913
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 1: on everyone. But I do think I think my even

914
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: with like self care or meditation. It's like I almost

915
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: have this guilt, so like if I'm getting a massage

916
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: or something, I have a guilt of wasting time. And

917
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: so honestly, actually, in my book, I talk about a

918
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: concept that I created of just this process of existing,

919
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: teaching myself to be comfortable with existing, which is pretty

920
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: much me being able to sit for five minutes. And

921
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: I think Bernick Brown calls it white space, and some

922
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: other people call it time. How great is she, by

923
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: the way, like literally life changing? Her Ted Talk like

924
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: changed my entire world. I'm gonna send it to Renee

925
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: Brown's Ted Talk. I mean I have yeah, back off, guys,

926
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: I have. She was meditating while we were watching the

927
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: Ted Talk. We'll switch places next time. Our vulnerability read

928
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: that books so good. I could have saved so much

929
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: money in therapy by that. This is the whole Ted

930
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 1: Talk for six hours. It's phenomenal, it's life changing. So yeah,

931
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: Renee Brown is everything, like your book is everything. Yeah,

932
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: it's called agent. You show up, do the work, and

933
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: succeed on your own terms. There's so much good stuff

934
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: that everyone can extrapolate from that. Nicole, thank you. I

935
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: know Aaron has another question before I let you go,

936
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: but just in some rate from my last question would

937
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: be this. My father has this expression. Those who failed

938
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: to reach their goals failed to set them. Do you

939
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: have goals of what you want to do next? And

940
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: if they're personal, you don't have to share it, But

941
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: do you have that wish list for yourself the same

942
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: way that you would for your client to get to

943
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: this level, to win m v P, to get this endorsement?

944
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: Do you have your own wish list? My wish list

945
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: is to be able to show women that you can

946
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: have it all. I don't have kids, have been married

947
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: for nine years. That's my choice. And it's like one

948
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: of those things where I haven't seen any I don't

949
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: know a single woman agent with kids. That they're probably

950
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: out there, but I don't know any. I don't see

951
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: what it looks like, and I think I have built

952
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: this vision in my head that it's not possible. You

953
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 1: can't have the family, you can't be the amazing wife

954
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: and the bomb supports agent and the lawyer. My goal

955
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: is how can I have it all? What does that

956
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: balance look like? And then I want to be able

957
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: to show the world show women behind me. If that's

958
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: what you want, you can do it. So that's my

959
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: next couple of years goal. My immediate goal is to

960
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: start the Keto diet next week. I'm not mad at that.

961
00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: So that you can't have it all, Yes, you can,

962
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: as long as it's keto. You can have it all.

963
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: And I love the women that tell you that you can.

964
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: Candice Nelson's told me that. I feel like I've read

965
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: from Bobby Brown, you can have it all. The one

966
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: thing I want to have from you, and it's our

967
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: final thing before we let you go. We like to

968
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: do a calm Down Award, or we make our guests

969
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: give out a calm Down Award. I think one of

970
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: our best ones were Kevin Hart just telling everybody to

971
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: chill out, not take things so serious. Brian bum Garner

972
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: telling people on flights to sit the hell down and

973
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: tell their row it was so good. Do you just

974
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: in general have a calm Down Award to people or

975
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: someone you want to give it to? Oh my gosh,

976
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: I wish I would have thought about this in advance.

977
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: The plain one is so good, so good, so good,

978
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: it's so true. I was on a flight from Mexico

979
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: the other day and this woman, she like people are

980
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: standing in the row. She took down like the compartment

981
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: and took her suitcase out and had it on somebody's

982
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: shoulder and she's like excuse me, and I'm like, wait

983
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: till that person moves you, asshole. What are you thinking? Like,

984
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: where are you going? Where? Where are you going? I

985
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: think mine? I mean, it's stupid, but it's like, calm down.

986
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: To the people that speed up to the red light,

987
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: it's like, you have to stop. So there's no point,

988
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 1: including my husband, you don't need to hang up. There's

989
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: a red light in front of us. Slow the heck

990
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: down because you're not going to go any faster than

991
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: anybody else. Okay, I actually love you just I was

992
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: just thinking about that, that the people that like honk

993
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: because you're not going fast enough, but like, there's nowhere

994
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: to go. There's a red light. That's amazing. It's so good.

995
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: There are no red lights for you now on a

996
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: full go until you say stop. You're in control of

997
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: your life. You've done an incredible job and what an

998
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: amazing path you have blazed for the women that will

999
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: come after you. Like I said before, being the first

1000
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: at anything is a huge responsibility and you make it

1001
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: look easy. Thank you so much, Nicole, and make sure

1002
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: you guys get her book agent you. Thank you for

1003
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: your time. We appreciate it. And she's our new best friend.

1004
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: So there's that, like, this has been the best interview.

1005
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: I have to come back, like, please do it again.

1006
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: Let's go on the road together. Let's bring us on

1007
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: the road and charge people going on. Use some updates.

1008
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: Next time you see me, I'm gonna be very fit.

1009
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: You already are topping. You look amazing. Thank you so much,

1010
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: thank you. Calm Down with Aaron and Carissa is a

1011
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast,

1013
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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcast